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00:00:13
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What's up,
Xbox, FTC, and Activision Blizzard
00:00:14
Speaker
everybody? Welcome to the Logon Games podcast for Friday, June the 3-0-ith. The whole year's gone. The whole year's freaking gone. This month has flown by.
00:00:29
Speaker
beefy episode kind of um there's obvious and even since the last couple podcasts there's been where's the beef xbox stuff happening with the ftc with other government official things about them still trying to buy microsoft i mean uh activation blizzard and
00:00:50
Speaker
I just, we tend not to talk about it, or I haven't put it on the outline, not to care, because it really doesn't matter. However, there's been some just very interesting things that I want to go over. And we'll go over that. Also, Annapurna, you may know them from their Game of the Year candidate, Stray. They had their stream today. So we'll go over some of those announcements as well.
Guest Introduction: Andrew aka Brown Berserker
00:01:16
Speaker
With me today, you can find them at
00:01:19
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Brown, Berserker, everywhere. We have Andrew with us on the phone. Everywhere. Yo.
00:01:29
Speaker
What have you been playing, Andrew?
Gaming Adventures: Hogwarts Legacy and Diablo
00:01:31
Speaker
Bro, I am excited because I am two missions away from completing Hogwarts Legacy. Fine. Whoa! I'm not. I beat Tears of the Kingdom last Friday. And I was like, I'm going to stick to my guns. I'm not going to touch Diablo until Hogwarts is done. And I've just been grinding Hogwarts now. So we're almost there. I'm going to start Diablo next week. Go play with us. I'm excited. Yeah, we need to get on it with you.
00:01:59
Speaker
I'm excited. Um, do you know which character you will play as in Diablo? So I want to, I want to continue a rogue cause that's what I did in, um, no, Diablo three, did they have a rogue or what was it called? Um, it was that a monk too. Okay. So I did rogue then. And I was like, I'm doing rogue no matter what, but then I'm like seeing like the necromancer and I'm like, dang, that looks cool. So like necromancer. Okay. So maybe I should just stick with rogue, but I'm a rogue. Okay.
00:02:29
Speaker
No, I will say this though. I assume Necromancer is the same. For the Rogue, there are two very different ways to play and then you can also play anywhere in between. I would say there's more than two. Yeah, but I mean two opposites. Yeah, I've watched videos on all of them already. Right, so you can play...
00:02:51
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kind of the, see if he get in there quick backstab, get out that kind of playing. If you want to go that route with the rogue and very like close hand to hand combat, but like big hits and then get out kind of thing. Or my guy who is named Hanzo, or I'm just like all arrows all the time. Oh yeah.
00:03:10
Speaker
The shadow realm thing looks cool with the rug. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I use the shadow Like you can imbue your weapons with a couple like poison poison. I'm a poison dude poison shadow order I think it's maybe ice is the other one poison. I don't know but I do shadow and it's interesting because
00:03:31
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The build to Diablo are super fun. I've got my guys to the point where when I face a really big, like solo guy, it's difficult for me to take him down. But if you throw 50 enemies on the screen, I'm like licking my chops. Like I can make him disappear in two seconds. I love it. And so it's just cool how you can build differently.
Diablo Strategies and Builds
00:03:48
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Yeah. And so I do have the shadow stuff where like, if I kill somebody with shadow, they blow up.
00:03:54
Speaker
and hurt everybody around them, which then if it kills them, if it kills them, then they blow up. And so it just like wipes the screen sometimes as well. I'm excited. If you want to play, if you want to play necromancer, then it doesn't matter if there's, if it's a boss or a bunch of enemies, you just kill them all anyway. Cause that's how good you are. Double armies. There's two of us. Would necromancer, is it the same? Are there multiple ways to kind of go necromancer?
00:04:18
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Oh my god, there's yeah, you can go a bajillion different ways. Yeah. So your like main deal is exploding. Guys, my main literally my build is the skeletons. Right. Yeah. Them themselves don't explode. No. Oh, like everything I do, it's about them.
00:04:40
Speaker
So my gameplay is very easy. I pretty much just sit in the back and hold down right trigger the whole time. See, I want to do the the necromancer that has the like vampire ability. That's what I want to do. Yeah, the blood stuff. That would be way different than Andrew. That's what I want to do. It'd be fun. I'm in a similar boat to you, Andrew, where I beat God of War nicely.
00:05:04
Speaker
And I'm just trying to stick to my guns as best as possible. Like, I'm still going to beat Resident Evil 4 Remake and Hogwarts before I get Final Fantasy 16. It's hard. You know what? I've decided that's going to be my sale game. I've just, I've officially decided I'm going to just put it on the back burner. Also with us today, you can find a Med-X easter right next to it. Matthew with us on the podcast. What is it?
00:05:34
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Matthew, what have you been playing? Mostly Diablo. Mostly, matter of fact, on Monday. So because I work at a church, Monday is like my weekend, right? It's my day off where I don't do anything on Mondays. And I think I played like six straight hours or something on Mondays. Does it feel blasphemous being a religious guy and playing Diablo? No.
00:05:59
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You're killing Satan, you know, that's true. That's true. I play God of war. Yeah. We're killing the bad guys. We're good. Um, no, but, um, tons of, I, I like this
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00:06:14
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one a lot better than the last one. I enjoyed three from a, um,
00:06:20
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like the co-op story mode perspective, not necessarily that the story was that great. Like I don't really care too much about what the story actually is, but like the playing through it that way, that was fun, enjoyable. I didn't care at all for the in-game stuff or the after-story stuff in Diablo three. Four is fun. I'm really liking it. It's been really good. Sweet. It's got a, it's got a little bit of, I was talking to Ivy, some of you guys know he's on podcast a couple of times.
00:06:46
Speaker
He was like, he never has gotten into yellow. So he's like, what's the appeal? Like he's trying to figure it out. And I was like, well, it honestly feels a little bit at times. Kind of like the old fantasy star online stuff. Like to me, whereas like the whole point is the whole point of the game after end game is.
