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Speaker: Good evening, Mike. How are you doing? Good evening, Ash. I am very well. Thank you. How about yourself? Yeah, I'm good. I'm good. So for this episode, this is our monthly paranormal roundtable with me shooting paranormal.
Speaker: uh mike from the pada mike youtube and facebook yeah do you have to say it like a scouser pada mike pada mike i was pop mckayla from the uh pan overall what podcast you do it so well it's like you you're from near the area yeah i'm a fake mank i mean i i saw someone recently where they were saying warrington it doesn't know whether it's liverpool or manchester and i was like hmm i know someone from warrington
Speaker: Yeah, kind of. Turns out which harbour won't and if I'm like the north, it's like Liverpool. If you're like the east, it's like Manchester. Manchester. Just to emphasize Manchester. Do you have to do the accent for whichever part of the country you're talking about? Yeah, Liverpool or Manchester.
Speaker: Brilliant. How have you been? It's been effing forever since we've done one of these, all spoken to each other, dude. Yeah, no, it does seem like that. Michaela will be joining us very shortly. She's stuffing her face with chips. I was going to say, in typical Northern fashion, she's just having a tea. A good chip, eh? Yeah. Sure, she loves telling everyone that she's having her.
Speaker: having some chips yeah no uh no babbies ed this time or whatever it was
Speaker: Good evening, Nick. Good seeing Nick. Doug has watched you for a little while. Cheers for... Hey, Nick. Hope you're well, David. Dropping by. Ever present, Nick. So that's good to see. So yeah, just while we sort of wait for a few more people to come in, put any questions, whatever, throughout the live in the chat, we'll get to them. Please share the page, share the video, whatever. Give us a like. Say hello so we know you're listening. Got a few topics we talk about.
Speaker: We do a monthly roundtable where we talk about different topics, so what's been happening. So today, it's going to just be like a normal powered roundtable, just we are recording it live so we can have some interaction and questions from listeners as well. So we're going to be talking about some panel equipment, what we use, what we think is best.
Speaker: different ideas around that. They're going to take a trip to the spooky Canik chase. We spoke about on the podcast before, but many different stories of things going on and experiences that we personally had or I have there. It's always good to revisit the chase as it is.
Speaker: No sign of Bradley Walsh on that one either. Yeah, better than that Chase. Yeah. And then we will talk about some stuff that we've got coming up, some investigations and work coming up that we're doing. Hello Elaine. Hello Elaine. Hello. Hello. Welcome along. Cheers for checking us out.
Speaker: Oh, that's much better. You can see much more of us now. We don't look like too giant. Yeah. Zoom into the screen. Absolutely. You can see all the weird shit in my room set up for the whole YouTube studio sort of thing as well. That's a UFO pillow in the, uh, I thought you'd appreciate that in the background. Yeah. Just
Speaker: When you prepare everything and then nothing's there. Yeah. So as Ash says, we're going to discuss a couple of topics tonight. If you guys have any questions whatsoever at any point, pop them in the chat. I've got the live monitoring the chat as well, just in case other people don't see it. But we're more than willing to answer any questions.
Speaker: that you have about the paranormal or about us or anything really. Valentine's Day is coming up. We might be able to give you some relationship advice. So. That's also on pancake day tomorrow. Tomorrow is it? I'm probably better at the pancake making advice.
Speaker: flower of water is not difficult isn't it I imagine that a relationship is a bit more complex than flower of water you just get a bottle you pop me off in it shake it yeah yeah you just squirt it in and you're good to go yeah which could have double up his relationship advice as well anyway
Speaker: It's a paranormal equipment, Ash. Let's go. Yes. Yeah. What have you got? So I have pretty basic stuff. A couple of what you'd call a K2 meter. Pretty basic. I was playing with it.
Speaker: Just a Monday evening activity for Ashes just to play with. It's okay to meet. One of my favorite things to have is just a voice recorder and just having that on to even capture any EVPs. I've got which I've not used, got these as a Christmas present. 4 ,000 watts.
Speaker: Okay cool cool. That was quite a bit of thinking about them. No use before I've never had a chance to try them out. So we're looking forward to using them. Again basic stuff like a video camera, night vision camera makes you got a good infrared light on there. Absolutely. Because otherwise you won't capture anything. I remember when I got my first IR camera for the
Speaker: for the YouTube channel. And I had a really crappy eye. In fact, I don't think I had an eye. I was trying to rely on the one in the camera and it just doesn't emit enough light. It doesn't bounce off anything. So it looks like you're filming everything in a tunnel sort of thing. Yeah, definitely. Oh, Michaela is here. Excellent. Let's get her opinions on paranormal shit. How are your chips, Michaela? Yeah. You are muted, Michaela.
Speaker: I assume you mean you had to put makeup on. Might be able to put it on your headset. Yeah. Dowsing rods, yeah. I've got a weird relationship with dowsing rods because although I'm kind of quite... Can you hear me now? Yes. Yes. It was. It's my big sausage fingers that oppressed it before I went home.
Speaker: um dowsing rods although where they're a um practical method and i'm kind of against practical methods on the whole because of everything we've discussed for idiomotor effects subconscious influencing we've had some very odd things happen with dowsing rods that are like so yes or no answer but we've still had some some odd things happen with
Speaker: OK. Is you get him out? I don't know. I've realised that I haven't got the same background as I normally have, so therefore you can see my wash in. So I do apologise to everybody for that. That's all right. I've already explained all my weird YouTube. Well, at least yours is interesting. My YouTube shit on the table. General household crap. That's fine. Well, I still got Christmas decorations up. Mate, what? You know, it's unlucky.
Speaker: It's not even me, it's James. I have nothing to do with it, I have nothing to do with it. Is he a big fan of Christmas and just doesn't want to take it down? I don't know, just sort of wanting to buy something for you, have that, buy that really whatever it is and stick it up and feel what you want. As we're talking about a thousand words, I thought I'd just show mine just in case you want to show what we were talking about.
Speaker: They're basically two metal sticks and I used to find water allegedly and like looking for water somewhere they will Lead you to water and when they cross over and that means in their water something like that. That's like the apparent original use but you also use them to Communicate with the dead allegedly. I think yeah, I think in a lot of instances whatever I've used them. It's it's like
Speaker: tapping where you sort of define crossed is yes no is open before you start the session and then go from there yeah i'd say i don't necessarily believe in them but we've had some very weird experiences with them talking of christmas presents i got a gorgeous little REM pod for christmas nice that's very nice yeah that's gonna go mental but also got a temperature gauge in it
Speaker: And me being me, I immediately got the screwdriver out, opened the back of it and went, how does this fucking work? And then subsequently, found out how it worked. So different to me. I just dust it and go, doesn't it look nice and shiny? Found out how it worked and made my own. And there's a cool video on the power mic. YouTube builds your own, which is blinding, but very similar.
Speaker: Wasn't the person who bought it for you a bit miffed that you then made your own one? Patsy knows exactly what I'm like, honestly, I was like.
Speaker: straight it like within seconds had the back off it going how does this work okay i recognize that chip quick google search went oh yeah i can make this a lot cheaper yeah because not cheap many like the the sort of standard ones looking around hundred pounds for like the kind of traditional one that you see they can be like up to two three hundred um nick thompson saying but mckayla with the spooky goings on in your house some of your washing might suddenly disappear
Speaker: Well, if it does, we'll get it on fucking camera this time. I'll tell you about my, obviously Nick knows what's been going on in my kitchen. Well, actually, nobody knows what's been going on in my kitchen because it doesn't come on the camera, but we'll talk about that later.
Speaker: uh but yeah took it ashes right like the the proper full up the original rem pod the big circular one with four humongous leds in it easily a couple hundred quid for one of those and i like to take a view of the paranormal that
Speaker: None of the equipment is actually tested. So, in some instances, I refuse to pay that much money. Hence why I'll take the back off stuff, see how it works, go, I could build that cheaper, like, for instance,
Speaker: the little REM pod I just showed you, I built for £40 odd. And that's not even as cheap as you can build it, you can build them for literally like £18 or something if you use the original case. It's crazy, like, because you think about the markup. It's just like, these guys are making so much money off of stuff that's unproven. And the technology behind it is pretty basic.
Speaker: like pretty basic stuff you're actually using inside it. I had one made for me and it's basically, it consists of wires, lights and a lot of black gaffer tape. Yeah. And I've had it for several years now and I just get more gaffer tape when it falls apart and stick you back on. But it's really good. Exactly. A lot of the equipment is very, very rudimentary and
Speaker: As I say, the internals for the REM pod that I built is like 14 pounds or something.
Speaker: And although it's got a temperature gauge in it, the one that I got for Christmas was 60 when it's like mark on that. And admittedly, there's cost box and stuff like that, but they're still making money off it. And as I say, I just, yeah, me being me, I'll take the back off something, have a look and see if I can work out how it works or find a video on YouTube and then make my own video on YouTube of how to make it. I mean, 60 pounds, not too bad.
Speaker: and actually compared to the cost of some of them doing the fact they did the same thing.
