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Episode 46: Sinbad of the Seven Seas Featuring Andy Rocco
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Comedy Dynamo and all-around good guy Andy Rocco has brought to the podcast a piece of himself in the form of Sinbad of the Seven Seas (1989). This classic tale of high-seas adventure claims to be based on a story by one Edgar Allen Poe. That’s not verifiable, but the fact that it was once four hours long shines through. Is it a beautiful fever dream or a slow-motion nightmare? Tune in to find out…
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Transcript
Introduction to the Podcast
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It's bad to be bad, it's bad to be bad, and guess it's understood that you would, that you could, and you know that you should, yes you know that you should.
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Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to your favorite bad movie podcasts. The only podcast that's brave enough to ask the question, if this movie's so bad, why do you like it so much?
Guest Introduction: Andy Rocco
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We're your hosts. My name is Chris Anderson. And with me, as always, I have my good friend, the poochie to my ah Ahmed, Mr. Greg Bossy.
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Yes. Hello. How are you? You know, we had to be poochie and Ahmed. I was so excited. I'm glad that I was Poochie. Okay. That's fair. That's fair. If you had to choose. And I yeah i had to choose and I chose you to be Poochie.
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And this week, we have a very special guest. ah You might know him as an actor, a comedian, a filmmaker. I know him as another dude from the Tri-State. It's Mr. Andy Rocco.
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Andy, how are you? yay Hi, how are you? Thank you for having me. I'm so excited to talk about this movie. I don't know why I'm doing this voice. um Thanks for having me. I'm so excited, though. am.
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and No, we're excited to have you. and We're excited to talk about this
Sinbad of the Seven Seas Overview
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movie. You chose Sinbad of the Seven Seas. I also like to call it the Lou Ferrigno Sinbad of the Seven Seas. think that's fair.
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I think that's fair. There are a lot of Sinbad movies. a lot of them have very... Anytime I tried to Google this movie, if I typed out the entire title, Sinbad of the Seven Seas, this was not the first result.
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Hot property. Yeah. yeah Oh yeah. It was like, are you sure you don't mean Sinbad legend of the seven seas, the 2013 animated film starring Brad Pitt? It was like, no, I definitely don't mean that.
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Now listeners, if you haven't seen Sinbad of the seven seas, just a ah brief summary to hold in your mind.
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Sinbad the Sailor, along with his loyal crew, must retrieve four magical generals to defeat the evil Jafar and save Princess Alina.
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Fair enough. Pretty straightforward. That's the plot. Yeah, that's the plot. I don't know if I'd say that's what the movie is, but that's the plot, definitely. That is the plot. it It doesn't take into account the...
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huge amount of homoeroticism that happens throughout the movie. never No, no, no, no, no. That's, that's purely aesthetic. This is just what's going to happen. Yes.
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Now, Andy, when I asked you to come on the show, you had Sinbad of the seven seas right off the top of your dome. Yeah. i ah That's always a good sign in my book. Now, what is your history with Sinbad of the seven seas?
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What do you love about it? Give me your big picture. ah Big picture. Well, my friends and i back in New York, we used to watch this a lot. It was in rotation. We loved bad movies. We'd just get like high, ridiculously high. I don't get high anymore because ah i get a little paranoid because I'm old.
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Fair enough. It was, ah but it was a movie that we just watch regularly. ah And there's so many things about It, it was in like the rotation with Rotar or Rotar or Rotor.
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Okay. have I've heard the title, but I haven't watched it. Is that, is that an acronym? R O T O R? Yes. el R O T O R. Yes. Oh my God. You can write that down. You guys got to, if you do that one,
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you have We'll bring you back. like yeah yeah yeah But that movie, it has like a lot of similarities, surprisingly. Okay. One of which is that the female bodybuilder is introduced but very late into the movie.
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Yeah. Wonderful. That is distinctive. That's a ah small club. Yeah, it's... ah But it was just a movie we always thought was funny, and we always had a good time just watching it.
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It became like an ongoing bit between me and my two friends, Curtis and
Niche Culture of Bad Movies
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John. we would do this bit where... ah You know, we were improv-y people and we like music. So one of the things we did regularly was ah we would just do the Entertainment Tonight theme.
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and then we would there's a part in this movie that i love and for a while we were miss saying it but the part with the the female bodybuilder sucra sucra she shows up and she's like you are jealous and you know it jafar And the way she delivers that line, I don't even think she says, i think she goes, you know it.
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But we added Jafar, and then it became the Entertainment Tonight theme, which is, and you know it, Jafar, da-da-da-da, and you know it, Jafar. it just became kind of a thing if we ever got into like an argument like and like you were proven wrong and you're like and you know it's a far but it became like a regular thing no that is a great in joke that is a great language i and it's just one of those movies that it and i think you know like ah
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There's like the troll... We love Troll 2 and all those. Yeah, it's of course. This movie in particular always had a special place because so few people know about and it wasn't as widely accepted.
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And i Troll 2 is a better bad movie than this. It's more watchable and there's more moments in Troll 2 that are like consistent throughout the whole thing, which I think is a really great bad movie.
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This has, I'll admit... the reason why it hasn't risen to the fame that it should is that it has parts of it. There are a real slog. Yeah. Yeah, yeah definitely.
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hit or miss. I'm going to say, but I still think there's so many great moments in this. And there is something, there's something special about a bad movie when it's your bad movie. Yeah. Yeah. You can't claim troll too, but you Andy can claim Sinbad of the seven seas.
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This is your jam. Yeah. Well, the I mean, my friends, Curtis and John at the time, ah they had a whole I think maybe ah Gregory may have known about it at UCB.
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They had a. The guy the guy that was in Troll 2, the guy that played Joshua, he made a documentary, Best Worst Movie. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we and talked about it a little bit. We did an episode on Troll 2.
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Yeah, and they did he did a documentary, and my friends Curtis and John got to be in it because they brought it to the UCB in New York.
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And I was like, oh my god, this would be so great if this became like a trend where like different comedians can bring a bad movie to the zeitgeist.
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and It only really happened with Troll 2.
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But it was... ah but it like and i didn't this like Curtis and John introduced it to me, but like it kind of became like kind of like very privately for me in my head.
Character and Casting Discussions
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I think it's like it's kind of that like nice honeymoon phase. where i think when Remember when Austin Powers came out? Oh, yeah. I'll never forget the summer Austin Powers came out. It's important because when it came out on cable,
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It really felt like when you everybody was watching out on cable, like everybody was like, oh, this is like an in-joke for us. like Austin Powers is a movie. like but And then like you didn't realize that everybody was doing that.
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like every And then like that that's the reason it became popular. This, for me, this is like... it's still for me yeah like because it's not as widely accepted because so yeah, it's that I liked it before it was cool phenomenon. Right. but I don't know what I, so I'm, I'm, but I'm also ready after your show with its cache. for sure. It takes this movie to that. You're going to 15 new friends. Just you waited.
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Greg, had you seen this one before? No, I thought I knew what it was. and then I saw like the poster and was just like, oh, no, I'm just confusing this with some other...
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sort of sword and sorcery or sword and sandal movie that I have in my brain. Maybe Jason and the Argonauts. I'm not entirely certain. ah Were you picturing motion skeletons? Yeah, I think is what it was. And so like when they got to the Isle of Death, I was maybe this is the part I was thinking of. Jason and the Argonauts. This is not...
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The Sinbad story. I think it would have been improved with Skellington's. I mean, i mean Ray Harryhausen's stop-motion animation is like amazing.
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i never... could sit through all of Jason and the Argonauts, and I'm sorry, I love stop motion, but it's little it's a little dull. yeah But ah for me... I don't know if I've actually seen Jason and the Argonauts, oddly enough. I just had that in my brain. is I was like, oh yeah, we're going to see that. I totally don't blame you. It's kind of that thing where movies start to blend together. yeah You see stuff.
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But once you see this, I feel like you... You don't forget this one. yeah Yeah, it does. Like, even though I told you, those have its boring moments and it's a slog.
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It does have a lot of memorable stuff in it. Oh, yes well yeah That's burned in your memory, whether you liked it or not. I'm never going to forget the Legion of Death. I know that much.
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Yeah. Yes. Well, I had never ah seen this one before either. I was never a big Sinbad guy. i was never a big Lou Ferrigno guy. I was never into the whole, I was a complete tabula rasa on this one.
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Other than having done my context research before I watched it do you guys want to hear my context research? ah Yeah. I remember you, I want to mention two things, please. One, you said that the director of this,
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There's actually two credited on IMDb. Yes. You said you did a one of their movies before this. Yes. Contamination. He was first returning director, Luigi Cozzi.
00:11:29
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I picked Contamination. It's one of my favorites. So i was very excited to see another movie by this guy. Okay. i And boy, were you disappointed. don't know.
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yeah Some of the DNA was there in a sense. Yeah, you could see some overlap. I don't mean to pull back the curtain too much, but when you do your context in the plot summary stuff, are we allowed to interject? who are you this Yes, absolutely. Please do.
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Okay. Yeah. So context. Yes. Let's play the context bumper.
Production Insights and Challenges
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I like that it's sexy.
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i like that it's sexy Thank you. That's of course it is. That's my wife singing. Now, ah Sinbad of the Seven Seas came out in 1989. It was directed by Enzo G. Castellari and, of course, our first ever returning director, Luigi Cosi.
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It had the tagline, he must conquer evil on land and at sea, a magical adventure. and Okay. Not a great tagline. And we did this last week. Maybe this is something that we can keep up. Can you guys come up with a better tagline? Top of your head.
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I still, I mean, I have to just go with my old in bit, which is, you know it, Jafar. You know it, Jafar is a great tagline. I would be very curious if I saw a movie that had the tagline, you know it, Jafar.
00:13:30
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Greg, you got one? Nothing off the top of my head. feel like I should. It's all right. I got Sinbad. so good Yeah.
00:13:41
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No, that's great. right And it's him. And he's looking at the right of the the viewer, the audience, and he's winking it's great yeah over his shoulder. Shortly after Luigi Cozzi finished Contamination, he went on to direct a pair of sword and sandal films, his first sword and sandal films.
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Those were Hercules and the Adventures of Hercules, both produced by Menachem Golan, director of the Apple from episode 26. I need to see both of these movies. You've never seen the Apple?
