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BONUS EPISODE - Our Appearance on the What If They're Wrong Podcast talking UFOs, aliens and life itself!
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BONUS EPISODE - Our Appearance on the What If They're Wrong Podcast talking UFOs, aliens and life itself!
A few months ago we were guests on the What If They're Wrong podcast with our friend Jeremiah Dorph, talking about histories, personal experiences, UFOs, cryptids, and discuss what life itself is. Make sure to check the podcast out HERE
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Promotion
00:00:00
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Hello, my fellow Terrestrials. Coming to you from an RV deep in the Carolina Mountains, welcome to the What If They're Wrong podcast, the podcast that wants you to question everything. Your reality is about to be shattered.
00:00:33
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Hello my fellow Terrestrials and welcome back. Thank you for tuning in. We're going to get to this thought-provoking episode with Greg and Ash from Pursuit of the Paranormal in just a moment. But first, if you enjoy the content and enjoy the show, make sure to subscribe or add it to your list.
00:00:52
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so that way you get every episode that comes out, when it comes out, you'll be able to listen to it right away. You can also contact me if you'd like to be a guest on the show or just like to talk with me at www.whatifpaw.com. Hit up the contact page. I respond to all emails in a timely manner.
Meet the Guests: Greg and Ash
00:01:12
Speaker
So let's get with Craig and Ash, the pursuit of the paranormal.
00:01:17
Speaker
and talk about everything paranormal and remember question everything hello and welcome to the what if they're wrong podcast i'm your host jeremiah i'm joined today by two of my favorites greg and ash and we're going to be talking about all kinds of fringe topics and uh we're going to get really into some stuff and it'll be a fun hour so i'll introduce them now hello greg and ash
00:01:42
Speaker
Hello. Hello. Nice to speak to you again. It's been a long time. It has. You've been on our podcast and we chat regularly on messenger or Instagram or socials anyway.
00:02:00
Speaker
Oh, yeah, definitely. Just for my audience, these guys have really helped me a lot in my podcasting journey. And I wouldn't be where I'm at now without them. So I'm honored to have you guys on. And they've got what, the number two ranked paranormal podcast.
00:02:22
Speaker
Yeah, it was a couple of us. We were like ten, then we went third, then we went second, so in the about normality magazine podcast charts, so that's pretty cool just to be up there with some of the big sort of podcast names, that's pretty awesome. In fact,
00:02:37
Speaker
Obviously you haven't as odd as you've been doing a great job yourself. Yeah, my show's been really taken off and it's fun to see and I'm starting to get messages from audience members and I just love hearing from people and whether they want to be on the show or just talk, it's good to get some recognition and know that people are enjoying the content.
00:03:03
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Yeah, definitely. I listen to the podcast as well. When I'm out and about, I have a listen. So I check in regularly. I've listened to quite a few of them recently as well.
Exploring Paranormal Theories
00:03:15
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And I was listening to one
00:03:17
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I can't remember the guy you were speaking to and he was talking about UFOs, paranormal, cryptids all being interdimensional and you were talking about his thoughts on that and that really struck a chord with me and me and Ash have discussed it. We speak to podcast people all the time and guests and that seems to be sort of the route a lot of people are going.
00:03:47
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down as an explanation for the missing link between everything and what it could be.
00:03:55
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Yeah, definitely. Just me personally, it makes more sense to look at it that way. Now that's not the discount that they might be from other planets, but they use interdimensional travel. So I'm open to that theory as well. But I just, I don't know, I feel there's a, there's definitely some type of way they can phase in and out of what we can perceive.
00:04:23
Speaker
So it is called, that's kind of the thought process we've had and the guests have had on our podcast and also the kind of conversations you're having. I also liked an episode that you did and you interviewed a lady who had some harrowing sort of abduction experiences and her daughter was starting to have them as well and it was all a bit.
00:04:50
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dark for them, but fascinating. So you've had some really good guests on. Yeah, definitely. Anytime anybody sort of opens up about experiences like that, it's not necessarily an easy subject for them to talk about. And that's what we enjoy when we're recording our podcast, that you get people on that are not
00:05:13
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necessarily comfortable sharing it within their peer group publicly but the podcast like ours like yours gives people a bit of a almost like an anonymous forum that they can go on to and reach like-minded people so that's that's cool that's cool. A lot of times it's the first time they've spoken to anybody about it
00:05:40
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And they're just sort of like, you can see the relief in the face where they're actually like, I've actually told someone and they're not going to think I'm crazy for saying it. So it's good to have to give that platform to people. It's an honor for us to allow people to do that. Some people need it because they don't have anywhere else to turn and they come to us, which is just an honor, really.
00:06:01
Speaker
And I apologize, I'm so rude. I forgot to say that you're from the pursuit of the paranormal podcast. Yes, we are. Totally lost over that. Don't worry about that. We were keen just to get in and get chatting. Yeah, we're not here to self-help. No, definitely not. We're here to have a chat, to like-minded people like yourself.
