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The American Craftsman Podcast Ep. 28 | Keith from Two Bit Woodworks
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On Episode 28 of The American Craftsman Podcast, hosted by Greene Street Joinery, we sit down with our buddy Keith from Two Bit Woodworks. Check him out on YouTube and Instagram.
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00:00:17
Speaker
Ain't no shame, but there's been a chain. Welcome, welcome. Yeah, welcome, everybody. Episode 28 of the American Craftsman podcast. Unbelievable. Yeah. Their guest, Keith, from Two Bits Woodwork. Hey, everybody. Two Bit. Two Bit Woodwork. John did the same thing. I do it too. Yeah, we had you here episode nine. So 19 episodes ago. Yeah, back in November. Yeah.
00:00:43
Speaker
in a while. A long while. I mean, I mean, as fast as time goes, you think about it. It's hard to believe all those months have gone by. Yeah, it feels like we've been doing the podcast for like years, I guess, because we do it every week. I mean, that's right. Yeah. So we're we're doing it so often that it feels like we're just constantly doing it. I mean, it's over half a year. Yeah. So. Yeah. Yeah, I think
00:01:13
Speaker
Week 27 was actually the six month mark. The first week we actually did two. We did one on, I think, was it a Tuesday and then we did one on the Wednesday? I forget. Yeah, we did two back to back at the beginning of lockdown, right? Yeah. Yeah, it must have been if it was six months ago, that would be August.
00:01:36
Speaker
Yeah, it sounds about right. And we haven't been a company for that long. So this has sort of been part of our whole our lifespan really doing the podcast. Yeah, yeah, we were less than a year as a company when we started. So
00:01:55
Speaker
Great. Yeah. So now it's deeply ingrained into the stuff. Yeah. We have to start putting like as a line item on clients prices like this podcast allowance. That's four hours, eight man hours a week every week.
00:02:13
Speaker
I know, we'll see if we can get away with that. Yeah, I doubt it. It's hard enough as it is. And Keith is kind of like a local celebrity here on the podcast. Yeah, he's here. He's been here twice. He's been featured at John Peters, right? Yeah.
00:02:29
Speaker
part of the small local network of people that we know a good little network. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of the good guys. Yeah. And getting like getting into the whole clubhouse thing of actually, you know, realize that there's like a lot of people in this area. I don't know. I didn't know a lot of the people that are on there. So it's interesting to meet sort of all these people that are in like Long Island and we'll we'll ask a little bit.
00:02:54
Speaker
a little bit later, but you're going up to the Catskills this weekend for a little event. So we'll talk about that. I know some of those people are going to be there.
00:03:03
Speaker
Well, I guess it's St. Patrick's Day. We didn't say that, did we? No. If you're watching on YouTube. I'm wearing green. Yeah. See, I listen, I was up at three forty five this morning. I was working at four fifteen at my house. I got home. I can't top that. And I got did I get? No, I got dressed before I got dressed when I originally went out. I got home and I was like, oh, it's St. Patrick's Day. I should put on one of my green shirts. And I was like, yeah.
00:03:32
Speaker
No, I'm not changing there might be green ladders on it. Are you wearing it? No, this is my this is my keep craft alive shirt. Okay. Yeah, there's no green on that one. I said it's green Street It's we don't yeah, you're good all year. Yeah Just green on the glass. That's true. I bring green beer. Did you?
00:03:51
Speaker
No. I guess they probably do sell that now. I got the store. I figure one of these craft breweries will come out with it. Green and brown. And on any given day, chances are 50-50 I'll be wearing a green shirt. Yeah, I've got the green and the gray. And this is nice. We're getting right into the beer of the week.
00:04:19
Speaker
Oh, he's St. Patty's Day. Oh, yeah. This is what I think it is. Yeah. Nice. I was I was trying to guess if you were going to bring like an Irish beer or not. Beautiful. And there's more. And they are nice and cold. We we can't seem to tune our fridge to.
00:04:45
Speaker
Cold enough to get beer really cold, but not too cold to freeze everything in there. We've had a couple- One of those warm fridges, that's why. We've had a couple explosions.
00:04:56
Speaker
And Keith is the official bottle opener maker of the podcast. You know, Keith, you probably don't know this, but as a guest, you get one of our official parting gifts. The empty bottles. No, one of these glasses. Does that sound like us? We get five cents each. Got to take your own recycling home. No, you get the official American Craftsman podcast glass. Yeah. All right. Cheers.
00:05:25
Speaker
Happy St. Betty's.
00:05:32
Speaker
I love Smittix. Oh, yeah. Well, we we've been talking about the beer like everyone knows what what's out. So he brought Smittix red ale. It's spelled like Smith Wicks. Yeah. But pronounce Smittix Smittix and Sons Ireland Irish made red ale ruby red brew with a gentle hot bitterness and a sweet malt finish. It's delicious. Yeah. Really hit the spot.
00:06:03
Speaker
It's like a burger beer. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a good choice. Like when you go to like a bar or restaurant, specifically, like you said, like with food, like, and you're going to have a draft beer and they don't really have like a good selection, like, and they have Smittix. It's always a good one to go, go with.
00:06:18
Speaker
It is a place in Long Branch. I go to or I used to go to a lot with one of my old bosses and the Celtic Cottage. We go out there all the time and they've got these really good like fries like chips. Oh, like the round. Yeah. Yeah. Those are good. You go to pub fries or something like that, I think. Yeah. Get a nice black container or something in a burger and some fries. Yeah. Where in Long Branch is that? It's down by West End.
00:06:49
Speaker
Oh, OK. Hmm. I think I don't know. I don't know, like West End. You know, we used to work in Long Ranch, but cop kind of bar. Yeah. Yeah. And I think a beer and a burger. That's good. Yeah, that's a spot. I've had a long day, so. Beer is good. You got the new house, right?
00:07:15
Speaker
Yeah, we closed on Monday. So I've been there Monday night, Tuesday morning, Tuesday night, this morning. I'm not going back tonight. Yeah, you are. I can't. I got to go home. I'll get the podcast up. And then tomorrow morning, I'm going to get my second vaccine. So I got to leave around here like six. So I don't see myself going over before that, but.
00:07:40
Speaker
It's not out of the question. It's been known to happen. Yeah, I was over there at 4.15 this morning. You saw that. It's early. I got no choice. I have to have to get stuff done over there. So it is what it is. That's the young man's game. It is. I'm done. I was telling him I was about 40 when we moved here.
00:08:02
Speaker
And maybe I was 39 and it was, I'd come out on the weekends from New York and I'd sleep in the, in the house and do all the stuff he's doing now, tearing out the wallpaper and the rugs. And, and then I had, because I was a teacher, I had the summer off. Oh, cool.
00:08:21
Speaker
We wound up moving in in July, but I didn't work even after we moved in. I was, you know, just working in the house. And we had the refrigerator out on the porch for like three months, like the Beverly Hill Billy's, you know, like who are these New Yorkers that just moved in with the fridge on the porch? Well, I had to take everything out of the kitchen. And what was I going to do until we got.
00:08:45
Speaker
You know, everything situated won't want to get new appliances. I put the old fridge right. You pick up for later. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My problem is like, you know, my wife works and so she works at a salon and she owns a yoga studio. So she's teaching yoga.
00:09:03
Speaker
And we have a son so it's like we got to juggle about three schedules and our son so it's like I can only get over there at select times you know this morning she had a class at six thirty. So like I had to I had to be home by six o'clock so I don't have a lot of time to spend over there so I got a every little time slot I can fit in I just.
00:09:23
Speaker
And the problem is you can't work up a head of steam. It's like I'm over there for an hour. You can only get so much done in an hour. Like the first 15 minutes, you're kind of bumbling around and trying to get set up. And so if I can get like a full day in there, maybe Saturday, I think I can knock out everything I need to. But, you know, it's a it's a process. Yeah.
00:09:44
Speaker
Never ending. You'll look back on this time in 15 years and chuckle. When you're in your next house. Your next house, you'll be like, hey, remember when we did this 15 years ago? Yeah. Well, interest rates just went up. Yeah, I saw that on the news because we just refinanced and Jeff just got his mortgage. So we really got in. Yeah. I got in 2016. We got a new house.
00:10:12
Speaker
we got really good rates with the BA. That's good. Yeah, I think I think we got like 3% or maybe a little bit less. And I saw my wife said that they're up to like three and a quarter now, which I mean, you're talking quarters of percents. Yeah. Well, you know, a couple hundred thousand dollars. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We had a we got in at like three and a quarter, 15. And then we get these things now with the VA, they'll send out everything once in a while.
00:10:40
Speaker
Oh, you know, redo your interest rate down to 2.85 or something. It's not even worth it with the closing calls. Yeah, that's the thing. It's not worth it.
00:10:50
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, it was how long of a process for you? Three months. Yeah. I mean, we got it at two and five eights. And it took so long that it actually had gone up. You know, my wife, she's tenacious. She's like, no, no, no, I want that right. Yeah, we we were at like two point eight. And then, you know, because this whole it was a nightmare at this house where it was like
00:11:18
Speaker
okay you guys are up and then oh wait no the original buyers still have it and so we went back and forth didn't you like lose it for a week and then yeah so the whole story was like back in November we we went looked at the house we put in an offer and they took another offer so then we said all right listen if it falls through we'll be the backup offer we'll give you a full full asking price
00:11:45
Speaker
So February rolls around and we get a call from our agent and she says, oh, um, you know, the buyers at 37 Bellevue or they're having a hard time, just gave away my address, having a hard time to bleep that out. You know where to find me two on three Wilson Avenue. What town was that? Um,
00:12:04
Speaker
Buyers are having a hard time getting a mortgage. So or they're not going to be able to get a mortgage. Buyers can't get a mortgage. So. So we put in an offer, which was 10 K less than asking. And they said, OK, we'll get the contract signed or something, something to that effect. Then we're waiting, waiting, waiting. It was like maybe a week. They said, oh, actually, we're still contractually obligated with the original buyers. We don't want to kill the deal because of legal reasons.
00:12:34
Speaker
Uh, Thursday at noon is the, you know, we'll, we'll be out. So Thursday at noon rolls around. Rob knows I'm like, we're calling everybody. No answer. This is for like another week. Yeah. They dragged it out. My wife's calling the selling agent calling our real estate attorney, our agent. Nobody's given us an answer.
00:12:57
Speaker
We finally get an answer. Oh, our real estate attorney finally was able to contact their attorney and she sent an email saying, you know, I'm sorry to tell you, but they're doing a cash deal now. So we're like mother. Well, they were stringing him along to broker this cash deal and to try and keep it with the same people.
00:13:19
Speaker
Then I don't know a weekly I get an email, you know, we get a text from our agent on a Friday that said, listen, get all the mortgage stuff in order. I'm not going to say anything until I know this like super cryptic text. And we're like, what the hell is Karen talking about?
00:13:35
Speaker
So then on like Tuesday she finally gets back to us and says cash deal fell through. We're going into attorney review blah blah blah. So yesterday we finally closed. It was like two weeks ago maybe or three weeks ago. So it was a super fast between attorney review and closing.
00:13:55
Speaker
That's great. He's a homeowner. Yeah. Congratulations. Welcome. Thanks. Yeah. The work has begun. You have no idea. We were in our last house for like six years and then we got the bug to move to Howell and one of our friends was out there. I think we put it on the market in September, like September of 2016. September 1st and we were in our new house by November 16th.
00:14:24
Speaker
Well, yeah, because typically it's like what a 60 to 90 day kind of closing period. We sold our own house. So it was by seller. We didn't have an agent or anything. Nice. We got lucky. The day we put it on the market, we had an offer. That's like now. And that was it. And it was great. The girl loved it. Her cousin lived like four houses down. So our biggest problem was finding a house that we liked in hell.
00:14:50
Speaker
Wow. My in-laws are literally across the street in the identical house. They're two of the same houses built in like 1923. Oh nice. Like literally identical. The only difference is ours has a uh the house was either moved at some point
00:15:05
Speaker
where it used to be on like a crawl space and they dug it out and put in a full basement. But literally like the layout of the house you walk in and it's they're just mirror images of one another. It'd be easy for the kid to adjust. Yeah. Yeah. Because he goes there there on Tuesdays and Thursdays. So that's good.
00:15:23
Speaker
You got babysitters right across the street. Can you beat that? Yeah. We're going to have to put some like speed bumps on that street. We're going to go out there in the middle of the night and lay some tall. Yeah. And put a six by six and like tap con it into the street. I caught like a like a forty five on either side.
00:15:42
Speaker
Get some of those neon turtles, you know, kid playing in the street. Yeah. Put them in the middle of the street. Yeah, exactly. Luckily, he's pretty smart. Yeah. People drive so poorly. Yeah. And people use that as like a cut through because it's it's right on 36 and Leonardville over here. I don't know if you know Leonardville, but, you know, people come down that road and then turn to get back out to go on to 36. So.
