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Working Moms {Episode #31}
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Motherhood is a big job all on its own, but add in a job outside of the home and life gets just plain crazy! Audrey and I dive deep on the WHY of working away from our families, the cons of being over-scheduled and the guilt we face when trying to balance it all!
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Introduction to Hosts and Theme
00:00:06
Speaker
Hello and welcome to Outnumber the Podcast. I'm Bonnie. And I'm Audrey. And we're homeschooling moms to a combined total of 18 children. We know firsthand that motherhood is full of crazy chaos and overwhelming obligations, but it should also be full of love and laughter. Regardless of where you are on your journey, come join us as we work together to find joy in the chaos of motherhood.
Pros and Cons of Being a Working Mom
00:00:31
Speaker
Hey, guys. Welcome to Outnumber the Podcast. We are back today with episode number 31. And I cannot believe we've done that many episodes. Can you, Audrey? I know. This is getting where you're really getting on a roll. I know. I love it. So today's episode is all about working moms. We're going to talk a little bit about the pros, the cons of having a job outside of the home I'm talking, not just your family work, some of the guilt we face, working from home, et cetera. But first, I want to start off with a little humor segment.
00:01:01
Speaker
This is just a funny thing that I remembered as I was outlining this episode that my brother said to my dad when he was talking about his work. So when I was a little kid, my dad was going to school to become an engineer. And when he finally graduated, he came home and announced, yay, I'm officially an engineer. Or I think he was getting his first job. He got his first job as an engineer, a mechanical engineer.
00:01:21
Speaker
And my brother who was maybe two or three at the time went, oh, an engineer? And my dad's like, yeah, I'm so excited that you're excited. Yeah, you're going to drive a train? Can I come see? He thought that was the coolest thing ever. I don't think he thought mechanical engineering was as exciting as driving a train. But anyway, I just thought that was cute because so many times our kids don't even know what we do if we work outside of the home or on something other than our household duties. So we're going to talk a little bit about that today.
00:01:51
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Okay, and first we're going to share a review. We love to read you guys reviews. We love to get them and you know that every review that you leave
00:02:01
Speaker
helps us and helps other people find us. So thank you. And if you haven't left a review, please take a second and go do that right now. Okay. So this review is from Tiff Ivers. She says, great. Listen, I've started listening to this podcast as I'm driving to pick up my kids from school. I'm a mom to six kids and have felt so rejuvenated as I have listened to you too. Thanks for the pick me up that leaves me refreshed to be better. Yay. So glad you're listening out there.
The Demands of Motherhood and Self-Care
00:02:31
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Yeah, I love that. Okay, so we want to start off by acknowledging that, of course, all moms work. Being a mom is really a job.
00:02:43
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a 24 seven job. It takes all your effort and all your time. It feels like sometimes and being a mom is definitely a job. So if you're a mom, you work. Yep. Got that box checked. Right. Exactly. Exactly. In fact, I talk about this. I have a little mini email course I offer on my blog and I talk about this in the course. We need to make sure that we are caring for ourselves and taking time off from our motherhood job just as if it were
00:03:10
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a place of employment that we went to every day. I know that kind of sounds silly or maybe counterintuitive, but I really believe that motherhood burnout is real. And if we think, well, this is our role, there's no escaping it, that can really lead to some scary places where you just feel so overwhelmed, like you can't do it anymore. So it's important and essential that you demand basic human rights as a mother, like sleep and food and rest and some quiet time, even if it seems hard to get.
00:03:38
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Right. How many times have we as moms deprived ourselves of food or something to drink or something because our kid needs something? Whereas if we were at a job or being employed and we're denied food or water, we'd be like demanding our rights. Right. Exactly. It would not be okay. Yeah.
Balancing Various Types of Work
00:03:56
Speaker
So in addition to all that we do as moms, our mom job, many of us work on things outside of our household obligations. So side hustles or maybe full or part-time employment outside or inside the home, dedicated church or community service. There's lots of ways and things that you can do outside of your household obligations.
