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S1 E50 - Tom Franklin, podcaster and paranormal experiencer
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For the final podcast in 2025, in this week's episode i had the pleasure to talk to Tom Franklin, host of the Eye of Jupiter Podcast
From at the age of 8, Tom told me how he experienced Lights flickering, shoes being thrown and doors slamming
He spoke about his time in Germany where he saw the shadow hat man.
We spoke about him starting the Eye of Jupiter Podcast in 2023
And finally he told me about his time living in Mexico, where he experienced misty figures, Having rocks thrown at him and bluish white lights
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Transcript
Intro
Introduction of Guest and Podcast
00:00:12
Lee Hatfield
Hello everybody and welcome to the latest episode of Super Paranormal Chronicles. My name's Lee, I'm your host and tonight I have got the quietest person in the world.
00:00:26
Lee Hatfield
I'm lying of course. I've got Tom Franklin who is the host of the Eye of the Jupiter podcast. Tom, welcome.
00:00:34
Tom Franklin
wealth Welcome to the show. I'm glad I'm glad i'm here. it's It's not the eye of the Jupiter, it's the eye of Jupiter, but fair enough.
00:00:43
Lee Hatfield
I said that, the eye of Jupiter.
00:00:43
Tom Franklin
there's an You said of the Jupiter. You threw two two articles in there.
00:00:47
Lee Hatfield
lock Look, look, it's a planet.
00:00:50
Lee Hatfield
Leave me alone.
00:00:51
Tom Franklin
but Fair enough, man. Lee, thank you for having me on, man. I'm glad to be here.
00:00:57
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, and as per my introduction, you now know he's not quiet.
00:01:05
Lee Hatfield
So we've been talking offline for the last about the last 20 minutes. You're in Mexico.
00:01:11
Tom Franklin
Yes. You
00:01:12
Lee Hatfield
No doubt it's really nice and warm. I hate you because it's like minus 17 and we've got snow on the ground.
00:01:20
Tom Franklin
you don't even know me, Lee.
00:01:25
Lee Hatfield
So I'm assuming it's nice and hot where you are.
00:01:27
Tom Franklin
Yeah, we we are currently at about this time of year is a very nice time year. It's a dry season. So between like the end of November till March, it starts to get a little warm again.
00:01:40
Tom Franklin
Well, a little warm in comparison to I think you're in Canada, I believe.
00:01:43
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:01:44
Tom Franklin
Yeah, it's like so right now it's about every day about 30 degrees Celsius, sunny skies and beautiful weather.
00:01:52
Lee Hatfield
And I'm just going to hit stop on this recording now.
00:01:55
Tom Franklin
He's lying, folks. He's lying. Don't believe him.
00:01:57
Lee Hatfield
yeah OK, Tom, so as I said, and I will correct myself, you are the host of the Eye of Jupiter podcast.
00:02:05
Tom Franklin
Yes, sir. Yeah,
00:02:07
Lee Hatfield
However, what I'd like to do, let's go back in time, do a bit of time travel.
Tom's First Paranormal Experiences
00:02:12
Lee Hatfield
And what was your first paranormal experience or what got you involved with the paranormal?
00:02:19
Lee Hatfield
And yeah how did your life go on from there?
00:02:20
Tom Franklin
yeah well, the... Yeah, Lee, thanks for asking. like it's It started at eight years old for me, and whether I wanted it or not was what happened. So my family and I, we we were my dad was in between jobs, and we had to move to my grandmother's house. And she lived in a row home on 337 South Fulton Avenue in Baltimore, Maryland.
00:02:44
Tom Franklin
That way you can look it up on Google Maps. It's a real place. And so it's a row home. So in Baltimore, Philadelphia, they're kind of the same style. So there's blocks and blocks of houses that look the same.
00:02:56
Tom Franklin
And so this particular house, you when you go up the steps, you go to the left. That's where my grandmother and her husband slept. And then if you go to the right towards the back of the house, there was two rooms with no corridor between them. So you have to go through the rooms.
00:03:12
Tom Franklin
And then in the very back of the house is where the bathroom was. So my parents... lived or slept in the first bedroom. And then my sister and I, we were, i was eight. So, 88. Yeah, I was eight and she was seven. She slept, we both slept in the same room.
00:03:30
Tom Franklin
And on the weekends, my mother would have partial custody of my half sister. And she was about 13 at the time. Yeah, 75. I was eight. so Yeah, And every weekend when she came over, Lee, not every weekend, but darn near every weekend when she came over, things would happen of now I've come to know as the poltergeist type nature.
00:03:54
Tom Franklin
So, i mean what I know now looking back is that I know that you know adolescent females, when they start to reach a certain part of their life, puberty, things like that, and they've had trouble past, which I also found out later was something that's true.
00:04:10
Tom Franklin
There seems to be this phenomenon where objects are moving around the room. It's it's it's somewhat sentient sometimes. Sometimes it's not. but she would come and it would be like a Friday, Friday night. Uh, we all, were you know, sent to bed and nine o'clock, things like that.
00:04:27
Tom Franklin
And, when you go into the room, so you go to the first room and then you get to the second room, there's a doorway there. The door swang into the room to the left. So if you're looking out of the room, it would be on your right side in the room you're standing in. That's important detail later.
00:04:44
Tom Franklin
And I just remember one night we're going to bed. This is a an amalgamation of a few nights. I can't remember all the details other than the fact that I know it wasn't just one occurrence.
Poltergeist Phenomena and Personal Stories
00:04:55
Tom Franklin
And so we're in the room. I'm in a separate bed on the far wall when you go into the room on the right side. And they're on the close wall the near wall when you first walk in together in a bed.
00:05:06
Tom Franklin
So we're just going to sleep. And suddenly all the the lights started just flicking off and on. like in the room and we didn't know what, you know, we were freaking out We're like, what, you know, we're kids, we're screaming and, and, and, uh, carrying on and crying. And, uh, my parents, you know, it's Friday night, they're letting, uh, letting their hair down per se, having a good time, listening to their American country music and having a good time.
00:05:31
Tom Franklin
And, uh, so they're like, what are you doing up there? Stop playing around and go to bed. so, you know, we tried, then, Like I said, at the it's it's been 30 years ago, no longer than that, 37 years ago.
00:05:44
Tom Franklin
And so this is in the summer of 1988, very hot summer, by the way. I remember that. Uh, and, so we're trying to go back to sleep. This is still kind of happening. It flick on once in a while, off once in a while. We would, we touched a switch. I remember kind of, and we didn't know what was going on. And, were just laying there in the beds and then suddenly all of a sudden there was like a row of shoes when he came into the room on the left side where you would walk past him to get to the bathroom in the back.
00:06:12
Tom Franklin
And it was like, i don't know, maybe five, six pairs of shoes. They were being literally like thrown at us by an and something unseen in the dark. So I remember actually getting hit and seeing like stars a little bit. Like I got hit in the head and I'm like, who's throwing the shoes? And they're over there screaming and crying, both of them like with their sheets pulled up and, you know, recoiling from the horror and getting hit and screaming. And then my parents, what the hell's going on up there? And My little sister, I was not the brave one in this one, by the way. I'm not brave at all. I was the weenie from all of them. And so my little sister, younger than me, what goes down the steps, tells them, they're like, oh, your older sister's playing tricks on you. Just go to bed.
00:06:53
Tom Franklin
So, okay, so we're in the bed. And we're trying to go sleep again. Like guess I don't remember this was the same night or a different was two, three times, maybe four. So there was one instance, Lee, I'm laying in the bed and there's a space between the wall and the bed like normal. And it felt like something reached up between the bed and put its hand squarely on my chest. It felt like I could feel digits, everything. And I literally jumped out of bed and I'm like, what the hell? What's going on? as Something touched me.
00:07:22
Tom Franklin
And my little sister was like, oh my God. And she ran down the steps. I'm standing in the middle of the room. just shaking. and my little My older sister's trying to calm me down. It's okay. you know Just relax. Everything's going to be okay. Don't worry, Tom.
