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Adding Value To Your Rest and Recreation – a conversation with Jennifer Mullowney
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Jennifer Mullowneyis a licensed clinical social worker with over 20 years of experience in the mental health field, and the founder of Crossroads Counselling Services.
Jennifer has seen clients struggle with finding a work/life balance and seen them want to do nothing in their rest and recreation time, which can potentially make their problems worse.
In this episode of the Abeceder work life balance podcast Rest and Recreation Jennifer explains to host Michael Millward how she helps clients identify ways in which they can use their rest and recreation time more effectively.
During their conversation Jennifer and Michael discuss the reasons why people find using their rest and recreation time effectively and identify several ways in which they can be more proactive about how they use their rest and recreation time.
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Introduction to 'Rest and Recreation' Podcast
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on zencaster Hello and welcome to Rest and Recreation, the work-life balance podcast from Abysida. I'm your host, Michael Millward, the Managing Director of Abysida.
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Today, I'm talking to Jennifer Maloney about how to get more out of your rest and recreation time.
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As with every episode of Rest and Recreation, we will not be telling you what to think, but we are hoping to make you think.
Jennifer Maloney's Counseling Journey
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Today's rest and recreation guest is Jennifer Maloney.
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Jennifer is a licensed clinical social worker with over 20 years of experience. She is also the founder of Crossroads Counseling in Downingtown in Pennsylvania, USA.
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You can also access those trade prices on travel by joining the Ultimate Travel Club. And to make that easy, there is a link in the description which has a built-in discount. Now that I've paid some bills, it is time to make an episode of Rest and Recreation.
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And we start that by saying, hello, Jennifer. Hello.
Transition to Telehealth
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Can we start by you so giving us a ah summary of your experience, the sorts of things that you've done and how you came to set up the Crossroads Counselling? Sure, sure. After getting my clinical license, I ah worked with teenagers before, mostly in a residential school settings. And then after getting my clinical license and getting those requirements to become a clinical social worker, I started in private practice.
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That was back in 2001. been doing it ever since. I've lived in a couple different states, Pennsylvania, Arizona, Virginia, and Delaware. Back in Pennsylvania, where I'm from, 2015. I decided to go on my own and open up a home office.
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And then 2020, when the lockdown hit, of course, I couldn't see anyone in person anymore. So that's kind of when I found out about telehealth and been doing that ever since. Great
The Meaning Behind 'Crossroads Counseling'
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stuff. What are the origins of the name Crossroads Counseling? A lot of times folks will come to me when they're at a crossroads with something.
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It's where people are at. Exactly. It's kind of where they are, no matter what they're experiencing, they're maybe the crossroads. And then the counseling just kind of came out of that. in the services piece, I provide supervision for those, since i've been doing this for a while, to like ah to social work students who are getting their licensure.
00:03:17
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So it kind of seemed to encompass everything. Right. So you're covering or looking at people who who have reached a crossroads in their life. Yes. And that covers absolutely every aspect of life, I suppose. Absolutely. I mean, it can be, you know, career change, relationship change, grief and loss.
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All sorts of things. Really any issue. Yeah, all sorts of things. Definitely. They're all very different and every situation is as unique as the person who's in that situation. But after 20 years of experience, you must see some common threads in that as well.
Feelings of Isolation and Disconnection
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I do.
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a lot of times i will see people feeling isolated, you know, not feeling like they have a good connection with anyone, feeling like they're on their own loneliness, even if they are surrounded by others.
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And they also are not really enjoying ah life at all. So that's definitely a common issue across all of those things. When you're saying people feel isolated, disconnected, what does that mean and store in their life? Sure. So they might not feel like they're a part. Maybe they are a part of a group, but they feel like they're not included in things.
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or there's not something that maybe kind of bring the groups together. Maybe it's all work. You know, if if it's at work, maybe if it's at home, they're feeling like there's just, they're not spending any kind of quality time together getting to, or maybe if if it's at work, they're not really getting to know people on a more personal level for lots of different reasons.
