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The Beginning Of The End For XBOX
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Xbox's Shift to Third-Party Games
00:00:13
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What's up, everybody? Welcome to the Log on Games podcast for Friday, February the 9th on this episode. You probably guessed it. If you've been around Internet world at all this week, Xbox is up to something. I don't know. They might be on fire. It might not be as big a deal as we think. We don't know. But there's been a lot of stuff happening with Xbox moving their games to other consoles.
00:00:40
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going, quote unquote, third party, maybe or maybe not doing consoles in the future. There's a whole bunch of speculation at the moment. And some facts, because we had Phil Spencer say, hey, we're gonna do a thing that explains everything next week. So we're gonna talk about that. And with me today, you can find him. I don't know about 15, 20 miles above me.
00:01:11
Speaker
Raffle on my waffles. We have Carlos was above you. Oh, hey, buddy. Like the Brady Bunch was looking down early. I think I think I know where my gong is. Oh, wow. He never has ready. He moved. It's you know, we'll let that fly. We'll let that fly. We'll let that one. We'll let it fly. Just this time. So, yeah, how are you feeling going into the the tattoo man? I'm so pumped.
00:01:39
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What about the pain? Are you... There it is. I remember. I was in a box in the garage.
00:01:48
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I remember what it felt like the first time. So I'm I'm I think the elbow areas don't work. OK, I was about to say, if you want to hold your arm up, like what's being done Sunday, what's being done? Oh, I'm not sure. We're going to like kind of go. OK. Yeah. Sunday funding. I'm doing a full sleeve. Yes. Yeah. I'm giving him some freedom, creativity wise, because that's how some his artwork is done that I sell on his Instagram. So
Rise of Space-Themed Products
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I'm like,
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Speaker
We're talking about a tattoo, people. Yeah, you know what you're doing. You're the expert. Here's the things I like. And so. Oh, so you haven't like conceptually made the design like like stick figures or whatever. Like I want. Yeah. Yeah. No. There's a couple of things that he's going to have designed that like we're going to do before we actually start. We'll look over it. But for the most part, like there are certain parts like the nebulas and all that that he's going to just kind of freehand and do. So you've seen nothing.
00:02:48
Speaker
No. It's just going to be the witness and then the smoke's just going to go off. I think it sent you his link. Did I send you his stuff? I can't remember to be honest. I'll shoot it to you. It's all space. He knows it's so. Hey, the apparently 2024 is the year of the galaxy and space stuff.
00:03:14
Speaker
I don't know if you guys have been paying attention while you're grocery shopping, aliens, everything is like space team. There's like a Fanta drink. That's space team. There's,
Tattoo Plans and Inspirations
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there's Oreos that are like galaxy Oreos, something. Yeah. I want to see this. Coke did it a couple of years ago. I remember that space tasting like what raspberry or something. I don't know what a space tastes like.
00:03:38
Speaker
I don't know. I don't believe that's what space tastes like. Raspberries. Also with us today on the podcast, you can find him at Brown Berserker on the planet Earth. We have Andrew with us. All right, Andrew, where are you getting your tattoo at?
00:04:10
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Here? Yep. All the way up. All the way up. That's the matching witness tattoos, baby. We should have done matching witness tattoos. Okay. I'm not going to say I wouldn't want the witness on me because I like his design and I like the whole smoke thing. So like, you know, I mean, I guess that could work.
00:04:33
Speaker
The only thing I've thought about doing with destiny was like some type of like The main logo, but like yeah, I don't know destroyed or distorted type of that's an idea Oh like a glitch like a vex type thing or saw a glitch kind of yeah, you can tell it's the destiny logo But it's like it's not clean. It's just like
00:04:52
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Yeah, I don't know. Just kind of. Yeah. So this is what needs to happen. So all three of us get matching witness tattoos. But it's just one. It's just one tattoo. So we have to like stand beside each other, put our arms out so it flows between all of us. I don't know about that. We're not together. Oh, so we have to like. Yeah, no, it's a back tattoo. We have to like human centipede each other. So it just like.
00:05:19
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goes across our backs we just we do it's on both of our forearms but it's not together like this piece and then like my other forearm would be like two to two down
00:05:30
Speaker
You know what I mean? So like what have never, it never matches unless we're all together. It's like, listen, we got to figure out something to do because the season of destiny is like eight months long. So we got to stay out. Yeah. We got to pass the time by this season with just getting destiny tattoos. What if Bungie, what if Bungie said the next expansion is free? If you get any destiny tattoo on your body, would you do it?
00:05:58
Speaker
Yeah, I would get a tattoo, a destiny tattoo regardless. I wouldn't. I'm still going to go to CD keys and buy it for 40 bucks. I can't do that.
00:06:12
Speaker
PlayStationer. Yeah. No, no, uh, CD keys and green man gaming sell console codes too. Wow. Okay. That's new. Yep. Oh, well, we want to welcome everybody to the log on games podcast. This will weekly show in which our hosts discuss a variety of gaming news topics from new games, big announcements, events, and more new episodes upload every Friday on apple podcast, Spotify, wherever you want to listen to your podcast at.
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Yeah Smoothie,
Navigational Reliance on Google Maps
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he does that when it's like right in front of him. You think like after doing it like 200 times it would be like it would just like flow out of his mouth. No even so if my brain doesn't care about something then like for example even when we lived in Greenville but we've lived in Atlanta now for like three years and I still just google maps
00:06:59
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everything. Like, even if I know how to get there, I'll just put it on. Really? I know people that do that. It'll be like, well, you know, it dodges traffic and stuff. So like, even if I'm going like five minutes up the road, I'll just like. Oh, well, from the track traffic perspective, that makes sense. Yeah. Honestly, even if there wasn't traffic, I'd still do it. I OK. Something about it. This is a very weird thing to say. I feel weak if I've done a route so many times and I have to still rely on Google Maps.
