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Tips for Traveling with your Family with Guest Lisa Andrews {Episode 253}
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In this episode of Outnumbered the Podcast, Bonnie & Audrey chat with family travel expert, Lisa Andrews. They chat about 10 tips for family travel. If you are traveling with your kids, be sure to listen to this episode first!
Mentioned:
Episode 59: Family Friendly Activities
Episode 216: Pack for a Large Family Vacation
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Introduction to Outnumbered Podcast
00:00:06
Speaker
Hello and welcome to Outnumbered the Podcast. I'm Audrey. And I'm Bonnie. We are experienced moms to a combined total of 19 children. In our weekly episodes, we explore relatable topics using our perspectives of humor and chaos. Tune in for advice and encouragement to gain more joy in your parenting journey.
Guest Introduction: Lisa Andrews
00:00:31
Speaker
Hey everybody. Welcome back to Outnumbered. We are thrilled to have another guest episode for you guys today. Welcome to Lisa Andrews. Thanks for joining us, Lisa. Hey, thanks for having me. So I actually have the privilege of knowing Lisa in real life and she is a gem. She is one of those quiet types that is silently hilarious when you get to know her that she's really, really fun to talk to. And we've done some traveling together and Lisa is actually an expert on travel. So Lisa, why don't you give us a little intro about yourself? Okay. Well,
00:00:58
Speaker
Thanks for having me here. It is kind of funny to think I'm an expert on traveling, but I guess self-proclaimed expert because I do have a podcast all about family travel over at this travel tribe. And I really just love sharing tips that help families get out and travel more and make it easier for them. I do have three kids and we have traveled with our kids all throughout all different ages.
00:01:23
Speaker
They unfortunately are now older and our youngest just left for college, which is a little bit sad. I should have been more like you two and had a whole lot bunch of kids instead of just three, because then I'd still have a house full of kids, but we still enjoy them and we still get together with them and they still come home. And whenever we plan a trip, they're always willing to join us. So, but we have traveled, done lots
Adult Children Joining Family Trips
00:01:47
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of travel. And so I'm excited to be here today and hopefully share some tips
00:01:52
Speaker
with your listeners. I was going to say with adult kids, I bet they are willing to come travel with you, especially once they're out in the real world and they realize how much everything costs. And maybe mom and dad are putting the bill for the trip. Like I remember going on trips when mom would be like, Hey, you guys want to come to this thing? Absolutely. Something to get out of the house. We don't have to keep work. I know our kids are like, we're really feeling like we need to go to Disneyland. I'm like, Oh, you are really? You're just feeling that, huh? So we'll see if they guess their way or not.
Essential Family Travel Tips Overview
00:02:20
Speaker
That is so fun. Okay, so we want you to talk to us about 10 things to do before our next family vacation to make it the best getaway ever. Because I'm sure if any families out there listening are like our families, we've had vacations that are not the best ever. Like we need a vacation from our vacation when we're done. Yeah.
00:02:41
Speaker
So let's go through these 10 things and have you explain it to us and help us get ready for our next episode. So of course, first of all, we just tangentially talked about money.
Budgeting and Destination Selection
00:02:51
Speaker
So let's start with budget. Okay. Get us there. All right. So this one, I don't like to send too much time on budget because I don't know, that part's not the funnest part of traveling, but it is important to think about it when you are going to plan a trip and get on the same kind of spending
00:03:10
Speaker
expectations, I think, with your partner or your spouse, just so that you kind of know what you're working with, right? So before you even maybe know where you're going, you're just like, okay, we need to plan a trip for fall break. Like, let's take a look at what we have budgeted. And budgets are going to vary totally on all different spectrums for different people. So it's hard for me to say, oh, you should budget this for a fall break trip.
00:03:35
Speaker
it's really it's going to be specific to your family, but I think the most important thing is that you're thinking about that because trips can be really expensive, especially if you don't have somewhat of a plan when you get started. So just talking to your spouse and having kind of a general budget in mind, and that will kind of help determine where you're able to go as well. And so that will kind of help drive the type of vacation.
00:04:01
Speaker
Well, exactly. And who can enjoy their vacation if they're worrying about how much money they're spending ahead of time? Right. And if you've already planned for it, saved for it, and you have that money in the account and it's ready to go, you can just kind of relax and enjoy and order the pizza and do the zip line and do all the fun things that you want to do because you already know that you have the money for it. So it's not a stress.