00:16:07
Speaker
It's not too bad, but just something to think about. Yeah, we'll put some gates up. We lived on a main road in our last house. It was the street shop from Route 35 to Asbury Park. At the end of our road was Convention Hall.
00:16:23
Speaker
oh wow yeah i mean it was great you could ride your bike to the beach you know it took you know it's only like maybe a mile i think less than a mile and we've walked there you know many a times but during the summer traffic yeah you know it'd take you 10 minutes to pull out of your driveway
00:16:41
Speaker
Even here on 36, the traffic going down to Sandy Hook is... Oh yeah, I went to Home Depot in Hazlett one day this summer, and the traffic was backed up at Harmony Road, which is like... or Middle Road, which is... I don't know, it's gotta be what? Five, eight miles north? Yeah, yeah.
00:17:03
Speaker
And the beach is still, I mean, it's not that close. It's close, but it's not that close. So it backs up early. Sunday, I used to live in Highlands and Sandy Hook would close. They would reach capacity and it would just back up from the bridge all the way to like, uh, Atlantic Highlands, like almost like where, where we bought the house.
00:17:25
Speaker
And we would shop on Sundays grocery shopping. So we would have to leave super early and be able to get back home before the traffic would back up. Crazy. So it's nice living at the beach, but it also sucks. We got tired of it. We moved out and we moved like it was like a different state.
00:17:43
Speaker
Asbury is crazy now. Between, like you look at Asbury Park, it's very crowded. There's lots of tourists. There's the beach. And then you look at Howell and it's like farms and people have, you know, your neighbors have goats and, you know, it's. You got it. You got any animals? Two dogs. No, I mean animals. No. An eight year old. I was going to say, got kids. Eight year old. They'll be eight in April. No civilized animals. No, not yet.
00:18:12
Speaker
That was me. When we moved out here from Brooklyn, I thought this was the country. I thought, yeah, I'm going to grow all my own vegetables. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that. I realize how much work it is. Yeah. Yeah. You know, that show Green Acres. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's me. And Acres is the funniest part was I didn't even know how to start a lawnmower. I didn't know it had the the tension release for the blades. I'm like yanking on it and like it's almost done. It's almost done.
00:18:42
Speaker
That's why your shoulder's messed up. It probably dates all the way back then. I bring my brand new lawnmower back to the Home Depot because that was the only store out here then. And some kid comes, you know, teenager basically comes out to my truck and he's like, oh, let me take a look at it. And he pulls the release thing in and starts first pull. It fires up. He's like,
00:19:09
Speaker
And he didn't know that I didn't know what I was doing. He's like, oh, well, there you go. Like, he didn't know I was a mentally challenged urbanite. It's like, oh, you pull that bar and you were low on challenges. They didn't teach you that in Texas. No, not much grass in Texas. No, at least where you were, I guess. Yeah, a lot of hay. I hauled hay, but I didn't have anything to do with cutting it. It was already in the bale.
00:19:36
Speaker
You ever haul hay? You see the hay bales out there in Howell? I have, yeah. You know, it's funny is when I was stationed all over the place. When I first, I was stationed at Fort Riley, Kansas. My first minute that I pulled on, I saw tractors bailing hay and I'm like, this is definitely not New Jersey. It's just on post bailing hay.
00:19:59
Speaker
Yeah, in Texas, at least Central Texas, where I was in high school, it's like a rite of passage job to haul hay because the bales weigh a certain amount. And you have two kids up in the flatbed, then you have two kids down in the field who would toss the bales up. And so it's hard labor, it takes a lot of
00:20:23
Speaker
upper body strength. And so these are rectangular bales. Yeah, they're rectangular bales. And you wear gloves because it's got wire pulled them together. It's hard work. And you get the you know, you got your shirt off because, you know, you got to be showing off all your muscles. I was going to say, it's not those round bales. Some things are like eight feet across like 60. Like, wait a minute. How are they picking those up? He got all that hay scratching. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Sneezing. Yeah.
00:20:53
Speaker
But I had to prove my worth, you know being a city boy that I can do it. You know Otherwise you had to rumble. Yeah Well better get to the tool a week Yeah, we get sidetracked easily. Yeah, so you may have seen I've been posting about these on Instagram This brand like sort of just came across my Instagram feed a couple weeks ago. It's a Montana brand tools
00:21:19
Speaker
So they make everything out in Montana and they specialize in drill bits and drivers. So this is their 25 piece drill and driver set. So this has 6 brad point bits. These brad point bits are really nice. I was drilling a bunch of holes in walnut with them yesterday and they were super clean.
00:21:47
Speaker
This right here, I forget what they're calling this. So on one side is a driver bit and they give you different bits that you can change out. I have a Phillips in here now and this piece actually flips around and it has the countersink on the other side and it just locks in. So you put it into your drill and you have both with you at all times. Now come to find out,
00:22:11
Speaker
When I started as a trim carpenter, like I used to see a lot of the old timers had something like this. And on a post today, someone was saying, oh yeah, my father had one that was a craftsman like that. And Montana Tool commented, they actually made them for craftsmen like before they started the company Montana Tool. So they've been around for a long time. They have one too that takes like a self-centering hinge bit and a driver on the other side. So you can do your hinge plates and stuff.
00:22:41
Speaker
you know, butt hinges on a door, but pretty cool. That's neat. Yeah, all made in Montana, made in the USA. So this 25 piece set has the six brad point bits, half inch, three A's, five sixteenths, quarter, three sixteenths and eighth. It has that four and one, I think they call it. Drill driver combo.
00:23:06
Speaker
Two more sizes of countersink for that. They give you extra drill bits. One, two, three, four, six different bits. A one, two Phillips, one, two square and looks like a 15 out of 20 torques and two tapered plug cutters. This is like 25 bucks or something. That's awesome.
00:23:26
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, nice case, got a metal pin for the hinge, which is something I always look at. Yeah. Like I have a Makita thing like this that I keep in my I want to check it out in my install kit. And it was more expensive than that. And it's like it's so chintzy. The little clips are like this like brittle plastic. And it's just it's hard to find a nice like little combo kit like that. That's yeah.
00:23:54
Speaker
Yeah. And those, they have that centering thing. So you can actually use them with like a hand drill and it doesn't walk all over the place. Yeah, that's handy. Yeah. You guys check them out. Montana brand tools. We like it because it's good and also because it's made here in the States. Yeah. Yeah. And it's priced. I mean, super fair. Yeah. Yeah. Very nice. Yeah. It's a nice little thing, especially if you're like going out on a job site.
00:24:25
Speaker
keep it in the truck or something like that because it's got all the little basic stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I really like these Brad point bits for the Joe press. Yeah.
00:24:36
Speaker
Yeah. They cut nice and clean. I got a similar kit as well. Yeah. Yours, I think has what? Regular drill bits in it. Yeah. Yeah. Jeff got the, he snagged those Brad points. Well, I said, which one do you want? He said, you pick it. Don't ever say that. You set yourself up for that one. Yeah. I know Jeff would appreciate it more than me. Well, we, we had been talking about getting some Brad point bits. Yeah. Um,
00:25:07
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I'm totally totally stoked on these. Even just giving you the extra bits. Yeah, that's a nice classy touch, right? Like another company that we like. I won't say who. To get because I break I break the bits all the time in the self centering.
00:25:27
Speaker
self centering bits. It's like 20 bucks to get three replacement bits. So I just end up buying. I have I think what 13 of those self centering bits because it's cheaper just to buy the three pack than to buy the drill bits. So it's nice. They give you you know give you the bits and I don't know. They seem like a good company. Check them out. Montana brand tools. Yeah.
00:25:56
Speaker
Montana weather work on that not a sponsor. No, I mean they sent us they sent us that for free. Yeah, fully fully this full disclosure But we still we we like it anyway. Yeah, I mean I would buy one to trade out for that Makita. Mm-hmm. I'll give that to like I'm gonna say my wife but no I'll take it home and use it as the house. Yeah, I got like a crappy drill at home. Well It's actually it's not it's been downgraded to house duty. Yeah, you have tools like that. I
00:26:25
Speaker
I'm in my house. All tools are dual purpose. Yeah. All you got to do is walk out to the shop. I know, but I'm, you know, me, I got to have tools in inside the house. Yeah. So I'll stop inside and out here too.
00:26:40
Speaker
We got to fix up that garage I got. We could have Green Street satellite location. That's right. Before he gets his kitchen, we're fixing up that garage. Yeah, why not? Well, here's the problem. It needs to be reframed in some parts and framing lumber is too expensive right now. It really is. We were just talking about that this morning. I was going to achieve the walls in my shop. I mean, it's just sheetrock. We did the installation last year, I think, or the year before.
00:27:07
Speaker
And it really helped. But you know, I wanted something a little different on the walls. And I got this quarter inch plywood, which is, you know, it's not great. It doesn't do anything really except make it look nice. So I wanted to change it out and put plywood up or OSB. I mean, even in a sheet of OSB now is like $40. That's like a four by eight sheet used to be about 24.
00:27:29
Speaker
Yeah, I think there were times before even like going back maybe 10 years where they were like less than like 15. Yeah. Yeah, I went to look at price it out. I'm like, Oh, okay. I'm not doing that anytime soon.
00:27:40
Speaker
Yeah, we've been lucky. I haven't really noticed much of a difference in like the finish ply, but now the building materials are insane. Yeah. Two by fours. I see people selling framing material on like Facebook Marketplace. Yeah. They're like, I got two by six by 16. Twenty dollars apiece. See, now you know it's artificially raised because. Oh, yeah.
00:28:03
Speaker
Our stuff is coming from the same places like, you know, the the warehouse or in Georgia Pacific. They're making all that same plywood and our prices haven't really been impacted like that. Do they do they make that?
00:28:17
Speaker
Yeah, the big companies. They make company or stuff? That I guess I shouldn't say. I shouldn't say that they do for sure. I don't know one way or another. I never thought of it that way. I think they do. Places like Atlantic, plywood and everything like that. Their big deal is like that. But it only goes to show you that
00:28:39
Speaker
They need more, you know, this is what people are buying. Yeah. So they jack those prices, seizing the opportunity. Yeah. Yeah. But his home and doing work, you know, projects, home projects. I did that shed ramp and I couldn't find two by sixes for like the frame. I ended up using two by fours and doubling them up. You know, I now have since bought two by sixes to, you know, do it in the spring, change it out. But I had to have something for the winter.
00:29:06
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Like we built a deck and it must have been right before everything got really because it was actually it was reasonable. Yeah. It was like, I don't know, twenty five hundred dollars a material or something. That was for pressure treated. You know, a lot of two by twelve, ten, twelve, eight. That's including all the hangers and everything and all the decking.
00:29:31
Speaker
Was it wet? Oh yeah, always is. Yeah, I mean, John and I were talking about it and I was, you know, you drill in. Water comes out. Water just comes out. The screw goes halfway through the board. We call it water. It's just poison. Water with quotation marks around it. Liquid.
00:29:52
Speaker
Yeah, I saw a thing like people like the people that work at Home Depot aren't allowed to cut pressure treated because of like OSHA regulations. Like it's it's literally that bad. It's terrible for you. Yeah. Yeah. They're really, really wet and they're handy, too. Yeah. Yeah. Remember some of those two by twelve? We had 20 foot two by twelves. Yeah.
00:30:09
Speaker
I've got 10 foot, two by sixes in my garage. And they're all standing up, because some of them were warped. But you can see like, you know, starting to get like this is ridiculous. Yeah, and it's probably all going down to the bottom. Yeah. So I'll just cut it off.
00:30:26
Speaker
Yeah, we're thinking kind of lucky with that material, I think. Yeah, we got it from builders. I mean, it was yeah, it was good quality. A lot of stuff was really straight. And yeah, we didn't go to the box store for it. We went to, you know, like a local lumber yard. That's where you got to go. Yeah. And they, you know, drop it off for free. The guy snaked right where your truck is. He dropped it like off of a flatbed. He was able to get the thing back there and get it turned around and
00:30:55
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and just drop the whole stack right there. Yeah, I backed in this time. I wasn't pulling in again. Did you pull in the one driveway and then? No. You pull in. There was no one behind me on the road. Oh, yeah. If you pull in this driveway, you got the little loop now. Oh, you do. Yeah. You didn't tell me that. You rented a bobcat. Yeah.
00:31:11
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Adam, you get more stone in the next month or so so I can really finish it off. I hope that it raises the prices of stone. Oh, yeah, everything's probably it's like they're already talking about raising the gas prices. They're saying, well, you know, people are going to be traveling now and restrictions. So look for those gas prices to be going up. Just stop driving so much. Well, ridiculous, ridiculous.
00:31:39
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Well, where are we at the grave of the week? Yeah, you know, it's like.