00:07:03
Speaker
You're grinding for that next level up, for that next rare item, for that, like, I love that stuff. That's fun. I like the fact that, um, that's one, I've talked about it with like destiny. One thing I don't like about destiny is that once you get to a certain point, all the people at that point all have the same weapons. Like I have, like have access to the same, you know, handful of whatever top tier stuff. I love that it's rare enough to where like, I have this thing, which you might have something similar, but we don't have the same thing.
00:07:29
Speaker
Yeah, I heard there's like five or six items in like Diablo 4 that are like ultra rare and people are like, I can't get it. I can't get it. And then some people are like, isn't that cool that only like five people in the world have this thing? Like I saw a tweet that was like somebody in Japan likes this weapon dropped for somebody in Japan finally or whatever.
00:07:49
Speaker
I think that's cool as crap. I think that's what ruined Destiny, honestly. In Destiny 1, the weapons were so rare, like the exotic drops. But in Destiny 2, they just throw it out like candy and everyone has the same thing. It's not special anymore. The rareness in Destiny is like...
00:08:06
Speaker
the you have it almost should be a different rarity like above exotic for the ones that are like crazy hard to get like yeah the ones that you have to like go into the raid and do crazy puzzles or yeah do you call them extremely difficult and grindy to finally get this should be like it's almost yeah different rarity you should call them sacred exotic let's not do that that's what diablo does it just has sacred and
00:08:33
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Yeah, there you go. And so I've been playing a lot of that. And then I still kind of like my. I don't want to grind a game kind of thing. I just want to play something for fun. I'm still playing MLB. It's really like the shows. It's been interesting because we're like nine updates, I think. And I think the last one was like the night patch of MLB since it came out.
00:08:54
Speaker
And every patch is fixing bugs and there's been no patch to fix gameplay yet, which means the gameplay is pretty good. Like, or at least in a good spot. Like there's nothing in gameplay wise that you're like, Oh man, I really got to fix this. It's, it's kind of impressive. Um, I like it a lot. Nice. Um,
00:09:15
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Also, I still haven't been on the Marvel snap train a lot in the last four or five days. I was just asking Matthew about that. Have you done conquest, Andrew? I've been conquest and like a fiend. How much do you think I can move up in rank during this episode? The furthest I've gotten in conquest was I got to the last match in the gold tier. Oh, dang. I've been to infinity three times now.
00:09:45
Speaker
I bought an infinity ticket and then lost in the first round. I've only got like two, like one or two matches into infinity. I did get that green goblin card unlocked already. Nice. Explain to me conquest. How does it work? I've not played it yet. Have you bad battled a friend in there yet? No. Okay. Well, just like I also don't have any desire to do that.
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FTC vs Xbox: Industry Implications
00:12:39
Speaker
Like I said, I knew at some point we would talk about FTC Xbox stuff. Obviously, they've been going to every country ever trying to be like, listen, just let us buy Blizzard. It's fine. And then some people are like, OK. And then some people are like, no. And it's usually absolutely not. In the case of the FTC, it's a lot of
00:13:01
Speaker
Really old people that don't understand the internet, like we've seen before with like Zuckerberg or whoever go into Congress to be so that he can, they can explain how the internet works. Um, pretty similar stuff here, but because everybody's involved in this, like Sony as well.
00:13:21
Speaker
Um, there's been some really, really interesting tidbits that have come out and what I'll probably, there's, there's a whole group of gamers and people that cover video games that have always been like, there's no more con there's console wars don't exist anymore. You know, they're not compete with each other. They're all, everybody's just doing their own thing. There's a lot of emails that say otherwise I'll say that. Yeah. Um, so.
00:13:45
Speaker
I have all the links if you, if you guys want to look at them, but I'm not going to order. I'm going to be jumping around. I'll try and go in some, I honestly have not been keeping up with any of this. Like I go into the, I go into gaming sites like daily and like the stuff regarding this, like I kind of just like overlooked and went to the next. Well, I've, I've been very similar to that because none of it really matters. Yeah. The only thing that matters is if, are they going to buy them or not? That's really all that this is all for. And we all that we care about.
00:14:16
Speaker
Otherwise, what has this all been about? Exactly. Otherwise, why are we here? But there is some interesting stuff that has happened in the past that we now know why. So first one I'm going to read is from the Verge.
00:14:35
Speaker
Um, it's a bunch of emails. So I'm just gonna read the email. This is from Matt booty of Xbox. What a name. Um, this was, let me go. It sounded like a fake name. Yeah. This was talking basically literally an email, I believe to Phil Spencer. No, to Tim Stewart, talking about basically their competition with Sony.
00:15:04
Speaker
Um, he says in the email, a different view to the general view below might be that we Microsoft are in a very unique position to be able to go and spend Sony out of business. If we think that video game content matters in 10 years, this is an email from 2019, by the way.
00:15:22
Speaker
If we think video game content matters in 10 years, we might look back and say, totally would have been worth it to lose 2 billion or 3 billion in 2020 to avoid a situation where 10 cent Google, Amazon, and even Sony have become the Disney of games and almost of the valuable content. For example, it is practically impossible for anyone to start a new video game streaming service at scale at this point.
00:15:45
Speaker
What content do you base it on? Things like Hulu and CBS All Access will be trivial players in the space. I find that weird that CBS All Access is in there, but I didn't know that anybody even had that app. Seriously. We guess that's parent-bound, right? Yeah.
00:16:01
Speaker
Paramount Plus, maybe that's Paramount Plus now, maybe. Yeah. But still, it's not as big as the others. Yeah. What content... Oh, I'm sorry. That was it. In games, Google is three to four years away from being able to have a studio up and running. Amazon has shown no ability to execute on game content.
00:16:21
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Content is one of the moat that we have in terms of a catalog that runs on current devices and capability to create new. Sony is really the only other player who can compete with Game Pass and we have a two year and 10 million subs lead. If we reverse course on day and date, it's going to be hard to convince folks that things like Mixer or xCloud have much of a chance of surviving scrutiny either. Wow.
00:16:48
Speaker
which mixer is already dead, but the takeaway from this email is to him basically saying like, yeah, we can, like, because we're Microsoft, we can lose two or $3 billion and try and spend Sony out of business. And this was in 2019 before the new consoles came out in 2020. But the oversight is that what he bases that on is we're one of the few things that can do this, not just because we have the money, but also because we have the catalog and the content.