00:06:24
Speaker
So through your podcast, what's been some of your favorite topics to cover and favorite stories that you can recall? Wow. I know you've been doing it a while. Yeah, so we regularly talk to people about all sorts of different things. So we've recently talked to somebody about time slips.
00:06:49
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We talked to somebody which was really interesting and there's something that we've touched on a couple of times where people sort of all of a sudden are like in a different sort of Era, they could have gone back like 50 years or just by walking through a door Blows my mind how you could just sort of open a door and just be somewhere some timeouts Which is odd, but I think
00:07:15
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For me, the times when we're talking to guests about it, we've had a guy called Michael that reached out to us and the whole thing was completely weird. We had, you know, when you send an email to somebody and you spell it wrong or whatever and it says this, you get a Microsoft thing back and says, this email can't be reached.
00:07:40
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We actually had that from our email on an email it sent to us saying that the email couldn't be sent to us. It's very strange but had the messaging so I contacted the guy back and we went backwards and forwards for a little bit and then
00:07:57
Speaker
We got him on, we talked to him twice about some like nightly abductions he's having from aliens or entities. We went through his life of paranormal into the entity stuff. A friend requested both me and Ash on Facebook, like we all do, we all sort of like touch base of each other.
00:08:22
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then all of a sudden he's not, doesn't appear to be on Facebook anymore, not been able to get hold of him at all. It's like he's just completely vanished again. He sort of came in weirdly and then
00:08:34
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left willing. So he's been one of our favorite ones because like we're doing now and the people on the podcast when they're listening to this podcast we're actually having a face-to-face conversation on like a Skype type program. So you can see people's reactions and you can see a lot of the time whether or not somebody seems to be pulling the wool over your eyes that we say in the UK or lying or whatever. And this guy just looked completely
00:09:05
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genuine there was times when it went really dark and he was talking about the mental darkness he's faced as part of his journey with these these creatures and that doesn't necessarily come across in the audio so that that's the that was probably one of my most favorite ones just purely from the fact that the way it all came about and mysteriously sort of vanished afterwards but but you actually
00:09:35
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I was just looking through our episode list then just to sort of try and recap because we haven't been doing this for getting close to two years and over about 150 episodes. It's been a lot and it's quite hard to think sort of a favourite but one that sort of stuck with me, one of our earlier ones when we spoke to John Edmunds of Stardust Ranch. Oh yeah. Well that was something that Greg had sort of followed the story for years, been trying to get a hold of him for a long time and we finally got a hold of him.
00:10:01
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and his whole story of Stardust Ranch which is similar to Skinwalker Ranch but in Arizona and his ad like strange creatures on the property he gets attacked by grey aliens which he kills with the samurai sword he tries to stop his wife from being abducted
00:10:20
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on a regular basis and there's other sort of panel activity going on all on his ranch and just to talk to him about his experiences that have been going on for what is like 20 odd years on the ranch and he'd never changed his story he's never been to like try and get fame or anything from it it's just this is his story and that's sort of that was one of our first episodes well putting the first couple of months and that's the sort of one that we go back to quite a lot just because of who the guest was and the whole story
00:10:49
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So we're not sort of stuck through me.
Mediumship and Abductions
00:10:52
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Aside from that one is we've had quite a lot of mediums on his guests and that's something that as sort of more UFO guy hadn't really fought any sort of history with that side of the paranormal.
00:11:03
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And I could have had quite a lot of different mediums on and different types of medium ships and different experiences just hearing all the different sort of gifts that they have and able to contact others and the messes and the gear that has been sort of eye-opening just to hear all the different types of mediumship that has been going on. So probably that's my favourite type of episodes at the minute really.
00:11:28
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It's fun to go down different paths and the good thing about paranormal is it encompasses so much that you're not stuck to one specific topic. There's so much stuff out there and so many different people that experience different things. So what's your guys take on, because it's my favorite thing,
00:11:50
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What's your guys take on the whole like alien UFO abduction phenomenon? I know we touched on it a little bit, but It's I mean It's hard to know because there's so many stories and so many experiences and a lot of them are similar I just it's hard to ignore the fact that so many people having
00:12:17
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these experiences, there's some cases that there is evidence in terms of like time missing and marks on the bodies and even implants in some cases and people just like wipe it off and say now that it's so bullshit, so I made up but you can't ignore just the multitude of cases from all around the world like there's some famous cases in the UK, in the US, all over the world and this, I mean
00:12:44
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Something to, I mean, I like, I kind of do like sort of the X-Files, the way they did it, whereas it was the government sort of pretending to be something else and taking them, which could be what's happening here. But I mean, it's fascinating. I mean, adduction is one that I've sort of looked into quite a lot as part of my UFO work. And we've done a few articles on different abductions and sort of the lesser known sort of adduction cases. And there's a lot that have a lot of evidence to go with them.
00:13:14
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There's one case in Australia where, long story short, there was a family, a couple, and they had her friends staying over. The female friend heard the female of the couple screaming and shouting for help. She runs into the room and sees her in a beam of light.