Speaker: Yeah, I mean, it could be expensive hobby. Definitely this topic. So anyway, you're keeping that cost now. I mean, there's so much equipment I want to get, but you just like spirit boxes and f and outs. I suppose you think it's a radio, literally, is all it is. But you know, it's hundreds of pounds to get what is crazy. I mean, speaking speaking of, I built a a white noise box of sorts trying to be akin to Danny Moss's. Sorry.
Speaker: Danny Moss's intro box. The pumps have white noise and essentially it's like the spirit box sound sort of thing but it doesn't have any radio in it. I built or made the white noise patches myself and then this was actually the basis of the app I was building. I actually got that on my phone. Didn't go very well and
Speaker: the person designing it, my brother has decided not to actually update it or anything. So I was like, fuck's sake, it's not going to work in that sense. So I spent a lot of time and money building a sort of portable box. I could put these white noise patches onto an SD card and play them when we go to investigations. And then last week I happened across this, which is a spirit box, but happy droid.
Speaker: And this is actually got an SD card in the top of it So very quickly. I was like hang on a minute. You can record it No, but I can play my own white noise patches through this rather than have this big chunky box that I made and is a bit fucking janky And I was like whoa. Okay, that's that's amazing In terms of spirit boxes the sound of it's nowhere near as harsh as the normal ones apparently something to do with it being analog rather than digital and
Speaker: And yeah, 50 pound compared to like the hundreds you'll pay for other ones. And even that, I emailed him and he was like, oh, PayPal me and it'll be less than that, like 40, 45. And I was like, nah, cause he originally had them on, I think eBay and he was saying eBay fees, they'll be 50 pounds. And I was like, nah, dude, like 50 pounds cheap enough. And like you deserve it sort of thing. We're all trying to help each other along something. But yeah, 50, 50 pound for a spirit box that's also got the,
Speaker: the ability to play MP3s and stuff after it. I was like, what the fuck? Compared to the big ones, and all he does is buys these little radios from China, I think, or buys them from somewhere, and then modifies them a little bit, and that's it. It would be good, I mean, the certain recording features, when something that we've got to have on, especially in the esters, to be able to listen back, other people to listen back and see where to come through and match up, stuff like that.
Speaker: I was going to bring all my stuff down as well. So the S -Box, the other spirit box that I have, that I've had for ages, again, it's got an SD card port in it. This one isn't for playing sounds, but this one is for recording the sessions. So you can do it with this one. This one's a little bit more expensive. It's got some nicer features on it, like you can go and reverse or
Speaker: It's got a torch on it for some reason, or you can use it as a Bluetooth speaker and things like that. But yeah, that's got this functionality. Mark Parsons says, what got you all into the paranormal? Michaela, I've spoken enough, mate. You can take this one first.
Speaker: Just before I go on to that, I just wanted to say I spent a lot of money on an SB11 a couple of years ago, and it didn't work for me whatsoever. I mean, the actual thing worked, but I didn't get anything through it. So I traded it. It cost me 200 and something pounds.
Speaker: it was really expensive. I sold it for about 170 and for about half that price I bought an SB7 which has been so much better and sometimes I think you can get better results the cheaper it is sometimes.
Speaker: It's a really funny one. The SB7s and the SB11s are seen as the really good spirit boxes, the SB7 in particular, I think, because it's a bit cheaper. That's the one that the vast majority of paranormal investigators go for. The SB11 is a funny one because although it's got all these fancy features like you can play a dual channel and you can have one going in reverse and one going forward and one on FM and one on AM at the same time, the biggest issue is with audio -paradolia being what it is,
Speaker: that then potentially just muddies things up even more so potentially it's harder to hear things or there's more chance for audio peridolia or more chance for interference and stuff like that so they seem like a a great bit of kit and i've wanted one for quite a while but then the more time goes on and the more i think about it i go where it's 250 pound odd for a spirit box and it's is it any better than any other spirit box out there probably not
Speaker: Yeah. So I feel like I've said so many times in the last few weeks how I got into the paranormal. And I feel like I might be boring some people. So I will say the short version. So my very first thing sounds way, way, way out. But when I was a tiny little child, I flew downstairs at home.
Speaker: And I was between two and three, and I jumped off the top of the stairs. I lived at my nana and granddad's house, and I remember being put down at the bottom of the stairs really gently, and I went and knocked on the living room door, and everybody was aghast because I wasn't allowed to come down the stairs by myself, never mind, at 10 o 'clock at night. And I still have this really vivid sensation of flying
Speaker: and then being put down. Now, make of that what you will. Move on. I was nine years old and a lot of children in my school and myself had this experience of seeing three hooded figures in the school field, well, next to the school field. And then 20 years later, I met somebody else from the same village who verified that she's
Speaker: seen them as well, which was a real moment for me because it wasn't just one thing that happened years ago, someone verified it 20 years later. And that when I was about 20, that's when I really started getting into it. And I lived in a haunted house when I was a student in Hull. And we had lots and lots of experiences in that house, loads of experiences. So I just became obsessed after that. How about you, Ash?
Speaker: Yeah, I'll go in mind. Evening. Hey, Edie. Thanks for joining us. I think we've all spoke with the alien twins. Hey, Edie. Part to investigate. I've only spoke to one fourth of to investigate, but carry on. Yeah, so, I mean, mine's starting more UFO. I'm more of a UFO guy. We had a UFO sighting in 1997, now 10 years old.
Speaker: that kind of led to growing up being hugely interested in UFOs and that kind of just expanded into ghost, lock test, monster, that type of stuff. And then about five, six, bloody hell, maybe seven years ago now, time goes so fast. I had a weird ghost experience in a pub in Cheshire. It's kind of, well, I know for a fact that I have a ghost or a spirit or some kind of being next to me in this pub.
Speaker: And that's open up to the whole yeah, let's go more into the power normal as well as the UFO type of field So it's kind of grown on From there. Well, yeah, maybe UFOs but still hopefully the best of this year I would talk about it a bit more doing a lot more power normal stuff this year There is some of the stuff that got planned Coming up. So yeah, that's that's me Mike. I
Speaker: Um, much like Michaela, I felt like I told the story thousands of times. So I'll try and keep it as brief as possible. Um, up to about three years ago in 2021, I didn't believe in any of this. I thought it was all bullshit. Um, I thought the people were basically delusional. Uh, Patsy, my fiance dragged me along to go sun and willingly. And there were some things that happened that I couldn't explain. Uh, and me being a very,
Speaker: logical and I guess more to the point obsessive person that was like what what just happened and that sent me down the rabbit hole and much like taking the banks off of
Speaker: REM pods the minute I get them I've just fallen into it and it's consumed quite a large amount of my life for the past three years which isn't a negative by the way because I've met some fantastic people through it and it's been very enjoyable up to this point and again like we've been on investigations and had some mad things happened that Mike of 2020 -2021 would have just gone
Speaker: that and just not even entertaining the idea that it could have been paranormal or that it could be ghosts or whatever, you know. Yeah, like I say about sort of the meeting people in the community, I call Shri would have been complete strangers two, three years ago. Yeah. I've met Mike. Mike's met Kayla. I've not met Kayla yet, but will in person. They may soon.
Speaker: And again, that was that was a mad one, because when I started getting into the paranormal, I was looking for a podcast that I could listen to on the paranormal a lot of them kind of pissed me off a little bit for various reasons that I heard. And this isn't like me where it's me being a fanboy, let's be honest. I pursued the paranormal and I was like, oh, wow, I can really go on with these guys. And reaching out on Instagram for my own experiences before I know I'm a guest and then a year down the line. It's
Speaker: It's a monthly thing. And as you say, we've been out investigating Ash, me and Makayla have met each other and are going to be investigating with each other in the future. And it's just, it's really nice to be honest to meet like -minded people, even though you are all in Paris and parts of the country miles away from me. Pretty much covering the whole of England. The freedom was pretty much. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: We like a lurker. Nick says, talk about the equipment.
Speaker: What if the spirit slash energy whatever just wants to chill and the equipment is disturbing them and they just want us to be quiet? If these experiences are even entities that can be communicated with and it's not just a much bigger thing that we have no comprehensive.
Speaker: Nick you always have the most far -flung out there conscious humongous brain questions dude like yeah I absolutely agree like no one knows anything about the paranormal it's all theoretical who knows what equipment may work who knows what equipment does work it could be disturbing I'll be dealing with
Speaker: residual or intelligent hauntings, no one knows what we're dealing with. So we're all just sort of walking around in the dark, stumbling over ourselves, seeing, don't be sorry about that dude, it's absolutely fine. We're all just walking around in the dark, stumbling over ourselves and hoping that we can try and make something of what we think detects the paranormal, right?
Speaker: I think that if they don't want to have anything to do with those, then they just don't communicate with us. I don't feel like they're stuck wherever they are near us. I'm sure that they have infinite capacity to go, oh, sod this.
Speaker: who's this interfering with my wavelength or whatever, I'm off. I'm sure that we don't disturb them. I reckon that sometimes they're pleased to have anyone there. I often try to imagine what it must be like and I've heard it described quite a lot, especially by people who have psychic or mediumistic sort of talents that say there are certain people
Speaker: that are like a beacon in the dark so almost like these entities are wandering around in a kind of half light and then when people try and communicate them it's like a light goes on or a beacon goes on and they're drawn towards it. I like to think of that and that if they don't want to communicate then they'll stay away from where all the noise is. That's just my my take on it.