00:17:17
Speaker
Right. And the problem is, right. But the problem is that content has not been good.
00:17:25
Speaker
Like that's the issue. Like, yes, I like you have a backlog of incredible content, right? But you still need a halo to hit. You still need a fable to hit. Like you need those things for it to continue to be what he's talking about. People aren't just going to do it because you have a subs lead. I mean, Netflix is losing subs now. It's not because, you know, it's not because.
00:17:48
Speaker
Their I don't know their competition or whatever. It's just because they made bad decisions Yeah, I think I think the spending Sony in business part is part of that where it's like Let's just buy everyone that makes video games So we just have all the video games then it doesn't necessarily matter if Halo hits or not because we are everything Let me ask you a question out of curiosity. What do you think? What if
00:18:16
Speaker
Activision Blizzard sale goes through tomorrow. And the next Call of Duty is exclusive to Xbox from then on. Well, I don't I don't have this in I don't have this in the outline, but it did come out that as of now, the deal that PlayStation has with Call of Duty only runs like to this year, Call of Duty 2023.
00:18:41
Speaker
I thought it was 24, but either way, soon. Yeah. What they said was there's no deal on the table yet for PlayStation and Call of Duty for 2024. And then there's also something I don't have on here is Jim Ryan basically saying that if the deal goes through, they're going to be withholding PlayStation six information from Activision, even if like college is coming from.
00:19:06
Speaker
So it sounds to me, and there's other emails we'll get to, but it sounds to me like PlayStations. It's like, if y'all get it, then screw you guys. We don't want college. Right. And I actually...
00:19:18
Speaker
I kind of agree with that. But my thing is if that goes through, and so say literally in six months, Xbox has Call of Duty, PlayStation no longer does. And whatever else comes with Activision Blizzard sale, right? That's obviously a boost to Xbox in terms of games on their game pass and sales and those kinds of things. Is it enough a boost that you think it takes to lead over Sony? Because I sure as heck don't.
00:19:43
Speaker
I mean, not, it won't take the lead at first for sure. Right. I mean, sometimes Call of Duty is the number one selling game. It is. It's massive, but it would also, that would take a big hit too. It'd be interesting. So it would also be coming to PC and Nintendo based on the deals that they've already made. Yes. That doesn't mean anybody would want to play it on the Nintendo, but yeah, absolutely. Uh, Andrew, any thoughts on this?
00:20:11
Speaker
No, so like I said, most of this I've brushed over. The one article that caught my eye, and I guess it has to do with this too, was the talks that Microsoft was talking about considering buying Square Enix. That kind of was just like, whoa. Yeah. No, it's crazy that like, you know, I mean, we've been talking about this I think since last year about like how
00:20:37
Speaker
how the gaming industry has shifted and now you have the major players now just sucking up all these different studios exclusively into their bubble. And like you said, people are talking about if there's a console war at all anymore and all of this stuff coming out and all the stuff we've seen in the past year, like it says otherwise. So it's pretty crazy, honestly. Pretty crazy.
00:21:00
Speaker
There everything that y'all are saying, like all the tabs that I have open. Touches on everything. So I don't even know what even order to go in here, but we'll go on to this next one. Well, I wanted to say something else about the email just because of, you said it's 2019. Like some of this stuff has already come to fruition. They came out and said during the FTC thing, like, yeah, we, we, uh.
00:21:21
Speaker
We never followed through on that vision basically, because obviously that's an email for like, yeah, you shouldn't buy Activision. But they're like, yeah, we never followed through on that vision. That was never something we were, you know, that was just one person's email, which happens to be the person that's running Halo. Right. Well, there were a couple of things I wanted to mention. One.
00:21:39
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He says, uh, totally been worth it to lose two, two or three billion in 2020 to avoid the situation where other people become the Disney of games or whatever. Uh, I mean, they bought Bethesda for 7.5 billion and this Activision thing is almost 70 billion. So it's like that lose two or three billion numbers. Like that's way different now.
00:22:00
Speaker
And then almost it's practically impossible for anyone to start a new video streaming service at scale at this point. Like, what does that mean? Are you talking like xCloud streaming service or are you talking more like Game Pass kind of what it is? A little bit of both. Yeah. And then the last one I wanted to mention was the...
00:22:19
Speaker
Oh, where'd it go? Oh, talk about Google's three to four years away. Uh, Amazon has shown no ability to execute on game content. Like I would say that's probably not true anymore. Right. I think it's true. It's pretty true. Well, it was, it was a new world. Was that not them or whatever that game was? No, they, was that, was that not Amazon? Yeah.
00:22:39
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Like, I feel like at least that when you can say that's, that was fairly significant. Yeah, it had the Amazon games title on it, but I don't know who produced it or anything. Well, everybody's so interested in what we're talking about. They just had to bust in here, you know. We're talking about Xbox versus the FTC. What do you know about that? She said FTC. Yeah, you know me. She said football club. Yeah, that's it. Xbox is starting on their own football club.
00:23:09
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00:23:38
Speaker
Alright, let's move on to the PlayStation email. More emails. This was I believe in regards to let me just double check. I want to go crazy here. This was in regards to Microsoft acquiring Activision Blizzard. Okay. Okay. And this was
Sony's Confidence in Market Position
00:24:05
Speaker
This was between Sony CEO, Jim Ryan and Deering, Ryan Deering. Okay. Anyways, this was part of the email. The major cash out will lure most of the talent to take the money and run as fast as their contracts will allow, leaving Microsoft with very gnarly management challenge.
00:24:29
Speaker
I bet Yavis is smiling, Yves is smiling like the Cheshire cat. If this was a play to end the run of PS5, et cetera, I think it's massively overvalued and will not meaningfully succeed. I guess Microsoft can piss away that kind of valuation without being more harmed than help, but I'm not losing a wink of sleep over the future of our baby. Hope you agree. Cheers, Chris. PS, they would have been better off announcing a new electric car.
00:24:59
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Shot fired! Ew. This was January 2022, I believe? Yeah. Did this email happen? Yeah.
