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Ep 99 - Exploring HICE and CE5 with Holly Wood - Can we communicate with aliens?
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Ep 99 - Exploring HICE and CE5 with Holly Wood - Can we communicate with aliens?
This week, Holly Wood aka thatuapgirl on Twitter joins us as we learn more about HICE, CE5 and how we can initiate contact with the "others" as well as learning more about Holly and her work.
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Transcript
Introduction: Exploring Paranormal Stories
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Welcome to the worst nightmare of all. Reality. Explore the lesser known stories of our unknown world.
Clarifying Ash's Name
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Join the pursuit of the paranormal with Ash and Greg.
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Ashley, how are we doing? Is it Ashley? No, it's Ash. Is it Ashley? It's just Ash,
Embracing Podcast's Unedited Nature
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no, no. It's not a short for... Two days in a row, he fought, didn't show up, Greg. What's going on? I'm not even going to edit that out, you know? I think we deserve that. It's like that now. At the start, it was all professional and now it's just a shit mess. Leave all the mistakes in, that's fine.
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So it's not Ashley, just to clear this out before. I thought it was Ashley. It doesn't prove anything to say. Okay. I'll give you my email address. It's great. That is my name.
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It's starting to reach and the cat is getting up. Yeah, there we go. It's Ashley from now on. I won't answer. Anyway. So how are you, Ash? I'm good. I'm good. How are you, Greg? Yeah, I'm good. I'm in new studio surroundings. Two nights in the world, two new environments. Two different studios, two different nights. Moved home places. Yeah. And it's very odd in here. It is odd. Anyway.
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What are we going to be talking about tonight?
Introducing Guest Hollywood
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So today we have a very special guest, a friend of ours, a friend of UFO Identified, kind of like a partner to UFO Identified, we kind of do stuff together.
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work on some things together and so we are welcoming someone who is going to be talking about something that something we sort of skirted on a couple of times but we've not properly talked about properly something that I wanted to sort of learn more about and sort of experience for myself but I haven't yet so let me forward to learning more so welcome Hollywood welcome to the show
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That was an intro and a half. It really was. Nobody else gets intros like that. And now I feel very honored. I think you should announce me before I walk into any environment now. You should have done with that, the UFO con. Which was great. We all in. We all yourself in. Tell you what, I'm getting some proper muscles and I didn't even know I had from that wheelchair. Yeah, thank you for a lovely introduction and
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I'm glad to be a friend. I'm glad to be around you guys. And I think there's lots of stuff in the ether in the future that we can get our teeth into. So yeah, thanks for having me. So this subject is something that, like Ash, is something that I've skirted around myself after hearing about what it is. And it's something I know I've said to you before that I
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I wanted to try it, but I just, it's a time thing. So I'm really struggling with time at the moment. And I know it is something that we need to sort of focus on. Yeah, it needs a bit of dedication. It is dedication. And that is, so it's a subject that people- Why are we being encrypted? I know we're being encrypted. We're bringing this up, huh? I know we're being encrypted. What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What?
What is CE5?
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So C5 is Close Encounters of a Fifth Kind, which is very much entangled with Dr. Stephen Grier. Hice has been around for a really long time. I sort of picked up that wording from an incredible human being in the world, Dr. Joseph Fergs. He was part of Grier's original team.
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HICE. Now, what does HICE stand for? Because I don't know.
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kind of interchange between the two, but they're still down. It's using consciousness to establish some kind of link with them. Whoever they, them, the others, maybe, is up for, I've not shook hands with one, so I couldn't tell you they are, but it's to establish a consciousness link to
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initiate dialogue or conversation or experience, you know, to connect. So we're going to them and asking them as opposed to the other, you know, type encounters. So that's kind of a whistle stop tour on heist. So before we get into sort of that a bit more, how did you first sort of get interested or into the whole
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It's all James Fox's fault and I feel like I'm gonna email him back and tell him. So I had an experience as a child that, well, I'll roll
Hollywood's Mystical Childhood
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back. So my mother was a very well-known, renowned mister, which is so much fun as a child when your mum's like the weirdo. And I was dragged round every stone circle, every esoteric,
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possibility in the UK. There was always a druid in the house, sometimes an armed robber. You just never knew. My mum had a neglected mix of people. So I was always around the strange and the weird. You know, my mum, I found her in cream nightclub once reading people's palms for drinks. So that's what we were dealing with people. So I grew up very
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into the the mystery schools and the occult and we celebrated the old ways so we you know Halloween is huge was huge in our house I had two Christmases we had Yule which is the pagan festival on 21st and then we celebrate the Christian festival on the 25th so I was around lots of strange growing up and I had an experience when I was seven eight nine I can't
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fully remember because my mum used to liberate me from school and we'd go and live with like weirdos on like travel sites and stuff. That's a great word. My mum used to liberate me from school. She didn't really fire the whole education system because she was just as wild as the wind. So I had an experience at the White Horse, the Chalk Horse in Wiltshire
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I lived down the road from that. Very magical place. I had an experience in the eye of the horse.
