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Will AI Explode Inside Us?
38 Plays7 months ago
A POS discussion about A mother f'n I.
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AI in Everyday Life
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AI. An AI explosion is upon us. AI on your face AI on your chest AI in your ears AI in your nose A little AI in your eyes AI AI AI in your bum AI in your mouth No AI in there AI is everywhere except in there
00:00:36
Speaker
Well, fella, how about this AI revolution, huh?
AI Transforming Business Dynamics
00:00:40
Speaker
No intro. I got 37 minutes, dude. I got three sales calls that today, dude. No intro. Speak. Well, you're busy, man, but, you know, there are bigger things happening in the world, specifically the AI revolution.
00:00:54
Speaker
An AI explosion upon us. Are you scared? Just on a surface level, you scared of AI or not really? I have mixed feelings on it, dude. I have mixed feelings. At first, I'm sick of it.
00:01:08
Speaker
In my little podcast listening world, it's just constant. and It's like, shut up about this AI shit. That sounds naive. Sounds like I'm a Luddite. I'm curious what a dumbass like you thinks about it.
00:01:21
Speaker
You know, somebody that doesn't really think much. Well, I'm not, I'm not, haven't got, I haven't got, oh, I'm just learning how to text, text message people, dude.
Job Security in an AI Era
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Speaker
I haven't really looked into this doomsday stuff about AI is going to take over and kill us, but I am interested, even like half hour ago, I am interested to hear, like, as I'm trying to get this business going, I'm networking, meeting all these people, how many different people who are finding a positive positive angle in it and uh you know i haven't found a good way to use it i don't know if you have but like people from a marketing perspective or a business plan or they're literally just going ai do this for me or coding you know like
00:02:06
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like I guess, I don't know. I don't know if you know anything about coding, but i apparently people are using it to like basically just become more efficient. and But it's so clear that it's such a job replacement when you can just type this thing and say, do this for me.
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An AI
AI in Business Development
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explosion is upon us. You know, it's it's pretty crazy. Right. Where do you sit on the spectrum of people that... are willing to accept that, you know, we're just gonna have less jobs, and it's okay, I'm just gonna do what's most efficient for me, I'm gonna buy from AI driven companies versus analog companies, if you will, or or companies that have a lot of people doing jobs.
00:02:46
Speaker
Like where do you sit on that? Do you just go hardcore capitalism? Well, I don't know. like Is that a decision that we that we can make or we'll have to make? like How are you going to know? you know Well, I'll just give you an example of my company. So if i' we're only three people, we're trying to get this thing off the ground.
00:03:05
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And there's a couple different ways we can do that. One might be meet remodelers and contractors that might use our our slabs or wood for kitchen islands, right? And they might be a point of sale. and But to find them, I might have used the chat GPT, give me the top 15 contractors in St. Louis and and give me a plan on how to go approach them.
00:03:27
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that bother you? It doesn't seem to have a bunch of employment impact. and that
AI's Impact on Small Businesses
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You mean that example? That example doesn't seem to have. I don't know if there was a ah trade broker in the past that might facilitate.
00:03:43
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I know there are people that are mediaries between leaders in business and and people who want to do business with those leaders. I mean, those are those are jobs that remain. Right. I don't i mean know if that's what you're talking about.
00:03:55
Speaker
Yeah. Well, I'm just saying, so I'm using AI there, and there's you're exactly right. I don't know if you would go, I'm ditching your company because you did that, but I'm still doing the other physical work. Like, we were at a home show. i was just at some networking meeting.
00:04:10
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um But now, I will say... we are We need to figure out online marketing and a lot of people are just like going to AI chat GPT and so and saying like, how do i how do I do Google ads or something? And that might have been a marketing person before, might have been an IT person.
00:04:27
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And you're kind of just going, I'll just figure this out myself because AI might tell me how to do something. So...
Human-Centric Jobs vs. AI Automation
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you know, and that, the like, does that bother you? Like, for me, it's like, well, I don't know how to do that, and I don't have ah budget to, like, hire a ah full marketing staff, and so I'm like, well, that's a good option.
00:04:46
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But I just came out of the networking meeting. It's funny that you decided this is the topic 30 seconds ago, but there was a ah lady selling, like, franchise opportunities, and someone's like, what's the what's the best franchise opportunity right now?