00:31:43
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Life is so good, I feel guilty about having a gripe. When you have one. Well, you know, I have a lot. I mean, just talking five minutes ago, two seconds ago, we were griping right before the show. I could easily say, you know, opportunistic price gouging is my gripe of the week. You know, it's it's tough on the working man. We're just trying to do things. You know, if you're the poor guy, that's
00:32:12
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lost his job or had his hours cut because of the quarantine. He's home. He wants to do something around the house, save some money. The price of two by fours and, you know, OSB is through the roof. And so there's my gripe. That's what it is. Right, Jeff? Price gouging. Price opportunistic price gouging. Like how many of you got rolls of toilet paper in the garage, you know, and stuff like that.
00:32:41
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You got a pretty big stockpile, but I got a stockpile. Well, you know, my wife just bought it. She buys the big one anyway. Jeff goes down to the basement. He goes, you got any batteries? What do you think? The first I got like D batteries in there. Who keeps those around? It's not even anything that uses those. I didn't go out to the store to get those. Yeah. We got his trucks in the attic. What do you think? First time you saw my battery supply? Yeah, man.
00:33:09
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And they were good batteries, too, not like the Kodak ones that come in like a package of twenty four dollars. We have every battery made down there in large supply. Really? Yeah. Not the big box store brand. No, I have like Sunbeam or like whatever's cheap.
00:33:25
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BJ's are Costco brand. Yeah. So like the you know, the remote in the living room needs batteries like every month because they're so bad. You got Joe's discount battery. They're going to like hit the remote to get to work. That's like when I was a youngster playing music in New York. The guitar pedals were all nine volt batteries. They still are. But back then we had to put batteries in and we didn't have these big daisy chains and fancy power supplies.
00:33:54
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Um, so it would, we would buy these knockoff duracelles on the street in New York. You could get knockoff anything. Yeah. You know, and you'd get them for 99 cents, but it would be like duracell at one L or something.
00:34:11
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the right
00:34:32
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the gripe of the week, start talking about what's good and what was the high point of the week, something good, you know? The un-griped. The un-griped of the week. Yeah. It may be timed for maybe like a layout shift. Yeah, layout change. Yeah. You know, half a year in. Yeah. That's a good idea. So if you guys out there listening have any suggestions? Keep it to yourself.
00:34:59
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No, yeah, let us know that we had the book of the week. You know what? Yeah. Is that Shaper book in here? Yeah, the Shaper by brought inside so that I could start reading it. Well, talk about next week. Yeah, essentially just your instruction manual. No, no, it's literally called the Shaper book. It's just it might not be relevant for a lot of guys because just a lot of people don't run shapers, I guess. But it's a ton press book.
00:35:21
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Yeah, which those taught in press books are great. They're just like straight to the point. Like I sat down two times and read the read the whole book. It's just real factual. There's no fluff. It's just like this is a shaper. These are the parts. Here's how you use it. Here's how to not lose your hands and shaper. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, did you see that big bit that was sitting? Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's I personally never used it.
00:35:50
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We never really used them either. No, not a big one like this. We've had little ones with just like router. Yeah, it's basically a fancy router table. We never run. You know, an inch and a quarter instead of a half inch. So you can spin obscenely large with the one in there is it's like six inch diameter.
00:36:13
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Yeah, it's when you turn that thing on and that it's intimidating start spinning. It's yeah, it's a little scary routers for me are always the most like a lot of people say all the table saw is the most intimidating. I would say the router table router bits shapers. That's just a lot of metal.
00:36:33
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Spinning at a high velocity. Yeah, like the the rim speed on some of these big bits. So like that that machine goes up to 10,000 RPMs. Now that's at the I guess the center or let's just say it's the outside of the inch and a quarter spindle. Well, you get three inches away from that at the edge of the bit. The rim speed is actually way more. I don't know the mathematics behind it, but it's like you're talking like in the twenty thousand thirty thousand RPMs.
00:37:03
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That's a lot. Yeah. Like a bicycle wheel. Yeah. All right. So as you guys know, Keith is here joining us. Thanks for having me back. Thanks for coming. Yeah. Drove all the way in. I couldn't have fasted up on that. You brought us to Smittix. Yeah. Yeah. It's always good to have a guest who's generous like Keith. You know, brings the beer, brings the opener. Yeah.
00:37:31
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Things been getting good use. We haven't had a bottle in in a couple weeks Yeah, we've been on the can kick lately, but we've had that bottle opener out plenty. Yeah, well Tim brought he brought a couple different beers and Got two weeks out of that. Yeah, if we didn't have a guest this week would have been drinking the other one that's in there
00:37:50
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They're like, what do you mean? We don't have to leave the shop to go get beer? What happened to this one? Was there a quarantine going on? Jeff and I didn't know there was a quarantine. Yeah, I actually had my first like social function coming up since this whole thing in May. Well, I won't say because I don't think this guy listens to the podcast, but a friend's birthday is coming up and I probably just gave it away if he doesn't.
00:38:17
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I highly doubt he listens to the podcast. But yeah, I got a invite to like a surprise party and I'm like, man, this will be like the first time I'm going out for like a some kind of social thing. And yeah, a long time. I don't miss it.
00:38:31
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I miss the events. So, you know, workbench, make your camp and like all these other events, we get together with like minded people and just, you know, shoot the crap and just talk shop and, you know, just interact. Right. Was a perfect segue. Why don't you tell us where you headed this weekend?
00:38:53
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This weekend, I'm headed up to the Blackthorn Resort in the Catskills up in East Durham, New York, and they're doing a hammer in blacksmithing event. And they're going to be doing a, I think they're going to be doing an event something different, or maybe just a hammer in every month, up until October, which is the actual maker camp.
00:39:14
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So I'm looking forward to that. And the Maker Camp was canceled last year, but the year before I went, and it was just, it was a blast. I had so much fun, met all these different people, and it was just a good time. Yeah, we were in a clubhouse, like right before we started earlier, and they were talking about who's in there. Luke. Lucas? Yeah. Not Lucas Mann, Luke, who does the blacksmith thing. I don't know his last name. Smith, maybe?
00:39:41
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Okay, his wife is they do the May for makers. Okay. Yeah. I don't know him very well, but he was saying he's going to be up there and then they were talking about maker camp. And like I was telling you, I would I would totally be going this weekend if it wasn't for just buying this house and I got to be in there.
00:40:04
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doing all kinds of work, but, uh, I'm interested in maybe going to, to maker scam. It was, it was great. I mean, it was, and it's not expensive. Like if you go to, um, you know, some of these other woodworking events, they're, they get pricey, you know, get airfare and hotels and just the event itself or.
00:40:23
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Yeah, workbenchcon, it's like a thousand dollar weekend. Or more. What goes on at Bankers Camp? Last year they had just different stations set up. They had Steve Pellegrino was making knives. They had a couple people doing blacksmithing.
00:40:47
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Ellen Durkin was doing blacksmithing she's an amazing blacksmith and a couple people teaching welding people doing like turning with wood and Paul Jackman was down there and he was doing stuff so I mean
00:41:04
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They were doing learning how to turn pens, you know, so it's something from even, you know, from turning a pen to, you know, welding in blacksmithing, forging a knife. Yeah. So it's, it was, it was a really interesting, fun weekend. It's pretty cool.
00:41:19
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Yeah, what's the format? Is it like sort of freeform where you just walk around? It was freeform. It was just kind of if you wanted to just hang out and then you just hung out. And it was fun because, you know, a couple other people were just like starting to do their own little thing, but not part of the bigger deal. But they were just doing their own little thing that someone was making. I think it was Jimmy, the rest of his sister was starting to make
00:41:41
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jewelry. So everybody was starting to like get in on that too. It was just, you know, it's a very collaborative, creative weekend. It was fun. How many, like how many people are there? I think there was, it depended on the day. Cause you can go up for like a day or the weekend. I did the weekend.
00:42:00
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say maybe around 100 150 maybe it's a lot of people yeah maybe that much it wasn't you know it wasn't like a workbench con yeah yeah it was still I don't know how many people were at workbench con yeah maybe
00:42:15
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500. I don't know. Yeah. When I went, it's hard to judge. I went not this last year. I went the year before and it was okay. All right. Yeah. Um, we've been talking about it in clubhouse because, uh, Johnny Johnny laws would shop maybe. So I'm butchering people's names constantly as to what they're
00:42:36
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I got a business to run. That's all right, Jim. That's all right, Jim. No problem. Yeah. Johnny Law and a couple of other guys, they're like, they want to bring something like that to the West Coast. They've been kicking around. We've been talking about like, what did you like about WorkbenchCon? What did you not like? Like, I wanted more class time. The classes were great. But then there was like three hours a day where you're supposed to just like walk around and like talk to people. Like, I already met everybody. Yeah. Like, there's only 12 12.
00:43:02
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sponsors here. How many times can I walk around this thing? My business card again. Yeah. Like I'm not even I'm not even interested in talking to you at all as it is like I'm here to learn. So can we just like add another class that way I don't have to like try and mingle for two hours. So the the one year I was going to go I didn't I went to workbench con and I didn't go to spring make.
00:43:29
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And I was like, all right, you know, maybe next year. And then I was gonna go to workbench.com. So you know what, I'm not gonna go to workbench.com. I'm gonna go to, I don't remember what they call it this past year, but it wasn't spring, it was something a little different. And I said, I'll do that. And then they canceled it because of COVID. I'm like, I didn't get anything this year. But I do remember sprue make was a lot more of the
00:43:53
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It was maker summer school this year. That's what it's gonna be. Oh, I remember hearing about that. And but it's that was just all, you know, you go learn woodworking, you go learn your welding or metal and forging it. So there was a whole bunch of different that was more classes. Yeah, that's more hands on learning. It was a lot different, very different format than workbench gone.
00:44:18
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Yeah like with the internet I don't need to be like face to face to communicate with like if I wanted to so they if you don't know what workbench con is it's like a what would you call it for content creation and how to how to
00:44:35
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Basically the classes are focused around how to work with brands and stuff like that. It's a convention. It really is a convention. They have breakouts. Four different things. So there's brands there. SawStop was there. Rockler, Woodcraft, Craig.
00:44:55
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Craig Jig, Total Boat Epoxy, Bessie, actually no, they had Jorgensen when I was there. Bessie was there when I was there. Yeah. Who else? Wall Control, Firm Grip Gloves, and Power Pro Screws.
00:45:11
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They all have these booths and there's whatever, maybe 12 or 18 different brands. And, um, I forget where I was going with this, but you know, they expect you to mingle with these brands and talk to the reps. And I just go on Instagram and send you a message. If I want to talk to you, like, I don't need to get this face. It's good to get a little bit of a face to face, you know,
00:45:28
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But it's like three hours a day for three days. Well, if you hit them up at least once every day, you know, they'll remember you. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't do much of that. You know, you're talking about what goes on up there in the Catskills and it made me think about like when I was in high school, we did stuff like that, that they removed completely from the curriculum.
00:45:50
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In metal shop, we made screwdrivers from scratch. They taught us how to temper the steel, how to turn the handles on a lathe, how to, you know, do all this stuff as a as a kid. And now there's just no place for this as you have to go up to the, you know,
00:46:14
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These things as an adult and it's it's really a shame that we've lost this in the school system.
00:46:22
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Yeah, the trades. The trades are hurting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we can't even find a kid to sweep the shop. No. Like we've had some kids, but they just can't. Two and a half. He's got about another six years probably before he's going to be near sweeping. Yeah. There have been a few that the spirit is willing, maybe, but the body is weak.
00:46:47
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Or could it be the other way around? No, yeah, the body's fine. Yeah, the body's willing. It could be our, you know, our expectations are pretty high. And I forget what it took to train the first two kids that I had. I mean, the amount of hands on time I spent with them. And I don't think I have that type of energy anymore. It's not even called energy, it's patience.
00:47:16
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That's what it is. Like patience is just give me the broom. I'll do it. And that's where I'm at. I get that sometimes with my son. I do. I get impatient. I'm like, I'll just do it. It's like only sweep every two weeks now. Yeah. I used to have the shop swept three and four times a week. And the place was spotless. I'd leave. He'd come in. He'd put all my tools away, sweep up. He'd vacuum everything. It was
00:47:44
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pristine in here. But it took a couple of years to get to that point. The last kid said, I keep sweeping but the dust just keeps coming back. Go figure. Sweep harder. Are you sweeping the right direction on the mats? Yeah, the mats have grooves on them. He couldn't figure out like sweeping against the...
00:48:10
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I've noticed problem solving today's younger generation is needs some work. Yeah. Yeah. Like when I was 13 or whatever, like I worked every literally every day after school and on the weekend. Yeah.
00:48:25
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I don't know. I feel old saying like that kids aren't the same now because I'm not that old. Well, they're not. But I mean, they're really adept at all these things that are taking place on the computer and electronic devices that they just they take to like a fish to water. But I've had it described to me that the kid who's correcting the parent on how to, you know, work the cell phone can't open the ham
00:48:55
Speaker
package, you know, because it's got like a zip lock on it or something. What is that? Yeah. And that's not it. You just text me the ham. Yeah. Yeah. That's not a joke. That was a real story to get into that.