00:07:28
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I feel like I'm like, like, come on, man, you're better than this. You know it off my heart. Like, you know, I mean, yeah, and I could do that. And then I miss the street. And then I just like, I just want to put it on and not think I just want to hear. That's fair. At some point, she's going to be like, turn left and be like, that's fair.
Shopping Habits and Store Preferences
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I am not paying attention to where I am on the road. I'm just like driving.
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I use it a lot at a job I used to have as a sales rep for a liquid distributor. So I drove around everywhere, but it gets to the point now where I learned so much of Atlanta because of that where like if someone's visiting and I'm driving through my, Oh, I know how to get there because there's all these weird roads I used to take.
00:08:08
Speaker
That's where I am at now. Yeah. Yeah. I just, there's something about just opening Google maps. It's like, all right, here's four different routes. Okay. I'm like, I want to find this one says 14 minutes, but this one says 12 minutes. They have to go on the highway on this one. Yeah. You know, I just, and then I just pick whatever the best one is. And that's fair. Yeah. Go to town. Even if it's the Walmart, that's like three seconds from, we used to have three seconds from a Kroger. Now we live three seconds from a Walmart. So.
00:08:37
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oh wow the change of scenery i think it's worse i don't like it so what's funny is like i'm originally from the south where these two guys are especially uh andrew too um and like walmart was just everywhere dude since we've moved up here i have to drive 30 minutes just to get to walmart
00:08:55
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It's weird how Walmart was such a staple of my life in the south and now like it's I don't we don't go to it anymore Yeah, it's weird. Yeah, it's so weird. Don't ever go to Walmart now. It's Kroger Target Aldi, but how close is your Walmart?
00:09:10
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Uh, there's a couple of Walmart's. I do like three or four. Yeah. There's one probably within like 10 minutes of me. Oh yeah. I see. Yeah. But there's probably five or six. I got to get on the interstate. It's probably five or six within 15 minutes. Like where we live. Yeah. But my, my, my Alden Kroger right across the street from each other. So it's nice.
00:09:34
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We're Kroger people now. We weren't until we moved right beside one. And now we'll
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00:10:03
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at 5.30, 5.30 on Thursday says normal when we record. So we may do some tests here coming up soon. So if we do, definitely hop in, give us some feedback on audio and looks and all that kind of stuff. Can say hello.
00:10:21
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He just follows that log on games everywhere else. And, uh, that's it. Let's get to the beefy,
Food Preferences and Quality
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beefy boy. Beef. Oh, we're talking about food. Let's go. Oh, yes. Um, beef burrito or chicken burrito. Okay. Like I can only eat one for the rest of my life. I'm going to say beef.
00:10:44
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But yeah, it's hard. It's really hard because it depends. I have been like if it's shredded beef, that's really I have been places where they've like cut beef or not be sort of shredded chicken where they've cut the chicken and it wasn't shredded and it was like chunks of chicken in there. That was a little weird. I'd like it when it's shredded. So it's evenly distributed with the cheese and everything. Beef nachos or chicken nachos? Beef nachos. Beef. Beef. Yeah. Yeah.
00:11:11
Speaker
You want chicken? You like chicken? I'm a chicken guy. Yeah. I actually don't eat a lot of meat, beef, like meat. I eat a lot of chicken for sure. That's good. That's good. You're not supposed to eat a lot of red meat. I mean, I did forever. And then now I just don't. I don't know.
Microsoft's Cross-Platform Strategy
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So explain it.
00:11:32
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It's just something about going to the grocery store and seeing all the meat and just being like, I don't want to like buy it and then prepare it and cook it. See, chicken scares me more than beef, especially like grilling and stuff. And like, you know, you thought you grilled through that chicken and then you cut in between and you're like, oh, you just use a thermometer. Yeah, you got an sensory thermometer. One sixty five Venus. I said it was ready. Oh, my God.
00:12:04
Speaker
All right, Xbox things have happened. I'm going to read from the Verge, which kind of covers the bullet points of what transpired in the last week. But then there's some other things that we can get into if we want to. Okay.
00:12:20
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This is from theverge.com. Microsoft is planning to share details about its plans to bring HiFi Rush and other Xbox exclusives to PS5 and Nintendo Switch consoles according to sources familiar with Microsoft's plans. Details of Microsoft's multi-platform plans have been gradually leaking with The Verge revealing over the last weekend.
00:12:42
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that the upcoming Indiana Jones game is being considered for PS5. Now Microsoft is getting ready to outline the future of Xbox next week after the weekend of leaks and its uncertainty for Xbox fans. Phil Spencer tweeted out
00:12:58
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We're listening and we hear you. We've been planning a business update event for next week, where we look forward to sharing more details with you about our vision for the future of Xbox. Stay tuned. We're told Microsoft was originally planning this business update for later this month, alongside the announcement of HiFi Rush for PS5 and Nintendo Switch. After speculation around HiFi Rush, Starfield, and other Xbox games coming to PS5 intensified over the weekend, Microsoft has responded with the announcement of a business update event for next week.
00:13:29
Speaker
Now, I don't know how you guys have experienced all this Xbox stuff that's happened this week. There's been so much that like it's at the point where it's kind of hard to figure out what is real, what's rumors and what's been like actually reported on from sources. But essentially, like the gist of it all is
00:13:56
Speaker
Xbox is going to put their games on PlayStation and Nintendo one way or another. The things we don't know is if things are going to be timed, if it's going to be day and date, if they're just like, listen, we don't know, we don't care.
