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Episode 54: Addicted to Murder 2: Tainted Blood featuring Peter Speer
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Musician and good friend of the show Pete Speer brings a forgotten video-store gem with Addicted to Murder 2: Tainted Blood. This shot-on-VHS horror movie from 1997 is thoughtfully made and inventive, but nearly impenetrable if you’ve not seen the first film and Chris and Greg haven’t. However, everyone enjoys it’s vibes-based plot, fun details and playful vampire lore. Then it’s a veritable who’s who of ‘97 talent as everyone recasts the film. Tune in to hear all about it!
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Transcript
Introduction to the Podcast
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It's bad to be bad. It's bad to be bad.
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that you would, that you could. And you know that you should. Yes, you know that you should be good.
Hosts and Guest Introduction
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Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to your favorite bad movie podcast. It's the only podcast that's brave enough to ask the question, if this movie's so bad, why do you like it so much?
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We're your hosts. My name is Chris Anderson. And with me, as always, I have the Karen to my Angie, Mr. Greg Bossy. Greg, how are you? I'm doing all right. How are you?
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Oh, I can't complain. I can't complain, except for the fact that my wife, Anna, could not be with us this week. That always hurts my heart when that's the case. But we do have ah perfect salve riding in from far off the Joel Winter of the show.
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You might know him as a pirate puppet. You might know him as a science jerk. It's Mr. Pete Spear. Pete, how are you? I'm doing well. Hi, everybody.
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Now, Pete, you chose this week's movie, and if our audience hasn't seen it, and I'm going to very strongly guess that they have
Movie Summary: 'Addicted to Murder 2, Tainted Blood'
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not. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they haven't this time around.
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But if you have not seen this week's movie, Addicted to Murder 2, Tainted Blood, here's just a brief summary of the film to hold in your mind.
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Everyone is looking for a mysterious vampire named Rachel from her serial killer ex-boyfriend, Joel, to her vampire sister, Angie.
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And this is to either be made into a vampire or stop her from making more vampires. I'm not sure.
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Yeah, I feel that that seems. Yeah, it's accurate. I think I think that's fair. Now, Pete. How did you first see
Franchise Discovery and Experience
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Addicted to Murder? yeah I know you told me that you're a fan of the whole franchise. How did you come across the Addicted to Murder franchise?
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Well, I, ah oddly enough, came across the first Addicted to Murder in the horror section of my local blockbuster as a teenager.
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They had the box. Wow. The box looks like a real movie. And okay, that helps all the trappings of a, you know, mid budget horror movie about vampires and serial killers. And the, the writeup made it seem pretty exciting and I, I rented it and it was, I'd never seen a shot on video horror movie before.
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And this one has all the trappings. It's like, it's set in the woods mostly. yeah Like that's like Hallmark number one. yeah that's a class because video loves light.
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Yeah. Oh, yeah. You need it. And ah i was kind of ah kind of intrigued, to say the least. And I wouldn't say it started an interest in shot in video horror, but it was definitely an entry point into that world.
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um And then i i will admit, i kind of forgot about it and I didn't know there were other entries in the series. Until about 2015, a director named Scooter McRae, who has a cameo in part two, Tainted Blood.
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Oh, okay. he He put out a short called St. Frankenstein that I that i liked. i thought it was pretty good. And so I started digging through his IMDB page and finding all these other movies that he had been in that I was unfamiliar
Plot Line Confusion
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with.
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And then in that list was part two. ah Addicted Murder 2, Tainted Blood. So I found that, watched it, was, you know, intrigued, to say the least. Yeah.
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and That's fair. And then, in short order, watched part three as well, and over time just sort of conflated parts two and three in my mind into one wild ride.
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These films, I watched the first two, and I will say I had a very tough time remembering which came from which when I was trying to write my summary today. That's hilarious. yeah Yeah, they play fast and loose with ah a lot of things, including time and plot lines and characters, but there are familiar faces and names.
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It just sort of feels like coming in and out of dreams that have ah reference points that track, but any kind of through line is a bit foggy. Yeah, you really need to follow this in terms of vibes. This is not a plot movie. This is a vibes movie. no I couldn't really even tell you what the plot was, other than what you said, but at the same time, yeah.
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Well, Greg, had you had you seen this one before? No, i not I didn't know anything about this at all. I will say some of the people in it I thought looked familiar, and then when I went to look, I was like, no, they are they are not.
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they're not familiar ear to me at all um this was a real ah and i will say that like after the first few lines i realized like i was like those are two funny first lines and then i realized they were actually from this movie and then the prior movie and then i was like maybe i need to read what the p prior movie was and so i did and then that made sense and then i got like 20 minutes in and i was like wait a minute Maybe I need to read what the synopsis for this movie is.
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And that's when I learned about its placement in the timeline of the story. And then I was like, okay, now, now things make more sense in that they don't make any sense.
Personal Viewing Experiences
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But now I yeah can make sense of that at least. Yeah, i had not seen these before either. I did watch part one for my research, but I watched it after I watched part two.
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Okay. And I did not... i In retrospect, i wish I had least tracked down a trailer or something. I think I'm going to make that my part of my process going forward. I think that's going to help me out a lot.
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Because I've been discombobulated a lot lately, and it's frankly... ah This didn't help with that issue. This was ah very confusing watch for me.
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ah But that said, I did enjoy it. I walked away feeling like, okay, there's enough meat on the bone here that I didn't regret the 81 minutes that I spent watching it.
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Should we state what it is that's so strange about this plot and its placement within this story this point? It's sort of both a prequel and a sequel. It seems to take place in the time surrounding part one.
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Yeah. but maybe it's just at the very end that it leaps to after part one. ah Well, there's parts throughout part two that dip back to within part one.
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Yeah. um The timeline. So it's like a saw three and four situation where they happen simultaneously. I haven't. I'm unfamiliar with the soft films beyond their names, but I will. I will. I watched them all in one day, one through seven. That was all that was available at the time. It was a bad idea. I don't recommend. No, I can't imagine doing that in my life.
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No, it was a bad day. But I was committed. Watching this sort of felt like trying to watch all the Star Wars movies by starting with the second episode.
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yeah it's like some stuff happened before and there's other things that I should know about but like I don't know what or like if I ever sat down and watched that re-edited version of ah Lost that was in chronological order oh yeah yeah yeah you would I feel like you would end up having that same sort of vibe where it's like except this was in a chronological order right but which was very very 90s if we're being fair this yeah that was a very 90s thing to do yeah very Tarantino Yeah, very limey.
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ah so Yeah. if I remember that one. Oh, yeah. It's a great movie. It is a great movie. Yeah. um But, yeah, in general, I felt very untethered.
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Yeah. why
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It keeps you on your toes.
Film Background and Production
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It that sure does. It does. Yeah. Yeah. Well, do you guys want to hear what I found out in terms of context? Sure. I can't wait.
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It's not a lot, gonna okay.
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I wish I had some context about the background of the film. Script director, actors on set. What was going on on screen? I wanna hear some details.
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Gossips can do all that shit. Can't imagine all the time.
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All right. Addicted to Murder, Tainted Blood, a.k.a. Addicted to Murder 2, Tainted Blood, came out in 1998. Not sure the exact date, ah but we do know writer-director Kevin J. Lindenmuth with the tagline, You Are a Who You Eat.
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Nice. It does sort of tie into like one specific thing that happens in the film where she like one of the vampires is like, I'm going to steal your confidence from you when I you drink your blood.
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um They didn't really talk too much about that. And Greg, I want to get your opinions on some more vampiric stuff, because I know you're a big
Kevin J. Lindenmuth's Career
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vampire.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't let that slip by me. But anyway, I could not find out a lot of information about the making of this film or about Kevin J. Lyndon Muth. My best resources were Lyndon Muth's IMDB biography, which he wrote himself, and an interview he gave on buried.com, which was a website he also contributed to to, but this conflict of interest was not disclosed.
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Kevin J. Lyndon Muth was born in 1965 in Dearborn, Michigan. Greg, you're on the mitten. wi there Do you know much about Dearborn? I mean, it's by Detroit. So, I mean, everybody kind of knows about it It's like you hear Dearborn all the time.