00:13:33
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and she disappears and then so she wakes the husband up they call the police they come out to search the land on this sort of property can't find anything they get a random phone call a couple of hours later and it's from the female and she's like 500 miles away at a petrol station she'd just been dumped like at the side of the road managed to walk to find a petrol station
00:13:57
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called the police in that part of Australia where she was now who confirmed that she was with him there with her and she is in this place this place 500 miles away but there's no way she could have got from that building to 500 miles away in that space of time and again there was some sort of physical evidence at the property as well so it's just one case where not many people heard of it but
00:14:23
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she was like it's fact that she was there and then she was only 500 miles away and it's basically a couple of hours later there's no way she could have gotten in a car and traveled that distance it's just a really that's just a really interesting case that I love about you Greg what's your abduction so
00:14:45
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Like you say, there's so many people and accounts of it happening and you've got the famous ones. You've got Travis Walton. We've also spoke to a guy called Philip Kinsella who had his own experience in his house when he was younger and even refused to talk about some of the experience because of the nature of what they did to him.
00:15:14
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And I don't know, I don't know. Why not? I think if we're open to think that we're being visited by whatever, then why wouldn't they be? I know you'd put up a post on your Facebook about with a picture of somebody being sort of drawn up into a beam to appear and you're asking about
00:15:43
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like what would you think it is and I put down there's possibly a future us coming back they're doing tests on us to find out
00:15:55
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what went wrong to get to whatever it is in the future. So maybe that's a thought on it. It's definitely some kind of experiment of some kind of sample taking appears to go on. Like you said Ash, people have got marks. Some people say they experience being like on an operating table and they can see these creatures over them and it's
00:16:21
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I don't know. If I'm open to believe everything else that I like to look at and we read into and we discuss on the podcast, why wouldn't I think the abductions take place? And I think I've heard enough stories from people in their experiences that something's definitely happening to these people. What is? Who knows? I don't think you'll ever know unless it happens to you.
00:16:50
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but it doesn't seem impossible if we've been visited by whoever.
00:17:00
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Yeah, I actually saw a program, I can't remember what it was, it was on TV, and it showed a computer-generated graphic, I guess, of what people would look like if evolution kept happening with us staring at screens all the time, our eyes would get bigger.
00:17:22
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we would start eating less so our mouse would get smaller and it ended up turning into like what you would think as a classical gray. So that was really interesting and ties into your theory of them possibly being from the future and coming back and maybe that's why they're so secretive too is they can't really be known.
00:17:46
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Wasn't it a famous astronaut on UK TV? Not wrong though, talked about future humans. Was it? We were discussing it Ash. Tim Peek mentioned it on morning television. He's an astronaut and he's become a bit of a celebrity in the UK being one of our astronauts going to the space station. So he's quite high profile. The morning TV show he was on is Watch By Millions.
00:18:11
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And they were just talking about one of the recent developments in the US and he talked to him about it. He was talking about like the different theories about, he mentioned inter-dimensional, it could be that. He mentioned it could be future humans. And it was taught like in a serious manner, it wasn't like jokingly. He was saying like, I believe it could be this. This is from like coming from an actual like astronaut that's well-respected. So it's just cool to hear him talking about it in like that way. It was pretty good.
00:18:37
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All right, so we'll start with, yeah, go ahead. So I was gonna say what you mentioned then about the future humans and the way that we evolve. I was listening to an anthropologist a while ago and he was talking about how we sort of became, how we appear now and how we became sort of intelligent and it's because we stood up. It's like we're the only creature on earth that stood up and then because we stood up on two legs,
00:19:03
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The gap at the back of our heads widened and that allowed our brain to grow bigger and that allowed us to gain more intelligence and as we evolved our brains became bigger.
00:19:14
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and obviously we evolved into homo sapiens now and obviously very intelligent species but because we stand up we get a lot of back problems as a species but that's the like genetic sort of evolution is going to give you a bad back back problems because you're standing up on two feet rather than four but the plus side is you have the bigger brain and you're able to evolve and survive because you have big intelligence so you follow that forward like you say
00:19:40
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the head getting bigger like sort of the gray alien, typical gray alien got sort of the big heads because they have a bigger brain so it's just again further down the evolutionary trait is the bigger head with the bigger brain the bigger eyes from the screens so it just sort of tie in with that and if we hadn't stood up like a million millions of years ago with the silving and like something crawling on all fours like the rest of the creatures are
00:20:02
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It does tie into that. Also, evolution is happening to humans as we speak as well because children are now being born without wisdom teeth. My boyfriend. Yeah, so they reckon children's faces, the shape of children's faces is going to change over the years.
00:20:24
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because we're all born with wisdom teeth already and they just sort of move and whatnot over the years. Children are now being born without them because we don't need them. It is wild to think about. Yeah, it's odd, completely odd.
Bigfoot Theories and Connections
00:20:41
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So I guess that's a good segue into the whole Bigfoot phenomenon. So I'm going to have to ask the same thing about that since we're talking about creatures standing up in the hall. What's your guys take on the whole Bigfoot phenomenon?