00:07:36
Tom Franklin
Okay, okay. So my little sister goes down. Once again, the same thing, go up the steps. By the way, people, listen to your children. this Discard us from pretty much our whole lives.
00:07:49
Tom Franklin
She comes up the steps and she's standing, she's walking through the room to come to my room Now, remember, the door is now swung into the room I'm standing in. I take like two three steps towards the door, and but I'm maybe, i don't know, four foot away from the door frame itself with the door in the room where I'm standing.
00:08:11
Tom Franklin
And I say to her, what did they say? And as I said that, Lee, the door slammed right in both of our faces. And they say fight or flight, but there's also freeze. It's three F's. You know, it's, it's, it's alliteration to the fullest. It's fight, fight, or fear. And I had.
00:08:30
Tom Franklin
or fight, fight and freeze. And I froze. I couldn't move a muscle. It was the scariest thing I've ever experienced up to date. Even even now, it's still the scariest thing I've ever remembered my life. I mean, I've been to war, okay? So no big deal. She opens the door and says, did you slam the door in my face? And I said, you know, like a mouse, like a church mouse. I was like, no. And she goes, okay. And then like grabs me, turns me and walks me to the bed. Like, you we can hit Bernie's or something lays me in the bed. And my older sister comes over and let me put a sheet on you and puts the sheet on me.
00:09:06
Tom Franklin
And we there was still other occurrences, you know, every once the light would flick off and on. And there was one other thing I kind of vaguely remember where felt like, There was air drafts between the sheet and the bed, and I could feel it blow. And you could actually see them on the sheet making like these ripples.
00:09:22
Tom Franklin
And that was freaking me out. It was it was the damnedest thing, honestly.
00:09:28
Lee Hatfield
And it's, I love it how when people tell these kinds of stories and they had their first encounter at an early age, I love it how everybody puts the sheet up above the head, like, like that's going to protect you.
00:09:38
Tom Franklin
oh yeah. Yeah.
00:09:41
Tom Franklin
it's It's kind of like a cloak or a veil of protection that doesn't do, i if I can't see it, it doesn't exist.
00:09:45
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:09:47
Lee Hatfield
Exactly, exactly. So when you was a little bit older, did you actually do any research to see if if there's any history from that property of of what was happening?
00:10:01
Tom Franklin
I never did any research because I was young. we We moved around a lot. So that was 88. And then we moved to another house in the same, like at the end of the summer. So, but I do remember my grandmother never told me these things. And
Veiled Figures and Shadow Demons
00:10:14
Tom Franklin
she ended up telling my sister some parts of certain things. And she I remember the one that she told me. So she would sit across the street from this house.
00:10:23
Tom Franklin
And this is Brooks's house. She's no longer with us, so therefore I can say her name. And they would sit on the front steps on, you know, on the evenings and have a beer and talk and, you know, old older lady stuff.
00:10:35
Tom Franklin
And she, i remember her telling me that she saw one time like a veiled... something like a woman she said walking in and out of the houses one night and she thought that she was going crazy also during this time before we moved out i actually asked my parents if they could move in the back room and we moved to the front room so there's the two rooms so we moved to the one in the middle hot hot as the dickens in the summer you know air no air conditioning back then man this is the 80s and
00:11:06
Tom Franklin
My mother told me later that she never felt comfortable in that room as if something was constantly staring at her. So, but actual looking into it, I went there at a later date too, maybe two years later, some other family we knew. knew So Mrs. Brooks' daughter actually moved into the same house and she had some children that were my age.
00:11:27
Tom Franklin
And we were playing video games one day, but I remember in that room playing like Nintendo, the old one, with the square, well, the rectangular controller just kind of checking the corners, man. But no, no actual like, you know, going in with a meter or something.
00:11:38
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. And do you know if Mrs. Brooks's family experienced anything in that property?
00:11:45
Tom Franklin
No, I don't. No, I don't. It was, they were kind of, my dad is a different kind of man compared to some of the people there. My dad is old school and he's just like, you know, we don't really, first of all, he never believed me.
00:11:58
Tom Franklin
He didn't believe us. So we we never really had that kind of connection to him and they weren't exactly the best of people. You know, there was like, they were having some issues too. i don't want to get too far into that. They have their own privacy as well. But, I remember my dad and never believed he's still, he's in his seventies. He still doesn't really believe us. My mom kind of does, but I've actually had my sister on my show like a long, long time ago. I can't get her back on to, uh, actually collaborate, uh, what we saw that day or those days better said, and actually is the the subsequent things that have happened to her in her life. So, yeah. So,
00:12:34
Tom Franklin
Short answer, no.
00:12:35
Lee Hatfield
one okay yeah And one thing that I find interesting is, and I've had it with a couple of people in the past, is when they speak to their parents about what they've experienced as a child, it's not necessarily the fact that the family member doesn't believe them.
00:12:57
Lee Hatfield
They just don't want to admit what's going on because they've had an experience that they don't want to talk about. Now, do you think it's the fact that your dad just did not believe you? Or do you think he may have experienced something himself?
00:13:12
Tom Franklin
No, I think my dad is one of those kind of dudes. And to give you a really funny example of that, I remember in the year 2000, I think The Matrix came out in 99.
00:13:22
Tom Franklin
So he's like, have you seen any good movies? I'm like, yeah, man, I've watched The Matrix. You got to check that out. So... maybe a year goes by. said, did you ever watch that movie? He goes, yeah, i watched the movie. it was dumb.
00:13:33
Tom Franklin
I go, what do you mean? He goes, wait a minute. We live in a computer. Get the F out of here. So he's one of those kinds guys where we exist in a computer. Come on, man. but So I don't think so.
00:13:43
Lee Hatfield
yeah okay okay so after these events you moved out mrs books's family moved in what was the next example of something that happened in your life after that
00:13:58
Tom Franklin
Well, many years went by. There was times where the house would be settling or a door when we moved to Pennsylvania was moving in the wind. And I would be freaked out. And my dad's like, see, that's what I told you. It's all in your head.
00:14:11
Tom Franklin
So nothing there. don't really remember anything of consequence until I, so I joined the army in 1998, well, 97. And left for basic training in 98. I stayed Germany from 99, 2001.
00:14:24
Tom Franklin
i stayed in germany from ninety nine two thousand and one did the rest of my time in Kansas, and then ended up moving back after meeting my wife there.
00:14:34
Tom Franklin
So I spent then altogether 20 years in Germany. I'm a fluent German speaker. and Now i'm in Mexico, and I'm working on getting that nailed down as well. And so I'm a big metalhead, big metal fan. I'm a musician, singer. I'm also a painter. You can see some of my paintings up behind me there and comedian, all that stuff. But anyhow, so we we had this practice room, my band,
00:14:56
Tom Franklin
And my lead guitarist, I'm a rhythm vocal, he was leaving to go to BASF in New Jersey. So the headquarters is in a place called Lutzikhafen in Germany. And I lived in a city on the other side of the Rhine River called Mannheim. And this area is called the Industriegebiet, which is the in English the industrial area. And this particular building was built before the Second World War.
00:15:25
Tom Franklin
And it wasn't demolished by, you know, the the the Allied bombing in the time, although there was many fractures around here that did receive the bombing, better said.
00:15:35
Tom Franklin
And I'm trying to be eloquent, but I realize that I'm not. So I'm just going to speak normal, if that's okay.
00:15:40
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, do it. Yeah, go for it. Go for it. It's not a problem.
00:15:45
Tom Franklin
I know that. i'm I'm pulling your chain, man. So this place was called the Power Tower. I don't know what it was. Maybe it's an old office building or I don't know if it's a factory. i had a weird layout. So it was four floors. It's condemned now. I actually talked to my friend who still lives there. like, yeah, they closed that down.
00:16:00
Tom Franklin
So it was very old and pretty dilapidated. But, you know, so the the owner of the place, there was like multiple floors and there were different bands in there and People who did mixing and mastering and things like that.