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What's the vibe on Dearborn? ah so It's this roughly the same as Detroit, I would say, though, slightly removed as it's a suburb of Detroit. But I would say that outside of the context of Michigan, most people aren't going to think of it as, detroit you know, Dearborn is just probably just going to think of it as Detroit, if that makes sense.
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Okay. Okay. ah Now, in his youth, he would make short Super 8 films with the kids in the neighborhood. Classic stuff from our directors. ah He also did some stop motion animation before he started working in live action in high school.
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He attended the University of Michigan and graduated with a degree in film and video studies. And he moved to New York shortly after. Just like our old Greg. That's right.
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Uh, now, uh, he began directing his first film, vampires and other stereotypes in 1990. It's a great time. It was released. Yeah. It was released in 1994. Uh, he also contributed a segment to the anthology movie twisted tales in 1994 before tackling the first addicted to murder.
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Okay. So addicted to murder was his third film project. Pete, have you seen either of those other ones? You seen, uh, vampires and other stereotypes. No, but um I do agree that is a fantastic title, um but it has so far escaped me.
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i I'll see it eventually. I'll see what I can dig up. I'll put out my feelers. Appreciate it. So then from there, he switched from vampires to aliens. He's mixing it up.
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man He directed Alien Agenda Out of the Darkness. Alien Agenda Under the Skin and Alien Agenda Endangered Species.
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m And I got to admit, I'm curious. Yeah.
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Now, those were all anthology films. He was able to finally return to features next with Addicted to Murder, Tainted Blood.
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Now, in the interview that I read, Lyndon Muth said that ah he it would take him about six months to make a movie, but he would only spend two weeks on principal photography.
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Principal photography tends to be the most expensive part of filmmaking, so using that pre-production time to get things tightened up and keep the shooting time down would have been a great way to keep things on budget. He also appeared to shoot entirely on video, possibly VHS if I had to guess, but it could have been beta cam or, you know, who knows?
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There were a bunch of weird formats in the late 90s before digital video cropped up. no um But that is obviously an order of magnitude cheaper than shooting on film. And I'm sure a lot of our younger listeners who might have been born, say, after this movie was made,
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Might not have ever even seen a shot on video horror movie because this was definitely towards the end of the like shot on VHS era. Yeah. The late 90s. This was the last time you could be doing this.
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Let's
1998 Vampire Movies
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see. So from there, Linda Muth went on to direct one more Addicted to Murder, Addicted to Murder 3, Bloodlust. Pete, you said you saw that one. You're big fan. That was fantastic. Yeah.
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Then he did some more alien movies, a couple of werewolf movies, ah before pivoting to PBS documentaries in the mid-aughts with titles like But You Still Look So Well, Living With Multiple Sclerosis, and wow I'm Not Nuts, Living With Food Allergies.
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Okay. Ah, that's a good title for that one. Yeah. Yeah. You got to give it up to that one. He also wrote a couple of books, specifically Making Movies on Your Own, Practical Talk from Independent Filmmakers, ah which came out the same year as Tainted Blood.
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He also wrote the documentary movie making course, the starter guide to documentary filmmaking in 2010 and how to make movies, low budget slash no budget. Indie experts tell all in 2013. Nice.
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nice And then he wrote in 2016, the novel, the dead don't die. That's another great title. I'll give it him up for that one. He's really good with titles. He's got some punchy ones.
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Now, it's been hard to tell what he's been doing since then, but he's definitely not still making two movies a year. However, Vampires and Other Stereotypes was released on Blu-ray in 2023. Ooh.
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oh so hopefully we'll get to see more Lindenbooths on the horizon and get their day in the sun. Now, just to put a thing in its place, what were the other vampire movies of 1998?
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Yeah, let's get into that.
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Obviously, you've got Blade. Okay. Yep. You got John Carpenter's vampires. That's a ridiculous film. Did you know that the book that it's based on the S was a dollar sign? No.
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Yeah. That's so good. yeah I don't know why they didn't keep that. That is. Yeah. That's very. Yeah. That was, that could have saved that film.
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It would have been cool if it was one of those S's that you learn to draw as a kid. like the line Yes. cool S. The cool S. So you got ah Modern Vampires with Casper Van Dean in it.
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That's one I've never heard of, actually. It's on the Flex if you want to watch it. Probably. Probably. I mean, I know you like vampires. So you got a subspecies for blood storm.
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You guys seen any of the blood species? It's one that's on my list, but I've never dived into it. Don't know anything about it. Yeah. That's a whole other world too. it's It's a whole, like at least four entries into a vampire mini franchise that came out of the nineties.
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There's
'Addicted to Murder 2' Plot Analysis
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a meatloaf video where he plays a vampire. I do anything for love. Yeah. His character design is very similar to, the main character of the bloodstone series so keep that in mind if you make that trip all right you got something called sucker the vampire ah wrote that title down but i did not retain any information about it yeah and the wisdom of crocodiles oh i don't know what that is but i am curious that's a great title for a vampire movie it is
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Well, with that, do you guys want to talk about the plot of Addicted to Murder, Tainted Blood? Oh, yeah. All right. Let's do it.
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Plot bumper, listen to me. I'm gonna give you the plot summary. Come on, baby. Here's the synopsis.
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Plot bumper, plot bumper.
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I spilled water on my notebook and now my notes are running. Boy, what a night. That's perfect. So we open on a shot of a man named Joel, and he's wandering through the woods of Arbor Hills, Michigan.
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He's kind of doughy with a mustache and a mullet. Yeah. And we get a flashback of him breaking up with his girlfriend, Rachel, who is a vampire.
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There's lot of flashbacks in this movie. but How did you guys feel about all that? That structural technique.
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For myself, it was slightly confusing because having not seen the previous one, it was sometimes difficult to tell that they were flashing back. But I did eventually kind of figure it out.
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And then once I figured that out, that helped to unlock some of the plot for me a little bit. Be like, oh, this is a flashback. Okay. That makes sense. ah For me, having it was interesting to watch ah Addicted to Murder after this because that one was like a serial killer movie with vampires in it.
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Right. This is a vampire movie with a serial killer in it. Yeah. And i admire that choice for the director. I think that's very interesting. Salute to you, Kevin J. Lindenbooth.
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How do you feel about those flashbacks, Pete? I really liked them. It seemed like a ah way to do um do a lot of heavy lifting without a ton of investment.
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And the flashbacks, for the most part, except for one notable flashback, are all within a decade of each other, if that. Yeah. So there can be subtle variations in hairstyle or whether or not someone has a mustache and you can tell time has passed.
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But for the most part, I thought it was fun. It was a good way to propel the story and in radical directions um at a moment's notice. Yeah, it did at least keep it from getting too monotonous. You'd be like, yeah, yeah, okay yeah. yeah Because it it would be very easy for this to kind of fall into a low like a dull roar over your senses.
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You know what i mean? You got to keep shaking it up. when Because the big problem for me watching this movie was the audio quality. It's so hard to pay attention to a movie with low audio quality. It's so easy just to tune it out.
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And so, yeah, when the fact that it kept on being so dynamic and kept its scenes pretty short did help it feel sort of breezy and and less a struggle to keep up with.
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It definitely moves in a way that feels nice. Yeah. Yeah. You're never bored. You're just often confused. Yeah, yeah, yeah. ah So ah Joel is ready to move on.
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So he picks up his bed sheet full of possessions and decides to move out of Michigan. and We then cut to a New York City apartment where a vampire, I don't remember if we see who, attacks a guy but before our credits roll. This is all a cold open.
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I love a cold open. Someone's like, what the hell are you doing in my apartment? And then it just bares their fangs. It's just like, yeah, perfect. This this is success perfect. Ideal. This is perfect.
00:22:21
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What I like is that's a scene that you could have put that literally any point in the movie and it would have yeah worked just as effectively. That is just pure filler. ah Because it's not like it's communicating to the audience like, oh, and vampires are real. Like, right I kind of assumed.
00:22:39
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Yeah, we got it. this is all I saw the cover of the tape and it had a lady with fangs with blood coming out of her mouth.
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Now, Joel heads over to his job at a mechanics shop to get his last paycheck before hitting the road in his beautiful red Ford Bronco.
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He picks up a hitchhiker at a diner who kind of reminded me of Dana Scully if she was a beautician. Sure. And the they chit-chat for a little while. And Joel explains that since his mom died, he hasn't been sure what to do with himself.