00:04:26
Speaker
I love this idea of planning first thing, knowing how much you're gonna spend, at least roughly. When we plan our trips ahead of time, we like to look at the entire year. And very often there's like one big trip that we're planning on, big meaning larger budget and a couple of little ones, which is a really good reminder that, oh, remember this spring break or whatever, that's gonna be one of the little ones. We're gonna do things a little bit on the cheap because in the summer we're gonna do this big one. So getting on the same page, I think is a huge, huge benefit for sure.
00:04:52
Speaker
Okay. So you mentioned budget before you even pick where you're going to go. So let's go into that. How do you choose the right destination? I think so. Yeah.
Accommodations for Large Families
00:04:59
Speaker
Okay. So like I had said, the budget can drive where you're going to go. But for us, I think our family kind of has a short bucket list or wish list that we've always had running about where we want to go. And so when we know, okay, it's spring break coming up and we've been wanting to do a cruise to Mexico, like the timing's really going to work out and we have the budget for that. So that would be really fun.
00:05:23
Speaker
Um, but I think with families, it's important to think about the type of destination, like personally, I wouldn't take a family with like five kids under five and go to Paris. Like for me, that just doesn't sound like a lot of fun, right? I mean, maybe for you it is, and it would totally work for some people, but just thinking about what destination kind of fits your family style. Like, do you want to go to an all inclusive or do you want to go to a beach or do you want to go to the mountains and hike?
00:05:52
Speaker
Or do you maybe want to try an amusement park this time? And so just kind of having a list of things you think works for your family at your kids certain ages, I think can be really helpful in kind of helping guide what you want to do. And the great thing about vacations is there aren't really rules, right? You can just think about what sounds fun and what fits in your budget and then go and do it. And there's always going to be another vacation. So it's not like,
00:06:18
Speaker
If you do an amusement park vacation this spring break, then you'll never get to your beach vacation. There's always next year. So I don't think that you want to have the scarcity mentality around planning your vacations. Just have your list and then kind of work off of it. And take ideas from your kids or from your friends that have done fun vacations that really worked out well for them. So asking around for different ideas from friends.
00:06:47
Speaker
Honestly, I think most of us here are probably fairly privileged living in the United States. And we hear about lots of fun vacations to national parks or to landmarks or to go to Washington DC or New York City. There's so many great options. I don't think you can go wrong.
00:07:07
Speaker
Oh, I love that. And I love the reminder that there are different phases of life for different vacations, right? If you've ever been a mom taking small children on a vacation that was not very relaxing, you know, okay, next time I think we're just going to get a cabin and hang out. We're not going to do an amusement park every time because that's exhausting for mom. Yeah. So brilliant. I'm thinking about our next one. And that is finding great accommodations. So once you've decided where you want to go, I think that one of the first things you want to do is think about where you want to stay. And
00:07:37
Speaker
For families, I think that differs than just a couple's trip. For us, we have loved finding vacation rental homes like through VRBO and Airbnb. I love having a kitchen when I travel and I love having a washer and dryer. I think those two things can be game changers for just making it so much easier and more like less stress when you travel. So I highly suggest looking at those. I know some people are nervous about Airbnb. We've always had good experiences.
00:08:07
Speaker
I think if you read a lot of reviews, if you message the owner with any questions you have ahead of time, it can really help set it up to be a really successful experience. But then there are also a lot of hotel options that families can find with different suites. Personally, when we stay with kids, I don't like to all be in the same bedroom altogether.
00:08:33
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just because little ones go to bed at different times. And then if they go to bed, it's like, oh, okay, I guess we're going to turn out the lights now and everyone's going to go to sleep. So personally, I like to at least have a separate sleeping space for the kids, you know, like a, a lot of Marriott's have like those like homewood suites or something like that, where it's like a tiny little kitchen and family room and then doors in a bedroom. So looking for places like that, I think,
00:08:57
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makes traveling with families so much more enjoyable for everyone involved.
00:09:03
Speaker
Okay, so both of those two, when you are looking at it from the perspective of a large family, both choosing a destination and finding great accommodations, have special challenges when you have a large family involved. We, however, have a back episode, we'll link it in the show notes, where we talk about family-friendly activities that are great for all ages. So those are helpful for thinking about where you're gonna go, because they might not let toddlers in.