00:21:00
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What do you think? You think they're real? You think they're out there? Do you think they're like leftover hominids or are they like interdimensional beings? And then I've heard some things where they like kind of are seen with UFOs and stuff like that. So I'll hear your guys take on that.
00:21:21
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Greg's got the t-shirt on, so I'll let you go. Oh, it's all there. Yeah. Oh, there it is. He's got the big foot in you. Yeah, yeah. Available on our website. Just a little plug. So, at the start of this journey that me and Ash have been on, at the start of the podcast,
00:21:45
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It wasn't something that I really knew much about, really thought it was more of like a romantic type of idea that there's this unknown species in the woods.
00:21:58
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blah, blah, blah. But the more we talk about it and the more we speak to experts, people who've had experiences, there definitely seems to be something in it. Even in the UK, which we don't have half a tiny speck of the percentage of wildlife and wilderness that you guys have over in the States, there's still reports of similar type creatures in the UK.
00:22:27
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And I think the only way we can explain some of that is interdimensional, alien related, so UFO related. There are hotspots where cryptids are spotted with UFOs and other kind of experiences at the same time. Ash was talking about Stardust Ranch, similar type thing happened there. Skinwalker Ranch, they've had
00:22:55
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creatures coming out of portals over the ranch so I'm more of a believer now than I was right at the start. Yeah so similar to Greg I've always had an interest in the whole big-foot thing didn't think it could be in the UK but there's literally hundreds of reports
00:23:15
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that are from the UK and from some of the places where you think there's no way, like there'd be a small park with a bit of woodland and it's surrounded by housing estates yet there's like multiple reports of Bigfoot sighting, it's like how, it's like the middle of a housing estate is surrounded by houses, there's no way it could go. But if you look at the interdimensional aspect of it, it could easily, if you just come in and go in dimensions of dimension, there's no reason why you can't be in that small park.
00:23:43
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it does explain sort of how they can be seen. I'm actually a member of the Bigfoot Research Team UK. We go out into the forest, we set up the equipment, we talk to different people that have had experiences, we take sort of sightings reports. And like similar to the last topic, adduction, just that many reports independent of each other, even going back hundreds and thousands of years,
00:24:08
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similarly parts from different parts of the world like there has to be something there like we we we've done episodes on yaoi in australia and some of the like sort of before the brits came over and sort of the aboriginals they had folklore and legends going back hundreds and hundreds of years of ape men and like and he would be like sort of they kept away from each other they respected each other sort of land that was his land they did it in coach they didn't coach into the humans land
00:24:38
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And this case is from like Native American time where they reported seeing a moon shape in the sky and monkeys coming out of the moon.
00:24:48
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So that's like, that's how they describe it was like monkeys coming out of the moon. It's really trying to sort of think of how we would interpret that. Is it a craft in the sky and Bigfoot coming out of the craft? That's kind of what they're describing when they're saying they saw monkeys coming out of the moon in the sky.
00:25:09
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And there is like, obviously people say that UFOs drop off Bigfoot, it's like a pet, all they do, they abduct Bigfoot, the same as they abduct humans to do experiments and stuff on. So again, that link is just there, always. Whatever sort of avenue you go down, whether it's Bigfoot, abduction, UFOs, over cryptids, UFOs are there.
00:25:33
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there's other aspects of the paranormal is always there it's never sort of isolated cases it's two they are all interconnected one way or another you can't have one about the other it seems the more we look into it and there's a new documentary that's just come out i will just plug them because i know they're we've uh they're coming off my show yeah aren't they? Secrets of the Sasquatch by Dockside Media Chris and Tyler um
00:26:03
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awesome guys but they're documentary we really enjoyed that I was really it was a good take on the sort of Bigfoot Sasquatch sort of phenomena and their the experiences of people they interviewed have had so that's cool so check out everybody
00:26:25
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Yeah, I watched that too and I like how they went different angles like it wasn't just One angle at it. There was multiple because they had to walk her on there again. Yeah, she had a different angle and Then you had the guy from think Pennsylvania actually that was like very like straight leased and he's like, I don't know I I
00:26:49
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i believe they're out here but you know he wasn't into like the fantasizing of it or anything he was very like straightforward and i was actually just talking to a guy um and he had a different theory of bigfoot and he said that
00:27:06
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what if because we were talking about hollow earth and um he said what if they just live in the cave systems and stuff that we don't venture into and then they pop out from time to time to wander around and you know it just i never thought about that before so it made me think like oh yeah that's actually a good theory
00:27:27
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yeah i suppose in america you have what are they called like the massive underground cave or something it's called like when you look at the actual map of american where the caves actually are and how far they stretch underground it's just phenomenal like obviously lots of people go missing trying to explore it and a lot of it is just unexplored like yeah it's a legitimate reason and again in the uk it's a similar thing where
00:27:51
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You can get from city to city underground in abandoned coal mines, in old railways that aren't used anymore and in just natural cave formations you can't get across many miles underground.