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He also just seems to have very weird vibes. He seems like a strange guy. At one point, he thinks he sees Rachel in the woods by the side of the road, and he pulls over to take a look.
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And when the hitchhiker asks what's going on, he kills her. Yeah. That's what Anna told me. I was in the bathroom when that happened. So the way that it plays out is actually, like, really good, because when they're making chit-chat in the car...
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Uh, she's like, got a necklace or something. I think he asked about it. She's like, Oh, it's for luck. And then they do all the stuff. He sees her in the woods and she's like, can we get going? And he's like, yeah.
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And then the next shot is him standing outside a dumpster, holding up the necklace. And he just goes, looks like that the luck ran out. And it was just like, it was just like, I like the, like the throwback to the prior joke with the jump like that. I knew immediately what happened.
00:24:12
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You didn't have to film anything or show any blood, but it was still kind of smartly done. It was very nice moment. Yeah. Nice little setup and payoff. Yeah.
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Now we then cut to a man knocking on the front door of a very normal looking house. A woman named Karen answers the door. The man insists, it's time for you to change me before muscling his way in.
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Yeah. It turns out that Karen's a vampire. Yeah. So this guy, this guy wants her to change him in, in the vampire vampire sense in the vampire sense.
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Karen kills him instead. And then discusses with her roommate who just brought home a baby in a shopping bag for dinner. which was a great gag. No, it's great.
Character Analysis and Lore
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Cause you just hear a baby crying in the background yeah and you're like, what's going on? And then you, eventually you notice that the roommate is carrying a plastic sack and you're like, Oh, okay.
00:25:15
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Yeah. It was, that, that was good. Yeah. That, that roommate is a, that's a, that's Scooter McRae from, ah Oh, okay. Okay. Director of, director of Shattered Dead and other films. Yeah. He's awesome.
00:25:29
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Yeah. Yeah, Shattered Dead is an intense movie, dude. Not my fave, but, ah you know, it's a vibe. Yeah. It's it not one that... ah It was a little bit too intense for me. It's not one that I think I need to watch twice. But if you're looking for a zombie movie that's a bad time, check out Shattered Dead.
00:25:48
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and Plays by its own rules. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. ah Not for the faint of heart. I'll put that one on the Plex. i Okay. All right. ah Scooter McRae, I'm sorry to steal from you that way.
00:26:01
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ah Now, let's see. dotta datata So Karen is kind of upset that people have been showing up at the house a lot lately asking to be filmed. Intrusive is what it is.
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Yeah. It's like these these bums showing up every day begging for my precious blood. Get out of here. ah So she calls up her vampire friend, Angie, who's like a high ranking vampire. And if we're going be honest, I would say a total babe.
00:26:32
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Yeah, she's a beautiful vampire. I think Angie really stuck out in this movie. I think. How did you guys feel about Angie? Yeah, she she stands out. I will say that like you've also been like looking at Joel for a long portion of the beginning, and he's not a remarkable person looks-wise in any sense.
00:26:57
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like He just seems like someone you would see in a store and think, I better not walk into that person. You know what I mean? like he's He just registers as just very standard, very normal person.
00:27:10
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And so she kind of, she just kind of sticks out a little bit. She's striking and she's, she's doing a good job with the acting, which helps. Yeah. I think she was probably one of the better actors in the movie I found her to be like very sort of flirtatiously charming in this, in the role of Angie. she I think she did a great job.
00:27:27
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She's got some good depth, a lot of nuance and everything's nice. Real good. Good stuff.
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Now, They agree that this is all happening because Angie's sister, Rachel, is out there making vampires halfway and just having bad opsec on all this vampire situation.
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So Angie sends her lackey, who I think is a vampire named the Hunter, to track Rachel down and put a stop to all this. Is this was the bald guy with the goatee?
00:27:58
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. Okay. So that's not the guy that I was thinking of when I thought of the guy with the goatee. I was thinking of the man with like the ponytail and the goatee we see later. No, that's Jonathan. I referred to him in my notes as goatee.
00:28:11
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Okay. So yeah, this guy i referred to initially as Baldy, and then I switched it over to the Hunter once I got to credits.
00:28:20
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Now, ah we cut to two gals walking down a New York City street. you got Trisha. And ah she's complaining to her friend Jackie about how she's having a hard time meeting men.
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And she's she's, you know, it's tough being a single lady in New York City. Next thing we know, we're in Trisha's apartment and Angie is there. And Angie bites Trish but does not kill her, which begins Trisha's transformation into a vampire.
00:28:52
Speaker
Seems kind of hypocritical of old Angie to be coming down on Rachel for making vampires when she's making a vampire. But, you know, poverty's nerfect, I guess. Do as I say, not as I do.
00:29:06
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When Trish revives from her attack, ah she pops on some Band-Aids on her neck, which is also my go-to Halloween costume when I have to go to work that day. That's really good.
00:29:17
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And then she sits down with some ah work to do in her home office. But she gets a phone call from a prospective suitor answering a personal ad that she had placed.
00:29:29
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Yeah. They set it up and the guy shows up and he pretends to be blind to make a joke about blind dates. Yeah. And we're left at the impression that the date kind of goes downhill from there.
00:29:42
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Yeah. I think that's very effective storytelling. Yeah. I would say that this movie is made actually pretty smartly. Yeah. Just not coherent. No, no.
00:29:54
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It's a very efficient decisions along the way. No, know you'd certainly, certainly. But there's a lot more like the joke with the necklace where I was like, that's a little more clever than I would have expected when I saw the video quality.
00:30:07
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Yeah, I think it's it's filled with lots of great little isolated moments that never cohes into something. Like, anyway, anyway.
00:30:21
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Cohes a word. I understand what you were going. Coheres? Yeah, and it never comes together. Now, ah speaking of ah romance, Joel has a dream that he has sex with Rachel, but it's only a dream.
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Then Trish gets a personal ad date with another guy. And it's going decently well until she brings him home and feels compelled to bite him on the neck.
00:30:49
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That's interesting. Yeah, who I wonder what's going on there. Yeah.
00:30:55
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This makes him freak out and run away. She does draw blood. It's not like a gentle nibble or anything. No. Now, luckily, Angie has been keeping an eye on our fledgling vampire-to-be and cleans up this whole mess by following the date home, pretending to be his new upstairs neighbor in need of a can opener and then killing him.
00:31:15
Speaker
What's funny is in the first movie, ah Joel... ah gets a visit from his upstairs neighbor who's having trouble with ah the lights. Upstairs neighbors are a running theme with Kevin J. Lindenbooth.
00:31:28
Speaker
Yeah. Well, they're convenient. It's true. It's a great excuse to have two strangers meet inside an apartment building. Yeah.
00:31:37
Speaker
Now, ah Angie goes back to Trish's place ah where you can tell she's really feeding for some blood at this point. ah Specifically, she needs Angie's blood, and Angie gives it to her.
00:31:50
Speaker
But she doesn't believe that she's ready to go out on the hunt yet. Understandable. Yeah. the We then get a flashback to six months earlier where Trish learns from her doctor that she has incurable cancer ah before heading to the library to read about vampires.
00:32:08
Speaker
That's right. Oh, Lord have mercy. We got a library scene, folks. Oh, Lord have mercy. Also, definitely those books that she slaps down on the table are not library books. Like, there's no way that those books were in that library.
00:32:22
Speaker
No, I think the paperback edition of V is for vampires. Probably not. Yeah. I was just slapping it down on this ornate oak table, and it's just like, you brought those books in with you. There's no way. There's no way those are on the shelves.
00:32:39
Speaker
Now, ah back in the present. Oh, and and i guess like I guess by reading about vampires in the library, that's how she found out about vampires. But I don't think that's how Angie found her. it just Just the general idea that it's like, you've got cancer. It's like, well...
00:32:55
Speaker
Better go to the library and figure out how to become a vampire then. It's a great plan. and It's a great plan. She probably started off with how to become immortal and then was like, well, vampires. Okay, okay that's a fun. That'd be fun. Whittle it down. Yeah, I could do that. Vampires are real.
00:33:14
Speaker
I mean, it does work out. it does work out No, yeah yeah i can't I can't. You're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. you She's laughing all the way to the bank. The blood bank.
00:33:25
Speaker
There it is.