00:09:33
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Check out that episode as kind of like a springboard on where to go, but also accommodations are really challenging when you have a large family. Like our family has to get at least two hotel rooms if we travel somewhere. So we also have discovered Airbnb and what we found when we travel is often like say a condo owner.
00:09:52
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is renting their condo out through Airbnb instead of through the condo association. So you get like the exact same accommodations except you're doing it through Airbnb. And we've gotten some really nice accommodations that way because we have to look for something that fits, you know, like 12 people. And you get some really nice ones because usually if 12 people are renting, it means like, you know, four couples or something like that.
00:10:17
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And so anyway, so it's really nice because four couples can afford more than one couple. But anyway, just putting that out there that when we travel as large families, we do have just some little special considerations that we have to take into and keep in mind.
Packing and Activity Planning Tips
00:10:34
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Yeah. And I think Airbnb's can be less expensive because hotel rooms for 12 people, you might need even three rooms.
00:10:41
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And if it's like even 150 of room, like your Airbnb is probably going to be less than that a night. And so I just think it's a more budget friendly way to go. Generally, I mean, of course, check the fees because there are fees involved with Airbnb that can add up.
00:10:59
Speaker
So, you know, you want to watch that, but I do think Airbnb overall is generally a better deal. Yeah. They, they have helped so much more making our vacations affordable, especially cause if you're going to get two or three hotel rooms, how do you divvy up who's in what room and you can't put the naughty troublemakers together because there might not be a parent in that room. We have so many funny stories of like trying to get babies to sleep in a hotel room. Once I put a baby to bed in the bathtub, just a bunch of blankets. And once, once I.
00:11:25
Speaker
Stuck a porta crib between like the curtains and the blackout shades so that she couldn't see us and she couldn't see daylight Just make it work. I love it. You have to get creative, right? Yeah Okay, so we've got a budget we know we're going we've got accommodations now How do we plan what to do this this part for me admittedly is the most overwhelming because I want to plan some activities But not over plan. So tell us tell us yes tips for that. I mean I
00:11:48
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And I will say I have episodes on my site for each of these items and it's like a whole episode for each one. So I'm definitely giving you kind of the abbreviated smorgasbord here today. Um, so if you do want more, you can always head over to my site. So I'm just giving like highlights right now. So, um, but I think planning and booking activities is probably the most fun part of planning a vacation. So first of all, I would say just enjoy that part.
00:12:16
Speaker
I usually research just online, 10 best things to do in Huntsville, Alabama, or wherever it is we're headed. But I think a key to making it really enjoyable for everybody is to not over plan, which is a challenge for me because I really love to see all the great things in a new place. But sometimes that can be too much, especially if you have younger kids,
00:12:45
Speaker
Like it just becomes not quite as fun as you think it might be, you know, when you're planning it. So I recommend that you really just book maybe one main activity a day. And then of course you'll do other activities, but you can kind of fit them in around how moods are working, around meals that you're doing. You know, maybe your family decides that you all want to
00:13:10
Speaker
go zip lining, like everyone's old enough and they weigh enough and like you've reached that point and you're all going to do that. So that could take up your morning, but then that leaves the afternoon for other options. Like maybe you run into somebody at lunch and they are like, Hey, you guys should go check out this beach over here. This is really fun. Or this museum is really great for kids. And I think that it just allows for a little bit of serendipity to happen if you haven't overplanned yourself.
00:13:36
Speaker
So it is hard to resist not planning all the things. But if you're there three or four, five days or whatever, that's still five activities that you've planned. Right. And so that just allows for some time to maybe even have some downtime, maybe even take a nap or let the kids take a nap back at the house, which
00:13:57
Speaker
Even as an adult, I wouldn't mind taking a nap sometimes. That helps make it more of a great vacation because you get to relax and get out and see new things. I love that you start off by mentioning Google 10 best things to do in because I have found some of the coolest things to do that way. It's like there's this great hive mind out there. Why aren't you taking advantage of it?
00:14:18
Speaker
So one of just just real quick here one of the cool things we do and it was kind of one of those if you know you know things was we went in Nashville Tennessee and there's this hotel and you go into the basement and you ask if you can go in the men's bathroom and it's a completely
00:14:35
Speaker
vintage Art Deco men's bathroom in the basement of this hotel. But how would you ever know that otherwise, right? And women and men can go in and like, I don't know if they use it as a bathroom. It's, it's restored. It's really cool. So I love to do that. Like just like find something that's so super cool that nobody else knew about. Yeah.