00:25:18
Speaker
He goes on to say, it's not an Xbox exclusivity play at all. They're thinking bigger than that. They have the cash to make moves like this. I've spent a fair bit of time with both Phil and Bobby over the past day. I'm pretty sure we will continue to see Call of Duty on PlayStation for many years to come. We have some good stuff cooking. Keep your eyes peeled. I'm not complacent and I'd rather this hadn't happened, but we'll be okay more than okay. Andrew.
00:25:47
Speaker
Do I yeah, I I guess the only thing that I could question is like I Feel like certain things have to be watched and like said because like I would I would assume that like certain company wants to Have a good face in all of this, right? Sure. So so when when when somebody comes out representing a company and saying stuff like this, it's like
00:26:14
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Are they backing this or are they pulling him to sign and be like, yo, calm down. We don't want that type of attention. You know, I don't think so. So me and Emily, uh, we are big succession fans on HBO and that's like all this stuff is, it's literally like, we're not as the people that just buy Diablo four and play it till five o'clock in the morning.
00:26:37
Speaker
are not the kind of people that usually get to see billionaires like emails to each other about their competition stuff. So it's very exciting and fun to read. No, it's interesting. It really is, for sure. I don't think they had any idea that this was going to show up in court or like on Twitter. Probably so. Well, I would say the first email that was sent in this one, in the Sony thing, was exactly the issue we've been talking about is like,
00:27:07
Speaker
Basically it's like if they want to buy up all the talent, it's fine. They still got to figure out how to manage them and they kind of suck at that right now. And that's, that's, that is true. Now that doesn't mean that they'll suck at that in two years, but like they haven't at least given us good faith that they will, uh, they know what they're doing with all of it. And that's the interesting part of like, is this actually going to go through or not? Cause like the last email was like.
00:27:29
Speaker
Xbox saying like, yeah, let's buy everybody, which is why it wouldn't go through. And then you get an email from Sony, who's like the main people that are trying to stop this being like, no, we're fine. Let him have it. So, um, I will, I will say this. I think that if this does go through anytime soon, then at that point, it just becomes a grab of, grab the studios you can grab. Yeah. I wouldn't be shocked if like the day this goes through, Sony's like, oh yeah, we bought Square Enix.
00:27:58
Speaker
Yep. Makes a lot of sense to me. But there's more. This comes from the verge.com. Microsoft Xbox chief chief has revealed one of the key reasons behind the acquisition of Bethesda's parent company ZeniMax
Impact of Bethesda Acquisition on Xbox
00:28:17
Speaker
was potential Starfield PlayStation exclusivity. Speaking with FTC versus Microsoft hearing today, Phil Spencer revealed that Sony regularly pays competitors to skip our platform and Microsoft felt it needed to own Bethesda to compete. When we acquired Zenimax, one of the impetus for that is that Sony had done a deal for Deathloop and Ghostwire to pay Bethesda to not ship those games on Xbox.
00:28:42
Speaker
So the discussion about Starfield, when we heard that Starfield was potentially going to end up skipping Xbox, we can't be in a position as a third place console where we fall further behind on our content and ownership. So we've had to secure content to remain viable in the business.
00:29:02
Speaker
True. That's perfect sense. I love the way he, I love the way he phrased that made like he's trying to make Sony sound like the bad guy. Like video game companies have it in the history of forever tried to buy exclusive rights to games. But yeah, I mean, make sense to me. I got no problem with any, any part of that. And I had no problem with him saying then, okay, fine. We'll buy Bethesda. Okay, sure. And you know, like Phil and a bunch of that, like everybody, like as
00:29:30
Speaker
Like probably before the acquisition of Bethesda, like they all go to Bethesda to see what they're working on or whatever. So they see Starfield, they see Todd Howard being like, yeah, this is going to be like the biggest like Skyrim in space, but bigger. Like it's going to be like a game that's going to be, you know, three console generations now that's going to be remastered so people can keep playing it kind of thing. And to be like, well.
00:29:54
Speaker
It might be a PlayStation exclusive and then coming back to Xbox and being like, we got to start buying people or not have any beer, man. Yeah. But here's the problem, especially like with like Red Falls backlash, right? Yeah, they they literally can't screw up.
00:30:13
Speaker
Starfield, they can. So they need, that thing needs to be gold out the gate or else like, I think this might be a big slap in the face for them. So how confident are you that they're not going to screw it up? I'm somewhat, I'm somewhat confident. I'm like, I've watched all the interviews with Todd Howard being like, this is the best run game that we've ever had. This, if we shipped it today, it would have the less bugs than we've ever had. In 30 frames.
00:30:43
Speaker
I mean, that's not something that I care about, but I don't know. But here's the thing, this is similar with Cyberpunk for me. Like even if the game is a 10 out of 10 game at launch, it's still, I don't think something that I care to play just personally for me. Like some of these games that are open world and they're just so giant. Like I won't not play some of those kinds of games,
00:31:11
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But it's just like, I would just rather it be toned down a little bit. You know what I mean? I don't want to spend 300 hours in the game. It's funny you say that. I just had this discussion the other day with my buddy. I got done with Tears of the Kingdom and I've probably done 30% of that game and I've beaten it. Hogwarts, same thing, going through the entire campaign and there's probably still 50% of content to go through. And I'm about to jump into Diablo.
00:31:35
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It's like I can't I'm with you, honestly, I kind of want something pulled back just a little bit, you know, like I just finished God of War. I didn't do like hardly any of the side. Yeah, I was like, just give me I still played the game for like 45 hours. Yeah. And that was just going through the story and like trying to get the chest that I see. And so. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I like that part of it, the size and scale. I like the fact that I know when I spend 70 bucks on something, there is a
00:32:04
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feel it feels like an endless amount of content that i'm thinking about 75 bucks or 70 bucks whatever i just don't utilize it all if that's the problem i'm sure but that's fine that's an option yeah like hogwarts is like that for me like i knew when i bought hogwarts like i'm gonna live in this world for a long time yeah and so when another game like starfield or cyberpunk or whatever happens it's just like
00:32:27
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I already have Hogwarts right now. And the Legend of Zelda is another example to me breaking my rule with Breath of the Wild. Which was like, but at that time I didn't really know what I was getting into. No one really knew what Breath of the Wild was gonna be. No one knew it was just gonna be like, you're here, go. All right, this is something we've talked about quite a bit, which is interesting. This is from gamespot.com.