00:33:31
Speaker
Now, back in the present, ah Trish goes to hang out with Jackie some more. Now, ah Jackie says that Trish is looking much better. And Trish hints around the fact that it's become she a vampire. She's like, well, I've been hanging out with some new friends at night.
00:33:50
Speaker
Drinking something. her Her attitude during this was really lovely. Yeah, she's really feeling her oats in this scene, Trish. Yep. ah Now, she almost bites Jackie, but she regains her composure and leaves.
00:34:06
Speaker
Meanwhile, Joel continues to drive to New York City.
00:34:12
Speaker
Now, we then cut to a new vampire. This is Jonathan. Jonathan's the guy with the long hair on the goatee. This is the one that I refer to as goatee. Also, at this point, I just want to say, there did you have any questions about vampires that you haven't addressed at this point?
00:34:28
Speaker
Well, we've seen so far. Let's take a little vampire break. Sure. That's a great idea. And one thing that happens is that they do cut to talking heads and one of them is a vampire expert. This is something they also carried over from addicted ah to murder. Okay. I was curious about that. Yeah.
00:34:43
Speaker
Do they do that in three as well? Yeah, that's kind of where I think my point of confusion ah existed. Because in part three, it's not just a talking head. It's a straight up TV show, like a public access show where they have vampires on guests.
00:34:59
Speaker
They talk about the realities and the day-to-day of being vampires. That's incredible. Yeah, no, it's quite good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so with these talking heads and these very memorable characters in them, I kind of just naturally...
00:35:15
Speaker
guy merge the two films in my mind. So this conceptually carries over to part three in a, in a wonderful way for about half the movie. And then it changed of course. um Well, yeah. Why would you keep a good thing going?
00:35:29
Speaker
ah But yeah, so one of these talking heads mentioned that like, oh, and this vampires can go out during the day. They're just not as strong. Yeah. And we also saw at one point somebody holds up a cross and the vampires are afraid of the cross.
00:35:43
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And they drink blood. hmm. And that seems to be all we know about vampires here. Yeah. Yeah. So how did this vampire world building work for you, Greg? is avan So for me, I really liked it because one, it is true that traditionally vampires could go out in the sun. The first vampire to die from the sun was in the film Nosferatu.
00:36:07
Speaker
in like 1920, whatever. They just needed a way to end the film. Okay. And then also just a little fun fact, silent films also gave us the countdown because they needed a visual. So they put the number on screen. Someone's like, let's do that when we launch a rocket. That's smart.
00:36:22
Speaker
So it's interesting how much silent film has affected aspects of our society that we didn't realize. ah But yeah, so classically, like in tradition, both in like vampire folklore and also prior ah media, vampires were either just asleep during the day or just not as powerful, but it didn't kill them or anything.
00:36:45
Speaker
Interesting. Yeah. But we didn't see any like mirror stuff. We didn't talk at all about stakes or beheading. Yep. The, ah the not caring about the sign of the cross was interesting. I think everybody kind of plays around with that.
00:37:01
Speaker
I think you would in folklore, you would see like people like putting like some crucifixes and things in caskets, but that was more just because they really thought it was devil based.
00:37:14
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. Doing everything they could more to keep the devil out than to put the vampire in. I think if that makes sense. ah Like, don't you devil, don't you turn my corpse into a vampire. Don't you turn my father into a vampire kind of a thing.
00:37:32
Speaker
I hate it when the devil gets. Yeah, he's awful with that. ah So I thought that was pretty interesting to not be dealing with that. I also appreciated that they did this sympathetic vampire thing, but only for like a little bit because I don't find the sympathetic vampire like, I don't want to become a vampire. I don't want to kill.
00:37:53
Speaker
i don't find that interesting because I'd rather, again, and I want to see a vampire be a vampire. don't want to see a human be a human. I don't want to see a human not want to be a vampire. it's kind of boring to me. So I was glad that that was there, but then moved on from in that largely everybody was just committed to this world as they were creating it.
00:38:10
Speaker
But I hadn't realized that they hadn't, they actually didn't show a mirror. They didn't do the mirror image thing with this one. Well, that's also just filmically something a lot more complicated to do it's tricks with mirrors.
00:38:23
Speaker
It's true. Um, but I think the fact that, uh, the cross doesn't work is always a sign that you're in a more sort of nihilistic vampire movie when the cross is working. You don't have a faith in God to fall back on. I think that's always indicative of of a film's larger worldview.
00:38:42
Speaker
That makes sense to me.
00:38:45
Speaker
So but but but where
Narrative Dynamics and Serial Killer Cover
00:38:48
Speaker
was I? What was I even saying? ah Let's see. The one that I call goatee had just appeared. Oh, yes. Jonathan.
00:38:57
Speaker
Poor Jonathan. Oh, yeah. he Things don't go well for poor Jonathan. Now, Jonathan, he attacks a lady that he just slept with.
00:39:09
Speaker
And then Angie stops by to tell him that she's looking for Rachel and thinks he might know where she is. He says that he thinks she's in the city.
00:39:21
Speaker
So then Jonathan heads to a secret passage in the 103rd Street subway station that leads to where Rachel has been hiding. I love the way they shot that secret entrance, by the way.
00:39:32
Speaker
It really worked. Yeah. They just cut around a corner and be like, oh, yeah, he just walked. Yeah. He just walked through wall. loved it. yeah platform 5 and 3 quarters whatever it was the Harry Potter thing 9 and 3 quarters yeah yeah yeah completely ripping off Addicted to Murder 100% I've been saying it for years take him to court let's do this guess what guilty that's what I would say
00:40:02
Speaker
Now, he finds Rachel hiding in this secret lair, and she beats the shit out of him and leaves. Yeah. And Angie then finds him there. Angie just seems to pop up wherever she wants at any given time. She's great. She's very powerful.
00:40:18
Speaker
She can teleport, I believe. Yep. She says that he has a different assignment for him. Now he's going to be babysitting Trish, the fledgling vampire. So Jonathan goes to Trisha's place only to find her going a hog wild, draining the blood of another blind date.
00:40:35
Speaker
Yeah. He explains that he is going to show her the ropes and she's going to live with him for a little while. She's like, oh, I've never lived with a man before. He's like, that's not what this is like.
00:40:48
Speaker
I don't like you. And she's like blood drunk, which is great. Yeah. Real confident. And so he takes her back to his shitty apartment. and All the vampires live in shitty apartments, which I really like.
00:41:03
Speaker
And she sleeps on his couch for the next three days straight. We then cut to a talking head of an expert on vampires who explains that vampires aren't so much made as they are born.
00:41:19
Speaker
One thing is important. They must be inherently evil. So Trish was always shitty. So that's good to know. Yeah.
00:41:29
Speaker
We then get some footage of Joel talking to his dead mom in his car. And then back in the city, Angie and Karen are hanging out. Love to see them hanging out. These two are my favorites.
00:41:43
Speaker
ah They're drinking blood from wine glasses and they're torturing some dude. And they both agree that they like serial killers because they provide cover for vampires.
00:41:55
Speaker
Serial killers and vampires, ah natural symbiosis in nature.
00:42:01
Speaker
Meanwhile, the hunter that Angie had sent after Rachel shows up at Jonathan's place, hoping to get some more information about Rachel's whereabouts. And then he whips out a pair of pliers and rips Jonathan's fangs out.
00:42:16
Speaker
This was an interesting concept. Yeah, I wasn't expecting those two characters to interact. Also, just the the concept of pulling the fangs out, too. And he's just like, you know what happens to a vampire when they don't feed? And then pulls out the fangs.
00:42:30
Speaker
And it's just like, actually, in this world, i don't really I don't know what happens when a vampire doesn't feed, actually. But I'm curious. Yeah. And also we saw them sipping blood from wine glasses, so I don't think they need fangs to feed.
00:42:42
Speaker
Okay, touche. Touche. Doesn't that happen in Blade well? Which is the same year. Don't they rip out one of the characters' fangs?
00:42:54
Speaker
they might I feel like they must. Maybe like Donald Loge? Does something like that happen to Donald Loge? He was so good in Blade. I should watch that again.
00:43:06
Speaker
Yeah. Daywalker is in Blade, too. Yeah. It's true. but Specifically, Blade is the Daywalker. Just one Daywalker. I don't mean to put that plural. That's just one.
