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What's The Best Gaming Enemy Of All Time?
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Shower Thought Sparks Main Topic
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Speaker
What's up everybody welcome to the log on games podcast For Friday April the 12th with us
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today or before we get to that, we're going to talk about the things. Okay. I have a, I have a question that I took a shower about 30 minutes ago and I thought of this in the shower. So now it's like, you know what, this might just be the main topic of the whole freaking show, but also it could also last three seconds. I'm just thinking about Andrew covered insides now, but let's go.
Nostalgia for 'Keenan and Kel' and TV Documentaries
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We'll start a new podcast called the Andrews and Suds Podcast.
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We both do it. We both do it from our showers. We take a shower while we do the podcast. Oh, my God. You sit in the bath like these. Yeah. Like like Keenan on all that. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. It's funny because we have been watching the quiet on set documentary, which has been really rough, by the way. You got to be ready for that. But like it just got me thinking about that, like all that. And it's funny, before we started it, I was like,
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Oh, yeah, I loved all that. I'd love to go back and watch through that show again. She's like, you probably won't after this. I know. And watching through it, I was just like... You ruined it. Yeah, but... They did do an interview with Keenan, I don't know what show it was, where he basically said all that kind of stuff. He's like, it may have been happening while he was there, but he's like, for the most part, it all happened after he left. So I feel like...
00:01:47
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The Keenan and Kel, all that era was the beginnings of all the bad stuff, but it wasn't in full effect yet. I loved me some Keenan and Kel and the Goodburger, but yeah, that Robert, the little duck or the tub little series. What was the gist of it? I don't remember. He spoke French words.
00:02:08
Speaker
Oh, but it wasn't really French words. It was just him pretending to speak French. Yeah. He would say, he would say a line in French and then he'd say something like that translates to I filled my shoes with spaghetti and meatballs. Sounds like a Friday night to me, you know? Yeah.
Exploring iPhone Video Call Features
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On this episode today, we got the brick wall back. You can find him at xuser8x. We have Matt. Hey, you know, we have all the, all the little hand motions. I feel like if I do this, it should be like surf, like waves behind me. I think it should just start happening. Funny enough, I was, uh, I was on Discord. I was doing a Discord video call.
00:03:00
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on my iPhone. I did not know that the iPhones also have like all of like the like, yeah, it's like, yeah, so I was we were doing something. I was like, did you just see a weird animation? And I thought back to you, Matt, and I was like, oh, my God. So then I did like the metal thing and it lit up. I was like, oh, my God, the iPhones have this feature. That's so cool.
00:03:21
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Uh, like, I don't know, two months ago, I had to record myself preaching a sermon for a class that I'm in. And at one point I guess I did a thumbs up or whatever to like pops up on the screen. I just, I said to the professor, I was like, maybe you won't notice it. The emoji pops up on the screen. I listen to a podcast and that, uh, or if I'm watching it on YouTube, they're like holding their mics like this. And sometimes they'll just hold it like this for the thumbs up. And it's always a little thumbs up things like 15 of them per show.
Waffle House Karaoke Experiences
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That one. Also with us today, you can find him at Rofflin, on him in my waffles and we have Carlos. What's your favorite? What's your favorite place to get waffles?
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Bro, come on. The house. Did you really have to ask that question? The waffle. What's your favorite place? What's your favorite waffle to eat at home?
00:04:21
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My favorite, a homemade one. I've got, I've got my waffle maker, the Belgian waffle maker with the deep pockets. Deep, deep pockets. So I can fill it with syrup. We don't have any waffle houses close to Boston. And I wish we did. Cause I mean, what else are you supposed to do at like 2 AM when you're right? Like the waffle house is like, it's always there for you when you need it.
Gaming Excitement: Slay the Spire 2 and Destiny
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Yeah. It's like a three hour trek up north, man. Oh.
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I will tell you one of the craziest experiences of my life was walking into Waffle House in Travers West, South Carolina on an apparent karaoke night at the Waffle House. What? Wow. It was something. I didn't know it was a thing either. This is like 15 years ago or more.
00:05:03
Speaker
Yeah. You've never lived until you've done karaoke at the Waffle House. Me and Emily have always wanted to do the Valentine's Day at the Waffle House. But then by the time like we are like, Hey, let's do it. It's already been like booked up. Popular spot. Also with us today, you can find him with a full head of hair at Brown Berserker. We have Andrew with us on the podcast.
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Hey!
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What's up? Destiny. Oh, boy. Child? Destiny's child? Lots of lots of destiny. And and for me, the most celebrated announcement was yesterday when they announced Slay the Spire 2. Oh, my God. That is in my top three favorite games of all time. And after four or five years, they finally announced the sequel. And I'm like, oh, yeah, I need to play that. I've had a download on my PC for forever and I've just never opened it.
00:06:05
Speaker
It's a you game. Oh yeah. Yeah. It's a you game. I just need, just need to bite the bullet. And it's not that long of a game either, right?
00:06:15
Speaker
I mean, hard to say it's a rogue like, so like, you know, yeah, yeah, but yeah, sure. It's not long. Yeah. I mean, it's not like, uh, I'm not going to drive 60 hours. I can't remember like how, I mean, I guess it depends on your, your builds though. Right. So like, you know, a run could be like, I don't know, 45 minutes or something. Oh yeah. Sure. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. I'll check it out. It depends on how, you know, it's basically, if you start, you know, it could take a long time. Did they say when two was coming out? Uh, 2025.
00:06:46
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Just delayed 2026. Got it. How's it feel for it to be delayed to 2026? A card game. We think it's good. We think the card games getting delayed. No, probably not.