00:04:58
Speaker
And then basically, it's like, whatever you can do that that can't be replaced by AI or Amazon. Those are two big things like ruining, ruining jobs and businesses.
00:05:10
Speaker
And so you really, I think we talked about, it but really comes down like getting in the trades, like AI can't go out and fix your air conditioner, right? or Or Amazon can't replace that. So that, that becomes the best franchise opportunities right now.
00:05:23
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. And honestly, I a little on the fence in terms of some of the activities you were talking about. and whether they're going to be net negative or net positive for the workforce.
00:05:35
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Would you boycott based on anything I've described though? Like what's your threshold? of Like how much AI or modern technology can a group use where you're just like, you know what? Fuck them. They're bad for the economy.
00:05:49
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I got the fucking jackhammer going again. It's like how many days in a row do they have to jackhammer the concrete? This neighbor's redoing a patio. It's unbelievable.
00:05:59
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But God bless the guy Jack Hammond, because he's not getting fucked by Amazon or AI.
Philosophical Concerns of AI
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Yeah, right. Well, to the extent that some more small businesses can be developed because now they're not needing large budgets to get things off the ground, I think that's probably a ah positive.
00:06:16
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And I think there is an evolution of technology where we are going have to move forward with these solutions, right? in a way that's good for humanity. AI on your face.
00:06:28
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The jury's still out on that one, fella, to use a judicial reference. What I get worried about is the philosophical underpinnings of these Silicon Valley billionaires who are marching full steam to own AI for humanity.
00:06:46
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And they are grounded in some really sick and twisted shit. About the future of humanity. So that's the stuff I really go. Okay, like what? Like what scares you?
00:07:00
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ah Many of them have this view as as Earth is sort of just going to be a lost cause and that you know, we're going to develop a singular intelligence that's going to allow us to proliferate across the universe and all these other planets They think that the absolute number one human activity at this moment is to ensure we're moving towards developing this super intelligence.
00:07:28
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It could kill humanity, we don't know, but it's going to change humanity forever. but They have a very weird view of it all, and humans are sort of just like expendable in a way. while at the same time the future humans are of much more value than the current humans they've got some twisted views and uh one of the one of the more shocking ones is that we need to use more energy and sustainability is a lie and we need to be using as much energy as possible humanly possible and so just sort of counter to my view that uh you know probably better to have a sustainable planet
00:08:03
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Yeah, you're like, who's who's running the shop but on this new technology? And if their ideas are... They could do some damage, right? If their ideas aren't pro-humanity, so to speak.
AI and Societal Value Shifts
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AI on your chest. Yeah, I would say that's a concern for for all of us. I don't know where that's headed, but you like when you look at Sam Altman, one he's the guy over a OpenAI. i He has the view, he has the literal view that one company is going to own the means of production for the entire world.
00:08:34
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That one power hub will just distribute the means of survival to every human being. but He wants a piece of it, or he just says that's probably how it's going to end up? Or is he like, no, this is what I want?
00:08:46
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but he I mean, they're obviously racing to build the the company that does lead AI for everyone. But I wonder, i mean, is it like an evil thing? Like if if I was saying I want to be, I have to be one of the top three live edge slab people in St. Louis, it's not like I'm sitting here with an evil. It's like, well, if I don't, like the the if I'm not, there's no business because it's not like a...
00:09:14
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if somebody else really owns it or something like it's gonna we're we're not gonna exist is it just a business thing like well we gotta whoever whoever gets that space is gonna be the only viable business or is it like if i can you know because i think when we it's funny how ai has really sparked everyone's idea like these create like a villain in a movie where it's like they're they're here to take over and ruin the world where it's like it's not just like oh we want market share you know the stupid business stuff we talk about we want bigger market share and whoever gets it is going to own it is it? Is it innocent and business oriented or is it this amazingly evil thing of how I can shape humanity?
00:09:53
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I don't know that the their premise is about being evil. They think they're the good guys. It's a totally different circumstance. We're talking about transformational technology versus furniture.
00:10:05
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Would you call it a mind fuck? Would you call it a mind fuck? Is that what it is? you know what's a mind fuck? It's this jackhammer pounding my head. love how angry it it makes You're irritated, I would say. Oh, it's like six days straight.