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And then they have children or they're running around or they've got aging parents taken care of, or just maybe they have a couple jobs. burning the house, you know, shuffling the kids around. They feel like they're just kind of going from one thing to the next and not really connect, having that human connection with even with themselves or quality time with others.
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It sounds a little bit like you can be sitting in a room with a group of people, but you don't feel engaged with anything that's going on correct with those people.
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yeah There could be conversations going on. There could be jokes being told and you just don't connect with what is being said or see the funny side of the joke. You're just, you're present.
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Well, I think the expression probably is you're there, but you're not present. Exactly. Exactly. From your description, it sounds a little bit like people are functioning rather than existing or living in that space. They're going through the motions of yeah working, earning a living, being part of the family, being part of the team, but not actually...
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really engaging with that. Yes, I agree with that 100%. Yes. The result of that is that whatever issue or challenge they think they're facing, because they're not engaged in these various different environments, that makes the issue worse.
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Yes. Yes, absolutely.
Workplace Behavior and Personal Issues
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And they start to feel that. Yes. right So I'm an HR ah professional, obviously. So I get to so talk to all sorts of people and have done over the years of a, of a career that's taken me all over the world with all sorts of people who having problems at work.
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But when I have a conversation with them about that issue, The real problem that, or the real issue is nothing to do with their work.
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know, it's, it's something that's quite removed from the actual work. They just bring the problem with them to work and in the routine environment that they're used to at work.
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the problem can then be aired so to speak but it's aired non-verbally they don't talk about the problem it just becomes then it impacts how they interact with people how they do their work their level of interest yes yes definitely and they're right right and their level of function and they can start to can cause depressive symptoms anxious symptoms it can start to affect you know other parts of their life as well right it just kind of just stays with them Part of the solution is very often to be more proactive in doing other things in life.
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Take one example, the mother who is waking up in the morning, making breakfast, making lunchboxes for the family, getting kids off to school, getting to work, going through the motions at work, then picking up kids from school, going home and going through the whole sort of motion again, and then falling into bed exhausted, probably too tired to have a good night's sleep.
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There's on a route to not being in a positive situation in so many ways.
Proactive Rest and Recreation
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And what you're saying is that we need to take a more proactive interest and be more proactive about our rest and recreation time and put more structure into it. Absolutely. And I tell clients, I said, you know, you have to schedule it in especially if it's something that is going to be, you know, you haven't done it in a while. It's something new, you know, it's, it's going to take a while to become a habit.
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So I think people think like, why can't I fit it? I know I can't fit it in. And it's like, there, there should be time even to, you know, maybe take a 10 minute walk after dinner. I tell people like you have to monitor how much time you're spending on your phone.
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on social media, you know, or on an electronic device, because that's a big one. I think people realize how much time that can take. And so if you put the phone down for 15 minutes, take a walk. If somebody really needs to get ahold of you, they will get ahold of you.
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You can certainly put it down. There's nothing that's going to be social media site that that urgent and take a walk or read a book. If you want to, you know, if you, if not able to take a walk or try to find something that maybe you enjoyed before in the past that you feel like you haven't had time for, it try to fit that in because a lot of times too, when ah folks are tied to their devices, it causes anxiety.
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So, I mean, there's been you know studies on this, so it's, and it keeps them, it can interfere with your sleep. Try to find something that you can do each day, for yourself that you can spend. to me If it's you know knitting, if it's crafting, just something. And maybe it's something you haven't done in a while, but it's okay. You can you know pick it up again. It it may even be something that you can do with someone else, or maybe there's an interest you have and feel like you're not, you don't have that many friends to socialize with. i always tell folks, the best way to meet people is to do an activity or start a hobby where you're going to connect with people that have similar interests because you already have that in common.
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This is true. I agree with you.