Rock Band Nostalgia and Gaming Collaborations
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Uh, we want to welcome everybody to the log on games podcast. This a weekly show, which our hosts discuss a variety of topics from new games, big announcements, events, food, music, mosh pits, clothing, fashion, spanking, sports, spanking fairies.
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spanking fairies. You know, it's a little sad now that Rock Band's not doing any more updates or new songs. I know. I feel like at some point those games like trends will make a comeback. Oh, yeah. Well, it's odd that like they're like we're we're not updating Rock Band with new songs anymore, but there's a new guitar finally coming out.
00:08:13
Speaker
Yeah, I thought maybe the guitar and the Fortnite thing might kind of like re-spark all that. I think they did all shift all their stuff to the Fortnite festival thing. But when you go on Fortnite, it tells you how many people are on each thing. And there's always there's like no one. Oh, 450 people are on festival now. You know, like that feels like that's not enough. Hopefully they shifted to a new game.
00:08:40
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Mm-hmm, but if they do a new rock band game They should just keep coming out with songs on rock band like just poured it all over so Rock band universe and just poured it all over and then yep Update graphics to fortnight graphics and call it a day Just don't put it in for name. Just no build mode, please No build mode, right? Um
Best Video Game Enemies of All Time
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Before we get into what we've been playing. Destiny. Right. MLB the show. One night of Rocket League. That's me. Atlantic. Avenue. I have a question that I thought about in the shower that I want to post you. And you can.
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It's the best of something, and the best could be your favorite, the best could be the hardest. It doesn't matter. I don't care. What is the best enemy in any video game of all time? Of all the times. Of all the video games in all the worlds.
00:09:51
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Like, personally, that you have played? Like, what is the best, most challenging to you as a person? I don't care. It doesn't have to be challenging. You're just memorable. Like, it's just the best one. I just want to know the best one. I know the correct answer, but I just want to know best. OK, so I wasn't going to expect this from me, but off the cuff, just straight off the cuff, not actually thinking about it. I was going to say the cuff. I was going to say the flood.
00:10:22
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That's close. I feel like the first time I encountered like the flood was so memorable. I've always heard a lot of people just because of like it's this new enemy and it's like but it's like more terrifying. Yeah. It's nightmarish. Yeah. Like and people were just like what is going on and yeah that's a good one. Plus and maybe in the TV show someone will you know have intercourse with the flood. I was literally going to say that.
00:10:49
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i wouldn't say that that would be like my go-to i have to really think about it but off the cuff i don't know why that's the first thing that popped in that's close to what popped in my mind was just the grunt just simply the grunt from halo really what it's just a fun little guy you know and then you pop his head and confetti pops out you know if you got that skull on they're always talking and gabbling and just having a fun time but then when you play legendary they have freaking
00:11:15
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alien rocket launchers that they're shooting at you over and over, and they can become really annoying. But I just feel like they're just the greatest. To be fair, when you have the confetti thing on, that is really satisfying. I will say, I thought from a story perspective almost, what was the best
00:11:37
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Like villain story wise video game. And like the first thing that popped in my head was the Uroboros slash Wesker Resident Evil four. Like that was the first one that popped in my head and it's. Yeah, that's probably it. I think for me, was good. There's a bunch of RE ones for me for sure. Yeah. And then the other one that really came to mind is I can't remember names off the top of my head, but, uh, the Bioshock bad guys, just because that's like the.
00:12:06
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Most insane story twist ever, where it's like, I'm on your side the whole time, but actually I've been. Psych. Yeah, exactly. And it's just, it's done so well. And so, so it's such a memorable, bad guy. Some might say Joel from the last of us too. Might be a bad guy. Yeah. He does. He kills a bunch of people. Yeah, he does. He kills a bunch of people that are trying to kill him. That's true.
00:12:37
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Um, yeah, I, he killed someone's father, you know, for trying to save the world. I think, um, for me, I'm going really far back, but, uh, Ganondorf from Arcarena time.
Ganondorf: The Memorable Villain from Ocarina of Time
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Heck yes.
00:12:58
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Really, just because like it's more of the atmosphere, you know, of its time is back then for anybody listening. Like, yes, it doesn't look good today, but back then.
00:13:12
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The the the atmosphere of just like the music, like the motion of like the stress of like this, you know, this guy and then like all the mechanics I really liked. I mean, I for a lot of the bosses, I think Ocarina Tom, I just really like all the little mechanics that they did. And it's like one of the early 3D games for its time. So, yeah, I I think that that really does something for me.
00:13:40
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still the best Zelda game in my opinion. I agree. I'm I Google search best video game villains is
00:13:53
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I feel like there's definitely a gap between like the actual villains and games, but then just like separate kind of like random enemies. But yeah, see, their answers have shifted my whole mentality. Dr. Robotnik. We have Dr. Robotnik. We have Bowser. Bowser. Yeah. I mean, Bowser just that's too easy to answer. Great songwriter. Great songwriter. That's true. No threat.
00:14:20
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I mean, but like when you're memorable, because like, you know, especially like Mario one and the lost levels, the real Mario two, those Bowser, I mean, at the end, yeah, it's super simple. You're just jumping over the guy to land on the axe and collapse a bridge. When you get to some of those last like levels where like the fireballs are shooting like a million of them and you're trying to jump over those and you're like at the very end of like beating this 2D platform boss,
00:14:47
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That was that was memorable for its time, for sure. I mean, like Mario 64, you know, like the three times you face him, he's a little bit different. He's a little bit better. You know, he turns a little bit quicker, you know, but yeah, I just I think for me, I always felt like.