00:10:16
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It's like how much concrete is there in one small patio? Yeah, they're pulling out old patio and replacing it. But just how much concrete is
AI and Human Creativity
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in there? it's yeah It's fucking annoying. i want I want to replace all of them with AI.
00:10:30
Speaker
What if they you guys get an early freeze and i have to start over because it's too it's too cold or something? Right. But there's a capitalistic component to everybody's business pursuits.
00:10:41
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And I don't have any problem with that. Just I wouldn't have any problem with you trying to outcompete other furniture. or wood dealers in St. Louis. The stakes are just different here. And if your philosophical underpinnings are ones where we're going to develop a super intelligence that's going to take over everything in the world.
00:11:01
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So you have you have two things. You have the a people of the fear of the AI itself will be doing the evil. And then you have the idea that the people controlling it are using it for evil. Right? So there's like two sources of... Because the other thing that we haven' i don't we haven't really touched here is people's idea that these...
00:11:17
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machines will or just out be able to outdo us eventually as they keep acquiring knowledge at a rate more faster than we can ever acquire. People are like, all right. Yeah, those are common fears for sure.
00:11:31
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My biggest fear of it, if if we're talking about it, more just, I think, the idea of the the gray area that will be ah real human versus ah some sort of robotic cyborg or something like that, where there'll be a gray area between what, even you know even if you're watching a movie, it might.
00:11:50
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There's going to be a point, we might advance a point where you're like, oh there's there's people among us that aren't actually people. I think that's kind of fucked up. E.I. E.I. E.I.
00:12:01
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I think the hysteria over making things cheaper, yeah because you can't predict the future, but this is something that seems fairly obvious, that hysteria over making things cheaper in every aspect of business is going to be the thing I'm most concerned about. And so you'll see movies trying to replace human beings with AI avatars.
00:12:23
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Anything you can think of that AI could replicate, companies are going to try to do that. I wonder if it'll backfire to some extent if more people will be like human focused to protect the populace. I'm not sure.
00:12:39
Speaker
On the one end, I'm concerned that businesses are going to do stupid things. On the other, I'm kind of like, this this is, come on. People still want to hang out and have a beer.
00:12:50
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And AI is not getting involved in that shit. Yeah, I wonder. Yeah, that's why I'm like, I don't know about all this Doomsday stuff. I almost feel like it's somewhere right now it's being used for somewhere between something you call efficiency and laziness.
00:13:03
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Or just like, I'm not writing this email. I'm not being I do it. so You hear people do that all the time. but But I just feel like a lot of people are using as a way to like plan and organiz organize their thoughts and organize their plan. That doesn't seem that bad.
00:13:16
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It might replace some people. But I haven't I don't know. like it Maybe it's like it's a staffing. There's always going to be somebody running something. So maybe it's just like a staff. will used to need five people. Now you you need less.
00:13:31
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But someone's still making the decisions. Sure. um We don't know how any of that's going to play But what do you think generally about just like allowing something to to replace your human thinking? your own Because there's a lot of arguments from an educational standpoint perspective that you learn a lot about yourself going through a thought process or thinking and developing ideas and plans and that we may miss out on that having this thing replicated for us.
00:14:02
Speaker
Exactly what I mean that's what I'm here people using it for. It's like, oh, I why i trust this person, this thing's idea or plan better than my own. I think it's weird but I understand it.
00:14:15
Speaker
I mean, to me, in this meeting i was just in this guy, one of us, he was actually, his speech was about AI and he was like, I want you guys to go home. figure out a goal for the year. could be a sales goal, could be a personal goal, and then go to an a one of the AI services and basically ask the AI service to lay out a plan for you.
00:14:33
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How do I sell $30 million dollars worth of Fords or something like that? And then it gives you a plan. And so you're like, ah yeah that you're literally just letting this thing like decide what you're going to do. But part of me goes well that's probably nice it's like you might have bounced some ideas off the walls with with friends or co-workers and now
Employment Shifts and Economic Implications
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you're just using that as your sort of idea board uh i don't know if that's the question you asked but well that's that's not what this could go anywhere dude we're talking about the revolution but that does feel like a replacement of your own thought even that right absolutely i wonder if it undercuts how dynamic society and human beings are
00:15:11
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I wonder if you would have stayed in the game, the corporate game, ah like another year, two years, if you how you would have felt about it, you know? Like, because you got out right before, like it wasn't hitting when you were still at your job, right? Or did it already creep in?