00:28:04
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that aren't generally humans don't generally go down there because it's all blocked off, it's unsafe, it's just unexplored. So yeah, again, it could explain both the UK and America as well. But America does have the massive, is it called the massive cave system? I'm not sure exactly what it's called. I know we have a bunch of different caves. It's got a good hyperball, I think. It's actually called massive or something like that. I'm sure it's something like that.
00:28:29
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but there's like cave systems like all over the states like not too far from me there's loré caverns and there are massive tunnel systems you can actually take tours down there and you can't get to every part but they'll take you to like the main parts and i know in the northwest and midwest there's a bunch of cave systems so
00:28:55
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What's your take on Bigfoot then? What do you think he or she is? So I think they are leftover hominids. So like you know how you see in magazines or National Geographic or wherever like they found like Lucy skeleton and then there was like Australia pithycine and all that.
00:29:19
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I think there's some type of branch of early comedy and they just happen to escape slaughter and they take refuge in cave systems and in the deep woods where people don't really venture and then of course you have like Yeti and they're in like the mountain mountainous regions that there's not a lot of people and
00:29:46
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South America, I'm sure they have in the Amazon and stuff like that. So that's my take on it. I think they're just left over and the whole alien connection, maybe the aliens are just abducting them and doing tests on them just like they are us. And maybe we're both products of alien DNA tampering. Yeah, maybe, maybe. I think one thing when we did our very first episode actually on Yowie,
00:30:16
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we've talked about all the different ones like the Yering, Yeti, Bigfoot, Yowie. All these ones like China, India, all these different places. And they are very similar in descriptions, are very similar in behaviour and sort of place where living soil is like forest regions or mountain regions. And obviously
00:30:37
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so many thousand millions of years ago before the constant split it could have all been sort of together and obviously going back a long time but as the continents have split and come apart they obviously then evolved into their own sort of subspecies of the same sort of forefather sort of thing and when it is like they all come back to the same ancestor i think that's the way i'm looking for originally before like
00:31:07
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the content split. Because when you look at reports, and mostly from hundreds and hundreds of years ago, how they saw it in Australia, sort of know about Bigfoot in America. Whereas if it happened today, you think, oh, did I just read it on the internet? I'm not going to make up a story based on what someone saw in America. Whereas hundreds and thousands of years ago, and two different communities and different parts of the world that don't know the other exists yet, are both reporting and seeing the same type of creature acting the same way.
00:31:37
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It's not that in the newspaper. They're just having them experiences. They are both seeing something independently of each other So it's got to be something something in it. Yeah, I have a wild theory and it's just my personal theory and it might be rubbish, but like Pangea, like you said when everything was together all the land masses what if
00:32:02
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what if all the like pyramids around the world and all that stuff happened during that time and then the cataclysm happened and they all spread apart like you were saying and that's why there's so much similarities and so many different stories but they're all similar but in different regions of the world it's just you know like i said a crazy theory that i think about
00:32:29
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Yeah, because there's a lot of temples and buildings, specifically pyramids, and the Aztecs have got a certain kind of building, and there you can see stuff like that in other civilizations across the world that couldn't have known about each other, like Lekash was talking about. So how could any of that have all happened? Yeah, it's just as likely, like you said, it all happened at the same time.
00:32:57
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and then it all splits and that's why it's there a part or there's something in it but
00:33:05
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and if you throw like um biblical reference in like maybe that was part of like the tower of babble when they were trying to you know build something to god or something and they got uh spread apart in different languages and stuff like that i don't know i was just trying to tie it all together yeah it's it's just such a like a massive rabbit hole when you think like how can all this be
00:33:31
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How can it all be linked? There's so many ways you can sort of go off and think about. Is it aliens? Is it, I don't know, re-civilization of the world? We've gone extinct and we've been repopulated and it's just the old stuff.
00:33:51
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or the universe was created yesterday and it's all been implanted in memory we'd have no way of knowing if we weren't all created today yeah yeah it's time to long this going down the whole everything there's no history there's no there's no past there's no present oh sorry there's no past there's no future all time is happening right now so everything that's ever happened and everything that will ever happen is now
00:34:19
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So like you say Ash, we're just, it is what
Simulation Theory and Reality Codes
00:34:23
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it is. So what do you guys think about, it's becoming very popular now, like this simulation theory where we're in a simulation. I'll tell you what, I picked up a shitty character if that's a... How did I get somebody else to work all the time? But yeah, I don't see why.
00:34:45
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Like I say, anything seems to be on the table for me now. The more we look into stuff, the less we seem to get closer to the answer. It just seems that a little bit further away. I'm up for it. It's like the patterns in nature and I'm alligator.
00:35:04
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smaller and smaller with the split in the atom and the split in the small atoms and the quantum nano getting smaller and smaller and smaller then when they do you know they're getting smaller and smaller when they open it up so to speak it's the same sort of pattern as what was there but just on a minuscule can't even think about how small we actually they actually are but they still have so much inside them and it's just
00:35:37
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How can it be? You only have to look at the James Webb Space Telescope pictures to try and figure out how small we are in the grand scheme of things and we are pathetically small so going down to that atomic level
00:36:00
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And like you said, there's patterns and everything. How is maths a thing? Maths seems to be the explain, allows us to work out everything.