00:15:07
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What I was fighting against in the Mario games was just the level. Like I'm just trying to beat like the level itself and not necessarily bows. Yeah. Yeah. That's fair. But he's probably the most famous bad guy. You get that one. I have a bone to pick. He's talking about Bowser. Pick a bone. Um, apparently the Oscars happened like a month ago.
00:15:32
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and i was like why are we going with this they had i know they had uh what's his face ken from barbie perform his ken song or whatever yeah yeah which is great and all but if we're going to perform a song from a movie last year it should have been jack black doing peaches like it should have been jack is blackest i agree and he should have won let's just all be
00:15:56
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Peaches are millions of peaches. I want to hear Jack Black do millions of peaches. Oh, right. Matthew, let's start with you because I know what us three have been playing, but what's you've been playing? I have I have been playing more more MLB the show than anything else. I think right now it's still pretty much brand new.
MLB The Show on Game Pass: A Sony Game Surprise
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That's a baseball game, guys. MLB of Russia.
00:16:24
Speaker
Um, I know sports. It is, it is a baseball game, which it's a, which I gotta say it's a baseball game. It's in a weird spot in terms of this whole like console war thing. Cause it is on game pass on X-Box. It is a game made by Sony San Diego studios. Like, I don't know. It's just interesting that the, I mean, the whole reason it's on X-Box in the first place as well. That's the whole reason it's on X-Box. The first place. Cause MLB said basically.
00:16:54
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Hey Sony, put it on Xbox or you don't get the rights to MLB anymore when the contract's up. So, um, which from MLB's perspective, I get that. I'm just surprised that it went over to Xbox a couple of years ago on game pass, like, okay, fine. It's on Xbox. That's one thing, but I don't know. It's just interesting. So are you playing it on game pass?
00:17:15
Speaker
No, I'm not. It's not on PC. So losers. I had when I had the the Halo Xbox, the Series X or whatever, I did play it that year on on Game Pass because it was why buy it when I have it there already. It's interesting because I thought that Game Pass was like a just like whatever it was on Game Pass was like issued library that the Xbox and PC had.
00:17:44
Speaker
for the most part yeah yeah it's probably 90 plus percent that but yeah there's some games that like like um what's the partnership they did with like league of legends and stuff like that obviously it's all on pc game pass but it's not a game on xbox so right and that's the same with this it's not a game on pc you can't buy it on pc either
00:18:07
Speaker
So yeah, have fun enjoying your obscure indie games, PC gamers. That's right. And you get, so you play cross-platform though. And so you see all the time, um, you'll play actually probably play more people on X-Box just because again, it's on game pass. So if you don't have to buy it and then every now and again, you see somebody playing and you play somebody that's on switch and you just know you're going to beat them because they're playing on the switch. Wow. It's on the switch too. It's on the switch as well. And that's been for a couple of years.
00:18:37
Speaker
It is a game that more than any game that I play, I have to be closer to the TV. I have to like, like your eyesight and like reaction time is like, that's what the S that is the game. Right. And it's like centimeters, whether it's a ball or a strike and you should swing or not kind of thing. So how is it online? Like, is there lag? Nope. Like you've played NBA 2k lag and mad. Yep.
00:19:06
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Which NBA 2k lag is on a whole nother level. Like Madden lag is, is whatever. Well, it works well because it basically switches over kind of who hosts each thing. So the pitcher does his pitching inputs and he hosts that. Right. And then sometime in between, when he throws the pitch to when the batter hits it, it goes to batter basically hosting. So like there will be, if, if you have a bad connection with somebody.
00:19:33
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If you have a bad connection with somebody, the lag comes in between
Frustrations with Microtransactions in Sports Games
00:19:37
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the time it takes the pitch to get from your pitcher's hand to the batter's swing, but you don't see it. You don't see that live. You only see that if you're pitching. If you're batting, the pitch comes. So they do a really good job of that, honestly. Servers have been pretty good. They've had some issues.
00:20:01
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you know, immediately after the game came out, like they always do with any big game, but it's been good. It's just honestly, if we had a conversation about it, my conversation would be the frustration of exactly what like two K's doing and Madden's doing and FIFA's do it. It's like, it's all of the just continuous, like more and more transaction, microtransaction stuff, trying to suck more and more money out of people and not,
00:20:29
Speaker
Yeah. When are they going to learn? The microtransactions are just cosmetic stuff. Like it's not stuff that's going to make you like better, is it? Yes. Yeah. So it's like Diamond Dynasty is what they call it. The same thing as ultimate team and soccer or mad or whatever. You're you're trying to get cards out of packs and then put them in your team. So your team's better because those cards are better. And they've always been that way. Yep. They've always been that way. Card game.
00:20:54
Speaker
do non-support there's actually a decent MLB card game on mobile but regardless like they dropped yesterday was the first time that I can personally remember them dropping a new set of cards if you will like there's like whatever seven or eight new cards that you can get
00:21:10
Speaker
and they're exclusively packs like there is zero ways to get those packs or get those cards outside of just buying them and generally generally they would come out with like hey here's 10 new cards eight of them are in packs two of them if you grind this program you can play enough games to get them right or you can grind this program enough to get a free pack at the end of it but this is just a straight drop of new cards there's no way to get some without
00:21:38
Speaker
I was going to say, that sounds like some of Destiny's exclusives where you can only buy the Ghost of Tsushima collaboration for silver, but what ends up happening is I feel like
00:21:50
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within like a year or so, they end up putting that stuff for like in-game currency for free anyway. Well, I love it though. They'll put like a piece or something. But like in Matthew's case, so the ones that are locked for this one you said just dropped with the cards and there have a substantial advantage over non-paying players.