00:32:56
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Also, we all know this is from the F. Okay. During the FTC Microsoft trial, the head of Microsoft revealed that he would love to get rid of exclusive games, but it's something that the company has to do because of Sony. According to Microsoft CEO.
00:33:12
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testimony today via The Verge. He said while commenting on the company's strategy and plans for the future, when he asked about games being exclusive to one platform, he said, if it was up to me, I would love to get rid of the entire exclusives on consoles. But that's not for me to define, especially as a low share player in the console market.
00:33:31
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The dominant player there, Sony, has to find the market competition using exclusives. So that's the world we live in. I have no love for that world. And I want to say somebody at Sony said a similar thing.
00:33:43
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How big headed do you think Sony is knowing that Microsoft scared them? I'm going to be honest, like that quote bugs me because that's a, that to me just seems like a very disingenuous quote. Cause it's like, it sounds like to the, like, you're like, Oh, that's great. You want everyone to be able to play everything. And it's like, no, they don't really care if you buy their console. They want everything to be on game pass so that you buy game pass. That's it's that simple.
00:34:08
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Yeah, we're talking like Xbox, everybody that's talking to the FTC or whoever, like they want to buy Activision Blizzard. Sure. Like we're in third place. Like what was us? We're just the little guys. Like throw us a bone. Yes. It's when it was Microsoft, the little guy. So that's what they're going to say. So I get in the next. No, I understand.
00:34:27
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I want to say something about this, but I don't, I'm not exactly sure. And it's also not true. What they would rather have is they would rather have exclusive stuff to Xbox. The Xbox was winning the console battle. That's what they would rather have. It's, it's the cycle and we could do a whole podcast on the side of these dang consoles since the freaking nineties. And we've seen this happen with.
00:34:52
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PlayStation and PlayStation 2, obviously they were new to the market. They were doing, they were, you know, they were gamer friendly. Like everybody play our games over here. This is the greatest thing. And then they basically took over games and then the PS3 came out and they're like, we can do whatever we want because we own everything. Let's make the PS3 $600. And everybody's like, whoa, hold on. We're not doing that. And Xbox 360 was like,
00:35:17
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here, you can come here, you can play online with your friends, we'll start Xbox Arcade, Xbox Live, we'll throw in a headset with everything. And then they were like, then they were on top of the world. And they're like, we can do anything we want. And then we'll do the Xbox One. And then it's just like, yeah, it's just a cycle of like, we're winning. So like, we're beyond winning. We're destroying everybody so we can do whatever we want. And
00:35:43
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We can come out with a VR headset that costs more than our console does now. That's kind of what we're dealing with here. If Microsoft wants to one up Sony, all they have to do is guarantee all their games are a hundred frames per second. That's it. Or work. But here's the deal. Yes, there is that cycle and that does happen, but.
00:36:08
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I've mentioned it many, many times before and Nintendo has proven it. Nintendo hasn't gone through those cycles for the most part. With one exception, that's the Wii U. And why was it the Wii U? It was because they didn't get a lot of third party love. Like they didn't go out and secure those games. So it's just a matter of, it doesn't really matter. Like PlayStation can charge $800 for their VR headset if they want. If they come out with 20 banging VR games that are exclusive to it, people are going to buy it.
00:36:35
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Yep. Right. And so if your games are good, people are going to come to wherever your games are to play. But I mean, they get to the point where they think they're like invincible and could do anything. And it's only getting that to that point again. Time will tell. Um, either way there's, I mean, on the game side of things they are, they're destroying.
00:37:00
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And if you remember, we talked about it on the podcast, years and years ago, before these new consoles were coming out, it was internally rumored that the PlayStation 5 was going to be
00:37:17
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500 for the digital, 600 for the main one, but then the Xbox prices leaked. And that rumored, we don't know this for sure, had PlayStation come down on price, which I tend to believe because the PlayStation 4 destroyed Xbox so hard that PlayStation would revert back to the PS3, PlayStation of being like, well, let's just charge more now.
00:37:40
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And if they would have come out with the prices first, I think it would have been 500 and 600. And then Xbox could have been there 300 and 500, which would have been like a big deal for them if that would have happened. But Xbox got leaked, you know? Get those leakers, man. Can't have the leaks. But the thing with Sony though right now is it just seems like the decisions that they've made from a game standpoint
00:38:06
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It just seems smart. Like they see the games of service stuff, you know, popping off everywhere. It's a good way to make money. Microtransactions, this, that, and the other. They don't come out and say, Hey, we're going to make a bunch of these kinds of games. They say, Hmm, let's be smart with this. Let's go buy a company that's really good at it. And then we'll use them to help us in Bungie. Right. And it's just, it just makes sense that they care about their games. If nothing else, Sony cares the heck about their games.
00:38:30
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It's funny you say that, Matthew. Tell me. I got an article from IGN here. We've talked about what you just said. Sony gives their teams time, like things need to get delayed, whatever. Yeah.
00:38:44
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A forum came out which someone had highlighted terribly on their emails where we can see through it so we know everything that it says that they tried to mark out.
Sony's Investment in Game Development
00:38:56
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This was a document basically saying how much money some of these games spend on stuff.
00:39:02
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The Last of Us Part II and Horizon Forbidden West each cost more than $200 million to develop based on new documents submitted as part of the ongoing Xbox Federal Trade Commission case. According to the poorly redacted declaration submitted by Sony Interactive Entertainment, The Last of Us Part II cost some $220 million to develop with a peak headcount of some 200 full-time employees. Horizon Forbidden West cost $212 million to develop and utilize more than 300 developers.
00:39:32
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The budgets provide a rare glimpse into the world of big budget game development where exact numbers are often treated as closely guarded secrets, uh, as well as sheer scale of triple A game development. And it goes on, but yeah, so that's kind of where we're at. And as of June, 2022, I looked up the last of his part to it sold 10 million copies, which 10 million copies of $60.
00:39:59
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was like, I don't know. I can't even math that. 800 million or something ridiculous, which they've obviously sold more than that. And I know there's different royalties that get spread around and stuff like that, but they've made hundreds of million dollars on that game.