Teenage Paranormal Research
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So that happened various other things throughout my life. Fast forward to being a teenager. I'm fairly intelligent, I would like to say, and humble. And I devour books. I've got ADHD. I can read books in a day, hours. My mum
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Although she was mad as a box of frogs, she wanted to give me as much information as I could on board. So we were kind of one of the first in our road and in our family to get the internet. Like the computer was like that big dial up connection. But through having the world wide web, I was able to start
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looking into some of the more weird stuff I've been exposed to. And I stumbled into Area 51, Roswell, found a forum. I'm a Star Trek nerd. So my people were all behind this screen. So I just delved into so much and was researching and connecting. And then fast forward to sort of now, well, last couple of years, I watched James Fox's film, The Phenomenon. I was like, oh.
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It just felt aligned a bit more for me. And then I fell into, what are Dr. Steven Greer's films? And then I was like,
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Oh, consciousness. Oh, aliens. Oh, they're so much together. And it just kind of like was my vibe because I run circles of women, moon circles around consciousness. And so all the planets of my weirdness collided when I heard about Greer's CE5.
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So from that point I did what a lot of people do, found an app, his app. Oh, I'm going to meet more weirdos that are into this. Great, great, great. Downloaded it, found no weirdos. So then I was like, okay, back, let's go on. Facebook typed in CE5 and then the CE5 UK hub, Bobdo. Oh, found me some friends. Got on there and then within a really short space of time in the, in the June of summer, the summer of June, you know,
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James who kind of facilitates C5 UK said, we don't have anyone looking after the Northwest page. I was off work, I was on furlough. I had nothing else to do. Oh, okay. My background is in events, public relations
Hollywood's Involvement in CE5
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and marketing. So it was kind of a, and I like creating community. So I just went, yeah, all right.
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count me in type thing just snowboard we we just started getting a group of people together and that's where i met natalie um and here i am you know some time later some poster girl for heist in the uk i'm not quite sure how it all happened really alignment
00:10:04
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Definitely, definitely. So you mentioned the sort of going back to that first experience when you were seven or eight and you were in the eye of the white horse.
Significance of the Orb
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What actually happened? So my mum and all her friends were definitely on acid and were all like bouncing around being all mystical. And why not? That was quite normal. And me, and I'll never forget his name, was a boy called Biza, like the BMX.
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and another kid or something. This lady had been like dancing around being weird about the eye. And I don't know what they were doing, I was young. And I remember the grown-ups had sort of like, rah, skipped off OK Bush-esque. And how I described it at that age to my mom was like a little tiny son.
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we've seen a little tiny son, an orange tiny son, and she was just like, well obviously, oh my god, oh my god, Holly, have you magic? So I was, you know, they were probably off their heads, so we all subscribed to it. And that little tiny son appeared to me a very poignant moment in my life, and still, to this day, and this is where it starts, where people start going sectioner,
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Still to this day, in July, it happened this year when I was in hospital. The yellow sun that's very familiar to me appeared when I was in hospital, not in the hospital, in the sky. And I felt there was a sense of, I feel there's a sense of familiarity when I see, which is now, I would describe as an orb. But as a child, it was a little yellow sun.
00:11:50
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Well, it's a strange place up there. Even I've been up there many times because like I say, it's just just down the road from me. And it is weird up there. I've seen crop circles. I've been inside a crop circle at the sort of base of White Horse Hill. There was a jellyfish
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crop circle shaped thing a few years before that and I went into that and it was my first experience, sorry to go off a slight tangent, it was my first experience of somebody at that point I was into UFOs and paranormal but this lady we rocked up to where we thought the crop circle was and the lady was like it's over there I've just been in and recharged my crystals
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And I'd never spoken to anybody like that before. And I was like, what? For want of a better phrase, it was an alien concept to me about, I was like, oh, okay. But found it. And it was a strange place inside the crop circle, this jellyfish one. You can Google it. We've talked about it before on the podcast. Yeah, so it is a strange place up there anyway. And it looks out over like Wiltshire and Oxfordshire.
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It's a great place. It is. And the souls we're playing, you know.
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Maria Wheatley, a phenomenal woman, master dowser, someone I subscribe to a lot, she talks about the spiral earth energies that come out from the Salisbury Plain, because there's aquifer waters underneath the stones, which when you're dowsing, send certain energies in a spiral. So there's lots of energetical, which can be read like scientifically, there's energetical spikes all in that area. And I find it
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really interesting. There's a lot of military installations on the plane. And historically, the ancients knew about these lines with how, because they didn't have our technology. But the lines that go through Avery and Stonehenge, I believe, is connected to my mothership, which is Lastonbury Tor. So there's something really magical down there. And if anyone ever gets the chance, and a lot of CE5 events happen down there,
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to go to the barging boozer because you're definitely guaranteed to meet the best weirdos ever. You'll meet druids, crop circle makers, witches, wizards, vampires, they're all at that barging. So if you are traveling down to the plane, have a stop at the barging because it's like, what's that place in Harry Potter Diagon? And they go, the leaky cauldron. It's like the leaky cauldron.
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So what do you think this orb is? What is it or who is it or what are they? And also second part of the question, why do you think they made themselves visible or itself visible to you at that point? I think I don't know what it is. No clue.
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I feel it to be intelligent. I'm definitely not. I haven't been on a 37-year trip. So it's been a shame, but quite a kid to raise himself, not really. Fair enough, yeah. I feel it has a sense of intelligence and why I've come to that conclusion. And joking aside and all my silliness aside, I was in hospital after having
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a ridiculous accident with a flip-flop and a leg. My mental health had declined significantly.
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I'm a very outgoing person, I'm very confident, I know who I am, and I was isolated in a hospital, I hadn't seen my child properly, smashed on morphine, and I was frightened, and there's no shame in discussing mental health at all. I was ready to not, I just didn't want this to, I genuinely thought it would be better if I was removed from the situation that I found myself in.
