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The American Craftsman Podcast Ep. 49 | Back With A Vengeance
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On Episode 49 of The American Craftsman Podcast, hosted by Greene Street Joinery, we return from our very first week away from the podcast.
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Podcast Hiatus and Episode Intro
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Well, no time like the present. Back after a hiatus. Is it considered a two-week hiatus or a one-week hiatus? Well, we didn't do it last week.
00:01:32
Speaker
Well, it'll be two weeks since somebody's hardest. So that's kind of like, uh, I guess typically we work on a one week hiatus and we're going to two week. I moved this stuff cause I knocked it over. I just knocked it over again. That's like biannually. Does that mean twice a year or is that every two years? Hmm. Hmm. I think semi-annually means twice a year.
00:02:00
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I don't know. Well, it doesn't take much to digress around. Welcome to episode 49 of the American guys. This is not 50, right? No. Okay. Would have been 50 if we would have had a week. There was no way to make it back last week.
00:02:17
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We had too much going on. It's definitely a challenge to carve out this couple hours every week. And we were working out of the area. That didn't help.
00:02:32
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Yep. It's hard sometimes to schedule installs and stuff around the podcast schedule. I mean, we went almost an entire year without missing it. So yeah, that's pretty good. Pretty good. Yeah. Better, better attendance than most people have at work.
First Annual Meetup Recap
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And this is the first podcast since our first annual meetup. Yeah. We actually, we have a question in regards to that.
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Oh, I can hardly wait to read that one here. See, I let it come as a surprise.
Beer of the Week: Slush Punch
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It's more of a it's kind of a question more of a statement than a statement. Yeah. Well, Rob just got one hundred and fifty screw eyes with bulk cutters. So we're going to get into the beer of the week. I'm going to see. We have a new camera angle this week. We're shooting B roll B roll plus. That's right. So let's see.
00:03:25
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Yeah, baby. All right. It's called. So let me go ahead and I'm working out the kinks here on this. Switching operation, camera switching. We're going to switch over and. I'll show you what we got. This is called slush punch, imperial sour ale.
00:03:54
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This is by Lone Pine Brewing Company in Portland, Maine. It's an imperial sour ale with cherry, orange, pineapple, lemon, and lactose. Unfiltered, unpasteurized, because all good things are wild and free. I like that. Keep refrigerated. Craft beers are better fresh. Live yeast may settle. Don't be trashy. Please drink responsibly.
00:04:19
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I like that too, you know, next to the recycle thing it says don't be trashy. Let me see if I can switch this over and get... I'm gonna have to find maybe a better camera angle because this is not ideal. Smells pretty good. It had a nice pop to it. Smells good.
00:04:53
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Mmm interesting color. It's like yeah orange. Yeah. Well, it says it has that orange peel, right? Yeah, orange pineapple lemon Yeah, I don't know if those are juices sherry All right, switch this camera back What I'd like is one of those super
00:05:11
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overhead shots. I actually, I had this thing attached to that homosote there, but it wasn't really working. I was messing around with this at like six o'clock this morning. Not five. Flush punch. Oh, wait. There. Yeah. Let's toast this bad boy up. Cheers to you. Cheers to you out there.
00:05:42
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Mmm damn Wow, that's really fruity that's like one of the most as advertised beer. Yeah, I think I've ever had That's seven and a half percent alcohol, too Wow, yeah Yeah, usually with all those ingredients you don't taste them that tastes like fruit punch like almost like Hawaiian punch, but not sweet
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Yeah, I mean, I think they pulled it off. Well, we'll talk about that later. Yeah. You know, a lot of times these beers like. I'm not going to lie, the other one that I bought, I had one like last week. And that's why we're having this one today. Well, yeah, I was like, I already had that. I just you know, they it says one thing on the can and you're like expecting it to taste like something and it never tastes that way. This tastes exactly like
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Like it was billed. Damn, that's refreshing.
Tech Talk: Logitech MX Ergo Mouse
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Less sour than I was expecting. Yeah, it's got a good amount of tartness but not the puckering.
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Not like that vinegar sour that you get a lot of times, and that fermentation causes that sort of vinegar kind of flavor. Anyway, we've got two of the week. As usual, I forgot the two of the week, so I had to come up with something last minute inside my house. It's a little unorthodox. I know some of you are going to be unhappy. Oh, not me.
00:07:21
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Yeah, you're a new owner of one of these. I am. I need a spot for my goddamn paper if I'm going to be doing this camera switching. This is a Logitech MX ergo trackball mouse.
00:07:40
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Yeah, this camera's in a bad spot. So if you do any kind of design work on the computer, you know what it's like to sit there with a mouse for three hours, four hours, and you can get fatigued and you get uncomfortable because you're in the same position. The nice thing about these trackball mouses are instead of moving the mouse around, you actually move this ball around. Yeah.
00:08:08
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Spreadsheets and and word stuff. It's I find even clicking around the internet The cool thing about this is you can sort of throw this ball Yeah, and you can throw the cursor from this corner down to the opposite corner. I mean, it's it's nice So this has a base a magnetic base that goes in two positions one that's kind of flat and one that's a little more At an angle so you're it's a more natural
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Position for your wrist then sort of this this what I call that's pretty pronation The pronation supination I think that's pronation. Yeah, I think it sounds right You know it has aside from the scroll ball has You know your left and right click Has two settings so you can program the mouse into to be two different layouts
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has a scroll wheel that has down left and right buttons, has two auxiliary buttons, which you can program to whatever. And then it has this button, which you hold turns it into like a fine mode. So this cursor becomes much less sensitive. Right. So like if you move it. Yeah, if you move it a far distance, it moves the cursor a very small distance. So if you're if you're.
