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Episode 43: Get Over It featuring Julie Setting
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Chris, Anna and Greg sit-in with our favorite sex therapist, Julie Setting, who has brought Get Over It (2001) to discuss. It’s a horny, maximalist, teen rom-com that was part of the larger Shakespeare-to-screen trend of the 90s and beyond. It’s also full of surprises, strong performances and a loaded cast including Kirsten Dunst and Ben Foster. Don’t let this one slip under your radar; tune in!
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Transcript
Podcast Introduction and Guest Introduction
00:00:39
Speaker
Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to your favorite bad movie podcast. The only podcast that's brave enough to ask the question, if this movie's so bad, why do you like it so much?
00:00:53
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We're your hosts. My name is Chris Anderson. And with me, as always, I have the dentist to my Felix, Mr. Greg Bossy. Hello. And of course, we have my wonderful wife, the Kelly to my Burke, Ms. Anna Anderson.
00:01:14
Speaker
Hello. How are you, my dove? I'm hanging in there. I'm glad to hear And of course... We have our very special guest this week.
00:01:27
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You might know her as a friend, as a sister, as a special person that leads you through your life. You might not even know them at all, but you should know that they are the striker coming in and wrecking our whole shit with get over it. That's right. It's Julie setting. Julie, thank you for coming.
00:01:47
Speaker
Hello. I am so glad to be here. We're glad to have you. Now you chose.
Summary and Discussion of 'Get Over It'
00:01:53
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get over it and some of our listeners might not be familiar with get over it but fear not listener i have prepared a brief summary of the film
00:02:10
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burke landers will do anything to get back with his ex-girlfriend but when he enlists the help of his little sister to get closer to her things get a lot more complicated
00:02:25
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Best friend's little sister. Yeah, best friend's little sister. Yeah, Jesus. I knew I i stumbled over my words. That makes more sense. Yeah. He does not fall in love with his own little sister. who listen Yeah, that's important.
00:02:40
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ah Now, Julie, what drove you to choose Get Over It when I asked for your favorite bad movie?
00:02:47
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This movie is
00:02:51
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delicious in like every aspect of like there isn't a moment wasted and know that's true has nonsense it has a musical number it opens with a musical number it is technically a musical i feel yeah i would i would probably call it a musical i think uh cisco is in it yeah like there's just so many pieces of it that you're like this can't be good And then from the moment it starts till the moment it's over, I'm engrossed by it.
00:03:24
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i i just love it. I love the adaptation and that it from the jump just sort of tells you like, we are here to have a good time, get on board or go home.
00:03:38
Speaker
Yeah, it it does truly announce itself. And like, I'm pretty sure I've told this story before on the podcast, but like I had a professor who talked about the opening scene of Carrie.
00:03:51
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And the first thing that you see is a lot of full frontal nudity and people menstruating. And you're like, whoa, what is going on? How, um you know, you know that you're sort of in the hands of a madman who will show you anything, break any sort of boundaries because it's so taboo. This is something you never see on film.
00:04:08
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And like, and announcing yourself with something big like that. And this movie is definitely something that like steps out of the curtain and says, ta-da, it's me. You're watching me the movie. Uh, uh, I wrote this movie is not afraid.
00:04:23
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No, it is not afraid of anything. And there were so many rom-coms out at this time. And I am, as funny enough, when job being a sex and relationship therapist, I'm not a rom-com person.
Hosts' Initial Reactions and Cast Discussion
00:04:37
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Or maybe that matches with what my job is. yeah I do do a lot of telling people, like, maybe maybe we should unpack that. That might be a little a bit of an unreasonable ah reality you've crafted.
00:04:51
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But I'm not a rom-com person. And this movie does such a good job of being like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a love story. But it's fun.
00:05:02
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e It does not take itself too seriously. one not Oh, no yeah Greg, Anna, had either you guys seen this one before? No, I honestly, I missed this one. ah if If you had told me ah before learning of this movie...
00:05:20
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ah When Julie picked it, i if you told me Kirsten Dunst and Sisko were in a movie together, i would have thought it was 30 Rock joke, to be honest.
00:05:32
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Which is it really is strange, because I think I watched think i watched the other teen Shakespeare's, but we'll get into that. I did research.
00:05:42
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Yes, listeners, get excited. Greg, have you seen this one before? ah so So, I thought that I didn't know what it was, and then I saw the poster, and I was like, oh that movie. And I thought certain things about it, and it it turns out I was not thinking of the movie that it is.
00:06:01
Speaker
So this was one of those that had just like got lost in the annals of time, and I'd conflated it with various other things that I never saw. uh i had like no real idea what this was when i was getting into the thing so it all came as a surprise a pleasant surprise i'm sure oh very much so very much so greg can i ask you to tell me about the movie you thought it was i want to see if i can identify so i don't know if i thought of anything like in particular i think it was just like the movie poster seemed like so many other movie but like in my head
00:06:35
Speaker
instead of her i just double checked this i was like she's holding like a super soaker on the poster right it is a crossbow yeah which makes sense now but like that's the level of like conflation i had with it it's like oh that's like that romantic comedy where like a super soaker and like ninety s tank tops or
Production Background and Influences
00:06:54
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something like i had no real it was just a mishmash of just like romantic guest e sex comedy mush basically and i don't even think i knew it was a sex comedy at the time this is definitely a sex comedy to an extent it's very horny at least oh for sure horny probably another reason why i still have so much affection for it it's horny this is definitely one of its charms for sure
00:07:23
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I remember I did watch this one ah back when my video store days, you know, because you would always keep abreast of like popular new releases, even if they weren't particularly interesting looking.
00:07:37
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and but This was just something that you would throw on at the store and half pay attention to. Uh, it was that sort of vibe to me, but I, I remembered liking Ben Foster in it. And I remembered liking Kirsten Dunst and I'd like them more on this rewatch. I think they're a big part of what I liked about this movie too. They're they're on screen chemistry. I think was very interesting.
00:07:58
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Uh, but Other than that, I hadn't really thought about it, I want to say, in about 20 years. So it was nice to to get a chance to revisit it. And I i was genuinely pleased.
00:08:10
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With that, do you guys want to hear the research I found or the research I did please about the context? Okay. let's say Okay. ok okay Okay. Awesome.
00:08:21
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Here comes the context portion of the show.
00:09:04
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Get Over It came out in 2001 and is directed by Tommy O'Haver. I found five taglines for the film. I'm going to read them to you in orders from best to worst.
00:09:20
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In my opinion. Number one, get dumped, get pumped, get even. Okay. i I don't think it accurately describes the film. I don't know why I put that at number one.
00:09:35
Speaker
okay uh tagline number two let the party begin that's just a great tagline for any movie no that's solid well most many many movies it's true probably not like schindler's list yeah uh young free and single again not bad that's interesting
00:10:02
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All right. ah And the longest and worst one. Would you dump this guy? She did. She wouldn't split happens.
00:10:14
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oh woof Yeah. i don' They tried to jam a bunch of things together. That that that one seemed like it was done by committee. So Tommy O. Haver was born in Carmel, Indiana in 1968.
00:10:30
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By the age of nine, he knew he was gay. By the time he graduated college, he knew he wanted to be a film critic. He got his BA from Indiana use University and an MFA from the University of Southern California School of Cinematic Arts.
00:10:47
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and okay Then he got a job working in the mailroom at New Line Pictures, and that's when he knew he wanted to be a director. He directed a five-minute short film called Catalina,
00:11:00
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this laid the groundwork for O'Haver's only financially successful film, Billy's Hollywood Screen Kiss, a gay romantic comedy that took place in Hollywood and had some semi-autobiographical aspects to it.
00:11:15
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But it also had a little bit of the sort of more expressionist elements that you see in Get Over It. Anybody seen Billy's Hollywood Screen Kiss? No. No. What year was that?
00:11:26
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I want to say it was like 98. ah And it starred the guy that played ah Jack on Will and Grace. This is how he landed that role.
00:11:37
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Oh. But ah it had a good reputation. I sold a lot of copies of it on the video store at Christopher Street. Okay. Now, ah Hollywood Screen Kisses success opened the door for O'Haver's next project, and you might have heard of it.
00:11:55
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It's a teen romantic comedy adapting a timeless classic beloved by Generations. That's right. Tommy O'Haver's next project was going to be adapting Archie.