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I'd give up a little and serendipitously or universally or whatever woo woo you want to put on it. One of the nurses said enough now let's just open the windows you've been sat on the door for three weeks let's just maybe let's just
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moon the moon's bright let's just open the blinds and i was in a private room and i was like can i swear by the way yes i was like oh fuck off with that right oh you can't say that word whoops i'm joking she opened the blind and it was probably late in the night because it was dark it was summer so it must have been you know passed a lot of it and i was just in the bed and
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And it's something we feel a lot for those of us that are into high C5. But this urge to just keep looking, and I did. And I wasn't surprised that there was the little tiny yellow sun. And I remember thinking of that phrase as a child, because I was in a very vulnerable state. And upon seeing that,
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I was like, you've got to get your shit together now. There's bigger things happening. You're meant for more than you've broke your leg. Yeah, it's really bad. But tomorrow, come on. And it was just very poignant and it felt very personal. And it danced about, it came more and it went back. And I was thinking, wow, I'm absolutely smashed on this morphine. All this is really happening. And I kept like,
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No, and I did second gas himself, but then I was kind of fix the I was fixated into this.
00:17:59
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It's here again, and it's, it, whatever it is, has shown up in really poignant parts of my life. When my mother died, it showed up when a traumatic event happened, when I nearly died as a teenager, it showed up when another traumatic event, you know, in late, in early teens, it showed up. So from its latest visit, whatever it is, I felt there was an intelligence and it knew that I needed something.
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And that's where I'm at with it. What was the second part of the question? Because I rambled. No, I think you covered it off because what was it and why do you think it showed up at minute moments? So yeah, tick, tick done. Thank you.
00:18:46
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So since that moment, I remember sort of the post you used to make on Facebook when you were in hospital. And obviously it came across, obviously, the isolation and all that came across in the post. Where you are now is completely different to the whole vibe and everything, which is awesome. So obviously just well done on that too. I think that seeing that little sun again made your sort of focus your sort of priorities from then.
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It reminded who the fuck I was. Like, mom, like, and it was, I seen that little son and I felt a sense of, okay, let's go to sleep. And the next day I was like, I need to speak to a doctor. If I'm not out of here within four days, I'm going to discharge myself and I'm going to sue somebody for neglect.
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So I got back to my rah rah self and I remember the nurse being like, where have you come from? And I was like, I can't live like this anymore. I'm isolated. I'm frightened. And all the differences is you're giving me painkillers and I'm still, I can do this at home. Why can't I go home? And I think my
00:20:05
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my re-energised, no, no, I took control back, that's probably the right phrase and that day they worked out a plan for me to come home and I don't know if that plan would have been made
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I don't know if I would've lasted the week there, if the truth be told, because I was ready to check out in all aspects, because I'd sunk that low. So it gave me a sense of, that experience gave me a sense of control back in. We create our own reality, and we create our own output, and I'd forgotten that I can create my reality. And by saying, guys, this is not working, my favorite phrase, this isn't working for me.
00:20:48
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I need to go home, I have a child, and they facilitated that. So whatever that little sun is, it shows up when I need it to. Sounds cheesy, but it does. Awesome. Awesome. So when you were a kid, your mum talked you to all these places, these stone circles, these sort of historic places, that's something that you've sort of carried on with your own kid.
Passing Mystical Practices to Next Generation
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Poor Jensen, yeah. Poor Chris. It's really quite interesting because I really rebelled against my mum's floofy weirdness. Apple didn't fall far from the green. I really rebelled against it. I went and sought a very successful career. I sold a business when I was young.
00:21:35
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I worked all over Europe. I was very career driven. I was very money motivated. I was very, very normal. I was dead normal. Nice car, big house, normal.
00:21:47
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And then kind of, somehow, the weirdness kind of crept in. And I remember I was chatting to the girls, my girl grief, and the last time I'd seen one of them, and I think it was not who giggled, actually, Ash. I said, oh, the last time I seen you, Alyssa, we were off naked and telling me a forest at 4am into the full moon. And then I was like, I'm my mother.
00:22:12
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So I have, as much as I try to resist the weirdness and the following the old ways, I kind of, yeah, I'm in that. And Jensen, you know, it's like a mum, the cat's got a crystal in its mouth again. So, you know, my house is very occulty, very
00:22:35
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we celebrate the old ways we will be celebrating Halloween bigger than Christmas probably and you know Jensen understands that there's there's more there's more in the unseen realm than there is in this but he just thinks I'm crazy like like most people do and my other half just puts up with it how about your work colleagues what do they oh wow I thought I kept it really under wraps
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for a while.
Balancing Professional and Paranormal Life
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Turns out I didn't restrict them on Facebook. Whoops. And you know, I did keep it very separate because I have always had a very, so I've always held very corporate roles and I've always kept it very separate. But this role I'm in now, I have the best people around me. I have the best manager and it's the only workplace I felt I could
00:23:25
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be me and be valued to be me and when we did our little show a couple of weeks ago, you know, my manager was on there asking questions and I don't have to be as separate as I used to be. It was interesting because I was coming on one of the last Skywatch in Southport and one of our directors went, what are you doing this weekend? And I went, oh, I'm just going to find aliens.