Speaker: to compound that and this isn't the the Michael I'm a psychic look at me show when we first started going on our on our events for the events company seemingly a lot of activity seemed to happen around my the group I was in and more apparently me to the point that the events company started taking the piss and calling me by the ghost whisperer and I was like cool thanks
Speaker: I mean, to be fair, mate, how often your name comes up on the Alice box? It's mad, right? It's mad, mate. It's mad! Every video I watch comes up, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come
Speaker: Ada says what if these spirits are only projecting their presence when the right amount of energy is present than to do so they may lay dormant until we arrive and shake it up a little. I mean a lot of stuff is based around kind of getting our energy up and a lot of things like Ouija board stuff like that we have to kind of warm up the board using your energy to kind of let whatever it is kind of
Speaker: use that to move things or affect things. So yeah, no, good. Good point. I think it depends on what type of energy you mean specifically. Like jumping around, shouting, maybe not, but definitely in terms of if everyone's
Speaker: in a jovial mood and quite happy to have a joke and people are telling jokes and people are laughing, that does seem to definitely have an effect on activity sometimes. The other weird one is almost when you're not actively investigating, you know what I mean? Those periods in the investigation where you're stood around just having a chat asking Michaela how her week's been or how the podcast is going and then all of a sudden you start to hear things happening around you.
Speaker: when you're not acknowledging it. Exactly. Or when you're leaving a room, I find, you know, you leave a space that you've been investigating and you're all chatting and you're going out. And I don't know if it's a combination of the going out and the chatting, but things seem to happen behind you. Absolutely. Also, hello Sarah. What's the GXO flag, Ash? Even Josh, even Sarah, thanks for
Speaker: Joining us, GXO is a company I work for. Joshua is a fellow GXO. Oh, OK, OK, OK. I actually thought he had a flight, actually. Behind me or something. Can I be an empty and ask what GXO is? A logistics company. Oh, right. Yeah, transport. I feel happy with myself that I didn't know what that was then.
Speaker: Miss Sarah Ainsworth is saying, I think they feed off fear. Fear is a powerful energy. I find when we are laughing or if we scare people on purpose, then things actually happen. Yeah, like Danny Moss did an entire series, right, called Project Invocation, where he deliberately put people in uncomfortable situations to try and induce fear and see if that brought on paranormal activity. I think there's definitely something in it.
Speaker: Yeah, well, that's the whole thing of destination fear, which is now project fear in the US. That's their whole thing, that the more scared you are, the more activity happens around you. It's quite a common theory, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. I was going to say before, when you're talking about kind of the entities over there.
Speaker: if you're at a place that has like, say, investigation booked every night, and these, if there's like a certain ghost or entities that are in this building, and there's different people coming every night doing the same experiments, asking the same questions, it must get very boring. I think I'll do here again, I'm gonna knock twice because they'll ask me to knock twice again, or stuff like that. And whether, if that is a case where they're kind of aware that much, that they might kind of,
Speaker: play tricks, have that kind of joker aspect to it. And they might just mess around because they're kind of bored of doing the same thing every night. And just to throw people off. It's just weird to think that if there is some kind of conscious intelligence that's talking back to panel investigators, they might have that kind of aspect to it where they can have a joke with them. In the UFO field, there's kind of called the joker aspect to it.
Speaker: They all demand to make themselves visible and then disappear, just like mess around with people and play games on people. And it was like a real kind of theory behind some scientists and stuff. And that kind of same stuff could be happening. Good. How about this for an idea? I've always wondered this. Do you get more activity in somewhere where people go in every single night, like the place we mustn't name? You know, where?
Speaker: People just go in every night, or a lot of these places that hire places out, is that more likely to get activity, or does it kind of wear out the activity slightly? Does it use up the energy? Because sometimes, and I have to say, I've only got YouTube videos to go on by this, which is not a great thing to do, but... Unless they're from Powerbike.
Speaker: Well, obviously. But if you look at some of these where people go into truly derelict houses that are not normally investigated, sometimes the energy and the things that happen in those places is phenomenal and almost bordering on dangerous.
Speaker: So would that energy still be as violent if people went there every single day for a year or is it the fact that it's built up and no one's been in and then they go in and it all bursts out? I don't know, what do you reckon? It's a tough one, it's almost as if investigating can sometimes take away from it like we've just said.
Speaker: sometimes if you ignore things they start to happen now if you've got like pubs for instance pubs are notoriously haunted and i can only think that this is for the amount of time they've a been standing and b the amount of footfall that comes through them right
Speaker: the majority of the football aren't going in there go in, can you give us a sign and not actively trying to investigate hence why things happen and also it's probably a longer period of time where a couple of things happen rather than like a concentrated one evening sort of thing. In terms of investigations I think that a aspect that isn't explored very often and probably should be but a lot of people have got some very strong feelings about it is provocation. Now there's been instances where
Speaker: I've gone into places and started to get bored and basically started trying to provoke, say like, we'll fucking go on then, blah blah, and it does seem to start stirring things up. But again, it's one of those things that a lot of people don't particularly like and it's a tough one because you're always told to be respectful whenever you go into an alleged haunted place, right? And the least respectful thing you can do is
Speaker: go into someone's house and start calling them a shithead or something, yeah. Do you know what I mean? Nick Thompson's got another statement or possibly question. Yeah, Nick says, it does certainly believe that some people unconsciously have that connection like you might. So unsure what it is for their brain is more in tune with the energy and activity, a key for the hidden lock that some people will never be able to unlock.
Speaker: Yeah, I mean, I heard of it as when I was first starting to go down this path, I suppose, without wanting to sound so grandiose and wanky, that it's like playing the piano. In theory, everyone can play the piano. It's just that some people are more, I guess, naturally gifted at the piano or can pick it up easier sort of thing.
Speaker: and it's that sort of thing where I guess communicating with spirits or mediumship or whatever. There's been some other stuff as well, I think, Sarah's. Yeah, I was trying to catch up with some of these comments. Yeah, Mark. I go to Mark's one in his set. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sarah said, I think a lot of activity residual from the people that come investigate. Think about how many people hold the locations and knock consistently time and time again. Surely those knocks stay behind. Stone tape theory.
Speaker: where kind of time is replaying and what we're, so yeah, is what we're hearing. And that's why we're hearing something that knocked a year ago in the same place. Knocking, could that be one explanation for, especially some places like that place which I'm not my name, where I've had very intelligent responses and knocks on command and stuff like that. Could that be me here with another investigator knock two months ago? Possibly. Maybe. Time replaying itself.
Speaker: Yeah. Here's for the next one, Ash. Mark says, I've already had two paranormal experiences with spirits, both involving other people. One of these experiences, books, flew off a bookshelf. It was a very frightening experience at the time. That's what really got me into the paranormal. I mean, yeah, something like that is going to be really... This is exactly it, right?
Speaker: for some people mark you might go to them and say I was in a room and books flew off a shelf and they'll go yeah of course they did and never believe you but because you've had that experience and you can't explain it you're just like what the paranormal has to be real right because it's such an experience based field
Speaker: that the only way you can really get into it is having a personal experience. Because like Michaela said, a lot of stuff on YouTube is fake. You're not there, so you're not sure what's happening behind the scenes. The only way to actually, in my opinion, properly believe in the paranormal is to have some sort of lived experience and be like, I can't explain that. It's like my one. People could give out different theories or explanations for what happened to me in the pub.
Speaker: But to me, I know that happens. And no one can ever tell me otherwise. I don't have any proof. But to me, that's the proof, which is enough for me. Yeah, it doesn't need proving because you know, that's what it was. And people might say, well, you just think that blah, blah, blah, but the problem is, they weren't there at the time it happened. They didn't experience it like you experienced it. So it's very difficult to try and nay say people.
Speaker: Yeah. And also these days, there are so many videos out there. You can't trust anything but yourself, really. You know, you can watch videos. Sometimes I watch videos and I think, wow, that's amazing. And then I feel a little bit sad inside because I think, well, I can't really trust that that is how it seems to be. And so you can only really trust yourself. You are your own barometer when it comes to things like this.
Speaker: Ada says, kind of on the back of what you talked about before, there's a lot of urban explorers that tend to hunt these places down, like empty, daily places, and investigating its fabrics refreshing, too, as it's new. A couple of comments. Just catch one here. Sarah says, think they feed off fear. Fear is a powerful energy. And kind of in their places, just naturally that kind of heightened sense of anxiety and stuff like that. So it's going to be heightened. Maybe they can draw on that.
Speaker: And Joanne, welcome to the chat. Thanks for joining us. Go right. Sorry. It's a lovely Welsh name. Sorry. I just said it because I've got really good friends. Stand corrected by the teacher, Michaela. A lady who has a Welsh friend. It'll probably put me down now. You don't pronounce it like that. I actually have Welsh friends. I don't know if you know that.
Speaker: I have one. It says, I found grief tends to bring a unique energy, not always good, not always bad. You find investigators that are more successful have a tendency to allow their energy or emotions to manifest. My personal experiences seem to corroborate this.