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No, we've covered the Apple. ah Oh, I love the Apple. So I need to see the producer director together. Yeah, on on Hercules and the Adventures of Hercules. And he also, of course, Menachem Golan and Canon Films produced yeah Sinbad of the Seven Seas.
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Now, of course, Hercules and the Adventures of Hercules also starred Lou Ferrigno, who was in the Canon Stable of Stars at the time. Now, ah Golan and Canon films wanted another sword and sandals picture.
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So they pitched cozy on doing Sinbad specifically an adaptation of Edgar Allen pose, the thousand and second tale of Scheherazade. Uh, so cozy wrote a script and,
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But at this point, Canon was really only able to fund one Italian production at a time. And so they put this project on the back burner and Cozy went to work in the visual effects department on Dario Argento's Phenomenon.
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Okay. All right. Now I have to say this movie also kind of predates Wes Anderson. Is it Wes Anderson? In the way that it has, I feel like it has multiple storytellers. It's like, first it's our grandpa.
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Then it's the mom reading the story to the kid. And it's just like, there's so many layers of storytellers telling the story. There's a lot of, meta narrative and it's a Metro Shka doll.
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And i I thought that was just added at the end because they lost audio for scenes and they were like, well, might as well put some narration in there to say what was happening.
00:15:49
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Well, Andy, your instincts are closer than you might suspect. But, and I also felt like they wanted, and they also slapped on Edgar and Poe.
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That way they didn't have to be. I really thought that that was a thing done At the end, not at the outset. Yes, I thought they did that to kind of cover up the idea that it doesn't look exactly like any specific time period or bad.
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i Like why there's plexiglass in this time period. And lasers for some reason. Or beams. They're like, well, you know, M. Poe, he was known for being sci-fi-ish, right?
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He's like a sci-fi guy. He's a fantabulist. Yeah, he did fantastical things, right? Am I thinking the right guy? and Let's just go with that. Okay.
Narrative Structure and Style Comparisons
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Now, ah once Cozy committed to Phenomenon, Cannon decided maybe instead of a movie, they could take this idea and they'd do Sinbad as a TV series for children.
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Okay. That's when they brought on the film's other credited director, Enzo Castellari, and they got Ferrigno on board. Castellari had been directing ah for roughly 20 years at this point.
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ah He directed a lot of Westerns and war movies, ah probably the most famous of which was the original The Inglorious Bastards.
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Castellari expanded Luigi Cozi's original script into four hour-long children's television episodes, which he then directed. Now, at some point they decided they were going to turn it back into a movie and not be ah like a Power Rangers.
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So Castellari, he combines all the footage that he shot into one three hour long movie that was allegedly unwatchably bad. Okay.
00:17:47
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I could believe that. I could believe that. If this, if I saw the runtime in this, if I was a half hour in and I was like, how long is this going to be? And it's like, oh, this is going three hours. I would have sent you a message, Andy. Be like, we can't do this.
00:17:59
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you got to pick them also kind of felt like they wanted to ape off of conan and they oh for sure oh yeah they they wanted to do conan uh with the woman and being seduced they're like oh let's like spice it up a little bit because i don't think that would be because i don't know what this movie's who it's like kind of for if it feels like it should be for kids at certain parts yeah like oh definitely him being seduced by the queen character is so weird.
00:18:30
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Yep. Well, keep in mind, it's also being made by Italians. Yes. They're like, Italians, like, are either the greatest filmmakers or they're like... Yeah, they're perverts.
00:18:43
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Or they just don't know what they're doing. Yeah. Anyway. Well, so Luigi Cozy gets called back in at this point where to fix this three-hour cut.
00:18:56
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Boy. They give him a limited budget. I saw something like a half million dollars. Jesus. for ah For reshoots. ah So Cozy agrees.
00:19:07
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So he adds the Princess Bride-inspired framing narrative with the mom and the daughter. Okay. That makes sense. That makes sense. That allows him to add in narration to cut down through large portions of plot and just have mom say, this is what they're saying to each other. This is where he's going now.
00:19:25
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And boom, boom, boom. Now, of a sudden you have four hour long adventure television shows condensed into one 93 minute movie. This makes everything make a lot more sense now in particular with the four, one hour episodes.
00:19:41
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Yeah. Yes. It is very much structured like the opening miniseries of GI Joe, where it's like you need to go to the five different continents to get the four pieces of the machine. And, you know, it has that exact same yeah like fetch quest structure.
00:19:57
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Yes. It's ah essentially that last Star Wars movie they did. Yeah. were They had to go get a thing to get a thing. Yeah, it's a classic structure.
00:20:09
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The Golden Fleece, as it were. Instead of one MacGuffin, you get five MacGuffins and you use them to build the thing. And it's That's what I always want in a movie is that I want to see...
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The characters go for numerous things. I want chartable progress. I want them to get one of them in a jungle. want another one getting from the Arctic. I want one in the desert, one in bottom of the ocean.
00:20:33
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It needs to all be, yeah, they need to get them. I don't know why, really. matter. It doesn't matter. Just as many MacGuffins as possible. Yeah. Because why not?
Reception and Cultural Impact
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Yeah. America loves MacGuffins. That's what we're saying to you, Hollywood. Bring back MacGuffins. Please. More just pointless MacGuffins. Now, as you might imagine, critics and audiences were not kind to Sinbad of the Seven Seas. What? Damn shame.
00:21:01
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ah The film does have its defenders, though. Ferrigno claims it was one of his favorites in his career. And we'll take a look at his career a little bit later.
00:21:13
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ah John Wilson, founder of the the hated Razzie Awards, did include it in his official Razzie movie guide as one of the 100 most enjoyable bad movies ever made.
00:21:24
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So it does have fans out there in the bad movie community. Yes. Now, just to put a thing in its place, other adventure films of 1989. What else, if you were looking for an adventure, could you find in the box office that year?
00:21:39
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You got Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. Okay.
00:21:45
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More in common than the different. When you think about it. The Abyss. James Cameron's The Abyss. Yeah. that's
00:21:56
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Batman.
00:22:00
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you got You got Tim Burton's Batman. yeah yeah License to Kill for the Bond heads. You still got Dalton hanging in there.
00:22:12
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And if you wanted something closer to swords and sorcery, you've got Eric, the Viking and Tarzan in Manhattan. Tarzan in Manhattan. a Yes.
00:22:24
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Not familiar personally. No, I can't say I know that one. Maybe I'll see if I can track that one down, put that on my list. But yeah, you can see that the the genre had largely gone fallow at this point. It was not in vogue.
00:22:39
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Yes. It's also, i always love hearing about the movies that were the contemporaries at the time, because you're like, wait, they had technology to do this, but not yeah do, like, yeah.
00:22:53
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As soon as you said Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, I was like, there's no way that these two movies were filmed within, like, 10 years of each other. Like, this doesn't seem possible to me. But obviously it was.
00:23:04
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Yeah. Yeah. It turns out, uh, money can help you make better art. everyone let's that's learn That's always the depressing thing about liking and doing bad movie stuff is always,
00:23:18
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Finding out, you're like, oh, man, money. Wow. Yeah. Really helpful, it turns out. I do like Lou Ferrigno in general. Because he there's like tips stories where he like he always says, like he tips when he tips, he write writes on his bill, he writes, I always tip 110%. And he always gives the waiter or waitress the whatever the meal costs to end plus 10%. That's awesome.
00:23:45
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Wow. Yeah. like I think he's good... I don't know. I don't want to like. Yeah. I think he might have some weird politics, but i don't know. i He's not shoving them in my face. so Yeah. And he's like, ah he's deaf.
00:24:00
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Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know that. Which is interesting because Mark Ruffalo is deaf in one ear Luke Ferrigno is deaf and it's two people who play golf. Yeah.
00:24:14
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Yeah. So there you go. I'm deaf in one ear. They should make me the next Bruce Banner. Are you? ah Yeah, deaf in my right ear. Oh my God, I'm sorry. Eh, eh.
00:24:26
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You know, it could be worse. I could be deaf in two ears. I'm about 10 years ago. It's because I have Meniere's disease. Oh. Deep lore for the fans. Yeah. How you say it?
00:24:38
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Yeah, Meniere's. It gave me really bad vertigo. i had to give up smoking, which was probably good. It was definitely good that I gave up smoking. but They mispronounced like when the first guys who had the case of it, he's like, what's the matter? He's like, Meniere's!
00:24:55
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My Meniere's was hurting me! Oh, Meniere's! And he's like, hey, that's what we're going to call this thing. It's Meniere's Syndrome. Makes sense. You guys want to talk about the plot of this movie? We got a lot of it. Oh, yes. Let's talk about it.
Plot Summary and Key Scenes
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Plot bumper, listen to me. I'm gonna give you the plot summary. Come on, baby. Here's the synopsis.
00:25:41
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Plot bumper, plot bumper.
00:25:53
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Can I just say, i I didn't expect to be on such a fucking classy show. Thank you. Thank you. You know, they buy the steak, but we sell the sizzle. Yes.
00:26:04
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So we open on a picture of Edgar Allan Poe and a crawl explaining that this movie is based on a short Sinbad story that Poe wrote. This is not true. Yeah, it's also, it's such a wonderful promise at the outset of this It's like, this is based, this is a Sinbad Poe story. It's like, okay, you've got my attention, film. Let's do it. We're ready to get dark and mysterious and spooky. really. None of those things, turns out. I mean, there's ghosts.
00:26:33
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There's snakes. Yeah, don't know. Yeah, though there's certainly snakes. You don't remember Poe's famous story, The Scary Snake? yeah None the dialogue is written the eloquent prose that Poe used. It's true.
00:26:50
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o used or it's true Not a romantic bone in the body of any of these dogs. Hey, you know what, though? If I'm going to read a bedtime story to my child, I'm going to make it the Edgar Allen Poe version of anything. Exactly. Speaking of reading a bedtime story to a child, we cut to a little girl's bedroom where her mother is going to read her the story of Sinbad.
00:27:13
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She doesn't, in fact, read, but more or less seems to narrate it from memory. And she'll be narrating the rest of the film a lot. yeah yeah I'm going to say mom's narration is brutal in this. I think when you talk about it being a slog, it is mom's narration that is doing it. It is nonstop.