00:04:20
Speaker
Yeah. So in this episode, when we say work, what we're talking about is any labor that takes time away from our family obligations. So just to clear that up. Right. We're going to talk about why to work away from kids and the pros that come with it. And also we want to bring up the little topic that if you're not working, if your mom job is the only thing you're doing right now, that's
00:04:45
Speaker
That's cool. That's good. For each of us, Bonnie and I have found that it comes with time being able to handle the household obligations and the mom obligations and being able to have a side hustle too. So the other day, Bonnie, you posted a post on Instagram and you're talking using an analogy, if I may repeat it here, about somebody running a race. And so a man decides he's going to run a race.
00:05:14
Speaker
a 5K and he goes out and he starts off giving it his best effort and runs really hard and stops all red and sweaty and panting and he's only gone 700 feet and he thinks, I am never gonna be able to make 5K. And he's right, that day he would never be able to make 5K. But as he trains and works up to it and works into it,
00:05:40
Speaker
then someday he'll be able to run the 5K. And I like that analogy about having a side hustle or running a business. I know that when I just had one or two kids or I was a fresh mom or even at times like in our episode on survival times, there's times that and seasons of our life where having a side hustle, being anything outside of a mom is not an option.
00:06:04
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. I agree. In fact, I just thought of a different analogy to something similar is I'm thinking about my son. He's going to be driving in another year, year and a half. And I think when he first starts driving, I don't want him to have a phone. I don't want the radio on. I don't want anyone talking to him. I want to eliminate distractions because it's going to take all of his brain power to drive this car, right? And yet I think about the things that I do when I drive. I mean, I probably shouldn't be talking on my phone, but sometimes I do.
00:06:26
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I probably shouldn't be distracted by the radio or people, but because I've been doing it for so long, I'm capable of multitasking and maybe drinking my water while I'm driving or talking to my kid while I'm driving. So that's how motherhood is
Personal Experiences of Working Moms
00:06:40
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too. Those first few years and maybe even for a while, it's really difficult to have anything outside of just being a mom. And if you do, kudos to you. I personally couldn't. I tried a few things and it didn't work out for me. So we just say that to make sure that nobody
00:06:55
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feels badly. If there's something they want to do, they just can't swing it at this phase of life. Times and seasons for all things, right? All right. Have you ever fixed your hair driving down the road? Driving through your knees? Putting lip gloss on. I'm not going to admit to all the things I've done while driving here. All right. All right. Let's move on. Okay. So that's the first thing we're going to talk about, the why. And then the second thing we're going to talk about is our cons to working and the guilt that we sometimes face. Because we know that mom guilt is real, right?
00:07:24
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Oh yeah, absolutely. We have an episode on that, right? Yep. Okay, so first off, let's acknowledge that not all moms have the choice to stay home. Sometimes working outside of the home is essential. Single moms or families that can't afford to have a one-income family and need additional income
00:07:46
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Although we do recommend our episode 25 for money saving tips. For my sister, she works outside of the home. She's a nurse and in their case, it's because her husband is from England and he's not a citizen of the US. He has a green card and all that, but she works so that they can have health insurance in the US, which he can't have on his green card. Oh, interesting.
00:08:11
Speaker
I actually, I also have a brother-in-law from England. Isn't that interesting? Hey, that's cool. Best brother-in-laws from England. So this episode is to help anyone who needs to work outside of their home or who wants to work away from their children and how to best do that while staying sane. So that's what we're talking about. Right. Other than needing extra income, other reasons for working are because of passions or hobbies that you have that are outside of your family.
00:08:39
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Yeah, right. So just as a personal example, each of us started businesses out of a passion for sewing. That's how both of us got started with our blogs and passions for other things. And we ended up turning our hobbies into businesses because we loved it so much. And, you know, the working from home thing is interesting because oftentimes it comes in a way that you never expected. I never expected to do this. It's kind of a very strange thing to do. In my mind, still, blogging is still really weird.
00:09:05
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Yeah, I think this is a great opportunity for us to each share a little bit about what it is that we do. Yeah, go for it. I'll let you start. Okay, so the thing that I'm going to share about is Project Run and Play. And so Project Run and Play is an online children's sewing competition. And when I took over this event, it's really fun. It has different
00:09:31
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seasons and the Bonnie's been on a season. She was really awesome. So the designers come in and they sew a look to a theme and then there's judges that judge and the public votes and then
00:09:49
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Just like Project Runway, someone is eliminated and has to go home and the others go on to the next week. And there's lots of big prizes and fun and it's super exciting and way, way lots of inspiration and sewing talent. So since I took over Project Run and Play, I've worked to bring a collaboration side into the event. So the seasons are all about competition and, you know, not everybody can win.