Speaker: Yeah. It kind of goes back to what he said about when he asked before kind of what type of energy. Fear energy, grief, emotion, emotional energy. Yeah. Is that what you're talking about? Delation, fear, amusement. Yeah. Admittedly, they could all boil down to the same energy. But who knows? Very well pronounced there. There you go. I shall tell my friend.
Speaker: Sarah mentions female energy. Looks like there might have been studies on female energy attractant activity. Could we think they have a lot of this where kind of you hear stories or read stories where kind of male ghosts tend to go through like females, investigators and stuff. You see quite a lot of that so that could be some legs to that. I think generally speaking
Speaker: people who tend to be more on the sort of mediumship spiritual side of things tend to be more skewed female to male as well, the male as well. That may be a male ego thing where men just go, no, that's fucking bollocks. Don't want to think about it anymore, right? Could be, could be.
Speaker: Can going back onto the topic? That was a great little diagram. I'm liking this, mate. Let's just answer questions all night, you know? Yeah, man. I'm going to ask Michaela what type of equipment you like using or watch your go to, let's say.
Speaker: Always the voice recorder, always. I think as I'm, I don't know if I'm getting more cynical as I'm doing this more, but it's the only thing that I really trust. I mean, I've got a REM pod. I haven't got lots of equipment because I'm not very well off.
Speaker: And I can't afford to spend two or three hundred pounds on stuff. So I have a big wanting list and a small have list But I've got I've got an EMF meter One that's used for workmen and I've never got that to do anything the K2. I've got to work. Okay I've got an SP7 I've got
Speaker: I've used all sorts of bits and bobs, but the only thing that I've really got good results on is my Sony voice recorder. And there's just something really... When the K2 goes off, it doesn't like fill my heart with joy. It's just like, oh, the night's gone off. And when the REM pod goes off, the same thing. And even if we're sort of getting interactions, the only thing that makes my heart sing with joy and go,
Speaker: really is paranormal because there was no one talking and yet it's caught a voice on there is the voice recorder.
Speaker: I agree. Like I think a lot of, and I'm a huge advocate for all the tech and all the equipment, but I think that K2s, REM pods, Alice boxes, spirit boxes should only ever be considered a capture of activity when they sort of triangulate something else. Like K2 going off by itself isn't, it's not an indicator that something paranormal has happened. Now a K2 going off when you hear a massive bang against the wall, maybe there's something in that, but yeah, like
Speaker: equipment should be used in conjunction with other things going on to try and triangulate evidence, as our friend Demos loves to say. Well, your friend, all right. Well, I have to say that, you know, Mr. Moss and I do disagree on certain pieces of equipment, but that's okay. Because people have different opinions. Because he's wrong.
Speaker: Anyway, so I I agree with him. Cat balls just stamp on them or give them fucking chuck chuck them away. Yeah. I'm not really into SLS either. I don't know. There's just something that feels too easy about it.
Speaker: Ouija boards I used to be massively into and if this time later I'll just give you a little dip into when I was at College in Hull we had several months of Ouija boards and that was incredible I've never been able to replicate anything like it since ever so I don't know I'm up and down with that because it's also it's not measurable you know it could be the idiomotor effect it could be us doing it
Speaker: my jewellery was well in and now it's kind of filtered out again with things like that but there are so many things that I feel we can't trust the data of or the use of and I don't like the fact that I'm becoming more cynical as I get older. I think that's a good thing in a sense though because it means you won't just fall for anything that's shown to you and
Speaker: I believe it's paranormal. I see some of the stuff that gets put out and it makes me really, really depressed to the point that I think, what's the fucking point of me bothering doing this? Because what people want to watch and find entertaining is so far removed from the reality of
Speaker: what paranormal investigating is. I'm just like, oh, fucking hell. Is it worth doing this uphill battle? Go back to what you said about SLS cameras. SLS cameras are complete bullshit. And I'm sorry if I offend you, but
Speaker: They are the fucking Xbox Connect that you're told to keep static and on a tripod and rather than fucking wave it round like it's Harry Potter's wand. And and yeah, they're they're designed to try and map human shapes. Hence why we'll pick up a chair or a coat hanger and go, that's a fucking person there.
Speaker: and when it can't work out, the chair's got four legs. That's why the legs are always going crazy while it looks like something's sat on the chair. They're bullshit. They've been debunked so many times. And it was humongously expensive. Sorry, Ash Karamai. I've got to say, I mean, the price, I say £400 quoted for
Speaker: Something to build an SLS camera, which is basically a Kinect connected to a camera. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and what you're actually paying for Primarily is the fucking Windows tablet because an Xbox Kinect are now Our production end of life and you can pick them up for about 30 pounds or maybe a bit more on eBay And the software for the whole ghost hunting SLS camera you can download for free. So all you're really paying for is
Speaker: the Windows tablet, which don't get me wrong, is expensive. And then someone's basically mount it all for you. Go on a holiday, don't spend it on a fucking Xbox camera. Just go deep into the SLS, like how it works. Because the Kinect, like you say, was used for gaming on the Xbox, where it'd be Stay Snowy by your TV.
Speaker: And then you would move, and they would mirror your movements in the game. So it's tracking movements. So if you're walking around with it, and it seems like a pole, and because you're moving the camera, the connector thinks it's moving, and that is the person. So it then gives a human figure, because you're moving around. So in its head, it's only trained to recognize that, oh, that's moving. It must be a person. So it will identify it as a person. And it's like the vague shape of a
Speaker: Yeah. It's actively looking for human shapes, so anything that looks remotely like a human, it will map. It's like your camera app with the face recognition. Point that at a Hello magazine or something and watch it go crazy for all the faces in it, because it's still picking up on faces despite the fact they're not 3D or anything, right? That's a really bad example, by the way, and you can chastise me for that.
Speaker: I really like the idea of using an old tape recorder. I hadn't thought of that before. I've just literally gone on to eBay now and I'm kind of looking through the old manual tape recorders, although I don't know. I'm sure you must be able to buy the tapes. I really like that idea. I'm going to try that. Thank you.
Speaker: Gay and I think it was Sarah that meant it. Sarah, yeah. Yeah. So I'm going to try that. I'll tell you what I did. A house full of old cassettes. You know what I bought though? I bought, somebody told me that old tube radios are really good. And I bought this massive one that's in the living room now, much to my husband's chug around. It's about this big and it's kind of oak with a big old 1940s dial on it.
Speaker: and what I didn't appreciate was that I couldn't really carry this big thing around with me to these destinations so it's only ever been to one place and sadly we didn't get anything at the time but I will try it in the future. I like the idea of using these old things and seeing whether you get any results.
Speaker: I mean it's yes good as anything like we don't know. Hello Patsy, hope you're well. Just go back to the previous comment. Is it the Patsy? It is the Patsy and Patsy. The PlayStation auto was fucking banging by the way. Perhaps instead of ghost hunting you could be like fighting little ninjas on the screen or something you know.
Speaker: So does anyone get any other ideas, anybody who's watching of kind of random pieces of equipment that they've had really good results with like tape recorders and things like that? Let us know because I'm always up for buying something weird and old and trying it out.
Speaker: I hate to say it, and they're mad expensive, and they're often wrong, but the Alice box for us. It's taken a while for it to warm up, then Patsy can attest to this in the comments if she's still actually watching, or if she's just checked in, but it's taken about a year for it to warm up to us.
Speaker: when it's right it's right and it's just like there is zero fucking possibility well I mean there's a possibility that it is just coincidence but there's slim to no possibility that what comes out of its coincidence like
Speaker: the amount of times that it said my name for instance and it's got I think something like 2000 words in it so my name coming up semi -consistently on investigations is shouldn't be happening all the time that I put a tarot card and envelope only I knew what the tarot card was and then later in the investigation I said can you tell me what card this is can you tell me what cards in this envelope
Speaker: and the Atlas box spits out moon, and I lose my fucking mind because the card in the envelope was the moon. And I'm just like this. It's not possible. It's not possible. Like, stop. Or like the time we went. All the time we went to Soul Grave Manor and
Speaker: I've got video of it. Patsy's looking around the room, not really interested. We've just got down into the basement. She switched the house box on. She's not really paying attention and found and pound come through at the same time. And she looks and go, what the fuck did I just say? Because she'd literally just put her hand on a pound coin in her pocket and found a pound. And it's just like, what the fuck? Oh, wow. Yeah. It'll be quite good if it came up with my name because my name would definitely not be in it.
Speaker: Yeah, absolutely. Or Michael A. Michael with an A on. Michael and Michael A, yeah. There's a very nice lady who's a historian who's going to be a guest on my show soon. Plug, plug. Penny Morgan. Penny Morgan Griffiths. And she calls me Michaela with an A because the first time I met her at the festival, I've been explaining last year, she was like, oh, what's your name? And I went Michaela.
Speaker: Michaela, Michael with an A on, so now she just calls me Michael with an A. Brilliant. AV has a laser grid. I've seen now, I've never used one. Yeah. Because I was supposed to capture things walking through it, I guess. Yeah, like any shadows that move or anything. Yeah, we had one and used it and never caught anything on it really either.