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Let's say you're pulling out measurements on Sketchup or Fusion or something, you know, you can you can pull more accurately if you guys understand what I'm trying to say. You know what I like also about the that kind of mouse is that you're not at the mercy of like the surface you're mousing on.
00:09:47
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Yeah, so actually the main reason I got this is before we bought this house, the only place I had to work was literally on the couch. And so I had like one of those little TV trays that had the little legs. I put my laptop up on there. And so I'm working with like my hands up on this thing. And the space is only this big and it's at an angle because I'm sitting on the couch. So the mouse is sliding off of the thing. With this, you could have it here.
00:10:13
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Right. And you could move between four monitors if you wanted and you never have to move this mouse. That's one of my favorite parts. I mean, I could I could sit like this and control my computer off to the side. I mean, it's great. I almost bought another one a couple of weeks ago until I realized that I can just move the cursor over. Oh, yeah. To the I have the IMAX set up right through the curtain over here.
00:10:41
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So, yeah, Logitech MX ergo. They have a couple of different trackball mouses. This is the it's Bluetooth or it comes with a dongle and the battery. I've charged a battery on this I think one time and I've had it for, I don't know, a year, maybe almost. Yeah. Yeah, it's good. Yeah. I think they advertise like a three month battery. Yeah, it's definitely worth it. It's because it's a good. It's about a hundred. It's a good tool. One hundred and ten hundred and ten bucks.
00:11:11
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And, you know, even though we're woodworkers, the computer is an integral part of every job we do. I mean, it's a legit tool. And look, there's no shot of it. Looks good on the B plus roll. That cherry looks nice. I see Keith's opener in the background.
00:11:36
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So, yeah, check it out. Logitech MX ergo. Definitely. It's easier to use and less fatiguing, too. Yeah. Yep. It'll improve your your game experience. Yeah. Well, we got a decent amount of questions this week. Yeah.
00:11:59
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I guess we might as well jump, jump in head first.
Disappointing Tools Discussion
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Sure. Why not? Uh, what tool have you purchased? Oh God. That ended up being the biggest disappointment. This is like one of those softball pitches. Yeah. That's a TJ Chippendale on Instagram.
00:12:16
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Do we have to be nice anymore? What I was gonna say is you know the response that TJ if you're listening that Luddy would have is your mom. Now you know it's live.
00:12:39
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I hope we got good audio. This is indeed live. Oh man. I know that's what Luddy would say and what he would want me to say, but in all seriousness.
00:12:58
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I mean, the easy answer is that, man, this beer is good, is that Oliver planer, man. We were so excited. We had wanted it for a while. And we had no plans of really buying a planer. The planer we had worked great. It was an old York craft. We upgraded the head on it. Yeah, with a helical head, 20 inch.
00:13:25
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We were buying the shaper. We picked the Oliver for the price point and the fact that it was five horsepower, digital readout, blah, blah, blah. It seemed like a good shaper for the money.
00:13:40
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And we had good experience with the old Oliver Joyner that was already in the shop. Right. We had formed a relationship with Oliver also, you know, just no sort of business relationship, but just a relationship in talking about Oliver tools and talking to them and whatever.
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So we ordered the Shaper. Some of those planers were coming in and they were, you know, planers were hard to get at the time. And we really liked the idea of the fixed bed with a head that moved up and down in theory, not knowing anything about the engineering of the whole thing.
00:14:21
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So, yeah, I mean, we had such high hope. We ended up so we ended up ordering a plane or two and getting them at the same time. We had such high hopes for that planer. And it just turned out to be, I mean, a total nightmare. Yeah, it was the shambles. We spent days and days of our own time trying to finesse it and bought tools and things to triple check all the settings.
00:14:52
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Yeah, that was, I mean, it's not as big a disappointment because we didn't have so many of our hopes pinned on it, but the edge bander was also... The Moxiua Flex, CBC Flex, yeah.
00:15:07
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in come through as we had hoped either there. No, you guys probably know Dino. Oh man, Dino, I'm probably gonna butcher your name. Coros Carpentry, inventor of the back pad. He has the Moxiwa CBC it's called, which is just like a stationary edge, you know, manual feed edge banner.
00:15:26
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And he had nothing but good things to say about it. He has a bunch of Moxi with tools and seemed to like him. So seemed like, hey, you know, he's good. He's got these tools. He says they're good. It's got to be good. Right. So we ordered the CBC Flex thinking this is going to be a more affordable option than the contour. Oh, and we're probably not going to use it that much. So why spend three? You know, thirty five hundred. We can spend fifteen. We don't edge been much. Well, it turns out now we're in all kinds of shit because we got it.
00:15:57
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because that's our way. We're wrapping up this big commercial job. So yeah, we got that thing and man, was that a dud? Yeah, that had some big gaps in the, you know, the engineering of it. Yeah. Yeah. I think no matter what you did, it was at the end of the day, it still would just be a mediocre tool.
00:16:22
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right whereas the the the Oliver that was kind of a lemon I think what we got yeah yeah I mean like they said they've sold however many units of that machine if the design was no good and there was actual deflection in the head like that then they wouldn't
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They'd all have to come back. Right. They'd have all kinds of people all up in arms because, I mean, it was obvious. It's not like we were being nitpicky and it's like, well, this is a two thousandths thicker on this. We couldn't use it. We're talking about hundredths of an inch where you can, you know, a measurable, easily measurable difference in thickness. In woodworking terms. Yeah. Feeding and terrible feeding. 3.128s. I mean, that's a
00:17:10
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That's almost a full 30 second. Yeah. One and a half, 64ths. That's right. So yeah, that Oliver, Oliver planer, 20 inch planer and Moxi with CBC flex edge banner.