00:49:10
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You gotta make a TikTok video about how to open the package. Then they'll learn. I'll just do a YouTube video. Oh, God. I did our first Instagram reel today. Yeah. Which, you know, I guess is the hot thing right now. A little late to the party. I didn't even know what it was. Yeah.
00:49:27
Speaker
posting on Instagram for me is very hard every day because it's not what I do full time. Yeah. So it's hard to like find something to post every day. It's hard and we do it full time. Sometimes you know what it is. It's like what what is cool to other people.
00:49:46
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Like if you do if you build furniture every day like what I think is cool is different than people that just like kind of follow it as like a hobby or follow it just because they like it like
00:49:59
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This is all just kind of pedestrian to us because it's what we do all the time. Right. So it's hard for me to find something that I find interesting to put up. And it's hard to get past that. You know what I mean? Like I don't want to put something up that I don't find interesting because I think that other people. Yeah. Right. It just feels kind of fake. The plane shaving the curls off the. Oh God. Yeah.
00:50:23
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That's just stuff we had to sweep up. Like every now and then that's cool, but like if the lights coming in through the window and the bronze is glistening on the plane, it's like I might snap a shot and put it up. But yeah, I'm not curating, walking around the shop, trying to curate a picture. It's just, it's not real life. A lot of it's regurgitating it too, back in the day. You can go and look at some of these bigger accounts.
00:50:50
Speaker
and you just you know you quickly scroll through and you're going to see the same photo like seven eight times. Well that guy that Rob is referring to it's like just an iteration of the same picture every two days for three weeks like a curl coming off of a chisel like that's like a Fibonacci spiral like okay we've all seen that.
00:51:11
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But, you know, it's got like two hundred and seventy five thousand followers. I mean, yesterday, it's working. Yeah. I had a plane down thirty two slats, two sides of sixty four. That's not. That's just work. Yeah. That's three years worth of Instagram posts.
00:51:34
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My fingers were starting to hurt, you know, it's like when am I gonna get through this stack? That's what it's that's the difference. Yeah Yeah, and like today so I was making there over there the shaper templates for these these glue ups over here and So I was bending a piece of a sec to try and get this one inch offset. We had the steam thing out again and I had this
00:52:00
Speaker
this outside radius it's a straight run and then two four inch corners four inch radius corners and then two straight runs and I couldn't get a tape on it obviously because I don't have a we don't have a flat tape in here whatever so I took a piece of
00:52:15
Speaker
blue tape and put it on it and trimmed it and then I put it on the piece of Azek so I could cut it to length. And I'm like, man, that's a really good tip. But I don't have time to stop everything I'm doing and say, hey, guys, I got a new tip for you today if you want to measure it. I just had to get it done. So there's all these little missed opportunities to.
00:52:33
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John talks about that a lot when when we're together, that when he would come here to just film, he would he was, you know, like really because he didn't have to do both things. Yes. It's like this is great. All I have to do is film. I don't have to set it up. Do it. Go back. Yeah. Got to like turn off the music, turn off the dust, the dust collector, heater, everything. Yeah. Yeah. It's a pain.
00:53:01
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I do that with filming all my videos. It's the same thing. It's you know, it's a process. It takes longer to do it. It's like changing out that joiner head. It should have taken me 20 minutes. You got to change the shot around 20 minutes. It should have taken me. But it's like unscrew this bolt, move the camera, unscrew that bolt, move the camera, you know, do this. Then you're like, oh, wait, I didn't get this. I got to go back in.
00:53:24
Speaker
Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Some of the things we did with John even had to be re shot after. Yeah. Days later, like where we're trying to get like voice over audio so he can use one clip. But the audio from a different one. So we're like trying to recreate a situation like a situation that happened. It's pretty crazy.
00:53:44
Speaker
It for me, like if I'm going to shoot a video, it has to be something that's planned out prior. It can't just be like a spur of the moment or I can't interrupt the workflow of what we're building these client things to make a video. It's just it's not feasible. There's not enough money in the job, first of all, to muddy it up with. Right. Trying to film it. Yeah.
00:54:07
Speaker
That's it. We don't really earn enough to spend twice as long to build something. Yeah, it does take twice as long, for sure. Speaking of which, you want to join our Patreon? We could get about another couple dozen of you guys. As little as five dollars a month. Or three, actually. Or mine. Or keys. That's right. Throw out your address and everything. TwoBitwoodWorks.com.
00:54:32
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the more the merrier we're very very supportive community oh yeah yeah absolutely um we always say a rising tide raises all ships that's right that's right um so should we ask keith about the surgery at first yeah yeah i think we touched on it when you were here the first time that you were getting ready to have the surgery because it must have been
00:54:55
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It's like maybe a week before, a couple, two weeks, three weeks before. I think I was here at the beginning of November. I got it done on like the middle of November, the 18th of tomorrow. Yeah. So it's done. Tell everybody what it was. So I had a shoulder, I knew it was going to get a new shoulder, shoulder replacement. The doctor wasn't sure if I was going to get a primary, which is just kind of normal. They, you know, ball socket where it goes.
00:55:18
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or reverse. If you have a lot of cuff damage, what they'll do is they'll take the ball and put the ball on your shoulder and the cuff on your arm. Hmm. Hmm. I was like, I don't know if I want to be backwards. They're like, yeah, you know, human anatomy. We're just going to tweak it. Yeah.
00:55:33
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So I was like, I don't, you know, I don't really want that. Why is that a possibility? That's what I want to know. If you don't believe in God, right? Like you like to design them. Like, I guess if the cuff was just really bad, they would just give you like a new thing. And it was just the way it is. But yes, he was in there like, there's like a leg. That's a double reverse shoulder placement.
00:55:58
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They did a good five, six hours, I think, total for the surgery, they ended up doing a full replacement. They also did
00:56:09
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cuff, like a rotator cuff surgery, as well at the same time. And they also moved my right bicep muscle, just to kind of keep everything in tight. So I was in triple surgery all in one. It was wasn't wasn't fun. I ended up staying overnight. I had a little bit of a complication during the surgery. So I ended up staying over instead of going home the same day.
00:56:34
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So after all that, a complication, it's still only one night in the hospital one night. Yep. Holy cow. Physical therapy two weeks later. And then I was in a sling for six weeks, couldn't drive for six weeks.
00:56:49
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Didn't you say they had you moving the same day, right? Or the next day? No, because of the all the different things they did, I couldn't move it for six weeks. OK. Wow. No. So yeah. So no physical therapy wasn't right away. It was definitely after that. I had to. So you have one of those slings where your arm is like. For six weeks. Tight to the body kind of thing. Yeah. Couldn't do anything with it. You know, I hope you're a back sleeper.
00:57:15
Speaker
We actually bought a recliner. So one of those. Yeah, I mean, there was no way I was going to sleep in the bed. Yeah, it was just it wasn't going to happen. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I must roll over a thousand times. And yeah, me too. Because my back starts to hurt and then I roll the other side. Yeah. Then it hurts on that side. I broke my collarbone three different times. And that's one of the things is you have to sleep on your back during that time. So I got some bigger tattoos. And when you get tattooed, it's like
00:57:45
Speaker
First it hurts and then finally like it stops hurting like you know you roll over in your arm like it hurts a little bit and then then it's fine but you wake up and there's just like a big ink stain all over the sheets. Yep. Yeah. So I mean I'm not in the recliner anymore I'm back in the bed but I'll wake up and want some fingers and still be a little numb. Really. It's a long recovery. Oh yeah. Two days a week physical therapy. I've been doing that.
00:58:10
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How long we got you going? An hour, 90 minutes? An hour. Yeah. So we're into strengthening now. And, you know, so it's I have a lot more mobility now than I did before the surgery. So that's a plus. I mean, there's still that pain there, but I mean, it's that's you were probably used to that. Yeah. We're actually like trying to train the muscles to not because my you know, my trap is, you know, when I lift my shoulder that moves with it. So we're trying to like.
00:58:38
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I slowly it's weird because they're like move the bottom of your shoulder blade. I'm like, how can I move? That's really specific. Yeah, like move this muscle here. My wife says stuff like that to me because she's a yoga instructor. She's like, yeah, like something like that. Like, oh, yeah, flex your your shoulder blade. I'm like, what? Yeah, I just I.
00:58:59
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reach forward. I can do that. Right. Yeah. Take a step. Yeah. She's amazing. She could do all those positions and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. He's, you know, like pushes on my shoulder blade and he's like, all right, now push back and down. I'm like, all right. Did that did that do it? Like, I don't know. I can't even tell my like physical therapist where my knee hurts. I'm like, it just just hurts. Yeah. Like it's hurt for 15 years. I don't know where anymore. It's just it hurts. Yeah.
00:59:25
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He was stretching out like the first time he did it. My you know, my hand was like behind my head. I'm like, I haven't done that in 20 years. And you know, he was, he did something it like tweaked and it hurt. He's like, Where does it hurt? I'm like, my shoulder. Inside out. I'm like, I don't know my shoulder. I didn't know
00:59:45
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Yeah, you just you get used to it. You know, after a while, like you just deal with part of life, deal with the hurting. Yeah. I mean, Rob's in physical therapy. I'm a physical therapist. Well, for real, I heard physical therapy. Man, the insurance companies are cashing in. It's the thing to do, I guess. Yeah. Well, I mean, these injuries like mine was about four years ago. And the first question they ask is, did you go to the doctor? And they're like, no.
01:00:11
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Why not? I don't know. Why not? You know, you're just too busy living life. You keep going until it gets to where you can't go anymore. That's you know, thankfully, it wasn't as serious as as your guy's injury. But it's still like when it's hard to hold up a cup. That's when I knew it was when I picked up my son gave me his big dad coffee mug. You know, it's huge. And you know, I picked it up one day and it like.
01:00:37
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was clicking and it wasn't going all the way up. I'm like okay so it's time to go see the doctor now. I can't even lift a cup of coffee yet.
01:00:44
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Yeah, I was getting weird, like a cute and like knee pain where just out of nowhere, like I would get a really bad like kneecap pain. And I had a physical and I was like, yeah, like my knees been bothering me. And they said, you know, just try before going to orthopedics, like just go to physical therapy twice a week for a couple of weeks and see my knee does feel a lot better. Yeah. And doing like I'm doing
01:01:10
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The same things now, but with more weight and it's easy way easier than when I started. Like it's it's amazing to to realize how weak your like leg can actually get. Yeah, it's same thing here. We were talking this morning because we're doing these exercises, as you know, until like it's failure. But I'm working with like a two pound weight, you know, and my arm is like shaking.
01:01:37
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Yeah, he brings it to physical therapy, like, and I'm laying down, he stretches for like the first 20 minutes, and then he brings out the weights. And I'm like, that's a new color. I don't want that color. That color looks like it's heavier than the last color. Yeah, I'm on three pounds now. I'm like the ankle weight. I'm like, how could three pounds feel so heavy? I'm only doing three sets of 10. I used to leg press. I'm not kidding, like over 1000 pounds. Now I'm doing like 160 on the thing. My legs are hurting. That's how your knees got messed up. Yeah, I know.
01:02:05
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I was like, yeah, I used to do the ones like where you're like angled on your back. She's like, oh, yeah, that's terrible for the knees. Yeah. Yeah. So this is this is where we're all. She's like, don't lock your knees out. I'm like, wait, you're not supposed to lock your knees out. Oh, man. So has anything changed for your workflow since surgery? You know, what's better, what's worse?
01:02:28
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I think I started doing small stuff in the shop just about a month, month and a half ago, I think I was doing like a set of dog stairs for a client. And it was just kind of getting me back in the shop and building, doing something not lifting heavy sheets of plywood. It was just little things. And since then, I've also been doing little projects like doing a pack out box or doing, you know, the joiner upgrade or just did one on the table saw.
01:02:55
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So it's just little things to kind of get back in do something but without, you know, you work by yourself. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's, that's one of the critical differences. Now when I hurt myself originally, I worked by myself. And just doing things like picking up something heavy, or getting a full sheet of ply with these are the things that re aggravate the injuries all the time.
01:03:22
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Yeah, I mean, there's so much stuff around the shop where it's like, we could do it ourselves, but it's just so much, it's easier and faster to just say, hey, Robbie, I mean, lifting up these, those are the chaise lounge bases there. And that's, what is that, two pieces of three-quarter and a piece of three-ace plywood. So that's like a full sheet of three-quarter and a half a sheet of three-ace all sandwiched together. So to pick that up by yourself, it's pretty heavy.