Speaker: The other interesting one from Sarah has been told to use her midwifery equipment and use my Sonicade to... So I might try that. I know this is going to be awkward as fuck. What is a Sonicade? That's all right. Is it an ultrasound wand? Maybe. It could be something to do with that when you... Baby heartbeat monitors? Yeah, maybe. With ultrasound gel.
Speaker: You can get one for £26 apparently, you might have to. Really? Yeah, it looks like. That is cheap. Looks like a kind of, like, A cheap one, yeah.
Speaker: Sonic A works on ultrasound. And again, there's evidence to support that using ultrasound and infrasound can sometimes induce paranormal activity, like DeMoss is a huge fan. He's huge into that, right? Yeah, what's it called? It's an intro box, is it? The one that... Intro box, I think, yeah.
Speaker: through as they yeah and don't get me wrong like there are certain frequencies of sound that start to mess with you like there's one that can vibrate your eyeballs and make you start thinking you're having hallucinations and stuff so there is that element of it but there's a lot of belief that ultrasound and infrasound can affect things especially as they're outside of the human range of hearing
Speaker: Yeah, well, that's the explanation for why when a lion roars, it terrifies you, isn't it? Because they use infrasound. And there's been a lot of research in the area of Bigfoot to show that the reason that when people see big hairy creatures as if that isn't scary enough, the reason that they feel absolutely terrified is because of the infrasound. And sometimes infrasound by itself can give you a feeling of dread and terror.
Speaker: Yeah, it can do all manner of weird things to you like the brown noise for instance making you poo yourself I don't know if that's necessarily true, but There's a lot of stuff on the infrasound spectrum That couldn't that can do odd things to you Jaren says will the Gulf's consent being slathered with gel? They're big into ectoplasm so why not I
Speaker: and vibrating balls aren't entertaining. I'm not sure where this chat's going. Yeah. I mean, we have mentioned paranormal sex toys before on the round table, I think. So I'm sure there's a market for it. Anyway, moving on.
Speaker: somebody kind of straight going I think that was how you corrected me using emf with a normal display and get a standard em magnetic reading for the immediate environment and i can discount any minor spikes under 50 yeah like it's it's one of those ideals whenever you go on an investigation to take baseline readings unfortunately it's not always the reality especially when you go on a public investigation because all they want to do is get you uh pushing the table around the room
Speaker: as quickly as possible. Sarah's got the phonetic on. Generates words based on magnetic changes in the surrounding area. The other day we've got some really interesting results. And we may get told more about that if she gets permission to talk.
Speaker: Yeah, the EMF, when we did the episode, we had the UFO investigation episodes. It was coming to YouTube in the next couple of weeks, I think. It was available on the panel investigating VHX. And anyway, we had the finger reader. And it was all quiet. We were in the middle of doing the guided meditation with the kind of CE5 UFO part of the episode. And it went mental.
Speaker: It went absolutely mental for about 30 seconds. There's no explanation for it. It just went absolutely mental. And then went back and it's carried on. It's normal. It's just weird. Sometimes getting like these spikes kind of for no reason. I can't really say it's paranormal. But then, I don't know. I mean, I don't know how they work, but. And did you see anything at the time? Did anything kind of correlate with it?
Speaker: We had a couple of things, not at the exact same time, but we had a couple of red lights in the woods and in the sky. I saw a shadow or something white running.
Speaker: behind one of the people that were there, we went across a path. We had a few weird things happen around that time. He was middle of the night in Delaware Forest, just four of us.
Speaker: meditating up to the sky, because first time I'd done C5, I'd be like, yeah, some weird stuff happening. And then that was just going off. She went, pussy, meditating. And she's trying to, like, obviously forget everything, clear your mind, just concentrate on the meditation, being guided by the meditation, and basically sending your thoughts out of space, basically, and saying, we're here, come find us, say hello to us, basically, is what you're doing.
Speaker: And this was going after loud notes, obviously distraction from the meditation. But then you think, why the fuck is that going off that much? Even Danny was like, this is crazy. Why is this going off that much? I was going to say, Patsy, I had a comment about sonic weapons, similar akin to what you were saying, Michaelia, about the sound of a lion's roar.
Speaker: American embassies quite often are supposed to create feelings of anxiety and depression, so definitely something noise being the root cause of experience. Yeah, you're absolutely right, that's the American government, I believe, and possibly police are.
Speaker: researching into sound based weapons to have that exact effect on people. In a number of poltergeist cases, sound is believed to be a massive thing in terms of making people feel depressed and make people feel anxious around things in terms of as well as making things levitate via sound waves. So yeah, there definitely could be something in infrasound ultrasound being a contributing factor to paranormal activity.
Speaker: It's interesting. Not something I've really seen or heard of before, either. No, it's devices that pump out infra or ultrasound, generally speaking, are, once again, humongously expensive. And I think it's one of those things that
Speaker: Maybe it's a bit too real rather than a K2 meter that could go off due to natural EMF fluctuations. Do you know what I mean? Maybe they're a bit too accurate that people don't like them.
Speaker: Fair enough, fair enough. Checking not missed any comments. I hear we've got any more questionings. They were coming thick and fast. Nice comment from Gary. There's something about using a machine to capture a very human experience. True.
Speaker: Sometimes a thing like that we talked before about just doing the investigation where you don't take anything with you. Yeah, yourself and just sit in a room, whatever I say, just chatting amongst yourself, not really doing anything and just see what happens and just move yourself from the kind of scientific side of it and just experience it. It would be such great experience. The only issue I have with that is
Speaker: you spend and we'd spend a lot of money to rent somewhere out there you're just gonna sit there having a chat with people all day you know i mean spending a load of money to rent for a ease drive and go in all right that's and i think someone actually did this let's have a game of monopoly all night or something you know i'm sure i've heard a story about some a group doing that and they just sort of didn't acknowledge anything weird that happened around them and claimed they had some good activity
Speaker: Yeah well sometimes I think you forget as well you forget if it's really exciting and all sorts of things are happening. It's better to just experience it rather than going am I really going to sit and you know replay every little noise that I heard
Speaker: several times or will I go through it once and go, oh yeah, there was a noise there. But while you're busy switching on your equipment and pointing your camera here and there, you can miss things that are happening. So sometimes it is just really good to sit there and think, gosh, I'm really experiencing this thing that there's no explanation for. And it's almost as if in some instances when I put the camera away,
Speaker: more stuff happens. That's because I'm actually concentrating on things happening rather than concentrating on a tiny screen that I'm trying to film everything with. But yeah, you put the camera away and you're suddenly very much more aware of things that are happening around you.
Speaker: Well, I suppose we're so used to, with our mobile phones these days, we're so used to experiencing the world through a camera or a phone. And sometimes we just need to put them aside and experience it for ourselves and go, I'm just taking it all in. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Like at gigs and stuff, like I'll take one or two pictures, maybe a quick video of that, be it, like just enjoy the moment. But there's young people who spend the whole hour and a half
Speaker: stood there. It's like the person's there. You look at the person through a screen, look at the person that's right in front of you. It's just obviously used to their own, be right to preserve the memories and stuff. The person's right there, 10 foot away from you, but you're watching them through a screen on the tiny screen. Just experience it.
Speaker: I went when I was younger, I went for a massive spare going to loads of gigs, and I would almost always miss the first two or three songs because I was there trying to take photos and stuff before I know I was like, oh, they play. Oh, well, you three songs in. It's like what? What was what was Pat saying? Sorry. Sometimes we get more activity when sat around chatting compared to actively trying to get activity.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah, I mean, we've we covered that as well. Go on to the dot message real quick. It's used to be a member of Everglow Investigations, the investigation company that I go with all the time. Great investigator. It's good to see you. I know she's taken a step back from investigating stuff, but it's good to see you. More important thing is trusting your own feelings. Sometimes we don't always say how we feel and wait for the gadgets. Yeah, there's been plenty of times where I've felt something and not said it.
Speaker: And then later a gadget said something and it makes me look like a lying motherfucker when I go. I was thinking that actually.
Speaker: Yes, I felt that too. Yeah, exactly. Me and Dot have had some great experiences where she was part of the Eviclo team and she'd already been in the investigation and done a walk around. I'd show up with all my shit and we'd do a walk around and then Dot would come up to me afterwards and be like, did you feel anything? Did you get any feelings anywhere? And I'd just sort of look at Dot and go, whereabouts did you feel it? Nine times out of 10 it correlated.
Speaker: and we'd be like yeah room upstairs with all like the looks like a canteen with all the tables this that never didn't like the feeling in that room you should be like yeah that's exactly where I felt yeah so dot is uh dots quality good see dot uh going says the sound thing makes me wonder about skinwalker rants experiences sort of had there by the way skinwalker would be a hell of a place to go if a little terrifying i'd love to go
Speaker: It would be mental, but the chance of getting in there is a pipe dream, unfortunately, isn't it? To be fair, that kind of brings us on to, that's a nice set way into something. Skinwalker Ranch has lots of different things going on. From say it's like the big portals we've seen to maybe other dimensions or whatever, UFOs, creatures, skinwalkers, obviously, monsters, all types of things.