00:15:24
Speaker
We were building chatbot stuff, essentially, for, they just were not great at the time. But like, I'm just not sure how all this will go. to get skeptical of a lot of it.
00:15:36
Speaker
I would love it for work, to be honest with you. Well, but where's the competitive advantage at some point? Like, you know, I guess... Everyone's doing it. If you're not using it... Or what happens, actually, the more interesting conversation for me is what happens when we stop using our brains for executive planning?
00:15:54
Speaker
Perhaps all we get good at is what question do I ask the AI? I don't know. What happens to kids is they go through a learning process and their experience is just getting answers from an AI. Yeah.
00:16:06
Speaker
That's interesting. I equate it to like, i't know if you ever cheat tried to cheat on any test when you're in school or kid, but you ever had the experience where you spend hours and hours and hours like planning the cheating?
00:16:19
Speaker
Like you might be trying to write microscopically on a piece of paper that you can like pull out or you're, and you're like, in hindsight, you're like, if I had just studied, I would have, with the amount of time I i put in it that,
00:16:32
Speaker
I feel like it's kind of the same idea. like you hear You hear people like AI is only as good as what you put into it. So you find people spending a lot of time formulating what's the question to ask AI to get the answer you want.
00:16:47
Speaker
And it seems like once you're doing that, you're already formulating the plan, but you're still like going to give it to them because you're not getting the right answer. Like i'm like trying to find ah way to get in the interior designers in St. Louis and I'm like, what's the what are the 15 top 15 interior designers in St. Louis? And Chad GPT inevitably just fucks it up. I'm getting like somebody in Raleigh, North Carolina or who knows what they're what they're finding.
00:17:11
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And I'm like, it took me all the, like, I kept regenerating the search and all, and like, I probably could have just figured it out, like with a Google search and, you know, like making a few calls with the same effort, which is what I did. But like, I put, you put a lot of time into formulating what the input for AI right now.
00:17:30
Speaker
It's like, you're doing the same amount of work in a way. Yeah, I'd be fine with some of that organizational stuff that people use it for that, assuming it works because it's going to pull from some could pull from some rando like Cardinal Cowboy sos ranking of the top best wood companies in St. Louis. and And that guy, what does he know?
00:17:51
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don't know. He's right, dude. For creativity, for writing, just find it sad. Yeah, would you would you write a song? Would you be like, I want to write a song about want our fucking parenting or something.
00:18:07
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Would you use it to assist you on lyric writing? at this Never at this point. think people are doing it? Oh, for sure. In fact, i one of my relationships of my coworkers deteriorated after I made fun of this horrible AI song that he was proud of creating.
00:18:25
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I don't like it for that. Well, like, did you rip it because of that you don't respect the process because of that or because it actually sucked? Both. You know, you could say I'm a hypocrite because I'm using AI voices.
00:18:38
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I can't pay voice actors to create the dumb shit I'm doing. But I'm also writing all of the content and then I'm producing it, right? I'm trying to find an appropriate voice. I'm regenerating the voice and to to see if it can...
00:18:52
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get the right inflections on certain words. There's a whole production component that's very much human. And so it's ah like, I like it for as a tool, which sounds somewhat hypocritical, but a tool for creativity, but not not to develop a song.
00:19:08
Speaker
Voice actors must have really taken a bath, huh? Well, I think they are at this point, yeah. and But I mean, yeah, like that seems like what we should think of it as. is It's sort of supporting your your whatever your endeavor. It's not the endeavor.
00:19:22
Speaker
That's a creative process. Like I could see shit that I don't fucking care, like in the business. Like if I can replace accounting or something, you're like, i have no, you know, like soul or heart invested in that. It's just something. It's just a task.
00:19:37
Speaker
Those people should be worried, I think, you know. So all we're going to do as humanity is create TikTok videos. Like we're just going to all have some sort of creative format. Podcast TikTok videos. Make no money.