01:03:49
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And I was here finishing him one day while where I think you were getting my shot in your vaccine. I had to move a good guess. But no, I was getting my shot and they were heavy. Yeah. Like, yeah. And you run the risk of dropping something and messing it up and like lifting up these cabinets, stuff like that. Just so much easier. So we just wait till the other person looks up and and and I know exactly how you feel at home. You know, you can't really do these things.
01:04:16
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It's like, Oh, how do I move this now without hurting myself? So that's why I've been doing little small stuff. You know, I've got a pretty decent size coffee table build that I'm going to do. Oh, that white oak one. Yeah. Nice. Let's see how that goes. It's going to be like a bigger project. Let's start getting back into the house stuff too. Slowly. Yeah. What are the, what do they tell you about your prognosis? Like what you could expect as far as milestones? Um, they said full,
01:04:47
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full quote unquote, you know, as good as it gets you mean pretty much 32 weeks. I'm always going to have some lingering pain of my most likely not going to get back to 100% because I don't remember when I was 100%. Right. You know, I've been probably 60 for the last 25 years. Well, you know, my last shoulder surgery was in 2002.
01:05:08
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I think I was in like... Yeah, I know. Don't worry about it. Let's not go there. That's Jeff Krug, 89. He was in eighth grade. My wife likes to play that game. She's seven years younger than me. I was in high school. I was in seventh grade. It's a marathon. That was print. That's right.
01:05:30
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Yeah, I married an older woman because, you know, I figured that it evens it out because I'll probably wind up dying before her anyway, just barely got a lot of miles on that skin suit. Yeah, exactly. Cross the finish line just about the same time. Probably. You guys want another one? Yeah. Yeah. Same patties. Yeah. She's looking cool.
01:06:00
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Yeah, what do we got up next on here? We, uh, you may notice we, we, uh, we took the viewer questions out this week. Well, we didn't take them out. I didn't get any cause I didn't ask for them because, uh, I dunno, when we have guests lately, like it's, it's hard to get a conversation because the questions are so focused. You know what I mean? So, um, we'll be back to our regularly scheduled questions next week. Um,
01:06:24
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Here's a good one. Is there anyone on Instagram or YouTube that you either draw inspiration from, or you just really, you know, enjoy their channel, like to watch it yourself? Yeah, there's a bunch. I like
01:06:41
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he doesn't even do any woodworking really anymore. He did it was like a short lived kind of span that he went on. It was Timothy Wilmot's. I think it's like Benchworx, whatever, but he built his own shop, did the floors and it's one of those I think he's in Germany or Belgium, something like that. But it's just it's one of those where you watch it and you just watch. Is that the guy you sent me?
01:07:09
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What the hell were we talking about? And you sent me a video. Shit, was it steam bending? I don't remember. But he was in he was in Europe, that guy. I forget what the video was. I think it might have been that guy maybe. But it was like I like watching his stuff. It's really interesting to kind of see how someone else's workflow is. Mm hmm.
01:07:34
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And he did everything from like the floors, the building, the installation, all the duct thing. And, you know, I like watching that kind of stuff. And, you know, obviously, John Peters is, you know, get a lot of inspiration from him. He's a good guy. Yeah. Yeah. And John does so much so many different things on his channel. I told John, I want to go out there to see his bees. Yeah.
01:07:59
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Yeah, he just either today or yesterday posted, I think, what did he say? They had six hives going into the winter and it looks like four of them survived. Yeah, yeah, I saw that as well. I'm happy about that. Yeah, that's good honey. Yeah. Yeah, I wonder if I can get beehives. Yeah, we can. I'm sure I could. But I wonder what that what's entailed in that. Probably a lot more work. Remember? Yeah. Remember when I wanted to get chickens? Yeah.
01:08:27
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We went to Tractor Supply and they're like, you know, you got to get out there and clean up the poop.
01:08:33
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This is the thing about being a naive city folk, you know, like you don't know. I have all these fanciful thoughts. You're like, yeah, it'll be nice. You know, go to Walmart, get some chicken, get some chicken. Yeah. You got to build them a coop and then, you know, the raccoons are going to go in there and eat them all. Yeah. Yeah. The girl there was telling me everything about raising chickens 20 minutes later. I was like, that's out. Yeah. There's no way I'm getting chickens.
01:09:00
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Speaking of raccoons, it was so early when I left the house this morning, I literally saw a raccoon going into the sewer. To go to sleep. Yeah. I'm like, huh, that's a raccoon. He was still out partying. Trash pandas. Yeah, they're very interesting animals, like part bear, part like. Rat. Some kind of rodent. Yeah. Yeah.
01:09:28
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We had this raccoon coming around at night and I thought, so he was out on the front porch. It's going in your refrigerator. That's what it was. Yeah. Well, I'm thinking to myself, I'll just like open the door and he'll see me and run away.
01:09:44
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Not even fazed. So then I go out there and he's just not even fazed. Look, he didn't run passion into the house. So then I had a guy figure I better get myself a weapon. So I got a broom. Oh, there we go. And he was up on the corner of the house like, you know, the outside corner of the porch. And he was trying to get in up into the roof of the porch because, you know, it's a covered porch for those that don't know the house.
01:10:10
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And he wasn't having it. He just totally ignored me. So I went up and gave him like a big, you know, home run swing, knocked him off the house over there. They get big, too, right? Yeah, he was he was big. And he ran pretty fast after that. He was across the street before he knew what he didn't charge back. Yeah, I didn't know what to think. I mean, but I was ready. I was going to have to give him another smack.
01:10:37
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Yeah, actually, speaking of YouTube and raccoon, I get I get some weird recommendations like on my when I go on to YouTube because I watch all kinds of weird stuff. There's this guy, I think. I think he posts fishing videos, which I watch a couple of like lore making guys and stuff like that. So I get fishing videos that come up.
01:10:57
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And he took trail cameras and put them on trees. And then he took like a pizza and just put it in the middle of the woods and took and videotaped it. And this is what I'm watching. You guys are wondering. No, and it's just like a whole troop of drunk kids. Raccoons just come in like and eat this whole pizza.
01:11:17
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It's riveting. What do you think was going to happen? Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, there was like a bear raccoons. Did a bear eat or did he pass it? I think the bear left. If you leave a pizza in the woods, will a bear eat it? Yeah, that's the question. Yeah. Or the pope. Does a bear eat in the woods? Yeah. Oh, yes, the raccoon.
01:11:44
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They're very good tenacious too. Remember we used to keep the sunflower seeds in the big metal garbage can. They'd come out at night and just pop the top of the can. Then they'd go in there and just gorge themselves, you know, like 10 pounds of sunflower seeds.
01:12:04
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Yeah, it's like an all-you-can-eat buffet out there at this place. There's, you know, multiple different types of seeds and you got all those cylinders. The cylinders where the seeds are stuck together. The woodpecker's like those. I'm hoping we have a revisit from the turkey this year.
01:12:24
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Yeah. Yeah, that was interesting. I mean, we live about 100, 200 yards from the highway or Route 36. It's a highway. Yeah. Yeah. Too lean, divided highway. On two sides, we got the grocery store. Yeah.
01:12:44
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Yeah, it's an entire strip mall, basically. This is not the wilderness. No, this is the heart of suburbia. There's a turkey in the yard. And there's not like a good access point where you just keep strolling. Like you had to fly into the yard. Yeah, you had to get over the fence because we have a fence all the way around. Yeah.
01:13:08
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Like a deer, we get deer like in our front yard, like right up like three feet from the front door. Yeah. Yeah. They like to eat all the little buds and stuff. Yep. Oh yeah. So what's it like out there and how you say it's a country living? Yeah, it's pretty country. I mean, you know, we still have all the stores and everything on route nine, but.
01:13:30
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You know, we're looking to get a little bit more land a couple of years after we finished doing all the stuff in the house, stay there for a couple of years. And then we're going to look to kind of get a little bit more property, bigger shop, you know, some land, maybe get a couple of animals and a little bit of, uh,
01:13:50
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coincidence. The one time I was out in Howell, there was a blacksmith doing some work for me. OK. And he was right off that route nine. Yeah. And he had a farm and on the side he did blacksmithing. Yeah. And it was where he lived. It was pretty rural. Yeah. You know, I was like, man, what do you do out here? They call it Alabama. Yeah. Alabama. Alabama. People don't realize like a lot of New Jersey is actually rural.
01:14:26
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About how New Jersey is the most densely populated state. Mm-hmm
01:14:33
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And it's only only the four were the fourth smallest state and the most densely populated. And yet there is all this open space. Yeah. Yeah. I was going down to down south like a couple of weekends ago. I mean, you just see these farms. It's just you don't see any houses just farmland and farmland.
01:14:53
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Yeah, like the pine barons are huge. And actually, so last night, I was a video pop up my thing. It was like a guy that goes state by state and like and talks about the, you know, the idiosyncrasies of these states. And it was New Jersey and like the Delaware Bay side of South Jersey is like
01:15:16
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basically unpopular like there's nobody down there it's all state parks and like Federal Reserves, wildlife reserves. Is that where the Jersey Devil's from? That's like the Pine Barrens which is like yeah that whole sort of central south area. What is the Jersey Devil? Is it like Bigfoot or is it? Yeah.
01:15:35
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Tasmanian devil or yeah, it's like a like it's got like a cobra legs and like a horse's head or something that Go ahead
01:15:47
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I think there's several different. How mean could it be if it's got a goat head? It's a devil. From Jersey. Yeah. New York doesn't have any devils. No. It's got a lot of other bad things. Yeah. The Leeds devil is like, that's the whole backstory is, let's look it up. We got the computer here. This is what other podcasts do. Yeah. The Jersey devil. Because as a, you know, even though I've lived here, most of
01:16:13
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lived here far longer than anywhere else. I'll say this, if you type in Jersey Devil, Google automatically goes to Jersey Devil Coaster, which is a upcoming single rail roller coaster at Six Flags. I've been here for going on 20 years and I still
01:16:31
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don't identify myself as a what do you say a New Jersey and a Jersey? I what it what do people from New Jersey call themselves lucky from Jersey? Yeah, it's just from Jersey. It just doesn't seem New Jersey. And yeah, it doesn't seem to suit me for whatever reason. Like I don't identify it. But I've lived here longer than anywhere else. Yeah. Here we go.
01:16:58
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For those of you that don't know, in Southern New Jersey and Philadelphia folklore, the Jersey Devil, also known as the Leeds Devil, is a legendary creature said to inhabit the Pine Barrens of South Jersey. The creature is often described as a flying biped with hooves. Flying biped? That's like a man with wings. I'll show you the picture in a second here. But there are many variations. The common description is that of a bipedal kangaroo-like or wyvern. Is that like a werewolf?
01:17:27
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Wyvern like creature with a horse or goat like head, leathery bat like wings, horns, small arms with clawed hands. It sounds more and more ridiculous as I read it. Legs with cloven hooves and a forked tail has been reported to move quickly and is often described as emitting a high pitched blood curdling scream. Wyvern is like a dragon. Boy, that's really far fetched.
01:18:01
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Oh, my God. Yeah, you've seen one, right? That's a pretty amiable looking one. It looks kind of like a stalk with bat wings. That's from the Philadelphia Bulletin, January 19. I'm sorry, but I don't think I'd be afraid if I saw the Jersey Devil. But I'll give you the origin story.
01:18:23
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Mother Leeds 13th Child According to popular folklore, the Jersey Devil originated with a Pine Barren resident named Jane Leeds, known as Mother Leeds. The legend states that Mother Leeds had 12 children and after finding she was pregnant for the 13th time, cursed the child in frustration, crying that the child would be the devil.
01:18:46
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In 1735, Mother Leeds was in labor on a stormy night while her friends gathered around her. Born as a normal child, the 13th child changed to a creature with hooves, a goat's head, bat wings, and a forked tail. Growling and screaming, it beat everyone with its tail before flying up the chimney and heading into the pines. In some versions of the tale, Mother Leeds was supposedly a witch, and the child's father was the devil himself.
01:19:10
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Some versions of the legend also state that there was subsequently an attempt by local clergymen to exorcise the creature from the Pine Barrens. That's 100% true. That's thin. That's 100% legit. That's thin.
01:19:25
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I mean, you weren't there in 1735. There's been reported counters. That makes the Bigfoot story seem like concrete. So you don't believe Joseph Bonaparte, elder brother of Napoleon. He claimed to have seen the Jersey Devil while hunting on his Bordentown estate in 1820. You know, believe it or not, I heard that tale somehow. Bordentown lives there.
01:19:51
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Yeah. Wow. You know, I'm kind of disappointed that that's the Jersey Devil folklore. Skeptics believe the Jersey Devil to be nothing more than a creative manifestation of the early English settlers.
01:20:06
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Boogeymen stories created and told by bored Pine Barren residents as a form of children's entertainment, the byproduct of the historical local disdain for the Leeds family, the misidentification to known animals and rumors based on common negative perceptions of the local rural population of the Pine Barrens, known as Pineys. I like that. Pineys. I like that. Yeah. Call them stump bumpers.