00:14:15
Speaker
Also, and I don't really have an article for this. I mean, some of these kind of touch on them, but there's been internal, I would say debates going on for years, apparently on what Xbox should or shouldn't do. And I don't think Microsoft as the company cared a lot because I think we talked about it maybe last year at some point on the podcast.
00:14:40
Speaker
They're like Xbox was like a very low percentage of Microsoft's like the money they make in a year. Yeah. Yeah. They just didn't care. But I think spending 70 billion to get, you know, Activision Blizzard changed that. So I think a lot of what we might see is Microsoft itself being like, all right, well, now that we've spent $70 billion to get Call of Duty, we're going to get our money back.
00:15:05
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quickly. And if that's putting Starfield, and if that's putting all their games on PlayStation 5, then that's what we're going to do kind of thing. So let's just get, Andrew, let's start with you. Just your overall takes what you've seen and what you've heard, what's in your heart.
00:15:23
Speaker
Well, so like I start looking at, you know, how Sony started dipping in on PC, right? And obviously they've seen a lot of success with like God of War, Spider-Man.
00:15:38
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Horizon on PC on Steam. Yeah, so it's like it's a no-brainer, especially if you're wanting to like broaden your demograph But what I like about Microsoft's approach is like not only are we gonna like tap into Sony as well Like we they were dirty in the PC space but like if they can get their crap on Nintendo like that's huge especially if Nintendo ends up launching a new console that can like run all these games and
00:16:03
Speaker
like no-brainer and it's gonna I think shift the way we look at them is like you're saying like a third-party game company instead of just like the
00:16:19
Speaker
the giant that just is Microsoft and like, oh, first party, first party on Xbox. No, no, no, no, no. It's kind of like I kind of look at it like like Sega. And I know Sega doesn't make consoles, but they're everywhere. They did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it just it just makes sense to like, well, we don't want anybody like alienated from playing this game. Let's just put it out everywhere.
Sony's Stronghold vs. Xbox Strategies
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Like that's a no brainer. And I've always felt that like Sony was the company that was like, no, no, no, no, no. You can only play it on our console. No, no, no, no, no.
00:16:48
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But I had to give them props for the PC stuff. Awesome. Because like, you know, like Carlos brings up like we're waiting on that goes to Sashima, you know, we're holding out hoping that stuff ends up coming. So I mean, honestly, kudos to Microsoft for what they're doing. And if I actually hope it happens, to be honest. Carlos.
00:17:08
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Give it to me. Uh, I say this from like a couple of different angles. Like one angle is like this. Nothing screams like we need to fix things more than suddenly making this decision.
00:17:23
Speaker
Because if you remember, we had this discussion a couple of episodes ago where they acquired all of these studios and are trying to buy out all these game companies. But when the game of the year wars come around, what ratio did they have compared to the others? And they were struggling.
00:17:43
Speaker
game pass you know was costing them a lot of money and so you know this is like in a way it kind of does feel like a Hail Mary to kind of help their game sector but at the same time it's really cool I think not only for these big three companies but I think it's really cool for game dev studios now because
00:18:13
Speaker
If your partner, if Sony bought out your company and the things are going fine for a while, then they go downhill and you ax your deal or whatever, or they sell it off, you have a chance to go with
00:18:32
Speaker
Microsoft and still have your game on all three platforms. So that's interesting. I think it's a good move. And it's one of those things where the walls between consoles have been coming down over the last several years. And I was telling one of my buddies, this is something I kind of like, I was like, this is going to be the way,
00:18:57
Speaker
It would be the right way that I always, you know, and Sony was always like, no, no, you know, you got it. And they still kind of are. But yeah, I think eventually it's not going to matter anymore. And I think so. For the Xbox side, I agree like. You should put your games everywhere.
00:19:24
Speaker
Uh, because you've, I mean, when Phil Spencer was on the kind of funny podcast, like he had just admitted like, or the X cast or whatever, like he admitted like, there is no console war because we lost console war. Like we were in third place. And then he said a bunch of crap that we talked about. I don't agree with, but, um,
00:19:47
Speaker
I think, for me, I think this is a thing that Microsoft now that they've invested an ungodly amount of money and wants to do where it's just like, share will still make consoles and there's like, we don't know exactly what the heck is happening other than there definitely is at least some Xbox games that will be on PlayStation. That's going to happen.
00:20:11
Speaker
At what rate is it going to be? Is it going to be, and this is why we saw, uh, was, we saw blade at the game awards, which is Bethesda. And there was like, I didn't say X-Box exclusive. And we talked about it then where it's like, you put it on there. You put the game pass logo on there if it's not coming anywhere else. So.
00:20:34
Speaker
It's interesting on, are these going to be timed exclusives, Indiana Jones? Like, are they going to announce Starfield? Oh yeah, Starfield's coming out for PlayStation this fall, you know? And when Indiana Jones comes out later in 2024, it won't be out on PS5 until summer of next year, whatever. Is it going to be timed? Is it going to be day and date? So it could be a mixture of both. Are you going to make another console? Because there's still...
00:21:03
Speaker
There's still the way to make money and especially with game pass up being Call of Duty is $70 on PlayStation. But if you have game passes still coming over there, Indiana Jones is $70 game, but if you have game pass and the easiest way to get game pass is just buy an Xbox console, you know, and then you can just play or PC game pass or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're still like gaining some traction.
00:21:30
Speaker
If that's the case, because there's only so many $70 games, somebody's going to buy it before they're like, I should just get game pass already. Even if it's like a series S or you buy the Samsung TV that you can cloud stream or if they come out with like a fire stick thing or whatever. Yeah. Yeah.