00:17:25
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Yeah, and the thing with Oliver was they were all, you know, nice and chummy with us when we were touting them. And they kicked us to the curb when we became a thorn in their side. They didn't want to really help us. I woke up to a notification this morning on Instagram if a brand wants to use one of your pictures in like the store.
00:17:55
Speaker
It asks you to like give a release or whatever and they try they wanted to use a picture of the planer that I. The infamous planer. Yeah. Looks good in photos. I mean, it's that nice baby blue. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, obviously I unfollowed them because I just don't want to see their shit anymore because it's so left such a sour taste in my mouth the whole experience. We still have two of the machines.
00:18:25
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Yeah, I mean, the jointer is spectacular. The shaper is... It's just a shaper. Yeah. There's nothing fatally wrong with it. It's got little quirks with it that are just stupid engineering things that... It's like the guy who drew it up on paper to be built never used a shaper. Yeah. It's like they just built it and they never were like, let's try this out. Let's see if these knobs are accessible once everything else is around it. Yes.
00:18:55
Speaker
Where the hell was I going with that? Oh, but yeah, I was going to say I really don't see anything. Oliver was sort of like on the come up. It seemed before and ever since things went south with the planer and I mean, I feel like a lot of people.
00:19:11
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maybe saw through what this whole Oliver used to be made in the USA, same quality as they used to be. I think a lot of people, you know, maybe we opened some people's eyes and possible. Yeah. And you know, there was that whole supply chain issue and they really dropped the ball on their end as well. Yeah. So there you have it, TJ.
00:19:39
Speaker
We know how to stretch a question. That was easy. That was a soft pitch. You want to read this next one from our buddy Cory? Yeah, we got one coming in from Cory. Actually, our newest patron, Cory, CT Woodwork on Instagram. If you could teach a woodworking class, now Cory actually does teach woodworking, what would it be on?
Woodworking Class Topics
00:20:01
Speaker
That's a good question.
00:20:06
Speaker
You know, I'm always gonna fall back to one of those, like, prairie-style...
00:20:13
Speaker
pieces of furniture because I yet to build one. And I want to be I want to be a part of that. And I just like the design. I think it's something that lends itself to, you know, a student, if you will, because of its shape. You know, there's no crazy curves in it like Corey's doing that Maloof Rock. He's got some patience, I got to tell you. Yeah, I think that's like a six month
00:20:41
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We get tired of our students before I get tired of a project after two weeks That's I'm gonna go with like one of those stickly prairie Settees or something, you know a good, you know midsize piece of furniture Now me
00:21:01
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I think it would be not really like a build something like more of like I don't know to me one of the most overlooked things in woodworking is sort of like creating systems of how you're gonna do a task and sort of like dissecting a task and figuring out what the
00:21:20
Speaker
How you can do it the fastest and best way And just sort of the I don't know the thought process and that so I think that's like something that'd be beneficial to people That they don't necessarily think about right how to be efficient in the shop. Yeah, like how to how to take When you have a task how to take that information and try and turn it into an effective Workflow of doing whatever it could be something super simple. Yeah
00:21:50
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Like where do I start and then where do I go after that?
00:21:54
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Yeah. I mean, even like it's as simple as like screwing in those screw eyes, like positioning yourself in relation to the work and positioning the hardware in relation to the just thinking about that. I mean, you could go from something taking an entire day to you banging out in an hour. Right. Just by like really thinking about how you're going to go about something and, you know, removing error and potential to, you know, screw things up, stuff like that. So.
00:22:24
Speaker
Yeah, I like that repeatability and all that stuff. Sure. So some a little, uh, more unorthodox and probably more difficult to try and, you know, teach because it's not as a, it's not as concrete of a, of an example, you know? Yeah. Yeah. This is a interesting question from Brian. Great point. Woodworks on Instagram. Do you fill nail holes with wood filler before or after staining the wood?
00:22:57
Speaker
Well, I'd say typically if it's something that's stained, we're going to at all costs avoid any exposed nails. Say situations where that would be a thing, putting crown on something, like on site, putting crown on something that's stained. In that situation, we'd probably use some sort of wax.
00:23:28
Speaker
I like those in the nail holes. Yeah. Well, if we're doing some paint grade, that's easy. But stain. Right. Yeah.
00:23:44
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Yeah, I mean, we're always going to try and go a route where there's no exposed fasteners with like even crown on stain grade, Collins clamps, which leave a little dent, but not necessarily like something. It depends. Sometimes that hole could be worth depending on the how hard the wood is, could be bigger than like a pin nail hole. But
00:24:09
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, Collins clamps with a glue dowel on the back, something like that. Right. So that that crown is an assembly that just sits up there. Right, right. Yeah. So it doesn't have to actually be nailed to something. Yeah. And I guess that's kind of the style that we work within, too. We're not applying a lot of trim to the pieces we do. No, no. No, I mean, typically it's like it would be a crown. Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:40
Speaker
And then we actually have a follow up question from Brian. What do you use for fillers? Something shop made, i.e. glue and sawdust or store bought?
00:24:49
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Yeah, I think we've experimented, which is about every single thing. Yeah. For nail holes, I always prefer those little wax things and then rub them out. Yeah, for things that are already for prefetching material. And then we have those that for painted stuff, we have that bucket of like regular
00:25:11
Speaker
Yeah, like either min wax or elmer's or something like that. Yeah, you know the square container of just paint grade. They make the stains stuff too, but not as a user friendly and I feel like probably doesn't really stain that
00:25:28
Speaker
Yeah. We've taken to fill in some not holes and stuff lately. You've come up with some concoctions over there with wood glue and and sawdust and things like that lately. Yeah. What the hell was I doing? Yeah. I just remember you. You're making it up. Yeah. I remember pulling it out of the sander. Yeah. What was that?