00:23:51
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And he was like, what? And I was like, um, they know kind of, they just think I'm nuts, which I think I am. Awesome. So we've, we've kind of learned about Holly, which is awesome. So thank you for, for being so open as well. So Hice, so talk us through, so you're meeting up with, with the group, talk us through sort of a standard night. What, what, what's the process that you guys go through?
Preparing for CE5 Meetings
00:24:18
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I think it rolls back before the, we have to rewind it a little bit before actual meeting off. So Dr. Stephen Greer, he put in place a kind of mythology, a set of protocols in which, you know, Mike, John, Dave, Samantha, can do to use the modality of human initiated contact.
00:24:46
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my version because the UK well I can't say the UK because I don't speak for everybody but kind of our version is a little bit different to you know the the fully prescribed Dr Stephen Greer pathway because I just think you know you do what works for you anyway
00:25:05
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We know from experience that a group that has a strong bond, has friendship bonds, has common curiosity to explore the unknown, has a greater chance of something happening than just randomly meeting and going, okay, well let's stand here and chant and hope, you know, doggos don't come near us and all that crazy stuff. So when we decide to go to our location, what we like to do is,
00:25:34
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get people together on a Zoom, which was great through lockdown because that's all that you could do. One, it weedles out hopefully the serial killers and the crazy people. The people, we don't know, none of us really knew each other at the beginning of this journey. I'm not gonna go and stand in a field with an axe murderer, I don't know you. So we like to get together to confess and share tales and some people may be experiences or may not.
00:26:03
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But it's kind of to establish a vibe and big on vibrations. So we tend to do that. And then that's a bit of an open. We're going to go to Wigan on the 15th of jalemba at six o'clock. So we get people together. Step one, step two, we try and get together again through the power of the interweb.
00:26:23
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and perhaps do a meditation and something called coherent thought sequencing CTS.
Meditation and Contacting Extraterrestrials
00:26:30
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And what that is, in layman's terms, it's using meditation as a tool to send a beam of intention, thought consciousness out into the cosmos to them, whoever they may be to say, hello, come in peace, we'll be here. We would,
00:26:52
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like to establish a link. So we do think it, and if we've got one, we have like a location. So let's just say L25 6BZ.
00:27:02
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So in our vectoring of it, we'll, we'll picture the location and kind of zoom out from it. So instead of zooming in on Google air, try and think of it as reverse. So here we are above the house or field above England, above Europe, above the world. This is where we'll be to give them whatever they are indication as to where we'll be. So we do that once or twice, then we'll go to the location and do very similar.
00:27:30
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Once we get to a location, obviously it's new for some people and you know, you experience ash, some people turn up and they've like, oh, you know, it can be quite nerve wracking meeting, you know, strangers, especially internet strangers in the middle of nowhere. And so we'll do the coherent thought sequence. And again,
00:27:48
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We will definitely do a ground in meditation because the safety of everyone is very important because we're messing with entities, beings of unknown origin. So we have to keep that safe element. And then we will do a meditation around, you know, we would like to communicate with you and we come here in it with peaceful intent.
00:28:11
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And then we sometimes use certain sounds that in the past have been known to attract them. So that's kind of a whistle-stop tour on CE5 slash heist. Has someone who's never sort of done this before, do you get results? Not every time. And anybody that tells you that they do. Wow.
00:28:38
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Send them my way, because that's not my experience. No, not every time. You don't. And that's the only truth I can give you. Not every single time does something happen. Sometimes it can be weather-related. If it's piddling down, you can have a good vibe. No, you're going to want to go home. Two just might not have gone that way. And I was talking about this the other day.
00:29:01
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In my experiences, there's my experiences a little bit more than just some of the little sons that I've seen. But sometimes there's a, now we talk about this trickster element. I think sometimes the cosmic intelligence, as I like to refer to it, sometimes think it's a bit like, they play. Is it not what?
00:29:23
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It's not as an exact science. It's not an exact art. And, you know, if anyone out there is going, every time I do meditations, something appears, wow, that's great. In my experience, I can't ever guarantee that, but I can guarantee people.
00:29:39
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is through meditation and through commitment to exploring the inner and the outer they're more likely or inclined to have a positive experience but there's never a guarantee and I think it would be crazy if anyone and people do say that it's guaranteed and I just don't believe those those people fully. So next question would be
00:30:07
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So you're projecting your thought of where your location is and your reverse Google imaging out or mapping out.
Dimensional Frequency of Contacts
00:30:17
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So do you think that whatever they are, are coming from out there or are they already here or where are they from? This is like the buzz question at the moment, isn't it? My personal belief is they are dropping in from a
00:30:36
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other, a different frequency dimension. I'm not so sure that they're on this like mad, like, you know, light years away from zeta reticuli, which, you know, fabulous if it is.