00:40:13
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And I think that's what Sony has learned. It's like, when it comes to, if we, obviously they have to pitch the game to Sony. Someone comes and pitches the game to Mr. Sony and they're like, yeah, we hardcore believe that this is going to be something. We're going to give you all the people and all the money possible to make it what you just pitched to us and the time to do it. And I think it said that the last was part two took like 70 months, I think is what it says.
00:40:42
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Which is a long time. Why don't we just use years? Why 70? They used years for horizon and then they used months for the last. I had this conversation with someone the other day. How old does a person has, does a child have to be before you get to go to years instead of months?
00:40:58
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I think my child's 94 months old. I don't think we do that. Like where's the cutoff date there? Yeah. Yeah. With kids too, they do something weird with like weeks. And I'm just like, why? Basically five and a half years for the last of us part two. Yeah. Okay.
00:41:15
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I mean, which makes sense. Oh, here's the deal. If you, uh, if you have like three companies and you're in your, or three studios in your company that are making that quality of game and they're on a cycle where one of those games comes out every two years, man, you're happy. Those games are killing. Yeah. Right. So five and I like, that's not crazy. When's the last time a fable game came out? Um, maybe soon. What's funny is so the, the grand scheme or the grand conversation that we're talking about, I saw like a tweet.
00:41:45
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And it had to do with, in the last four years, Microsoft bought Ninja Theory, and then Sony bought Insomniac, and they were like, what has Ninja Theory brought to Xbox? And look at what Insomniac's brought to PlayStation in four years. And it's just this list of games compared to... It's so funny. I would even go a step further in saying, comparing just Bethesda to Insomniac. Oh, I know. That's insane.
00:42:14
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Which is still like, I mean, insomniac, I don't know what. Jug they're doing over there. Slinging bangers, dude. Cause it's like, they came out with Spider-Man 4. They came out with Spider-Man 4, but then just the PlayStation 5 era, they came out with Miles Morales on launch day. Then Ratchet and Clank the next year. Yep.
00:42:37
Speaker
Now we're going to get Spider-Man 2. Wolverine. And Wolverine is maybe 25 or 26. It's insane, dude. And here's the deal. Obviously they're pumping money into Insomniac to be able to do this stuff. And so like, okay, sure. Maybe you don't make as much money off of
00:43:00
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Wolverine or Spider-Man two or whatever is you just, there's still obviously going to make money because they're great games. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, but maybe instead of, you know, having like a 90% profit or whatever there, you're, I don't know, 60% profit and said, well, that's people that are buying your console to play that game. Cause you know, people are going to buy a console to play Spider-Man that once they're there, they're going to buy other stuff. Yeah. It's just going to happen.
00:43:27
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And it's just, it just makes sense. I mean, and that's why the 30 frames a second really bugs me about starfield and redfall and those kinds of things. It's because like, like we've been saying, it's all about the games. If your games are good, people are going to come to you. Your hardware should really only be that that they can run your games. Well,
00:43:49
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Agreed. Like, there's not a whole lot else to it. You missed the podcast where we talked about Starfield, so I'm sorry. Okay. Good trains coming on left. Do you know Starfield is the name of a really old praise and worship band? I did not. It's also the name of the explanation. I know. That's true.
Potential Xbox Acquisitions: What's Next?
00:44:09
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So all this capsulated, IGN put up an article today that
00:44:14
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So is Xbox contingency plan? What if Microsoft loses its FTC case? So where I would talk about this just for a second. Let's say Xbox, like obviously if they win and they actually get to purchase Activision Blizzard,
00:44:32
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They're going to have, I mean, let's honestly, it's like Call of Duty. Like if I was Xbox, I'm making Call of Duty exclusive as quickly as humanly possible. Yep. Especially after all this with Sony going back and forth, like at least making it where it's not showing up on Sony is something they'll probably do. Sure. I also wouldn't be surprised if they struck a deal with Sony, like they have these other were like Call of Duty is coming to you guys for the next 10 years or whatever, but
00:45:00
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Would you, would you say like, I think it'd be wise, honestly, to keep it on Sony so you could get that money, but to do like a, like a two months time to exclusive every year. I think that'd be a smart deal. I think a good plan if, if they're asking me would be to keep it as is, keep it over on Sony when the next
00:45:21
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five years from now when the next consoles come out, that's when it starts being exclusive. And you launch your next Xbox with an exclusive Call of Duty game. I think that's the plan. And be like, this is what we're doing, we're taking it. That gives you five years to kind of like figure out everything, you know? But this is what happens if they don't buy it. Option number one, attempt to buy Square Enix. Thoughts?
00:45:50
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I don't think so. I don't think it's as good of a fit. Yeah, I mean, I'd agree. I don't think Sony is going to let that happen.
00:45:58
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Now with all the exclusive Final Fantasy games, they always begin. Right. Whatever Microsoft offer, they'd match it. Well, I don't know if it's because of like my past. I always think when I think Square Enix, I think PlayStation. Yeah. Yeah. Like imagine a world where Final Fantasy 17 is an Xbox exclusive. That would be the, that would be the uncomfortable to me.
00:46:21
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Yeah, that would be the petty option where it's just like, well, if you're not, if you put up a stinking, didn't let us have what we want, we'll take what you want. Like, it seems like the petty option. Yeah. And I mean, this sounds weird because I mean, Square Enix is mostly Final Fantasy. I know they do other stuff, but Xbox already has like the persona thing in the bag. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, the deals with the person I come into games and all that kind of stuff. So I feel like if something was going to happen there, they may buy
00:46:47
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Even if it's just the rights to persona to kind of get that Japanese audience or to option number two attempt to buy Capcom Okay, just going through some of these things first one was square right
00:47:01
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Yeah. Currently, this is just a I guess this is current. This is a company's market cap.com. So Capcom's listed as a value of eight point two billion. What was the other square? Square is five point six billion. So Capcom's more more valuable. I feel like Capcom would be better for Xbox to do. You're talking Resident Evil Street Fighter Devil May Cry. Yeah. Monster Hunter Dead Rising. Like.
00:47:32
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That's why I don't want to happen, but it makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Option number three attempt to buy Ubisoft. This is the one that sounds like Xbox. I agree. But do you so guess the guess the value of Ubisoft. Two point eight. Wow, it's three point five. I would have assumed it was worth more than those other two companies.