00:19:50
Speaker
And all the the jobs that used to pay, the useful jobs, AI is going to do. So that sounds kind of sad. But... I think we're going to go back to tradesmen. I mean, we talked about a little bit, but that's that's the guy jackhammering.
00:20:05
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what you know You mentioned like you still see rec recer recreational activities. like ah Can AI fix a bike? you know People are out biking and they spend a lot of money on their gears. and like AI is probably going to diagnose a ah ah by a gear issue or something, but someone's probably going to be...
00:20:23
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I don't know. i But we're so we're going to get a like influx of jobs for that work. We have way more of that type of work. It just about it's a completely transformational economically.
Integrating AI into Society
00:20:36
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and And to me, it just ends up being very, very low wages for human beings and a very high return on capital. And so I'll tell people I tell my kids, so you need to invest because that's the only way you're going to generate wealth in this future.
00:20:52
Speaker
We're all going to be clamoring for some sort of human only type of work. And the wage pressure is going to go lower on a relative basis.
00:21:05
Speaker
Unless you have a business. I think it it could be good. It's, you know, but I mean, people would probably be healthier if they're doing these jobs, you know, actual work. But there's not, you don't need 10 million more plumbers.
00:21:19
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You may need 100,000 but you need 10 million more. And then do we start making up jobs to like over-manicure people's property or over-fix things? or over that I guess that's where the concern lies, that that's a possibility.
00:21:35
Speaker
A lot of people, given just our political environment, want to stay dumb. Dumb as shit. They're they're fine. And I've said that a million times. I feel bad saying that. But like some people, they won't blink an eye at not doing anything or not thinking.
00:21:49
Speaker
I don't do anything, but I think. But you think this is new? This is has to do with AI? It's like human nature since forever. It's not new that people you know fantasize about extra leisure time or just sitting there doing nothing.
00:22:04
Speaker
That's not new. But the stakes are much higher in that you actually have a replacement mechanism. You know, you used to like you'd you'd have to get off your ass at some point and go do something to make money, really. But there's going to be nothing to do.
00:22:16
Speaker
we a see in out house i won't try it out i'm curious what my fellow humans are all about Do they use the outhouse for number ones and twos?
00:22:29
Speaker
Or do they jack themselves and leave a bunch of goo? When I see an outhouse, I want to try it out. I'm curious what my fellow humans are all about.
00:22:42
Speaker
Perhaps we're we'll just have really fucked up people. We're all working in health care, essentially taking care of each other because we're all mentally ill. That could be it. There you go. That's a nice feature for your kid.
00:22:54
Speaker
But there's definitely a push for ai applications in healthcare. I mean, we talked about this too, but like, is there is there an AI application that's going to replace essentially what your wife is doing?
00:23:05
Speaker
Is that even possible? It is. I just think it's it's a harder sell. You think there is? i think you can do some apps that can respond like a therapist, but again, is humanity going to accept that?
00:23:19
Speaker
I'm going to say yes, but probably not, might not affect us. Maybe our kids, maybe our grandkids, but like, I mean, like our generation, are we going to be like, yeah, I go to an AI shrink or whatever. Like, ah it seems like we would just be like, what are you talking about? No, but, but people have grown up in that environment. It might just be normal.
00:23:38
Speaker
All I know is that there are a multitude of businesses looking to replace cash flow earning function with AI, replace humans with AI. So yes, I'm sure someone's going to try it. They already have chatbots that can do some of that counseling.
00:23:55
Speaker
At some point, people are going to have to make a choice and maybe you'll get a more perfect answer from AI, honestly, than you would just a regular therapist. Right. You know, how much of your humanity are you going to outsource to some machine?
00:24:09
Speaker
And that remains to be seen. I don't know. me Maybe i don't know if I should have a stronger fear less fear or even worry about it. It's really hard to look outside your window and see that this is coming. It's like it just doesn't make any sense.
00:24:27
Speaker
It's just a lot of it feels like online hype. And so it's just hard to know. I think we're all starting to envision a future that does feel more concerning than maybe some of the the transitions in the past.
Economic Impact of AI on Jobs
00:24:40
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um what You know, if you look at like, what do they call it? a Is it disruptive technology or something that really changed things? And you think about but four before 2000, when did the iPhone come out? 2006, something like that, 2007.