00:10:16
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But the collaboration side of it is showing how these talented, talented designers can work together to create a product. So the first collaboration that we did was all about patterns. And we created a bunch of sewing patterns, and it was called Project Farmer's Market. And there's an online magazine lookbook that we created with all that. And then the one that we just released, it'll be live by this time this episode airs, is
00:10:46
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fabric design collaboration. So some of the designers got together and designed fabric around a theme. And that fabric is for sale in the Project Run and Play shop. And it's a, there's a lookbook with that really inspiring again. And so yeah, I spend a lot of time working on coordinating people and designs and all of that behind the scenes, all
00:11:13
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related around sewing, like you said. So that is my main side hustle. Yeah. I love Project Random Play. It's so cool. If you guys haven't checked it out, go check it out. And it's interesting how these side hustles or, you know, extra businesses evolve, right? I personally had a family blog for years, decided to start monetizing it four years ago-ish.
00:11:38
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and started a pattern shop, started designing patterns, and am now just weeks away from opening an online clothing boutique, which I'm really excited about and will hopefully by next year have some of my own designs for sale, which is really cool. I'm super excited to see that you launched that shop too. I can't wait to see what's in it. Well, me too. It's taken forever, but we'll get there.
00:12:02
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So we just have to share a little bit about that because I think it's so fascinating finding out what other people do, especially people who work from home because there are so many different ways to make money on the internet now and I love it. So when we're talking about why you might want to work, another reason is because you might feel the need to contribute to the world and to society. Um, we've been blessed with lots of modern conveniences, which means we have more time and ability to work away from our family.
Modern Conveniences and Guilt
00:12:28
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It doesn't take us, uh,
00:12:30
Speaker
a whole day to do laundry anymore. Even in families as large as ours. But we can be multitasking because the machine is doing some of the work for us.
00:12:42
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Right. It does seem kind of silly that we complain so much about laundry when all it takes is throwing it in the machine and adding soap, right? Our biggest drama is like folding it and putting it away. And that's not the lesson anyone's laundry drama. I get it. It's annoying. We have a whole episode on laundry. Yeah, that's right. Otherwise we'd be at the creek scrubbing our kids underwear all day long. I am really grateful I live in this, in this time. Even ringer washers took way more time and physical effort than what we have now.
00:13:12
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Mm-hmm. Agreed. And what a blessing it is that we can make money from home via our computers. We can make money in a climate-controlled office or any other decent working conditions that aren't, you know, scrubbing our fingers raw at the river. Right. So regardless of the reason we understand the juxtaposition of having a passion to make an impact or bring in some money and the conflicting desire to spend time with your spouse and your children.
00:13:42
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Yeah, and that kind of moves us on to the topic of some of this mom guilt that arises. There tends to be lots of drama and lots of battles and lots of guilt expressed online.
00:13:54
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between the stay-at-home moms and the working moms, which is just silly if you ask me. But I will say that I think biologically, we as women are more predisposed to care for our families. We bear the children. We breastfeed them. We're more nurturing than men. That's just a fact. It really is. It's just human nature. And so because of that, any time we take away from our families, it's going to be a little conflicting to us. And I think it's supposed to be that way. If it weren't, then we'd probably abandon our families because they're too much work.
00:14:23
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And we'd go get an awesome job instead. Yeah, I agree 100% with that. I remember before I had kids, my neighbor, who was a very helpful mentor to me. I remember her talking about, she was a mechanical engineer, and talking about how she had every single
00:14:48
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100% plan to go back to work after she had her baby and she had daycare lined up and she was all planned to do it, but she had the baby and she just couldn't. It was that predisposition of wanting to be there and care for the baby that was just too strong and she gave up all her other plans and decided to stay home and raise her kid even though that wasn't like logically what she had decided before she had him.