Speaker: happen in a lot of other areas that are similar where they have lots of different things going on around it or stuff like that. A place in the UK, like up on the east coast, well, the North Yorkshire way, seems to have a lot of weird things going on, wolfmen, stuff like that. And you've got places like Cannock Chase, where I've been investigating before. I don't know about you guys, but that's a place that's had
Speaker: all sorts like UFO sightings, ghost sightings, black -eyed children, pig men, bigfoot, wolf man, ghost of soldiers, all these different things we've seen in what is 26 square miles of the chase. It's got war cemeteries there, a place called Castle Ring which is where we had probably our best kind of results.
Speaker: which is an Iron Age kind of thought hill. Yeah. And yeah, it's just an incredible place to investigate the experiences we've had. They've been named Kayla before. And I'll tell you what, they were all having a night off when I went. They literally all had a night off. We walked around
Speaker: Castle ring, pie tower, around the woods, the German cemetery, you name it, we went places. A member of our group felt like she got a little girl's voice through on the SB7 at pie tower. But diddly squat, and we were doing it for eight hours. We literally did it all night and then camped at Cannock Chase and sweet FA.
Speaker: except for the fact I felt like I was being followed at one point and in my head I felt like it was a big cat but that was purely my imagination but I did feel like something was tracking us like but it could have been a deer it could have been a fox it could have been anything but it did spook me out a little bit but besides that I just think we went on a very very quiet night. What happened when you've been there?
Speaker: Well, the last thing that happened was very similar, where there was three of us there. We'd been there all day, all night. We'd been at Castle Ring. And people were waving at myself. I don't get freaked out that often. And we'd been there for hours, totally fine. And then the atmosphere has changed. And we all said to each other, we all looked at each other and just went, I think we need to go. So we literally packed our stuff up. And from Castle Ring, it's probably about a 10 -minute walk, 10, 15 -minute walk for where we were at Castle Ring.
Speaker: A little bit of a hill path, like a drop either side, going around the outside of this big circle area. And the whole time, and it's black. So we had torches in front of us, like basically looking at our feet so we didn't walk into anything. And we all had the feeling of something following us, so it was just like a bedwalk. Didn't want to go on because you put your slit. We just speedwalked.
Speaker: just behind each other. When I was at the back, all the time, I feel like I don't want to look behind me. I don't want to look to the side of me because I think I'm going to see something. That face was like, we just need to get out of here. It's really, really unnerving. Getting in the car, I was like, even then, it's like, I don't want to be in the car. I just need to get out of the actual area. It just felt like something that
Speaker: I've been following us, it just really works. And how kind of calm it had been, it just changed in a second. All of us felt it. Because that was just like one of us, all three of us sort of in the same instant, all of each other when something's not right. It's just like that change, that atmosphere has changed. It's just absolutely insane. I can't wait to go back. Yeah, I'd really like to go back. Is someone whistling near somebody?
Speaker: Or am I just completely? I heard that as well. It was like a sound. I couldn't figure out where it was coming from. Patsy, is that you in the living room whistling? I really hope it is. I'm glad you heard it as well because I thought
Speaker: Vaguely, and I thought it was, I'll be honest, I thought it was just where Ash was talking and like he said a word and it sort of just whistled for his teeth or something. So I didn't pay any mind to it until UN. I didn't hear it, it might have been that.
Speaker: I've never heard you do it before Ash. I've never heard you do it before Ash. No you're not going shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish shish sh
Speaker: Have you been to Kannick Chase, Mike? I haven't. I have not. We should definitely organise to go there. We should. We probably won't be able to stay past four o 'clock in the afternoon because perhaps you'll get freaked out and want to leave by that point. But yeah, we should definitely organise something.
Speaker: Nick says we're at the Galloway Forest. We're at the investigation with Danny M. I was going to say so have you? I used to enjoy riding my bike through there until I listened to other things that happened in the forest which again is some insane stuff. There's werewolf stories, even a dragon apparently lived there was seen there in the medieval times and it's absolutely crazy stuff. Sarah's heard loud growls in there
Speaker: It's quite a big place, but not big, big forest. Nothing like kind of chase or anything like that. But again, there's still lots of tales of big foot type creatures and stuff like that, which is really weird.
Speaker: Just random thought from Nick, the trees have been alive yet it's what they call an ancient forest. The trees have been there for a lot of thousands of years I think, some of the trees.
Speaker: maybe they create some kind of more ancient energy we can't comprehend. And that's what causes lots of experiences in a forest. I mean, this is this is getting into the idea of nature spirits and things like that, right? Like elementals is probably the wrong word. But like, correct me if I'm wrong on this, because I probably massively am like the the fae that the Welsh believe in, for instance, I think they're sort of
Speaker: Were they more fairies? I don't know. I'll shut up because I don't know enough about that sort of stuff. But yeah, in terms of like nature spirits like women of water or spirits of forests and stuff like that. Like I think the green man is quite a
Speaker: quite well thought of one. Yeah, that's like the British kind of withdrawals, calling the green man. Yeah, I think we're talking about the same thing. And that the carvings of him going back to everywhere. And a lot of pubs as well about why there's green, green, green man pubs is there on my thing? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was gonna say there's some weird association with pubs as a personal story.
Speaker: years ago with my old group, I investigated a place called the Riverside, which isn't that far from me. It's a pub that's ironically on a river. And we weren't having an amazingly active night. And I think at one point we started to change the questioning to, are you a spirit of the river or are you associated with the water running by the pub?
Speaker: And seemingly we started to get more activity going down that line of questioning. So I was like, oh, we could be on to something here. Unfortunately, the group I was going with were the best investigators and then continue to just go, spirit, if that's you, are you a man or a woman, rather than continue down the line of what we were actually getting. Yeah, which sucked a bit.
Speaker: Well, I mean, you if you think about the fact that trees, like Nick says, they've been alive for a long time, and they most exude some sort of energy just by the fact that they're alive. And it is
Speaker: It is true that when you go into a forest at nighttime, I find them one of the most creepy places in the world. And why is that? What is that energy? There is, you know, dark is dark. So why are forests scarier than just being sat in a cupboard? You know what I mean? Is it the energy coming from the trees? Is it the fact that they're so big? Is it the fact that you can't see if there's anyone there? It could be any of that or all of it, really.
Speaker: I do believe, kind of going a bit scientific, kind of more evolution, is that like man used to live in the forest and stuff and the predators would always be in the forest. So it's kind of that innate fear that we don't have it but we're still in our genetic makeup or whatever.
Speaker: We're afraid of what's in the forest because the predators are in there, we can't see them. Some of it could come from that kind of old, that's where the predators would be back millions of years ago when it was like 10 times really.
Speaker: When we, when Paramike first started and we were going out and getting test footage and just seeing, testing cameras and things like that, it was during winter and we went to a local wood during, I say night, it was about six o 'clock. So it was dark, but it wasn't like the middle of the night or anything. And I took Patsy with me, obviously, and I was like, oh, let's go and walk around every fucking sound. She was like, what the fuck's that? What the fuck's that? No, I ain't going in there.
Speaker: We didn't in the end because despite how much I tried to force her, she wasn't having any of it. But yeah. Close your ears perhaps say, next time just slip a little valium into a water bottle and then she can just have a really nice stoned experience as she's kind of wandering around going, hey, that's it. She might be meeting the fae people if that's the case.
Speaker: Cyber -sized trees are connected to the earth directly, as is everything that exists profound. That's why many people go there spiritually to ground and connect. Geraint exposure is vulnerability, where people of the forest, so maybe there's a deep connection, both kind of similar kind of themes.
Speaker: If you're supposed to take your shoes and socks off, you have to walk barefoot in the forest to actually connect skin to skin, as they call it. Sounds painful. I love it. On the topic of investigative forest, I love it. Pintuendo Shroom, Delamere, up in Scotland at the Galloway. I want to get to the North Yorkshire Moors forest up there as well. Obviously, there's a lot of stuff you have to discount because it's wildlife. It's quite harder.
Speaker: Because you cannot know there's always gonna be weird shit happening weird noises or the street It was like being there and I'll get cute. I only got good out a couple times. But yeah, just get me in the forest Literally what I was about to say was do you know how to just discount the entire investigation? Because of all the natural noises and everything else like that going on. I
Speaker: Yeah, I mean, I mean, I told me when this was showing before with the Chihuahua and so on. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's weird stuff that like could just be absolutely normal. But in the context, it was all a bit weird. But yeah, get me get me in a forest.
Speaker: A quick comment from Nick. When you look at a leaf and the makeup of a leaf and the palm of your hand, it looks the same way. It blows my mind. Yeah, I mean, the patterns repeat themselves throughout the universe. Absolutely crazy when you sort of dig into that side of stuff where the same mathematical form repeats itself or the patterns repeat themselves.
Speaker: really ironically I had almost this exact exact conversation at work today about the Finibachi sequence and like you're right the same numbers that are seen repeating themselves through various different things throughout history that no one can really fathom why that's why that's the case that's when a simulation uh yeah I think I think at this point it's a simulation that we're creating when you start to look at AI and VR
Speaker: And the fact that your phone's listening to you and we'll show you results on Google or suggest things to you from conversations you've had. I think it's a simulation that we're creating and we're actually creating a virtual world for ourselves rather than living in the real world as such. And it's only going to keep going, right? Because virtual reality and augmented reality, AI, being AI and everything else.