00:21:49
Speaker
I'm not an Xbox, there's a lot of Xbox people that are disgruntled. I don't know if you guys have seen. There's a lot of load Xbox fans out there that are like, how could you do this to us? Betrayal. Betrayal. So I'm upset and in different ways because if Xbox games start coming to PlayStation, we're going to get
00:22:13
Speaker
launch PlayStation 3 Sony back, I'm pretty sure. When they were like, we don't have competition. What are you talking about? We can have our console be $600 in 2006 or whenever that thing was launched. Yeah. And just be like, Oh, God, why? And
00:22:34
Speaker
That's the part that scares me out of all this, is if there's less competition for Sony, then PS6 could be $800, you know what I mean? And it's just like, oh, and there's nothing anybody can do to stop it unless somebody decides to come into the console to give PlayStation some competition. Because they haven't really had any, to be honest with you, since Xbox One didn't do anything. That's why they haven't shared their,
00:23:01
Speaker
Xbox hasn't shared their console. We still don't know how many Xbox ones Microsoft sold because they didn't tell us because it's not very much. It's weird. Is that not a public number you can find? That's true. So there's other companies that will say like how many games they sold on Xbox and you can kind of like do some math to guesstimate exactly how many series or Xbox ones or one X's were sold.
00:23:27
Speaker
And then I think they started sharing, but they don't share consoles, like numbers, like not like Sony does where it's like every three months we're like, oh, now we've sold 60 million or whatever. So that's the part
Future of Xbox Console Production
00:23:42
Speaker
that scares me out of all of this. It's just PlayStation not having the competition anymore. I mean, not the Xbox was that competitive to begin with, but at least it was somebody that was there that, and I tweeted this out.
00:23:57
Speaker
It was rumored, we'll never know for sure, somebody does somewhere, that the PS5 was gonna be $500 for the discless one and $600 for the disc one. And then Xbox's prices leaked out and then Xbox came out and were like, our price is leaked out, here's what they are. And it was $500 for the Series X and $300 or $350 or whatever it was for the Series S.
00:24:23
Speaker
And then Sony came out with theirs, supposedly price dropping theirs $100 to be so that they didn't have a console that was $100 more than the Series X. So there's been at least somebody there to pull a little bit on Sony. And I don't really count Nintendo because they're just kind of out doing their own thing and they don't care about anybody. No one cares about that. They're just going to do their thing and everybody's going to buy whatever they come out with.
00:24:50
Speaker
Between that and like the supply issues they were having were like with the scalpers to the point where like Walmart was selling PS5 for like $700 and like why? Like this is ridiculous. Yeah, and the prices came back down, but it's just like It's crazy for someone for someone like myself who
00:25:17
Speaker
90% of what I play is PlayStation. I have a Series X.
00:25:22
Speaker
and upload, like I've been playing pal world like crazy. Every once in a while, there's something that's only on Xbox and I'm like, all right, this is why I have it. Or there's something like, like when Alan Wake 2 came out, I went on Digital Foundry where they like do side by sides or whatever. And it's like, okay, well it runs slightly better on Series X, so I'm gonna buy it over there kind of thing. But for the most part, it was just like, I'm just on PlayStation. So if you're telling me that, and there's even other reports and articles that are like,
00:25:51
Speaker
Gears of War and Halo, like everything's coming to PlayStation. They're just at the point where it's like... And that's where the confusion lies with me, which I'm interested for next week. Is everything coming to PlayStation? There's no way that they're going to put Halo. If they put Halo on PlayStation, like they really have just given up at that point. Yeah, that's...
00:26:15
Speaker
That's where the curiosity is where there's definitely been internal conflict where Microsoft, this is just pure speculation, but I think like the Phil Spencer's and people at the world were like, listen, we bought all those people. We're so close to being able to steal some people away from PlayStation and have people come over here, especially if Call of Duty is like on Game Pass day one. Like let us run with this a little bit. And then Microsoft's like,
00:26:44
Speaker
how many Call of Duties have to be sold for us to make back $70 billion? That's like 20 years worth of Call of Duties that need to happen for us to make our money back. So we're Microsoft and we're just going to put our stuff everywhere and make an ungodly amount of money. Plus, most gamers are going to love that because now they don't
00:27:09
Speaker
have to buy Xboxes, which let's be honest, not very many people are doing anyway, not compared to PlayStation. I don't know what the Xbox one to PS4 ratio was. But I think the last thing that came out on this generation was like five to one or something like that, where every five PS fives is one Xbox. Do you think
00:27:30
Speaker
Microsoft is going to go the way of Sega and phase out consoles because the thing is like, you know, not everyone, even though like today, there's a lot more kids out there that have gaming computers compared to what we had growing up.
00:27:50
Speaker
Yeah, I still feel like there are people that depend on the Xbox as a cheaper console to buy. So like it's like at what how much of that is like what percentage of that is their player base and how much would they lose if they were like, hey, we're just not making money off these consoles. We're just going to go straight to PC and all these and PlayStation and Nintendo Switch.
00:28:15
Speaker
My
Console Market New Entrants
00:28:16
Speaker
theory would be they get rid of physical media altogether and they're still releasing a console or I'll call it a media box that by bare minimum can play. If you remember the leaks that came out a couple months ago where the controller with the pants and then they had the completely digital Series X that was leaked out. It was supposed to happen.
00:28:40
Speaker
Imagine like we go from like the big four to just two, which is just Nintendo versus Sony. Like that would be insane. That would be insane because. Wait, listen, we we know. What happened, as I said, when the PS PS3 was launched and announced and everything, that's only sucked. It just sucked hard. There was no games and it had sucked.
00:29:06
Speaker
And they, I mean, $600 in 2024 is a lot for a console. Just to think that that was like whatever year it was, 2005, six, three, something, I don't know. So I can look it up, let's see. Well, the lack of games also, apparently it was hard to develop for, apparently. Yeah, they had like that weird cell processor thing that people hated. November 11th, 2006 in Japan and November 17th, 2006.