00:16:12
Tom Franklin
Mostly rock and metal and some hip hop and a couple things. And we were on the third floor. So you get out of the main stairwell, which is in the center of the building. And then there's like a There's like a hallway that goes all the way around the square center hallway. And then there's like these, you know, doors in the corners that go to different parts of the floor.
00:16:32
Tom Franklin
And mine was when you come up the steps, it was the one to the right. So there's a key to get in. Then there's a key to to get to that door. And then you make a right and you go down this long hauled hallway, which has been fire doors for smoke. And they also have light. Oh my God.
00:16:47
Tom Franklin
Light motion sensors? light Light sensors? Motion sensors? Yeah.
00:16:51
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Thank
00:16:51
Tom Franklin
Lichbewegungsmede for you German speakers out there. And sometimes the words come quicker in other languages. And... So you would go through and the lights would click on. You can hear these doors open and and closing as you go to this, you know, to our room, which was in the back. So you get to the end of that hallway, then you make a right turn and immediate right. That was our practice room. But if you don't make the immediate right, it goes straight again. And it was a back stairwell for fire purposes for safety.
00:17:19
Tom Franklin
So it's, you know, whatever they call it, the fire s escape, but it's still encapsulated, encapsulated within the building. And so we're in this room. It was a quite big room. We were sharing it with another band. And we were like, OK, let's get some recording done before his name was Max, my buddy. He's still my friend. Leaves so we can say we have something for this six, seven months that we've been working together creating these songs. We're like, OK.
00:17:44
Tom Franklin
For the weekend, we rent some microphones for the drums. We get something to record it. Boom, let's go. So we stayed 16-hour days for a Saturday and a Sunday. So i think it was a Saturday night. We're sitting there.
00:17:56
Tom Franklin
And I'm sitting on this couch after, like, one of the songs were recorded. I'm sitting on this couch just facing the door out into this hallway. And the door is open. The hallway is dark, of course. And it creates, like, this light from the room. But it's not, like, straight on. It's kind of like an angle, like a rumbus shape.
00:18:13
Tom Franklin
And, you know, whatever. I'm not paying attention. We're talking. We're chewing the gab. And I'm the only one looking over this way. And I hear, which sounds like somebody coming in through those fire doors on the long in the long hallway there.
00:18:27
Tom Franklin
And... I'm like, oh okay, whatever. I'm hearing footsteps. you know I'm not paying attention because there's other bands and, like i said, other people there. And you know a bit of time goes by and I realize you know I didn't hear any other door open to go into any any of the rooms.
00:18:43
Tom Franklin
And so I'm like, what you know that's weird. And then as I do that, just kind of look at the door frame and I swearly, I saw this black shadow figure with a hat on.
00:18:51
Lee Hatfield
Thank you.
00:18:56
Tom Franklin
cross in front of the doorframe within, you know, however long it takes to cross a doorframe, maybe a second, less than a second. But I've seen it just go... It was black as night, blacker than black, blacker than the dark hallway or any of that. And you couldn't see the very top of the hat, but you could see where it stopped. So you can see the brim and you could see it go up. And then there was the doorframe and it just walked past it. You couldn't see like any distinguishing features, but it seemed like it was wearing like a duster, I guess, would you say like a long coat?
00:19:30
Tom Franklin
And so... They see me looking kind of like you know like you know I'm staring in with my mouth open a little bit. And like, what did you see, Tom? And I'm like, I really don't know. So I actually stood up. I wasn't afraid.
00:19:43
Tom Franklin
I stood up and walked over there. And I looked to the right you know because I didn't hear the fire door open. I didn't see anybody standing over there in the corner. Nothing. I looked the left, looked, there's nothing there, dude.
00:19:55
Tom Franklin
And then they were like, what did you see? was like, I seen a shadow calledton frost go across the front of the door. And so before I started the podcast, I was podcasting with somebody else. And they said to me, you know, what's your experiences? I told them this nigga, dude, you saw a hat man. What's that?
00:20:11
Lee Hatfield
I was just about to say the same, yeah.
00:20:11
Tom Franklin
What's a hat man?
00:20:12
Lee Hatfield
Yeah,
00:20:13
Tom Franklin
I didn't know what that was. I looked it up on the internet and it's exactly what I saw, but it didn't have any red glowing eyes, but that's exactly what I saw. It's weird, man.
00:20:24
Lee Hatfield
and this story of the Hat Man is really bizarre because yeah they could be in different corners the world. corners of the world
00:20:35
Tom Franklin
It's ubiquitous, yes.
00:20:36
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, exactly. And yeah and it's it's a pretty much the same kind of description, no matter where you are. And it's really weird.
00:20:45
Tom Franklin
Have you ever heard of one being outside before?
00:20:48
Lee Hatfield
Yes, yes.
00:20:49
Tom Franklin
because for me i had a gentleman on who said yeah i seen one underneath a lamppost outside in a field like in we missouri or some shit
00:20:55
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
Global Sightings of the Hat Man
00:20:58
Tom Franklin
i'm like outside but yeah man it's it's such a weird phenomenon because you always hear like dark shadow figures and stuff but this one is so defined and so distinct i don't know have you heard any any theories on it
00:20:59
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:21:06
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:21:14
Lee Hatfield
I haven't, but I would love to. But one thing that is always prominent in all the stories, the figure may not be exact every time and there may be a slightly different hat, but the posture and everything is exactly the same.
00:21:34
Lee Hatfield
you know It's either moving from one point to another or it's just stood there either watching or whatever. But it's the the basic outline is exactly the same no matter where you are in the world.
00:21:47
Lee Hatfield
And that is strange.
00:21:47
Tom Franklin
Yeah.
00:21:48
Lee Hatfield
that is strange
00:21:49
Tom Franklin
if Some of the hats do vary. It's true. But the one I've seen in the best... i don't know if you had this in England or if any of your listeners will know this from the 90s. There used to be an old cartoon called Spy vs.
00:22:00
Tom Franklin
Spy where they had the long nose and they had these hats. it's not like a
00:22:03
Lee Hatfield
Oh, yeah.
00:22:04
Tom Franklin
It's not like a Derby hat or Darby? Derby? You would you would know. What's it called?
00:22:08
Lee Hatfield
Derby. We say Derby.
00:22:09
Tom Franklin
Darby. So it's not it's not a Darby hat, but it's not a cowboy hat, but it's in between.
00:22:10
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:22:13
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:22:13
Tom Franklin
it looks like like a Dick Tracy hat.
00:22:16
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:22:16
Tom Franklin
Like that's the way I would describe it.
00:22:18
Lee Hatfield
And we we used to have some, I can't remember what kind of drink it was, but it was either a port or a sherry or something like that. And the symbol that they had on the bottle was that of the hat man.
00:22:33
Tom Franklin
Dude, you got to send that to me.
00:22:33
Lee Hatfield
Now, I'll definitely have a look, yeah.
00:22:34
Tom Franklin
I want to see that. I'm going to put you on the spot right now. I got to see that.
00:22:38
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:22:39
Tom Franklin
That's that's crazy.
00:22:39
Lee Hatfield
i I'll just make a note that I've got to look for it.
00:22:42
Tom Franklin
All right. That's stat's interesting because I would like to look into the the company and where that maybe comes from. That's that's interesting to me.
00:22:49
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, because like say, i can't remember if it was like sherry or port or whatever, but it it was the yeah the outline was the hat man.
00:22:58
Tom Franklin
Yeah, man. it's a Like I said, I've spoken to maybe two other people who have seen it. And every time and it's it's... Some people said there's a... You hear it sometimes connected to... What's that called? Sleep paralysis?
00:23:12
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:23:12
Tom Franklin
Like where they'll be like over top of them. And sometimes it'll just show up in places and you're just like, what is that? And some people, as's there's an ominous feeling to it. But with me, I didn't have that. It was just more like a, hi, I want you to see me look.