00:25:56
Speaker
But that's a that's a pretty nice old school trick. Oh, that was that big ass table. The that 12 foot long on the countertop. Yeah, I mean, just type on three and sawdust. Yeah. Look at that. We got a refund for those things already that we just dropped off at UPS.
00:26:16
Speaker
Nice. Yeah, that's that's speedy service. I like. Yeah, I mean, even for paint grade stuff, like if it's just like, let's say you have a seam between, I don't know, a face frame and a side of a cabinet or something, then it's painted flush. It's supposed to look like one piece, a little bit of glue, sand it. I mean, for thin little hair lines like that, I think that's that's a good method.
00:26:43
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I like that better too because the fill is really not meant for stuff like it's not structural in that way. Sometimes it'll crack and leave a line after the fact.
00:26:57
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So we try to avoid it to begin with. But everybody needs it every now and again. Yeah. Like if something is going to be stained and it has something like that, we're definitely going to use like try and use glue and sanding to try and fill any small imperfection. If it's a big imperfection, then you pretty much just have to remake it.
00:27:19
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underside of a table or something and not whole epoxy, black epoxy, something like that. And then other than that, we for paint grade use a store bought. Probably gonna get seven emails because we returned seven of those. Where's the mute button? Mute.
00:27:45
Speaker
Corey's got another question for us. Oh yeah, he's got a couple. He's asking, if they say you can never have enough clamps, how many is enough? And what types? What brands? Yeah, they say for a project you need all the clamps you have plus two. Yeah. I'd say that we have just about enough. Yeah. It's a rare occasion when they're all
00:28:14
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All out. It has to be like a cabinet door assembly day. Right. Like sometimes. Yeah. Like if we do a bunch of drawer boxes for a kitchen, like 20 drawer boxes, it'll take all the clamps. Yeah. And we have probably what? 40 K bodies.
00:28:36
Speaker
Yeah, I think there's a dozen of the old red ones. Mm-hmm, 24s. Yeah, and then there's six of the other 24s. The Revos. And then there's four of those Jorgensen Pony orange ones. Those are all the 24s. I thought those were 30s.
00:28:55
Speaker
No, there's 36s and 24s. And then there's the 30-inch clamps. I think we got at least 10 of those. There's 236. There's about 10 40s. And I think there's six 48s.
00:29:19
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I stopped adding them up somewhere in that neighborhood of 50 or 60. And then there's eight of those little gray, cheapo, Bessie's. Those are those are just taking up all space at this point.
00:29:30
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Those are good for those really aren't great. I mean, those are super light duty. They're not even in trouble with those than anything. Yeah, like they don't they like want to like move things around. They're really called Revo June, not Revo Junior. No, they're they're like they're by Bessie and they're pseudo K bodies, but they're like super, super light duty. You have to like turn the knob with two fingers.
00:29:58
Speaker
It's like they're like the jewelers version of the K body clamp. This thing suck. Give those away with the next giveaway. Then we have.
00:30:13
Speaker
Not even a dozen sweet little squeeze clams Have two of those Dubuque 24s, which I really like those. Yeah, I'd like to grab some more of those Those would be great for doing door assembly. Yeah. Yeah, because then you don't have this fucking door that weighs 500 Yeah, two big Bessie clamps on it And you know, they're only an inch thick so you don't need a crazy Yeah, those probably be good for power gloops, too. Yeah
00:30:42
Speaker
We got pipe clamps on standby. They only come in when we need to get over, you know, 100 inches or 96 inches because we can connect the two K bodies. Right. So I guess before we get to off the literal question, how many is enough? I don't know, 40 to 50 in a shop bar size and parallel clamps.
00:31:09
Speaker
Bessie is the brand that we like. And then, you know, you want to have a couple wooden clamps, a couple of squeeze clamps, some deep reach. Those things come out all the time, those deep reaches. So I guess we probably really have more like 75 clamps. Oh yeah, if you add up all those. Add up all of them. Yeah, we probably have, you know, all clamps in the house, probably pushing 100. Yeah.
00:31:37
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Um, but 50 of the mainstays, a couple of dozen of like half timers. And then there's a couple of dozen that are like once or twice a year. Yeah. Yeah. We have like the auto, uh, what the hell they call those, like the grizzly auto thickness. Oh yeah. Yeah. Vice grip kind of things. Yeah. We got those for deadwood because you couldn't figure out how to, how to,
00:32:02
Speaker
pocket-screw things together with us screwing it up. He still couldn't do it. So they've been sitting on the shelf. He still couldn't do it. I know. I mean, now it doesn't... We have three band clamps now. Yeah. Strap, strap, band clamp? Strap clamp? I don't know what those are called.
00:32:23
Speaker
It's a band clamp. You know, where it's like a ratchet strap kind of thing. Those were great for the octagon. Yeah, that was like a breeze. Yeah. Well, there you go. I hope that answered your question. It's in a roundabout way. Yeah. You want to read this next question? Yeah, we got one from our buddy John, John Peters. John Peters, underscore on Instagram.
00:32:53
Speaker
What size would you make a mobile assembly table slash workbench? Mobile in the shop or mobile like to leave the shop? No, in the shop. Well, we did make two and they're about like three by four. Aren't they something like that? They're I think 30 by 48.
00:33:13
Speaker
Yeah. That's a good size. Yeah. Um, would you go any bigger if you, yeah, the word assembly, like I would never call those assembly tables to me. They're a little small, um, and more like little work stations. Yeah. They're yeah. Um, to me, like an assembly table wants to be like four by eight.