Speaker: Apparently trees and plants and grass, et cetera, actually makes a screaming noise, but we can't hear. Maybe they vibrate differently. Sometimes I wonder if we can pick up screams on equipment or are we actually hearing the earth as it is? I would imagine that even if equipment could pick it up, our range of hearing probably still couldn't actually hear it. So unless it was something funky, like how an IR light works, that it sort of
Speaker: captors infrared and then shows it to you in something you can see. I'm not sure if that will be possible. And I don't know if that exists.
Speaker: Doc says, I think the basic principle is we all connect with the elements and we actually tap into the earth, trees, the actual water, its natural energy. We use that to increase our own energy. We're so quick to discard it. I mean, yeah, I mean, everything's connected. I'll drink some water and then that'll get reused. Someone else will drink it probably a couple of weeks' time. I don't really know what you're into. Is that really for this podcast?
Speaker: You know what? When I explain that to the children in my class, I love doing that because they're just so horrified. When I go, you know that drink of water that you just had? That's dinosaur wee. But they all go, oh, no. And it's just fabulous. And then their little minds, you can see when you sort of explain how it works, their little minds are just like. It's fantastic.
Speaker: Uh Gary. School of senior investigation. I depend on Hill in Trella. On the trail of Jacka Kent. Not too sure now I've never heard Jacka Kent. I want to go up to a. I don't from Sarah.
Speaker: It's so big, it's cut it off Sarah. When the Phonetic Con was on charge, go back to equipment, you're generating so many words and the Phonetic Con never usually goes off that frequently. We noticed it kept beeping and asked for a word that we would all understand. It generated the name of A .D.'s mum. It was the anniversary of her passing that day. Wow.
Speaker: We got a few corresponding words, they asked for it to say blanket, the word that came up on Pendle Hill, and it generated the word blanket on demand of other words that could generate out of thousands. Wow. That's incredible. I mean, first off, kind of sorry to hear that ADF, she's still around, but yeah, that is mental.
Speaker: it's mental like what's what would how could you even work out the probability of that happening right to say a name yeah and then not even that just that portion of it the portion of can you say blanket and it says blanket back to you and i'm pretty sure uh the fanatic on isn't one of those itc devices that is listening to you via some sort of microphone because i don't even think it has a microphone in it right it's only runs off emf yeah
Speaker: That's crazy. It really is. Nick says, maybe all of this is the matrix and the power normal has just been written into the program to keep us running in circles. Well, it's keeping me interested. Maybe it's parallel universes that we somehow overlap with ours at certain points in time. And that's what ghosts are in it, ourselves in a different universe.
Speaker: Just leave that, yeah, move it on. I think, yeah, we could go on for another hour, I think, talking about. Oh, yeah, yeah. So next point.
Speaker: Yeah, because we're chasing the paranormal, we're not chasing the matrix. We're not going to figure a way out because they put in these things like UFOs and ghosts to keep us, people that are more open -minded, constraint on them, not finding out a way out the matrix. I mean, I think governments do a good enough job of keeping us distracted from what we should really be paying attention to enough anyway, right? Not to make this political. That's the last I will say on that.
Speaker: Nice one. Cheers Sarah. Yeah, good to see you Sarah. Bye. Let's see, any comments? The thing about the plants screaming and stuff, I have heard or read that plants can kind of feel pain and stuff like that.
Speaker: The part needs to be vegan. And it's one of the anti -vegan arguments that we can't eat trees or plants now because they can feel pain. So what you're going to eat and all stuff like that. But there have been studies into that, like they can feel pain or I say like this scream as a way of putting it. Yeah. I think we're pretty much up to date, so.
Speaker: Is it time to discuss our future endeavors? Yes, it could be. It could be. Kayla, you've got something very, very soon. Do you want to talk about it? You don't have to. Where are you going?
Speaker: I'm going to the place that shall not be named. And I'm going to Harry Potter World. No, I'm not. I wish I was. It was so expensive. I'd love to go. I am going to my haunted hotel, which is also Danny Moss's haunted hotel. But I like to adopt it for myself while I'm there. So I'm going there with to investigate this week. So I'm very, very excited about that.
Speaker: And then the next thing on my calendar actually is meeting up with you gentlemen. And I'll pass it back over for you two to tell everybody all about that. And going back to my haunted hotel. And then I'm meeting Mike up at the Stuck Museum, which I'm very excited about. End of March.
Speaker: Yeah, me, Michaela and some other of my paranormal cronies are going up to the Stoke Museum again. Hopefully it's as active as it has been to us before. I enjoyed it there. You'll enjoy it there, Michaela. I really liked it. No, I'm looking forward to it. Mark says, what shall I take on the Miami alien incident? I'm going to assume this is the mall.
Speaker: thing and that was just not the shit that was. It was it was teenagers fighting and they sent out a calling all cards cards calling all cards alert which is why there was about 60 police officers there because apparently the teenagers started rioting and the whole alien thing was just people looking for clout on the internet making shit up.
Speaker: I saw that videos have been put from other incidents and claimed to be from the Miami. Yeah, because they said that actually inside the mall that people saw a portal and creatures coming out of the portal, didn't they? Inside, not even about the shadow alien that was 15 feet tall following people. Is that just an eyewitness account? They were eyewitness accounts, yeah. I saw an alien when I was walking to work early today.
Speaker: I mean, that's about people that were there. There'd be proper videos. Yeah, everyone's got a photo nowadays, right? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, sadly, it'd be a really random place like Dawn of the Dead slash. Stranger Things. UFO film happening. Dawn of the Dead Alien version. Yeah.
Speaker: So yeah, Stoke Museum end of March should be good. Not this mean a lot to you, Michaela, but I definitely want to try and investigate the upstairs a lot more because that's where we got the most activity and I want to be up there and see if, uh, uh, see if it's to say, well, we're up there.
Speaker: Yeah. What are you up to, Ash? Besides meeting up with us? Yeah, can't wait. Can't wait for that. Part normal wise, currently looking against some cheap equipment, so I may have to look at one of them spit boxes. I'm working on something for the podcast, which I will talk to you both about separately, which I have talked about before and not actually sort of told you about. Top secret. Yeah, top secret.
Speaker: Yeah, we're meeting up in April at a special place which we'll talk about near the time. Yeah, I want to get to either Canuk or Denamea Forest again to do another investigation in the forest. Like I said before, I just want to get more into the paranormal stuff this year. Just because I think there's a lot I want to explore stuff that I want to tap into and that's
Speaker: Also, UFOs are still the main focus for me, but still more.
Speaker: more panel of software to get any extra weeks in the year. I've conquered the UFO world. Take on the paranormal, yeah? What's that website called, Ash? UFO identified. That's called the UK. It's on the screen right now. Fucking hell. A little plug there. Well, I've actually took a down a database at the minute. I don't even saw the new fun database got hacked.
Speaker: Basically, that's the biggest database that's 70 years old. They got hundreds of thousands of sightings on there. Basically, they got hacked and they were locked out. They're on database by this group. I'm not sure. That was only a few days ago. I pulled it back four or five days ago. I think that's still going on. Obviously, we're obviously nothing compared to Mufon.
Speaker: but the fact that it seems to be targeting, I mean, mine's a database, it's the biggest database in the UK. So it's what, just in case, so just tuck down kind of our database for now, just precaution just in case, see what happens with this one. Don't be locked out of my website or my database. You know, I don't know about it in this group, obviously move on to massive, but yeah, just as a precaution,
Speaker: Nick says, when you're in Chester, it's in the hotel, taking a ghost tour. Chester's in Chester's an amazing city. It's walking the walls and the history and stuff. It's just a really nice city to go to as well as obviously the hotel. I'm telling you, it always isn't far from there either. So, yeah. I think that's it, I remember.
Speaker: I was going to quickly tell you about my Ouija board experience wasn't it? Yes, go for it. Because I know you're quite interested in Ouija boards aren't you Ash? I don't mind them. You don't mind them. So this, you are, go on. So when I was a student in Hull and we lived in an old
Speaker: Victorian terraced house, really tall house, there were seven bedrooms altogether. And in the spirit of landlords in the late 80s and early 90s, some poor old lady had died and we basically moved in a couple of weeks later. They'd done nothing to the house except for take up the carpets and put down these really, really cheap
Speaker: kind of almost underlay carpet. So all the wardrobes and stuff that were in there were her wardrobes. And I didn't even have a bed in my room, I just had a mattress on the floor.
Speaker: But with that it was great, we lived there and we used to come home every night that we went out, which was most nights a week, in the true spirit of being a student and we would do the Ouija board. Now I made the Ouija board because I'd been doing it when I was at school in the art cupboard and so I was the kind of the go -to Ouija board maker and so I just used a big
Speaker: It was an A1 piece of white card and I drew the Ouija board on it and we used to use a little glass, a bit like the ones you can get Nutella in now, a little kind of oval -ish glass. And we did the Ouija board and the results were phenomenal.
Speaker: Unbelievable. We used to do it. Usually there was us and this group of lads that we went around with. So there might have been six or seven people on it at the time. And it used to go so fast, this glass, that you just, it was like this. You could hardly keep your fingers on it. And often the glass would just fly off and we'd have to get it back and put it back on again. And we got this one particular spirit through.