00:23:26
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. I wonder if there's anything kind of, you know, people see say that they always, yeah, if someone's about to die, they'll see the angel of death or something like that.
00:23:36
Tom Franklin
Mm-hmm.
00:23:37
Lee Hatfield
wonder if it's obviously not not the same kind of thing because people don't always die, but I wonder if it if it is a foreboding of something that's going to happen and it's just there to, don't know, make sure.
00:23:46
Tom Franklin
or has happened.
00:23:50
Lee Hatfield
yeah So, yeah, it's it's really weird and I'd love to know more about this, so i might have to do some more investigative
00:23:56
Tom Franklin
It's one of those, it's it's it's a weird one that you would see, you know, it would be it would be strange if you seen it with like a baseball hat or if you've seen it wearing like a leather jacket, but it's always like like a like a, it's almost like a cowboy feel to it, but it's more like a, like kind of like a kind of like an undertaker, but without a top hat.
00:24:09
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, it's like a cape that he's wearing a cape.
00:24:16
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:24:16
Tom Franklin
Kind of like that. It's it's very strange.
00:24:18
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, yeah, it is. So after your experience in Germany, at what point in in your life did you decide that you wanted to talk about your experiences and to talk about other people and their experiences?
00:24:23
Tom Franklin
Mm-hmm.
00:24:37
Tom Franklin
Well, I never... I never thought about it. Okay. So all my skill sets kind of wound up, you know, the, you know, wound up being, doing what it is that I do as a podcaster. So, you know, being a comic, being on stage, talking to people after a while, you speaking with you over lying, it's no big deal. I'm standing in front of, you know, 80, a hundred, 200 people talking about, you know, you know, poop jokes or whatever I'm doing. And so that lended to it being a front man in a metal band and then, you know, always being able to express
Tom's Journey to Podcasting
00:25:08
Tom Franklin
myself. So that's something I always had. I never thought about podcasting. And then I moved to Mexico and, you know, I ran across this gentleman who kind of helped me, you know, get accustomed to the, you know, to the scene here. It's a lot different. It's a big culture shock, whether you're either coming from Europe or North America, it's such a different world.
00:25:30
Tom Franklin
And we were like, we just, it was a subject that he brought up. Hey man, have you ever had any paranormal experiences? He now has a podcast too. It's called kodegas Codex, Codex of Curiosities, Rivals.
00:25:41
Tom Franklin
And he was like, hey, have you had anything like that? and I'm like, and I told him and he was like, oh wow, dude, we should do a show. And so like the first episode, he kind of talked about some of his experience and I talked about some mine. And then we started interviewing people. Then it just, there was a split.
00:25:59
Tom Franklin
I realized that I had the ability to do so, so I started doing it.
00:26:05
Lee Hatfield
And you said that was back in...
00:26:07
Tom Franklin
Oh, i this this show is, it'll be in February, it' be two years.
00:26:11
Lee Hatfield
Okay.
00:26:12
Tom Franklin
It'll be two years that the Eye of Jupiter has been around. Yeah, but I've had things happen to me here too, man.
00:26:15
Lee Hatfield
Because it...
00:26:17
Tom Franklin
More things have happened to me here than all the, whatever, 40 years before. So we ended up buying, so we we're talking about the show, we're doing like this practice run and we're at his father-in-law's house because he was getting his house built.
Mystical Beings of the Mexican Jungle
00:26:32
Tom Franklin
And so I'm facing the kitchen. We're in the back of the house but outside in the, whatever, the ballot, what do you call that? Terrace area. And he's like, hey, let's put a microphone up. Let's see how would work. Let's see how our banter is with one another. And he's great at it.
00:26:47
Tom Franklin
And together we were fantastic. So he goes, yeah, I've been seeing things here in this house too. There's something here. i'm like, okay, you know you want another beer yeah you want some water hey here's some pretzels whatever and i'm looking in the kitchen and i see like this misty figure just materialized like right by the island and just walk into the wall and he's seeing me look he goes did you see it and i go yeah but yes i did and he goes what it looks like i was like a misty figure he goes i've seen the same thing but here's where it gets really wild man okay so
00:27:09
Lee Hatfield
ha
00:27:20
Tom Franklin
I came to Mexico because I didn't want a certain medical treatment happen to me. And i was somehow brave enough to give up everything in Europe to come here.
00:27:31
Tom Franklin
And I ended up buying four hectares for our American audience. That's about 10 acres in the middle of the jungle. Okay. And we're talking... it's It's a kilometer from the road to my property, and you're going through mud and rocks, and there's jaguars here. There's snakes, scorpions, tarantulas, not even just spiders, tarantulas here.
00:27:55
Tom Franklin
And it's way back there in the middle of nowhere. And I may or not, I can either confirm or deny that I actually do have possibly Mayan ruins on my property. Okay? And I didn't know that when I bought it.
00:28:08
Tom Franklin
So we walked around the perimeter and then through time as after I bought it, I walked through and I found a, like a possibly, I'm not sure if I, you know, because, you know, i'm not the brightest fellow in the world, a circular thing, like a circular path that's level and it is about four meters in diameter, something like that.
00:28:26
Tom Franklin
before Yeah, about four, no?
00:28:26
Lee Hatfield
Huh.
00:28:28
Tom Franklin
Let me see if I lay down. I'm too, yeah, about four meters diameter. And it's weird. So it's a ridgeline. So part of a property is flats. Part of it has a mountain on it. That's about a hundred feet in the air about 30 meters. And is a ridgeline that comes down and then there's this flat spot and then it goes down some more.
00:28:43
Tom Franklin
And if you stand on that, which I haven't done because it's freaky and you can, if the trees are cleared, you can look left for about two kilometers. If you look right for about the same two kilometers. So I'm thinking it's like a lookout post.
00:28:56
Tom Franklin
My opinion. I don't know. i don't know if it's even real, guys. i can either confirm or deny. And so I was all that's interesting. And I started hearing, started talking to hunters because my truck would break down and this one mechanic I had told me he was a hunter and and he started hearing these stories about this uh entity here it's kind of like a homunculus it's kind of like a a cherub like elemental type thing a chair a cherub is like a cupid that's the most commonly known one and they kept talking about this thing and it's called alucus a l u x is plural alucus x e s uh so singular plural
00:29:36
Tom Franklin
And I actually eventually talked to somebody on my podcast about this. And it's a Mayan made elemental that is the protector of the property and their corn.
00:29:49
Tom Franklin
right so like okay so basically there's like a seven day or a couple week ritual for some reason i cannot remember that where it has to do with mud corn blood and it's mixed and they make like a little like statue thing on the property and they give it offerings of food like corn and they do like singing rituals and on the seventh day or how many weeks it is this thing then disappears right.
00:30:15
Tom Franklin
One day disappears. And it's it's a very it's such a common occurrence here that people here will talk about it openly. And it's so weird. So this hunter told me that, yeah, if you're near the wood line, you're near a mountain in the woods, like a little hill, a mountain, it's not really a mountain, it's more of a hill here, you will get rocks thrown at you.
00:30:38
Tom Franklin
Like, what are we talking about? So we're on the property. i'm and I'm there for about two months. I built a little shelter somewhere we can sleep in, put a concrete floor in, actually took logs, put them on the floor, made a roof out of metal, corrugated metal, and just whatever.
00:30:53
Tom Franklin
Cleared it out a little bit because in the fire season, you've got to make sure you clear all the brush. And me and my little daughter is out there. roasting some marshmallows on the open fire. And my ex-wife is you know doing whatever in the house.
00:31:04
Tom Franklin
And we're just sitting here talking down. This is cool. Yeah, we're out here and we're in nature. It's beautiful. Yeah, daddy, you know, and then all of a sudden, dude, like you just hear this rock now flying through the foliage and hitting behind me.
00:31:16
Tom Franklin
And I was like, i'm getting a little tired, baby. Let's go inside. so
00:31:21
Lee Hatfield
This big.