00:27:34
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My favorite thing, though, in Mom's narration is at one point she's like, all right, calm down. yeah i me Let me finish. I'm talking. I'm trying to tell you a fucking story.
00:27:46
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yeah but Every now and then the daughter will be like, but is Sinbad gonna die? and Yeah. and She always answers it really matter-of-factly. It's just like, we're just gonna have to find out, aren't we?
00:27:58
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Well, she has that very flat affect of the like typical voice actress that dubs over English for um Italian films. And it's just like very sort of like breathy and like now little Angelina, you must be quiet so I can finish my story. ri And it's just like that.
00:28:17
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The other funny thing about the, if you look at the setting, that room The room that the little girl is sleeping in, it looks like she's in front of fireplace.
00:28:28
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And they just put like a blanket backdrop kind of thing. It was not a bedroom. It's not very well. like I mean, they only had half a million dollars. Yeah, they can only shoot in my apartment for so much. That's right.
00:28:44
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Wherever you can do it as fast as possible. Yeah. And pocket the rest of that money. Mm-hmm. So Mom quickly introduces us to Sinbad and his crew of ragtag sailors, some by name, some of them just by ethnicity.
00:29:00
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The narrator also introduces the Caliph, ah who is the monarch of Basra, the city where this is all taking place, and his evil viseer Jafar, who you might remember from the movie Aladdin.
00:29:12
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And then there's also the Caliph's beautiful daughter, Alina, which is my mother's name. I have to say, the Caliph and Jafar really do look like Disney's characters, I feel. Very much so. they like I'm not saying that Disney ripped off this. Yeah.
00:29:33
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They totally ripped off them. yeah I mean, they're probably both just being very faithful to A Thousand and One Nights is my guess. Yes. Oh, by the way, did you know that in the description, there's no real description of Sinbad that says that he's completely jacked or anything. anything He's just a regular sailor guy.
00:29:55
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Pictures of him in like old text is like, just a regular guy. I don't know why he needs to be ripped. Well, he is an action movie hero. You know, it's like, there's no reason why the guy in end of days needs to be built like Schwarzenegger. He just is.
00:30:13
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Yes, that's right. That's fine. But moving on. yeah I mean, he is, he is ripped to shit in this movie. He sure is. That vest does not fit him.
00:30:24
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No, nothing would fit him. That's why vests were invented then. It's because everybody was in the room. Yeah. They were just swole. Alina is being described as being as beautiful as a rose before we cut to a still image of a rose in the arguably the most Italian moment of the film.
00:30:43
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Uh, mom explains that Sinbad is ah finally returning ah to his hometown of Basra and his crewmate Ali will be marrying the beautiful Alina. Wait a minute. Hey, shouldn't the main character Sinbad be the person that's married to or going to get married to the, uh, the beautiful princess.
00:31:02
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Not in this particular picture. Not in this particular picture. Okay. Okay. all That's fine. That's fine. So he's there's a twist in the tail. Yeah. Okay. So he's adjacently, did you ever play, ah Oh, there was this weird video game.
00:31:14
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it was like Double Dragon. Sorry. But I always thought this was really funny. There was like ah video game where you could play this guy and you have to fight through Like it's a fight and scroll game where you beat people. yeah beat them up I think it's called final fight.
00:31:29
Speaker
Okay, sure. And and ah youre you can be the guy and you can beat up all all these other dudes or you can be this gigantic like huge Lou Ferrigno guy. oh yeah that's yeah That's the father of the girl that's kidnapped that you have to rescue. And then the guy you can be is the guy that is That's his girlfriend.
00:31:48
Speaker
okay But there's a third player, which is just the friend of the guy. and I was just like, kind of has a little less stake in the matter. You're just being supportive. Yeah. you know And there's nothing wrong with support.
00:32:02
Speaker
No, that's fine, but I feel like getting the tar whipped out of you... Well... I think there would be a certain point you would just be like, uh... Listen, bro, you gotta finish this up.
00:32:13
Speaker
Yeah, I'm not gonna get laid out of this. This isn't my business anymore. I'm out of quarters.
00:32:20
Speaker
Now, Jafar is very upset by all this. So he casts a spell to put a curse on all of Basra, gives it all bad vibes. yeah but When the Caliph asks Jafar about what it should be doing about this curse situation, Jafar hypnotizes the Caliph and becomes the de facto ruler of Basra.
00:32:39
Speaker
He also orders the Caliph to order Alina to marry him, but Alina refuses. Why would he need to hypnotize everybody if he can just rule over everyone? That's a good question.
00:32:51
Speaker
You know, he doesn't seem to be thinking two steps ahead and at any other time. Jafar, he's more reactive than proactive, I think. I think that's fair. and Okay.
00:33:02
Speaker
ah So Sinbad and the boys, they pull up to the harbor, expecting a hero's welcome, but there's nobody there because the whole city is cursed. Sinbad makes a beeline for the palace to see what's up, and we finally get to spend some time with the big man, Sinbad.
00:33:17
Speaker
What do you guys think about Sinbad in this movie? Obviously jacked. He's amazing. He's great. He's the hero we need at this time. He's a sailor.
00:33:28
Speaker
He's a good friend to help, you know, everything. He's a little vain because he's like, how come everybody's not here? you're loving me. my Yeah. He's just like, well, I normally, when we get back, everyone's like shitting their pants on how great I am. But yeah. Yeah.
00:33:45
Speaker
There's nobody. It's like they didn't want to pay a whole bunch of extras to do this scene. whatever. It's really strange. I was really surprised by some of his abilities as the time goes on. Like in particular, when he's like talking to the snakes, it's like, how? I was very surprised. What is what is this now? How is this happening?
00:34:04
Speaker
I'd like to think that a lot of other movies stole from this. I think it stole Aladdin. This Harry Potter stole the apostle mouth thing. yeah um um i think there's a lot going on in this movie that,
00:34:17
Speaker
I think everyone's just stealing and no one's giving them credit. And I'm here to say they did it first. There's a lot of imitators, but there's only one originator and it's Lou Ferrigno. That's right.
00:34:28
Speaker
The original Sinbad. the inspiration for the character Sinbad. Yes. I thought it was very weird. I, it took me a while because he doesn't do his own dialogue in this. Someone else provides the voice. Uh, and because he has a very noticeable deaf accent, if you hear him speaking in his natural voice, but the guy that was the voice, I recognize the voice and I couldn't put my finger on where Bill Bixby.
00:34:58
Speaker
i No, it was, i don't know his name and I'm sure other people out there do. He's the same guy that was the voice for vampire hunter D in the English dub of vampire hunter D. Oh,
00:35:10
Speaker
And then later on, I recognized the guy that was the voice of Ahmed, part of Sinbad's crew. He was the voice of one of the Zendradi from Robotech, because I can clearly hear his voice saying the word proto-culture.
00:35:25
Speaker
And only people in Robotech said proto-culture. So that's my big takeaway. I have nothing against item anime, but I just tuned out everything that was just said.
00:35:38
Speaker
Yeah, because I don't follow any of that, but I recognize those were anime. All right. And if you like that thing, hey man, that's cool. I just don't know it.
00:35:51
Speaker
Brother, if you need a place to start, Vampire Hunter D and Robotech are two great ones. Now, Sinbad busts into the palace, but before he can do too much, Jafar takes the Caliph hostage and triggers a trapdoor, sending Sinbad down into the dungeons.
00:36:07
Speaker
Sinbad's boys come out to rescue him, but they all get captured and they get brought down to the torture chamber. andre all about to be tortured in various terrible ways when Sinbad frees himself using a rope that he has made from tying together venomous dungeon snakes that he first convinced to let him do this.
00:36:25
Speaker
Yeah. I also want to say that he, like one point is just like, just calm down. This isn't going to hurt. It's like, you're going to tie that snake's head around that other snake's tail, and then you're going to make them weight bearing and you don't look very light.
00:36:38
Speaker
Now you're going to tear these snakes in half. Oh yeah. I would just like to also note that this moment was stolen by Indiana Jones in The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull when Mutt Williams throws Indiana Jones the snake as a rope to get him out of the quicksand. But he hates snakes.
00:36:56
Speaker
But he hates snakes. Wow. I still prefer the usage of rope s snakes in this movie. Although it does make me feel very uncomfortable when they are clearly rubber snakes when he is tying them all together.
00:37:11
Speaker
yeah I'm willing to sit through certain things when like the animal guidelines who weren't in place as strong as they are now. But there is something, yeah for some reason, this does still strike me...
00:37:26
Speaker
as wrong. Yeah. It does feel very abusive. It does feel like a bad example for the kids. You know, it's, it's also weird. Cause it's like a very much a cartoon moment that makes sense in a cartoon.
00:37:41
Speaker
But then when you try to render it in a realistic looking 3d environment, it's like, Oh, this is weird. Actually. Like I feel kind of uncomfortable by this imagery actually. Yes. I don't, if you have young listeners, I imagine you do.
00:37:55
Speaker
Oh, I think our average listener age is 11. Okay. So you share the stats. Okay, good. ah Can you please do not tie snakes together? Don't do that.
00:38:06
Speaker
Don't do that. it is it It'll probably kill the snake. And also, if you are trying to use a rope snake out of a bunch of snakes, there's a good chance by the time you actually latched it to whatever edge that you want to climb up, you're going to fall and hurt yourself.
00:38:24
Speaker
you know the Nobody wants that. Snakes are not indestructible. they're yeah They're organic matter. And yeah they would probably rip them. Even if you're a very skinny kid.
00:38:38
Speaker
It's true. you you You probably rip a snake. Don't do it. so don't you might want to Don't do it because you're going to get hurt. It's so tempting, though. I know.
00:38:49
Speaker
I bet I could do it. I'm going to go buy 10 snakes at the snake store. Just make sure they're poisonous. Just make sure they're poisonous. You've always been thin. It's true.
00:39:01
Speaker
I'm not as thin as I was 20 years ago. I'll say that. But I feel like maybe. and don't know. Well, anyway. I guess we'll find out. ah Now, listeners, all you need to do is mail me one snake apiece, and I'll have plenty.