00:12:11
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Wow. Wow. That project fell through, as did his next slated project, which was simply titled White Trash Christmas. Okay. Aw.
00:12:23
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Yeah. The world's loss. ah Now, I thought for sure when I saw that in my research that I was going to find out if I looked
Film's Reception and Shakespearean Elements
00:12:32
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hard enough that this sort of Archie prep work that he did got repurposed into Get Over It. You could easily see Burke being an Archie and, you know, he's in love with two girls.
00:12:45
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Felix is sort of a, what was the asshole... Reggie. Reggie. You're sort of a Reggie. Nope. No. Cisco. i mean i yeah Yeah. I mean, I knew he wasn't an asshole, but I was just like, it's the only other one I can remember from the from the strip, you know? So I feel like they all, I thought I was going to find that, but I did not get over. It was actually written by r Lee Fleming, Jr. Who had also written the movie. She's all that.
00:13:17
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ah Now, She's All That was a hit, so he dusted off his old script for Get Over It and started shopping it around. He had written it before, he just wasn't able to sell it. Okay. Now, noted pile of human filth, Harvey Weinstein, got a hold of the script, and he wanted to produce it.
00:13:35
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But he suggested to Fleming a little adjustment that he could make. Add some Shakespeare to it. He had just had a big hit with Shakespeare in Love. He knew Shakespeare was hot. Put a little Shakespeare in it.
00:13:48
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And ah this Shakespeare was what ended up piquing O'Haver's interest when the script landed on his desk. That and and because he hadn't worked in three years. ah So I'm sure he was just excited to do something. ah Weinstein also brought on cinematographer Maurice Aberti, who shot such classics as Todd Salon's Happiness, the classic drag ball documentary Paris is Burning, and also Velvet Goldmine.
00:14:18
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Definitely ah three movies that would prepare you for this teen sex comedy. It's a surprisingly good looking film. I'll give you that. It's something I hadn't really considered much while I was watching it. But, you know, yeah, it's that's a fair point.
00:14:35
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I feel like cinematographer is such a fascinating film. job because i feel like it's always when you look at their careers they span genres like that who is that guy you had me looking at the other night chris i do not know all right not important everybody no sorry in in one lo of my brain and at the other And also, when I say it's a good-looking movie, I want to clarify.
00:15:08
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i think the art direction is very, very, very much of its era, and it has an aesthetic that has not aged very well. Agreed.
Character Analysis and Comedic Elements
00:15:17
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The sort of early aughts, retro 70s look is just very strange. a lot of low-rise, a lot of mid-drifts. that that's not the worst That's not what I'm complaining about.
00:15:28
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But like there are other Well, what's interesting thinking about the other films that the cinematographer has done is like there are major portions of this movie that happen on a stage.
00:15:41
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And being able to like film, like present that in a way that it's like you're watching a play inside of a movie and it's still interesting and good.
00:15:53
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And you're getting that dual experience. I think cinematography has a lot to do with what makes that work in this particular film. Yeah. And also so ah generating the, ah or the look of the fantasy sequences, the within Midsummer Night Dream sequences and having, being able to create two distinct visual aesthetics that also work together is I think, you know, no small task. I think that's commendable.
00:16:21
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Right. Right. yeah in addition I love that it had like, even in the dream sequences, it's just like, and here's the fake stage trees. Yeah. yeah know Some teenager painted like absolutely yeah perfect.
00:16:36
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Yeah. I think there are a lot of sort of expressionistic elements to this. And obviously you can go even wild with that in a, in a dream or fantasy sequence. And I think, yeah I think it works.
00:16:48
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Now, An all-star cast was assembled, or at the very least, a some-star cast was assembled. You got Kirsten Dunst, Ben Foster, Shane West, Colin Hanks, and Mila Kunis.
00:17:05
Speaker
That's a pretty solid cast of radical teens, I want to say right there. Which one was Shane West? Shane West was Striker. Okay, that's what I thought.
00:17:15
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You also had Swoozie Kurtz, Ed Begley Jr., and Martin Short filling out the comedic adult roles. You want to bring in some ringers for your comedic adults, and these were great ringers.
00:17:29
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And then you also had ah sort of MTV celebrities, Vitamin C, Sisko, Coolio, and Carmen Electra all up in the mix, giving it that MTV cool.
00:17:43
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I forgot Coolio was in this. He's fantastic in this, despite the fact that he's just got the one line, I think. Yeah, great use of Coolio. Yes. You're saying about his delivery?
00:17:55
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It's just, it's perfect. Like, it's just a chef's kiss. It's exactly what you want in that moment of, like, every level of discomfort is so perfectly delivered.
00:18:06
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I feel like this is probably the best use of Coolio I've ever seen on film. Cause I've seen him do a couple of cameos and a couple of things here and there, and and he never comes off great here is like perfect. Yeah.
00:18:17
Speaker
In and out. You're not asking too much of the man. Now on top of that, uh, Aaliyah was initially cast as Maggie, but her untimely death led her to being replaced by Zoe Saldana.
00:18:30
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Ah, that's so weird. I mean, that said, I, uh, From what I remember of Queen of the Damned, going say Zoe Saldana, better actress than Aaliyah. So probably ah a loss in terms of star power, but a gain in terms of acting.
00:18:47
Speaker
Now, despite all these many strengths, Get Over It failed to make back its budget at the box office. This seems to largely be due ah to the fact that it was, according to both audiences and critics, not that good.
00:19:02
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Nice.
00:19:06
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No accounting for taste. They all watched a different movie. They're like, i don't want anyone else to know about Get Over It. This is my special movie. I'll tell other people it's bad.
00:19:19
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Other teen comedies of 2001. And I think part of this is going to reveal why it didn't quite connect. ah But you had The Princess Diaries. ah You had Bubble Boy.
00:19:33
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Josie and the Pussycats. Obviously people love Josie and the Pussycats, but that didn't really connect at the time either. ah Sugar and Spice, the movie about cheerleaders at Rababank.
00:19:46
Speaker
Save the Last Dance. Well, now that one was great. That's a great flick. Everybody enjoyed that. Julia Stiles, right? Julia Stiles, yeah. Queen of teen Shakespeare.
00:19:58
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Yeah. Yeah. ah But also that year you had three notable parodies of teen comedies coming out. You had not another teen movie. You had scary movie too.
00:20:11
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And you had wet, hot American summer. Great movie. Yeah. Yeah. And so I think that sort of shows that the teen comedy genre, that sort of mini cycle that it had from the late nineties to the early aughts, it was, it was on the downslope at that point.
00:20:28
Speaker
Uh, like American pie had only come out two years earlier. That was 1999, but it feels like that was sort of when that sort of gross out teen sex comedy peaked its interest. interesting And then from there, a lot of people were chasing its tail.
00:20:47
Speaker
And I think that that didn't help get over it. But that's the end of my context research. Do you guys want to dig into the meat of that plot? Yes. yeah I'm here for it.
00:20:59
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Okay, good. Because there is a lot of it.
00:21:21
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Plot bumper, listen to me. I'm gonna give you the plot summary. Come on, baby. Here's the synopsis.
00:21:33
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Plot bumper, plot bumper.
00:21:46
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So we start with our hero, Burke. played by Ben Foster. And he's telling us the long, complicated history with his high school girlfriend, Allison.
00:21:58
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They date for roughly 16 months, when Allison says she feels like their relationship has sort of run its course, and she dumps him. We will now spend the rest of the movie with her as Berks McGuffin.
00:22:14
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We then get our opening credits with Burke walking home, sadly carrying a box of his possessions, followed by vitamin C and a band singing Love Will Keep Us Together, which serves as sort of an opening Shakespearean sonnet.
Character Development and Film's Conclusion
00:22:29
Speaker
I have to take a moment. Oh, finish your sentence and then I'm going to get to what I have to say. It also lets us know. Oh, ah that we're going be watching a musical and that it's going to have some, you like all musicals, it's going to be a little bit expressionist. It's going to not strictly be realistic, but your thoughts, Greg.
00:22:46
Speaker
So during this moment, like the first thing I wrote was comes out of the gate horny exclamation point underlined because it really does come out of the gate. Very horny. Like the first thing is like, I showed a girl my penis when I was a boy. and it's just like, okay, yeah. Now we're grown up and we still play doctor. Yeah. And so, and so when that song love started, love will keep us together.