00:43:19
Speaker
Now, ah Trish goes to Jackie's place and tells her that she was always jealous of Jackie's confidence and social grace. So now she's going to take them from her and drinks her blood.
00:43:33
Speaker
So you can also transfer like social skills, abilities, knowledges through blood. that something you run into, Greg? Yeah. Uh, not that I have seen in the films that I have watched. I'm trying to think there's anything like that in folklore, but no, not, not really. No, i don't think.
00:43:55
Speaker
you It reminds me more of like, uh, the Wendigo in Ravenous and stealing the strength of, uh, the dead that you eat. I could see that.
00:44:05
Speaker
Well, Angie tells her that she's very proud of her for doing this. obviously Angie's looking at Trish, they get big success.
00:44:15
Speaker
ah Now, meanwhile, Joel's car is broken down by the side of the road or possibly before, as you say, these two things, the, the Joel timeline and the Angie timeline may not be happening concurrently or they might,
00:44:30
Speaker
It's very difficult to say. I mean, there were super titles on the screen that said like 1992 and where we were or whatever. But it's difficult to keep track even then. Yeah. Because then sometimes I forgot that sometimes we're like, let's go back to like 1761 or whatever. you' Like, OK, for a moment. There is one point. Yeah. Where they flash back to what was it? France in the 1200s. And it's yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And she just like running around.
00:44:54
Speaker
Yeah. In a cloak. So cool. Great flashback. Yeah. Mm hmm. that way That's how you know Angie's old as shit. That's what that scene was to establish. Now, ah yeah, Joel's car is broken down.
00:45:07
Speaker
A friendly hick pulls up and offers him a lift to the nearest service station. But he just needs to make a quick stop on the way. And that quick stop, that's right.
00:45:18
Speaker
It's to do some vampire shit. Yeah. Joel finds out that the Hick named Otis ah and the Hick tells him that Rachel sent him to kill Joel because Rachel will never make Joel a vampire because he is, quote, tainted blood.
00:45:39
Speaker
That's got to hurt. Yeah. ah In response, Joel slits Otis's throat and then beats his face literally into a pulp. It's one way to kill a vampire.
00:45:53
Speaker
Yeah, I guess they are vulnerable to literally having their head liquefied. Yeah. yeah That's technically a type of decapitation. yeah Yeah, perhaps a reference, yeah, to the folklore decapitation, but or just, you know, destroying someone's head.
00:46:07
Speaker
One of the two. It's true. Maybe that guy's not dead. Maybe he'll come back in three, and then his face will be completely different now. Who could Because regenerated.
00:46:17
Speaker
Now I look like Joel McHale.
00:46:23
Speaker
So ah Joel drives across the George Washington Bridge into the city. And then we cut to four years later.
00:46:31
Speaker
Presumably within those four years, a lot of the plot of Addicted to Murder happens. Now, ah Joel runs into Angie on the street.
00:46:42
Speaker
And Angie says that she will make him a vampire. The end, as I recall.
00:46:51
Speaker
Sure. Yeah, that's it. So I would say not a particularly satisfying narrative when looked at as a whole. i i could see how if you're watching the three of them or you're a big fan of the first one, how this could be a very exciting film.
Trilogy and Timeline Discussion
00:47:08
Speaker
um You go to get to see all your favorite characters back exactly You get to fill in some of the holes You get some new information yeah i may i can't i don't know It's speculation but it seems like we're probably getting more Understanding of how this vampire world Is working you know what I mean um But yeah it again it's like watching ah Episode 2 Starting Star Wars with episode 2 And then trying to figure out What the rest of the story is Based upon just that Fair enough. Well, final thoughts, five-star rating.
00:47:42
Speaker
Who wants to go first on our watchability and weird ratings? Greg, why don't you kick us off? Sure. ah So weirdness,
00:47:55
Speaker
I'm going to go, I think, a three. i think okay it's a little, I would say nothing in it is too strange.
00:48:07
Speaker
But the fact that it is like, it's like acts two in five of a seven part movie is, it's a little discombobulating. The way it is constructed is ah a little, a little left of center.
Movie's Cultural Context
00:48:24
Speaker
yeah It doesn't do anything again, too wild, but I would say that if you're just a standard viewer and you're going to plunk this in context free, you're going to be like, this is kind of weird. This is a little strange. Yeah.
00:48:35
Speaker
ah Watchability? i'm going to probably put it at a three as well, just because of the fact that it's, um again, it's it's chapters two and five or what, you know what i mean? Like, if you don't have some context of something else, you're going to kind of get lost a little bit.
00:48:53
Speaker
But I think it would be higher for me if I had seen the first one, because it's very enjoyable for what it is. I wish I had known more about the context of it.
00:49:04
Speaker
so that it could have the experience of that. Cause it seemed like it's a pretty good time.
00:49:11
Speaker
Well, how about you, Pete? Um, well, I'd say on the, on the weirdness scale, I think it's fairly, fairly low. I'd say put it maybe at a, at a two.
00:49:23
Speaker
Um, it is inventing its own. We're not inventing its own rules. It's, it's, um, it's stating its own rules of the, the vampire myth, which are,
00:49:34
Speaker
you know contrary to the ones that I know from from movies. And the first time I saw one of one of the vampires outside in the daytime, I thought, well, this is a very obvious continuity error. And the joke was on me because I didn't know the rules.
00:49:48
Speaker
And i think a lot of the... um the The watchability score for me, which I put pretty high, like a four, has to do with kind of like time capsule quality of the film.
00:50:03
Speaker
Oh, yeah. In addition to the story, which I which i do enjoy. um But there are scenes in it that are very much of their time.
00:50:14
Speaker
Yeah. That, you know, aside from just the element that it's shot on a format that doesn't really exist anymore, it's so much of the character choices, so much of the setting, so much of the the incidentals, just them walking through Times Square, you you know, clearly without a permit and just someone walking backwards with the camera.
00:50:33
Speaker
It's just it's it's wonderful. And it's such a unique moment before the turn the millennium that It's cool to have that that kind of document. I really enjoy it and for that reason and and others as well.
00:50:49
Speaker
I just say as well that i one of the reasons I like it too is the the characterization of the the vampires I think is unique from something like A Near Dark where they're all just miserable yeah and then something like ah an Anne Rice novel where they're all like grand and aristocratic.
00:51:09
Speaker
It isn't that. It's just kind of crummy. yeah Yeah. And so it's not that different from the lives of the non-vampires in the film as well. like I kind of appreciated that.
00:51:19
Speaker
They all have the same apartments. Yeah. Could I just add one thing real fast? I forgot about this. be Being a person who grew up in Michigan and then lived in New York, this movie was very strange to watch because it just felt like I was in my homes.
00:51:36
Speaker
Like, it was just say' like, yeah, I know that. Like, I mean, I didn't know the, like when they were in Michigan, I didn't know where they were, but to me it just looked like any city, Michigan. Like it just looked like Michigan.
00:51:49
Speaker
then course New York looked like New York. ah In the fact that they're shooting on VHS, it's like they can't gussy it up any. They just have a like a direct feed of what it was at the time. It's really kind of nice to see that.
00:52:00
Speaker
Yeah, I think it does really speak to both its locations and its era. I think one way that it really speaks to the time is that this is probably one of the whitest movies I've ever seen in my life. Oh, sure. like yeah All these people are very white.
00:52:18
Speaker
Yeah. Like very mid-90s. And like... and like i would never in a million years think that you would find a vampire movie where your four main vampires are named Angie, Rachel, Karen, and Trish.
00:52:37
Speaker
Yeah. you know It's such a, uh, uh, odd thing to do. that's So, so where i landed, I also gave it the double threes like Greg did. Uh, I've,
00:52:49
Speaker
that I took it down for watchability a little bit just because it is very hard to follow actively.
Creative Elements and Filming Challenges
00:52:54
Speaker
And if you're not a person that can engage in with movies and a vibes based way, you're going to have a very rough time with this.
00:53:01
Speaker
um But I did find it to be very creative. I did like this sort of working class vampires. It reminded me a lot of ah another very 90s thing. Vampire the masquerade, the role playing game. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
00:53:16
Speaker
It had a lot of those vibes in there. I like that it didn't get too bogged down in lore and that it kept moving. no But but the the sound quality and just the the script, both making it so hard to actively pay attention to, took it down for me.