00:22:16
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Yes, a little bit there's definitely some right so generally what they do is they come out with cars and tears So I think this drop that just dropped is like
00:22:25
Speaker
It's like eight to 10 cards, something like that. And you open it up and you get to select from a tier, right? So either you get the worst tier, which is I think all 91 rated, something like that. You get like the middle tier, which is like 93-ish, 94 rated. And then you get like the big tier, which is like 95 and 96. There's like two or three cards you can choose from, right? So not only are you not opening the pack to get the card you want, you're just hoping to get a good tier.
00:22:51
Speaker
But there's no way to get those packs currently. No, they always can come out with stuff tomorrow
Challenges in Playing MLB The Show Online
00:22:56
Speaker
or whatever. Here's a new program. And this pack is, you know, as part of the program, but I just can't play sports games. It's pay to win.
00:23:03
Speaker
going back to what you were saying in a lot of ways. Yeah, you'd have to sit close to the TV because the like the hitbox is that good like the registration of the ball is like two centimeters from the bat and you miss it actually was two centimeters and like when it connects like the hitbox is that sure so if you're like just slightly under the pitch
00:23:25
Speaker
You're going to pop it up. If you're a little too much on top of it, you're going to hit it in the ground. First person shooter games. Take note, learn how to hit boxes. I know. Right. That's, but that's part of it, but really the biggest part is it's pitch recognition, right? So the thing in baseball is.
00:23:42
Speaker
Partially, is it too high or too low for the strike zone? But the big deal really is, is that a fastball or is that something that looks like a fastball that's about to slow down big time and I'm gonna swing away early. And so, and it's super detailed. Like I know Mitch Keller, I don't know if they've patched it or not yet, but you could tell the way he, like, I don't know, the way that he pitched, you could basically see his fingers on the ball and tell whether it was a fastball or not by, before he throw the ball. Like it's really detailed. When someone gets to second base, what does that mean?
00:24:13
Speaker
I knew that was coming. I knew it before you said it. But again, the gameplay is actually really fun. It's just, it's still frustrating with the thing. It's like the same thing NBA is doing with 2K or it's like, Hey, you want a new haircut? That'll cost you 10 bucks. It's like, Oh my gosh. Like why? Who cares? What? NBA is like, you have to pay actual money.
00:24:34
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I understand a full blown like, you know, costume or armor set, but a haircut? No, dude. Oh, it's like NBA is the worst. NBA is real bad. NBA is like you either pay what? Two, three hundred dollars when the game comes out to get your if you're playing online, which a lot of people do to get your character to like ninety five to ninety nine overall or whatever. So you can like.
00:25:01
Speaker
compete in like the highest things or you can grind it out and slowly get experience points over time. You're going to start at like 78 overall and you can end up getting enough free, but I don't know if anybody's ever done that. Is that price a joke? What you just said? No, no.
00:25:24
Speaker
So basically the way, plus if you want like new clothing or a new haircut or a mustache or whatever it is, literally everything costs money. I have like a mustache pack, like a mustache bundle. There's a barber shop and you go there and you pay real money. Yeah. The way ABA does it is everything, including upgrading your guys attributes to changing clothes to whatever cost VC points.
00:25:47
Speaker
And they've priced it to so high that you can grind it out, but it's like $10,000 for a haircut change. But in playing a game, you get 24. So in hindsight, it's just a straight up win. Like if you play an entire 82 game NBA season, like your first season, you play all the games and you are really good or whatever. And you win the championship. You can probably get enough VC to make your guy. I don't know.
00:26:16
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three to four overall better over the course of that whole season, something like that. So like you have to play a lot. It seems a lot. And yeah. And so I'm talking about MLB the show and Madden Ultimate Team does it. EA Ultimate Team does it is, you know, I actually don't have an issue with that. The idea that, um,
00:26:40
Speaker
Hey, if you want to drop all this money and get these cards up front, I have no problem with it. Like that's make money off of that. Go for it. But give the people that want to sit there and grind and play your game a reason to do so. Like, cause basically they just dropped a ton of content that if, if you're somebody who's not willing to spend money on the game, you have no reason to play their game to try to grind to get it. And that's really what they want is they need to at least have some stuff that you're going
00:27:06
Speaker
All right. Well, I'll play this for 20 hours this week in hopes to get that card at least, you know, I wonder what I'd be curious to know, like if MLB was like, yeah, this game needs to be on game pass. Like they made that a point. And if that's the case, how and why, or if it's even possible for like the NFL and NBA to do the same thing.
00:27:28
Speaker
Because we've talked about it on this show forever, that like NBA Mad and all these games should just be free because they make an ungodly money on microtransactions that it probably wouldn't even hurt them that much. And it might possibly even make more money that way. So even just putting it on Game Pass or PlayStation's game catalog.
00:27:50
Speaker
Yeah, I was hoping that would be good. Yeah, I wouldn't like hurt when you spend $70 on a game that you're like, well, you have to spend 200 more if you want to, you know, be viable. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm just not like I'm not.
00:28:06
Speaker
One, I'm not good enough at this game to justify spending hundreds of dollars on it to get a player that's a little bit better than the other player. I'm just not. I remember the fun times of us playing NBA 2K online.
00:28:21
Speaker
Yeah. And so what happens online is like you, you can party up with your friends and stuff like that. And there's a bunch of courts, like a real, like if you went to a real park or whatever, but there's like eight courts in this area and you're watching real people playing the game that they're playing and has the score and everything. And so you can walk up and basically get next, there's like a little circle. So you'll be like, oh, there's three open spots over here. Let's go over here and do the three on three or whatever.