00:14:55
Speaker
And one other thing that is fun with planning that I have used this year is I've let chat GPT do a little bit of work for me. So I don't know if you guys have tried that out yet. You can get a free account. First mention of chat GPT on the podcast here. It's pretty fun. Um, we went to France this summer and we were going to the lube. And so we, I think my husband typed this in just like, what's the best route to follow in the lube?
00:15:22
Speaker
to see all the best pieces, like highlights. And it gave us a route and told us what pieces to go see. And then this Christmas, we're taking our kids to Christmas markets in Europe. And so I asked ChatGPT to draw out like an itinerary for me, hitting, I gave it a couple of cities and was like, what's the best route to include all of these cities? And then it spit out like an option. And I didn't actually end up following it exactly, but it did give me some ideas and it was just,
00:15:52
Speaker
really fun to use, even if you didn't use any of it. So that might be something you might want to try. It's still kind of new and exciting, but I think it's something kind of fun. Yeah. It's basically like giving your VA like 50 hours to go research all the stuff on Google, right? Just
Importance of Downtime and Flexibility
00:16:10
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accumulates all the best resources. That's so smart.
00:16:12
Speaker
What I was going to say is I love what you're saying about while talking to locals for planning activities. If you don't leave any open time, you can hear something, you know, on the grapevine and not have an opportunity to do it. But some of my favorite experiences have been either unplanned or just really loose ways of taking up time, right? Like we had a free afternoon, so we went for a walk and we found this amazing trail and it was so fun. Something that we wouldn't have necessarily known about until we got there or we got a little bored or so. Yeah, just like life in general, I think structure is great, but
00:16:42
Speaker
Leaving some downtime leaving some free time to just kind of explore so fun Yeah, and one other thing on activities. Sorry. There's so many activities Playgrounds like when our kids were young we loved finding playgrounds Like we went to New York City and every day we were there for like five days We spent a couple hours in Central Park at the playground Like and that was a highlight of our trip and it's not necessarily something that we've planned The kids love playgrounds and everywhere you go. There's gonna be playgrounds. So be sure to check those out
00:17:13
Speaker
whenever you're traveling. And my kids are always on the hunt for a new playground, right? So yeah, totally fun. Okay. Next number five, this one deserves its own. Actually we did a whole podcast episode on it, how it applies to large families because it's pretty significant, but this is packing. Yes. And I've done whole episodes on it too. So, you know, this is just the highlights here, but I'm going to say, just make sure you are making an effort to bring as little as possible.
00:17:42
Speaker
Uh, usually our family travels where everyone only gets one carry-on suitcase and then, uh, and that's flying or driving. And so that there's so many benefits to that one. First of all, you just have less stuff to manage. And if I had 10 kids, I would even make the smaller kids share suitcases, right? Like three of you get one carry-on suitcase and just.
00:18:07
Speaker
like try to bring as little as possible. Like even diapers, you can buy those when you get to your destination. You know, bring a few that you know are going to get you there, but you don't have to like pack the extra large humongous suitcase and all the diapers. Like, I feel like you could run to Walmart almost wherever you are and grab what you need, just to avoid having to haul all of that crap with you through, you know, loading it in the car, loading it on the plane, whatever you're doing. I just think bringing as little
00:18:37
Speaker
as you can. Just makes it so much more enjoyable. I don't have other things, but that's the main thing. We'll just stick to that. That should be like tattooed onto my forehead every time I plan for a trip. Now, I'm, I think by virtue of the fact of having a large family, you, you whittle way down, right? Like, yeah, you three share a suitcase. Plus they have little clothes. They're fine. You can shove it in there or, you know, whatever. We'll cram as many people in as many, as few suitcases as possible. But when I travel by myself or with my husband, it's like, well, I might need that and I might need that. But so smart that things like,
00:19:07
Speaker
even like deodorant, like, all right, so I could have a little travel size or eat, I could even get it when I get there. You know, I don't have to pack everything in the kitchen sink just in case, especially when I'm going to some civilized country that has convenience stores. Brilliant. I know. I mean, I have overpacked, I'm not saying I haven't, but since we have gone to this carry on method, it's been so wonderful. Yeah.