00:31:23
Tom Franklin
We go inside. Nothing happened for about two months. And then one night, so this, it's a house, and then I have like this outdoor area that we enclosed with a mosquito net because the mosquitoes here will literally eat you alive. I know that's like, you know, a colloquial term that people use to like go, oh yeah, they'll eat you alive. No, no, no, no.
00:31:43
Tom Franklin
They will eat you alive here. There's like five different species that I've seen with my own eyes.
00:31:47
Lee Hatfield
this speak
00:31:48
Tom Franklin
you know some of them are big some them are like tiger striped they little black and white stripes a black and yellow stripes on there's an all yellow one that's the ones with malaria and dengue fever which is a very common occurrence here not malaria so much but definitely dengue fever and uh hurts like hell supposedly i haven't had it yet lucky me keep my fingers crossed and so it's all screened in and you know me and my daughter are sleeping in these these big hammocks you can actually see a yellow one over here behind me the
00:32:15
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:32:15
Tom Franklin
Over there. That's where I sleep because of my bad back. And I'm sleeping in one, and hers is crossed over top of mine, and she's sleeping in another. And like about 3 in the morning, Lee, I get up.
00:32:27
Tom Franklin
I go to the bathroom. I go to lay down, Lee. I'm laying in the hammock, right? And I'm laying kind of on my left side, and I swear something whispered in my ear.
00:32:38
Tom Franklin
And you can feel the hairs of your ears moving. I'm at that age where hair is growing out of my ears. can feel them moving. Ha, ha, ha, ha. And it wasn't, okay, so I'm um'm a German speaker.
00:32:51
Tom Franklin
I'm an English speaker. i know at that time I can understand the syntax that is involved in Spanish, and it wasn't either of those. So I'm guessing it's Mayan or something demonic. I haven't the slightest clue. But it sounded like this, dude. It was and it was on my left ear, and I literally threw a punch in the night because I thought someone was standing in the thing with me.
00:33:11
Tom Franklin
And I look, and there was nothing there. Okay? Another time, I'm sorry, this is three stories.
00:33:17
Lee Hatfield
No, no, no.
00:33:17
Tom Franklin
Three stories.
00:33:18
Lee Hatfield
Carry on. Carry on, dude.
00:33:19
Tom Franklin
No, four stories. Excuse me. So we got the rock, we got the whisper in the night. Another time. So, no, it was, was it the same night? It is the same night. So as I i hear this, i throw a punch. I'm laying in the bed, in the bed in the hammock.
00:33:34
Tom Franklin
I look over above my daughter. I don't remember telling you about the corrugated ceiling of metal.
Spiritual Coexistence with Mystical Entities
00:33:38
Tom Franklin
I look over and there's this, it's hard to describe. It's, like a bluish white light.
00:33:44
Tom Franklin
It's like if you had a swimming pool and you see the lights in the pool and it makes that wavy effect.
00:33:47
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:33:49
Tom Franklin
It looked like that, but it was in a circle with not really well-defined edges. And it's kind of moving in a little bit of a circular motion, kind of you know not very planned or organized.
00:34:01
Tom Franklin
And my first instinct is like, okay, someone is here with a flashlight. What is that? So I go to look to see where the source of this light is coming from. i didn't see it. As soon as I looked back, it was gone.
00:34:12
Tom Franklin
like, okay, that was weird. So then another time, maybe two weeks later, i added an addition to the house with a bathroom next to me.
00:34:24
Tom Franklin
So it was bathrooms one place that I moved it to another place. And in the night I wake up to go to bathroom again. and i got my phone light because it's dark out there and on one of the logs i use to make these metal walls and this particular part of his metal walls so no one can look in there and people have their privacy lee i look and there's a snake in there it's maybe don't know two foot long nothing big and it's on one of these logs wrapped around it eating ants that were coming down this log just And I'm like, oh my God, well, it's not, I don't think it's a poisonous snake because, but I can't be too certain.
00:35:02
Tom Franklin
So, and I don't want any snakes sleeping about 10 foot away from me.
00:35:05
Tom Franklin
So I took the backside of a machete, very important. The backside, not the sharp side, the backside. And you have to make sure the snake is facing you, not away from you because it can coil and then jump at you. So I just took it, whacked it in the head and killed it.
00:35:18
Tom Franklin
Offed it, excuse me, I'm gonna have to edit that out.
00:35:21
Lee Hatfield
No.
00:35:22
Tom Franklin
30, 35 something. You gotta to go ahead and make sure you cut that out.
00:35:23
Lee Hatfield
no na No, no, no, no, that
00:35:25
Lee Hatfield
we without have to edit we have explicit
00:35:27
Tom Franklin
you right oh okay i i have to
00:35:27
Lee Hatfield
nice
00:35:30
Tom Franklin
and
00:35:33
Lee Hatfield
What's that?
00:35:33
Tom Franklin
uh so i'm like okay that's done i left a machete stuck in the log the snake was on the ground whatever i lay in the hammock again and i'm just about to go to sleep and i kind of looked over my daughter who's a little farther away from me now maybe 20 feet in a slightly different position at an angle and now i'm I see her. the light was above her. Then I look again back to my right where that snake just was on the wall now. Same phenomenon.
00:36:00
Tom Franklin
Blue light would look like light was shining through water. Right? I, once again, you know, where is it the source coming from? Look back. Disappears.
00:36:10
Tom Franklin
Okay, this is weird. Laying in a hammock. So, behind me is where the The mosquito net ends behind the hammock, maybe like three, four feet behind me. And then outside of that, behind me, I hear about maybe 20 yards, 20 meters, 30 meters, something like that, slightly to my left, that same voice.
00:36:29
Tom Franklin
And i did I could not distinguish and so and what it was saying. now I preface this by saying that I am not a Christian. I'm a man of God, okay? But I do know that the name Jesus Christ holds sway over these phenomenon sometimes.
00:36:46
Tom Franklin
You know, there's people who have to vanquish, you know, Bigfoot from their property or demons from their house, and they'll say, in the name of Jesus Christ. So I said that because I knew it was some type of protection. What that means, I don't know. Maybe one day I will become a Christian, but until then,
00:37:02
Tom Franklin
I know this happens and I don't use it for no reason. I don't want to make anyone feel uncomfortable. but I just said, in the name of Jesus Christ, I do not allow you to bother my family. You can stay here.
00:37:14
Tom Franklin
I know that you're probably part of this land. and You were set here by somebody else. Those people are now deceased and you want to protect the property. It's completely fine. I'm not here to harm the property. I'm here to protect the property. If actually, if anything, improve it.
00:37:27
Tom Franklin
And then I went up to that place that I was telling you about, and I did the same thing the following morning. And ever since then, I haven't had any problems.
00:37:36
Lee Hatfield
That is weird.
00:37:38
Tom Franklin
It's wild, bro. Jungle entities in in the Yucatan of Mexico.
00:37:41
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:37:43
Tom Franklin
I don't think you got a story like that yet, but it's happened to me, man. I promise you.
00:37:46
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. I have had a guy on that spoke about Mexican cryptids. But yeah, he's a cool guy.
00:37:51
Tom Franklin
Oh, okay. Like the Nakwal. Like the Nakwal.
00:37:55
Lee Hatfield
Oh, I tried saying half of them and he just laughed at me. so it's like, I'm not even going to.
00:37:58
Tom Franklin
Well, you got the La Llorona, which is the one that screams.
00:38:01
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, yeah, that one. Yeah.
00:38:02
Tom Franklin
Then you have the Nakwal, which is basically your skinwalker.
00:38:05
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:38:05
Tom Franklin
And then the one famous here, there's a famous witch in this part of Mexico in the Yucatan. It's kind of like the bell witch of the Yucatan. And it is called Ishtabay.
00:38:16
Tom Franklin
And that one is a crazy one where men are like drinking and then they'll go, hey, you want some more beer?
00:38:17
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:38:22
Tom Franklin
Follow me. They go into the woods and then never see them again.