00:33:34
Speaker
Yeah, I had one at one time like that, but it took up too much space. That's the dilemma. I don't care how mobile it is. It was always in the way. Yeah. Like the short answer is as big as you can manage. Yeah. Yeah. You know, if you could fit an eight by eight assembly table, that's better than a four by eight because, you know, the only thing you have to worry about is being able to get onto the other side of your work. You have to. But, um,
00:34:04
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Yeah, I mean you want it to be wider than two feet because you're going to obviously be putting two foot deep cabinets on there at some point if you're building cabinets. And.
00:34:18
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You know, if you build anything that's big, if you're not just building individual like you're building frameless cabinets, you don't need one that's very big. But like we build big cabinets. Yeah. It might be seven feet long by 24 inches deep. So you want a big table to be able to move it around and. Yeah. Or a kitchen island or something like that. Those wind up being big or we tend to make big runs of kitchen cabinets, too. Like one cabinet might fill up a whole wall.
00:34:48
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Yeah. I guess big as can manageably be brought into the house and delivered. We like it that way. Because, you know, there's no reason to make it any smaller than that. Comes out better, installs easier. Yeah.
00:35:03
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uses less material. Yeah. And I think also, you know, you have less sharing walls, so you actually have more usable space for the client. So the answer is as big as you can, you know, afford it space wise, really.
00:35:22
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Yeah, I'd say 30 inches deep and then minimum 30 by 48 I'd say. Those tables that we have are, you know, sometimes... Yeah, they're not big enough for a lot of things. They're good for like doing like little finishing and sanding and stuff like that, but assembling, you know, a lot of times we have to go to the table saw station. Yeah.
00:35:42
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All right. Who's this? Chris C. Dabriskie on Instagram. He wants to know if we have any tips for table saw maintenance and maybe some other tools that you typically check up on. That beer is good. Yeah. I'd say that admittedly, we're not very maintenance heavy people. No, I can think of one thing off the top of my head.
00:36:11
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Um, tips for table saw maintenance. You know, you keep the cast iron nice. You can wax it. Um, I dunno, we're more like, if there's a problem, we address it, but if not, then don't, if it's not broken, don't, don't try and fix it.
00:36:28
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I would say for all the tools that have blades on them, keep everything sharp and clean, sharp and clean. And that way if something is a mess, you know, it doesn't stay hidden
00:36:45
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until it becomes a bigger problem. You'll know there's like a little something going on. You know, all of a sudden your your cuts aren't, you know, coming out like they were so sharp and clean. That's that's what I would say.
00:37:00
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Yeah, keep an eye on your belts. You know, a belt can go bad and break. And then you if you don't have a replacement, then your machine is down or it could ruin a work piece because the cutter stops suddenly.
00:37:18
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The other thing I notice is that when you're using your machines, you get tuned into them. Yeah. And so you can tell if something sounds a little weird. Right. That's that's really it. Like if you're working every day on on your machines, you know them. You get this. It sounds corny, but you got this relationship with them and you'll know the sounds they make even passing the wood over the joint. Do you know what you know what it's going to feel like?
00:37:47
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like when your wife walks in from work and just tell it they're pissed off at you. They don't have to say anything. That's right. You're like, oh, what did I do? That's a good analogy. Sometimes you just know. You got that feedback, that silent feedback.
00:38:14
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Another good one is like when you like you do say something and their response gives you some sort of indication that that's Oh, yeah. We better move on. Yeah. Next question here from our buddy Lou. Hey, Lou Alvarez woodworking.
Craftsmanship Eras Debate
00:38:41
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If you could choose another era in time to live and practice your craft, which would it be and why? Oh, man. I think about having the opportunity to live in another era more than I should. All right, kids have really ever thought about it. Well, there are a couple of eras that appeal to me.
00:39:13
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I like Egyptian time when the ancient aliens were around. Yeah, no, I wouldn't go that far back because. Because your chances of staying alive are pretty slim. Yeah. And I mean, even the even the times that I could think of in a romantic sense, they call for things like outdoor plumbing and things like that, which
00:39:40
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I wouldn't really be grooving on that now that I know what indoor plumbing is all about. Only like biweekly bathing.
00:39:49
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Right. So I would say the earliest I would want to go back would be let's say like the 20s, 1920s when people were really spending money and they would go like all the rich folk would be going all over the world and then they'd come back and they'd build these huge mansions at no expense.
00:40:13
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and really ornate stuff. Not that I'm into the ornate style, but it was sort of like, let's build it. I'm not worried about what it costs. Now, do you have to stay in this time period? So you're coming in pre-depression, then you've got to live through the great depression.
00:40:36
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peaks and valleys. Yeah. I mean, the, the, cause that's really, I think, you know, the arts and crafts movement, just common. Um, it seems like a good time to be a craftsman. I was thinking like post world war two, 1940s. Yeah. You know, everything was sort of like opulent and stylish. Yeah. Art Deco movement. Um,
00:41:07
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I mean, I like that sort of aesthetic. And obviously, I don't know a ton about that era, but like from what I've seen, like movies that were, you know, based in that time period, I don't know, it just all seems kind of cool. Yeah, very stylish. Yeah, that that was gonna be my second choice, you know, like post World War Two. And
00:41:33
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Those were those were probably good times and economy was booming at that time can still go to the bathroom indoors. Yeah. I have a car, you know, an airplane. I just watched that show. You know, the blank that made America and this was the tools. Yeah. I woke up to a text from Jamie's like, oh, the history power tools on.
00:41:59
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It was black and Decker. And then the guy, his name was Peterson who started Milwaukee and he had Ford's backing Ford, you know, automobiles, the anti-semite. Yeah.
00:42:15
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Um, you know, like the drill, they came, it was like the first thing and it was so huge. So like that zinc color. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and so it was pretty interesting, but it did make me think, man, how fortunate we are to have the tools that we have. Yep.