00:23:09
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I looked down on my notebook and I wrote, Christ, this credit song, exclamation point. And when I looked up, so when I looked down, it was Ben Foster walking out of a door with a box.
00:23:21
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I write my note. And when I look up, it's Ben Foster walking in a driveway with a box with a full band behind him and vitamin C kind of vamping to the camera as she is lip syncing the song, not singing the song, like very, very obviously lip syncing the song.
00:23:37
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And I was just like, this is a movie that I can't like what happened in those few moments. Where did she come from? why is she here This is going to be all. Yeah. Yeah. Well, i rewound and I found everything, but it was just one of those moments where i was like, I'm going to really, I didn't take a lot of notes because there's so much.
00:23:56
Speaker
happening all of the time in this movie all of the time it's a real maximalist experience very much just normal i said it's delicious from the moment it opens yeah you are not taking a break there's no flavor town left we'll be back here later like it's full blast yeah whatever the what is it the extra seasoning on doritos it's that from the beginning to the end Now, ah Burke heads over to his parents' job to tell them about the breakup.
00:24:30
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And even though they are both famous pop psychologists who show host a show called Love Matters, They're unable to offer Burke much beyond bland platitudes. At first, it introduces them like demonstrating a sexual position on camera and then, and big yeah.
00:24:49
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Like they're showing it to Julio as if like, Hey, maybe you should try this. And I believe there's a delivery of, um, do you want to take her for a spin? Yeah, referring to his wife.
00:25:01
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Some insinuation that there's swinging involved here in Burke's household. There's a lot of insinuation about what's going on with Burke's parents, I feel like. Yeah, now you're you're a sex and relationship therapist. ah Did your repeated watching this film lead you to that career? Were you like, that's what adults do?
00:25:19
Speaker
You know, this is literally was the job I wanted when and I was the age that I was watching this film, but I don't think that I ever because I wasn't like a love line fan that wasn't where this came from at all and like you know love talks or is that what it's called love talks love matters love matters is clearly like a love line rip yeah yeah but with the hook of them being a married couple yes and so I was just kind of like I mean
00:25:52
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it never occurred to me that the fact that I wanted this job at that age I have it now
Shakespeare Adaptations in Teen Films
00:25:58
Speaker
But it it I wasn't like, oh yeah, that's what that what they're doing. Like what they were doing was Loveline, which to me was- Okay, so these aren't your viewpoint characters. what i was say like i'm I'm such a Swoozie Kurtz.
00:26:12
Speaker
I mean, a little bit. The scene in the car later when she says Burke might want to go home and polish the rocket. Like, yeah, that would be in my wheelhouse, but no, not overall. Not my lens. Yeah.
00:26:23
Speaker
not my leg Fair enough. Fair enough. ah Now, ah yeah, they're unable to offer Burke much beyond the sort of bland platitudes, ah but they are played by Swooza Kurtz and Ed Begley Jr. And they pop up now and then throughout the course of the film to give some sort of awkward sex positive parenting.
00:26:39
Speaker
It's a good running gag. Mm So Burke then heads out to the nameless nightclub where all the teens hang out. And they returned to this nightclub for teens over and over where I'm pretty sure they serve alcohol. It might not be a nightclub for teens. It might just be that everybody has fake IDs.
00:26:58
Speaker
This is always one of those weird things that when I was younger, I would see it all the time. And we was like, yeah, we go out to clubs and stuff and we just hang out. And then I became an adult. and I was like, not like they did in the teen movies, though.
00:27:12
Speaker
Like, now that I'm an adult and I actually do that, I see that we never did what they're... Like, this is just an adult scene where they've just erased the alcohol. like, this is normal, right? It's like only in movies.
00:27:24
Speaker
I don't know. all... It is normal in movies, so we've all just kind of accepted that this is what people do when, in fact, it's just what people do in movies. I mean, so, I grew up in a particular area that is near a lot of resort towns.
00:27:38
Speaker
Oh, really? And there were these clubs when we grew up, there was one called Club 45. And there was like a couple other ones that were all these under 21 dance clubs, like were very, very popular.
00:27:51
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And the teens absolutely went there. And it looked very similar to a lot of what we're looking at here. Now, it was gross in
Fun Segment and Awards
00:28:03
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the context of like,
00:28:05
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This was a window of time when foam parties were a thing. Oh. you know, not ideal, but like it certainly was a reality that these these sorts of clubs existed.
00:28:20
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um And also the other reality was that like, yeah, you just got a fake ID and went to the other actual place to do the same thing, but... in a much creepier situation because you were 17 and everybody else was like 25. Yeah.
00:28:37
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yeah And I, I feel like looking back on it now, when you, if you were 17 and bringing out the fake ID, you weren't fooling anybody. This was just them being like, if the cops raided the place, the bartender wouldd be like, well, he showed me an ID, you know, this was just, you know, the, the Brown bag from the wire, you know, now,
00:29:00
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At this nightclub for teens, we meet every other teen that will be important in the movie. You got Felix, played by Colin Hanks, the protective older brother and guy's guy. You got Dennis, played by Cisco, a guy with no discernible personality, but his coach does call him crazy legs.
00:29:23
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You've got Kelly played by Kirsten Dunst, the protected younger sister, a singer songwriter and a Kirsten Dunst type.
00:29:34
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You've got Basin with a B played by Mila Kunis, Kelly's friend who has even less of a personality than Dennis.
00:29:45
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And then you've got Maggie, who is Allison's unscrupulous friend. Allison is also there at the club that night. And last but not least, you have Bentley Scrumfeld, a.k.a. Striker, played by Shane West, who is a former member of the boy band, the Swingtown Lads.
00:30:04
Speaker
With their number one hit. love scud yeah great little they they have a great little cutaway gag in the next scene of the love scud music video with just like three lines from the song it's hilarious great stuff uh now striker sets his eyes on allison and boom now burke has a romantic rival the movie's really rolling now
00:30:32
Speaker
Now, Burke is obviously feeling kind of outmatched and overwhelmed by this handsome British boy band guy. His boys, Felix and Dennis, try to console him, but the night still ends with Burke drunkenly singing Allison by Elvis Costello to Allison before falling off of her roof.
00:30:52
Speaker
is That will be our outro for the episode today. So I have a question. This is something that you usually ask Chris, but I'm just curious what everybody thought of Ben Foster in this movie.
00:31:06
Speaker
Aces. I like Ben Foster a lot in this movie. I think he gives a very unusual performance for a teen romantic comedy. He's much more um like quiet and ah thoughtful, I want to say.
00:31:20
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ah ah But I think that works with Kirsten Dunst being sort of a quieter romantic lead. Like the two of them, you know, you could see them being like,
00:31:32
Speaker
the only introverts to ever be the main characters of a teen romantic romantic comedy. do you know what I mean? Like, I think they had a good energy together. Okay. One of the things that reads is very believable to me is ben Foster's personality based on who his parents are.
00:31:50
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So like, has this incredibly extroverted sex, positive parenting situation where everything's out in the open. Everything's talked about.
00:32:01
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And he comes out as this like kind of quiet, like very like in his own head a little bit, like, maybe I can sort this out without talking to them because it's going to be a whole thing if I have to bring it up to my parents' energy. But I i feel like he really manages to like present even in the the most like teen moments that he's performing. and Okay. Okay.
00:32:29
Speaker
How about you, Greg? What did you think of Ben Foster? His intensity frightened me. And i thought it was I thought it was genuinely too much for the character. in particular, during this scene... Like he seemed, well, he's singing Allison. I was just like, he's really kind of like creeping me out right now a little bit. um Just the level of intensity. Like there was like an anger in him just like staring at her through the window.
00:32:56
Speaker
and and like the way he's like screaming the lyrics. I was just like, this is ah this is a lot for me in all honesty in this context. And I think maybe it is the quietness that made that come across so much to me because he's not expressing with his body or his words.
00:33:11
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He's doing it or he's not expressing with his words and his actions. It's more in his body. and there's something about that that leads to a level of intensity that I thought was inappropriate for the film. Fair enough. I mean, I could see this character being like two degrees away from school shooter.
00:33:28
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It's not to say that I didn't enjoy it and didn't have a good time, but there were just some times I was just like, wow, this is not the choice I would have made as a performer. And I'm a little surprised to see this like quiet intensity being portrayed in this like romantic comedy.