00:47:59
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They lose a lot of money because they make mediocre games. Maybe so. I either this like Assassin's Creed, Splinter Cell, Rainbow Six, Prince of Persia. I mean, I would assume Just Dance is like their best selling game. Probably. Yeah. A lot of people love the Assassin's Creed games and buy them. But like if Assassin's Creed game is like the best thing you make. Well, Siege is probably their most successful thing in a while. Like Siege was pretty huge.
00:48:31
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The new Splinter Cell game coming out, obviously, but yeah. If Assassin's Creed, Splinter Cell, Rainbow Six, Prince of Persia were all Xbox exclusives, that would make sense to me. I agree. That feels right. I agree. It does. And then option four, invest heavily in new internal and mobile focus studios. No. If internal, sure. Mobile, no.
00:48:59
Speaker
That's not where you go build your game pass platform. That doesn't make a lot of sense. I mean, mobile games make a crap ton of money. So I mean, I understand making games for mobile, like even PlayStation does this on mobile, but. I just didn't make a lot of sense that you would go that way. Okay, well, we couldn't get back to vision blizzard. Let's just make mobile games instead. This doesn't make that doesn't feel right. I would like to add another option.
00:49:28
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What's up? The one that makes the most sense to me for either one of these companies, if you can't get Activision Blizzard, you go get EA. It makes sense. EA is worth half the value of Activision Blizzard, which is obviously half the market share, which, you know, they're kind of on the fence right now of whether or not they can, this is a monopoly or not. And EA is kind of floundering in my opinion, and a lot of the things that they're doing.
00:49:55
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Um, I selfishly, I would like, if I could pick anything, I would love for Sony to buy EA because they have a lot of properties that Sony could make single player games with. It would be ball. It'd be so good. When I, I feel like Square Enix, Capcom both makes sense for Sony to buy. I agree. Ubisoft and EA make sense for Xbox to buy. That just feels right. That being said, if Xbox does, if this doesn't go through, they're definitely going to buy somebody else.
00:50:25
Speaker
Absolutely. That's going to happen. One of these companies that we've mentioned in this conversation will be bought. I think so. If not multiple. When I read that, when I saw the article, I had the article pulled up and I was like, I wonder what the contingency plans are and let's look down through them or whatever. It was like, you can buy this, you can buy that. I was like, okay, where's the you can buy EA. I just expected that. That was the first one that jumped in my mind. That's got to be it. Because that's another one. If you want outside of Call of Duty,
00:50:56
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Maybe the biggest thing to get exclusive rights to would be Madden, FIFA, like that stuff. I mean, 2k would be part of that. Obviously 2k is not, um, it's kind of its own deal, but let's say that's when somebody buys 2k so they can have basketball gyms, but that's not involved with the ideal, but I'm saying, but if you could get those sports games, exclusive on your console, that is a specific, large, uh, like.
00:51:23
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group of people that are going to come there. It'd be interesting to see if it doesn't go through if even they still do some stuff like, Hey, let's make an exclusive Call of Duty game for Xbox. We'll pay you. And then maybe try and buy you again.
00:51:40
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Yeah, maybe so. Yeah. So that's, I mean, there's a lot more that's been going on. If you're listening and you're interested in everything that's been said, there's a whole bunch of emails. There's a bunch of interviews and it's still going on. So there's new stuff every day happening. I assume they'll probably, I don't know how long this is supposed to go on or if it's indefinite. I assume it will at least take a break for the weekend and then come back next week with some more stuff. But, uh,
00:52:08
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Interesting stuff and there'll be more stuff to add, you know, if, if something major happens, then we'll, we may talk about it here, but I did want to get an episode in where we talked about all this interesting stuff.
00:52:23
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But the last tidbit will blow through here. I'm not gonna talk about every single thing that was announced. Annapurna did do a showcase today and their big one that they announced was Blade Runner 2033.
00:52:39
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as their first in-house game. We don't know much about the game yet, but it was confirmed that it will take place in 2033 in a dystopian Los Angeles after the blackout and will fit in between the original Blade Runner and Blade Runner 2049. It's in development being led by Solar Ash in what remains of Edith Finch's Chelsea Hash, and we had a chance to speak to her, and the project will supposedly have a strong focus on narrative.
00:53:05
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Yeah. Okay. Cool. We got thumbs up. We got thumbs up from that. They talked about cocoon, which we've, we had seen in other showcases. Stray coming to Xbox August, 2023.
00:53:20
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This was an interesting one. Game called Thirsty Suiters gets a November 23 release date. Thirsty Suiters is a very unique game that features turn-based combat, skateboarding, cooking, and so much more, and will be released on PS4, Xbox Series X and S, and coming to Game Pass on day one. If you've ever wanted to play cooking mama and also Tony Hawk at the same time, this is the game for you. Oh my gosh. Thirsty Suiters stars Jala,
00:53:50
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who throughout the game will confront her exes, deal with her demanding parents, and get ready for her sister's wedding. And so much more in this game, also a stylist celebration of South Asian culture. There you go, boys. It sounds like an Andrew game. I'm pointing at myself right now. I was like, okay. I can skateboard and cook with my turn-based combat.
00:54:18
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Um. There's a game called to a T, if you haven't seen the trailer for this, it'll be the weirdest trailer you've seen since Buck Snacks. It's freaking weird. OK. It's good. It's literally on. It's called to a T. It's a dude that has his arms out like that, so it looks like a T and that's how you play the whole game like that.
00:54:38
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He takes off flying during the trailer and just goes, it's weird. Um, flock is a co-op game that has you flying through the skies with your friends with a bunch of flying creatures. Uh, ghost bike, which I think we've seen before a thrilling and speedy biking adventure through the afterlife. These are all in a printing games. Monday is a haunting hand penciled horror tale that is available now on PS five and X bike series X.
00:55:07
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Bounty Star, a compelling combination of mech, combat, base building, and farming, and stars an ex-soldier named Clementine McKinney. As you help Clem get over her guilt of her past, you will get to partake in a thrilling 3D mech combat and so much more post-apocalyptic version of the American Southwest. Storyteller is headed to Netflix for new content, whatever that is.