00:15:13
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Yeah. Isn't that interesting? I don't think any of us really fully understand what being a parent is going to feel like until we actually have kids of our own. They were like, whoa, this is strong. Yeah. Yeah. So it can mean that we feel lots of guilt or anxiety about leaving our children or being away from our children. Well, we believe that women are the best at being the primary nurturers at home. It doesn't mean we think that they shouldn't do anything except nurture. You know, we can find ways and time
00:15:44
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and methods of contributing to the world and maybe bringing in some money too. Yeah. Yeah. And for those who feel like maybe they're not contributing to the world as much as they would like to, just think about all of the amazing things that your children are going to grow up to do. And they're going to do that because of your example and because of what you're teaching them. I think when I get frustrated at the diapers and the laundry and everything else, I just think, wait a minute, I'm raising nine awesome people that are going to go out in the world and affect good and just
00:16:14
Speaker
influence the world and be servicer oriented and hopefully be kind individuals and they're going to do so much good for the world. Even if I do nothing of my own, but raise my children, that's pretty dang awesome, I think. Yeah, a hundred percent. And just as we talked about in the family planning episode, this is such an immensely personal decision and it really saddens me that there's so much judgment
00:16:37
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out there on social media and everywhere else in regards to women's decisions to work away from their family or not. We will say right up front that neither of us have much experience or really any experience working outside of the home with little kids
00:16:51
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at home. Actually, I had one experience. I worked at the daycare of a gym when my kids were little because I could go be with them at the daycare and we got a free gym membership. We didn't have a lot of money, so that was awesome. I highly recommend that if you're looking to get out with little kids. But we do know from experience as far as working from home that it can be a constant juggling act.
00:17:11
Speaker
Yeah, I think the only job I had, job, I was helping some friends who had a Yupik strawberry field and running their stand for them in June. But I did that with my baby in a wrap tied on my body, so that wasn't working away from my kid. Wait a multitask? Yeah, I like that.
00:17:30
Speaker
Okay, so a few things to remember. If at all possible, it's important to be home when our kids transition at transition times. So for example, before and after school, bedtimes, meals, it's really important if you're working from home to stop what you're doing and be around at those times, or if you're working outside of the home, and if at all possible, you can be there at those times.
Communicating Work-Life Balance to Children
00:17:53
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Another thing that's important is to explain to your kids, help them understand why you are working.
00:18:00
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Yeah, it's been really fun for me to explain to my kids what I'm doing in my office because they're actually not even allowed to come in. Lucky you. In fact, one time my daughter got mad at me because I told her I had to go work on some stuff and she's like,
00:18:14
Speaker
What's the point? Nobody even cares about your sewing or something like that. And I said, well, I feel that it's really important to share my talents and that I want to teach other women how to sew so that they can have some of the same excitement and passion that I do when I create something beautiful. And that made her pause. Oh, that's kind of cool.
00:18:32
Speaker
telling that I share the highlights and even the low parts of motherhood to hopefully have other moms feel like they're not alone. She gets that. It's just been really fun to watch them grasp that we're doing good out in the world as well, not just at home. In fact, my 10-year-old has now decided that this online boutique I'm starting that she is telling me all her plans for taking it over when she grows up. I bet she'd be really good at it.
00:18:59
Speaker
When we started on the Skirt Fixation blog, my daughters and I did that together and we weren't monetizing it at that time. So I guess it didn't really matter what they were contributing, but it was really fun for them to sew something up and post about it. And it was also, you know, lots of good skills there too. But other things we teach kids are awesome. Like through our example, we teach them work ethic, independence, responsibility, entrepreneurship, flexibility.
00:19:29
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problem solving, lots of stuff we can teach him through our example. Yeah. Yeah. If at all possible, if you work outside of the home and you could take your kid in with you, I think that is so, so awesome. My kids have gotten to go into the office with my husband a couple of times. It's like the highly coveted thing to do. And each of them have only had like maybe one chance because, you know, their kids are very conducive to an office environment, but it's fun for them to see what he does. Okay. I make these phone calls. I plan these trips. I do this, et cetera.
00:19:57
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And I think it really gives them an added respect for why dad's gone all day, right? Yeah.
00:20:04
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And then just a quick note on time management. That's probably one of the biggest, other than the guilt issue, that's probably one of the biggest things that we as moms struggle with when we're trying to have a hobby or a work pursuit away from our family. And we actually have an entire episode dedicated to time management tips. It is episode 16. So be sure to go back and listen to that if you're struggling with that. But above all, I would say the most important thing is to be present wherever you are, right?