00:33:43
Speaker
That's very screwbally. yeah I will say that I appreciate that there are, it it suggests that Allison is maybe not as villainous as. Oh, sure. Right? So like one of the things that I really like about this film is it jumps around from perspective a little bit. So it's like, okay, yeah, ben like Ben Foster's your hero. he's for the most part, you're seeing the movie kind of from his lens.
00:34:11
Speaker
But then you get these moments of like, Yeah, to him, he's singing this love song to the yeah woman of his dreams. To her, he's a crazy guy staring in the window. Yeah.
00:34:23
Speaker
So, like, i i don't I wonder if it was ah almost a directorial choice of, like... and they very well may be true we want to see why this relationship is doomed. Like he's not going to win her back. And here's a very obvious moment where you can see how that's not going to happen. Yeah. right He doesn't understand the situation.
00:34:45
Speaker
He's, yeah he's going to be Don Quixote for most of this film. ah I liked his singing because it reminded me of me doing karaoke. That's fast. Now, ah the next day at school, we learn that Martin Short's Dr. Desmond Forrest Oates, great name, is putting on a production of Midsummer Night's Rockin' Eve, featuring original songs by Dr. Desmond Forrest Oates.
00:35:13
Speaker
Let's talk about the ringer of all ringers. Let's talk about Martin Short for a second. I know we just had a performance review, but we got to talk Martin Short. How did you guys feel about Martin Short? What a dream. i mean, I think he could do this role in his, this kind of role in his sleep.
00:35:29
Speaker
and yeah And he's not, he's not asleep. He does, he does a great job. Yeah, he's perfect. He's, a he's, he's big a lot. Like there's a lot of variety of energies in all the performances. He's one of the few that gets to just kind of always be big.
00:35:45
Speaker
ah But because of who he is, he's really good at that like contrasting energy. So he uses his moments of bigness at the right time, but they're all kind of over the top. It's just lovely. loved Any moment he's in, I'm just like, yeah, there we go.
00:35:59
Speaker
Phenomenal. It's like they just let him off the leash. They were just like, go do... You we don't need us. You don't need our script. the... and the range that he presents without ever letting his foot off the gas.
00:36:17
Speaker
Like he's full throttle from start to finish. And yet you still have these moments where he's just like sitting so quiet. Like even in that initial introduction scene when ah Jessica's hanging up the sign and he's like a little to your left.
00:36:34
Speaker
And then you just watch him go all the way to like full flame and then back down to a simmer in like 14 seconds of the film. It's amazing.
00:36:45
Speaker
Yeah. he He brings a great dynamism of energy. That's always makes his performances. Exciting. I, something about Martin short that i can't put my finger on makes me feel like he has skeletons in his closet. When he dies, we're going to find out something evil about Martin. Interesting.
00:37:04
Speaker
Interesting. I think because there's a meanness to his comedy, i I think he can be very cutting. Yeah. And I, something about it, I don't know. I don't know. I'm sure, I'm sure I'm just being paranoid.
00:37:20
Speaker
But he's very funny. ah Now, Burke finds out that Allison and Stryker are both auditioning for ah the musical.
00:37:31
Speaker
And he declares that he too will audition. That afternoon at the pool, a bikini clad Kirsten Dunst and my lacuna stopped by. Fantastic stuff.
00:37:42
Speaker
And ah she ah Kirsten offers to help him prepare. They meet up in and he's like, hmm, I don't know. Maybe that would help me get back with Allison. I was like, dude, look at Kirsten Dunst, dude.
00:37:58
Speaker
Get it together. ah They meet up in a coffee shop. ah As Kelly explains the play, we see ah Midsummer Night's Dream enacted by our cast.
00:38:09
Speaker
And we're going to be seeing that that's going to be a recurring visual, i don't I don't know if you want to call it a visual motif. I don't think that's right, ah but it'll cut to these sort of imagined play sequences throughout the movie.
00:38:28
Speaker
But it turns out that Burke's life and this dusty old play have more in common than we might've thought. How interesting. you know It's funny. It's weird, right?
00:38:41
Speaker
lot of people say that Shakespeare was the original rapper
00:38:48
Speaker
at auditions. Uh, we get the bad news that it's singing auditions first. He thought he was going to just act, but no, he's got to sing first.
00:39:00
Speaker
The singing auditions all go pretty much as you expect. Kelly, Allison and Stryker all get lead roles. Oh, at one point Burke does get completely wrecked when Stryker accompanies himself on piano and performs Allison.
00:39:16
Speaker
And really, that that was a good gag of being like, damn, this guy's getting clowned on. a little side part of this, like the the tiniest little B plot that i ah obsessed with is Peter Wong.
00:39:32
Speaker
Oh, yeah, he's great. Peter Wong is so mad at Stryker in that scene. And it's just like this tiny little thing that happens where it's like, I'm Dr. Desmond Forrest Oates' special friend.
00:39:43
Speaker
And you're like, oh, no. Yeah. I'm Peter Wong. Mm-hmm. Yeah, Peter Wong's life also gets entirely wrecked by Stryker. it It would be interesting to remake this film from Peter Wong's point of view.
00:40:00
Speaker
So we soon get our first rehearsal. After, yeah, the the cast list goes up. Kelly, Allison, and Stryker, they all get roles. And Burke is able to sneak his way into, like, attendant number three. Something like that.
00:40:13
Speaker
ah So we soon get our first rehearsal where Burke daydreams about the flay and then gets yelled at.
00:40:21
Speaker
Felix and Dennis agree that Burke needs to get back out there. So they set him up on a date with a supermodel from New Zealand who also attends their high school for some reason and might be cursed.
00:40:36
Speaker
in And is 26 years old because she was in a coma for seven years. Yeah. Due to some accident. Yeah. An accident caused by her curse. Yeah.
00:40:46
Speaker
Yeah. She does seem very nice, ah but it doesn't go well. What did you guys think of this character? It seemed kind of needless, but I guess you need to make a movie.
00:40:58
Speaker
I felt like it was kind of a commentary on the like sexy foreign exchange student trope. Okay. And so I appreciated this one because it was like, yeah, she's sexy, but that's not what it's about. It's about the fact that she accidentally sets things on fire sometimes.
00:41:17
Speaker
And it like... the Everyone handles it in a way that felt generally pretty nice where it's like, well, i like her, but like, I'm afraid that I'm going to die. don't want to be mean to her. Like no one really tells her off.
00:41:29
Speaker
You know what i mean? No one's mean to her. They're all just like, just stay over there and I'm going to be over here because, you know, and I thought it was pretty funny. I enjoyed it. Yeah. I did like the sort of final destination style, Rube Goldberg of death down there. Date yeah sushi restaurant.
00:41:47
Speaker
And I felt like the way that her story wraps up was really nice. Like I kind of, ah didn't really like Colin Hanks's character much. ah just because he's the like, hey, stay away from my sister kind of a guy, which is, you know, whatever. yeah um But the way that his arc kind of ends with her, I was just like, all right, you got me, movie. All right, I like it.
00:42:11
Speaker
Yeah. yeah but Felix is such a like, oh, this is that teenage boy. Yeah. yeah He's very, very much like, I'm horny and also other people aren't allowed to be horny for my sister.
00:42:29
Speaker
Yeah. And that's how the world works. And then the the Dora Lynn of it all sort of almost shakes him from that a little bit where like the the delivery of like, oh no, I think things are gonna change.
00:42:44
Speaker
And you get sort of a different energy even from Felix that I was like, okay. Like that was his little journey. Yeah. I think yeah have Felix is the kind of like dude that you knew. Like this guy needs to do a little bit of growing up. If he's like that in his mid twenties and there's a problem, but like there are like roots of a good dude in there. You just got to prune the hedge a little bit.
00:43:08
Speaker
Now, uh, next there's another rehearsal. Dennis signs up for stage crew. ah Burke runs out of rehearsal over to a basketball game where he rips off his tearaway track pants to reveal he's only wearing a jock strap underneath.
00:43:24
Speaker
It's very embarrassing. love a butt joke. Yeah. It's a pretty solid one. Love to see a butt on screen. ah His plan to win back. that the only nudity we have in the film?
00:43:37
Speaker
Yes. Okay, cool. just one there but There's Dora Lynn's top flies off when they demonstrate how she went into her coma, but you don't see. Right. Yeah. Right.