00:29:33
Speaker
To think that almost 20 years ago, they came out with a console for $600. It's absurd. It's absolutely absurd. Is it their lease selling console excluding PS5? I don't think so because the thing was halfway through the generation, they were like, oh, we're not invincible. Everybody's on Xbox.
00:29:55
Speaker
Partly that was because of Halo, Halo 3 and Gears of War and Fallout and all those games that were like, or Mass Effect, all those games that were Xbox exclusives at that time. But then we got the Sony that we kind of have now, which is like, all right, we're not going to take being number one for granted anymore. And that's when they came out with Uncharted 1.
00:30:17
Speaker
And they ended up by the end, literally by the very end of that cycle, they ended up barely outselling 360, which is kind of incredible. But that console cycle also lasted like eight years or something ridiculous. And then from then on, it's been, you know, the last of us was like the last big game to come out for PS3.
00:30:39
Speaker
And then all of PS4 happened and now PS5. So it's like, they haven't really looked back since they screwed up so badly, which is good. But if they don't have anybody that's going to compete with them, then that's what scares me the most. The big crossover I'm waiting for is Game Pass on Switch 2 or whatever that is. Yeah. That'll be huge when slash if that happens. And that's why I'm interested in what exactly is happening. Yeah.
00:31:08
Speaker
But no matter what, to answer what Carlos said a little bit ago, even if it's just the littlest bit, that's just the first domino. If they're like, some of our games are coming to PlayStation a year after release. Okay, that's where it starts. But when Starfield comes out on PlayStation in the fall and it sells a bajillion copies more than it did on Xbox,
00:31:34
Speaker
And they're like, Oh, screw this. At some point, it may be two years and maybe five years down the line. I would assume just everything is day and date. And if they want to keep game pass exclusive to Xbox and like still sell consoles, then great. But I would assume that the big higher ups at Microsoft are like, we do nothing but lose money on consoles. So let's just not do consoles and let's just put game pass everywhere and just make
00:32:02
Speaker
That's the tools of money. Then I could I could very well see that for sure. So on the Xbox side of stuff and on me, it's great if I could sell my Sirius X right now, I'd be doing it. I'll take I'll take my three hundred dollars or whatever somebody else. I guess that's where I'm like glad I got sucked into the master race. And I was the person where every generation I had both consoles, Sony and Microsoft and
00:32:27
Speaker
I don't know, I don't know what happened at what point where I was just like, I can't, I can't do this. XBox one happened. That's what happens. XBox one. Um, so what's funny is like, like, yeah, that is the last one I have. And like, couldn't tell you the last time I touched it. I actually get tired of booting it up because of how many updates I have to go through every single time I boot it up. It drives me insane. So let me ask, let me pose a question to you fine folks.
00:32:57
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Who, if anybody company wise sees, let's just say for the sake of the argument, yeah, it looks like Xbox either now or eventually is going to just pull a Sega and just be like, listen, we just make the games now. Okay. Call of duty. We'll make our money back quicker if we just put everything everywhere. Is there somebody that could come into the console market and actually like
00:33:26
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do something. Like fill the hole that Microsoft left. Like that vacuum. Yeah. It's called a Dreamcast too. Yeah. It's crazy to think, but I could see Apple. Yeah. They have the money too.
00:33:45
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They're stepping into the AR VR world now. And it's crazy to see just people out in public walking around wearing these things. But, you know, it's it's already had an impact because it's something they wait so long. And it's been rumored. You know, there's always rumors about it. I'm pretty sure they've been sitting back and kind of just like looking at things and probably thinking. They definitely have some form of console like thing that's just like
00:34:15
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It's waiting. It may never see the light of day, but they're like, just in case. Well, I think at their, I can't remember if they're, what do they call them? They're, um, the Apple, uh, key blah, blah, blah, where they talk about their notes. Yeah. Like Kojima was at the last one and like, that's when they announced like desk stranding on like, uh, iPad and like iPhone and stuff like that.
00:34:37
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So I mean, like you're saying they're they're capable and they've got the money. It's just I think they're being smart and they're just watching how things are playing out and like how they they're waiting for like the moment of attack, I think. Yeah. That's what Apple does. They always they always they're always late to everything.
00:34:55
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But when they come into that market, they're coming in like hard, they're coming in in style, they're coming in their way. And it's, you know, it's smart. Growing up as an Android guy, hated it. And you know, I use both Android, iPhone, but like I respect
00:35:14
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why they wait because they don't want to release something flawed. Everything they do, it's with intent and it's to show, hey, we didn't just throw stuff together. This is engineered. There's precision. What about Valve?
00:35:38
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I don't, they're not, I don't see Valve, you know, they did experiment with the Steam box. We're one dock away from them being another sweatshirt. No, I was literally going to say, I feel like the Steam Deck is that console and the next iteration would be docked and Bluetooth controllers and all that crap. Yeah, it's already happening, I think.
00:35:59
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It's still going to, I think they're going to stay in the handheld market. They, you know, the Steam Deck 2 is certainly going to happen. But they've tried to experiment with the Steam box. Yeah. And then there was the Steam Link, which was just like a relay, essentially. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:36:23
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Yeah, and then the Steam Deck. And the Steam Deck is really well done, but, you know, they're a PC gaming Ford company. So to release a console that runs, I mean,
00:36:40
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I don't know. Like you're saying, it would just be like a docked version, a thing, a box you plug in that essentially runs like a steam deck. But it's not something that they can just put on, you know, they're going to make games and put it on Sony and put it on. Yeah. Nintendo would be kind of their own thing. I don't think it'd be enough to disrupt the console market, though. Yeah, they would have to double down on just being like,
00:37:07
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or we're going to make games again. Like if they were to come over the console. I'm sorry. Yeah. In three years. Oh, God. It'd be like that was good. We have. We're going to make games again. We're going to make games again. But if they came up with a console, they're like great again. The launch day, we have Half Life 3 and and the new Left 4 Dead and they're exclusive to our Steam box thing.