00:28:47
Speaker
three guys, so there's two on two, there's one on one, and five on five. You get your two friends, and you go over there, and you just kind of sit there, and you watch, and then whoever wins stays on. And so the winner, then you go on there. It was really fun, the good old days of, first of all, the lag is insane, so it's impossible to play defense. But we'll be 74 overalls going in there, but we actually know how to play basketball against these people that
00:29:14
Speaker
let's spend $400 get our guide and 98 overall, just so I can unlock all the moves and stuff. And so like, we would have games where we would be like, people that have spent hundreds of dollars and that was the most satisfying.
00:29:26
Speaker
It was probably like four or five years ago at this point of NBA 2K games, but like, yeah, it would be like, no, we're going to like run plays that we know we're going to cut back door and stuff like that. Other people are like, I'm going to dribble, spin, shoot a half court shot. And then like, it goes in half the time. You're like, well, someone spent some money. All right. Well, we have been playing a game.
00:29:57
Speaker
The three of us, the two Anders and the Carlos. Andrew, what have you been playing? I'll be back. I'm just kidding.
00:30:11
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Yeah. After, um, after, um, I guess like a decade, I finally got what I wanted as a old school gears fan. We actually got a hoard mode and my gosh, I could just do that all day. If I could, you know, I could do a 45 minute run wipe and be like, just throw me back in.
Introduction to Destiny's Onslaught Horde Mode
00:30:27
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Let's go back in the garage. Love it. Love it. So tell me about this hoard mode that, I mean, I know what hoard mode is, but how do they do it? Do they do like upgrades along the way? Do they do like, how does it work?
00:30:41
Speaker
Carlos, get them. So Onslaught is a horde mode. There's two. There's two. There's like a public one, I guess, to both public. But you can either just do 10 waves just to kind of get through or you do the 50 waves all the way through. It progressively gets harder. And there is like there are defenses that you can put up. So you everyone gets a starting currency. It's a shared. It's you each get your own allowance, but everybody earns the same amount together.
00:31:10
Speaker
of scrap. Yeah. And so there are these like, there are these items are like little trip wires or trip mine things. There are turrets, there are decoys, and you'll see them highlighted out there and you can spend the currency. But as you play and progress, you can upgrade them, I think up to like level three.
00:31:30
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Yeah. And so it puts you in a place and there is a zone. I think it's called like was the ADU or something like that. Yeah. Something like that. It's like this machine thing and you got to defend it. And is it three players?
00:31:46
Speaker
Yeah, it's three players, unfortunately. Yeah. And so you're you're pretty much you're protecting it as the waves are coming in and in between waves, you can either some like these defenses will get destroyed so you can rebuild them and.
00:32:06
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Yeah, so and the little unit will move around the map over the course of the waves and you're just defending that area and it can take damage. So there are these like enemies that will drop these orbs that you can throw at it and it'll heal it. And then eventually or it's already full heal and you throw an orb and you get like I forget how long you get an amount of time where you get extra scrap for like doing. Yeah, sick.
00:32:37
Speaker
So every 10 waves, there is a portal that opens up and you go through it and then you're doing boss battle like a boss. You do these little phases and there's like a boss at the end eventually you defeat them, you get loot and then you jump back to the portal and you're back at the next spawn area of the city or wherever, whichever map. And yeah, and it gets increasingly difficult.
00:33:01
Speaker
And the weapons that they have for that are a lot of old weapons they brought back that you guys can give a better description of because it was before my time in Destiny. But yeah, no, it's fun. It's it's it has been a lot of fun. It's been nice to just go back and make builds specifically for this year.
00:33:23
Speaker
Yeah, it's fun when you get to like, you know, wave 30 and your other two teammates are dead and you kill yourself with a grenade launcher. That's great. If all three of you die, it ends, or if you're a little shitty thing that you're guarding, if it takes too much damage, then it ends as well. Yeah. You said 50 levels? Yeah. 50 waves. Is that attainable?
00:33:48
Speaker
I think so. Or is that like... Oh, it's already been done. Yeah, it's already been done. So, yeah, and that's the thing. There's a regular mode and then there's like a Legend Master mode. A heart, yeah. Basically a heart mode. Gotcha. Yeah. How far have y'all gotten in a heart mode? We got to the final boss. Was it? Yeah. We were at the very end when we died. We were literally at the very end. Ah, crap. Wow. Yeah.
00:34:12
Speaker
I haven't gotten that far yet. I've gotten to wave 30, but I also haven't played with like y'all or groups like we're on a mic and like coordinating stuff. It's just been like doing the fire team finder. And then afterwards you look and I'm just like, do people not understand like this is a wave based, like you have to kill people like a lot because some of these teammates, man.
00:34:35
Speaker
No, I'm truly blessed to have been playing with some, you know, awesome teammates. So I, this is like my forte. I love like the call outs where the enemies are coming from. I'm going to freeze this dude. You guys, you strand and send those groups in the eye. God, dude, I love this so much. Love it so much. So what, um,
00:34:56
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Is it free as part of like, yes, free free for everyone. All the items that you can earn everything in that the whole entire thing is entirely free, which is really awesome.
New Armor Sets and Weapons in Destiny
00:35:08
Speaker
I'm going to attempt to read down to destiny. It's possible that my PlayStation is going to be like, you need 743 gigs available to download destiny. Probably, but I'm not attempt.