The Nature of Friendships
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I remember once being told that sir you won't make friends in a bar or a pub or a nightclub because those are the sorts of places that people go to with their friends. Yes.
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And they go with friends who have a common interest. They have something in common with. sure. And it's it's interesting. When I think about it, it's it's like we grow up almost being told who our friends are because they happen to be the people who are in the same place as us.
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yes So, you know, as we go through school, our friends are the people who sat next to us in particular lessons or in the same year group.
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We know the people that are in our class, but we're not too sure about the people in another class. And when I think about it, you You could go through all the years of high school without meeting some of the people that were in other classes.
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Oh, yeah absolutely. yeah Sure. Right. But we are led to believe that the people who we're in the same class with are our friends, but they're actually just our friends because they happen to be other human beings who were in the same place.
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Absolutely. And we formed a social relationship with them. Right. And then when we leave school, we go to university, the same sort of thing happens there. And then when we leave university and enter the workforce, it's very easy to think that the people that we work with, because we work with them,
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are our friends rather than our work colleagues. And there's a difference between the two. Yes. Yes. And if you if you don't believe me, just resign from a job and see how many of the friends you have still in six months time that you used to work. Exactly. That you talk to. Right. And some of that is just, yeah.
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And some of the things that work too are that, you know, for socialization, you may be getting coffee with this person, but otherwise you may not, you know, associate with them, you know, otherwise. So, or want to. Right. Exactly.
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um That's very true. It's very true. I always tell people like you have to, you know, find your people, the people you want to, because that can be very distressing for some folks, especially when they, you know, graduate from four year university here, you know, our college system. And let's say I don't talk to anybody. Well, maybe the bond was that you were all in school at the same time together, you know, but throughout your life, you're going to have to try to have those connections with people.
00:11:59
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And, and one of the ways you can do that is is through hobbies. What you're saying then is that don't be thinking that just because you happen to be in the same space as someone, that when you're not in that space, that they will be your friend. Exactly.
00:12:13
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Yes. Friendships aren't based around locations. um Like you be very friendly with your neighbors, but if you move, you may lose touch with them and it's no one's fault. It's just that the reason for the relationship no longer exists.
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Whereas if you have a hobby, an interest, and you meet other people as a result of that hobby or interest, you are more likely to build longer term relationships with them, which are more genuine friendships because you have that common interest. Absolutely.
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Yes.
Exploring Interests for Mental Health
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The challenge then is to work out what it is you're interested in when your life is taken up with, as I said, you know, you get up, you make breakfast for the kids, you make their lunch, you take them to school, you go to work, you come home and do everything in reverse order, and then you collapse into bed.
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You're saying that is that the important thing is to actually put in the schedule, me time, time when you are going to explore and discover what it is that is you beyond all your various different titles of parent, taxi of mom and dad, person at work,
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all these sorts things, what is the real you and schedule that into your diary? Yes, absolutely. You have to, you have to schedule it in because, and I tell, you know, couples that was spending time together too. I mean, or, or even if you have friends that you don't, you feel like you're not seeing, and you, and you know, maybe they do share the hobby that,
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yeah you you know, you do share a common interest, you have to schedule it in and say, you're scheduling everything else in. So you've got to take that time for you. Because if it's not on the list, or if it's on the calendar, it's probably the first thing that's going to go.
00:14:02
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Yes. So and you really have to do something for at least I think I read sometimes, you know, at least like eight or 10 times at the at the bare minimum for it to become a habit for yourself. And you might try something and not like it or think, okay, I don't want to, you know, and that's okay.
00:14:18
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You know, you're getting out, you're trying something. It's also important to figure out what you don't like as much as what you do like. Yes. we We don't have to conclude that everything...
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is our hobby just because we tried it once. Yes. yeah You remind me about a young lad who came in for an interview a while ago now, but I'll never forget him. And he got his resume, what in the States you call a resume, a and over here we call it a CV, and he'd written out all of his qualifications.