00:38:26
Lee Hatfield
I think I could do that with a few people, actually. i but Yeah,
00:38:30
Tom Franklin
Oh, okay. You get some drunk, you put some drunks down here and put them on my, put them out here front.
00:38:33
Lee Hatfield
yeah, yeah. yeah ill I'll send them your way.
00:38:33
Tom Franklin
Yeah, sure. Well, supposedly this thing has like a chick, like you'll see it's like a beautiful woman, fair skin, long black hair, beautiful.
00:38:36
Lee Hatfield
so
00:38:41
Tom Franklin
Then you look down to her legs and one's a horse leg one's a chicken leg. And then when you freak out, look back up, she's a hag. That happens too. Mm-hmm.
00:38:49
Lee Hatfield
I know people that are like that as well. Anyway, so you've you said that you've done the the Eye of Jupiter podcast for a couple of years. Are there any particular people you've spoken to or stories that you've heard that if anybody asks you this question, you can immediately go to and go, this one was amazing and this is why?
00:39:17
Tom Franklin
There's a few of them, man. don't remember the episode. it is There was a man, his name was, oh, I can't think his name right now either. Oh, you're you're putting me on the spot here, bro. But he lived in Indiana. and James Fetka, that's his name.
00:39:32
Tom Franklin
I'm trying to get him back on, but there's reasons that I can't, but I will hopefully in the future. Let's keep our fingers crossed. He lived in northern Indiana. He, it was like a housing development and then another part of the housing development with like a hill between them with a wooded area.
Terrifying Encounters and Cultural Beliefs
00:39:50
Tom Franklin
And he was talking about this time that he heard something like jump off a branch in the woods and he was with a friend of his and he didn't know what it was. You can see the branch still moving like that kind of thing.
00:40:03
Tom Franklin
And then he was walking a little farther going up this hillside. and he looks up and he sees what he called an eight to 10 foot owl with a 30 foot wingspan jump out of the tree and fly directly towards him and his friend he said when he seen it the face was silver and then behind it it was kind of like fuzzy and he hit the ground this thing swooped back got was trying to actually you know get him and he was like flopping he's like
00:40:36
Tom Franklin
And he said that was another moment that this thing then finally flew away, was trying to actually take him out. 10 feet tall, 30 foot wingspan, right?
00:40:47
Tom Franklin
he This thing was up in a tree and then his friend was there freaking out. And his friend was like, and he was like, what's the problem? It's over there now. We're good to go. And he said, look behind you, look behind you. There was about four other ones that were slightly smaller that looked the same that were behind him about maybe 20, 30 yards away in other trees.
00:41:05
Tom Franklin
So that one was a wild episode.
00:41:05
Lee Hatfield
Holy shit. Jeez.
00:41:09
Tom Franklin
that one is one of the ones where i go uh i've spoken to a is one that's recent is a native american woman from oregon she is the i call it the episode is like the last of her kind at least that's on the thumbnail and that's a recent one maybe a month and a half ago two months ago she is the last of her indian tribe or native american tribe who did like the rite of passage where they go into the forest for a year and she was only able to do it nine months back in the late 70s it was kind of like they finally got the right to do it again which is ridiculous but she was able to do it again and her name is uh a wiser and a wiser is medicine woman and she's the last that do it she was born in double placenta she tells me the whole story
00:41:54
Tom Franklin
So she supposed to go out into the woods and her grandmother, who was the one before her who did it last, says, you are going to be carrying on our tradition. So she came on my show. She's been watching me, digs what I do, came on.
00:42:06
Tom Franklin
Took me like four months. Still no video of her because she can't get her camera working. And she was like, yeah, so I go out there and she tell me there's three different types of Sasquatch people or forest people. There's the ones that are trained with you that are nice. There's the ones that like to mess with you and they'll trick you. And then there's ones that will just basically grab you and eat you. And I'm like, okay.
00:42:29
Tom Franklin
So she was telling me the story. So she's out there one day in a cave. She has an upside down bird weir. Okay, weir for fish is something like a net you put in the stream. But this is like a pine tree upside down. And she's supposed to shoot these birds with a little arrow.
00:42:43
Tom Franklin
And she's very unlucky. So these other ones started leaving her things to eat. One of the trickster ones grabbed the bow one day when she was out doing something, took it over a ridgeline into a creek, put it on a rock the middle of the creek, and the creek then went up into a swampy area.
00:43:03
Tom Franklin
She goes, this dude, just talking about it. it's got It's one of those stories, man. She follows the the the footprints or whatever, the the sign that something traveled that way that she didn't see before, finds the bow, goes over the crescent line, finds the bow in the middle of the creek. She hears something as she's going there up in the ridge line following her. She's thinking maybe it's a groundhog.
00:43:27
Tom Franklin
don't know what it is. She goes to pick up the bow and then something goes, psst, looks out from behind the tree. It's one of these Bigfoot creatures say, can I help you with anything? And that's when you have to say no because it would trick you and she goes no thank you walks along that walks along the creek this thing is following her on the ridge line and then the helper sasquatch got between her and it and she survived but she but the thing that says is there anything i can help you with i swear to god dude
00:44:03
Tom Franklin
it is what I still do. I swear. i'm not even about like faking it up for the show, but it freaked me the hell out, dude.
00:44:08
Lee Hatfield
Man.
00:44:11
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. i love I like when you talk to people and you get those jaw-drop moments. Because even yeah you're telling me this story third-hand and I'm just like, what?
00:44:23
Tom Franklin
She says it even better, dude. When you hear it, the way she says it with her, because if she speaks the native language, so she speaks English.
00:44:25
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:44:30
Tom Franklin
there's all There's a little something in there, you know? It's very good.
00:44:32
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:44:33
Tom Franklin
It's perfect, but it's like a little, you know, the white man come kind of thing, but not like that. I'm not trying to be rude or racist or anything, but it has a little something to it. And when she says it, dude, and all the hairs on my arm stood on end, and I was like, damn, dude, and I'm going to have her back on when she gets her video camera up And but people of native cultures have been reaching out to me to talk about it.
00:44:50
Lee Hatfield
Oh, man.
00:44:54
Tom Franklin
And I'm very grateful for it man. I try to provide a space in which people can come and tell me their stories to make them feel human again, to reconnect with human and say, look, many people may not believe you, but I do.
00:45:07
Tom Franklin
And I will listen to you.
00:45:08
Lee Hatfield
And that's one thing about doing what we do. yeah Apart from the fact that we both enjoy doing it, it doesn't matter who we've got in front of us and who we're talking to.
00:45:21
Lee Hatfield
You can't say yes or no if that person saw what they saw or they had a vivid dream and they dreamt what they saw. yeah You can't call anybody a liar, but what you do have to do is to respect what they are telling you and then ask questions accordingly.
00:45:43
Tom Franklin
Absolutely. Because the thing is, is like, you know, me having a hat man and poltergeist experience and what happened to me on on the ranch out here on this property, that happened to me. You know, I've never seen a, you know, an eight foot tall, you know, simian or whatever you want to call it, or primate or in the forest or or dog man. I have seen jaguar footprints that and and and a python about three meters, but nothing like that.
00:46:07
Tom Franklin
So when they're telling you that and they say, you know, man, i used to hunt and fish my whole life and I haven't been able to go back in the woods in four years because I've seen this thing. You have to listen to them. You have to.
00:46:17
Tom Franklin
And just give them that, you have to birth them the ability to say what they want to say and make them feel as if you're listening, which is what I do.
00:46:17
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:46:22
Lee Hatfield
Exactly.
00:46:24
Tom Franklin
I want them to know that I'm here for them.
00:46:25
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Exactly.
00:46:27
Tom Franklin
And they still reach out to me.
00:46:27
Lee Hatfield
and
00:46:28
Tom Franklin
Many of my people, you know, many of my, you know, interviewees still write me, hey, how's it going?
00:46:29
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:46:34
Tom Franklin
How's the family? And trying to create that community so they feel not so alone.