00:30:49
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but I think we're all existing at the same time. And they're just dropping in on a frequency basis as opposed to sitting in a ship for like 4 billion years. I don't, my personal belief, I don't think that's happening. But to your question, when we're vectoring up into the cosmos,
00:31:07
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creating that thought beam or whatever you want to call it, I think is a useful way to signal into the ether that we would like to establish a contact. And I think when people have an experience, it alters the course of their life and there's no going back from it. And if you can share that experience with different people from a zillion walks of life,
00:31:34
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You've got that shared understanding that there's more than what we're told to believe. And I've made lifelong friends. Perhaps people I would not have necessarily have come across that, you know, are just, our paths were just not crossed, but due to our shared experiences in some cases, or our shared love and passion for the phenomenon, we're able to vibe on a level and certainly
00:32:05
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there's there's a gentleman in in our group and i won't name names because it's unfair in him he had a really scary scary experience doing doing his own version of heist and his wife had the same it just was this plethora of things that happened we would have never have crossed paths he's a taxi driver 80 miles away from me i would never have crossed paths but due to
00:32:30
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him wanting to understand how consciousness affects this link. He found us, we found him and we've been able to support him and his wife. We've gone back to that location. We've made it less scary. We actually had an experience up there and we're friends. And I think that really aids in the group cohesiveness and group cohesion is what I believe is more attractive on a frequency level to whatever they are.
00:32:59
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So yeah, so we question, if it doesn't happen again, it'll get blipped off again. My question was around, you mentioned like sort of doing a safety meditation, grounding, did you call it? Is that the word? So just explain what that is and why you do that.
00:33:14
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Everything's connected on an energetic way. You know, I'm not a physicist or don't understand the whole quantum thing in my jiggly, but you know, I believe that everything is connected energetically. And we as human beings have our own energetic signature. The earth has hers, the moon has hers, the sun has it, blah, blah, blah, blah. And if we are starting to invoke, invite,
00:33:43
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you know, working with our consciousness and using our energy to kind of connect with other entities of a different energetic nature. I don't know what's going to come through. I don't know if like some like crazy monsters is going to come in like raw. You know, I don't know these things because I've not explored it or experienced it yet. So it just kind of in my weird way makes common sense to
00:34:11
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Keep our energy grounded to the earth. And that's, you know, you find that a lot in the occult type rituals, you know, various mystery schools that I'm quite fluent in and, you know, have belonged to in certain aspects. Grounding is something that's part of my daily life anyway.
00:34:30
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But just to keep everyone's energy grounded to air and keep us a bit safer, I think is a wise thing to do because we're fighting in energy that is foreign to us in a sense. So we do a grounded meditation every time. So I know that you follow
00:34:51
Speaker
sort of what's been happening in America, sort of all the developments that's going on.
Intersection of Science and Paranormal Phenomena
00:34:55
Speaker
Where does HICE fit into sort of the modern kind of ufology that we're seeing? I think it's really interesting at the moment what Dr Gary Nolan's up to. Really, really interesting in all this whole like basal ganglia and
00:35:10
Speaker
picture whatever it's called and you know the fact that that brain that intuition and consciousness seems to be in the conversation a lot much more now and even Tom DeLong you know he's been speaking about it quite freely about how humans are an conduit and consciousness perhaps is the link between whatever they are and what's going on here.
00:35:39
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I am thrilled that some of the more woo stuff is making it into the more mainstream ufology conversations um and you know consciousness is the key and I will fight anyone to the death over that because I've said that for the past 15 years but it's so interesting to me now that science is perhaps catching up
00:36:04
Speaker
with that and the ancients knew this, the Egyptians knew this, the Rosa Christians knew this, the mystery schools, Aleister Crowley knew this, and it's just kind of neat now that it's more in the conversation than, oh my God, these people are weird, than it was. So the woo and the nuts and bolts seems to be merging and people like Dr. Gary Nolan, I think are well versed and well placed to lead some of that conversation.
00:36:33
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I think now that these conversations in America and the congressional hearings, all that kind of stuff is bringing it to a bit more of a public forum that's acceptable. I think people are now more open to everything else that might be on the table.
00:36:54
Speaker
whether that be more of a conscious level stuff or the fact that these might be interdimensional beings, all that kind of thought, it appears that nothing is off the table. Where do you see it going in sort of the coming years? Because we're clearly in a accelerated version of what
00:37:18
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where we've been before, sort of pre-2017, it was very slow. And now we are about drip feeding everything, but now it seems to be every day you go on the internet and something else has happened. It's going in this direction. So where do you think it might be in about five or 10 years' time? Or be floating on cloud, like at one, I'm joking. Maybe. I hope. One,
00:37:46
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I think that we are next to have some level of scientific discovery around light, sound, frequency and how that impedes and impacts the human experience. I think that's going to be the next thing that is put into the public arena to make it more palatable that we are way more than
00:38:12
Speaker
we know ourselves to be as a being and as a species of things. I think science is going to make a real leap in bounds and understanding what our brains actually function, do and don't do. You can roll back to what Robert Monroe did with the Monroe Institute and how the CIA commissioned
00:38:37
Speaker
and the Monroe Institute to look into consciousness and the whole science of noetics. I just think that the next couple of years is going to see us interpreting the way human brains work on a conscious level. And I really do believe that that's connected to the greater ecosystem of what the universe is. And I do believe the universe is part of an ecosystem and we're a bit player in that grand opera, if that makes sense.
00:39:07
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So talking about kind of the government sort of side of it and all the different programs that have been going on in America that we're finding out about now, we've got OSAP and stuff like this. And they worked with Bigelow and Bass in places like Skinwalker. And when you read the book, like the sequence of Skinwalker, it talks about the link between OCU-fology and other parts of paranormal. And so I was very surprised with Nat
00:39:32
Speaker
because in it is meant to be sort of UFO investigation type department, the work that they were actually doing and stuff that was happening to them that were sort of investigating it and the hitchhiker effect. So do you think there is that link between sort of UFOs, whatever they are, and other parts of paranormal like cryptids or skimmallows, things like that? You can't have one without the other. It's absolutely bizarre enough to me to think that
00:39:58
Speaker
You can't have one without the other. I think there's something happening on a frequency base. I think there's things that our brains can't tune to that are going on. And I think it's massively all connected. And, you know, Skim, did you just hear that? Whispering. What was it? Go on. Whispering, dancing. That was my kid. Woo!