00:14:45
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and his work experience. And then on the back, he'd got hobbies and he put down water skiing. And I thought like, where do you go water skiing around here? I'm going to have to ask him about that.
00:14:56
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And um ah so I said, so water skiing, tell me about that. why do you Where do you go water skiing? He said, well, I don't go water skiing. I said, oh, but you put it down as a hobby. He said, well, if I could go water skiing, if there was somewhere to do it, I would do it. It would be my hobby.
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Because I had the opportunity to try it once when I was on on holiday in Greece and I loved it and I want to do it again. So it's my hobby as soon as I can find somewhere that I can do it. for So yeah we gave him the challenge. that said Well, if you start working here, then your first objective is going to be finding out where you can do it. Yes. And and get the wetsuit and the skis and everything and and get yourself into it.
00:15:37
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Because we had a view that everyone needed to to be doing something away from work, a reason to leave work. on time. Yes, yes, exactly. Very true. But you make it sound very easy. not that easy.
00:15:48
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For some. It is like you just discover all these things. I mean, it's going into a room where you don't know anyone yeah is is a bit of a worry. it Yes. Oh, yes.
00:16:00
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You know, and some folks may not have someone that they can, you know, like, you know, drag along. or I say something that might help if you do you have someone that can kind of... A friend. Friend or someone. Right. And if you don't, I i tell people...
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There probably is someone else that is going through the same thing as you. So, you know what? I'm going to stay for 15 minutes. You can set a timer. And if after 15 minutes you want to leave, you can leave. Like there's no pressure, you know, no one is making you this.
00:16:28
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yeah And at least try to give it 15 minutes. Obviously, if you don't give ah a safety concern or something. and think if you're going along to a craft club or any type of social club, type of club where people have a shared interest, ah you're not going to just turn up on the door on a particular day.
00:16:46
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You'll have some sort of contact beforehand with the organizers and tell them that you're new And this is something that you did ages ago, but you know you've you want to get back into it.
00:16:57
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They're going to find a buddy for you, really, aren't they? They're going to want to encourage you to to join and to keep on going and to make it a pleasant experience for you because groups thrive on new members.
00:17:09
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Oh, absolutely. Yes, yes. And so I think you right, that's a great idea. You know, you can call them, ah send them an email, say I'm interested. I'll be coming alone. I just want to make sure, you know, maybe find out some more information about the group, you know,
00:17:24
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Or even just sort of where is the best place to park the car. Exactly, exactly. Make
Community Engagement and Hobbies
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it very practical. You don't have to really sort of like expose your nervousness about going to the group. It's like, I'm new. I've never been before.
00:17:39
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It's going to be really helpful if you could tell me where to park the car or... which is the bus route that passes the venue, these sorts of things. um You can make it very practical and not have to expose yourself in terms of like, I'm nervous, I'm scared. Right. And then they'll, they'll be expecting you, you know, um I mean, of course they'll know if you're, if it's an established group, cause I get a lot of clients say, well, if it's, if it's a newer group, it may not be so, I may not feel so much anxiety, but if they're already a group that's like you said, ask those kinds of questions. And so they'll be expecting you. And if someone's a group leader,
00:18:11
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Generally they should be an outgoing person and they should want to make people feel welcome, as you said, because they want the group to thrive. yeah I had a conversation with someone last week who was, a new member of a group that I'm involved with. So we did all of our formal introductions as they were sitting around our committee table.
00:18:29
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And then in the break, it's all a bit dull and boring, isn't it? This um this idea of you know telling us all these great things that people are doing. And I said, well, it's just the way things happen, isn't it? said, but tell me, Michael, what's what's your hobby?
00:18:45
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right And I thought for a moment, I thought like, do I have a hobby? do I have a hobby? What's my hobby? yeah I thought, yeah, that's my hobby. All of a sudden, all sorts of things started to happen as a result of just asking that question.