00:46:39
Lee Hatfield
Hundred percent. And I was at an investigation on Saturday night. And the it's a two-story property. The first floor was completely redeveloped to how it used to look in the 1800s.
00:46:53
Lee Hatfield
Second floor is extremely forlorn, for want of an easier word. However, whenever they raise enough money to to redevelop it, that yeah they're going to do it bit by bit.
00:47:05
Lee Hatfield
And we were up there and we were doing the normal investigative things. And I literally felt like some something small grabbed my hand.
00:47:13
Tom Franklin
Oh Yeah,
00:47:14
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, but only I experienced that. Yeah, i did I did a quick check and I thought, well, it's not cobwebs because my hand was hanging out of my pocket.
00:47:27
Lee Hatfield
If there'd been cobwebs or something, my shoulder would have taken them out.
00:47:31
Tom Franklin
yeah man
00:47:32
Lee Hatfield
So it was something that literally grabbed my hand, but only I experienced it.
00:47:37
Tom Franklin
Yeah, that happened to me, dude.
00:47:37
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, nobody can call me a lie. Yeah.
00:47:39
Tom Franklin
Two weeks ago, two two and a half weeks ago, my girlfriend goes, this is a Friday night, man, in in Mexico, outside. This is real, man. And it didn't freak me out. And I'll tell you why in a minute. So we go up to the corner store.
00:47:52
Tom Franklin
it's It's called a six. That's where they sell beer. And I was like, yeah, like you know give me a six pack beer. I paid for it. And I pulled out my wallet. And then she was giving me the change. I handed to change the wallet and the change to my girlfriend.
00:48:04
Tom Franklin
And she's off to my left, like right next to me. you know Not touching me, but next to me. And to my right, there's a handicapped gentleman about three foot away. And as she's doing and I'm looking in as she's the woman's getting the beer, I felt something that Lee... grab the back of my shirt and tug it twice like a fish would, like if you're biting. and it's just boop, boop.
00:48:21
Tom Franklin
And I looked at her and I looked and she wasn't close to me, but I still had to ask the obligatory question. I go, did you touch me? And she goes, no, i know it wasn't this gentleman. He's too far away.
00:48:32
Tom Franklin
And yeah, and I didn't feel scared because it seemed like it was a child saying, hey, I want you know that I'm here.
00:48:38
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:48:40
Tom Franklin
And it's a weird feeling to not be bothered by it.
00:48:42
Lee Hatfield
oh yeah Oh, yeah. 100%. I am getting conscious about the time because I know that you've got another appointment. So out of all the different types of paranormal things that there is, UFOs, cryptids, ghosts of spirits, do you have a particular favourite?
Evidence and Belief in Sasquatch
00:49:06
Tom Franklin
No, I don't actually. i like If you were to like something like this, scary it is for some people, i can I can tell you the one that's the most interesting to me because it seems to be the most real and that would have to be Sasquatch.
00:49:20
Tom Franklin
Any tertiary, not tertiary, that's the third, any cursory, whatever that word, you know the word, you're a better English speaker than i am, look into the Patterson Gimlin film. And I sat down with MK Davis. If you guys know what MK Davis is, he's like one of the first ones to like still frame it and actually talk to the widow of the widower, excuse me, the widower of Mr. Patterson. Can't think of his first name, Roger Patterson.
00:49:47
Tom Franklin
And there's a dog barking outside. Welcome to Mexico.
00:49:52
Tom Franklin
And so it's going to barking. Sorry about that. And he was able because the one that they originally showed on Leonard Nimoy's channel back in the 70s was a copy of a copy of a copy.
00:49:54
Lee Hatfield
That's OK.
00:50:03
Tom Franklin
So it looks that way. So he was trying to track down the original one the best he could. And she had one in her attic or something like this or the garage or something. And it wasn't the original, but it was very close.
00:50:14
Tom Franklin
And he was able to take, I think it's like frame 350, 250, something like this. And is he showed me, okay, I took this, I got the original with me, I got a picture, and I gave it to somebody who had like an AI cleanup thing so I could see if there anything different.
00:50:29
Tom Franklin
And this is what they showed me. And you can see above its head braided hair that is about six to eight inches long. And you're thinking, okay, what kind of suit would someone take the time to put a braided hair on the front?
00:50:41
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:50:42
Tom Franklin
And do you hear that from other people. I've had other people come on and say, yeah the hair was braided. And you're like, okay. And then the one that really got me, bro, there is a slowed down version of it that when it looks back over its right shoulder, you can see that the front right leg does a slight turn. And when it hits the ground, you can see the entire leg muscle wiggle.
00:51:04
Tom Franklin
And it's like, that is not a suit, bro. That is not a suit.
00:51:08
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, 100%.
00:51:09
Tom Franklin
And then you hear about all the things that he can do with the infrasound thing when people are getting sick, where they can kind of like I had on Barbara Shoup where I was telling you about that before in and the green room there where it looked like Predator, man.
00:51:09
Lee Hatfield
con to be said
00:51:22
Tom Franklin
it came't She was like had a phone. She had a she had a walking stick and she just had the camera just videotaping, showing people. Yeah, here's some structures. Here's this. Here's that. and somebody was looking off in a distance and she just happened to be pointed that way she goes she sees her looking she goes what is it and all of a sudden you see this thing come out of the fall out of the tree and run across the ground away from her and it's like it looks like arnold schwarzenegger's predator movie and she's like yeah these things are gifting me things they talk i had ron moorhead on do the sierra sounds you hear his ba and are really what is this
00:51:59
Tom Franklin
And I think it's real. And I think the government knows about it, but they don't want to get rid of it or admit that it's real because and the logging rights, the protection rights that will come into play.
00:52:11
Tom Franklin
You can't go in the woods anymore.
00:52:12
Lee Hatfield
Oh.
00:52:13
Tom Franklin
All the revenue from the national parks and the logging and the gas and the mining and all that would go away. So for them, it makes sense for them just to deny it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever.
00:52:23
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:52:23
Tom Franklin
It's not there.
00:52:24
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, it's not real.
00:52:24
Tom Franklin
And the UFOs coming out. So we're like, yeah, there's UFOs, but we're not going to say there's Bigfoot. I think, I mean, I haven't had a UFO. Well, i have seen a couple of things with my telescope, a little orange ball floating over a wood line one time, but you know, nothing like where it's like, you know, where it landed in front of me.
00:52:40
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:52:42
Tom Franklin
But that's the one it's, I wouldn't say my favorite. It's just the one that I believe the most, even though I have had other than the paranormal I've had, but things I haven't experienced.
00:52:47
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah.
00:52:52
Tom Franklin
That's the one I believe the most.
00:52:54
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:52:54
Tom Franklin
And don't worry about the time.
00:52:54
Lee Hatfield
And that might.
00:52:55
Tom Franklin
We still got a half hour, buddy.
00:52:57
Lee Hatfield
OK, so we've got a few minutes then anyway.
00:52:59
Tom Franklin
Sure.
00:52:59
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. and And that's it, because I've never experienced, as far as I'm aware, any UFOs or UAPs. But I was at i was at a friend's house a couple of years ago.
00:53:12
Lee Hatfield
And he lives out in the sticks. So, yeah, no street lights or that kind of stuff. And we we were lucky enough to see the Starlink train.
00:53:20
Tom Franklin
Yeah, I've seen that.
00:53:21
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. And if you did not know about SpaceX and Starlink, you would think it would be like UFOs or something like that.
00:53:27
Tom Franklin
Same thing happened to me. but
00:53:31
Lee Hatfield
But it was so cool.
00:53:32
Tom Franklin
which
00:53:33
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:53:33
Tom Franklin
I seen him do that over the one bridge line on my property. I seen him go. I'm thinking, I'm thinking it's like satellites. Then I'm thinking it's like shooting stars, but it would have that fizzy thing at the end.
00:53:43
Tom Franklin
So I'm like, Oh, it's a satellite.