Speaker: that claimed to be in the House and we could ask her anything. And it got so obsessive that we started to have a secretary. And so one person each night would say with paper and a pen,
Speaker: and write down everything that was asked and everything that was said and it got a bit unhealthy really because we were so obsessed with it and it got to the point where I think we were sort of taking the mickey out of it and it wasn't really happy because we started asking things like
Speaker: you know, who does Helen fancy? And then it would tell us and then, you know, what Colin Nickers has Claire got on and then it would tell you just stuff that you wouldn't be able to say unless
Speaker: You knew, do you know what I mean? Claire wasn't sat there getting the Ouija board to say that she had red and white spotty knickers on. Do you know what I mean? It was just, it was too much. It was too much. It was too accurate. And we had lots and lots of strange goings on. But then it got to the point where it started being really sinister.
Speaker: and it started telling members of the board to kill other members of the board and we stopped it. We tore up the board and we didn't do it again and since then I haven't really liked to do it because it really freaked me out actually that
Speaker: when it got to be really sinister and things started happening quite a lot in the house. We heard people calling our names. I saw a big kind of ball of light going up the stairs one day. I used to have things falling off the walls in my room and my stereo used to come on in the middle of the night at full blast and absolutely shit me up.
Speaker: And it got too much. So I have done it since then, but I'm very tentative and I don't really like doing it on ghost investigations because I've sort of fallen out with it, if you know what I mean. And I can't explain what happens in all those months, but it was full on, really full on.
Speaker: That's crazy. So you didn't kill anyone? No, we didn't. Not from that session. But it was really, I can't dispute what we saw and I'm still in touch with four people who used to do it and we all have the same opinion and had the same experience.
Speaker: Sadly, my friend Emma had all the scripts that we'd written down, but after she moved back home, she must have had a big clear out and she said she hasn't got them anymore. So I'd love to see those now, to see what it said. Absolutely love to see them. Definitely. Even Jodie. I guess for me, Ouija boards, use them a fair bit, add some interesting stuff, but I don't know.
Speaker: Yeah, on the fence. Yeah, it's not like you got your opinions on. Well, not using. Yeah, probably best not to go into my opinions because it'll piss people off probably, but yeah, I just. Yeah, I just don't want to use them. I don't. Yeah, I've just, I've seen of every Ouija board bearing in mind, I've never touched any. So take this with pinch of salt, but every Ouija board session I've seen, uh,
Speaker: There's always been some element of it could have been the idiomotor effect, or it could have been something that's obvious, or it could have been people on the board asking questions that they know the answers to. And whether consciously or not they could be pushing it, we went to an event and
Speaker: someone came downstairs saying how they'd contacted someone on the board and it was the most mind -blowing mind -blowing thing they'd had through about a girl who was murdered on the premises and one of the people on the board was a personal friend of the girl.
Speaker: I think you really have to trust people very much before it means anything I think. I don't think you can just do it with random people. The interesting thing we did was we put washing up liquid on the top of the glass and it still worked
Speaker: when we were doing that. So whatever was conducting through the glass was still working through the washing up liquid. And there was literally no way that we could, I mean, we could barely keep our fingers on it. But then, as I said, anything that's happened in the last 20 years has made me think, well, I don't know now.
Speaker: Yeah I think if they're ever going to be taken as any form of credibility there has to be checks and balances in place and whether that's blindfolding people or whether that's someone not on the board asking questions or as you say using washing up liquid on your fingers so it's it's harder to push whatever. There has to be that added to it to try and make credible rather than
Speaker: Turn them up me going What's my last name? Well, I'm touching the Ouija board then all of a sudden it spells out my last name and it's like, okay cool Well, I'd fully know that and chances are the majority of people on the Ouija board know about as well because they've come with me Do you know I mean like? Talk says when she was 15 her first board spit out the name of her sister -in -law who died when she was 5 nobody knew It's definitely pretty freaky
Speaker: NSPs, good evening. Jodie says I think it all depends who does the part with you, yeah, to show your trust. Yeah, as you were experiencing, Ash, when you went to Antwerp, the worst thing you can do is jump on a board with a bunch of randomers who you've never met before. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker: Helping investigation in general. You gotta be people you trust over. Yeah, there's far too many over There's already a lot of outside of a boys got to consider and throw in 30 people. You don't know it's just Yeah Yeah, and we went once we went to Bowls over Castle a while back And it was a public event. So of course there was a Ouija board there and a bunch of people started doing it and I
Speaker: uh they asked for a first name and it went D you and then one of the people on the board went Dudley is your name Dudley of course it fucking is because you just shouted out rather than laying it finished and then there was a bunch they told this huge convoluted story about this and they were at one point they asked what year what year that I think it was like what year Dudley was born and then they asked
Speaker: uh what year he died or something then they went oh let's ask it's age and just before they asked to change one of the blokes in the wall went 38 oh yeah so he'd already done the math and worked it out has verbalized that she said come on guys and admittedly public event people are there just to push a fucking plan check round and go oh spooky but come on guys this is incredible
Speaker: Definitely. Unfortunately, Jodie and NSPs were actually about to wrap up. Yeah, I gotta say, I think that's everything, checking the comments on this. Nick Thompson's asking about the girl, the ghost, the girl, the ghost, the gravestone. Fuck me. It must be time to turn off, guys. I'm losing my motor functions. The girl, the ghost, the gravestone is what Nick's talking about. It is phenomenal. It's really good, yeah.
Speaker: And it's great to see the BBC putting money and effort into some more of the real paranormal side of things where it's not just like someone turns up, gets told a ghost story and they go, fucking hell. The woman actually investigates it and starts looking through historical documents about it and everything else.
Speaker: Yes, Nick, that bit was a bit dodgy. I did think that. That was the only bit that made me go. But they were a bit dodgy, those people, weren't they? I don't think they were. They were my least favourite bit of the programme. I'll bite my tongue, Michaela.
Speaker: Yeah, that's probably definitely the case. I mean, it's similar to any equipment, right? Final question then from Joey. I mean, I've said that differently every time I've said it. I often see interactions on the board to be predominantly nefarious or sinister. What do you guys think?
Speaker: I mean, Kayla's story definitely went sinister. Popper, scary movie, well yeah, scary movie, horror movie type.
Speaker: story coming out of that one. That kind of continued, that would have been interesting about you, Mike. I think, and this is going to sound very TikTok and very woo, I think that intent is a huge part of it. If you go into using a board intending to be open and that you will
Speaker: experience something that's light and nice, that will probably happen if you go in intending that it's going to be nefarious and sinister, that's probably going to be the case. Okay, another one of my anecdotal stories about when I went on a ghost hunt. There was a team there from Essex and they were, oh, we're going to use Ouija board, oh, we always seem to get, we always seem to get sinister stuff whenever we go investigating. And because they expected that, lo and behold, that's what happened.
Speaker: like the board started spelling out Satan or something like that and i was just like okay here we go like i think they'd watch one too many horror movies yeah that's where it comes from it's like it's the whole kind of um
Speaker: think about it being demons and dark and stuff because of the movies kind of people come in with that mindset and then that maybe creates them results because it's in their mind that it's gonna be scary or it's gonna be a demon that's coming through or can I make sure you close the board or it's gonna be out in the world and not trapped in the board that type of stuff and it's just yeah
Speaker: Can I just mention something? And it's made me chuckle all week. And I keep having to tell myself not to think about it because something bad might happen. But I've been watching on YouTube some American, quite famous American paranormal investigators. And there's two sets of people that have been doing investigations at the Conjuring House.
Speaker: And I don't know if this was just those people, but it makes me laugh so much. When they were talking about dark spirits and the devil and all that sort of thing that they were worried about coming through in the Conjuring House, they talked about somebody, sorry, someone called Beazleberg.
Speaker: And they kept going on about Beazlebub and Beazlebub this and what if Beazlebub comes through and I'm like, what the fuck is this Beazlebub? Beazlebub? And it turned out they were talking about Beazlebub. But they call him Beazlebub. And I don't know if that's all American, so please, please tell me if I'm wrong. But I was like, what the fuck? Beazlebub, you make it sound like something like Beetlejuice.
Speaker: And honestly, I've been laughing about it all week. And then I actually thought, well, with really dark things like that, you're not meant to think about them a lot, are you? Because it's meant to draw things closer to you. And I'm like, shut up with a beazle book. Shut up with a beazle book. I'm still thinking about it. And then it just keeps making me laugh. And I'm like, I don't want anything to do with anything dark. I just can't get over beazle books. That's how they get you, Michaela. You've been told the timeshare now. You're fully in.
Speaker: Right. Yeah. Nice one. Thanks everyone in the chat or the comments, questions, which will win the charts in quite a lot of that's awesome. We'll probably do this again sometime soon. It's been a.
Speaker: Great fun. Cheers, Michaela. Power Normal podcast. Make sure you check that out wherever you listen to podcasts and make sure you search for Power Mike on YouTube. That's Mike and I've been Ash Ellis for Pursuit Power Normal podcast. Hope you all have a great evening and we'll see you soon. See you all later.