00:42:38
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But there was a little like as the announcer was talking in that show with the voiceovers, they were talking about how these power tools democratized labor.
00:42:55
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Yeah, not delay, but like the ability to do something and it's like now anybody can do can build anything and it sort of rubbed me the wrong way. Like it's it's like, oh, that's that's not the difference. It's being able to use the tool. Yeah. Yeah. Like just because
00:43:13
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can't use a hand plane doesn't mean I can use a power planer really less more likely to screw up with the power planer right so that was sort of a you know one little side line of that show that really rub me the wrong way you know that whole DIY network
00:43:32
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Hey, we can build our own kitchen. And you get the flip side of like people. I heard it the other day going on and on about these CNC things. OK. Now try and do it by hand. Right. They carved a 3D skull. OK, carve it by hand. Right. So you programmed it on the computer. I'm programmed stuff. I'm drawing things in 3D on the computer all the time. Right. Things that I can't make.
00:43:59
Speaker
by hand. So like the crown on that Patek Philippe watch. Now Keith CNC'd that. I couldn't make that by hand. You couldn't make that by hand. Keith couldn't make that by hand. The machine did it. I drew it on the computer. Easy breezy.
00:44:15
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You can't make it by hand. So that's a skill. Running a CNC. I'm sorry. It's not woodworking. No. It's another thing. It's it's completely different. Yeah. It's like pineapple on pizza. It's not pizza anymore.
00:44:32
Speaker
It's another food. It resembles pizza, but it's not pizza or raisins in a bagel. I don't, if you like raisins in a bagel, cinnamon raisin bagels. That's fine. It's just not a bagel anymore. Once you stick a raisin in it, it's a cinnamon raisin bagel.
00:44:54
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I got to hear from the listeners out there. Oh, unless you're from the Northeast, don't be giving any bagel opinion. Keep it to yourself and pizza. Yeah, that's right. We're going to get people from Florida. Okay, shut up.
00:45:10
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Unless you're from New Jersey, New York, or Connecticut, don't say anything about pizza or bagels. If you're from Montreal, you can talk about bagels. Chicago, don't talk about the pizza either. We got another one from Cory here. Thanks for the question, Lou.
00:45:36
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How do you incorporate hand tools into your everyday work in the shop?
Hand Tools in Woodworking
00:45:40
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That's a Corey from CT woodwork. He wants to know. Well, we, I mean, really.
00:45:47
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Most typically it's whatever is going to get the job done the best way, the fastest way, easiest way, whatever. But then sometimes, you know, sometimes you just want to sit at the bench and use a hand tool because you've been on the tables all day. You've been on the joiner all day and it's been loud and repetitive and the lack of finesse. And so sometimes you just want to
00:46:14
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use the hand tools chisels and planes. Yeah hand saws. I mean it's woodworking. So right. We work it in. You know it's like sometimes as you say it's a mental thing you know where it's it might be six of one half dozen the other or maybe
00:46:32
Speaker
there is a little bit easier, faster way to do it with the machines in the shop. But we allow ourselves that respite to go, you know, I want to, you know, keep my skills sharp, sit at my bench, clear my head, get in the zone, use these nice tools that somebody, you know, spent their time making by hand or, you know, relatively speaking.
00:47:01
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Um, so I think we work them in pretty well. Yeah. I mean, while still maintaining a business.
00:47:09
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Yeah, let's say we're working on a job and we know, you know, these aren't hard and fast statistics that we keep up on the wall, but like, we know that we're getting to the point where the job is on the tipping point of being profitable or being a break-even or a loss, then we're going to do it. We're not going to choose to, you know, take extra time to use Hansel's, but
00:47:34
Speaker
you know, when the job is going good and you have the opportunity to just, you know, do it that way, then then we do it like if we're doing a bunch of mortise and tenon doors, I mean, always have a shoulder plane. It's like that's kind of how I always would do it. Some of them are going to be a little snug, maybe putting a little less pressure as you would pass in over the blades. I mean, I'm looking forward to doing these things with the Shaper now. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, man, we haven't had a
00:48:03
Speaker
a big door job in a while. So yeah, it's a, it helps us keep our head on straight. Yeah.
00:48:14
Speaker
OK, this is Tom Maguire. We were just talking to Tom. Hopefully Tom's coming by to pick up some wood this week. Yeah, Tom, get on your horse and come over and pick up that wood. We got a guy who's looking for us. Except maybe Fred. All right. Tom wants to know what are the pros and cons of making a miter gauge crosscut jig compared to a full crosscut sled?
00:48:36
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Well, the first one is the weight and the ease of use, I would say. I mean, the full crosscut sled, I had one for a long, long time. I was always reluctant to use it because it was so heavy. You'd have to plop it over onto the saw. I'm not a big fan of it, I'll say, that methodology.
00:48:59
Speaker
Yeah, I'd say the only time I'm going for now, we have a sliding table, so it's which is more of a miter gauge set up.
00:49:09
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The times that I really want a crosscut, sorry, a crosscut sled, or if I'm taking cuts in the middle of a, in the field of a piece, not on the end, like if I'm, have to make half lap joints in the middle of a bunch of pieces on a dado, like I want a sled that goes on both sides of the blade, that has a fence in the back that I can, you know, easily,
00:49:36
Speaker
used like that where the workpiece is supported on the full length rather than hanging off on the side of a miter gauge. That's like the main difference to me between a miter gauge cross cut versus a full cross cut sled. As a full cross cut sled, well, I guess it depends. Half of the time they're on both sides of the blade. Whereas a miter gauge is always on just one side of the blade.
00:50:01
Speaker
I love a good miter gauge. Even that Rockler branded Jessam is a that was a that was just a lucky find, you know, because I think that was probably like ninety nine dollars or something like that. That was just one of those things. That's solid. Yep. But that's that's pretty much it. I mean, yeah, like for cutting plywood.