00:53:43
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:53:43
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:53:45
Tom Franklin
Oh, it's another satellite. Oh, that must be Starlink. So I did that. And then another night I was facing the other, the Southern sky. Oh, South. southwest guy and uh seen this line of white lights like and i was like what is that and then it just kind of drifted away so you have to be like when you're doing these things and you're experiencing these things you'd still have to remain grounded have faith in yourself remember that the living could do more harm to you than the deceased or whatever this phenomenon is and just you know just
00:54:10
Lee Hatfield
yeah
00:54:19
Tom Franklin
Calm down. It can be very scary, especially if you're young. Listen to your children. They know stuff. They're more open for some reason to these things. And just take it in, man. Take it in. And if you can add to it somehow, you know, have an idea, hypothesis, a way to measuring it, a way to reproduce it in some type of, you know, scientific, you know, way that we can quantify it, that would be great. We're looking for people to, you know, bring some light to this.
00:54:45
Lee Hatfield
That's it. And what what I'm quite pleased about nowadays is the world we are now living in, even though some of it sucks, we're actually getting into a place where people openly talk about their experiences.
00:55:01
Tom Franklin
Yeah.
00:55:01
Lee Hatfield
And as soon as they find out, yeah people like you and I do what we do, they're more than happy to tell their complete story without any chance of being ridiculed.
00:55:12
Lee Hatfield
and yeah And they will even suggest other people that they can bring on and tell their story. And that's one thing that's really good right now, which I i really do like.
00:55:22
Tom Franklin
Yeah, I think everyone has a story somewhere, man. You know, a lot of it gets, you know, I've seen something, but, you know, could be this, it could have been that.
00:55:29
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:55:29
Tom Franklin
And that's fine. I think, the you know, healthy criticism is, is or you know, skepticism, better said. and And criticism, as long as it's coming from the right place. Intention is
Paranormal Discussion Evolution
00:55:38
Tom Franklin
everything. I don't think the world sucks too either, brother. I'm going to go ahead and checkmate you on that one, man. I think the lies have been been perpetrated forever since at least the Renaissance.
00:55:49
Tom Franklin
Let's go ahead and say that. They have had ultimate control and ultimate track or control of the information we see. And now Pandora's box has been opened by DARPA in the early 90s when we have this thing called the internet.
00:56:03
Tom Franklin
i think they do not control the narrative anymore and we see behind the veil and they have lost all credibility and real true love and consciousness and opening of the hearts are now happening there's a split of worlds there's people like yourself and many others who are like yeah man we need to get in touch with nature and then there's the people who are like i'm on the phone 24 hours a day
00:56:12
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:56:28
Tom Franklin
I hope they don't do that. Grab your children's hands. Go meet go see your you know your mom on the for Sunday dinner and just live life, man. it's It's an interesting and exciting time to be alive, my opinion.
00:56:38
Lee Hatfield
That's it. Yeah. And I love that. i don' absolutely love that. One thing that I did find extremely amusing, i know that the US did a thing about UFOs a few months ago.
00:56:48
Tom Franklin
Mm-hmm.
00:56:49
Lee Hatfield
And during the the questioning, this one guy got asked a question. And then he goes, yeah, I can't answer that question. It's like, dude, you've answered it by not answering it.
00:57:03
Lee Hatfield
And that's sort of like, don't come out and say, i can't answer that question because you're literally answering the question without answering it. And I love that.
00:57:12
Tom Franklin
o yes
00:57:12
Lee Hatfield
That's absolutely funny.
00:57:14
Tom Franklin
there's There's a lot of people we need. Lieutenant, was it the Lieutenant Fravor? The one who's seen the Tic Tac UFO and then you have, what is it, George Knapp? And all those things. It's a very interesting subject. And it's so weird. What's weird to me, man, it's like I'm a child of the late 80s, early 90s. You know, that's my teenage years. And if they would say, oh, yeah, yeah, UFOs, you know, they're real.
00:57:35
Tom Franklin
We've recorded them. they're they're They're coming probably out of the oceans or whatever. we't We know. There would be chaos in the street. But the world has become so... You know, what the subtlety is gone.
00:57:47
Tom Franklin
You know, the subtlety is gone. You know, we have like OnlyFans stuff. It's weird. You know, it's so strange to show yourself in that light for Nichols.
00:57:54
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:57:56
Tom Franklin
You know what I mean?
00:57:56
Tom Franklin
what What happened to, you know, chivalry and, you know, being being a woman and all these things are now gone that when you hear something like, oh, UFOs, you're like, hey, yeah, yeah, yeah, let me go get a hamburger.
00:57:56
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:58:00
Lee Hatfield
Exactly.
00:58:07
Tom Franklin
That's what's weird. That's weirder than UFOs.
00:58:08
Lee Hatfield
Yeah.
00:58:11
Lee Hatfield
Yeah, that's it.
Promotion of Eye of Jupiter Podcast
00:58:13
Lee Hatfield
So, Tom, I am going to let you go for your other appointment, but Tell me where can we find you and your two minutes of fame.
00:58:24
Tom Franklin
My two minutes of fame.
00:58:24
Lee Hatfield
Go.
00:58:25
Tom Franklin
That's a lot more than I've had before. So I don't know what to do.
00:58:27
Lee Hatfield
but
00:58:27
Tom Franklin
This is such an honor. Yeah. The I of Jupiter podcast, you can catch me on YouTube. You know, you can go and subscribe and like it and share it, check it out, play the videos, you know, leave some comments, let me know what's up. You can become a member and get some stuff early. You know, you can get a two, three weeks earlier, especially if i have a really interesting one. So it's like five bucks a month. Go check it out. yeah,
00:58:49
Tom Franklin
Do me a big favor if you can. and you know You can find my MP3s everywhere, but if you could go to Spotify and go and download the episodes, of course, follow me over there and also leave me a rating. That would help me immensely. That way I can make this my full-time job because i really, really enjoy it.
00:59:04
Tom Franklin
And it's just that I can't give... the best quality that i possibly can because of the time crunch that I set myself, you know, two years ago. And I want to make sure I follow and continue on with what I said and be determined. So if you could do that, that would be the biggest help you can give me. I don't expect any, you know, any kind of financial compensation, but if you could just go and say, Hey, I'm following you and Hey, i like your show. And Hey, here's a rating. You can do that. Every Tuesday in the afternoon, I drop a prerecorded episode and every Friday 5
00:59:37
Tom Franklin
6 45 eastern standard time i have a live show on the channel on youtube uh and you can come over and hang out with us talk ask questions of the guests become a part of the family uh the more the merrier we enjoy it uh there's no rude people over there we have a great time and uh yeah were we're looking forward to you if you have any any stories you want to share with me if you want to talk to me you can go ahead and contact me at the ijupiterpodcast at gmail.com and i'll get back with you and i'll have you on the show
01:00:08
Lee Hatfield
Perfect. And i I did say two minutes and that was more than two. So we'll just edit some of that.
01:00:12
Tom Franklin
was it well cut out all the parts where i set up
01:00:16
Lee Hatfield
Yeah. Okay, Tom, it's been an absolute pleasure. I've enjoyed talking to you. I think we could have talked for another two hours at least.
01:00:26
Tom Franklin
Possibly, possibly. to end in the pleasure the pleasure is all mine.
01:00:27
Lee Hatfield
Awesome.
01:00:29
Tom Franklin
You were on my show. You were such a gentleman. And that the the viewers really enjoyed having you on. And there was a lot of good banter over on the the side there on the chat. And yeah, man, I really appreciate the opportunity that you that you presented to me today.
01:00:42
Lee Hatfield
Awesome.
01:00:44
Lee Hatfield
You're most welcome. And no doubt we'll talk again in the future. But for now, have a great rest of the evening. Don't go outside into the hammock because you might get something thrown at you.
01:00:56
Lee Hatfield
And we'll talk again soon, my friend. Take care.
01:00:58
Tom Franklin
Thank you, man.
01:00:58
Lee Hatfield
Bye-bye.
01:00:59
Tom Franklin
Take care. Bye.