00:43:49
Speaker
No, this is a classic, just like in robot jocks. It's a BN, brief nudity. But nudity. Exactly. Now, uh, his plan to win back. Allison is not going well. And he goes to hang out with Kelly and they talk about it and they play piano together.
00:44:05
Speaker
And it's just like a cute little flirty scene. And like, Oh yeah, maybe, maybe they're working it out. These crazy kids. What if they could only see what they're so perfect for each other. And you know, any scene where I think the two of them are together, I think they've got good chemistry. I think that's a real strength of the film.
00:44:23
Speaker
And this is one of their better scenes.
00:44:27
Speaker
Then Felix and Dennis take him to a bikini bar where it turns out that it's bondage night. Burke gets dragged up on stage and then stripped down to his skivvies and hung from the ceiling by Carmen Electra right before the club gets raided.
00:44:45
Speaker
And I got to imagine if you're running the BDSM sex club, having the cops rush in and find a high school student tied to the ceiling. That's a bad day.
00:44:56
Speaker
Yeah. Bad day for the sex club.
00:45:01
Speaker
On top of that, his picture winds up on the front page of the paper. I don't know what kind of newspaper is publishing children found in sex clubs un and named on the front page of their paper, but their paper is, uh, and local striker news. You know what I mean?
00:45:21
Speaker
It's true. I mean, everybody, I guess already knows, uh, striker busts his balls about it at rehearsal the next day. And then pulls out nunchucks. He does pull out a pair of nunchucks. Yeah.
00:45:34
Speaker
Which he just had on his person, which is great. It makes me like Striker, like 5% more.
00:45:42
Speaker
But then ah they sort of fly out of his hand and they knock some things around and it ends up Peter Wong breaks his leg. Someone who gets hit in the front bum.
00:45:54
Speaker
Yes. Yes. That did happen to her front bum. Now, that's how you know that ah Martin Short's Canadian, because I'm sure he improvised the term front bum, that sounds very Canadian.
00:46:10
Speaker
Now, ah someone's going to need to step up and fill Peter Wong's shoes, and that someone is Burke Landers.
00:46:19
Speaker
Kelly offers to help him prep, you know, cram on lines, whatever he's got to do. And while they're hanging out, he accidentally calls her Allison. And then she accidentally shoots him with a crossbow. How about that?
00:46:31
Speaker
It's weird that the crossbow was on the poster when it was such a minor part. Yeah, that was my feeling when I looked at the poster. I was like, they put the crossbow on? And honestly, I thought it was a super soaker until you said it was a crossbow right now. I never looked that closely. So what do we, I feel like there's definitely a movie where they're like kind of in that pose holding a super soaker. And I don't know what that movie is.
00:46:51
Speaker
Maybe like a Cody banks or something. Maybe anyway. And it's also weird that Cisco's on the poster since he is, you might've noticed that I haven't mentioned Cisco in like the last 20 minutes. He's not doing a lot of the thing.
00:47:05
Speaker
Join stage crew. Yeah. That's the last thing that happened with Dennis. I also like that this crossbow scene is like one of those things that happens in a movie like this where it's like that's going to be some amount of bodily harm, but he's not going to have any visible...
00:47:22
Speaker
Like his arm is not going to have a problem. He's not going to have any issues whatsoever with that shot arm with the crossbow. That just healed immediately. Yep, exactly. just a flu residual effects.
00:47:34
Speaker
And a very minor one at that. antibiotics no not it so No bandages. no no. I mean, he he got to ride in an ambulance. Who knows? So there you go. ah that And, that you know, that probably just cost him an arm and leg. He couldn't afford the rest.
00:47:49
Speaker
Now, the next day, Kelly brings a suggestion to Dr. Forrest Oates of maybe instead of doing his song, which they both think is not working, ah that maybe she sings a song that she wrote instead using Shakespeare for some of the lyrics.
00:48:06
Speaker
And Forrest Oates says, go to hell. Go straight to hell. I hate you and you're terrible. Dr. Forrest Oates really hates Kelly. yeah Yeah. Now, Kelly takes this pretty hard. She's feeling pretty down.
00:48:21
Speaker
But going and hanging out with Burke and rehearsing helps, especially once the sparks really start flying in earnest. And in fact, it looks like they're about to kiss.
00:48:33
Speaker
And she's like, pretend I'm Allison for this scene, which that gives it a weird vibe. I don't think that's a good idea. As a therapist, would you ever advise someone to be like to tell their lover, pretend I'm your ex lover?
00:48:47
Speaker
I mean, if they're into it. I guess. Yeah. if there're But they're not adults. They can't be consenting adults. They shouldn't even be kissing.
00:48:57
Speaker
I don't know. I don't know. Anyway, they don't even kiss because he gets a phone call. ah It's Felix. And Felix tells Burke that he's broken into his house and is throwing a party there.
00:49:11
Speaker
Which is hilarious. Yeah, that's that's a classic teen movie. Yeah. You can tell me teens were out there going to the underage club. Teens were not breaking into their other people's homes and throwing parties that often.
00:49:24
Speaker
I hope. I do. I also really liked that ah the man who owns the home isn't proposing it, nor does he attend. No. Like, like the plot is not that someone threw. to is Yeah. Yeah.
00:49:37
Speaker
He just like kind of pops up and then it's a brief moment as opposed to it being like a huge plot point. It's just like they were doing that. Now I have to clean it up, but that's the important part, not the party itself.
00:49:49
Speaker
The Reverend's daughter takes a dump in the pool. Yeah. And also well delivered line. Yeah. ah Then several important things happen at the party.
00:50:04
Speaker
Allison catches striker ah about to get busy with Zoe Saldana. So things between Allison and striker. That's not happening. Maybe this is Burke's chance. There's an opening there.
00:50:17
Speaker
Also, someone vomits in the punch and several people drink it. One of the people drink it is an actor in the play. Yeah. Really hated that scene. I can understand that. really Yeah, but but but it did In the end, it was they needed some way to get rid of the actor. I just wish that it didn't have to be that.
00:50:38
Speaker
I definitely could have thought of something other than that. It didn't have to be that. yeah They wanted it to be that.
00:50:46
Speaker
But most importantly, Kelly and Burke finally kiss. But then Burke blurts out, I can't do this. You're Felix's little sister. And then Felix sees that Kelly is distraught by this turn of events and punches Burke in the face.
00:51:01
Speaker
I think this is ah Burke gets injured a lot in this movie. So was he punching him in the face because Kelly was upset or because he kissed Kelly? I think because he kissed her.
00:51:12
Speaker
And then later, Felix and Kelly have like a little heart to heart. That's actually kind of nice. I appreciated the heart to heart in the end. Yeah. And where kind of says like, I think it's a I think Burke sucks, but you seem happy. So if he screws it up, that's a Burke problem, which is like.
00:51:32
Speaker
pretty high level emotional intelligence for Felix in that moment. yeah Yeah, you can see that this was like a learning moment for Felix. He was like, I should think about this because I never thought about my sister going out with someone who I didn't want to murder. And I don't want to murder Burke because he's my friend.
00:51:50
Speaker
Right. Interesting. He works his way towards squaring the circle. And I think that's a big yeah yeah moment of growth for Felix. Yeah.
00:52:01
Speaker
Uh, and then next thing we know, it's opening night for the play. The play doesn't go as planned.
00:52:12
Speaker
Uh, and it's pretty much also is like the last 20 minutes of the movie. it It's a big, huge set piece for the film. Uh, ah Kelly does sing her song.
00:52:24
Speaker
Cisco gets up and replaces the guy that drank the vomit punch. And then he gets to dance his heart out because he's crazy legs. ah So crazy legs pays off.
00:52:37
Speaker
He has to dance with Basin, which is, that's the other tiny little B plot is that he has a huge crush on Basin through the whole movie. Yeah. And then they get to dance together. And also Basin isn't a good dancer. I think there was like one thing that mentioned that, but yeah.
00:52:54
Speaker
And he helped. Could be. Because he's a magic dance man. Yeah, he's crazy legs. drag The dragon.
00:53:05
Speaker
Then it's intermission. ah striker or no Intermission happens at some point. ah st Striker pays some members of the stage crew to blow up Burke with a pyrotechnic, but then that backfires after Burke changes the ending of the play so that he can confess his love for Kelly and kiss her instead of Allison.
00:53:25
Speaker
And he does that all in perfect improvised iambic pentameter. It's very impressive. Yeah. yeah And it rhymes too. At the beginning of the movie, he read the entire portion of the Shakespeare play as one run on sentence.