00:39:18
Speaker
Now, ah he ah is able to escape. He fights the assorted to jailers. One of them wraps a chain around his chest. I would have gone for the throat, but this guy goes for the chest, which allows Sinbad to burst a chain open with his mighty pectoral muscles. and While his friends watch.
00:39:39
Speaker
Yeah, and his friends are all like, yes, sin, bad, rules. They're all like kind of like getting turned on, I feel. i Well, I mean, it is if you saw something of this pure sexual magnetism happening before you, it would be inevitable. I mean, it is physical expression.
00:39:57
Speaker
I'm only saying it because I was turned on. That's that's fair. yeah You're projecting, but you're projecting appropriately. Yeah, I'm projecting because I was totally turned on by this bulging muscles.
00:40:09
Speaker
in its I remember looking on IMDb and it said that the director's like trademark is that he loves slow motion. Yeah, no, that makes a lot of sense. That's true, yeah. Yeah, that checks out. and i When I saw that, I was like, he...
00:40:25
Speaker
he picked a really great moment for some slow motion. sure Yeah. You really get to linger on these oiled up biceps and he's wrestling with a guy who's grabbing him
Character Dynamics and Performances
00:40:37
Speaker
from behind. It's great. yeah The guy that's wrestling him is as ripped as he is.
00:40:42
Speaker
Well, He's pretty ripped. He's ripped. But I mean, Lou Ferrigno was like consistently second place to Arnold Schwarzenegger. like There are very few people who are as ripped as Lou Ferrigno is. That is true.
00:40:55
Speaker
But here's my brother for the best the way my other favorite part of that scene of the jailbreak scene, as I call it, from the torture chamber dungeon, is that I like...
00:41:07
Speaker
you know, Lou comes down. i mean, Sinbad Sinbad comes down. He starts cleaning house. He like throws one guy into the iron maiden throws a guy into the piranha tank, you know, ye and like one of the things about movies in general is that you kind of want some level of variation, but you know, there's another guy in the piranha tank.
00:41:26
Speaker
He does throw at least three guys into the piranha tank. If it works, it works. Yeah. Like it's at some point the her piranhas get full. Unfortunately, it just floats there. to give up.
00:41:42
Speaker
It's, it's strange because it did make me realize and appreciate good, choreography fight choreography. Oh, yeah. And how important it is when you do like fights that you can't just do the same thing.
00:41:57
Speaker
No, you gotta mix it up. You gotta mix it up. You gotta give it like something different. You can't just have... like oh yeah he just then Then he shoots him the same way he did the other.
00:42:07
Speaker
and then is she yeah This movie would have been better if Sinbad just had a small pistol. Gosh. Bam! Bam! Be a good time.
00:42:19
Speaker
Now, Poochie the Dwarf, one of the members of the crew that was not captured, finds Princess Alina unconscious in Jafar's giant brainwashing machine that appears completely ahistorical.
00:42:32
Speaker
Yeah. Does not fit the aesthetic of Basra. It's very sci-fi. it's very sci-fi It's very sci-fi. It's very Flash Gordon sci-fi, i want to say. Like, 80s Flash Gordon.
00:42:43
Speaker
It's not even steampunk. its No. It's, like, clearly Lucite and filled with, like, colored liquid. Yes. I think that's what the why they said Edgar Allan Poe.
00:42:55
Speaker
Yeah, because that guy loved Lucite. It's true. Jafar needs Alina to fall in love with him. for his plan. And he also needs to destroy several sacred general.
00:43:06
Speaker
It's all a little bit confusing. So he has the whole city under his spell and yes the the leader under his spell. Yes. He needs to marry Alia. Okay.
00:43:20
Speaker
Just check. Yes. Yes. but let himhow I mean, might as well make it legal. It's true. You can't just... yeah you you got ah Because you can't expect this situation last to last forever. You've got to reach for legitimacy.
00:43:35
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. What if they want to vote me out? No, they can't. again Not once I'm married to Alina. Because I'll put my soul into my own son who will become the next caliph.
00:43:49
Speaker
Yeah. That sounds like something he'd do. Yeah. Now, ah Sinbad knows how he can get this cleared up. He needs to go talk to the Oracle. Now, Jafar's clairvoyant magics keep him abreast of what's going on.
00:44:04
Speaker
So he prays to the Lord of the Underworld to send a ghost ship after Sinbad. The crew fights the ghosts on the ghost ship, and the most kick-ass moment of the entire movie happens when Sinbad punches the ghost captain through his chest and rips out his bizarrely anthropomorphic heart before crushing it barehanded.
00:44:27
Speaker
Yeah. That part's really good. That part's incredible. I got to say, this is the Legion of Death. This is what I was talking about. I love the moment where they're like, it's the Legion of Death. And then it's just these crazy guys in these robes with these masks on, just holding like machetes above their head. And they do that while everyone reacts to them and they don't do anything. They just stand there.
00:44:51
Speaker
with his lives above their head for a long time. And then they get into it. And I love the Legion of Death. i love it. You're like, yeah, this, this seems great. I can't wait to see it. All the other times that they go to any other location. and they yeah play And it'll also be in slow motion again.
00:45:08
Speaker
Well, after they get past the Legion of Death, the Oracle tells Sinbad where to find the four magic generals that he needs. One is on the aisle of warrior women. Two of them are located on the Eye of the Dead.
00:45:22
Speaker
And ah the last one can be found if Sinbad follows the next swallow that he sees. He must see one. They don't show it to the camera, but the next thing we know, he's swimming towards Skull Island.
00:45:37
Speaker
okay there There he fights a giant rock monster. He should have fought King Kong if he goes to school. would have been much better. yeah i mean if he have The rock monster, not very well designed, I'm going to say. No, no, no, no. no I felt bad for that guy.
00:45:54
Speaker
Yeah. But it was a hot day for him. It was a hot day for him. He can't do much. No. And, yeah. that That is like...
00:46:06
Speaker
That is a scene in the movie where you're like a little, your mind has gone numb. Yeah. A little bit. Mostly because the score The score in this is really great. I'm glad you brought up the score. The score is like really does.
00:46:25
Speaker
like lull you into unhappiness. Like I had the opposite reaction. I love the score in this. I thought it was really exciting. Synth. It kind of reminded me of goblin, but like obviously a little cheaper than goblin.
00:46:40
Speaker
yeah but i don't know i just remember the rock monster where it's just like barr no yeah i'm gonna give brown all give it to you the rock monster scene score was not one that i was tapping my toes to when i left ah But I did enjoy the part where Sinbad punched the rock monster's head off and then he picked up the head and threw the head at the rock monster.
00:47:12
Speaker
That was great stuff. Sinbad snatches his first general. We're off to the next general. Up next, he lands on the Isle of the Amazons.
00:47:25
Speaker
Sinbad warns his compatriots that the queen of the Amazons is, quote, a mind vampire. Yes, and she can suck a man's will away if you're not careful.
00:47:37
Speaker
It's true. She can do that. ah It turns out he was 100% correct about this, because not long after they land, the entire crew gets captured, and Sinbad is in the loving arms of the Queen of the Amazons.
00:47:53
Speaker
Luckily, Sinbad's two least competent crew members, Ahmed the chef and Poochie the dwarf, stayed on the ship for just such an occasion. Back in Basra, Jafar invites over his friend, Sucra.
00:48:10
Speaker
I love Sucra. i love so She's great. I love Sucra too. She's another sorcerer like Jafar, but she does not use any magical abilities.
00:48:22
Speaker
She's mostly just a blonde lady in a leather bikini who is clearly a bodybuilder. Yeah. yeah And she's got a lot of great attitude. I love Sucra.
00:48:32
Speaker
I love Sucra. the best. um I just, I really do love when movies are like, oh Did you think you met all the great characters in this? Oh, yeah.
00:48:45
Speaker
Here you go. No, because it's absolutely dynamite. it's She's incredible. Now, I said to my wife that Sucra and Jafar reminded me of like when there's only two queer people in a town. And so they have to be friends, but they don't actually really like each other other than wise. But that's why they hang out.
00:49:05
Speaker
They had that kind of relationship. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I loved it. Yeah, it was great. I mean, they she is like literally probably the best part of the movie. I would agree with that.
00:49:16
Speaker
Yeah. yeah I wish she did more. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe she would have if the TV series got picked up. Yeah. It turns out she's been in eight things. I intend to watch all of them.
00:49:28
Speaker
Yeah. Played by an actress with the mononym Tegan, if I recall correctly. Yeah. she And she married someone really wealthy, I think. thats Good for her. Yeah.
00:49:39
Speaker
yeah She, um I think she would like kind of played like a carrot. She was like, I think she's in a Beverly Hills cop movie. peace I think that makes sense. Eddie, like where Axel Foley goes in and has to lie to the gym.
00:49:55
Speaker
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah and like Perfect. And then like somebody like realizes he's lying. You're like, Hey, what are you doing here? He's like, Oh, I gotta go. runs I think you described literally every scene in every Beverly Hills cop movie. Sounds about right.
00:50:11
Speaker
I just love the, I just love the thing that no one ever, I kind of wish that's what Axel F should have been. It was just like, you don't need to lie. like You don't need to make up anything.
00:50:25
Speaker
but i just want to get but I mean, i could just Google it. The information you're looking for. All right. Yeah. He just, he feels more comfortable when he's lying. no let minute but Now, now that we introduced Succaro, I mean,
00:50:38
Speaker
i mean Is she important to the story? ah No, Sukra does not interact with anyone but Jafar and pretty much just teases him. And she even tries to, like, get involved and then doesn't.
00:50:53
Speaker
But she and Jafar, they do watch Sinbad on Jafar's magic TV. And much to their consternation, they see Poojie break the Amazon Queen's spell. He snatches her magical gemerald and the queen turns from a beautiful young black woman into an old lady in blackface.
00:51:12
Speaker
yeah That was kind of weird. Yeah. yeah Jafar is very upset. He's very much against blackface. So he summons up the Windsor.
00:51:24
Speaker
This is messed up! Why am I in this movie? Why did she do that? Jafar, I honestly, honest you guys being fans of the Apple, I honestly thought like the guy that played Mr. Boogaloo...
00:51:38
Speaker
I mean, he's very, and like, I feel like, like the character of Mr. Boogalow, like Jafar and this is embedded in that movie in a way that no one else is.