01:20:33
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I'm still, I mean, I expected something much more ferocious. So the Sandhill Crane, Jeff Brunner of the Humane Society of New Jersey thinks the Sandhill Crane is the basis of the Jersey Devil story.
01:20:50
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There are no photographs, no bones, no hard evidence. I mean, obviously we know this man. Come on. There's no evidence of the Jersey Devil. But yeah, he's saying that it could be this big ass sandhill crane. A bird. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, who knows? Could be real. And a fork and tail. We got a hockey team named Ephraim. Oh, yeah.
01:21:20
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That goes to show you. Well, they're pretty good. At least they were this year. They're good this year. Not bad this year. They're not as bad as they were the last couple of years. You're into hockey. I always say I should watch more hockey, but then I try and I don't, I don't follow it.
01:21:35
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See, I prefer watching hockey to like football or something like that. Yeah. It's a little more fast paced. There's no stoppages. Like football is almost impossible to watch now. I don't watch it at all. I can't. It's I mean, baseball is totally impossible. You can't watch. I'd rather watch golf. Yeah. And there's too many games.
01:21:56
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Like 180 games or whatever it is, it's too many. Yeah, 162. I think they should like cut the NBA down to like 40 games, baseball down to 60 games. They cut hockey this year. Did they? Usually 82. Cut it down. Yeah, because that's a lot of games too. Like they play a couple of times a week. Well, there's too much money in it. All the commercials on TV, that's where they get all the money from. So they can't roll any of that stuff back. It'll never happen.
01:22:24
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I think COVID really hit the NHL hard this year. Yeah. If you look in the past on their helmets used to be the team logo. Mm hmm. Now. Oh, it's a. It's like met like Capital One. Yeah. Prudential. Yeah. It's interesting. My wife was like, what is that? I'm like, oh, that's that's a logo, but not the team's logo. That's that's branding. Yeah.
01:22:48
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I was I heard on the radio they were talking about, you know, all these places like MSG and The Rock and stuff like that, like they have these big contracts and that the contracts were already all set. And then you throw Covid into the mix where there's nobody going to these games like the the brands want them to make up for it somehow. Right. So that's what they're doing. They're putting stuff on the helmets and on the ice now, too. You can see they like the logos, not like I think it's it's obviously like post production.
01:23:18
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Mm hmm. But they put, you know, like, like the yellow line on football, that fake place in Princeton that does that. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. Well, branding, I mean, that's where, you know, aware of all that stuff with Instagram and social media. That's what all of us are trying to do to some degree, some more than others. Yeah. Less subliminal. Yeah. Yeah.
01:23:49
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Um, it is interesting though. Yeah. Jersey devil. Just wait. We got a Turkey back here next. Could be the Jersey. I'd love to see the Jersey devil. What about, what about Mothman? Yeah. Yeah. I'd take the Jersey devil on like a shop room.
01:24:08
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Mmm. Oh, yeah one shot to that crane head If it is a bird yeah, it's a bird it's a shot to that goat head on that long neck He's just tempting feet the Mothman though that brooms not gonna do much to a Mothman. No Mothman. I'd have to use my The Mothman is like magic. I'd have to use my jersey. That was not magic As far as I know
01:24:33
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I mean it is the child of the devil and Mrs. Leeds. What a tramp that Mrs. Leeds. Now that I think about it, my fifth grade teacher's name was Mrs. Leeds.
01:24:49
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She thought I was the devil's child, though. Well, maybe you're the Jersey. Secret. Let's track that lineage. Yeah, I actually wish I was an alien. Well, I'm hoping that they're coming to get me.
01:25:04
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Bring you home. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I keep hoping that I'm an alien and that one of these days I'm going to have that encounter. They're going to beam me up to the ship. Yeah. What was that ancient race of like alien people? Yeah. The Nibiru from Planet Nibiru. Oh, God. Oh, yeah. There's some you know.
01:25:28
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there's some straight I'll call them straight religions and stuff like that that have the weirdest little stories in their origin tales that if you look at it you'd say how does anybody believe in this stuff I mean you have to overlook it if you're involved in any of that stuff okay we just with that story we keep that one over here yeah we don't talk about that too much but I guess you know it you have to
01:25:57
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overlook all those things that happened in the origin stories of these things and just take the good messages. Don't think about it too much. Don't dig too deep.
01:26:14
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Kind of goes against the grain, you know something philosophical like that not to think too much, but what are you gonna do? As we circle back from the Jersey devil You have any new techniques or designs design elements that you're you're gonna be trying soon or that you want to try I
01:26:38
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I got a lot of joinery that I've not done in that coffee table that's coming up. It's round coffee table, but I'm going to be doing more of a triangular base, you know, two legs. So to try to get that all to fit together and to be sturdy, because, you know, my kid's eventually going to climb on it. You should take a few tips from Jeff and I and really embark on major
01:27:12
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Just like turn off the lights and try and do something We had we actually we had the designer came to the shop for that job
01:27:28
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And we're like, yeah, you know, we decided rather than make money on this job that we were just trying to do it the most difficult way possible. Yeah, we would experiment for a month and a half. Yeah, we're about a month behind the delivery date on those. And what are you going to do, though? You're just going to. So those, you can't see them. It's it's glued up. So I basically blocked out the corners and I'm going to bandsaw it and then flush trim it on the shaper with that giant bit over there.
01:27:56
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Yeah, we the bend in the full size one inch quarter sawn oak. We had problems with that because there was just too much run out in the in the top edge and we couldn't get any kind of consistent results. Corner might be good. The inside would be all crunched up. The outside might split. So we tried that. Then we tried. So then we thought, well, maybe we can patch them up to the point where
01:28:25
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Yeah, like we'll just put it like a veneer on the outside to cover up what went wrong. This three sixteenths inch veneer out of a board. But by the time we got all those repairs done, they were, you know, we just really couldn't get a perfect mating surface. So that was failure number two. Then we said, well, let's just make our own veneers and we'll do like a glue up. But
01:28:53
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We we stopped at, let's say, like three sixteenths of an inch. And we couldn't get any consistency there either because it was like cupping because we still had a steam bender. We couldn't just bend three sixteenths inch oak. And they were. Yeah, they were still breaking because it's four inch diameter radius. Yeah. Four inch. Eight inch. Yeah. Eight inch diameter.
01:29:19
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So it was a four inch radius on the two corners, so we couldn't get consistency there. Like some boards would be good, some would start cracking out. So we were left with just two choices after we tried everything that we thought would be like the coolest way to do it. Yeah, we're like, this is going to look, you know, look the best with continuous green all the way around.
01:29:43
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Yeah, so it was either buy veneer and do a glue, you know, a bent lamination of like sixteenth inch veneer. You could do a cold. Right. Yeah.
01:29:53
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Or do it like this and you know the veneer was gonna cost like I don't even know was it 500 bucks per yeah Yeah, it was a lot because it would have been a couple thousand dollars worth of veneer to get good 16 inch 16th inch thick veneer was expensive and now so now we're looking at a
01:30:14
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12 to 16 layers. You know, if you went with three quarters, which we were really going for an inch, that's 16 layers for each six foot wall. And there's four. We're building four of them. Yeah. So. One sheet could just make one arm because it's six foot right in total length, a little bit more, but you get only one out of an eight foot sheet.
01:30:41
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So they're like, yeah, there's the, what was it? It was a 500 square feet or 500. Oh yeah. It was two, it was two 50 square foot for each 526 square feet. So it was, it was expensive. Yeah. Um,
01:31:02
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So we were back here, which was one of our original concepts, but we just didn't want to fall back to it. We were stubborn about wanting to be innovative, artistic. And, you know, the only regret for me is that we weren't able to do it. I don't regret the time and energy spent. I literally just cut up all the
01:31:27
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I didn't discuss the screw ups today. I'm like, I can't look at these anymore. We had a pile of big six foot bent things, you know, which looked like they were done. But if you looked at them closely, you would see that they were all screwy in one way or another.
01:31:46
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Super frustrating. Yeah, it's been it's been driving me crazy. I mean, the bases went off without a hitch. Yeah. Aside from a little bit of tear out on the veneers and stuff. Yeah. So you've been sitting waiting. You're going to take that lesson back. You know, I've got a very limited amount of that wood. So I'm going to. Yeah, you got to be concerned. I'm really going to figure out getting the sketch up and figure everything out beforehand. The easiest route is going to be the way I go. I think. Yeah. You're cutting all that out of a slab, right?
01:32:18
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That's cool. So you'll be able to, you know, place your parts and sort of figure out where the best grain is and stuff. That's cool. I'm just going to make it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I can't I. It's not playing down or anything. It's just rough. So I'm going to kind of cut it down to a little bit more manageable pieces, run it through the planer and the joiner and just see what we have.
01:32:40
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You know, once I cut, I, you know, I kind of know where I'm going to cut out of it for certain pieces. Um, and that's another reason I went with a round top, so I won't have to, I won't have as much waste. And your kid can't smack his head on the corner.
01:32:59
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You may regret that decision one day. He's eight, so if he's hitting his head on there, he's doing something wrong. He's doing something wrong. It's a tall table. He's already up to it. No, I mean like falling down or something. Yeah.
01:33:15
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Yeah, man, we just took like the bumpers off the corners of everything. Yeah, we didn't do that. We kind of. We did some things, but we moved when he was three and we got to the new house and we were like. Yeah, you live and you learn. We had some gates up, but that was about it. We didn't go crazy.
01:33:33
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Yeah, we're lucky. He's pretty, he had that one fall, man. He clipped his head on the edge of like, we have these like mid-century side tables. He had like a straight gash in his head. Aside from that, he's been, he's been really good about not running and stuff. I did that. I would, I got my tonsils at back in like 2016. We had just moved into our new house. My wife and son got home from the hospital after visiting me.
01:34:01
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My son had to go to the bathroom. My wife said, just don't run because the lights were out. Don't run. He ran in the kitchen and took the corner too tight, clipped his head and just gushing blood. She had to call my neighbor and they're like, we got to go to the hospital, call the in-laws. They got to go to the hospital. Like, oh, what's wrong with Keith? No. Oh, and he's got to go to the hospital and he stitches. Yeah, I, of course, uh, what did I do? Did I text my wife?
01:34:29
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I think he did, like I said, I'm like, don't worry. Everything's fine. Hunter hit his head. Like five minutes later, she walks in the door. She's at work. I'm like, I told you everything was fine. We got to go get stitched. I'm like, he's fine. He's not even bleeding. And he has like a little scar. Yeah, that's going away. You know, she's like, see, I told you we should have got stitches.
01:34:49
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You can do it. There was no child proofing back in the olden days. I remember specifically going in like cars without seatbelts. Oh, yeah, hopping around in the back of a station. No seatbelts. And then they window open. Both the parents are smoking with the windows rolled up.
01:35:06
Speaker
I can't breathe. Shut up. And in the station wagons, they had that fun seat in the back. With the window down and your face in the back. You hit a good bump, you're going out the window. Oh, man. Yeah. Yeah, my dad had a, because he owns a commercial janitorial business. So he had a van, a Ford Econoline van. We would sit in the back on lawn chairs. Or on a five-gallon bucket. Slide around. Yeah.
01:35:35
Speaker
Oh, man. Oh, now your kids are in a booster seat until they're like what? Six, seven. Oh, my son's still in a booster seat. Oh, my God. You got to weigh out or grow out. I think 60 pounds or something. He's just at 62. We got to look. I think it's 70. Yeah, that's crazy. I didn't want to boost the seat till I was like in junior high. I want to get that thing out of my truck. The car seat is so big. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder what it is to go from car seat to booster seat.
01:36:07
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Um, we went early with him because he's tall. So his feet were like hitting the back of the he was like putting his feet on the back of the seat. Yeah, like we should probably switch it out. Yeah, we had one of those car seats that did you know, the baby up to the toddler and then the like now he's on the last little piece of that car seat that he got. So what's the what's the purpose of the booster?
01:36:32
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I guess to get him up. Yeah, it gets the seatbelt that I think in the race. Oh, that's going to like take your head off to position you for the stock seatbelt. Right. This says while some high back booster seats have a minimum weight of 30 pounds, kids should weigh at least 40 pounds before riding in any booster seat. We got a while. I think he's. Twenty three pounds. Time to bulk up. Yeah, he's he's he's little. So what if you're fat and short?
01:36:59
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's like one of those things. That's like the BMI. Oh, yeah. It's like you could be just like really muscular and be considered morbidly obese. Yeah. So the seat belt, if you're in like one of those child seats like Hunter has, is it the car seat belt that goes across him?