00:35:18
Speaker
I think it's 120 something. And the cool thing is to Matt, anybody, if you're coming back after a long time, you load in on a character, there's already a a up to date armor set for light levels. 18 to get you to get you up. So you're just right. Yeah, that's it. That's nice. I think I played and weapons and weapons. Yeah, I did all the witch queen stuff. That was last time I played. I don't remember what kind of doing the light fall stuff.
00:35:47
Speaker
Nope. You're not missing anything with Lightfall. Uh, Witch Queen was really good though. I was saying, it was amazing. And also I had not played.
00:35:59
Speaker
Oh man, at least one, maybe two before that DLCs. And so there was a lot of things when I came in. I was like, okay. All right. Well, I don't know. It depends on how much you've done. I know brand new players can now skip a lot of like the new like campaign stuff.
00:36:18
Speaker
and just kind of like get their first subclass and go and hit 1810. So yeah, I'm trying to make it real easy for people to get ready for the final. No, I think this is a huge W for them. Like, you know, like this, like, I don't know how much time and work they put into this, but like you guys were saying, a new activity, new armor, new weapons. If you haven't been here for a while, hey, you're now up to up to level with everyone else. And it's free. Like this is like the best thing they could have done to pull people back in.
00:36:47
Speaker
straight up yeah and then for for us that play a lot like legend mode is hard i don't know if you've just been going through it willy nilly but it seems the people i get with like we hit the third i guess starting wave
00:37:04
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30. I think 30 is when it starts 30 to 40. Like, yeah, it starts. You're going to lose at some point. That's just why it's going to be unless you're trying. There's two giant knights ruffle stomping on your base. Yes. Oh, yeah. That's what took us out, dude. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Or they're just like on top of just smashing. That is one thing, though, like these guys will literally spawn. So like the enemies will have to hear them. You'll know. OK, they're coming from the location. They're coming from over here.
00:37:32
Speaker
These guys, the tall ones, they will spawn just right on top of the base. It's ridiculous. And just start to wipe in people, so you have to like look out for them. They should just straight like Kool-Aid man us. You don't hear it at all. You're just like three guardians die at the same time. Oh, yeah. I was telling a friend yesterday in a party while I was playing. I was like, yeah, if you do a certain quest and then they drop two new weapons every week for the next three weeks, whatever.
00:38:02
Speaker
You'll get the keys to unlock an all black shader, which shouldn't mean anything. But to me, it means a lot because I really want that. Oh, yeah. There's a lot of callbacks for like the OG players, both D1 and D2. So for a lot of people coming in, this is just a whole slew of new stuff. But then for the OGs, we are now chasing our old weapons with new roles, which are like super powerful. It's really cool. Yeah, it's really cool.
00:38:26
Speaker
OK, well, let's let's talk about what we have 20 minutes left on the download. So if we can talk for 20 more minutes, at least we can. Let's talk about what we saw Tuesday, guys. Well, I want to I want to know. So if we would have if I would have known that this stream was going to be this, we would have done a reaction. I know. Right. But I what they said last week, they're like, actually, we're going to show off some gameplay for the final shape. They didn't say we're going to blow your brains out. I know.
00:38:55
Speaker
No, literally. It's like, oh, they're going to stream for two and a half hours and it's just going to be like random stuff. Well, so, Andrew, let me just how did you see it and what was your reaction? So what's funny is I was so excited for this new update that I forgot there was a stream. OK, so then like I start playing onslaught with like, you know, raffle here and like, you know, they're like, oh, would you watch the stream? I'm like, wait, crap, it was a stream today. And it's like, yeah, there's like
00:39:24
Speaker
They're basically taking like, so say like, if the X-Men existed, they're like, what if you took the powers of all the X-Men and put it into one X-Men? And it's like, they're doing that in Destiny. And I'm like, what? Like, what?
Destiny's New Subclass: Mix-and-Match Abilities
00:39:38
Speaker
You can't do that. I've been, I've been trying. You can't do that. Yeah, I was explaining that to Mick the other day, just how freaking exciting and insane it is, because like,
00:39:50
Speaker
You know, not only are you able to like mix and match these abilities for your subclasses, but also there's more fragments. So you have that to play with, but also now with these class items.
00:40:06
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you know, there's class items that are going to allow you to take perks from different exotics. The combinations are like, it's not real. It's insane. And then pairing that with exotic weapons or even just weapons with certain traits, perks, it's just like, you can do just about anything you want. Yeah. So I woke up and watched it on my phone and also I was watching it.
00:40:28
Speaker
I was like, or I was like, okay, it's out. So I had to turn it in the YouTube video. My phone was watching. And the first thing that they show in the video, well, it's what's face Luke comes up and it's like, Hey, this is not the end of destiny. He basically with his tone and manurisms was like, this is not the end of destiny. You're all just shut up. There's more destiny and there's going to be more destiny for a long time. It's basically what he said.
00:40:51
Speaker
And then they cut to this, the gameplay and it's like, there's a new bar below the super bar. And like, he's throwing out a freaking stasis and ice moves at the same time and all this stuff or stasis and solar moves at the same time. And it's just like that one scene or whatever. And I was like, I don't even, I can't even comprehend. And then they showed us the whole thing and then I still can't even comprehend. It's wild. Yeah.
00:41:12
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So I'm envious of you because I think Carlos is in the same boat as me. We had someone in our Discord tell us what happened in that trailer. I would have loved to just watch it and just been like, what am I seeing? I just had my mind blown.