00:50:31
Speaker
You're probably going to want to cross cut sled. If not, just use the fence on the table.
00:50:38
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Um, I mean, as long as they are accurate, you could make either of those work. Yeah. That's really key. I mean, something that's not accurate or you got to wrestle with it to make the cut square, then you're wasting your time. Yeah. Like a small, like 12 by 18 cross cut sled for just little joinery kind of stuff. I'm looking at this next question. It's long.
00:51:08
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Yeah. Got a lot of details in there. All right. You want to read that or you want me to read it? You can read it. All right. I mean, I can read it. It's going to put my, what's the word, elocution to the test?
00:51:25
Speaker
Electrocution? I put finish on a dresser and it looked great. I left town for a few days and today I came back and saw it in some sunlight and there were a few glaring splotches on the finish. I used an oil wax finish and I'm assuming it's some glue residue or a fingerprint that I did wipe over. Did I did? Why? That I did wipe over. I just copy and pasted it.
00:51:53
Speaker
Is the fix just sanding the area down and refinishing? Since I mostly work in the evenings in the shop, I'm wondering how I could have spotted this sooner without sunlight. Any tips? Matt, one of our good patrons, known as heygoodhardwoods on Instagram.
00:52:11
Speaker
So he's got a couple of questions. He wants to know how to repair a little bit of a misspot with his oil and wax finish. And he wants to maybe know if we have a tip on how he could have spotted this sooner. Yeah, so repair wise,
00:52:31
Speaker
I say card scraper to get, you know, the wax and most of the finish off and then sand it to whatever you sanded the rest of the piece to because you don't want it to look different. And then just, you know, you can apply your finish back over that. It's like he actually he sent pictures. I think one was on the drawer and one might have been on like the face frame.
00:52:57
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Like if it was on a rail, you might want to refinish the entire rail or the entire style just so you don't see, because it's never going to be exact, exact.
00:53:11
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you know, keep that in mind. Like if it's a door, you might just want to refinish the entire door. It's not really that much more work to go and do the entire face instead of just a one little two by two area or whatever. Yeah. I agree with that a hundred percent. Um, but sometimes there are a little differences as the stain is set in. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's why like, if, if we're doing samples,
00:53:36
Speaker
I make sure that I make the sample the same exact way that I'm going to finish the piece and like even right on the back of it, like, you know, stain sat for 10, 10, sand it to 180, stain sat for 10 minutes. And then like, because finishing is like that where, you know, the different variables of how you go about it can really change the look.
00:54:01
Speaker
It's like that that last box I made octagonal box. It's a lot lighter because I sanded it to 220 instead of 180. And then for catching those things, I mean, you can wipe mineral spirits on and see, you know, you'll be able to see where there's any glue or anything like that. So before you put finish on anything, you can wipe it with mineral spirits and see.
00:54:27
Speaker
and maybe get some better lighting in the shop. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, something like glue, I mean, that's hard. Yeah. Cause it could be, you could sand the glue off and it's still, yeah. That's one of the issues with doing that glue and sawdust trick with stain grade is sometimes you'll get a halo around it. If you don't really don't, like you'll think that you sanded it all out of the surface, but it'll still be there.
00:54:53
Speaker
And just so you know, Matt, I can't even count how many times I've done that. Yeah, it happens all the time. I mean, literally. I mean, it's in that octagonal box. Yeah, it happens. It happens more than I wish it did. Because you could get a little something on your fingers and you touch it and it's so tiny that you don't see it until that finish goes on. Then it's like, oh, hell.
00:55:22
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Yeah. W 40. Yeah. So the, the good answer is that the good part of the answer is it's not a difficult fix. No, no, especially with oil and wax. Yeah. Yeah. So it was a lacquer. You mean, you know, you'd be in a different situation. Good for you, Matt. Have at it. Let us know how it turns out. Yeah.
00:55:45
Speaker
Yeah, it was a nice Walmart, I believe. Oh, here's our next to last question from Corey. Penultimate question. Yeah. So when is the next meetup? It was great to put names to faces and talk shop. Yeah, well, I would say once a year. Yeah. Now it's on somebody else. Got a plan. Corey.
00:56:09
Speaker
It's on you now, buddy. Yeah. Two and a half hour drive. Corey did win the long distance. Gloria is from Bob, right? They won the long distance award for two and a half hours coming from the island. Yeah. That's a hike. There was a guy who was going to come up from Virginia from like Richmond, Virginia, but yeah, he didn't make it. Yeah. I forget. Sorry. I forgot your Instagram name. It's so hard to keep track of.
00:56:37
Speaker
It certainly was putting good, putting names to faces. And it was funny at first because I, you know, you can hear everybody talking and angle. That's, is that so-and-so? Is that so-and-so? Yeah, it was a good time. And if I mean it flew, it did. We were there for four hours. Yeah. I have to do a, uh, an all day event next time.
00:57:08
Speaker
Yeah. So we want to have our thoughts on the beer of the week. Yeah. Oh, wait, we got the question of the week. Oh, yeah. Well, we'll rattle it off. We preread the question of the week. So this is the question of the week we'll do in the Patreon. This is from our buddy Manny.
00:57:26
Speaker
I just read the first half of it. When dealing with someone who always wants to give advice but can never receive it, how do you suggest handling it? Or many, too many mistakes on Instagram? Oh my god. Is that a loaded question? I have no idea what he's talking about. Me neither.
00:57:53
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Beer of the Week slush punch from Pine, Lone Pine Brewing Company. I dug it. Yeah, I'm going to say this is probably towards the top of the list of my favorite beers that we've had. I mean, I think the timing is right. You know, it wasn't like a super hot day, but it was a warm day. Smell the can now. You can really smell.