00:36:14
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yeah it's like a code yeah and then you get like um there's people that are into like i forget what it's called numerology and stuff like that and they can find like number patterns and everything like from like sports betting to like biblical code and it all like breaks down to math mathematics so weird yeah the bible code is is good it's
00:36:39
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I've read a couple of books on the Bible Code and how people finding stuff in that is just...
00:36:46
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I don't know, I don't know. But yeah, it's another possibility of everything that's happening is we're in a simulation. And we can create now artificial communities, artificial intelligence. It's not too far beyond a step for them to become sort of, not self-aware, but self-living. And where they're all sort of living their life, you know, they're created by us.
00:37:16
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So that's only a little step beyond where we are now in fact that we could create was like humanity in Microchip and it is that all we are could be Easily good, you know, that would be pretty sad Just a big petri dish that we explain calling me needs to step up their game Yeah, throw some more coins my way
00:37:47
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It is a fun theory to think about though. It's like, what if we are all just the coded program that's running and maybe not controlled by anybody, but just set to run and we're just living out whatever code it is.
00:38:03
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yeah definitely yes yes it's a good theory as any other theory i suppose because there's like times in my life that like it feels like it was like preordained to happen like there was no way around doing whatever whatever event it is it's like it i had a choice i guess but not really it doesn't feel like it's almost like it was meant to be regardless yeah so whichever choice you fixed point yeah
00:38:31
Speaker
So wherever, whichever choice you made was still gonna, it was still gonna happen. So me and Ash, when we started the podcast, we met through like a mutual appreciation of poker. And then since then, we've had guests on, they live in places where, like down the road from me, but they're the same place in America, like names of cities and towns. And then like we speak to Chris and Tyler,
00:39:01
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I'm from Dockside Media and it turns out they're local to you and we've spoken to you. Yeah, they're from my hometown. It's just insane and we speak to loads of people. We were talking about somebody who was recommended to us the other day and he belongs to like the Oxford Paranormal Society in America and Oxford's like 10 minutes from me in the UK.
00:39:25
Speaker
and just all these weird things we interviewed a guest and he grew up in the same village that my best friend grew up in and we spent we would have been roughly around the same time in the same village and it's just like loads of weird things happen we have weird experiences me and Ash on our recordings weird stuff happens and I said to him the other day I said something like it
00:39:51
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Like loads of weird stuff happens that we seem to be on a path. So for you just saying that, that ties in with what me and Ash were talking about the other day. It was just like a random late night message I sent him.
00:40:07
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whilst I'm high on my prescription papers. There's a lot of coincidences. Definitely. Very straight. It's like my podcast. Before I did this, I tried to do a video game website type of thing.
00:40:24
Speaker
And everything just seemed so hard to get it going and do all the work for it and stuff like that. So I gave up on that. And then I was like, I want to do a podcast. And I was thinking what I could talk about. I was like, well, I've always been into X-Files type stuff.
00:40:41
Speaker
So I was like, I'm going to do a podcast about that. And everything just seemed so tough flow, so easy and everything just kind of like lined up. And it's still like snowballing, I feel like. And it's almost like, like I said, it's destined to happen. And whereas the video game website wasn't meant to happen. So that's why I had so much resistance to like get it going.
00:41:09
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It's just odd, it's weird. I feel you there. I've thought I've had ideas in the past and it's just like everything just seems so different. And then I met Ash and it's just non-stop. We just... We didn't even plan anything. We didn't even talk to each other. We didn't really even know each other. And then he just messaged me and said, you want to start a podcast? Pretty much that's how it was two weeks later.
00:41:38
Speaker
We had a podcast and now it's like nearly two years. I'm 200 episodes nearly. It's just don't know what's happening. This is crazy. Yeah, it's weird. Yeah, the synchronicities and like my fiance and I were talking about how like you could be talking about someone and then they pop up sure enough and like where does that come from?
Manifestation and Lost Abilities
00:42:00
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Because it happens all the time.
00:42:02
Speaker
Yeah my my daughter keeps talking about manifestations and manifesting stuff and like talking about stuff makes it happen so I don't know if I'm quite that far down the line with believing that but weird weird stuff does seem to happen for definite. We were talking with Tyler actually from Dockside last week about so is there some sort of lost
00:42:26
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gift that humans have that would just either through evolution or through other things have sort of lost it where you can connect on a obviously on a subconscious level with other people like we're talking about like you can sort of feel when someone's staring at you you know you can't see it you're there's some sort of part of you that recognizes someone's looking at you and they're saying that when someone talks about you your ears burn these different things and when you say about thinking about someone and suddenly they call you or they message you
00:42:56
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maybe you're thinking of them so there's somehow think of you in return that message does get to them because you're thinking about them and there's that gift that humans have that maybe mediums still have it but majority of people don't have that anymore we've not we've lost it or we've closed the third eye or whoever they refer to it
00:43:15
Speaker
and then but that's it's still on some level it's still there so you're thinking about them somehow they picked up on that however many miles away they are I thought oh I've not seen Jamie in a while let's just text him see how he is and it's because you were thinking of them and somehow they've picked up on that and some wavelength
00:43:32
Speaker
somewhere that because obviously all atoms are connected we're getting closer again in science sir is it quantum or quarks or whatever it is where you can two atoms not connected they can control nothing different i think like 20 feet away so they've got the distance they've got so far or something
00:43:51
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and the way they can connect with nothing. I don't know what I'm talking about anymore. But it's that theory. It sounded good. It sounded good. Every atom is connected. And again, we're built for atoms. It goes down to the basic level. We're just bits of hydrogen and oxygen and carbon. We're the same as a tree or whatever, literally, basically. It's all like energy.