00:51:48
Speaker
Like he's like, I am in this picture. and everyone else is like, yeah, I'm in the movie. And he's like, no, i am in Basrat. And it's just like, he's, he's going for it. The interesting thing about the guy who played Mr. Boogalow, I think he was like a,
00:52:03
Speaker
WW2 refugee. like he was he was He was Israeli. I know that. okay yeah He had to escape a camp, I think. and okay yeah hes like totally teachers actually yeah He's a total badass.
00:52:16
Speaker
No vape with Mr. Boogalow. He was a standout. I also just want to note that Jafar also is... um i haven't seen it in a while, but I feel like...
00:52:31
Speaker
I feel like the Monarch character in Venture Brothers. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I could see that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like they had to kind of loosely base it. I think i thought that character is good in Venture Brothers, and I and i know they're characters on something else usually, but it is a... I could see that.
00:52:51
Speaker
100%. But anyway, but I'm not going to say they stole it. No, no. I mean, let's face it. Let's face Let's call a spade a spade. They stole it. Yeah, they stole it. They took it. They stole it.
00:53:05
Speaker
Now, Jafar is very upset. So he summons up the winds of destruction, which blow the cruise boat to the Isle of Death, which was ironically where they were going anyway.
00:53:19
Speaker
ah Perfect. Perfect. Yeah. Now, uh, the Isle of Dead is this sort of, bombed out wasteland covered with empty suits of armor that soon come to life and start fighting our heroes.
00:53:33
Speaker
I gotta say watching a horse move out, like rise up out of the ground in slow motion was a pretty, pretty powerful thing. Oddly, you know, really impressive sequence.
00:53:46
Speaker
It is impressive. The horse shot was very disturbing. I was like, this horse is freaking out. Oh, yeah. because there's also vari's also that yeah there's There's also that. I felt bad for the horse.
00:53:57
Speaker
To be honest, I kind of forgot about that. I guess that one is actual real animal abuse. Yes. Those snakes got off easy. Now, Jafar quickly realizes that Sinbad's real strength is friendship.
Adventure and Conflict Resolution
00:54:11
Speaker
So he uses his magic to teleport Sinbad's crew and boat out to the middle of the ocean. Yes. Sinbad is now on the Isle of the Dead alone. Now that he is alone, Jafar activates the Ghost King with his magical laser eyes, which was one of my favorite sentences to get to write down.
00:54:30
Speaker
yeah ah Sinbad defeats the Ghost King 2 and snatches his gemerald. Three gemeralds. Now we're cooking. He's stuck on the Isle of the Dead, though. I would like to note that this is what all the Marvel movies stole.
00:54:44
Speaker
These are essentially... Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They stole it! The Infinity Stones were basically Sinbad's magic gemeralds. I hadn't realized how much Sinbad DNA there was in everything.
00:54:58
Speaker
Yeah, it all goes back to Sinbad. It does. The good news is Sinbad is not alone on the Isle of the Dead. He meets a beautiful lady named Kira and her weird father, who is a wizard that speaks in gibberish named Nadir.
00:55:14
Speaker
I love Nadir. Nadir was a great character. Yeah. He has a mustache kind of like when you see ah the painting of what Dracula really looked like. He has that style mustache. Yeah.
00:55:28
Speaker
Kira leads Sinbad to where he can get the last general, but she gets kidnapped by some zombies while they're on route. He fights a big green zombie that shoots or a big green monster of some sort, like a slime creature.
00:55:43
Speaker
And it's shooting lasers out of its hands. Yeah. But Sinbad is able. Yeah. Magical lasers. Think of them more like magic missiles. Yeah. Sure. That look like lasers.
00:55:54
Speaker
This is another part of the movie. That's a slog. Yeah. Yeah. yeah The laser fights are not good. Definitely inspired by Poe. Yeah. Yeah.
00:56:07
Speaker
Forsooth, that the laser beams flew forth. um He wouldn't have said forsooth. ah You're trying. Imagine if he did.
00:56:18
Speaker
Sinbad shoots lasers back with the gemeralds that he already has, and he saves Kira, and he gets the final gemerald. Boy, you figure we got to be close to the end the movie now, but we're not. No, no, no, no, no. no no They rejoin Nadir, who has finished repairing his blimp.
00:56:37
Speaker
He just needs Sinbad's mighty lungs to inflate the balloon. Soon they take to the skies. There's some shenanigans, but they quickly find and rejoin Sinbad's crew.
00:56:48
Speaker
Yeah. The crew go and raid Basra. Sinbad makes a beeline for Jafar. At some point he tells Ahmed and Nadir, you guys take care of the monster.
00:56:59
Speaker
And like, yeah, we'll take care of the monster. That's never seen. No monster ever comes up. I was curious about that. I was curious about that one. kind of forgot about it. Yeah. Very odd choice to include that in it. When you're looking for things to cut, going say, if going to cut the monster, you should also cut the long description of who's going to fight the monster.
00:57:20
Speaker
Yeah. Maybe leave the monster, cut out the talk, even. I mean, do you want to fight the monster? Listen, what if I fight the monster and you fight Jafar?
00:57:33
Speaker
I'll take the monster for five minutes first, and then I'll hand it over to you. I would like to... I mean, I've got to go to the bathroom, but i'm okay but I know that when I get out...
00:57:46
Speaker
it's good it's like I have to poo, but it's going to be like okay a relatively quick one. okay i know i know what's at stake here now. and i will like I will fight the monster, but you like give me...
00:57:59
Speaker
More than five, but less, you know, more than five minutes. and Okay. And I'll be out and I'll, but if you can hold them for that long, then I'll. Well, I'm going to ask if we do that on your way to and from the bathroom, if you run into any guards, if you could fight, because we don't have anybody on guards. Yeah, no, I mean, I kind of.
00:58:19
Speaker
I thought that was kind of a given that I would take care of. Okay, okay, okay. Okay, yeah. It's just good we're talking about. We'll reevaluate. We'll reevaluate. The guards or any other kind of hindrance that would be... Naturally. naturally yeah I don't want to like... yeah um I'm not going to not fight on my way back.
00:58:40
Speaker
Of course. I mean... It's just, you know, and I'm sorry. I just got a lot going on. Yeah, I know. You should.
00:58:50
Speaker
ah you should get your friend to go get the princess who was your my girlfriend yeah yeah Ali you're on princess dude so Sinbad he makes the beeline for Jafar Jafar first attempts to trap Sinbad in a magical force cage, but Sinbad is too strong for that.
00:59:10
Speaker
And he just messes his way out. So Jafar's next plan is he uses all his magical energy to create an evil Sinbad doppelganger. And if the soundboard was working now is when I would play all my life. I've searched for a worthy adversary because this motherfucker just found a worthy adversary, his doppelganger.
00:59:30
Speaker
That's right. And he's mean. he He's the bad one. And they did not do a very good job of like helping you keep track of which is. Oh, no, no. When it got done, I was definitely just like, I'm pretty sure the good Sinbad won, but also I don't know.
00:59:45
Speaker
Yeah. They should have really just gave him like a different shirt. like cor Yeah. but yeah Put him in Sinbad's outfit, but all black. Yes. Give him a mustache. Yeah.
00:59:56
Speaker
Also make sure Sinbad's original outfit doesn't have a lot of black already in it. Just give him bright red hair. Yeah. Yeah. It's also difficult because they're both not wearing a shirt and they don't really shoot them below the waist. So it's just like, it's two shirtless Lou Ferrigno's.
01:00:14
Speaker
Which one's good? Which one's bad? I don't know. um remember Does it matter? but Transformers where Optimus Prime fights a doppelganger of Optimus Prime. Yeah. And ah the bad Optimus Prime's eyes are red.
01:00:29
Speaker
Yeah. Red eyes would have been really helpful. There we go. But that like always really upset me because it's like, how can he, he has red eyes. How is everyone confused? Like the one with the red eyes like the one. But this is this, in this situation, there's no one but Jafar and us. And you figure Jafar would want to be able to keep track of which is which. So it would be in his best interest to, you know, create his doppelganger slightly differently.
01:00:54
Speaker
Yeah, I would have no gave him a different haircut or something. something I mean, wouldn't touch that. The haircut was great, but maybe make it bright red. Like a tattoo.
01:01:06
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Yeah. s ta Bad to the bone. Now, Sinbad quickly defeats the evil Sinbad and tosses him into a pool of lava. The room that they're in is very strange.
01:01:17
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It's very weird. Like a medallion, kind of. I know that doesn't make sense, but here we are. Yeah. It reminded me of the big glass platform that Dr. Manhattan makes in Watchmen, but obviously much more simple than that.
01:01:31
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ah So he rejoins Sinbad, rejoins the magic generals to their rightful place, which is some sort of large sculpture. And Jafar loses his magical power.
01:01:45
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ah big He got a lot of power from not having these generals in this place. I guess the generals prevent sorcery. I don't know. But his curse is broken. Yeah. Right. Ali and Alina are reunited.
01:01:57
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Sinbad drags Jafar in front of the caliph and then trapdoors him down into the dungeon. So when Jafar cast the spell on all the people to not come out to greet Sinbad and hypnotize the ah caliph,
01:02:14
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The gems were in place. Yes. Yes. Yes. And when he was doing this feat of like getting a whole bunch of people under his mind control, whole population of a city. Yeah.
01:02:27
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Yeah. The gems were in place. Yeah. Yeah. And then he dispersed the gems. I don't know how you even did that because. no Well, it's pretty complicated. and Yeah.
01:02:41
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Yeah. But when they're back... couldn't do it again, I'll say that. Yeah. I'd hate to have to do it twice. Now that I know what they do, I... Yeah, I wish that had been my first thing.
01:02:54
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They've also all got names. So there's this lovely moment where Sinbad's like, Courage. And then it like pops in It's like, Happiness. And it pops. It's just like, wait, they've got...
01:03:05
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They represent things and they have names and powers. What what is this? But yeah again, we I guess it used to be four hours. That's cut down to an hour and 33 minutes. but are yeah What are all the infinity stones? It's wisdom.
01:03:19
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Time. Life. Power. table Reality. Space. They did basically rip it off then, yeah.