00:58:20
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Pineapple. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe that's what made it so good, is the pineapple. Because, you know, I probably wouldn't have, if I was just in the store shopping for a beer, I'm like, yeah, no, maybe not today for this fruity beer, but boy, this was good. Yeah.
00:58:46
Speaker
I mean, you could be in big trouble drinking these, like out in the sun, out in the heat. At seven and a half percent, you could easily, I mean, crush a bunch of these. Especially if you were drinking this out of a glass, you know, where you could really gulp it down. Yeah, or just like a really frosty can out of a cooler, like, you know, buried in ice. Yeah, yeah.
00:59:11
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This was really good imperial sour ale ale with cherry orange pineapple lemon and lactose We give it more than two thumbs up if we could yeah, yeah, I mean this is
00:59:26
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Like I said, the one of the most true to advertise beers I think I've ever had. So if you're looking for something along those lines, yeah, because we've had more than a few of these like sort of fruit infused, hazy. It didn't have any of that funkiness that a lot of these beers had, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. But if you want something that's juicy and like tart, I mean,
00:59:55
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That was really good. We'll have to reach out to the long pine boys and girls.
01:00:09
Speaker
Yeah, now I'm interested in what other beers they have. I've never heard of them or seen this beer. We had to go to the good liquor store to get it. Let's see what other kind of beer they have. You know us. We're big on the made in the USA. Oh, you know, we got another. I might have to bring it in for Tool of the Week next week. What? We found a new USA vendor coming from Massachusetts. Oh, yeah. Coming tomorrow. I've got to confirm my age.
01:00:40
Speaker
They have a Portland paleo, bright side IPA, tessellation double IPA, OJ American double IPA, raspberry sparkler, that sounds good, bright, tart, and packed with fruit and citrus, yet light enough to crush on summer days. They're big on the fruit stuff.
01:01:09
Speaker
Well, it's just a one. Well, they got the OJ. Yeah, that's just a 0% fruit in that. It's just a RNG IPA. I see. OJ Kraft Seltzer. Holy donut. Uh-oh.
01:01:27
Speaker
They have multiples of those. One, two, three. What's the deal with the holy donut? They have a dark chocolate toasted coconut imperial stout. Oh, man. A triple berry glazed double IPA. Holy cannoli ginger gli- ginger gli- that's not cannoli. You see what happens? You move out into the, into the northeast and uh... Chocolate-covered strawberry imperial stout. Coffee cake imperial stout. Blueberry glaze imperial stout. That's probably good.
01:01:56
Speaker
So holy donut is a line of stout purple. Fresh lemon glaze, imperial stout. Oh, imperial sour. Look at the color on that. Wow. It's like pure caramel. Yeah. Dark chocolate peppermint. Mmm. We got a bunch of these OJ's.
01:02:19
Speaker
Pineapple tessellation. Wow. Guava tessellation. What's tessellation mean? That's, uh, I don't know. That's their IPA though. Mango sparkler. It's a American sour ale, juicy and tart, tropical and crisp. Blueberry sparkler. Blackberry sparkler. T-shirt cannon. American IPA. Kiwi cannon. They got a lot of different beers.
01:02:50
Speaker
I still haven't seen Slush Punch. Choco Tuesday. Imperial Stout. Maple Sunday. Hot Fudge Monday. Slush Punch. There it is.
01:03:08
Speaker
Double doses of cherry, orange, pineapple, lemon, and lactose. Cherry pie and raspberry jam. A gorgeous deep red color. Deep red color? I don't think so. And bursting flavor profile featuring pineapple, cherry, and lemon. Cherry pie and raspberry jam. What's that cinnamon toasty?
01:03:28
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Rude with Vietnamese cinnamon and vanilla extract. We've tried something with that. Talked about those waffle thing. Yeah, that's going to scare me away. Seahorse seah. Seahorse seashell party. Tropical pale ale. These guys make a lot of beer. I'm only halfway down the page. They make one with fig.
01:03:52
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If you back up, it's right on top of summer stout, right? What does that say? Fiddler. Fiddler. Oh, Fiddler. Fiddler. Summer stout, Albarosa, Dargosa. Summer stout sounds good. Session IPA, Hibiscus Cezam, Maple Brown ale, American stout, Barbella stout. Grisette. I don't even know what a grisette is. I think that has something to do with grapes.
01:04:21
Speaker
Like refreshing. Bum, bum, bum. Maybe not. Lemon lime crush puppy. Blue raspberry crush puppy. Oh man, a pulsating rendition of our favorite chili childhood drinks. Crispin light with crackling hop flavor and an addition of blueberry and raspberry. These guys are like the Ben and Jerry's of beer. Yeah. Then look, this is getting into their bottled stuff. Oh man.
01:04:54
Speaker
Man, wow, we could go on and on about this. Maybe we'll continue the conversation in the question of the week. Yeah. The Patreon aftershow. We dimmed the lights during the aftershow. I don't know if anybody really knew that. I'll show you. Yeah, I got in the mood for that aftershow. But not really, so you can't see anything now.
01:05:22
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These lights are. Yeah. The things we do to get good video. Yeah, you guys. Speaking of which, go watch on YouTube. Thank our patrons. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
01:05:37
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Our Gold Tier Patrons, Jerry Greenen, David Murphy, Manny Sirianni, Dustin Fair, Adam Pothass, David Shoemaker, Colin Lai, Keith Drennan, and our newest patron, Corey Tye. Welcome. Welcome to the club. Well, with that, we'll sign off. We'll see you guys next week, episode 50. Yeah. Cinqueente. See you next week. Ciao.
01:06:21
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Ain't no shame, but there's been a chain