00:44:21
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Yeah, so Angie, so it is some sort of lost gift that we can Just don't have that gift anymore if that makes sense, but I just There's this thing called like the cosmic download where people say that if you like meditate a certain way or you can like tap into this universal knowledge that's out there just floating around and
00:44:50
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they can some that's why they think like some people like Nikola Tesla and Einstein they were able to like tap into that like universal like knowledge and like that's why they drew all those like theories and inventions and stuff like that and it kind of goes into like
00:45:10
Speaker
I don't know. I used to watch basketball a lot and there was games where and this was when Allen Iverson was in the league and he was a very famous basketball player here in the States. But it was like he couldn't miss the basket. Like he would score. You'd be like, how the hell do you make that shot?
00:45:30
Speaker
and it was like he was tapped into some higher level of consciousness or something that like and then there was nights where he was just cold like he couldn't hit anything and or couldn't score at all and it's just the crazy thing to think about yeah definitely definitely there's a crazy world out there
00:45:52
Speaker
So if you guys, are there any like dream guests or any topics that you still wanna cover or someone you wanna talk
Dream Guests and Influences
00:46:04
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to? Like if you could get any guests on, who would your pick be? Good question. So we've had a few people, and there is one guest that I've always wanted on, but I don't really think he,
00:46:21
Speaker
certainly nowadays doesn't really fit with with what the podcast is so I've been a long time sort of follower of the work of David Icke. David Icke is
00:46:37
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well he it's very difficult to explain David Ike but yeah so he's got a lot of good theories about a lot of stuff and a lot of weird theories about a lot of weird stuff but
00:46:56
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I think he'd be very interesting guests. For anybody who's aware of him, he definitely is a polarizing figure. People either like him or they don't like him. I've got a lot of his books which talk about coincidences in conspiracy theories, which isn't something we really touch on in our podcast. And it's just fascinating to see his process behind it. And he was talking years ago, like 20 years ago about
00:47:24
Speaker
high-profile pedophiles in the UK and politicians and celebrities and everybody was saying that's rubbish that's rubbish and now we've got this thing called Operation U-tree in the UK where all these top celebrities from like the 60s 70s and 80s are all tumbling because they've all been found that they've been touching kids or acting inappropriately with minors back in the early days of TV
00:47:53
Speaker
and all the stuff he said about in those books is all like true and he's like if it was ever false why are people not suing me because they don't want the truth to come out so he's a guest i'd really like to talk to however i don't think we'd ever get in and be
00:48:14
Speaker
Yeah, it's not really doesn't fit in with the podcast anymore. That's a long story. Well, if I ever get them on as a guest, I'll have you on his coast. Yeah, definitely. I'd love to chat to him. I've been fascinated by his work and he covers all like the aliens, reptilians, energy, conspiracies, all that kind of stuff. So it's a good stuff, but he's got some way out theories that I don't necessarily agree with.
00:48:44
Speaker
He used to do like six, eight hour like conference things at the Wembley Stadium. Yeah, sold out stuff. It's just like insane. He'd get more people coming to him than some football teams in the UK, soccer teams in the States.
00:49:01
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he's one of the first ones i listened to when i started like looking into you know fringe stuff same conspiracies yeah same same and he was ridiculed for a long time um due to the way that the press
00:49:18
Speaker
sort of focusing on the joke side of him being like saying he's like the son of god and all this kind of stuff and he was just ridiculed but yeah, very polarizing figure. How about you Ash? Sorry I went on quite a bit there. So for me I guess, I mean I'm a pop punk, evil boy at heart and I grew up listening to like Blink-182 and Green Day and all types of bands
00:49:45
Speaker
And Tom DeLonge, we still isn't playing right too, Tom's not part of him anymore, he's a different singer, but Tom DeLonge then obviously went into TGSA and that's like my two loves just combined in Tom and the work he's done and effing that's up to, I mean yeah, Tom DeLonge would just be.
00:50:03
Speaker
Because he's always gone through aliens, even like the early days of McManus too when he was still a teenager. And in interviews he's talking about crass referrals and bodies and aliens and everything. He's been there his whole life and obviously now he's had the money and the time through the last few years.