00:19:30
Speaker
Yeah. You can also make a mad dash for a late plane or you can, and heaven forbid it gets lost, which it always does at some point in your traveling journey, less stuff to lose. So, so smart. Exactly. I always have my stuff with me. So that's another bonus. Okay. So should we move on to number six? Let's do it. All right. So next up is healthcare. When you're traveling with kids, someone's probably going to get sick, right?
00:19:55
Speaker
So there are just a few things to keep in mind. I would always bring your health insurance card along with you, or at least a picture. If you're going somewhere, maybe more remote, but really anywhere you're going, look ahead and just see if there's an urgent care near where you're going to be, especially if your kids are really prone to getting sick, just so you kind of know what's in the area. For us, I know when our families traveled out of the country, sometimes our health insurance doesn't work out of the country.
00:20:25
Speaker
You kind of just assume it would, but you probably want to call your healthcare provider and just make sure that your health insurance is going to cover you if you're in Mexico or if you're in Canada or if you're going to Europe, wherever it is. And if they're not going to cover you, I recommend getting some travel insurance that at least includes like, I don't know, the catastrophe type coverage, right?
00:20:52
Speaker
I don't know, your kid breaks their leg and needs surgery. Like you definitely don't want to have to pay for that out of pocket in Mexico or, you know, just things like that. So we have bought travel insurance several times. Luckily, knock on wood, we've never had to use it. But when we're doing these bigger trips out of the country, I think it's good to just make sure that you do have
00:21:15
Speaker
health care plan in mind, just in case. And I think that just gives you peace of mind. And then also just bringing along a small little first aid kit. And I'd keep it basic, like we talked about, you can buy most stuff wherever you are. But if there's something, you know, if one stomach or kids prone to like upset stomachs, bring whatever it is that works for them. So that in the middle of the night, because that's when those things always hit, you know, you're ready to go. And hopefully, it won't be too much of a
00:21:44
Speaker
downer for your vacation. Right. Good tips. Good tips. Okay. Let's move on to something that I absolutely adore about traveling and that's not having to do all the cooking myself.
Meal Planning and Additional Help
00:21:56
Speaker
So let's talk about dining. Yes. Okay. So food is one of the most fun things of vacation. Like I love food.
00:22:06
Speaker
and eating at new places. But when you're traveling with a lot of kids, you definitely do not want to eat out all three meals a day. And really, if you're not traveling with kids, you can't even eat that much. So I would just make a plan to have breakfast and maybe even lunch back at your Airbnb or accommodations. Just bring granola bars or pick up some fun cereal once you get there that maybe you wouldn't normally have at home. But it would be kind of this fun vacation treat to get some different types of food that
00:22:36
Speaker
they might not get at home, make sandwiches for lunch or wraps that you can take with you. And then just pick a place to go out for dinner. I think that really works well when you're traveling with kids because they don't want to sit down at restaurants two or three times a day. Like that would, and that takes a lot of time and it takes a lot of money. So I just recommend kind of having a plan ahead of time. I don't think it has to be like a super strict plan, but just think about
00:23:05
Speaker
you know, what you want to do for your breakfast and lunch and then where you want to go for dinner. And if you have dietary restrictions, you can kind of control that a little bit more if you're doing some of the prep yourself.
00:23:15
Speaker
Okay, okay, here's a frugal large family tip. I just have to share with you. Something we have started doing is we usually rent somewhere that has a kitchen. And so dinner is usually the most expensive meal of the day to eat out. So we will usually cook dinner in and eat either breakfast or lunch out as a family because any meal out is great fun for the kids. And so when we're traveling with our family, that's just a little hack, little frugal hack. Most days, yeah, we eat dinner in and another meal out.
00:23:46
Speaker
I love it. Yeah. One thing I've noticed too, is that for little kids, especially dining out is not necessarily a fun experience, especially if it's unfamiliar food, the younger kids get kind of panicky, like, I don't know what this is. I don't want this, even though I'm always up for eating out. So having at least a couple of meals, it, you know, wherever you're staying can be like, okay, well I know what toast is and I know what oatmeal is. Yeah. I'll eat that. So at least they're eating something. At least they're eating one or two meals a day. Right. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So next tip.
00:24:13
Speaker
is to consider bringing along a nanny or a babysitter with you. I think that could make or break your vacation. You know, maybe even you just bring along like a 12 or 13 year old to help with the kids and you pay for everything that you do on the vacation, but you don't actually have to also then pay them additional, right? So you'll take them out to dinner with you or you'll take them to the museum or whatever it is you're going to do, which still will be an added cost.