00:18:59
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And it made me think about you this sort of situation where we're talking about people who need to stop the treadmill and take more time for themselves if you are a school-run parent and school-run parents is a great way to meet new people outside the school gate yes if you can have a conversation that isn't about the school isn't about the children or your child or their child but actually so say yes What is it you do when you're not doing this?
00:19:30
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and What is your hobby? What clubs do you belong to? That can be a great way of exploring new ways of new activities, things you've not tried before. Getting out there and into a community is not easy at any age, but the older that we get, the more difficult it seems to become.
00:19:49
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I agree with that. And you're right. Talking to someone, asking those questions is important because I get a lot of people that say, you know, their children are involved in different activities. They say, but I hate small talk.
00:20:00
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You know, it it can be awkward and it doesn't really go anywhere. yeah So you're right. People give all sorts of clues away about what it is that they like to do. They do. They do. And if you can identify and pick up on that, then you can say, oh, you've got this football, baseball, soccer team logo on your shirt.
00:20:20
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Oh, I've been following them as well. hmm. sure And you can have a conversation even if it's like, oh, you're following that team. bet you were just a bit disappointed last weekend. where you Right, if it's a rival team. Yeah. A light comment can start the conversation with someone. And before you know where you are, you're discovering someone who's got that interest that you've also got.
00:20:43
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Yeah. there are different There seem to be different aspects to this. One is that you've got to work out what it is that you're going to be interested in. Another one is that you've got to find the place where you can do what it is that you're interested in. And that's going the formal route with the various different clubs that there are.
00:21:04
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Or the informal club of bumping into someone who you've seen for the last six weeks at the school gate but and haven't actually spoken to, but you have a shared interest.
00:21:16
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in your child's education and then you notice that they are they've got the same t-shirt from a concert that you were also at or from a football game that you were at, that sort of thing. You can start the conversation that way and find out more about what it is that they do because they're interested in the same sort of thing as you. Right, right.
00:21:34
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The other thing that I think is really important from what you're saying is that you've got to schedule the time but you for you as an individual to get involved in these types of activities as well.
00:21:47
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Yes,
Scheduling for Mental Wellness
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it's important. You have to put yourself, you know, make it a priority. It doesn't, and it doesn't have to be something that you're doing every day. you know, I mean, you certainly, if you can, if you, like I said, things like walking or reading or crafting things at home that you can do, but, uh, right. But finding something, maybe it's, if there is a club or something you can join that maybe has something,
00:22:07
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you know, even once a month, um something to look forward to, you know, something else look forward to, to give you that. And then you might find quickly that once you if it's something that you do enjoy, you want something else to so occupy another, and you know, find another hobby, even from that. yeah um Yes, but you have to, you have to you have to schedule and give it the time, especially with our, our busy lives.
00:22:30
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The scheduling means that it's more likely to happen. Yes. That's great. It's a very simple, straightforward sort of message, but there is the realization or the reality that whilst I talk about it and make it sound very easy,
00:22:46
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it isn't as easy as we might think and we do recognize that i think but sure the value the benefits of scheduling finding the right type of thing for you not being afraid to say actually this isn't for me is very empowering has a very positive impact on your mental health your physical health and your relationships with other people even those who aren't involved in the same activity as you Oh, yes. And I always tell, put it out there to your partner, your friends, you know, spouse, coworkers. This is what you want to do but for a little bit of accountability. So they may ask you, oh, how is that, you know, anything like you've joined or...
00:23:25
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flower arrangement class you wanted to take. And I just have an example of something, you know, I wanted to read more. And I said, you know, I need to put my phone down more. I'm going to, I'm going to read more for pleasure. You know, i read for work. So I kind of put it out there to a couple of friends. And before I knew it, I had 25 women that wanted to form a book club.