01:37:17
Speaker
No, see, every car now has these little metal hoops. Yeah, I noticed that even in my truck had that. You clip the seat, it has little clips and you clip it to that. You can do it with a seatbelt. But the child seat has its own seatbelt in it, right? Yeah, it's like a harness. Okay. Yeah, but a booster seat just sits on the
01:37:36
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Yeah. So my son now, his booster seat just sits on the seat. It's not attached. And uses the car seat belt. And uses the car seat belt. I guess. Oh, so it's not attached? Yeah. Well, it's like that thing could just go flying. Yeah. Why can't you just use a pillow? And it's like a law, isn't it? It's a law. Yeah. Technically, in New Jersey, you're not even supposed to have a dog in your car unless it's seatbelted. Mm hmm.
01:38:00
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Yeah, they have like special like like a light. Yeah, leash that goes into the seat. Then so dogs are just going to go flying and that's neck is kind of like. No, no, no. We have. Well, I don't know how everybody else has it, but we have ones that it's got a little bit of an elastic on it. It goes into the seatbelt things, but we always keep harnesses on our dogs. We don't do collars. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we do their collar, but on a leash, it's always on a harness. So we hook it to their harness and.
01:38:28
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I used to drive and just hold the leash. So because he would stick his head out the window, I was afraid he would jump out. Yeah. In Texas, the dogs ride in the back of the pickup truck. I could not do that. I have a pickup truck even with a cap on it. I still couldn't. Not only that, they would sit on top of the toolboxes.
01:38:46
Speaker
And they're riding around like they got nothing in their turn. They're like, if this dog falls out, you see him like leaning with the wall and they the dogs would love it. They jump back in there and terrified. We have a little chihuahua like she just wind would just like she's like 11 pounds or something. She will just fly off. Oh, yeah. The wind blew. Yeah. That thing would fly off. Yeah.
01:39:15
Speaker
Yeah, I haven't. I haven't had Rufus in that truck, I don't think. Yeah, we used to talk about like move in someplace, you know, more rural or less congested, I would say. I would tell my wife, I said, you know, when you start seeing dogs in the back of the trucks, you know, you can't stop the people because they'll just shoot you. Yeah, yeah, it's true. Yeah, yeah, that's that's a different world there.
01:39:44
Speaker
Oh man, I'm surprised I haven't heard from my wife. Usually she tells me if she's got yoga class or not. Yeah. Yeah. What time is it? 4 or 5. We're doing all right. So Keith, anything you want to get off your chest while you're here? Yeah. Should I? Is this something I don't know? No. No.
01:40:11
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But you know, this is a this is a time where you can reach our dozens of listeners. Yeah. I haven't checked the charts in Slovenia recently. I did get a milestone back in right before Christmas. I had 10,000 on YouTube. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's awesome. Nice. It took a while. And, you know, I wasn't very consistent. You know, I just started recently trying to do one every two weeks. And.
01:40:40
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It's good so far. You know, I film on the day I release, I start filming another project. Nice. And it kind of gives me some time, some leeway to film it and then edit it, put it up, get ready for the next project. They're not huge projects, but where can everybody find you on Instagram?
01:41:00
Speaker
2BitWoodWorks. So that's it. Yep. And that same thing for YouTube. Yep. YouTube and my website's 2BitWoodWorks.com. I got all my links there and buy plans and... TWO. TWO. All right. Just got to get it out there. Yeah, nothing if not shameless pluggers. I had a lofty goal of a YouTube video every week.
01:41:26
Speaker
It's been, I don't even know how many weeks. Well, I mean, you put this up every week. Yeah. Yeah. This is, I mean, Jeff does all the work for this. You do nothing. No, I mean. Just reap the rewards. Yeah, I bask in the glory. I'm lucky I get them to show up. How close are you? You got your thousand, right? Subscribers? Yeah, I think we're at about 1100. You're just waiting on the watch time. Yeah. That takes the longest.
01:41:52
Speaker
Yeah, it, uh, you know, like the, um, the podcast is whatever between, let me see here, uh, between an hour and two hours or maybe a little bit more. But, um, the watch time, like people don't watch, they don't watch the whole thing. It's hard. It's long. Um, so let's see, we're at, uh, 3,099. So we need about 900 more.
01:42:18
Speaker
What I was thinking is they do have kind of a chapter ring deal that you can set up on your video. So you can set it up like, all right, they're talking about, you know, hit this to go to the beer of the week or this to go. Oh, yeah. In the description where it says the timestamp. Yeah, that's a good idea. We have an outline of, you know, what you're going to talk about and then go to your chapter so people can, you know, they're not like, hop in here, hop in there. They talk about that, talk about this and you kind of. This is where he reveals.
01:42:48
Speaker
the secrets. I don't use it. My videos are like, most 20 minutes long. When we started Jeff, when we first started doing the podcast, Jeff told us, Oh, yeah, it's gotta be like an hour. I'm like, an hour. First off, I don't think we could talk for an hour and second off, who wants to listen to us talk for an hour?
01:43:12
Speaker
We've got some that are going three hours long. Yeah. I don't want Manny. We almost went through like a change of seasons. It was like it was like four early afternoon and then we left. It was like seven o'clock at night. Yeah. It was insane. Like case of beer of the week. Yeah.
01:43:35
Speaker
Yeah, that was a, that was a good one. We had that Manny back on. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we're going to be opening up the gates again. You know, Jeff's going to be getting a second shot tomorrow. I'm following right after him. See how I feel. I might have to take a couple of days off. We've had a few, we've had a few people on that we've been, you know, in contact with and we're, you know, we know we're all healthy. John Peter's has been in and out of here a hundred times and.
01:44:00
Speaker
Yeah, Tim's, he's living a reclusive lifestyle. He's monastic like us. We don't go anywhere. Yeah, it's the same here. I work from home, down in the basement, in an office in the basement.
01:44:17
Speaker
Yeah, like we don't even go to like the store. No, you know, like we get all the supplies delivered. Yeah, like finishes all that. I don't we don't go buy it. We just have it. We want to cost money to go to the store. So I have it show up here. What I've been doing is actually, you know, I have Amazon affiliates and everything.
01:44:34
Speaker
And I've been buying nothing except stuff on Amazon. Yeah. You know, I'm not going to go to the store to buy that. I'd like to go on Amazon by quicker and I don't have to go get it. But what I started doing was, you know, I have my affiliate links from my website and my projects and everything. But then I started just going in and copying, creating a text, you know, affiliate link and that because it still counts if you buy it.
01:45:02
Speaker
Yeah, see, I had that happen where when we first set up bars, I saw, I'm like, Rubio Monaco. I'm like, I just bought that. I'm like, how'd that show up on there? And I was like, I better get in touch with Amazon. And they're like, yeah, we'll take that off. But I didn't know that it was a. I thought that they were going to find out and then penalize me. No.
01:45:25
Speaker
Our affiliates have actually they've been doing they've been. I mean, we don't have a lot of people clicking on stuff or buying stuff, but it's been pretty consistent, which is just cool. December was a good month for me. Someone I think there was like over thirteen hundred dollars worth of purchases, three thousand dollars worth of purchases.
01:45:42
Speaker
I mean, I'm not getting and it's funny because there's only like one thing that someone clicked on. But once they click on 24 hours, right? Well, they bring it to you. And as long as it's in your. You're still on your affiliate. Anything they buy. Yeah, like if I look at ours, there's like a woman's dress, dog leash. Yeah.
01:46:05
Speaker
I've got that where it's like they'll buy this. What is there something I don't know about? So this quarter we had like twenty four hundred dollars worth of Amazon affiliate sales. Yeah. But you made probably what? Seventy three dollars. Three percent. Yeah. Like a check from them for me comes once every couple of months.
01:46:26
Speaker
Yeah, we have it set to a hundred dollar threshold and we haven't even got one yet. I got one in July and then I just got one like last week. We'll put that check up on the wall. That's not as bad as our podcast ads, which if you listen to the whole podcast front to back and listen to all three ads, we get three cents.
01:46:52
Speaker
Well, we're getting ready to retire next week. We're still trying to figure that out.
01:46:59
Speaker
Sort of like a cumulative $34 on that. Yeah. That's good. Not bad. Hey, every little bit helped like selling the plans. Yeah. Like I was I was selling my plans from day one. John always did his for free. And I'm like, you're missing the boat. Yeah. Because it's work. It is work. It's work. Yeah. It's design work. It's you know, it's also creating the plans and you're putting them out, setting it up in a store. It's a lot of work.
01:47:29
Speaker
Well, I mean, it's a lot of fun to do the podcast and social media thing can be a lot of fun too. I think as somebody who's not that well versed in it, you could see how much work it is. Because so much is as far into me. And Jeff spends an awful lot of time doing it. And it's really the driver of
01:47:55
Speaker
of interest in the company. It helps develop the relationships and it's the new world order as far as I can see even from my old vantage point.
01:48:10
Speaker
It's definitely I mean, I got my first client from you from Instagram, with the dog stairs, she was local and hit me up and I even told this was before I had surgery. I told her I'm like, Look, I'll do this for you. But I'm going in for surgery in like a week. It's gonna be a couple months. I'm gonna be out for like three or four months. She goes, That's fine. I was like, I'm okay. If you go somewhere else. She's like, No, good.
01:48:38
Speaker
And I was like, all right. And so I did him and I dropped him off to her in Asbury and she's super happy and the dog loved them. So
01:48:47
Speaker
Yeah, it's cool. It's nice to have clients like come to you rather than having to put the work out and try and and and find the client. Yeah. I mean, like it feels good to have people be like, oh, man, I want to work with them. Yeah. Right. And then she posted about it. And then like, you know, you could see when you post something like that or see someone else post it, you know, all of a sudden you get a bunch of like followers. All right. You know, they don't do woodworking. So they're right. They're following from some other, you know,
01:49:16
Speaker
And those are the people you really want. Exactly. You want customers, potential customers to follow you. Like if Joe Woodworker in California follows us, that's cool. I like to talk and share ideas and whatever. And but it's not an earner. He's not going to be buying a cabinet. That's a beast. Yeah, that's getting a $5,000 coffee machine. Yeah.
01:49:43
Speaker
You don't have one? I want that kind of money. We do too. We can't even afford the cabinet. We're gonna have to change careers. Jeff and I can make it. We still can't afford it. Yeah. Right? Yeah. We need a second job just to buy the stuff, you know, to build it. Yeah. So when you guys spec out a project like that, you know, this thing's huge.
01:50:11
Speaker
wait, how much extra do you count? Like there's you're gonna get boards that are okay, you might use them on the inside or the backside in terms of would you mean like how much waste for something like cherry 25 30% Yeah. A third is a good is a good ballpark. It's also not every board like
01:50:36
Speaker
You know, if you need to make rails and styles that are three inches wide or three and a half inches wide, well, you might have five inch wide boards and two inches is gone.
01:50:45
Speaker
and you don't have any other parts that are that small. Yeah. Same with the lengths of it. You know, sometimes you can wind up with these big hunks. We ran into that with a walnut, like where we had to dip into some stuff that we had. Huge, big pieces of waste. You know, like three feet long. Yeah. If you have eight footers and you need pieces that are 67, well, then you're left with these pieces that may not be usable. There was nowhere for them to go. That's why you throw some cutting boards on your website. We have to charge so much money for cutting boards to make any money on them.
01:51:16
Speaker
We've sold a couple, but cutting boards are a lot of work. They are a lot of work. Everybody's like, yeah, I'm selling for like 75 bucks. I'm like, I'm selling for like 400 bucks to make. I'll make a cutting board if it's just like one of those slab cutting boards with a shape on it. I did not a glue up of all these different pieces. A couple of years ago, I did a show at Mama 3's track. And it was in October. It was like right before that makers camp.
01:51:42
Speaker
It was like people were walking by and I think it was wasn't the right atmosphere. People were there to bet and drink. Well, yeah. And people like one guy walked by and he was like, wow, that's a really good overhead you got on that. I'm like, what over having this away? This is it's mahogany. It's walnut, cherry and maple. I'm like, and Purple Heart. I'm like, where's where's this overhead? Mike, it's $75. It's an inch and a half thick.
01:52:12
Speaker
And it's 12 inches by like 10 inches. That's a big cutting. Yeah, it's a lot of sanding. You know, you made 17 cents an hour making that board, right? That's OK. We saw a lot of the smaller stuff. Yeah, like people had something like that. They don't want to buy and then carry it around all day. Right.
01:52:33
Speaker
Yeah, cutting boards are tough. We've made a couple. I think two, like we've been commissioned by clients to build two. And then for like around Christmas time, holiday time, we made what, four? I was making one for my mom and my dad and one for my sister, her husband. So I was like, I might as well batch out a bunch. So we made six and then we gave four way to clients.
01:53:01
Speaker
Big, I mean, yeah, 17 by 24 or something like that, inch and a half thick. Because if you go edge grain, you just, you know, take five quarter and turn it on edge, cut it like two inches or inch and three quarter and then glue it up and plane it. And I mean, that makes it a lot easier to just run them through there. God, that's my next purchase. I want to get the wife's approved. You can take that home with you if you want. I couldn't take that home. We've got an engine voice. We've got an engine voice outside.