00:53:42
Speaker
So fast forward a week and he's got improvised iambic pentameter. It's pretty impressive. Kelly's tutoring really helped. Yeah. No wonder he's in love with her.
00:53:55
Speaker
Yeah. She's still damn smart.
00:53:59
Speaker
And when when I talk to her it's like I'm plugged into the matrix machine. just, I wonder if she knows karate. Uh, so everybody kisses somebody. Cisco kisses, Mila Kunis and Burke kisses Kelly.
00:54:14
Speaker
And even during the explosion, ah the Kiwi, the clumsy Kiwi flies of the air and lands in Felix's lap. And those two end up hooking up. They're a great couple. Allison Stryker, don't kiss.
00:54:28
Speaker
And then Vitamin C and Sisko sing September and the credits roll. The movie is over. We did it. Congratulations. Boom. So. Hooray.
00:54:39
Speaker
Final thoughts. Five star ratings. Where did people land on Get Over It?
00:54:46
Speaker
I gave this one a four stars. Okay. I think... i I think it maybe doesn't reach the high watermark of 10 things I hate about you, but that's such a high bar to clear.
00:55:05
Speaker
um and I, ah yeah, it was it was good to catch up on this one, finally, having missed it entirely at the time. How about you, Julie? Where'd you land on this one? and Five. Five.
00:55:18
Speaker
It's been a five since the first time I saw it. Granted, right, I'm the one who pitched it, so it can't be anybody's surprise, but I'm like, it's a five. um Your opinion's still valid. It's true. It's so fun.
00:55:32
Speaker
I feel like they understood very much that this was one of the sillier plays. Yeah. And like...
00:55:45
Speaker
They put the, and I think, i I will say, I know that part of the context is like, I was a theater kid. And so all of the little in jokes about the theater kids throughout the play of like the the little nods to stage crew and yeah yeah like,
00:56:02
Speaker
ah when Kelly comes out to get Felix to give him the give the music to the orchestra and he's like, aren't you supposed to be getting ready? Cause she's in like raggedy clothes. And I'm like, yep, yeah.
00:56:13
Speaker
Just all those little theater nods and the crazed high school theater director component. Like it just hits so many moments of like, yes, fun, cool.
00:56:28
Speaker
It feels like teenage romance, which I think is a really difficult thing to hit. Most like so many films that are like teen rom-coms,
00:56:40
Speaker
make these gigantic, present the love as this like deeply complex love. And it's like, yeah, when you're a teen, you're like really deeply in love, but it's also like teen love.
00:56:54
Speaker
And that yeah feels different and has different responsibilities and different context and i felt like they really found that context in this um without it like it just doesn't again it doesn't take itself so seriously it's like yeah they really like each other and they're gonna smooch and date and it's gonna be cool and fun versus it being like this is a forever relationship and look in them walk into the sunset and happily ever nonsense well how about you greg
00:57:28
Speaker
um I'm going to give this one three and a half. I really enjoyed myself. i like um I was a theater person. I really love seeing movies where they do stage productions. That's always a good time for me. i And it turns out I think I do really like a lot of movies about people making a high school musical ah is a theme that I am learning about myself.
00:57:49
Speaker
ah But ah it fell it really fell into that like I feel like everyone is very enamored with the main characters. I didn't really understand why they liked each other other than the fact that they were just in a movie in which they're supposed to like each other.
00:58:06
Speaker
ah Generally, Ben Foster's character, a lot of the men I was not crazy about. um And I think it was just because they they cashed in a lot of those like kind of tropey behaviors that were going on at the time.
00:58:19
Speaker
which I'm not particularly a fan of. Not that that means that they're like necessarily bad or anything. It's just not my cup of tea. But like a lot of the time, I was just like, i don't I'm not really rooting for these two to get together because I don't really know why they want to be together other than the fact that the script has them wanting to be together, which is fine enough.
00:58:41
Speaker
like I understand why Stryker and Allison were into each other. But like i didn't I got the sense that Kirsten Dunst, when she approached him for the practice, was doing it because she liked him. But I never understood why she did that initially. Because to me, he just seemed like a really weird...
00:59:01
Speaker
intense man who is trying to get back his girlfriend uh brother's best friend who's been around your house and like you have a friendship with like right i and he's single now i think it they try it seems like maybe that got left on the editing room floor but there is a little bit of like you hints and reference to the idea that like she's been crushing on him since she was probably much younger okay i did not pick up on any of that so it was just like i had the sense it's like she's into him i don't know why but she is and she's working really hard to make this person who's not into her into him and i'm a touch confused by that i mean it's high school so it's a different time back then yeah um
00:59:51
Speaker
but it felt like a lot of the, it just felt like a movie that was, it's one of those things where you can do this movie where it's like the movie exists for the movie itself.
01:00:01
Speaker
Yeah. Which is fine. It's like, ah you know, like we were talking, saying about Italian horror, you know, sometimes it just, things just happen because that's what's happening. This is the movie. yeah Exactly. And I think that generally the, like the teen romantic comedy, I think generally romantic comedies are not quite my thing anymore. Unfortunately.
01:00:19
Speaker
Oh, well, that is what it is. It is. what I thought of that the other day. I was like, I like laughing, but I don't watch comedies for some reason. I don't watch you that many comedies either. At least not contemporary comedies. Don't get me started. I'm going to give this one four stars as well. i thought I thought the leads had a great chemistry.
01:00:38
Speaker
I liked both of them as actors individually. seeing them together, I think it was great. They should do another movie together. We need to break make modern romantic comedies again. Put them in a romantic comedy together. I'd watch it.
01:00:50
Speaker
Make Still Not Over It. I'd tune in.
01:00:55
Speaker
But I thought this had a fun look. I thought it had some laughs. It was a nice light bit of fluff, a perfect little romantic comedy, like eating a bonbon. Great stuff. With that, you guys want to get into the segment this week, please?
01:01:10
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. All right. Well, then I'm going to turn it over to my wife and they're going to talk about trends in film.
01:02:03
Speaker
Okay. Shakespeare adaptations have always been a trend in film. ah He holds the Guinness World Record for most filmed author in any language with 410 total adaptations.
01:02:18
Speaker
The first one being King John, which was filmed in 1899. Wow. So, back you know, he comes up, but there is a particularly dense span um ah Get Over It is part of a 10-year span of teen movies adapted from Shakespeare plays.
01:02:41
Speaker
I think that it's probably the second most literal adaptation after um Romeo and Juliet, ah Romeo plus Juliet in 1996. um The others are Ten Things I Hate About You, which is The Taming of the Strew.
01:02:59
Speaker
That's 1999. Oh, which is a version of Othello, also with Julia Stiles and Mickey Pfeiffer. ah That's 2001. Mackay Pfeiffer, I believe.
01:03:10
Speaker
Mackay Pfeiffer. Okay. Yeah. And um She's the Man, which is a version of Twelfth Night, came out in 2006. And that had the same writers as Ten Things I Hate About You.
01:03:24
Speaker
ah Amanda Bynes and Channing Tatum. Channing Tatum. That's intriguing. Yeah. Yeah. ah No, I was initially surprised to realize that there were really only like five teen movies in this trend because it feels like there's so much more.
01:03:43
Speaker
ah But Chris points out that the teen movies are really ah subset of a much larger Shakespeare trend in the nineties and early two thousands.
01:03:54
Speaker
And investigating that, you know, it um it basically started ah this cycle with Branagh's Henry V in 1989.
01:04:06
Speaker
ah That came out and it ah it actually made some money. it made gross $10 million on a $9 million dollars budget. And I think that that kind of, you know, some studios realized that maybe Shakespeare was profitable right now.
01:04:23
Speaker
um and So I have a list of between that that first Shakespeare feature of Branagh's and 2006, which is that's the year of both ah She's the Man and Branagh's last Shakespeare feature. So I think that's kind of the the trend I'm talking about.
01:04:52
Speaker
The run. The run, yeah. The 17-year run. Here are... ah here are 25 live-action English Shakespeare films. okay Okay. In 1990, we have Hamlet with Mel Gibson.
01:05:07
Speaker
Classic. We have Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead, directed by the playwright Tom Stoppard. Classic. And a version of Macbeth called Men of Respect with ah John Turturro, Dennis Farina, some kind of, you know, mobster version.