00:41:27
Speaker
To be honest, so I was still blown just by watching it. Yeah, yeah. Because I caught I totally forgot about the stream and then I was working because I was wanting to try to I was like, maybe I can get those emblems if I watch a stream along. Yeah, I looked at the time on the subreddit and I just did the time. The.
00:41:46
Speaker
Yes, TCSTP. Yeah, I got that all mixed up. So it's like I thought I was on time, but I was late, but I caught the last like couple of minutes of it. And that's when I saw all this craziness happening at the time. They were also introducing like the the Strand and Stasis enemies from the whole new enemy set. They were showing out off and the gameplay. And I was all I was just like.
00:42:14
Speaker
Yeah, so essentially for those that haven't seen it or know like I feel like the devs sat down there like what if we what if we just broke the game completely like the stuff that we do for fun like if someone could hack and mod this entire game like what if we did that but for real
00:42:35
Speaker
Let's do it. I just basically all of the abilities that you have all the solar, all the void, all the arc, not just from your own subclass and stuff, but from hunters, Titans and warlocks and everything. What if everybody just had access to everything and you could just make whatever you wanted to make? And that's essentially the new subclass for the final shape. Yeah. And it's going to be wild. It's interesting because I know someone in our friend group
00:42:59
Speaker
Wade, who is not going to be happy about that, because I don't know if you remember, but we had this discussion one time where he liked every class and I do get the argument of every class being unique and being their own thing. And so now with this, I was also like that, to be honest. Yeah. So I could definitely see where, like, people would be upset about that. But, you know, at the same time, they didn't put everything into Prismatic. They purposely left things out to make
00:43:28
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other builds still viable. Well, just for clarification sake, it's not like the Warlock is going to be able to do the Hunter's abilities and the Hunter's going to be able to do the Titan abilities. But not all.
00:43:43
Speaker
But, OK, see, I thought like if it's like a Titan melee, he can pick he or she can pick from, you know, their different subclasses of melees, not like, oh, I want the I want the warlocks, you know, fireballs like it's not like that to an extent. Obviously, it's not all of them, but they pick certain ones that do carry over. So it's and same with the with the exotic
00:44:12
Speaker
The new exotic whatever class item for everybody. Those perks can come from different from Titan stuff that you can do. So they didn't actually release the list or show what perks that they were going to allow for the class item that they. I don't think they haven't shown us everything now. Oh my God, that's insane.
00:44:32
Speaker
Yeah, it's just going to be figuring a lot of that's going to be figuring it out on the fly. What they said was like, apparently the first mission of the final shape, we get it. Yeah, we get there. There's a starting set. I saw that. Yeah. So, OK, question was wild to you guys to do. Has this changed your mind about pre-ordering?
00:44:55
Speaker
bro okay onslaught and this showcase i'm like digital deluxe baby i'm back in same i'm the same way i've heard it yet but yes yeah digital deluxe i'm back
00:45:10
Speaker
Now, I mean, I'm still worried about, you know, if the campaign itself is going to be as good as like a witch queen or a forsaken, that is to be determined. But similar to Lightfall, like the campaign, utter garbage, utter trash should have never existed. But everything else with Lightfall was great. Strand and all the quality of life stuff that they did and stuff.
00:45:32
Speaker
that is another thing and join that stuff so was this subclass being worked on in the last five months or do we think this was originally part of no i think because of just the aesthetic of the you know when we were heading at the end of the lightfall campaign or you get to where the uh
00:45:54
Speaker
the pyramid ship, the crazy colors. It kind of had a prismatic like... Oh, that's fair.
Future of Destiny: Final Shape Subclass and Destiny 3
00:46:00
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. I think it was definitely planned. And I think the delay was really just them making sure that the bugs, that there were as few bugs as possible. It's destiny. I still feel like that's going to be a thing.
00:46:14
Speaker
It's interesting because, you know, there were leaks about the red subclass. And now we see that that's that's not going to happen. I think Andrew does like a few episodes back, maybe and maybe it was one of the Destiny ones, but he was like, you know, like prediction. Will there be a new subclass and, you know, the final like final shape? And we're like, I think two of us right now. No way. There's no way. There's no way.
00:46:41
Speaker
Well, this there was a Reddit leak from months and months ago when the employees were getting laid off and stuff that someone came on and was like, hey, basically said everything that we saw. You're going to be able to combine all your different subclasses and blah, blah, blah, blah. It's going to be called prison. I think we may have said it on the show, but it was always just like rumor crap. Yeah, yeah. So now everybody's gone back to that post and he's also posted since then.
00:47:11
Speaker
And he said at some point there was, and maybe still is, he has no idea anymore.
00:47:16
Speaker
But at some point they were working on a Destiny 3 codenamed something. I forget what it was called, what the codename was. But so now that's also turned the Destiny world into a, are they like completely breaking the game, giving us literally everything that we've ever wanted. Like every subclass, even stuff from other hunters and Titans and Warlocks all combined and one thing, because
00:47:44
Speaker
destiny 3 is gonna something's gonna happen and we're not gonna you know, this is gonna kind of be the end of destiny 2 and destiny 3 is gonna be its own thing or this is destiny 3 where everybody just has access to everything and you can kind of just like Create your character as a matter if you're a titan hunter or whatever. You're just gonna have access to Whatever you want. This uh, this whole super combo is optional, correct?
00:48:07
Speaker
Like if I want to run just all stasis, I can just say, correct. Yeah. It's a new subclass. Okay. Full, full on new subclass. Okay. And I assume they'll add things over time. You know, like not everything's going to be available at one time. And they'll just add.