00:37:37
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That would do something. It would, it would. But it's just that it's like, do they want to do that? Do they like want to go down that road? No, I mean, they could just make the games. Yeah. My only other person would be Epic. That would even attempt something like that. We just, I don't have it on the story, but Disney just invested $1.5 billion into Epic.
00:38:02
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And the quote from Bob Iger was something along the lines of we looked at the numbers and young people are consuming
00:38:16
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video games as much as they're consuming entertainment and music combined or something like that or like tv and something we've just realized that i know i feel like it's always been yeah and so it's like well duh you idiot and then uh
00:38:34
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They invest all that money into Epic and like if they're not Epic would never make like Fortnite exclusive, but whatever like their next big game would be like from the makers of Fortnite comes this and we're launching a console and stuff like that. But other than that, I have no idea. I think I don't think Google is going to do it again because Stadia was so awful. Absolutely not. We're not we're not going back to the space. That's like that was so obvious to
00:39:01
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It's just anything Google makes never lasts. There's a website dedicated
Xbox's Strategy Shift and Loyalty
00:39:08
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to the graveyard of all their products they've killed. Hey, Pixel's so strong, man. For now. But remember, Pixel was Nexus. Rest in peace, Nexus phones. Rip. Yeah, I don't know. I think it would take catastrophe as well. Like, it would take Sony going back to being ridiculous.
00:39:31
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to force somebody to come in. Because I don't think anybody wants to look at PlayStation 5 right now and be like, yeah, let's compete against PS6. We can do it. But if it was like PlayStation fans hate this and their consoles are now $700 and they move their game prices to be $80 or $90 or whatever. And they just don't seem to care anymore because they're just raking in money.
00:40:00
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then maybe someone like an apple could be like, oh, we could come in there and take a piece of that. Yeah. What if Sony buys a valve and then all the things on the steam run on PS5? I don't see that ever happening. Now we've won the console for a baby.
00:40:26
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I'm interested to see what they announced. I think the initial announcement is not going to be as dire as what people on Twitter might have you believe. I think it'll be like, yeah, here's like Hi-Fi Rush, see if Thieves, it's coming over to PlayStation and Nintendo in the next couple months or whatever. Starfield's coming to PlayStation. I don't know if they'll announce that there, but like, they may be like, yeah, Indiana Jones is going to be on PlayStation six months after or something like that.
00:40:53
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I think that's probably what more of the announcement we'll get, but if that's the start, I don't think it'll be very long until everything's over there. The big starfield redemption will be when starfield is on PS5 and it runs at 60 frames per second.
00:41:09
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That's it. Yeah, that's it. I mean, one of these games, even if it's a timed exclusivity thing, like if it's Indiana Jones or Starfield or whatever, when it actually hits PlayStation and Microsoft gets their reports and they're like, we just made a lot of more money than we then what Spencer told us. Yeah. And I agree with you that it's probably going to be like, oh, wow, we're making we sold more copies on there than we have on our own platform.
00:41:36
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Like console wise, PC I think still is going to be pretty good. Yeah. Better off than than Xbox.
00:41:47
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LBS man, I'll tell you what. Can you see it like freaking Master Chief PS6 edition? Collectors edition if they come out if that happens my mind will blow to the scalpers bro on those types of things those Yeah, can you imagine that like sealed in a box throw it somewhere 20 years later? That thing's gonna be dude like Gears of War side plates for the ps5 like oh
00:42:14
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There's also the. That'd be so trippy, dude. There's the theory that the reason that we don't really know. Or that there's just not a lot coming out for PlayStation this year at all. It's like Stellar Blade and Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth, but there's no first party like actual first party like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. PlayStation games for the first time in forever. Maybe they've been working, maybe they knew this was coming.
00:42:42
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Maybe like, Oh, listen, we're going to get starfield and halo and gears for and see if thieves and all these games. So you never know. They say, let's take a break guys. Let's, uh, everyone just take, you know, relax. Wouldn't that be it though? Like halo infinite comes to PlayStation and like blows up and like all of a sudden hail and it's like the big, next big hotness.
00:42:59
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Yeah. And then and then Sony buys the rights to Halo and then Master Chief becomes the most insane. They redeem Halo. Sony redeems Halo. God, dude, I'd be insane. What a world that would be. That'd be a headline right there, man. They buy the rights to make Halo games and they give it to Bungie, you know, and they force Bungie to make it in their game. Oh my God, we felt full circle.
00:43:27
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Go! Maybe this is like the secret plan that's been going on the whole time to get like to go all the way around to get like Halo back in the Bungie's hands. Sony hits the point where they're like, all right, listen, we're running Bungie now. Remember this podcast right here. We don't like what Bungie has been doing. So we're taking control. And we also bought Halo. Congratulations, Bungie.
00:43:53
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Then then we will get some good Halo movies. We will get an actual Halo show, which by the way, I mean, today we got an uncharted movie today. Episode one of Halo season two. That's what I've heard. Yeah. Yes. I'm not. I don't care. Bro, I love Halo. I just can't. I can't bring myself to.
00:44:17
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You just have to you have to you have to attack it from a different angle. To me, this is like a comedy. It's entertainment. I was going to say you have to look at it as a comedy. Yeah, I can't take it serious as a Halo show because that's not that's not Halo to me. This is like a play or just like a bad interpretation like that. So it's a different universe. Yeah. Somehow, somehow, somewhere in a different universe, they made this show and it bled over to our universe and now we have it. Yeah.