01:53:32
Speaker
You should see the plug on that thing. It's like this big. It looks like a dryer. It's only single phase, but it's got a huge plug. No, that's the next on the next purchases. I mean, not that big, obviously. What would you like? I'm looking at the Supermax, but I think I actually might go with the jet, the 2244.
01:53:53
Speaker
I had one. I had the Performax before. 1632. So I was thinking, you know, like the Supermax, the Laguna Supermax, that's 1938. And it's about, it's about 1500, I think somewhere around there. 1600, 1700, somewhere around there. But the jet, the 2244 is about 1500, 1600 as well. And I guess those, you know, those couple extra inches might help.
01:54:21
Speaker
Yeah, I'll say this. If you can go to a, not an open-ended one, and just use, you know, just saying stuff that's smaller, you're not gonna have to deal with that deflection.
01:54:37
Speaker
because the 1632 like that head wants to really lift up right so if you like this is a 38 and we don't I mean maybe we'll run something that's like 25 through it but we never really go the full 38
01:54:55
Speaker
being fixed on two sides like that just i don't know it seems to feed better and and give a better sure yeah for like for my size shop i mean even putting that 1938 is the supermax one that's still kind of shoehorning it in the shop yeah yeah because i think they make like 25s that are they do they make it 25 50 but closed off i mean yeah
01:55:19
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. There's just something about that open end that you know, because it's not really supported out there on the open side. Right. I don't know. I think I'm going to go with the one of those two, but it's going to be the open end just because the size of the shop. I can't can't fit anything too crazy. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's nice to have the with. This thing, we just ripped the belt on it last week. So something.
01:55:47
Speaker
A piece of what was it? Oak. We were saying the veneer had like a little edge on it, caught the paper and then the thing came off and literally ripped the belt. So now the belt's only twenty eight inches wide. And to replace the belt's like four or five hundred bucks. Yeah.
01:56:04
Speaker
See if you had a smaller open ended one. Yeah, of course. This thing it's been we bought it for 1000 bucks. So that's pretty good. It was super cheap. So I got a seven and a half horsepower motor. Double drum. And we've probably put at least 1000 in parts into it. And I can't even tell you how much time Yeah.
01:56:30
Speaker
Yeah, if aggravation was currency, we'd be out millions. Because, I mean, it's just one thing after another with that. Yeah. I'll tell you the thing. Did you talk about the Velcro? No.
01:56:47
Speaker
The thing I really dislike about the Velcro hook and loop style of fastening the paper is that it's a tad bit spongy. Yeah. And it makes the paper susceptible to grabbing on to any kind of little errant piece of wood, like a little splinter. And then it blows out the whole roll.
01:57:14
Speaker
And now I had that Performax sander. Of course, it's a tiny little toy machine compared to that, but it never once blew out the paper and that wrapped onto the steel drum. Right. Yep. So yeah, I don't remember that ever. Having a problem with the paper. Yeah, never. We get we get issues where it wouldn't feed through because we're taking too heavy of a pass. But I mean, this thing blows the roll of paper like. Yeah.
01:57:43
Speaker
And it's always at the worst time. It's like, all right, last piece, last pass, and then it blows up. I get a big burn in the piece. I did that with my flooring. And the living room dining room was almost done. I had like three or four more pieces to cut. And they were all like strips like this that I needed to cut like right against the wall. And I did something with my saw stop and I had the fence just a little too close.
01:58:09
Speaker
And it just went drop down. I was like, I don't have an extra break. Time to break out the track. So because it was the beginning of the pandemic, no one was open and no one had any supplies that I could get right away.
01:58:27
Speaker
Yeah, it's like the bandsaw blade. You know, we broke broke a bandsaw blade. There's nowhere to get a bandsaw blade around here. Literally, you got to drive to like Pennsylvania to Woodcraft or it's such a drive. It's like, yeah, two hours. It's 40 minutes into Pennsylvania. Yeah, I'm closer than you and it still takes me a good hour.
01:58:47
Speaker
Oh, yeah, that's probably what, Doylestown? Or, uh, Downingtown? I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because we were in Easton. We were in Easton. No. Yeah. It was sort of like, uh, you know, no one with a full set of teeth. Right. Yeah. And we called, we were like, yeah, do you have the SawStop router? Uh,
01:59:13
Speaker
um you know wings and they're like uh no no we don't have that then we got there and it's like sitting on the shelf i'm like yeah yeah uh like i'd be inclined to rip that velcro off those drums and just tape it on well it's taped on the corners on the edges anyway yeah that's what i mean just tape it just on the edges yeah so it's already taped on there
01:59:41
Speaker
The Velcro doesn't hold it on there. I'm fine with that. You get to clean the adhesive off the drums. Yeah, yeah, that was a fucking nightmare. Yeah, because it's like, you know, it's stuck on there with we put new Velcro on there. Yeah, because what happens is the belt blows up. Not a belt. You know, the paper blows up and then the piece of wood digs into the Velcro and and melts everything all together and makes this hard spot. So then you have to get that off.
02:00:11
Speaker
Yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't be against trying that. Have to get a rubber scraper. No, that you put on a drill for like taking decals off a car. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's not a bad idea either. Just turn it on and just. Yeah, it took old deadwood about what a whole day took him a day, but I got that other one off in about an hour. Yeah. Well, yeah, that makes sense. So.
02:00:40
Speaker
That's not an exaggeration. Yeah, I think I peeled the I think it was this one. I just like pulled it right off. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He spent it. He spent a full day trying to clean that one unpaid rate. No, he was paid. He was paid. He is paid. We paid dearly for that. Anywho.
02:01:05
Speaker
Yeah, that's the thing. So you went over the open-ended version. Yeah, and about how we blew up the conveyor belt. Yeah. The other thing that I didn't like about that sander was the inaccurate raising and lowering of it. Not that I want to be able to repeat it in a sense, but
02:01:29
Speaker
Sometimes moving the handle a quarter of a turn raises it. Sometimes there's like these dead spots. I don't know which way to go. And so you could literally be running things through and then you just raise it like a sixteenth of a turn and it all of a sudden burns. Yeah. It'll burn or like stall the machine because you gouged out an eighth of an inch. I think
02:01:55
Speaker
the jet on the 2244 that I'm looking at. I think that has a digital readout. Nice. That's definitely something. Yeah. Those were the otherwise that thing punched above its weight all the time. This this is the year I think we're gonna do in a lot in the shop. Building cabinets and new outfit table. Just going to try to get everything organized. All right.
02:02:25
Speaker
knew we got the new arm. New arm knew everything like the bionic man. And we bought we went through two beers. Yeah. That's good. Yeah, we never really do that. We split one beer sometimes. But on the week. Yeah, it's been a hard week and two beer week. Yeah. Yeah.
02:02:49
Speaker
Well, does that bring us to thoughts on Beer of the Week? Yeah, I think so. You want to go first? Sure. It was good. Better than I remember. Yeah. It's been a while since I had a Smitix. Yeah, I can't remember the last time I had one. Yeah, just a nice all around kind of
02:03:13
Speaker
Beer. I don't know. It's it's hard to put your finger on. It's not. It's it's pretty unique in terms of taste, I think. Doesn't taste a lot like anything else that I've had, but.
02:03:26
Speaker
Perfect for St. Patrick's Day and yeah, it was good. I mean, aside from the Irish connection, I really enjoyed it. It's like, you know, Guinness is the, if I had to pick something to drink, I'd pick a Guinness. I guess I just liked it. It was either this or Guinness. It was going to pick one of the two.
02:03:44
Speaker
And this doesn't taste anything like a Guinness, but I found it really enjoyable to drink. And I'm not a beer drinker by any stretch. This is the only time we drink, really. And it went down great. We drank the full six of them.
02:04:04
Speaker
it really hit the spot yeah yeah it's like it's got a lot of flavor but it's not a heavy beer or um it's not called the burger beer right i'd go buy this yeah because like if i was gonna have some people over not everybody really likes Guinness that's not so heavy
02:04:25
Speaker
Um, so I would pick up something like this because I know I would like it. And I could say that, you know, people might enjoy it. Not getting coarsely. Oh, my God. That stuff. My father in law loves it. So if I have any like I had some allegation brought over for like, yeah, I don't remember what holiday was.
02:04:44
Speaker
I brought it over, and he was like, I'm okay. I think it's still his first. I don't like this fancy beer. It's not fancy, it's just beer. It just tastes like something. No, it's like what you drink is cheap. This is regular beer, that's cheap. That's what it is. It's Colorado pee. Yeah. Yeah, the Coors Lade is like, it's like water. I mean, I don't understand the point of that. That's like, why?
02:05:13
Speaker
Well, if you got to drink 24 of them, that's what I mean. Easy. You ever noticed that most of the people that like that stuff, they love to overindulge in it.
02:05:24
Speaker
I think it's all about how much tolerance that you build up. It's not that very that's not a strong one either. No, but they they buy those in the big cardboard boxes. Yeah, no one's buying a six pack of Coors Light. No, it's a 12 or an 18. I'd buy a six pack. But you're buying it for somebody else. I'm buying it for someone else. Yeah. Yeah. I have my beer in the fridge and I'm not like in high school, you know, by the 30 pack of Keystone Light.
02:05:51
Speaker
Yeah. Milwaukee's beast. I see people like that. That's like what they drink. People actually drink that or natty light. That was like what you bought in college because it was $14 for a 30 pack or whatever. But there's people that like that's their beer of choice. I'm a natural light man.
02:06:12
Speaker
In Texas, it was Buckhorn. Buckhorn? Yeah, I think that was like the budget brand for Lone Star. Schlitz. There's no one. Schlitz is... There was in the army, there was all sorts of ones. Crazy beers. In West Virginia, they had Beer 30, it was called. And it had like a clock on it. That was the time. Beer 30. Okay. You ever have Genesee?
02:06:35
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, I had that in college. That's like I think it's from upstate, New York. Didn't we have that on the thing on the Genesee cream ale? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. That's like one of those outlier. Yeah, I think we had that. Natty Bow is like a Baltimore area kind of beer. Yeah. Yeah, I had a friend from Buffalo and that was that was his thing. Genesee never had it.
02:07:03
Speaker
Yeah, they're all the same. They got the same recipe. They all come out of Hackensack, New Jersey. Yeah, that's like your grandma's chocolate chip. It's just Toll House. Does that grandma's recipe? Just she's taking it off the back of the Toll House chocolate chip bag. My grandma's cookies are better than yours. No, it's the same. My mom's are the same too.
02:07:26
Speaker
If it's written on a, what do they call those things? Index card. Index card. It doesn't mean anything. And the Rice Krispie Treats. Yeah. Same recipe. Oh my God.
02:07:40
Speaker
Oh, man. So this is good. This is a good time. Yeah. So we thank our patrons. Yeah. Thanks to our Gold Tier patrons. David Murphy, Manny Sirianni, Dustin Fair, Adam Pothast, and David Schumacher. That's right. I knew it David Schumacher.
02:07:58
Speaker
Yeah, maker. Yeah, we were corrected. It's shoemaker. Yeah. He referenced the jockey. He was like, yeah, like the jockey. And I'm like, I still don't know. That's from my youth. Yeah. Yeah. I remember that. Like, why World of Sports? Yeah. You remember why World of Sports? How will Cocel? Oh, yeah. That was what I was. Yeah. Channel seven. I don't know what channel it was on. Yeah. We're only like three channels back in those days. Now there's 3000.
02:08:29
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, that was a big deal. But yeah, as always, we appreciate you guys tuning in. Yes. Yes, indeed. Thanks to Keith for coming out and hanging out. Thanks for having me. Big thanks to Keith. Yeah. And don't forget to check out his Instagram, Two Bit Woodworks. If you follow us on YouTube and you're not following Keith, you're messing up because he's got a lot of good videos. Yeah, starting to be consistent. It's always a plus.
02:08:55
Speaker
Oh, I hear the wife out there. I was like, what the hell is that? Calling the dog. Knocking on the door. It's parked in my driveway. But yeah, we'll see you guys next week for episode 29. 29. Pushing 30. Yes. Yeah. Is there like a 30th anniversary or something like that? What is that? So we hit 52. Is that cardboard? 25th. Yeah. Oh, 30th. I don't know. 25 is silver, right? I don't know. I haven't gotten up there. I don't know. I'm only at.
02:09:27
Speaker
Five. How long have you been married, Keith? Eleven years. He's not got nothing on me, man. Twenty years. I've been doing time.
02:09:38
Speaker
You got some good sitting time coming to you tonight. Oh god, no. Please no. Maybe a job proposal coming. I'll have to work on the computer. I'll send some of your way. Rob, we need you to get on TikTok tonight. Post some videos. Anyway, we won't drag you guys on here. Do the money log. Be safe out there. See you guys next week.
02:10:20
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Ain't no shame, but there's been a chain