01:03:30
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Yeah, I mean, they definitely ripped it off. Yeah. I'm looking at you, Jim Shooter, or whoever wrote Infinity War. Now, ah anyway, Ali marries Alina, Sinbad marries Kira, and the mom narrator says goodnight to the daughter.
01:03:47
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The end. We made it. Boom. Congratulations, everybody. Yes. That's all of Sinbad. Final thoughts. Five-star ratings.
Film Ratings and Personal Reflections
01:03:56
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Where did you guys land? Out of five stars, what would you give Sinbad?
01:03:59
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Greg, why don't you kick us off? So... um This was this is a cozy. So, I mean, this is kind of up my alley. This is looks to me is watching. It's very difficult to understand that it's from 89. It really feels like it's from the 70s in a way in the way that I love, like really love this movie.
01:04:16
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um I have a tendency or I have a tendency. I actually watch all these movies alone, which I feel like gives me a little bit of a negative. Like it's hard to watch movie like this alone because I think during some of the slower parts, you could talk to somebody.
01:04:30
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yes Talking to everybody about it today has made me raise up my rating a little bit. I want to say four and a half, but I'm going to knock it back down to four just because the parts that are difficult to get through are very difficult to get through.
01:04:46
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Like some of the slow-mo stuff, it's just like, look, it is two men struggling, not really saying anything. And they're just kind of shifting their weight.
01:04:57
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But the good news is it's taking 45 seconds. And it's just like, holy cow, this is a lot. But... Despite all of that, there's so many things in this that are just it's it's a it's a case of like this is very bizarre.
01:05:14
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But I've always said I like Wayne's World two more than the first Wayne's World because the highs are much higher. There are fair nose. Like the first one is a little more even, but I like the highs of the second one more. So I appreciate that. And there's a lot in here that I really appreciate.
01:05:29
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ah So thank you very much for this one. That's a very astute. What about you, Andy? Where did you wind up? no Five stars. no i I want to hear what you say first. Okay, fair enough. I landed on two.
01:05:41
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I landed on two stars. I found mom's narration to just be incredibly brutal. It was like so oppressive. It was just throwing a blanket over the entire movie.
01:05:56
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No one but mom and a little bit of daughter spoke for the first five minutes of this movie. yeah not ah It was just like any time something cool and good would happen.
01:06:10
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And I'm not saying there weren't cool and good things, but it was almost equal time of cool things happening to the most boring mind numbing experience I've had in a long time.
01:06:23
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Uh, and so like if you could find and someone edit this down to 30 minutes, I think then you've got so a great experience. I will say that really feels like it's a 67 minute long film that was stretched to, for some reason, one hour and 33 minutes.
01:06:40
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I don't know why they didn't just make it 90. That's my only real question. It's like, if you're going to do one hour 33, why, why not one hour like yeah i what What extra?
01:06:51
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I could definitely take tighten this up to 86. Yeah. yeah my My wife has that complaint all the time where if something is 88 minutes, she's like, you just do three more minutes. um can anything Just make it night you can't do. You can't have a little montage of somebody looking out a window or something. I mean, you wasted so much time already. Might as well waste a little bit more.
01:07:17
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um I mean, obviously, for me, um should I give my review? Yeah, please. please i I thought your observation, Gregory, is very astute and good, and I totally feel Chris's anguish.
01:07:35
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anguish about the movie. I, I do know that it is kind of a slog and I don't know if there's something wrong with my brain where I can kind of endure it. better than others Um, but it is, i give it a five stars. I kind of, fair enough.
01:07:54
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I mean, it has a special place cause it became, it was such a staple between my friends. Um, kind of to echo Gregory, there is movies that I do,
01:08:07
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There's like kind of a bunch of when you recommend good, bad movies to people, there's kind of a there's the caveat, which is, as Gregory was saying, like, watch it with somebody. Yeah, don't watch it alone.
01:08:19
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There's like there's movies that you have to kind of watch with somebody. this might be one of them. It's like, I think it's a good movie. If you're one of those guys that like you have people over, you put it on in the background and while people are like talking and you have music because this yeah yeah yeah yeah images you can, and you can stop the party and be like, Oh guys, you got to see this. This is fun. Yeah. Yeah.
01:08:41
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And people will laugh at it and get enjoyment out of it. Yeah. Yeah. There, there is a certain level of enjoyment and it it could be fun with watching it with others, but if you watch it by yourself, you're going to be like,
01:08:52
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a little bit of torturing yourself. Yeah, definitely. ah But it's talking about it right now. I would say that I do realize I also want to put a test to you guys.
01:09:05
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I don't know. Okay. Yeah. Would you guys believe that I actually did not see this movie for the podcast, like leading up to this podcast?
01:09:18
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I haven't seen it probably in maybe less than a year. I would believe that. I would say it it seemed like you had a very strong working familiarity with it, but little details that yes like you, like names, I think you would have recalled if you had, uh, yes, watch it more recently, but definitely you have that deep knowledge of it being ingrained.
01:09:43
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Yeah. You can definitely tell it's inside of you at this point. Yes. It is so deeply inside me. It's, uh, And I, it's just like, I can't say, uh, I can't give it like a bad review because it's, yeah, because you love it.
01:10:00
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You love it. Yeah. I love it. be giving yourself bad review. It, it's interesting because like with the Apple, like I, when I first saw the Apple, I hated I absolutely despised it.
01:10:13
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I thought it was just like nausea inducing and it's very overwhelming. Yeah. Yeah. Um, it may part of it might have been because I was really high. i thought Yeah, and maybe.
01:10:26
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But but over time, I've seen it so many times now. I actually do really love it. And it's such a weird experience to have with a movie that you initially watch once and you're like, oh, God. and And then over time, you're like singing the songs. Yeah. Yeah.
01:10:47
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But I I guess for people who are really This is not, I would say, not an entry-level movie for people who are just getting into bad movies. And if you are into bad movies, definitely watch this with somebody.
01:11:00
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And if you really hate yourself, watch it by yourself. Yeah. All right. You've got your marching orders, listeners. That's right. Well, you guys want to head on to the final part of show. We've got, first up, our segment.
Sinbad Films in Cinema History
01:11:14
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We've got trends in film.
01:11:16
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Yes.
01:11:19
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There
01:11:36
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So I wanted to talk a little bit about the larger trend of Sinbad movies.
01:11:59
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so i wanted to talk a little bit about the larger trend of sinbad movies Okay. Houseguest. Now, ah Sinbad the Sailor was a ah fictional adventurer who first appeared in 1001 Nights, which was a collection of Arabian folklore that was first printed in the 14th century.
01:12:21
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ah Sinbad and his seven voyages didn't start popping up until editions printed in the 18th century, though. So, relatively new folklore, one might say.
01:12:34
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Uh, now I found how many different Sinbad movies do you guys think that I was able to find?
01:12:42
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Hmm. 35. All right. Including silent movies and stuff. Like I'm going to guess, but not short films. Uh, full length features. Yeah. Features. Yeah.
01:12:54
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Okay. Uh, what was your number? I said 35. I'm going to say, i don't know. I'm going to go with 80. I found 33 Sinbad movies from all over the world.
01:13:08
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The oldest one I found was called Sinbad Kalashi, or Sinbad the Sailor, and it was an Indian silent film from 1930, directed by Ramchandra Gopal Tourney, who is considered the father of Indian cinema.
01:13:23
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Nice. ah Deep roots for Sinbad. Sinbad didn't appear on American movie screens until 1935 in the Iwerks animated short film Sinbad the Sailor.
01:13:38
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One year later, Max Fleischer made Popeye the Sailor meets Sinbad the Sailor. But it wouldn't be until 1942 that America would get its first live action Sinbad in the movie Arabian Nights, where he would be played by the fourth stooge Shemp Howard.
01:13:54
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How about that? Yeah, very. i was very surprised to see Shemp's name pop up in Sinbad. In his own right. Shemp was a very popular comedian like oh on his own.
01:14:06
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but I believe that. Is he also the one that did musical scores? Shemp? I don't know. I think it's one of the three Stooges ended up doing like the score to a vampire film that I really like a lot.
01:14:18
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And I was like, that's weird. Oh, no, no, I'm sorry. I might be thinking of a Marx brother now that I think of That would make more sense to me. Who is it? yup yu roro too a So from there, roughly every 10 years or so, somebody would try their hand at a live action English language Sinbad.
01:14:39
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ah Strangely, while I found Sinbad movies made in English, Japanese, Italian, Russian, Hindi, and Czech, I never found a single one made in Arabic. I'm also, I'm going to say in my entire life, never met a single person who was just sort of fan of the concept of Sinbad.
01:14:57
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I don't know why people keep on trying to make Sinbad a thing. Yeah. and I was, yeah, I was, I feel like your research might be a little bit better. I, I heard that Sinbad was written by this like Polish guy.
01:15:12
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e There was a Sinbad that was written by a Polish guy. in like the 18th century. ah That might've been one of the thousand and one nights translations.
01:15:24
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I wanted to prepare a little bit and I was like, i who the hell wrote Sinbad? I was like trying to figure out who it was. Like, is it just something that's just been in the ether for like, right. Right. Right.
01:15:37
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And yeah, it's just like, it's just like one of the, it's like, you always hear these, like you're here, like an old dirty joke where, you know, a guy goes into ah brothel and this and that happens.
01:15:51
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Like, I don't know, like, I don't know who writes these, who tells them. Yeah. like yeah where street churchs from Where did they come from? Sinbad is just this thing where like, everybody was just like, no, you know, Sinbad, it's a thing. And you're like, yeah and in in your life, you're like, oh yeah, Sinbad, he's this, yeah, the sailor.
01:16:09
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like yeah. Yeah. yeah I have no idea the first context I heard the name Sinbad. No, I have no idea why I know Sinbad the Sailor, but I definitely do. Yeah. if we you like You have a vague idea. It's just something... It's so weird that our brains are just like... You're just told.
01:16:28
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You're just like, yeah. yeah yeah it's Yeah, Sinbad. He's a sailor and he went on adventures. And then a Hollywood executive like, yeah, everybody knows Sinbad. Of course we should make a Sinbad movie. Think of the name of Sinbad.