00:40:26
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I was like, oh, no, he was whipping at the door. I've got to say, we have had a couple of times where we've caught our EVP joint and I've listened back to recordings, we've caught EVP a couple of times. Listen back and see. I'd scare them off. It's completely all connected. And I think the phenomenon, the way it presents itself at places like Skinwalker Ranch is a prime example that there's
00:40:54
Speaker
electromagnetic anomalies across this earth which people use, portals.
Interconnectedness of UFOs and Paranormal Phenomena
00:41:01
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I just think there's a massive ecosystem and we're part of it and we've all got a small part to play and the earth and her energetical, magnetical extra places are just part of a
00:41:16
Speaker
a bigger space cosmic intergalactic opera is the best way to put it. And it's very interesting to me that, and I meet so many people who were like, no, it's not connected. How could it not be connected? Like show it's a foreign concept to me that it is not connected. It's all connected through energy.
00:41:41
Speaker
That said, so, for example, could you use sort of the highest method to communicate with, say, a Bigfoot if that's what the intention was? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I've not tried it. Theoretically, I suppose anything's possible or it's not something I've tried.
00:42:05
Speaker
It's not something that turns me on to try. I'm not wanting to have a chat with no Bigfoot. I'm not about it. Not about it at all. It terrifies me. But then if you think about a heist, isn't it similar to a Ouija board? Isn't it similar to a seance? Very much so. Very much so. They look good Ouija board, like all day. So it's about intention, about changing a vibration.
00:42:34
Speaker
and putting yourself into a different, an altered state perhaps. So in theory, maybe you could be like, Cooey Bigfoot, I'm just not about that life. Fair enough. Yeah. It's interesting you say it's about a bit like a seance, a bit like a Ouija board, very much like a seance where you're sort of almost speaking out and saying, is there anybody in the room with us essentially? Are you in this location with us? Yeah. Make yourself known. Yeah.
00:43:03
Speaker
I love it when like a marble comes flying at me and you're like, yes! Well, we got some, not marble. No, not marble. Some weird shit was happening the other week. Not really. The night before Minicon is in the editing stage at the moment of the video. Oh, I'll let me know. Yeah. I've put the clip up on social media. I'll send it to you. No, please do. Yeah. So, yeah, it is very much like
00:43:33
Speaker
the seancey kind of thing. And when I first started this podcast, and Asha was probably, well, it was the same, that we were like siloing cryptids, UFOs, paranormal, all separate. Very quickly, it became obvious
Manifesting Reality Through Intentions
00:43:51
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to us, for the people we were speaking to, that everything is just blurred, and everything is the same, and everything
00:43:57
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is part of the same thing. So yeah, like you say, it's not beyond the possible or rounds of possibility that you could connect with something that isn't a UFO, it could be a spirit, but that's the form it's shown, like a small sun somewhere like that. And do they form into something that we can only observe in a way that's palatable to us?
00:44:27
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So we talk about screen memories and things like this where people have these abduction experiences and they see like a Mickey Mouse character, because that's the only way their brain can interpret what they're seeing. So it could be that you are seeing this small sun, however big it was, sorry. It's quite light behind me.
00:45:01
Speaker
Mine. Mine. Yours. You both give a misty. Stay away. What the fuck? But as I was saying to you, before we start recording, in my location, which I will keep to myself and to yourselves,
00:45:23
Speaker
there was some strange noise. I went to the loo and I could hear a noise outside the toilet and considering where I am, it will make the coming days quite interesting. So yeah, and like I said, it isn't the first time that we have discussions with people about weird shit, for want of a better phrase, and things happen about loads of weird stuff. EVPs, I've disappeared offline, but
00:45:53
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didn't appear that way to it but my computer shut down on the Skype call and rebooted and I was like really sorry about that and I asked the other person were like you were there. Does that translate though into I call it the sort of cosmic intelligence because it's it's the only way because there is an intelligence whatever this is whatever this phenomenon is it's intelligent it knows what what it's doing and
00:46:21
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you know how if you look at some of the way the mystery schools you know like golden dawn the rows of Christians and the way evening that was me just rubbing the camera sorry trying to make sure it was all
00:46:34
Speaker
you know, so words are again vibrations. So if we're going talking about it is the very fact we're putting these vibrations into the ether doing something to alert the cosmic intelligence and therefore it's going well I'm just gonna have a little mess with these like I don't think anything's off the table anymore. Nothing's off the table.
00:46:59
Speaker
And I think these Generation Z or whatever these new kids are called, they call it manifesting. So they think stuff and talk about stuff and they manifest it. Manifestations to me are something out of horror films. A manifestation is like a ghost or... So it always makes me laugh when they say, I'm manifesting this and it's like, fuck it now, chill out.
00:47:25
Speaker
our thoughts become reality. And, you know, you only have to look at, you know, people like Dr. Joe, uh, dispenser and, you know, the way he works and, you know, we can't think stuff into reality. You know, here's one for you. I journal every day. Um, I just like to get my thoughts down because I'm very long winded as we've all clearly found out. And I wrote down two days before I broke my leg. I really need a break.