00:24:54
Speaker
two thousand seven And before and after. And then if we look back, like, at you know, people are probably worried at the time what's going to happen if people are doing this or that. Has the world changed with the iPhone and social media? and Has it changed? that like If we look back and went oh that's go, oh, people are like, this is going to screw everything up.
00:25:13
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The answer is probably, is yeah, it did. that we're like we're We've lost a lot like we've lost the lattice and sense of like you know people always looking at their phones. People are don't live in the real world. They live in this virtual world.
00:25:26
Speaker
What's going on their screen? It is pretty bad, but at the same time, it's not like this thing. It's like aging. It's not like this thing where point to a moment. It's kind of like, yeah, it's slowly. i see people are more into their phones.
00:25:39
Speaker
And so I wonder if AI is going to be like that. But then 20 years, you're going to wake up and be like, oh, it's pretty detrimental, actually. But it's not that bad. you know it's gonna It's like right now, i'm like the phone, social media. It is super detrimental, but it's also not that bad.
00:25:54
Speaker
I think people are going to have to move back to more naturalistic point of view in order to prevent the chaos. If all of our business functions are screen-based, tech-based, and that's where we're putting all of our eggs, then I think we're going to have a society that we don't want.
00:26:13
Speaker
You don't think we're there? I think we're starting to get there, and I think this could be the case here in the next five to ten, actually, where a lot of the human intelligence and work that's been done to interact on the online space or in the tech space is all replaced through AI. Obviously, coders are getting replaced. You're hearing all these things are happening.
00:26:33
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And so what happens if maybe on a positive level, do people return to nature in a different way? And maybe we want to clean up our communities and maybe we're helping, where you know we're doing more philanthropy and and potentially even getting paid for it, volunteer work to like build bike paths and you know, manage trails in the mountains, who knows, doing things that AI is not yet ready for, but moving away from this the screen world, partly because we have to, because there's now no opportunity left for us there.
00:27:06
Speaker
I don't know that I would be in a position to consume or I'd be interested in consuming from Amazon if they're using complete AI robots in their warehouses and they have no humans. and But a lot of people probably would.
00:27:18
Speaker
And I wonder where that leaves folks. I have faith in like I'm watching my kids. i don't know if this correlates to AI, but like I can tell that in even myself and like I have faith in the old in boredom.
00:27:33
Speaker
And even like there you see people that are even when you know, there's a lot of people that go through the cycle. It's like drinking or something where they're like get completely addicted to social media and they spend way too much time on it.
00:27:45
Speaker
And then they kind of get burnt out and they're just like, oh, yeah, this sucks. I think that I have faith that like with the screen times and stuff, I see my kids, even them. It's like this battle when you have children, like no no screen time, no screen time. But in a lot of cases, after a while, they're just like, I got to do something else.
00:28:01
Speaker
And I would think that there's some AI might go on that, that ah where people are going to be like, all right, I can use it for something, but it's not really, I can't replace a human with this.
00:28:13
Speaker
Right, like you're a songwriter and you're using AI exclusively for it. You're no longer a songwriter at that point. And maybe you just go, huh, maybe I should learn to play the piano. That might be more fulfilling for me.
00:28:25
Speaker
Yeah, you're either gonna I mean, I would think you're going to quit music because you're just like, well, I might as well be you know doing shipping and receiving or ah forecasting you know some some job.
00:28:38
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that you don't have a passion for. If you're writing music through AI, it seems like you're not fulfilling your creative edge. Just as like my kids are like, oh, you know, like my daughter, she wants to go work out or my son's like playing the drums.
00:28:51
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After a while, there's like, I can't look at fucking TikTok. It's like boring. Nothing. I need to do something myself. Yeah. Yeah, hopefully. I mean, every parent hopes that happens, and sometimes it doesn't. but I guess one one potential positive is all those screen-based jobs disappear for people that...
00:29:10
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You could have a lot more community engagement. I bet you're going to see sort of the coaching for your kids sports team be like extremely good. You're going to have your recreational programs be so well organized. Your civic engagement is going to increase dramatically because people are go to be looking for things to make an impact.
00:29:28
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And I think your soul is going to be sucked if you're constantly living in the screen world. Or selling wood door to door. Your soul. My soul has been sucked through networking.