00:53:36
Speaker
ah The weird for me, i thought ah it is, I'm going to say are the cheapest movie that we've ever discussed. I think this almost definitely has a lower budget than the $7,000 that was spent on a twisted pair.
00:53:52
Speaker
I could not find an exact budget, but I'm sure that it is very low. It seems like it would have to be. Which is impressive that they shot in two different states. Yeah. Although I'm sure it's because he lived in both. Yeah, he had couches he could crash on at both ends.
Narrative Structure and Improvement Suggestions
00:54:10
Speaker
And also, like... ah It was also very weird to have a movie where at any given moment you could track what was happening in front of you, but I could not place it within a larger context of a story at all.
00:54:24
Speaker
It's an interesting exercise in viewing a film. It was like if I had made a movie by taking just like nine different scenes from nine different episodes of a sitcom and just threw them all together. was like, yep.
00:54:38
Speaker
And then it's over. Yeah. So, but other than that, I would say it was not like super
00:54:50
Speaker
off-putting or na or anything. Yeah. It was just mildly discombobulating. Well, with that, with that, do you guys want to get in the final portion of the show? Sure.
00:55:02
Speaker
Absolutely. Good. Cause that's what's happening. And I think, I think one thing that we all agreed on that there was a lot to like in this movie, but maybe it could be improved. And we're going to talk about our ideas for improving it in Fixing Time.
00:55:18
Speaker
This fucking movie.
00:55:34
Speaker
I just don't know what we've got to fix it.
00:55:42
Speaker
Me and you, it's fucking garbage.
00:55:49
Speaker
Every single line, we've got to fix it.
00:55:55
Speaker
Cause it's fixing time.
00:55:59
Speaker
All right. It's fixing time. You guys, let God damn it. Do it again. it again. no no, no. The moment has passed. Listen, let's say it's 1997. I mean, we are at executives at a great Hollywood studio and we just saw addicted to murder and we thought sequel.
00:56:23
Speaker
Yeah. Yes. yeah And he's got a script already. Great. The script is locked. We can make some tweaks, but this is pretty much what we're going with, at least in terms of characters.
00:56:36
Speaker
How are we fixing this? I've got a proposal for a cast. If you guys want to hear my leveled up
Casting Ideas
00:56:42
Speaker
cast. I'd like to hear your leveled up cast. I've been scratching some things down. All right. So for ah Joel.
00:56:50
Speaker
Yeah. This one seems obvious to me. It's got to be Vincent D'Onofrio. Ooh, that's a good choice. What do you guys think? You got any alternate Joels? So I got to say I first wrote, and so I forgot that we were doing this. And so I've been thinking about this the entire time. So some of my first choices were physically based.
00:57:10
Speaker
So Danny McBride was my first choice. And I was like, that doesn't, that's yeah that makes sense, but that's not, and that doesn't feel right. And I don't know where he was at that time period. So now what I'm saying is Vince Vaughn.
00:57:23
Speaker
Okay. Yeah. He plays, he can do creepy. Yeah. And I was thinking of like his part later in the second season of true detective. Like if he could bring some of that to this, I think it could work.
00:57:38
Speaker
I could see that. Or even at some of his take on Norman Bates. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
00:57:46
Speaker
What about you, Pete? You got any, you got any Joel's or do you want to play the deciding executive? Do you want to get the final decision for who's going to fill these roles? um I mean, I have, I have one for Joel and then maybe I can, I can bounce back and forth between roles, but think in 90, 97 version, Ken Marino,
00:58:02
Speaker
version ah ken moreino Might be nice. He's New York guys, so that helps. New York guys. he's He doesn't have to travel for the shoot. and He would have been in the state at that point? Or would the state have just been finishing up around then?
00:58:19
Speaker
I mean, I'm i'm in favor of of an entire The State recast for this film. Like, across the board. Yeah. um But I would settle for it. If we'd only get then a you had to go picture.
00:58:34
Speaker
I mean, ah I think Carrie Kenny could obviously play a great Trish now that you mentioned her. Incredible, right? Just the best. Well, my my pitch for Trish, yeah Jennifer Love Hewitt.
00:58:47
Speaker
um Okay. I feel like she's not going to get the kind of darkness that I want out of Trish. I said Brittany Murphy. Okay. Yeah. yeah Also very New York-y.
00:59:01
Speaker
Yeah. um i think I think Love Hewitt could get there. I don't think she was ever asked to get there, but I think she could. I think she's got that in her. I like that you think that.
00:59:12
Speaker
ah Pete, you got it, Trish? um No, I think that's perfect. 97 was like, can't hardly wait, maybe? ah Yeah, or at the very least. Yeah, that might have been like 99, but I think I know what you did last summer.
00:59:27
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I think that's perfect. She was in that. yeah there Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. was like, what are you waiting for? That, uh, that kind of Jennifer Love Hewitt in there. All right. Angie, Angie, I've got Catherine Zeta Jones.
00:59:43
Speaker
So I said Salma Hayek and I feel like we're both doing the same thing. We're dancing around each other. Yeah. Yeah. I could go either one, honestly. The argument that I'm going to make for CZJ is ah that Salma Hayek does vampires in ah From Dusk Till Dawn. She's already got her vampire picture. And i think that's also, I'm kind of right there with you because I think that's why I picked her.
01:00:14
Speaker
And now that I'm thinking about it, i kind of want to see Catherine Zeta-Jones more than I do Salma Hayek. Yeah. She's got that more of like a flirty nature. I don't think I'm Selma Hayek as being flirty. I think Catherine Zeta Jones can do flirty. Yeah, but I could see her. I think Selma Hayek is a pretty, so has it like a commanding presence, which I feel like Trish.
01:00:40
Speaker
Angie. Angie. Yes. So that, yeah, Angie. I think that she kind of had that kind of commanding presence. All right, Pete, you on board for CZJ as Angie. I mean, I think that's good. I think if we're, if we're going, if we're, if we're casting some comedy people, I think maybe ah a 97 era Janine Garofalo could be wonderful in that too.
01:01:04
Speaker
Yeah. Also keeping the New York cast local as well. Absolutely. ah very, but another interesting headshot up on the board.
01:01:15
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Any, any period of, of any of these people's lives would be perfect in this film, in my opinion. All right. So for Rachel, very mysterious.
01:01:26
Speaker
Very beautiful. I went for Liv Tyler. So Rachel is one I didn't even think about casting because she seems, well, she has a significant role within the context of the film.
01:01:39
Speaker
Her part within the film was relatively small. Yes. a lot screen time. it's difficult for me to think of someone off the top of my head as to who that would be because I'm having trouble even kind of remembering her character.
01:01:52
Speaker
But maybe Farazullah Balkh. Feruza Balk? Yeah. She's got a very striking screen presence. Yeah. And I think she could play that kind of like twisted love interest to a serial killer, but kind of maternal aspects of the evil society kind of a thing.
01:02:15
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, in that direction, you could even go for ah Patricia Arquette. Yeah. How about you being any Rachel thoughts? no rachel's is like the most vibes character in the film and that she has pretty much no lines and and hardly any screen time but is so pivotal yeah so you can't cast jace just for a face yeah is the nice thing about rachel yeah you can uh i kind of leave it leave it to y'all on that one okay all right all right karen i got a slam dunk for karen here who you got natasha leone
01:02:53
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Okay. Yeah. so So Karen is the the one that the person showed up at the apartment of, correct? Yes. So I said Alyssa Milano, but that's more because I just wanted to get her in there. She's got like kind of a vampire pedigree. I knew her from a vampire film called Embrace the Vampire, as would be where she was like kind of the timid one becoming the vampire. i think it would be fun to see her be this, like, we got to stop this shit kind of a vampire. I think it would be a fun turn for her.
01:03:22
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Okay. Okay. What about your you, Pete? Which, um, this is an embarrassing question. Which character is this? Karen is the one that calls up Angie and is like, Angie, we got a problem with guys showing up at my house.
01:03:36
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Oh, oh yeah. Okay. Back on board. Thank you. Um, maybe, uh, like BB Newworth. Ooh.
01:03:47
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I'd love to see B.B. New Worth as a vampire, especially. Yeah. havenvan bb Yeah. Yeah. That'd be rad. That'd be super cool. Yeah. She could bring out a totally different energy to it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Jonathan, I'm going to go for James Duvall.