00:44:46
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It's going to be banging some aliens, you know what I mean?
00:44:52
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from the team behind Bridgerton comes. I have some other articles, but they all pretty much did the same thing. One was Indiana Jones. I mean, the thing is like there's been, there's been rumors, but there's been specific outlets, like a verge, like a game spot, like a VGC that are like credible people that are reporting that like, listen, we can't tell you who,
00:45:20
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But these people said Starfield's coming to PlayStation. These people said, Indiana Jones is coming to PlayStation. These people said Halo and Gears are coming to PlayStation. So it's like, how much, even if they just give us a hint of whatever this is going to be next week, I think then it's pretty much set in stone that yeah. I mean, it's like the summer or the end of the year, but like these games are coming over.
00:45:42
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And like, why would you want to play Indiana Jones on like Xbox when you can feel the whip and the haptics of the PS5 controller? Oh, yeah. When it rains, you know, you can feel it rain. It makes that like whip sound out of the controller, too. Shoot, bro. They just updated the speakers and the microphone, too, and the controller. Oh, really? It's all for this Indiana Jones whip. BDSM, boy. Oh, well, I mean,
00:46:13
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Sorry Xbox people, I guess. There's a lot of Xbox fanboys that are, you're like, I can't believe they would do this to us from selling my console. Like it's a sporting team and like your favorite player leaves and you just like are in their jersey. Yeah, like call me dumb. How does it affect them? They can still play on their console. They can still play with the same friends on their console. What's the problem? The problem is they pledged allegiance to Xbox. But they still can.
00:46:42
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and it's different now. I mean, imagine if the tables were turned and PlayStation came out and they're like, listen, we're putting the last of those part two on Xbox. Like, there's some PlayStation people that freak out, freaking out. I don't want to play Halo with those any stick controller people. I mean, for the rest of us, it's great. I think the right move is what we said. It's like an Idi and Audi belly button, you know what I'm saying?
00:47:09
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The innie stick. I'm looking at my Xbox controller right now and I'm like, that's the correct layout, dude. My, uh, in my opinion, that's the correct layout. It feels great. Yeah. It's, it's, it feels natural to for your thumb placement.
00:47:24
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It's not under warranty anymore, unfortunately, but this will be the third pro controller. I started getting stick drift. Are you serious? I started playing the whole world and my guys started moving up and I was like, don't do this. I've had this controller for like seven years. Right there. Seven years. I am. I am now just starting to get a little bit of controller drift upwards, but like I can, I'll fix that myself. No problem. But this controller dude has been like a tank.
00:47:51
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And that's what, $60 versus $200, right? Well, actually, they had a thing one week where you could go to a GameStop and trade in a controller and get pretty much get like a controller half off. So I got this for 30 bucks.
00:48:08
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And I traded in a broken Xbox controller. They didn't care to just like trade it in. We just want it. And yeah, this thing, I prefer this. And this is the one that has the dongle. It's not a Bluetooth one because like one of our buddies has said nothing but problems with the Bluetooth on his. So I'm like, I don't want a new controller. Yeah, I mean,
00:48:34
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I want them to next week just say, listen, Halo Infinite is on PlayStation today. That's what we want. Let's do it. I have multiple friends that have series S's only for Sea of Thieves. They don't play anything else but Sea of Thieves. If they come out and they're like, Sea of Thieves is gone then. Well, Series S is like super cheap, right? Yeah, you can find them for Sea of Thieves too. I think, yeah, I think retail is like 200, but you can find them cheap. God, that is so cheap.
00:49:01
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Um, it'll be interesting. And it does what it needs to do for that cheap man. What do you guys, uh, what do you guys think of this Indiana Jones game? Like the trailer, it looks, the trailer looks pretty good. I ain't touching it. I'll watch a playthrough though. For me, just be around. It's so weird. Go ahead. For games like this, uh, when I think like, Oh, this is going to be a,
00:49:28
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narrative, linear, story, spectacular. I'm always comparing it to like The Last of Us and Uncharted. And that's a problem with me. It's my problem. It's not a real life problem. When I saw it, I was like, oh, this doesn't look nearly as good as Last of Us does. Listen, I'm telling you right now, if it said Naughty Dog at the end of it, I'd play it.
00:49:50
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I think it's an interesting choice to make a game for. And it almost kind of gives me flashbacks to like King Kong for the Xbox 360.
00:50:03
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Bro, I got that launch day. I did too. Yeah, I liked it. It was like the most advanced looking, like the graphics were mind-blowing. Dude, it blew my mind. I was like, this is on an Xbox 360. Yeah. What? It's the Wolfenstein team, whatever that's making it. That's what it looked like to me. I was like, this looks like Wolfenstein, but it's just Indiana Jones. Yeah, I mean, which isn't a bad thing. Yeah.
00:50:30
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Wolfenstein is also a really bloody game, right? Violent game. Yeah, per se. They don't make games unless you can kill Nazis, which is why Nazis are in Indiana Jones. So like this is definitely them like cleaning up, right? You know, I think it'll be fine. I mean, it looks it's not it doesn't look as.
00:50:52
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Like I wanted it to, but I think it'll still be fun. It's interesting just like how hard it's being marketed and just like, you know, like, hey, this is the big thing we're doing. This is what we've been working on because like, you know, we have a game. Yeah. And it's like, OK, odd choice. But yeah, I mean, let's see how that turns out. My calculator brain is going to go into like, OK,
00:51:20
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Now the games, if games are coming to PlayStation, like if Indiana Jones is coming to PS five day one, how much money do I spend a year on game pass? Is it, and for what, like if I just take the last 365 days, I think, I think pal world's the only game that isn't available on PlayStation that I played a lot. Mm-hmm.