00:29:41
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It's like, but the funny thing is though, dude, if you if you think about, oh, everything's gone in the wrong direction. Like what I'm doing now, like, You know, every everything you do, especially when it comes to job or trying to generate business, is soul-sucking.
00:29:55
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It's not like AI invented the idea of soul-sucking. like how many people you talk to that are in a job and they're just like, I can't believe I'm doing this. You know, like you were in that, right? i like Well, but it gave you a purpose, right? You're trying to make some money and yeah you're building a business and it gives you, i don't know, yeah it gives you a day-to-day purpose.
00:30:16
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Yeah, I just, ah it's how you look. it's I mean, it's for me, it's like wake up every day and realize, okay, this is not soul-sucking. It's something you have to do. have to go talk to somebody that you might not want to talk to. um But I'm just saying, like it's not like...
00:30:33
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Life was perfect. And then AI came along and then everyone was like, God, this what this sucks. It's like plenty of things sucked before. Before phones, before phone for social media. It's true.
00:30:45
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It's true. But we we have ah it's like a fallacy in our belief system that things are always going to get better. And this may be a turning point where... think Things get worse.
00:30:57
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Quite a bit worse for humanity or the friction and the transition period for this stage is just so much more brutal than people expect. That's a possibility.
00:31:08
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I mean, the industrial revolution at the beginning of that was brutal. mean, you had kids working in factories and people working stream hours and exposing themselves to toxic chemicals.
00:31:20
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But they were skinny. True. And that's what we forget. That's true. Yeah, dude. So we'll see what happens, buddy. I'm hoping you got 10 years to sell wood here before AI takes over, bud.
00:31:34
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Yeah, I mean, I see it as ah you know, if you're in the right space, I see it as a ah potential way to support your business. I think and the more people I talk to, they see it as that.
00:31:45
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But I'm also dealing with people in sort of the trades, you know, and... you know, interior designers are use it to sell projects. And they're still like brokering those ideas. And like the contractors are still doing the work, but they might be using it to support, oh, you want to remodel your kitchen? Here's some ideas. And there might be an AI app that allows you to like build out a kitchen virtually so people can see it.
00:32:10
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Well, why do I need them then? Well, someone's got to build it. Someone's got to build it, right? I can find the contractor, but like some of these... design creatives and and other folks. Maybe it's a secondary source of validation that I do worry about like a lot of, they might be fucked.
00:32:27
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ah Creative jobs, right? Yeah. Hijack is people can just access that on their own. Now, now maybe everybody yeah gets a white kitchen with blue countertops because they, was telling them started, dude, don't get me started.
00:32:41
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They don't want a unique piece that comes from WWE. Yeah. But, dude, I don't know, man. it It'll be a... It sounds like a sad society, at least sitting here at my computer staring at a screen.
00:32:53
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But I don't know. Dude, but the whole thing comes from what you're talking about, like price pressure. Because, like... All right, why why would I go sit in Comba...
00:33:05
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And then try to create some marketing materials myself and use their AI thing that says, like, do you want to say it like this or or format it like this? Because I can't spend all the money on an expensive graphic designer, right? It's like, I don't have that budget.
00:33:20
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And it's like price pressure. everyone everything Everyone's trying to make more money and then their services become to a point where you can't do it unless you're a big firm, you know? like Yeah, I get it.
00:33:30
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Like an Anheuser-Busch or... So, i I mean, that's like, well, i have to do it to to get this business off the ground. And then we'd love to hire a marketing person and be the best, have someone doing our social media.
00:33:43
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Then I wouldn't have to fucking do it. And it'd probably work. So, I think it just it's it's not necessarily like a straight up replacement. But then it might the good side of it might make people think about...
00:33:57
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their pricing and how and how they can become competitive.
Reflections on AI and Future Society
00:34:01
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and Not that everyone needs to make a profit, needs to make money, that's but like maybe maybe you know the whole everything's gotten so overvalued and so expensive, maybe maybe the positive might be like a reset across the board. But we know that never fucking happens. but Things always go up.
00:34:17
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but yeah well To close out, man, what about ah what do you think of my view that like the only way you're going to get ahead is to to invest in companies that are basically exploiting these price pressures and being the best at it.