01:05:25
Speaker
so Yeah. In 1991, you have my own private Idaho, which is very loosely based on Henry the fourth part one. idea And, uh, Prospero's books, which is also very loosely based on the Tempest.
01:05:42
Speaker
That's the Gus von Sant and, Peter Greenway respectively. um Brandon does much ado about nothing in 1993. um He was Othello with Lawrence Fishburne in 1995.
01:05:59
Speaker
ah There was a Richard III with Ian McKellen in 1995. ah Branagh directed rom-com called a Midwinter's Tale, which is about a group of actors putting on Hamlet.
01:06:15
Speaker
It's also in 95. In 1996, he put out Hamlet. Classic. Also in 96, Tromeo and Juliet.
01:06:30
Speaker
Also classic. Yeah, Twelfth Night with ah Helena Bonham Carter, Toby Stevens, a bunch of other people, um look and Looking for Richard, which is ah Al Pacino's directorial debut, about putting on Richard III. In 1997, there was a movie version of Jane Smiley's novel a Thousand Acres, which is based on King Lear.
01:07:00
Speaker
oh god Shakespeare in Love came in that next year and won ah bunch of awards and... yeah So, yeah, so like you said, people were really into Shakespeare after that.
01:07:13
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um There was ah Midsummer Night's Dream in 1999 with ah Michelle Pfeiffer as Titania, ah Kevin Kline as Bottom, Stanley Tucci, Calista Flockhart, Christian Bale, Dominic West.
01:07:31
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I remember that one. Yeah, yeah. I never saw it. um I don't know. Something about it weirded me out. might be Calisna Flockhart. She has weird vibes. Might be that same year. ah Julie Taymor's Titus, of course, a wild adaptation. It's very long.
01:07:50
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Yes. Too long. You're right. Too long. Okay. In 2000, we have Romeo must die Jet Li and Aaliyah. We have ah the Ethan Hawke Hamlet, which also had Julia Stiles.
01:08:06
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okay um Branagh did Love's Labor's Lost, which was a colossal flop, actually, and um lost him a three-picture Shakespeare deal with Miramax.
01:08:21
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And you can actually watch, like, he didn't make another one for six years, but you can see that all of the Shakespeare adaptations just kind of took a nosedive after that.
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um Like Branagh was really holding down the genre ah But we do have in 2001 Scotland PA Which is a version of Macbeth ah In 2003 Deliver Us From Eva A loose taming of the shrew With Gabriel Union and LL Cool J ah There was a Merchant of Venice with Al Pacino and Jeremy Irons in 2004.
01:09:01
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ah There was a Macbeth in 2006 set in modern day Melbourne or then modern day. um And then finally, ah yeah And as you like it, Branagh directed 2006. I haven't,
01:09:19
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seen or actually i don't know if i had heard of that one like the biggest name in it is like bryce dallas howard okay this is famous yeah yeah ah wow that was certainly a trend in film fascinating my dove well you guys want to play a game yes all right we're gonna play a little bit of this that or the other
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I ask myself, what will they answer? Will it be A, B or C?
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A, B or C?
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Is it this, is it that, or is it the other?
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So we're going to playing a little bit of this, that, or the other. And what I'm going to do is I'm going to give you the title of the film and a brief description. And I want you to tell me if it stars Cisco, vitamin C or Aaliyah.
01:11:05
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yeah Okay. So this is a um buzz in game. So you'll buzz in by saying your own name and please do not buzz in until I have finished reading the question.
01:11:18
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Everybody ready? Yeah. Question number one.
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Dracula 2000.
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Dracula slakes his thirst for blood and renews the search for his lost love in the city of New Orleans.
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Julie. Julie. Aaliyah?
01:11:45
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No, I'm sorry. Greg or Anna, can you steal? Um, I'm going to say vitamin C, I guess.
01:11:54
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Correct. Greg, you're on the board. Vitamin C played the Lucy Harkness character. How about that? ah Ah, it's not what I would have guessed. No, it was born role she was born to play.
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Definitely. Question number two. Queen of the damn. The vampire Lestat becomes a rock star whose music wakes up the beautiful and monstrous queen of all vampires.
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Anna. Anna. ah That would be Aaliyah. Correct.
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Question number three. Da Hip Hop Witch. Five white kids get lost in the hood looking for Da Hip Hop Witch. One year later, their footage was found.
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Da Hip Hop Witch. Greg? Greg. i'm going to say Cisco just because it hasn't been chosen yet.
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You fell into my trap. Anna or Julie, can you steal?
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Is it also Aaliyah? No.
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um Julie gets a point. That one was vitamin C. Vitamin C has a small role. She's a bit of surprise. She had the most prolific filmography of the three.
01:13:21
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Wow. say You did maybe give it away by saying it was five white kids. it's She was not one of the white kids. Was she the hip hop witch? No, she there were a lot of hip hop stars in the hip hop witch.
01:13:34
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The only other one I can remember is Eminem, who is also white, but was also not one of the white kids. But just check it out on IMDb. All right. Question number four.
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My ex-girlfriend's wedding reception. The bride's ex-boyfriend is a member of the band in an Italian slash Jewish wedding. Julie.
01:13:59
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Julie? Cisco?
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No, I'm sorry. i Still not Cisco. I want Cisco to be in this. Is really what I think is happening here. Greg? Greg. Aaliyah?
01:14:18
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I'm sorry. Anna gets the point. Vitamin C was in that one, too. I told you. know Okay. You know who else is in that? Bernie Sanders playing Rabbi Manny Shevitz.
01:14:31
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You're saying a lot of things. very interesting
01:14:36
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I think they missed a something by not putting Cisco in that movie. No, i think yeah I think Cisco should have played Rabbi Manny Shevitz. The dragon. So I think Anna's in the lead.
01:14:50
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I think. Question number five. Pieces of April. A wayward daughter invites her dying mother and the rest of her estranged family to her apartment for Thanksgiving dinner.
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Pieces of April. Anna. Anna? I feel like that one's definitely vitamin C. Oh, I'm sorry.
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ah Greg. Julie. Greg? Cisco?
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Correct. Cisco is in that one.
01:15:27
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Okay. April was ah played by Katie Holmes. Okay. That's a title of a film that I'll never forget, but I couldn't tell you what that film was.
01:15:38
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No. All I really remember is Katie Holmes on the poster with like pigtails and a tie-dye tank top. Okay. That's all. Yeah. The rest of it gone from my head. ah Question number six. i and I just read the plot a second ago.
01:15:51
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Question number six. Okay.
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Romeo must die. An avenging cop seeks out his brother's killer and falls for the daughter of a businessman who's involved in a business deal with his father.
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Greg? Romeo must die.
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I just finished reading the question, so now you can ring it. Greg? Greg. Aaliyah? That one was Aaliyah.
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Question number seven.
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Surf school. A ragtag bunch of seniors at Laguna Beach High School want to crash the big surf competition. There's only one thing they have to do first.
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Learn how to surf. Surf school. Julie. Julie. Vitamin C. No, I'm sorry. That one was not vitamin C. Gregorana.
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ah Cisco.
01:16:55
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Correct. That one was Cisco. Good for Cisco. Good for Cisco. I wanted that to be Cisco. And I was so sure that there's no way he would be in surf movie. No. Yeah. He learned how to surf.
01:17:08
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This, wow. This quiz has been a lot harder than I was expecting. All right. Question number eight.
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And I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing this word right. Crinoline head. Oh,
01:17:25
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In this slasher movie parody, students vacationing at a summer house are targeted by a mysterious killer, Crinoline Head.
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Greg? Anna. ah Greg? Vitamin C? Correct. Okay.
01:17:52
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I've got no rhyme or reason to any of these. no no thats No, there's not.
01:17:59
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Good news is, here comes the last one. Question number nine.
01:18:04
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Snow dogs. When a Miami dentist inherits a team of sled dogs, he's got to learn the trade or lose his pack to a crusty old mountain man.
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Snow dogs. Greg. Greg? Cisco.
01:18:24
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I like that confidence and it paid off. Congratulations, Greg. I've actually seen Snow Dogs and that's what my guts were saying. i was like, that's a Cisco. And I was like, I don't remember him in it. but I'm going to go with the guts. Like a puffy jacket.
01:18:38
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does i used to i I mean, he's around still. I don't know if he still has an affinity for puffy jackets, but like at his peak performance, there were lots of big puffy jackets with faux fur. Nice.