00:51:46
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Before that, I know that Back 4 Blood came out a year, a half and ago, whenever it was. It came on Game Pass, so I played that a lot. And there are games that I played on Game Pass. The only reason I played them is because they were on Game Pass. The only reason I tried them out was because I didn't have to pay any extra money. Yeah, yeah, for sure. So it's like... Is Remnant 2 Xbox PC exclusive?
00:52:12
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I know Remnant 2 is on Game Pass now, but it wasn't at launch. But it's not on PlayStation 5. I think it is. Remnant 2 is. It's on everything except like Switch. And so it's just interesting because it's like, yeah, I think if I'm buying two $70 games on PlayStation, that would be on Game Pass.
00:52:37
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Game Pass. It's about the same price as it's going to be for Game Pass for a year. So it's like, is there, are they going to do enough to make Game Pass worth it? Wait, wait, wait, wait. So you're talking about two games. Okay. I was trying to do the math in my head. I was trying to figure out how much game, because it's like 15 a month, right? So 15 times 12, right? That is, if it's not getting a price, like $180. Jeez. I think I'm still paying $10.
00:53:05
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For Game Pass? I think PC Game Pass is $10. Okay. Xbox, because with Xbox you have to get gold and Game Pass or Game Pass Ultimate is $15 a month. But there's nothing that the PC is missing out on and it's cheaper, right? Holy crap. It's just like you have to have Xbox Live Gold to play online games. Yeah, that's right. Plus to play online. That's awesome. So that's where it's just like, okay, well,
00:53:34
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I'm two $70 games and a $40 game. Away from it, because like Hellblade, I think they said was like 50 or something like that, 50 or 60. I thought it was a $40 game, but like if I'm going to buy two and this is the fact that once the last time Xbox came out with.
00:53:55
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two or three games a year, full games that I wanted personally to buy. Ooh, I forgot about Persona. Did you start playing that? I haven't downloaded. I'm going to beat Final Fantasy 16 before I start, but I'm excited. Yeah, like I haven't touched it yet. Yeah, that's I forgot about that. Dang. So that'll be one that's. That's that's not is that even on PlayStation at all?
00:54:22
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Uh, I think so. It's on, I mean, it's on PC too. I think it's on everything. I think, I think. It's called reloaded, isn't it? Yeah, it's on PlayStation. Okay. So I don't know. It's a weird time. Like we said, Sega did this when it was just Sega versus Nintendo forever, but then
00:54:49
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Sega's just slowly drifted away out of the console space. So maybe this might, might just be the beginning of what's with that same thing, just with Xbox. So great for gamers. Unless you're just a die hard Xbox person. Which apparently there are because there's just some really angry people out there. So ridiculous. But then also could in hindsight be bad for gamers, especially if you're a hardcore PlayStation fan. Cause if PlayStation starts getting like they would have in the past,
00:55:19
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could be bad news bears. I mean, it's also a loss for people who can't afford PCs either that, you know, need like the cheapest Xbox. I mean, there's, there's a, I would say the majority of people that buy a console, it's one or the other. It's just like what they do, like listen. Yeah. And I'm pretty sure one console. Yeah. And so. That's it. Yeah. I would say a huge percentage of your consoles probably are like the cheaper ones.
00:55:48
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Yeah, I would agree. There's probably way more serious assets sold than serious exits, just simply because it's super cheap. And I think like when you buy one, you get like three months of game pass. So maybe they're not doing that anymore, but it'll be interesting to see. We will have more information next week for show when whatever this thing is happening happens. And who knows? I may not have an Xbox next week. You know, I might sell mine while the iron's hot.
00:56:19
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Yeah, get in on that early before the prices start coming down. Any final thoughts before we end this out? No, I'm gaming again. Oh. I'm on the I'm on the rebirth hype train, so I've restarted a remake. OK, nice. Nice. The cool thing, though, is I played it when it first came out. So that's what was that 2021?
00:56:48
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So I so what I'm trying to say is I played it on a PS4 Pro and now I'm playing it on PS5 and it looks like so good. Oh, I'm sure so good saga. I've been moving so I haven't been able to play hardly anything. I try to play pal world when I can and then I'll get a couple games of overwatch in here.
00:57:13
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I'm playing Cyberpunk again, trying to get to that Liberty City DLC. It's been refreshing and still playing Dusty. I just put a build together today with Polaris. Nice. Better hope that they don't change that build before, you know, we actually need it again.
00:57:32
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Well, this week is a double nightfall reward. So I'm gonna nice try to Run might try to go complete my conquer seal this season. There's so much time So like I could be ridiculous not to
00:57:47
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So let me let me ask you a question about your cyberpunk thing. So you've already beaten the game. So wouldn't that give you access to the DLC right off the bat? It is a story point that happens. So it's it's kind of like you play the game. Like I now like I beat the more to start over.
00:58:05
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No, no, you're not. I could continue from the save that I beat the game with and then play Liberty City. But I want to I've I already had like started a fresh save. Gotcha. And then when I started back again, I'm like, well, let me just do just another. I'm just going to start from scratch all over again. And so that's what I've been doing.
00:58:25
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Yeah, I was curious because like obviously that's the same approach with me in Final Fantasy is like even when say like a new Star Wars movie was to come out, I would rewatch all of them just to get back into that feel and world and everything. So I totally get that. I was just curious if you could just jump into the deal. Yeah, you could as long as you get to that point within the game. So if you've already beaten the game when it came out, then you can just play it. OK. Word. Yeah. Word. Well.
00:58:52
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