00:47:53
Speaker
I just need some time. Manifested that one. And it really made me go, did I do that? Be careful what you wish for. Jesus Christ.
00:48:06
Speaker
But then if I hadn't have had the break and the break, all of these doors of opportunity that is open to me, and there's so much on my lap at the moment, and there's things I'm saying no to at the minute, which is not like me. I'm not very good at saying no. And did this break and break give me space
00:48:33
Speaker
that perhaps the cosmic intelligence intended for me to do. And that's when my head go boor, because is everything connected? Well, yeah. We've had loads of weird coincidences. And I know we've spoken about me and Ash loads of times, like the way me and Ash met, the guests we have on have all got weird connections to us somewhere along the line. And me and Ash have got more.
00:49:00
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things that we've had in common as time has gone on that we, like there's a connection that way and we'll have like one episode where we get contacted to speak to somebody about reincarnation and then weirdly the next few guests that we have are all about reincarnation and that kind of stuff. It's been quite weird. It's not about this hologram that we're all in, eh?
Debating Life as a Simulation
00:49:29
Speaker
Even weirder, me and Ash last night were talking about holograms, simulation theory, ultra-terrestrials, crypto-terrestrials. Yeah, we had a bit of a conversation. It was quite a long one, just me and Ash talking for a change. That's tequila chat. That's either three bottles of red wine or a bottle of tequila chat. I was sobering laying on a bed like that. Are we just in a big massive game of Sims? No talk. Are we?
00:49:57
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because it would explain an awful lot.
00:50:01
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Wouldn't it? It would really explain the division in societies. It would explain the bullshit that goes on. The fact that we want to kill each other with bombs and we destroy our only home. Like how ludicrous that sounds. We purposefully are destroying our home. Hello, wakey wakey, one home. And maybe it is just a big game of Sims and whoever's in control, we're just bit players.
00:50:30
Speaker
Well, we were talking about the fact that is it possible that we're actually the players in this game ourselves? But once we're in the game, we don't know we're in the game until we check out of the game by winning or hitting the level or something like that. Follow the white rabbit, Neo. Honestly, it was a strange chat last night at one point. I like these chats. We went in deep.
00:50:52
Speaker
And how great is it that, you know, you guys are having these conversations?
Supporting Community Through Paranormal Discussions
00:50:58
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How great is it that we're having these conversations because there'll be someone listening somewhere that doesn't have the community around them, that doesn't even know there's a community and they're sat there going, wow, what is this? And I think that's so incredible that, you know,
00:51:17
Speaker
you know you guys create community and you create space because it might reach somebody you might be really struggling with this whole mad concept and you know weird things might be happening to them and yeah who does people have contacted us genuinely contacted us and said that we've helped them through a dark time in their life they found the podcast and i've listened ever since so well done yeah
00:51:43
Speaker
Like I said, there's people that have had experiences and kept them secret for years and literally only talked about them out loud for the first time to us.
00:51:53
Speaker
And it's like, even though it's not even for an episode, it's not for anything, it's just for them to think, just to reach out to us, we're like, we like to jump on a Skype call, we're not recording it, it's just, we don't have a chat, tell someone. And just to give people that opportunity to share with the first time, you can see in the faces how much it means. So it's been an honor for us to be able to offer that to people as well. It's incredible and just never know what new platform might be being built to come next to help people.
00:52:26
Speaker
So talking about that you're you've recently started your own sort of show that's been going on we'll talk about that
00:52:37
Speaker
Yeah we have.
Hollywood's New Radio Show on High Strangeness
00:52:39
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So as you two guys said that you were chewing the fat last night and went down a rabbit hole and probably ended up creating another wormhole within that, I have been facilitating those type of chats for ages with my girl group and you know
00:52:56
Speaker
nothing was off the table like will go as hard and as deep to the point where we're all calling each other bastards over it or really enjoying it and i didn't realize that like most friendship groups don't do that
00:53:10
Speaker
So certainly for me, Elisa and Lucy, you know, throughout lockdown we were part of a wider group and we'd just be like, you know, when's the rebellion starting and every theory under the sun? And then obviously I met Natalie through yourself and through C5 and she was kind of like the balance
00:53:35
Speaker
We'd need, so I had my two friends lined up and I was like, we've got something quite special here. And then Natalie was the right balance because me and the other two girls have known each other for a decade. So Natalie joined the party, but it was completely, again, serendipitous through the UFO world. I met our producer through Paul Sinclair, who I met at your event.
00:54:04
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I adore Paul. Paul had knew this guy from years ago. He took him up Bempton.
00:54:11
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and they'd had an experience there and it was all just so it's all your fault Ash actually and he had license for a radio, his former radio. I used to have a radio show so we connected on that level and I'm dad cheeky and just said you know what I've got four great girls here
00:54:35
Speaker
well, including myself, and we're talking all of this stuff. And why don't we just talk about it publicly? And I pitched the idea to him and he was like,
00:54:45
Speaker
I don't think he realized who he was dealing with in the end because, you know, it's popped off quite well. But he was like, yeah. And he's facilitated that space on casualty of Mars Radio, which is now live, casualty of MarsRadio.com. And we will be live every Friday because we're mad from about eight o'clock. We've got a plethora of guests coming on, just our mates.
00:55:13
Speaker
It's an all-female-led show. We're not burning our bras. We are just girls hanging out.