00:23:43
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And I was amazed like, Oh my gosh, where am going to fit 25 people? You know, but always, Oh, this is a fabulous idea. Why? And I thought, oh my gosh, they all had the same idea, but nobody was making that happen. So even if, yeah, you know, it's a raise your hand, ask the question kind of a thing. Yeah. Yeah. It's all it takes is someone to say, know, I know it's a daft idea.
00:24:05
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I know it's a daft idea. Who would ever want to do this? But well, it may be, it's not as daft as you might think. Right. And before you know where you are, you're 25 people want to be in a book club.
00:24:16
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Wow. I know. Yeah. I thought, oh, I, you know, you may not really like, I know all these people. Okay. You know, so right. Away we go. Away we go. yeah And it's such a simple um sort of thing.
00:24:28
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All it takes is someone to make that first step yeah and say, i want to read more. I can go to the library. I can buy books. I can sit by myself and read.
00:24:38
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And yet the glory of books is that you can share them with other people. yeah And, you know, well, I think this character wanted to do this. Well, you're wrong for a start off.
00:24:50
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yeah right I'm a chapter ahead of you. Don't say anything then. Don't let the plot away. Don't give the plot away. All this sort of stuff. But, you it's so much fun, isn't it? Oh, yeah, it's great.
Transforming Isolation into Connection
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And, you're you know, we're off our devices. We're connecting with people.
00:25:03
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And you might say in that, You know, I even had someone like when I created the group, someone said, oh, one of your friends does this for living. I've been looking for, you know, an event planner. Like I might contact her. I thought, wow, like already making connections, you know, like it's so yeah just amazing. So if it makes another, it's going to make other connections too, which is wonderful. yes yeah which is Yeah. I think the human interaction. And I think when we talk about screens, we're viewing them too often in,
00:25:32
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An individual sort of activity. i sit there with this phone and you're zoned out almost. Whereas actually, there's no reason why parent in a household couldn't say, actually, we're not going to do it like that anymore.
00:25:48
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We'll tie the phones up to the, connect the phones up to the big screen on the TV and actually we'll have like 30 minutes, three times a week. That will be our time for sharing the funny things that we found. Sure. And make it something that can be quite isolating into much more of a community type activity yeah as well. Yes, yes.
00:26:11
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bring people back together. Yes, exactly. Talking about it, sure. Yeah, something you can even all watch together and talk about it. That's better than looking at it, you know, everyone kind on their own devices watching something. Yes. Give yourself the discipline of having times when you do specific things with the phone. are In conventional television land, this program is on for 30 minutes every Friday night.
00:26:32
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That means I'll spend 30 minutes on a Friday night doing this on my device.
Mental and Physical Shifts for Rest
00:26:37
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and you become much more discerning about the quality of the content that you're consuming it's too easy to spend an hour two hours scrolling through rubbish absolutely we need to become more discerning about it i think is what you're saying but if we schedule the time in and if we know what it is we want to achieve we'll find it easier to actually use our time more productively and a big part of rest is not just, or rest and recreation is not just sitting and doing nothing.
00:27:07
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It's enabling our brain to operate in a different way, to ask our body to function in a different way is what's the difference between work and rest.
00:27:20
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It's doing something in a different way. Correct. Yes. Yes. And I think, you know, people, people find that once they have that, they the want more of it. You know, if they find you if they do join this club, they say, oh, this is great. You know, I spent an hour a week doing this or once a month doing this. I want to find another hobby. You know, it it can be, it can kind of cause that ripple effect. Yes.
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It's
Conclusion and Encouragement
00:27:43
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really very interesting, Jennifer, really is. I think there's an awful lot to be learned, but I think we've also just really scratched the surface. so I've really enjoyed our conversation and I've seen things slightly differently, I think now. Yeah. do appreciate your time. Thank you for having me. It's been great.
00:27:58
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Thank you. I am Michael Millward, the Managing Director of Apoceta. And in this episode of Rest and Recreation, I've been having a conversation with Jennifer Maloney.
00:28:09
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