00:55:33
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It's a puzzle game that plays across multiple panels like a comic book. It will be available to all Netflix subscribers on September 26th. A lot of Annapurna type games are good for them. They're using that stray money and doing all sorts of stuff with it. Give me straight to. That's about it. That's all I got. Any final thoughts before we end this thing out, Andrew? I do.
00:55:59
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Just reflecting on the whole Microsoft thing and how we were talking
Xbox's Game Pass and Game Experience Issues
00:56:04
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about... I was talking about Sony's single-player games and we were talking about quality and dumping money and having faith in the people that you put your money into. It's sad to me that I wish that Microsoft would get off of their Game Pass crutch, honestly, because the thing that we're... Even with Halo Infinite being delayed, you know, and it wasn't the worst game in the world, but like,
00:56:29
Speaker
In the grand scheme of things, it wasn't a return to form, you know what I'm saying? As far as Halo goes. And I feel like what Sony is doing is they're sticking to the foundation of gaming and they're providing awesome experiences. There's a standard to their games. They're very memorable. They score high because they put a lot of passion.
00:56:50
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Money into these teams to make these games and I and I I don't know I think Microsoft at this point is just very big-headed and they have their game pass and it's super successful and we buy these companies and how all those companies games are on here, but like Where is those like just those gaming experiences that Sony's providing, you know, right? Where where your games to represent you and like put your name on the map, you know, it's sad. Yeah and sad and
00:57:18
Speaker
I agree with you with the game pass crutch thing because the deal is why would I put 50 more million dollars into this game when I, I'm not going to make 200 more million out of it because of game sales. Like it's just going to be, it's going to game pass, whether I spend 50 million or 250 million on. And so.
00:57:38
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Now, that does end up leading to more money because more people buy Game Pass, but I just don't think, I just don't feel like they get it. Like there's just something there that they don't get. I mean, Andrew talked about this on one of our podcasts.
00:57:53
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I've been like the biggest, like I love Phil Spencer. I think he's, I mean, he was put in charge right after, basically right after the Xbox one was announced. They're like, all right, you're in charge now. Yeah. And he's like, well, dang it, you know, well, dang it. So I give him the benefit of a doubt on a lot of that stuff. And even like being the one that spearheaded Game Pass and trying everything he can do in the Xbox one era to try and set up this console era.
00:58:22
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But based on everything you said, everything we've seen, the FTC on why he's done some of the stuff that he's done, it's just like, maybe he's not, maybe that stuff's just not gonna happen if he's in charge, you know what I mean? Which in my, like you see how upset he was at Redfall sucked. It's like, we purchased this big company and this game sucks. He was very pissy on the funny thing, but it's like,
00:58:49
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They could have posted. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, you could have just canceled this. Like, so like, like, here's the email saying we can eat two and three billion dollars. Yeah. Cancel Redfall.
00:59:00
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So, like, here's my question to you guys, because, like, I just don't remember, and I've been out of it with Xbox, okay? What was the last Xbox game that left an impression like The Last of Us, God of War, Horizon Zero Dawn, or Spider-Man? What Xbox game has done what those games have done for us as gamers? That's a good question. I can't remember. The biggest hits have been these little indie games that come out.
00:59:28
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as what you're saying, it's not on the same thing. But this is kind of what we talked about with Xbox, which is like, they had Forza Horizon 5, like, all right, good, this is great. And then the next game they came out with, which came out of nowhere was Hi-Fi Rush. And you're like, all right, we're building momentum. Yeah, I did like that. And then it's Redfall, and it just crushes all the momentum that you had. And that's like the cycle that Xbox has been on for quite some time now.
00:59:54
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But you get what I'm saying, like just memorable, awesome. It's embedded in you gaming experiences that you talk about for generations. You know what I'm saying? It's just I don't know. Here's the best selling. There's the best selling Xbox games in 2022. Right. I mean, it's called before that. I know. I'm just saying, but this is to make a point. Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2, Elden Ring, Madden, Lego Star Wars, FIFA.
01:00:21
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Call of Duty Vanguard, Call of Duty Black Ops, Gotham Knights, Forza Horizon 5, Saints Row. Where's the exclusive there? It's 9th of Forza. See, that's what I was about to say. I was listening to that list and I'm like, where's the exclusive?
01:00:37
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Gold game, you know, the game that just represents your, your last exclusive and everybody's different. There's, I'm not a racing person. So all the forces are out the door for me. It's not my, it's the last Xbox exclusive game that I was like, this is a pretty dang good game. It was quantum break on the Xbox one, which is from the team that made control.
01:00:59
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Yeah, I remember that. It was basically the control before like control. I remember it's like, oh, it's the best game we've ever played. It's like, well, that's because you didn't have an Xbox one. I forgot that game existed. That game was really cool because it was like it was like the one like you had the game play and then they had like a TV show in between, which was weird, but it was it was it was a really good game.
01:01:22
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But, uh, yeah, it's been a while and there was also more, I mean, we could go on forever and talk. Um, there was more talk about, uh, or more news about Halo coming out with Matt booty
Halo Infinite Updates
01:01:35
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back. A lot of the, a lot of the original team, a lot of the people from Halo three are now in charge of Halo infinite. Um,
01:01:46
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and him saying at some like they all like they're working on Halo Infinite still they're not they're still like gung-ho for Halo Infinite now they have like a lot of the team that was working on the Master Chief Collection is over working on Halo Infinite now and season four was kind of like the first thing which is the season that just came out now that they've had a hand in
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Um, which supposedly adds a lot of content and stuff. I haven't been on to play. Yeah. But they, they did kind of double down and being like, we're working to make halo infinite. Like gameplay is not the problem with halo infinite. It was, no, the game was ready to be out. And like, I've watched reviews and stuff. People talking about them playing season four and they're like, they should have launched the game now. Like season four has forged mode and now we got a bunch of old maps or not a bunch of old maps, but
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a bunch of newer maps and the game modes that we all kind of want. They redid the whole ranking system and experience system and all that kind of stuff. They're like, if the game would have launched like this, people would still be playing it now. But now no one plays. They're burning. Yeah. But they also did kind of confirm that Certain Affinity is working on the Halo Battle Royale. So fingers crossed for that still. OK. Matthew, any final thoughts for me?
01:03:04
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