00:55:20
Speaker
talking all things high strangeness and it's not just UFOs it was very um there was a desire for me and the girls that you know some of them aren't me and Natalie are but the other two really aren't into the whole UFO thing they're into other areas of high strangeness so we've got the next few shows lined up everything from the meaning of Halloween um right through to
00:55:45
Speaker
fairies, goblins and pixies, right through to spontaneous human combustion. So... Can't wait for that episode. Isn't that subject mad? Fucking hell, it scared me since I was little. There's somebody who'd just go up in flames. It's terrifying. I can't even hobble properly around my house and I'm paranoid about plugs now, electric charge on Reddit. Someone needs to take the whole thing down because I went on a rabbit hole and I was like that. I smell fire.
00:56:12
Speaker
And I couldn't. We just want to have a conversation about some of the craziest stuff. That is the weirdest of weird things though, so I'm looking forward to that. I listened to Howard Hughes. I listened to him a lot and they were talking about spontaneous human combustion. This guy was on there and he calls it spontaneous human cremation. Them scared me even more. Where there was just a hand left of the grandma and it's just a hand like, grandma, what happened?
00:56:42
Speaker
just went up Grandma. Yeah, I'll look forward to that. So we just we just want a bit of space to just and we were so nervous. I can talk for England, you know, but even I was a bit like, well, welcome. Well, you know, it's great. And I get to hang out with my mates on a Friday. I don't do anything else anyway, that might go on outside unnecessarily. So you know, we've shared some soul and we've had really positive feedback. So awesome.
00:57:12
Speaker
What's that song called? Weird Sister Show, but it's weird in the old English spelling, which was an acknowledgement to the wise women, the witches, that they burned. So, W-Y-R-D-E, weird sister show. But you can find out more if you follow me on Twitter. That's that UAP girl. Plug, plug, plug.
00:57:39
Speaker
Very active, very active, I've seen. It's hard to keep up.
00:57:45
Speaker
You know, I, I've been on Twitter for years from when I was in radio and I just didn't even like, I only discovered UFO Twitter by accident. And then I was like, there's loads of them and they're all mad as me. And I'm so lucky that my DMs are full of interesting characters. I'm a bit odd, but I am. I'm lucky that I've got a global mate that I can share some of this mad experience. And I was really grateful the other night I ended up hosting a Twitter space.
00:58:16
Speaker
randomly at like half one in the morning like hello Americans I'm here so and loads of great things has come as a result so yeah it's actually a really good place because you can throw stuff out there for discussion and there's somebody with I don't know like a dinosaurs their profile picture and some strange word like name
00:58:39
Speaker
you don't you might have the most amazing conversation with them via tweets and like then the next day you never hear from again or you know you're then speaking to I don't know somebody with a UFO as their profile picture that kind of like it's not like the Facebook it's just like it's full-on conversational time which is really good definitely the only sort of downside I've had is
00:59:07
Speaker
After me and Abs did that article, I got some really freaky deaky stuff happen on Twitter.
Caution in Online Paranormal Interactions
00:59:14
Speaker
And that was the only time it made me think about making sure I had a good VPN in place. And I've stopped using WhatsApp as much as possible. I'm more on Signal now. I'm just trying to be a bit more secure with my comms. Someone sent me my IP address from a tweet.
00:59:33
Speaker
and said, we're watching you. I was like, Nigel, leave me alone, Nigel. But I had quite a few weird things happen and a weird phone call and stuff. So there's a dark side to being so public about some of this stuff. On that note, if someone maybe knew, wanted to sort of get into heist, learn more about it, what advice would you give them just to get started?
Guidance on Exploring CE5
01:00:03
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It's going to be very diplomatic here. I would watch Dr Stephen Greer's films. See how that sits with you. I would also give Dr Joseph Birx a Google.
01:00:17
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and give him a follow. I would look into Reneiro Hernandez, right? Absolutely beautiful human being along with Dr. Joseph. Start looking at some of their work, you know, if you're UK, doesn't matter where you're based, you know, I'm happy for you to reach out and I'll point you in some directions.
01:00:37
Speaker
There's a Facebook hub, CU5UK, there's lots of resources on there. But I offer a word of caution and I don't agree with some of the commerciality of there's people out there that are charging you £10 to stand in a free field, they're then charging you
01:01:03
Speaker
amount of dollars to get a certificate to learn how to meditate then there's you know there's levels to it it's a bit Scientology ask and I really don't have it I go die on a sword for this consciousness is free being able to connect with them is free and you know I don't think I
01:01:23
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yes if it's an organized event of course yes if you're going to something that's been put on at cost of course but i i don't subscribe to someone charging you a lot of money to learn about yourself
01:01:35
Speaker
and how to do that. That's not the version of heist that I subscribe to because consciousness is free. I'll never work again. Awesome. Nice one. Nice one. Nice one, Holly. Thank you very much for chatting. Did you just want to remind us where we can find your show and you can find me on Twitter where
01:01:58
Speaker
Yeah, mute me. No, don't follow me. Follow me, please. At that UAP girl. And our show is The Weird Sisters. You can find that on Facebook. And we are live streaming from the 28th of this month, every Friday, live, all four of us, with some of our mates and invited guests, talking all things weird, wonderful and bizarre from 8 p.m. every Friday. So yeah, keep weird. Here's a follow and keep looking up.
01:02:49
Speaker
Thank you very much. Thanks for joining us.