01:18:51
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That would work well with Snow Dogs. Oh, yeah, for sure. Well, with that, is everybody ready for the Batty Awards? Oh, yes. Yeah, absolutely.
01:19:09
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Now you're messing with the Batty Awards. Now you're messing with the Batty Awards. Now you're messing with the Batty Awards.
01:19:20
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Now you're messing with the Batty Awards.
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Congratulations to all the nominees.
01:19:33
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That's right. Congratulations to all our nominees. Congratulations to you listeners. You've made it to the Batty Awards. Who wants to give out their Batty Award first? I can go.
01:19:44
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Please. All right. So ah my Batty Award is going to go to all of the truly fantastic eye acting that's in all the cutaway shots whenever they cut off the stage to the audience.
01:19:59
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So like this is actually like eye acting is a difficult thing to pull off because it's very subtle and it's very easy for people who don't know what they're doing to be like, I know how acting works. It's in my eyes. And it's just like it's not like that's a part of it.
01:20:12
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But like when you go really big with your eyes, it just looks kind of crazy. But there's a lot of like good storytelling done. With just a few simple physical actions. like I remember like Colin Hanks especially like looking across the room and looking across again and like having a moment in his head and being like, that looks good.
01:20:31
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just like And you see it immediately when they're like doing the auditions. I was like, this is all good. And it just continues to be good throughout the entire thing. like Anytime they're cutting from the stage to the audience, I just know something spectacular is going to happen.
01:20:45
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And a lot of it was subtle and actually just like really genuinely very, very good in my opinion. Well, they say good acting is reacting and yeah, that's going to be all reacting in those crowds. Oh yeah.
01:20:57
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Oh yeah. I can understand that completely. How about you, Anna? Do you have a Betty award?
01:21:05
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Yeah, just a very small, ah cute sight gag in the opening number. um Love will keep us together oh ah a ah UPS driver dancing across to a postal truck.
01:21:21
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And then she and the mailman are dancing together for the rest of the number. And that was very cute. and It's true. yeah The mailman and the UPS man should be friends.
01:21:33
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yeah How about you, Julie? Do you have a Batty Award? Okay, so I have two. Okay. um So my my first Batty Award is for the fairies.
01:21:46
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Okay. Oh, yeah. they I gave them a short shrift in my summary. The fairy song is so... I've used this adjective through the entire podcast, but it's just deliciously bad. Like, it is a bad song with bad dancing. Yeah. And it is so perfectly the type of thing you would see in a high school musical with when where the high school music director is the one who wrote the songs. Yes. Like, you...
01:22:20
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can see that Dr. Desmond Forrest Oates wrote that song. And the acting that he does where they cut to him in the crowd like dancing while it's happening is perfect.
01:22:32
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Yeah, absolutely. My other much sillier Batty Award is for Chester the dog. Oh, yes. In odd coincidence, that's also my Batty Award. Oh, yeah, yeah. I forgot about Chester.
01:22:44
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Chester gets girlfriend at the end. He does. That was a very great, even Chester got someone to smooch at the end. But yeah, Chester is a very horny dog. he gets my boast ah my ah most, most nineties teen comedy award.
01:22:58
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Cause you needed that. You needed to have a ah gross out element in this cycle of teen comedies and a horny dog that was humping. Everything was just a great horny site gag that you'd see like every 20 minutes they cut and you'd see, Oh, now the dog's humping a basketball.
01:23:13
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Oh, now the dog's humping the rubber tree plant. And it's like, I know this is a funny thing to say about a dog that humps things, but it's reasonably wholesome for a gross outgang.
01:23:27
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yeah ah You were saying that, you know, it comparing this to the movie that ah your sister brought. um that ah Just Friends has a has a kind of mean streak to this.
01:23:39
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This one, I thought, had conversely kind of but a sweet streak. Sure. Yeah. i I think that's one of the things about it, why like almost why I use that word delicious, is because like there's nothing about it where you're like,
01:23:53
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that left a bad taste in my mouth. There's very, like, it it very much, even in, except for what I would say is the, like, the gross out gag, which is the vomit and the punch.
01:24:04
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yeah would which I would also say there is a moment, too, where he, like, lands in a pile of horse dung and then the horse pees on him's on him. Yeah, he does get piss in his face.
01:24:15
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Yeah, that's not great. so But I would say like... Chester to me really left that like, it you know, this movie comes out the gate horny and at any moment when you're like, well, is this movie still horny?
01:24:30
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Chester's there to make sure you know it's still a horny movie. yeah Yeah. And ah I will say that as opposed to a lot of, uh, comedies of this era, there was nothing that I felt didn't age particularly well. Do you know what i mean? Like there was very, laugh like you watch a lot of teen comedies from before the millennium, they'll be calling each other slurs and you're, you know, there was none that going on. Like there was nothing where I was Ooh, that, Ooh, I didn't have that moment. And I really, that was nice to watch an old comedy and not feel bad about myself.
01:25:06
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that was great out One of the movies that came to mind was the, oh, what is her name? ah One of them is Faith from Buffy. One Elijah is Faith from Buffy, and then the other Elijah is the one I'm talking about.
01:25:23
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She dated Donald Faneuf from the Knucks. Oh, Cuthbert? Yes. Yes. He is in a teen romantic comedy called Girl Next Door, where she plays a sex worker.
01:25:36
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Yeah. And that movie, my memory of it was like, that was a fun movie, pretty sex positive. Oh, the whole movie very good.
01:25:49
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very queer negative.
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01:25:52
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And it's not actually a sex positive movie at all. That makes sense. Don't revisit it is what I would suggest.
01:26:01
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yeah right You can just skip it. no There are some movies that are best left to the dustbin of history. But I would say Get Over It is not one of those. Thank you so much for bringing it to us this week, Julie. yes You've been a great guest.
01:26:13
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It was a great movie. Do you have anything that you want to plug? I... i have a website kind of it's my job's website actually but it is of great educational material um it's called bedroom brainiacs okay and we post lots of um you know it ideally we'll we continue to be able to post lots of um educational content about how to have wonderful life-affirming sex regardless of your gender or orientation whatever you're into and you're negotiating with your partner or partners we're here to kind of help give you some coaching and some education around that so that's kind of what I do
01:27:00
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Well, that's awesome. Nice. We're a very sex positive podcast. So yeah, that's going to get the thumbs up and but I'll have the, the link in the show notes, everybody. If that's bedroom at Brainiacs, check it out and, uh, have better sex. Who doesn't want to have better sex?
01:27:17
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and Uh, well, I'm just going to plug our stuff real quick. Listeners, you know how I do it. First thing I'm going to do is I'm going to ask you to tell ah friend about the show.
01:27:30
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That would be incredible. I don't know most of your friends, so I can't tell them about it. And when I do, they don't believe me. Nobody believes me. I've got just an untrustworthy face.
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Uh, another thing that you can do if you feel like bringing a podcast and casual conversation is kind of awkward, man, if you want to leave us that five stars, that would be great. If you want to share this episode on your social media, you know, they got that little three circles with the two lines, share. share thing. It's right there. Just say, Hey, I listened to this. This was fun. Check it out.
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01:28:16
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01:28:33
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our discord. And if you want, I can even give you the link to our private top secret Plex server,
01:28:40
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where you may or may not be able to find all the movies that we have covered and will cover and other weird stuff that I have found and put on there that looked interesting to me.
01:28:52
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And also a few movies that Anna asked me to put on there because they wanted to watch them. If you want to watch like a very disturbing foreign horror movie, <unk> we've got a handful of those.
01:29:04
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Yeah. ah And next week, ah you didn't mention it, but next week we're having, oh and no, please don't let me cut you off. Let me rest my throat.
01:29:16
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Oh, next week we're having Shelly Walston coming back with rhinestone, a movie with Dolly Parton and Sylvester Stallone. Which very fascinating to me. yeah Two great tastes that don't go great together.
01:29:34
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So ah check it out. And until next time, be good. Goodbye.
01:29:43
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oh it's so funny to be seeing you after so long. Oh, my God. And the way you look, I understand that you aren't impressed.
01:29:55
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I heard you let a little friend of mine take off your party dress. Oh, Alison.
01:30:07
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I can't believe you dated that loser for a year. Killing you, Alison. Did you hear that? Neighbors are screaming at you, Bert. Come on.