00:20:28
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So, when you are working, remember to focus on working. And when you're with your family, you focus on your family. Turn your phone off, don't check your email, etc. And that is really difficult to do, admittedly, from personal experience. And I think especially difficult when you work from home, you know, because your office is just a couple of steps away, right? And it's hard to let go of a project and leave and go be with your family.
00:20:51
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But we also mentioned in the time management that it really helps to have a dedicated office space and dedicated office hours if at all possible. Yeah, I agree. It is really super hard to put work down and focus on your family. But I think that's the same for our husbands too and for anybody who has this dual thing going on in their lives, family and work. Yeah, for sure. Another good episode to listen to is
00:21:20
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mom intuition, that's episode 27. And your heart, your intuition, your feeling, it'll all tell you when your children need more of your time and attention and when maybe it's okay to go and spend more time on your project.
00:21:38
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Yeah, I've had the chance to go to lots of vlogging conferences and work events and you know, that's a real struggle because I love leaving. It seems to come at a time when everything is going crazy and I'm like, I need a couple of days away. But sometimes I've had opportunities to go to a couple of events back to back and I've just had to say no because I know that my kids need me more.
00:21:58
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than I'm able to give when I'm going all over the place. And that's gonna look different for everybody. It really is. Some people are gonna feel like they can totally handle more traveling or more events or more office time, even while they have small children at home. And that's totally okay. But for me personally, I've had to say no to things that I really wanted to attend just because I felt like that wouldn't have been in the best interest of my family.
Family-Friendly Work Options
00:22:22
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Right. I was thinking about what my own mom did when she had small children at home. Before her four children were in school, she did daycare in the home. So she was helping out with the finances through her daycare. And then when all of her four children were in school, then she went and she worked at the school in several different positions there. But then still, she was home when we were home.
00:22:48
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she was working at the same school that we were going to school to. So, you know, that is one example of a family-friendly job, what my mom did. And if you are having a hard time balancing things, maybe you can look into a more family-friendly job. There are lots, lots of them out there. Working from home, there's lots of ways, telecommuting, lots of jobs that can be done from home.
00:23:12
Speaker
Um, teaching or working in a school so that you're home when the kids are. And, um, there's other options for making a decent income without full-time work, um, part-time nursing, speech therapy, web development, lots of ways to, um, have a family friendly job because, you know, face it, our families are going to.
00:23:31
Speaker
our kids are gonna grow up and be gone, and then we'll have more, lots more time to devote to our passions, our projects, our work, our ideas, and so on. And the kids will be gone and won't be, there won't be this juggling act or this conflict anymore.
00:23:48
Speaker
Yeah. Or even just when they become teenagers and they don't need you there for every single mealtime and every single bedtime. Or they don't want you there. No, but you're so right. If you think about it, being at home with small kids can seem so overwhelming and so unending. This day will never end. My husband will never get home. My child will never be potty trained. It can seem
00:24:16
Speaker
Like, you're just stuck in that moment forever. But step back for a second and think about the grand scheme of things. So let's say you live till you're 85 or 90 years old and you have kids in your mid-20s.
00:24:30
Speaker
You know, say you have your last one in your mid thirties, they're gone by your mid fifties. And then you have 20, 30, maybe more years with no one to take care of except for your husband. And I think that's going to be a little bit sad, but also a little bit awesome. So sometimes when I feel overwhelmed, I think it's coming. My time will be there. It really will. Um, I might be a little bit more tired and need to take extra naps when I become a grandma, but yeah.
00:24:57
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Some of my kids have already told me that I'm going to have to sew close for their grandkids and I'm going to be busy. You'll be busy. Grandkids, yeah. And then I'm going to have to babysit their grandkids. My grandkids, other kids have told me that. And I'm like, they've got it all planned out for me. They don't know about my secret list that I keep of things to do that I want to do when I'm out, kids. I like learn how to oil paint, you know, that stuff I want to do. And I just add it to the list, maybe someday.