01:16:40
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yeah People love Sinbad. They're always talking about him. It's like a public domain Captain America. Exactly. i just, I feel like that's, I feel like people don't like in general, I could be wrong. I feel like people are kind of, I think things that take place on the water, um I think don't do super well. i A lot of people can't relate to it.
01:17:05
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Yeah. It's a different world out there. I mean, the ocean is amazing though. It's like, it's a whole nother world. Oh, for sure. but like But no one cares.
01:17:16
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Yeah. no like Like, there's I'm not saying there's not there there's they break not no breakthroughs, but I feel like, and I'm not saying i love i like boats and I love the ocean, but like it's not for everybody. I feel like.
01:17:31
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No. it's like how It limits your appeal. It's very specific. It's like, it yeah, we don't, you know.
Lou Ferrigno Trivia Game
01:17:40
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We don't like the water levels in Mario.
01:17:42
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No, no, for sure. Well, you guys want to play game? Speaking of Mario, you want to play our trivia game? Yes, please. Yeah.
01:17:53
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All right, then let's play a little This Guy Played That Guy.
01:18:04
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This guy played that guy. Yeah, this guy played that guy. This guy played that guy in film.
01:18:24
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So we're going to be talking about the films of Mr. Lou Ferrigno. Okay. I'm going to give you a title, a year, a plot description, and three characters. I want you to tell me which one was played by lou Frigno. This is a buzz in game. Oh, buzz in by saying your own name.
01:18:43
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And if you don't get it, your opponent will have the opportunity to steal. Everybody ready? Oh, yes. and Question number one. Desert Warrior, 1988.
01:18:57
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In the post-nuclear wastes of Earth, two civilizations fight for survival. The Tyrogs in the City of Doom and the drones who live underground free from radiation.
01:19:09
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The nuclear war is over, but the fight for survival has just begun. Does Lou Ferrigno play Rossella, Zycot, or Zarak?
01:19:21
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greg andy greg i think got it first okay say zycot no i'm sorry greg it's not zycot andy do you want to steal uh can you repeat the uh sure your choices are rasella or zarak zarak Correct.
01:19:43
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Yes. Andy's on the board. the other two number two the The other one is just too hard to say. It's true. Yeah. yeah
01:19:55
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Enter the fire. 2018. On the run from the mob, Jake Bolt visits his estranged foster brother. As the mafia closes in, the two brothers must band together to fend off the mafia while trying not to kill each other in the process.
01:20:13
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Does Lou Ferrigno play Monroe, Skull, or Spencer?
01:20:22
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ah and Andy. Andy? ah Skull. No, I'm sorry. I didn't play Skull. Greg, can you steal? What were the other two? Monroe or Spencer?
01:20:35
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Let's do Monroe. That's correct. Greg, you're on the board. It's tied up. Okay. All right. It's getting interesting. Yeah. Things are heating up listeners.
01:20:46
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I really need to beat Greg. After question number three, you can't place any more bets. So question number three, frog town to 1992. They made a frog town too.
01:20:59
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They did. That's crazy. The mutant frog leader of Frogtown kidnaps a professor and forces him to create a serum that will turn everyone into frogs.
01:21:11
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Only one man can stop him. Sam Hell. Did Lou Ferrigno play Captain Delano, Sam Hell, or Ranger Jones?
01:21:25
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feel like this is trick question. Andy. Andy. Andy. It's not Sam Hell, I don't think. But I'm going to say it's the one before that. the but was the Captain Delano?
01:21:39
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Yes. No, I'm sorry. It wasn't Captain Delano. Greg, can you steal? So this feels this feels like a trick question, but I'm going to say Sam Hell. I'm just going to say it.
01:21:50
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No, I'm sorry. He played Ranger Jones. Yeah, that makes sense. Still tied. Question number four. The Seven Magnificent Gladiators, 1983. Okay, good title ah title. A bandit leader and his sorceress mother make yearly raids on a peasant village.
01:22:10
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But when the women of the village come into possession of a magical sword, they must find a hero to wield it against them. Okay. Did Lou Frigno play Han, Goliath, or Glofero?
01:22:26
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Andy. Andy? Goliath. No, I'm sorry. He didn't play Goalife. Greg, can you steal? Glithero? No, he played Han.
01:22:37
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Luciano played Han. Still tied. Boy, very simple. Yeah. Question number five. Quick question. He didn't star in these, right? He's just in them. He didn't star in all of them. Some of them he was a star. Some of them he was a supporting role.
01:22:56
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Okay. Did someone actually take over Sam Hell? Yes. I did not recognize the name. Unfortunately, it was not Roddy Piper returning. That's unfortunate.
01:23:07
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Yeah. and Question number five. All's fair. 1989. Okay. okay To relax, a group of stressed out executives go to the country for a weekend of war games.
01:23:19
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yeah that Does Lou Ferrigno play Eddie Norman or Klaus?
01:23:28
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Is this new? Greg, this is 1989. okay Norman? No, I'm sorry. He didn't play Norman. Andy, can you steal?
01:23:42
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I'm going to say Klaus. Correct. Andy takes the lead. Okay. We got a breakaway. We got a breakaway here. Yeah. The tide is coming in.
01:23:55
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Question number six. Liberty and Bash, 1989. Liberty, Bash, and their friend Jesse serve together in Central America.
01:24:07
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But when Jesse gets killed by drug lords, Liberty and Bash declare another war, this time on the home front. o this is Did Lou Ferrigno play Liberty, Bash, or Jesse?
01:24:22
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I was hoping that was the question you were going to ask. But what is your answer? That's a good question. ah Greg? Greg. Jesse.
01:24:34
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No, I'm sorry. You didn't play Jesse. Voted with the heart. so it's So it's either Liberty or Bash.
01:24:42
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It's a hard one. It is. um Because, like, obviously there's the thought where, you know, because he's a big guy, he would have played Bash.
01:24:55
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Yeah, that's very sound thinking. But I don't know who played Liberty because that might be like that could possibly be a hot lady.
01:25:08
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Yeah, could be. Could be. Like, and that's a great pairing. Yeah, I'd love to see them. Or they just got another muscle bound guy.
01:25:21
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That's not as big as him. but he's muscle. You've got 10 seconds on the clock. andy
01:25:28
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I'm going to go with the, ah I'm going to go with bash. Correct. Yeah. okay I was so glad that you did not talk yourself out of the correct answer. You wanted me to, it's okay that I talked it out, right?
01:25:41
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Oh yeah. Absolutely. I think that has to be, I think that has to be one of the rules is that if you're going to steal, you have to talk it out, talk it out because people want to hear, they want the logic.
01:25:54
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It's true. They want the the peep inside your process. They want to see how the sausage is made. They want to know what's going on with your noodle. But you know what the thing is? I think people want to be like, that's what I was thinking.
01:26:06
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Yeah. yeah Thank God. I'm not alone in this world. That's right. Closer to somebody. They've got this podcast. Yeah.
01:26:17
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Thank you. Thank you for thinking it out for me because I was, I was fucking feeling really lonely. And now I feel good. Exactly. It's another guy who is just as lonely as me. h Question number seven, the misery brothers, 1995. Okay.
01:26:37
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and okay Two misfits embark upon an odyssey to reverse their unlucky family's fortunes. Hmm. Did Lou Ferrigno play Lieutenant Al Dente?
01:26:55
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Angelo misery or quasi. Wow. That's a good one. Yeah. ah Greg, Greg, going to say al dente. Cause I can't not you know. Somebody had to say it, but it is the wrong answer. I'm yeah'm sorry. boy Of course, of course, of course, of course.
01:27:18
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And now it's time for Andy's thought process. Yes. Talk out the debate between Angelo misery and quasi ah Angelo misery.
01:27:29
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um
01:27:33
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I honestly feel as much as I love Lou. And I think he did not carry. What year is this, by the way? Good question. 1995. Okay. Late in man's career.
01:27:46
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okay late in the man's I'm going to go in my mind. i feel like he kind of, as much as I love him, I feel like at a certain point he wasn't, he wasn't anchoring movies.
01:28:00
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No, not a bankable star for very long. yeah Well, no, I think people liked him and I think he was probably very great to work with. And he's like and an exceptional human. but Absolutely.
01:28:12
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But he was not going to be the star. So I'm going to go. He was definitely not one of the misery brothers. He had to be. Is my thought. Correct.
01:28:23
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Yeah. He did play k quasi. What a name. I imagine it was some kind of goon. Yeah. Yeah. I imagine it was short for Quasimodo and he had a fake hunchback. That's my assumption. on this That was where I was going.
01:28:37
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Yeah. Question number eight. Just two more to go. Cage 2, 1994. A Vietnam vet is kidnapped and forced to fight in an illegal underground no-holds-barred tournament.
01:28:53
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Did Lou Ferrigno play Billy, Spike Duvall, or bar patron?
01:29:06
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Andy. Andy? and I'm going to go with Billy. You are on a hot streak, Andy. oh wow. You are correct. was going to go bar patron. No, you can't you can't put Luford. No, probably not.
01:29:22
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That's probably precisely why I was going to pick it. Yeah, but I just feel like... Yeah, he's too big, but I don't think... What was the other one? Spike Duvall?
01:29:34
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He's not a Spike. He's he's he's a blunt instrument. It's true. I think he's like a lovable guy. Billy's such a lovable name. makes sense It's true. He's like a kind of a, I think that was also the name of his character in adventure time.
01:29:48
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Hmm. Oh, there you go Question number nine. And God spoke 1993. Ooh. o up A mockumentary on the making of a big budget biblical epic where everything that can go wrong does go wrong.
01:30:04
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Does Lou Ferrigno play God. Cain or Abel. Wow. These are good choices. for lurio This is a good yeah is a good game.
01:30:18
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ah Greg? Greg. God. No, I'm sorry. he would have been a great God. All right. So the other two choices is Cain and Abel.
01:30:32
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Cain is the bad one. It's true. Right? The first murderer. The first murderer. And... Hmm.
01:30:47
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Uh...
01:30:50
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Is it... I'm guessing it's supposed to be, like, funny. So if Kane is, like, kind of a big... Yeah. That would be funny if he was a giant dude that murdered his brother. It's supposed to be a comedy, I think.