00:24:40
Speaker
But then you could work out a deal ahead of time like, hey, two nights on the vacation, you guys will all stay in and my husband and I are going to go out. Or just if you have 10 kids, you probably just want an extra set of hands. And I don't think it would have to cost a lot of money. And there are probably a lot of willing teenagers who would love to go on a vacation and see some new places and then also help out with your kids.
00:25:07
Speaker
Yeah, we went to Disneyland once with a bunch of little children and brought our nanny with us and it was the best decision ever, although we still managed to lose one child.
00:25:15
Speaker
for the record I was on. But you might have lost more if you might have. We only lost one child thanks to having a third set of hands. Good point, Lisa. Oh, my goodness. That is such a genius tip, though. OK. Tell us about how we can organize reservation info and that kind of stuff, because we're always left scrambling.
Organizing Travel Plans and Embracing Imperfections
00:25:34
Speaker
Yes. OK. Especially when you have 10 kids. You do not have time when you're checking in to pull up your reservations and figure all that out.
00:25:44
Speaker
Easy. So there's a couple of ways to go. One is a lot of times when I make reservations, um, I'll just put them on a folder in my Gmail. And then right before we go, I'll just screenshot everything on my phone. So then I can just like flip through, okay, we have our hotel reservations here. This is our car reservation and it's all in one spot. I don't really recommend screenshotting it right when you book it. Cause then it's going to be lost like
00:26:09
Speaker
you know, back three months ago or whatever. So just like the day before you go, you can just quickly screenshot all your reservations and then they're just in your photos and you can just swipe through it really fast. If you don't love doing that, you can always print everything off and just stick it in a folder and stick it in your backpack or something. But I just think having quick access to all your reservations just makes it so much smoother. And if I print them, I just put them in chronological order. So it's like,
00:26:36
Speaker
You know, day one, it's up on the top. And then as I flip through, I can just toss them and have it all organized and ready. All right. And then tip number 10, this one, I think is just a life tip, but especially on vacation. And that is to be flexible. Um, things are never going to go exactly as planned. And so just know that things aren't going to go exactly as planned and that's okay. Maybe something better will come up because of it. Maybe not, but either way.
00:27:06
Speaker
It's okay. You know, you're getting out and you're enjoying time together as a family and you're making memories. And so that's what it's all about. So if some things get rained out or get canceled or you lose a bag, like it's okay. Life will go on. You'll figure it out. You're a smart person. Um, yeah, so be inflexible.
00:27:25
Speaker
And don't you think that the memories that come up with the things that go wrong, quote unquote, are some of the best memories? Like we have an experience we laugh about all the time. We went to a cabin and got completely flooded out. Like we could barely even get out of the canyon because it was so flooded out. But everybody thought it was the greatest thing ever.
00:27:42
Speaker
We saw hail and there was a river running through our street and the kids were like thrilled beyond belief that we got flooded out and we're like, okay, I hope nobody dies. Highlight of the vacation. Yeah, highlight of the vacation. That's a perfect one to end on because it goes right along with our unofficial tagline, right Audrey? Lower your expectations. Lower your expectations. A little bit more. I love it.
00:28:04
Speaker
Yeah, so good. Our last family vacation, we had to be flexible. There was actually a huge freeze coming. And so we actually left a date early on our vacation so that we could be where we were going before that road's iced over. So good, good, good motto to live by for vacationing with a family. Yeah, definitely.
00:28:23
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Okay. Well, thank you so much, Lisa, for joining us. That was so many tips. Now I have to go dive deep on each one of those on your podcast because yes, so much wisdom. Like honestly, I thought, how much do you have to say about travel? But Lisa has so much to say. I love it. So many great tips and lots of good wisdom. Well, thanks for having me. It was so fun to chat with both of you. And this is just a great reminder to get out there and travel with your family, even if it's imperfect, even if things go wrong. And even if, um, you know, sometimes you question your sanity, it will all make memories. It's all worth it.
00:28:54
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That's right. Okay. You can find links to everything we talked about, including Lisa's podcast in a show notes. So we'll, so be sure to check it out and we'll talk to you next week. Thanks for listening friends. Click the link in the show notes to subscribe to our email and never miss another episode. Show us some love by leaving a review on iTunes or sharing the podcast with a friend. Thanks for all your support. We'll talk to you next week.