00:50:22
Speaker
left the music well did leave the music and i went into ufo which why why wouldn't you want to do that you had the money and the time to do it and then obviously now he's come back into music a bit more now we've only done airways but yeah tom de long just uh he's he he knows a lot of stuff as well he knows a lot of high profile people a lot of stuff he's not said that he knows that he can't talk about and stuff and yeah the start to him would be a dream a dream come true
00:50:49
Speaker
He's supposed to play in Manchester near me in March. I'm going to go with a sign saying thank you for teacher saying everything and trying to see. I'm one of those that I'll wait for five hours after the gig for them to come out and to see him and stuff. I'll be there. I'll wait for China to see him cancelled in the end. But yeah, turned along would be fine. I've got another one. I've got another one. It would never happen. Alpha C Clark.
00:51:17
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So Arthur C. Clarke is, so he was the inventor of the communication satellite. He designed it back in wherever. He was an English guy, moved out to Sri Lanka and sort of retired and done all this stuff. But he had a program called Arthur C. Clarke's World of Strange Mysteries. And that is the program that got me into
00:51:38
Speaker
this whole journey when I was younger there was a story about a poltergeist case and it freaked me out completely and it was always talking about stigmata and crystal skulls and all this kind of thing and that was the the one part when I thought actually this stuff's really fascinating and that's started taking my own journey he's a long time dead now I think he was in his 90s when he died but
00:52:06
Speaker
that would be one because that would be my proper fanboy moment i think how about you Jeremiah who's your ideal guest who would you be looking for
00:52:17
Speaker
Oh man. It'd probably be hard to get him on, but maybe not. I don't know. Well, the episode airing on Monday tomorrow is one of my dream guests, L.A. Marzulli. I just like the guy. He's very passionate. He's got a different take on the whole alien and UFO thing. It's not for everyone because he's more religious based. So he's more on the aliens or demons and stuff like that.
00:52:47
Speaker
He has gone a long time trying to uncover like giant skeletons and elongated skulls and Stuff to back up his claim and so that was one of my dream guests But the other one that I haven't done yet and I'll I'll try to reach out to him. Maybe who knows but uh, Graham Hancock I don't know if you guys know him. He's from UK, too. I
00:53:14
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, shout out the gods. Yeah. Is it? Yeah. Oh, no, that was pandanican.
00:53:21
Speaker
Graham Hancock's the one who's always on Jovrogan for like Ayahuasca and he wrote Fingerprints of the Gods, I think Yeah, where he talks about the pyramids and all that so yeah, he's one of my dream guests to track down and I really want to talk to him because he's got so much to talk about and I like his works as well
00:53:44
Speaker
just the um not just the ayahuasca side but like the ancient past and forgotten civilizations and all that stuff that he talks about that's cool yeah just fire him a message you know he might be on online at that time and it pops up yeah you never know that's how i think we've got lucky with some of our guests they just sort of they read the message at the right time um let's do the interview
00:54:12
Speaker
Oh, I actually had another dream guest. I emailed him. His name's Michael Talinger, and he's from South Africa. He actually responded to me and said, I can't do it right now because I'm starting this one small town. I guess he's building a small town in South Africa.
00:54:35
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he's like contact me back in October and I'll come on so I was like sweet so yeah that's cool I'll reach out to him again in October and that'll be another dream guest off the list awesome that's cool yeah sometimes it just needs that one one message and if you hit them at the right time and exactly
00:54:57
Speaker
I've learned to try to reach out to people when they're not doing any type of tours or anything like that. And sometimes they'll be like, sorry, I can't do it. Or sometimes they'll be like, reach out to me in a few months or whatever. But I think a lot of people are willing to talk and share their experience.
Tech and Accessibility in Podcasting
00:55:21
Speaker
Definitely. And I think now, because the technology allows us to do it, they don't need to go anywhere. They can just sit in there.
00:55:27
Speaker
bedroom or wherever and just speak into a device they don't necessarily have to do anything. I think that definitely opens up guests a lot more. Oh yeah for sure. Makes it easy for people for definite. So for the audience where can they find you, reach out to you, I'll let you plug all your stuff. Go to us. Now the podcast is pursuit of the paranormal podcast you can find it on
00:55:55
Speaker
Spotify, Apple, anywhere, you're looking to your podcast. All our links are on our link tree, which is linktree.com. You've got our Buy Me Coffee on there, our website. You can listen to the show on there. You can buy our merch on there. We do two episodes a week at least, every Saturday, every Tuesday. Different topics. We're increasing that to three episodes weekly very soon.
00:56:19
Speaker
This is hard work. We have a TikTok, Pursuit of the Paranormal podcast, which we are sort of concentrating on at the minute, trying to get a younger crowd involved. Yeah, just Pursuit of the Paranormal on Facebook, on Instagram, Twitter, just search Pursuit of the Paranormal, and you'll find us. All right, well, thank you guys for coming on and talking with us. And we went down a lot of different rabbit holes, but it was fun. Yeah, well, thanks for having us on.
00:57:12
Speaker
Yeah, good to see you again.