01:31:02
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the way you Yes. Absolutely. And... Yeah. I'm gonna go with King. Alright, you are correct. Yeah.
01:31:12
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You really ran away with that. Six to one. Yeah. yeah he You locked in, Andy. ah Yeah. I gotta... The important thing is... That I won. Yeah. And that Greg didn't. and yeah Yeah. So there we go.
01:31:30
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And I i just want to say that Greg is a horrible person. All right. That's fair. I won't. know No, no, that's not fair. No, I won't accept that. That's fair.
01:31:40
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He should really just just choke on his loss. like and i Okay. That's fair. Like in a shallow, muddy puddle of losing. Okay. a game.
01:31:52
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Okay. i can yeah Yeah. I can do that. I just... It's wet out there. That's right. You're terrible at this game. and I say? I'm victorious and I'm great.
01:32:07
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And my self-esteem is better than yours. And i will get a lot more cred than you will. There we go. Perfect. It's all working out. Trust me, the Discord is going to be blowing up after this episode goes
The Batty Awards Segment
01:32:23
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out. oh yeah after this up All the fans that you had for Greg are now going to shift over to me yeah because you've lost so much face.
01:32:33
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the needle is The needle is bearing in the other direction. I kind of feel bad... play out for don't yeah i mean winner think the only thing that you one should feel bad about would have been to let this charade continue so i want to thank you for unmasking greg for all of us yes and i am now going to stop the trash talking because i don't feel comfortable now because i'm like worried people think i'm a dick uh no it's all in jest it's on jest we're all good friends here
01:33:05
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It's true. You guys want to do some Batty Awards? Do I ever. What's the... Oh, yeah. yeah Let's do that. Let's move on to your next segment. Yay!
01:33:24
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Now you're messing with the Batty Awards. Now you're messing with the Batty Awards. Now you're messing with the Batty Awards. Now you're messing with the Now your arm asshole with the Batty Awards.
01:33:40
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Congratulations to all the nominees.
01:33:49
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That's right. Congratulations to all of our nominees. Congratulations you listeners. You made it to this final segment of the show. The Batty Awards. I'm going to give out The first baddie award.
01:34:01
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and All right. And it's going to go to least authentic Asian costumery. And I'm giving that one to costume director Floriana Scalabrelli for how she dressed Canto, ah the Asian member of Sinbad's crew.
01:34:18
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Really brutal stuff. Yes. Yeah. yeah They also put him in like some very odd makeup. They gave him a very strange hairstyle. They made this guy look like a freak.
01:34:32
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Yeah. yeah And his, his name is just literally the soldier of fortune. I think. Yeah. that I've seen him referred to as a couple of different things. I've heard the dialogue referred to him as Kanto.
01:34:44
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I've seen him just credit. He's in the credits as samurai. Yeah. yeah Yeah. It is so. i I'm surprised we went there because I was like, the movie's pretty racist at times. Yeah, it dips in there.
01:35:01
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really does. Yeah. it really does but yeah ah especially with just that character mainly, I, would say, yeah, he's, I would say, yeah, him and maybe the portrayal of Poochie the dwarf as a ah idiot, I think we are you're probably your two problematic representations in this film.
01:35:26
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The character Viking gets off very clearly. Yes. Yeah. No bad representation for Vikings. Viking is actually um the director's brother, I think. ah Okay, cool. i um Yes. And I also was reading on IMDb that one of the, door I forget, I think it's your your boy, Greg. he said It says that he makes cameos in all his movies.
01:35:49
Speaker
Oh. And then like, I tried to look for him in the IMDb cast and crew, and, you know. It's possible that what I cut. Yeah, maybe. And he was also... He wasn't there when they were filming the majority of it. He was only there for when they were filming the ah mother-daughter scenes. It would have been hard to squeeze in a cameo there.
01:36:08
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Yes. I guess he could have been like, Good night, honey. Your mama's going to read you a story. would been great. Yeah. um Yes, that is... That is probably one of the most worst parts of the movie is just the weird racism of that character. Yeah. yeah It is unfortunate. He's rough.
01:36:28
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Yeah, he's rough. Greg, do you have a bad ear word? I sure do.
Cultural Critiques and Production Design
01:36:32
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it is for what I would. So I really it was very difficult for me to not give it to Sucra because. Understandable.
01:36:41
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Absolutely incredible. But we've talked a lot about her already. Audience, you already know how fantastic she is. So I want to call out what I think is perhaps the least effective punishment I've ever heard, which is that ah like the king ah is going to... He's like, Jafar, I'm going to remove you from the list of accredited magicians.
01:37:02
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It's like, that's not a great response for everything he did. I mean, being shunned business-wise is probably not quite going to be as effective. But he does get put in the pit.
01:37:14
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So it's something. i mean, he's going to have to start all over from the bottom. That's true. That's true. And at his age, that probably be difficult. I mean, that is that is the but the one thing for me. And I know everybody loves Harry Potter very much and everything. But the one thing that has always drove me crazy about Harry Potter. Okay.
01:37:34
Speaker
and Now that it's the coast of school here. Yeah. Woo! i But the one thing that has drove me crazy about Harry Potter is in a world where everybody can magically do stuff, there's like still a level of bureaucracy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just like, well, you well you did you go to school? How many credits did you get? official?
01:37:54
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well i an official yeah I'm a magical person. and I can make things do stuff. Here's my transcripts. but Here's my transcript.
01:38:06
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I need to go down to the magical bank and apply for a magical loan for my magical tuition next semester. and i need I need some money. no do you believe it? I need money. need a cosigner.
01:38:21
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need a cosigner. Yeah. ah The fact that there's poor but there's like rich wizards and poor wizards. Did you go to an unaccredited vizier? who it It doesn't look great.
01:38:36
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It's not a good look. Not a good look. ah Andy, do you have a baddie award? i mean... um no pressure.
01:38:48
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No, no. but I mean, I really have to hand it to the... I have to guess to give it to the production design, because I think ultimately up until you, this is a very argumentative, but up until get to the, even if let's just say you forgive or forget that,
01:39:10
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the Edgar Allen Poe thing in the beginning. Pretend that's not even a thing. we heard yeah pretend that you Cut that out of the movie. This is just a story. She's telling the story of Sinbad. The movie, you see these places, you're like, okay, I kind of buy that all this is in these this time period. I don't even know what time period it is.
01:39:28
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yeah But the moment you see the plastic tubing... you're like, wait, hold on. Why did you just... and like They were doing okay up until that moment.
01:39:42
Speaker
Yeah, I want to say like the sets in this movie were all really good. really liked the all the sets. Yeah, like some of the on-locations shooting, too. It's just like, oh, this is really interesting, actually. Yeah, they like they clearly the production manager was like, oh, yeah, okay, yeah. ah Like a village?
01:39:59
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Like a... but like Kind of a medieval, you can kind of take any kind of village, like a medieval village, and kind of get the same effect. And like, you can And I'm pretty sure they did. I mean, I don't know when the knights would have been from what I read. If we want to talk timelines, Zimbad would have been taking place around ah eighth or 9th century Abbasid Caliphate.
01:40:26
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That armor, I'm going to say with like those frog helmets, that's going to be like 12th or 13th. So a lot of anachronisms in terms of Dungeons and Dragons, arms and armory.
01:40:37
Speaker
Right. But I mean, they already, by that time they already broke the rules. Yeah. Matter. But I think the armor didn't used to come to life. Yeah. yeah But the moment you see the plastic tubing and the, the, that stuff, you're like, Oh, wait a minute.
01:40:55
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They didn't care enough. Yeah. Yeah. Like it, it is such a, it is like, it really like any, any level of credit you were going to give this movie is completely robbed.
01:41:10
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As soon as you see that stuff, you're just like, Oh yeah. they just They just didn't care. This is like like... It's essentially a Rick and Morty. like yeah they we've found Yeah. You can just do whatever. Who
Closing Remarks and Future Content
01:41:23
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cares?
01:41:23
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Yeah. as It's a very Saturday morning cartoon, but like very bad Saturday. Yeah, yeah. Very cheap Saturday morning. Very lazy. Yeah.
01:41:35
Speaker
i like at that point, have a telephone. and yeah Yeah. Like I said, just give Sinbad a gun. yeah That would be so incredible. That would be great.
01:41:46
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um i would I mean, it adds to the charm, obviously. but it is that is like i think that was the first thing I remember in the movie when I watched it the first time, thinking...
01:42:00
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Oh, yeah okay. ah yeah i i i don't I don't know what they're doing now. ah It's a beautiful moment. It is a beautiful moment.
01:42:11
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And I appreciate it, but I got to give the award for that. i think that's fair. I couldn't agree more. Andy, thank you so much for coming. ah It's been great to see you. Great to talk to you.
01:42:25
Speaker
And I know you must have something to plug. What are you doing these days? Where can people find that? I didn't actually come anywhere. I just, I'm at my house. That's fair. You've come to this new, this new, this modern space. I didn't. Yeah. i mean And I talked about something. didn't, I did very little research and,
01:42:47
Speaker
It doesn't. Well, I mean, other than other than watching it so frequently that it became a part of your DNA. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're here for your nature, if not your work.
01:43:01
Speaker
You know what I mean? You're here for you. Yes. um Well, I'm working on a lot of things. which I'm saying because I don't want to sound like I'm not doing anything.
01:43:16
Speaker
I want to, uh, I want to start a kind of a crowdsource thing soon and for a movie. Okay.
01:43:27
Speaker
I'm working on. So, but I don't have any of that information ready and handy. So, okay. Well, if you have anything ready, send me something. We'll put it up in the show notes.
01:43:39
Speaker
People will be able to find a link to something there. Yeah, but I'll, I'll definitely put it on my Instagram. So, okay. Well, at at the very at least have your Instagram on there. Just follow me on Instagram.
01:43:51
Speaker
It's Andy Rocco. And you might learn about this thing one day woo when I'm more ready. All right. Listeners watch out and listeners, you know how I'm going to do it.
01:44:06
Speaker
It's time for me to do my end of show plugs. So first of all, you should come back next week. when We'll be watching the covenant with Stephanie Metzger. Very excited. oh And also,
01:44:19
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01:44:33
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01:44:49
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Have a great run.
01:45:10
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The
01:45:49
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Thank you.