01:04:04
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You might know from Greg Araki's nowhere. He was also in Independence Day. James Duvall. James Duvall. I'm going to take a look at a picture here, listeners. That's what this pause is. He's also in May.
01:04:19
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Listeners, if you need to take out your phone and Google James Duvall. Okay, yeah, can see where you're coming from with that one. um i said James Spader, which is a bit different casketing, but that was where my head went.
01:04:38
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Yeah. But I feel like he had a bit of an older vibe to him. Like he had that kind of curmudgeon-y kind of. He was a bit cranky, yeah. Yeah, so that's why I think I went a little older.
01:04:50
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My first guess was Antonio Banderas, which I think would also function in a way.
01:04:56
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i I feel like Antonio Banderas would almost be too big. Because you want someone that can get pushed around by Angie. That's fair. That's fair. And so that's why I think later I was just like, yeah, you're just basing that on like the ponytail, I think.
01:05:10
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Because again, mean you're going by looks again. Yeah, yeah. i went looks first. And now after i was like, you know, no, actually vibes wise. I think James Spader could pull that off. This kind of like my shits over here.
01:05:21
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Your shits over there. I'm going to help you. I don't like this. I got shit I got to do. Yeah. You got any Jonathan's Pete? Yeah. I'd say, um i mean, if we're keeping things in ah in a 97 era casting, um I'd say so fresh off his star turn from singles. You might get like a Chris Cornell in there. Ooh. Okay.
01:05:43
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Okay. Yeah. little stunt casting. Yeah. Yeah. Really mix it up and maybe he can get on the soundtrack as well. Yeah. Yes. which Perfect. That's brand. That'd be a great get.
01:05:54
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Yeah. Not that the soundtrack needs a note of change. We'll get to that. No, I did. I did put the score was done by Alucarda. I have a oh yeah snippet of some of the Alucarda score that will be closing out the episode.
01:06:10
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Listeners stick around for that. right. out Okay. We're almost through ah the Hunter. I went for Delroy Lindo. I'd love to see Delroy Linto play a badass vampire. that hunts other people.
01:06:22
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Yeah. Yeah. This is one I hadn't cast, but yeah, that makes good sense to me. Yeah. Three for three on that. All right. We're locking Delroy. Yep. Yeah. yeah Uh, all right.
01:06:34
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Jackie for Jackie. I went for Laura Kightlinger. the standup comedian listeners might know her from shallow Hal, where she played one of Hal's coworkers because she was dating Jack black at the time, but she looked a lot like this lady back at this time.
01:06:53
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I said, Courtney Cox, but I think I could also go Parker Posey though. She's probably a little too big for this one, but I think she would fit well for the role. In 97, she wouldn't, because that would have been around when she was doing party girls. She would have been perfect.
01:07:09
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right. And last but not least, Otis. You got to go with Tim Blake Nelson. which Who was Otis? zotis Otis was the hick vampire wearing the cap.
01:07:21
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Oh, okay. Incredible character turn on Otis. Yeah. He's the one who ends up getting his throat slit, right? Yeah, and his face bashed him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:07:34
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Yeah, who would I put for Otis? Otis. I mean, you can really goof it up. I if you could get John Malkovich, I would love that. Ooh. I mean, with the budget we've got, we can get anybody.
01:07:46
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So Malkovich is in. Yeah. Don Knotts.
01:07:51
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You'd never expect him to turn out to be a vampire. Why you going to stop off at this house? Because I'm a vampire. you have any blood? You don't want to give your blood to me?
01:08:06
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so I think like a very, very friendly 97 era Werner Herzog would be great there too. Oh. Yes. Like being super charming, but but there's a menace in the background. Yeah, yeah because he he could turn like that.
01:08:24
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Steve Buscemi was another thought that came to me. I feel like he's an interesting person. Be like, I'm going to pick you up as a hitchhiker,
Game Segment: 'This Guy Played That Guy'
01:08:31
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but it turns out I'm a vampire and I'm going to kill you. Yeah, he would have been a go-to guy for that in 97. You could have gotten a couple more people in the theater if they knew that you were going to have Steve Buscemi as a hick vampire in your movie. Well, I think we've got a great cast here.
01:08:48
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No, I really enjoyed that. That was nice. Well, do you guys want to play ah little game? Yes. yeah all right, we're going to play a little this guy played that guy.
01:09:06
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This guy played that guy. Yeah! This guy played that guy. This guy played that guy. a film!
01:09:26
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That's right, we're playing This Guy Played That Guy. We're going to be doing it with the films of Sasha Graham, the charming young actress that played Angie. Uh, so I have got nine questions here. I will give you the title of the film, the year it came out, a brief description and three names. You will tell me which one is the name of the character played by Sasha Graham.
01:09:51
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This is a buzz in game and you'll buzz in by saying your own name. Please wait until I finished reading the entire question. do you guys have any questions for me?
01:10:02
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No. No. All right. then let's get it going. Question number one, hands on buzzers. Okay. Gargoyle girls. That's tough to say.
01:10:15
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Gargoyle girls. Try saying that. hope Can you guys try saying that really quick? Gargoyle girls. Gargoyle girl. That's tricky. Gargoyle girls. Gargoyle girls. Gargoyle girls. Yeah. The third time got very difficult.
01:10:29
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Yeah. Gargoyle Girls, 1998. nineteen ninety eight The story of two 12th century female gargoyles released in the 20th century.
01:10:41
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Classic. Did Sasha Graham play Lois, Gwendolyn, or Diana? Greg. Greg?
01:10:52
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Gwendolyn.
01:10:55
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That's correct. Greg is on the board. Well done. Question number two. Gut pile. Also 1998. Okay.
01:11:06
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okay A year after a tragic fatal hunting accident, Dan returns to the woods only to be hunted by the man he accidentally shot.
01:11:18
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Did Sasha Graham play deputy sheriff or unnamed woman? Okay.
01:11:33
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Greg? Greg? Deputy?
01:11:39
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You're two for two, Greg.
01:11:44
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Pete, you better watch out. He's going to run away with it. um this This is wonderful. Question number three. Crimson Nights 2000. A plague of vampirism is sweeping New York City.
01:11:58
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Susan bites her boyfriend, Bert, who bites Jasmine, who bites Kate, and so on. Did Sasha Graham play Cynthia, Jasmine, or Kate?
01:12:13
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ah Pete. Pete? I'm going to go with um Kate.
01:12:21
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No, I'm sorry. That's not correct. Greg, can you steal? Jasmine. Jasmine.
01:12:28
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I'm sorry, Sasha Graham played Cynthia. Okay. and Okay. Question number four. The Enchanted Kitchen, 2018. twenty eighteen Oh, good.
01:12:40
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A tarot diva implements her special brand of magic and her serious cooking chops to teach viewers how to cook with intention. On each episode, she draws a card from the tarot to inspire a special dish.
01:12:55
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Did... Sasha Graham play Lenore, Gigi, or herself?
01:13:03
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Greg. Greg? Herself.
01:13:08
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That's correct. This was a cooking show she made where she plays tarot on it.
01:13:14
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We have to track that down. yeah That sounds good. That sounds. I'm in. Today's rabbit dish is being inspired by ah the chariots.
01:13:26
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Three of cups, eh? That means we're going to need three cups of flour. We'll bake it again. It's a big cake. It is.
01:13:40
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Question number five. Bloodletting. nineteen ninety seven A young woman fascinated with mass murderers tracks down the world's most famous uncaught serial killer and becomes his apprentice.
01:13:56
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Did Sasha Graham play Bobby Joe, Serena, Patty?
01:14:05
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Greg. Greg. Serena.
01:14:11
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um I'm sorry, Pete. Can you steal? I'm to go with Patty.
01:14:18
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That is correct. Pete's on the board. Let's go.
01:14:24
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All right. Question number six. Alien Agenda, Out of the Darkness, 1996. Also directed by Kevin J. Lindenmuth. Yeah, that's okay. A lone survivor in a not-too-distant future uses a time machine to look back in time to see how his world came to be the way it is in this sci-fi anthology.
01:14:47
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Did Sasha Graham play daughter, Becky, or Linda?
01:14:57
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Greg. Greg? Daughter.