00:25:24
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Yeah. Well, you know, it's funny. I have to mention this. My husband is always telling our kids, okay, your mom's going to have one more kid. So we'll have 10. And then each of you is required to have 10 kids of your own. Cause I want a hundred grandkids. I'm like, you are delusional.
00:25:39
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I said, do you think we have a lot of money for grandkid birthdays? No, it's not happening. No, but I did want to mention real quick what you said about the family-friendly jobs.
Finding Balance and Seeking Opportunities
00:25:50
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There really are some awesome opportunities out there. If you need or feel like you really want to work, but you don't necessarily want to take 60 hours out of your week away from your family, I highly recommend going and starting to talk to people you know who work and who don't spend a lot of time away from their family. So just put your ear to the ground, start asking around.
00:26:08
Speaker
Anyone knows someone who has a great job that works really well with their family. An example is speech therapy that you mentioned. That's what my mom does. And she's convinced quite a few younger women to do the same thing because they're able to make so much money on a part-time basis, working in schools or working as a contractor, et cetera. So they really do exist out there. They might require a little more education than you have, but I think it's worth it if it means you can be home with your babies more and still really contribute to your family and the world, right? Right. Yeah, I agree.
00:26:39
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I did want to make one more comment about competitiveness when we're out there in the work field. I really don't know that moms with small children can ever fully be as competitive in the business world as those who do not have them. The reason is because I think that our hearts are kind of torn into when we work. That's not to say that it's a bad thing, that we shouldn't do it, but I just think that
00:27:04
Speaker
Most of us will not have the desire to put in all the overtime and to be married to our jobs when we have these little babies at home that need us. And if you feel like that's for you, great, that's fine. But like we mentioned, each mom knows what's right for her. And I don't think that there should be any guilt or beating yourself up because you can't
00:27:24
Speaker
get that next promotion that you want because it'll take too much time away from your family. That's okay. You do the best that you can do to balance both, and I hate that term balance because we don't really balance. We like teeter on a seesaw right back and forth, but to fulfill both sides of the obligations in your life and then just rest peaceful knowing that you did the best job that you could do.
00:27:44
Speaker
Yeah, and I want to say, I know that we've said this in our episode on how to afford kids. That was episode 25. I just want to say again how thankful I am that my husband has a job that we can be a single income family and how it allows me to stay home and raise our family and play around with these side hustle and creative
00:28:13
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drive and all this that I'm trying to do on the side. It's all enabled because my husband has a job that supports our family extremely well. So I do want to mention that here also. Right. Right. And there should be no guilt or feeling badly if that is not your situation, if you need to work or if you just want to work because that is something that really fulfills you. No bad feelings there at all. To wrap up, I just want to say these three things. Listen to your heart.
00:28:43
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about your job and the balancing of all the things, communicate yours and your family's needs with your spouse and your children. So talk to them about how everything's going to get done while mom is away. And then just do your best to enjoy both aspects of your life. There's so much joy that can come from raising these sweet little babies and so much fulfillment that can come from going to work and contributing to the world. You are doing a great job no matter what you were doing. Just keep plugging along and do your best.
00:29:09
Speaker
So we do have a couple of recommendations for you guys on and for working moms. The first one is the little mini email course I mentioned to you guys. It's just a free thing you can get on my blog. I'll link that below in the show notes. And then also I wanted to recommend a podcast. It's not strictly for working moms, it's for entrepreneurs. It's called the Entrepreneur Lifestyle Podcast. But they talk a lot about building a business, both the husband and wife work together on their clothing boutique, and they talk about building a business with two small children. And it's very interesting to hear their insights and how they make it all work.
00:29:40
Speaker
Okay. And then we want to recommend a book called Raising a Business and Babies by Ashley Schubert. It's a Christian woman's guide to flourishing at work and home. And I haven't dug into this one very deeply yet, but I'm excited to dig. It's just really encouraging about how to enjoy both, like you were mentioning, and then there's like places in it for discussion questions and lots of helpful inspiration in that book.
00:30:10
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Hey, guys. Welcome back to Outnumber the Podcast. Today's episode is number 30. Wow. I can't believe we're at 30 already. 31, Bonnie. Oh, crap. I can't believe we're at 31. All right. Start over. Sorry. Thank you. Okay. Take two. Stop talking, baby. He has things to say. Yeah.