00:48:27
Speaker
You know, different fragments and abilities and aspects. Oh, did you hear, what did they say? They said like right now we have 16 and it's going up to 24. Did you hear about that? What? Right now, I think on each subclass we have like 16.
00:48:47
Speaker
I can't, I always mix up aspects and fragments. Oh, no, they're frag. There's going to be more fragments. Yeah. There's going to be like 24 now, which is insane. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I hope that because the amount of, and also like the, let's not forget, they're adding a hundred volt space for a total 700.
00:49:04
Speaker
But it's got that clean out your vaults, people. What are you all doing? I don't think I have 70. I know people that are constantly. Yeah, constantly. But another thing is I do hope with all these possible combinations that they increase the loadout size, the maximum amount. Oh, they have to. Yes. I haven't been maxed out loadouts for a long time. Yeah. Because I've been maxed out and then I've got like plus four or five more and dim.
00:49:27
Speaker
Well, it's weird. It's like Monster Hunter. It's like it's technically almost infinite. I remember playing Monster Hunter World and I had like or the expansion forgot it's called something. Yeah. And I had like 20 builds and that wasn't even maxing that out. Like I had like 20 builds in that game. So. One last bit of destiny news today, as we record on Thursdays, we had where they have their blog post or whatever.
Destiny's Pantheon Boss Rush Mode
00:49:57
Speaker
I want to talk a second about Pantheon. I don't know if you guys have seen this yet. I watched Cross's video on this. I have not yet, but this is essentially... So they talked about this in the last streams when they talked about Onslaught, the new Horde mode and stuff like that. And they're like, on April 30th, we're going to do Pantheon, which is simple as...
00:50:15
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uh raid boss horde mode i guess boss rush mode yeah um so this is what they say in their thing we have already shared some details about pantheon the new pve challenge that will start on april 30th it involves not only a gauntlet of raid boss encounters currently available in the game but also a few twists and how to approach them
00:50:35
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We are keeping some details close to the chest, including the list of enemies you will face, but since you're eager to know more about it, the goal of Pantheon is to relive those incredible and heroic moments that raids always deliver while also changing what you expect from some of the encounters many of you already know so well. Prepare to be nimble, adapt your strategies, or throw them out the window and your fireteam will find success. Pantheon will increase in scale and difficulty each week, starting with four bosses and the
00:51:03
Speaker
in the first one and growing up to eight in a row on May 21st. Each time a new boss is added, the active modifiers will rotate and the power cap will change, starting with players five power below all the way up to contest mode equivalent to 20 power below. As the difficulty goes up, so does the pool of available rewards. You can get adept raid weapons, deep site versions of raid weapons, and even exotic weapons.
00:51:30
Speaker
Some rewards are weekly and others are linked to pursuits or triumphs like the new emblems, but many will also depend on your performance. We challenge you to complete each counter before the bonus timer expires to get Platinum score in the greatest rewards. When April 30th arrives, we hope you have trained and prepared yourselves, Guardian. Shaxx will have a quest in your journey, blah, blah, blah. So excited about boss rush. I'm excited to see it solo.
00:51:59
Speaker
Um, hopefully this makes it easier to get the exotic raid weapons, which I assume it will be because a lot of what they've been doing before the final shape is to get players that have been grinding for something for a long time. You get it, new players coming in or players that are half played, but are coming back up to speed and ready to go for the final shape. So.
00:52:24
Speaker
Exciting stuff. A lot's happening. A lot's happening. A lot didn't happen in Destiny. They just need to put MLB in Destiny and then Matthew will be set. They had soccer at one point. They did. I played it a bit.
00:52:40
Speaker
The amount of time we wasted just kicking balls around, you know, more time than I spent playing the actual game for a few weeks there for sure. Sometimes they should have done a league, you know, as they did the Sparrow racing league, they should have done.
00:52:54
Speaker
a soccer league soccer soccer that event so much more likely to super get into like sparrow racing like uh yeah you know it's like well because now now they get skimmers they get the skimmer racing now with half pipes going you know i was saying it's some tony hawk style thing like you know trying to get points doing like tricks and
Bringing Back Destiny's Sparrow Racing and Soccer League
00:53:18
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stuff
00:53:18
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Yeah, you know, when you like double tap outside, you do the little flip thing like that can count like X amount of points and then you do grind and that'd be really cool. Step up. Any final thoughts, anything you want to say before we end this up? Destiny. We're back. Yeah, we're back after hating on it for a year.
00:53:46
Speaker
Also, this is, you know, full disclosure. Man, the servers were just absolute garbage from the start. I got on it like my experience was good. Mine was not bad. Yeah. Well, evening, though, because I didn't get on. Yeah, I know that. Yeah.
00:54:04
Speaker
I got on at like 1.30 pm or whatever until like 3.30 and just got kicked out a bunch and then completely or successfully did like three runs but just the rewards didn't work in the questing. Yeah in the evening there was no offense or defense delay. It was good. Yeah and a new thing that they added I don't know if they added this to every mode maybe it's just onslaught but like if you get kicked out for a reason or your power goes out or whatever
00:54:30
Speaker
and you come back on, it's like, hey, do you want to join the game you were just in? Yeah, that's something they've had in there for a while. It's been a while. It's been a while. This is the first time I've seen it. Yeah, it's really cool. But it also didn't work whenever the service happened. It was like, hey, you got kicked out and you want to go back in? I was like, yeah, they're like, sorry, you can't bend the air. Why'd you ask?
00:54:48
Speaker
All right, we want to thank everybody for listening to this episode. Again, new podcasts every Friday. You can watch us at youtube.com slash out log on games. That's going to do it for us here. We will be with you all again next Friday.