01:15:02
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yeah No, I'm sorry. ah Pete. Pete? Becky. That's correct. Pete's on the comeback trail.
01:15:13
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Let's go. All right. Somebody's opened up his IMDB page. I can see it.
01:15:20
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I don't know if these are on there. ah That's where I found him. ah Question number seven.
01:15:28
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Screamwalkers 2024. Yeah, that's great. CJ Wyatt is in the center of the strange killings in her hometown. CJ learns that each of her friends murders gets the killer...
01:15:46
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What the fuck? Oh, okay. CJ learns that each of her friends murders sets the killer one step closer to her discovering the terrifying truth of the mysterious scream walkers.
01:15:59
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That was not a fucking sentence. I apologize, fellas. It's okay. Did Sasha Graham play Faith Buchanan, CJ Wyatt, or Mrs. Penny?
01:16:12
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Greg. Greg. CJ Wyatt. I'm a little apprehensive about it. You should have been more apprehensive. Beat. I'm going to go. Faith was Buchanan.
01:16:25
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Faith Buchanan. It was Faith Buchanan. It's all tied up. We got ourselves a game. phone no here it is Here it is. Okay.
01:16:34
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Question number eight.
01:16:37
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One take 1998. ninety ninety eight
01:16:42
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a young man receives a mysterious card from his dead ex-girlfriend, which leads him to discoveries that forever change his take on love, life, and sacrifice.
01:16:57
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Did Sasha Graham play Donna, Darlene, or Dawn? ah Greg. Greg? Darlene.
01:17:09
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Sorry. Pete, can you steal? Dawn. Oh my God. Pete has been crushing it with these steals. Oh no. Here it is. Oh boy. All right.
01:17:20
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All right. It all comes down to this. Let's see if Greg can tie it up. Question number nine. Polymorph 1996.
01:17:31
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An alien ship crash lands on earth and the creature inside starts taking over people's bodies. Did Sasha Graham play Tarper, Donna, or Regine?
01:17:50
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could you support yeah Tarper, Donna, or Regine?
01:17:59
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Pete? ah Pete, I'm going to go with with the first one. Tarper? That's correct, Pete. Coming from behind with a dominant second half.
Seduction Cinema Discussion
01:18:10
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Way to go, Pete. Wow. I really thought I was so confident after my first half. I kind of just was like, I'm just going to go with my guts and ride it out.
01:18:18
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They sort favor me. He rope-a-doped you. He did. Also, she was a bit of a screen queen, I feel like. Yeah, yeah. She did a lot of horror in the tri-state area. She yeah worked a lot with the the company that like Misty Monday worked with, I think, as Seduction Cinema.
01:18:34
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Okay. Okay. the makers of Lord of the G strings. Oh yeah. Uh, we haven't covered any of those. We probably won't cause no one likes those.
01:18:45
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I don't, but it's one of those things that I like, I know of, I just don't know what it is. ah Well, they were, ah Seduction Cinema was a company that was based out of Northern Jersey and they made like goofy, soft core porn parodies.
01:19:01
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Okay. None of them were great. Their
The Batty Awards Ceremony
01:19:05
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big breakout star was a gal named Misty Monday who appeared in most of their films. And they also did, ah they didn't only do parodies, but they did things like Spider Babe, Lord of the G Strings.
01:19:16
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Yeah. Yeah. you know they did something about some sort of dark knight parody possibly calling like the dark wench i don't know shit like that that makes sense i'm pretty sure the gal they had playing the joker had tattoos of flames coming out of her nipples that's something that i am bouncing around the back of my brain okay and i wish i didn't yeah uh oh it's time for the baddie award
01:19:47
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Now you're messing with the Batty Awards. Congratulations all the nominees.
01:20:13
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That's right. Congratulations to all our nominees. Congratulations to you listeners. You made it to the Batty Awards. I'll kick us off. I'm going to give out my Batty Award to favorite piece of environmental storytelling.
01:20:25
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o And that's going to go to the Eraserhead poster that was hanging in Karen's kitchen. Nice. It was very funny to be like think of like a vampire being like, you know what's a good movie? Eraserhead.
01:20:41
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You know, like, I think that says so much about the type of vampires that this movie is about. Yeah.
01:20:49
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Greg, do you have a Batty Award? I do. ah This week's Batty Award is actually going to go to two two contestants. um Okay. And this is the Scene Stealer Award.
01:21:02
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And I am going to give that to um I got a look at the guy's name. Jonas Collins. I'm going to give that to his eyeglass chain and mustache.
01:21:13
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um Because there is one point at which he like does something with his eyeglasses. He's got an eyeglass chain. And for viewers at at home, listeners at home, has what is like a handlebar mustache.
01:21:24
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It doesn't curl around so much. It kind of curls up in the eye. Just almost straight out. Yeah. And then the eyeglass chain gets caught on it. It's just dangling off of his mustache while he's talking. And the honest truth is that I i couldn't understand a word of what he said because i was just staring at that eyeglasses chain dangling off that mustache and just like he doesn't even realize it because there's no nerves in here.
01:21:49
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Uh, and so I was just having a ball with that at the time. And I, again, i was just like, I love these bits with the expert, but I'm just looking at this chain in that beautiful mustache and just having a ball.
01:22:03
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Oh yeah. I wish I had noticed that. Yeah. a Wonderful detail.
01:22:08
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Pete, do you have a batty award? I do. i I had trouble selecting who what would be, what would win the award. um maybe if i can like tier it in uh like non-hierarchical places of all of these are winners absolutely order um the first is is kind of just the all the the background or the the characters who play smaller parts in the film like the uh the guy who comes into the apartment initially to be changed his his intensity is striking and he's it's
01:22:47
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pretty pretty frightening dude similarly otis at the end the uh the person who's sent to kill joel the way he's so uh relaxed and and confident in his nihilism is is pretty horrifying and uh also i like the the way in which he kind of just dismisses joel's uh wondering if if uh ah Rachel is in the room. He's like, I don't see her anywhere while he's standing over a corpse. you know
01:23:18
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yeah It's pretty wild. In what might be second or third or first place is the lighting. the lighting A lot of fun lighting in this. It's truly inventive and um of its time, but also you know they're just having fun with it.
01:23:37
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and It becomes like ah its own little character when in multiple viewings to see how they, they, they lit a particular room in an inventive way, what shadows they put up, what red or green gels they threw in front of them. It's, it's pretty awesome.
01:23:56
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Um, and then finally, we mentioned it earlier, but Alucarda who does the score, um, is it, it's just incredible from start to finish. It's so great. And, um,
01:24:10
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I, I, the, from the first, first tune all the way through the end. Um, although I think on the credits, it might be a different, um, I think they had a band coming into the ah closing credits song, but all the kind of like dark, uh, music that runs throughout is, is really, really wonderful. And, and ah it just fits the mood for the film. I think pretty, pretty well, um, under, undersung, uh, band that, that a la carta, I wish I knew more about them.
01:24:40
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but they're wonderful. Yeah. Alucard, if you're listening, get in touch. Listeners, if you want to get in touch, what you could shoot us an email, you could follow us ah on any of the social media. You can find all that stuff in ah the link tree. That's in the show description.
01:24:58
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But before I start plugging too hard, ah Pete, do you have anything that you want to plug? Thank you so much for being here this week. First of all. Oh my God. This is a dream come true. Thank you all. This is just the best. yeah now Great to see you. Great to catch up with you. Great to watch this movie.
01:25:13
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Do you have anything you want to plug? um I would say um check out if you can. um If it's in your area or you it's online near you.
01:25:24
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um Scooter McRae, who has an excellent cameo in this, the one who's holding the bag with the the baby in it in the apartment scene. He has a new film out. I haven't checked it out, but maybe we could all watch it at the same time together. It's called Black Eyed Susan.
01:25:38
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came out last year horror movie. I'm sure it's pretty cool. I don't have much to plug on my own, but I'm happy to pay forward the the wonderful joy of ah the the cast of Addicted to Murder, Part 2. You'll notice Scooter McCray was the only one that we did not recast in Fixing Time. Scooter McCray, he stays in the picture.
01:26:00
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the boy Scooter's incredible. Just powerful presence and and just ah steals every scene of every movie he's in. Yeah, perfect for the role.
Conclusion and Next Episode Teaser
01:26:11
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01:26:28
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01:27:00
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