00:34:33
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And then otherwise you're pretty much fucked. Pretty much fucked. Well, what's the... But why why is that new? Well, because if those successful companies are relying largely on artificial intelligence and not human labor, then most of us are not going to have the six figure jobs.
00:34:55
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Almost none of us are going to have the six figure jobs that we were used to that allowed us to survive and have a great lifestyle. And so we have to invest in those companies. Otherwise, we're fucked.
00:35:06
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Well, I see. Yeah, it's like two parts. One is like, is it smart to invest in companies that figure out a way to maximize profits in the modern world? Well, that's probably, that's not new, but it is like a new area where you probably need to put your money. So that's great. Hold on though.
00:35:23
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I think like 60% of America, hold on, sir. i put my hand up. Matt got nervous. I did. thought was going to slap my ass. A huge percentage of Americans don't invest at all.
00:35:35
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Hopefully they get the blue collar work jobs. they're You now have a guy that used to be a paralegal who's worked like a dishwasher. I mean, but even that dishwasher should put a few bucks away.
00:35:49
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Yes, that's what I'm saying. They should invest because otherwise they're just going to be destitute. I don't, I mean, I'm out there, I see people with jobs. I haven't, I don't see this idea of like, it's just going to be, you either work at Qdoba or you're fucking the president of an AI company and nothing in between.
00:36:08
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think that's where going though, right right? Right now, dude, but you're talking exactly what I'm saying. You're talking about it. Like everybody is looking for the angle. where they can use AI to undercut a more expensive human version of that job. And theyre and that's just going to accelerate rapidly. So the future does look different in terms of humans' interaction in capitalism.
00:36:32
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And so I've just been telling my kids, dude, we're going to invest. We're going to invest like a corporation, like a family corporation, because I don't see where you get ahead in the same way or where you have the opportunities to...
00:36:45
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maintain the lifestyle we have without it. Would your former position have been, is it replaceable with AI? I think there's a lot of executive planning, yeah.
00:36:56
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I think the implementation side of it, the being able to go talk to people and get things done, that take that would take some time to replace because you are negotiating and you are like, you know you're negotiating timelines, you're negotiating on you know perspectives of what's a priority within a big program or project.
00:37:17
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And that's a difficult human task, but over time I could see the AI and the programmers not even being humans. And a lot of the people that are all the functions of testing and everything,
00:37:33
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They're all, it's all artificial. And so what's, who's there to negotiate with the stakeholder would just sort of plug into the AI. This is what I want. Right. Show me a prototype. So you just have a bunch of executives and a few assistants, you know, executing on the company's mission.
00:37:52
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You don't need all these other people. And everyone else is just fucking serving them food. Serious servants, dude. So to take advantage of that, you need to invest in those companies because they will, they potentially, their profits may increase as their costs come down dramatically, replacing human beings. Boy.
00:38:15
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I think it's, ah there's a, there's a healthy fear there, but I do think we generally adapt or we evolve into the current market conditions. And I mean, I don't know if,
00:38:28
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that you like you What you're talking about would be like maybe our unemployment rate goes insane. Like it goes up to like 80% because there's just no jobs or our unemployment rate stays the same but nobody has semblance of like a white collar job except for a few people.
00:38:44
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That would be like, that's where you think it's going. I think. oh I do. Yeah. and like could You could be right. i just I'm sitting out here and i when I see what's going on. The meeting I was at this morning was 50 people. I think about what kind of jobs. I mean, they were they were like successful blue-collar jobs. There were contractors, there were plumbers, there were insurance agents, real estate brokers, ah car salesmen.
00:39:11
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What else was there? like There was a doctor who comes. yeah I'm like, those all those people... Are they replaceable by AI? Someone probably, yeah you know, someone take is a dog there a dog trainer.
00:39:23
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Functions of their job are for sure, if not all of their job. And that is going to accelerate. And so here's where I go back to Amazon. We all chose low prices and Walmart too.
00:39:37
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we' We've all chosen convenience and low prices over everything else in this country and and in the world to some extent. At some point, the choice is going to be different.
00:39:48
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And the choice is going to be, you know do do I walk to my local downtown and buy to a brick and mortar store and buy a T-shirt for $38? Or do I order it on Amazon for $16?
00:40:01
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sixteen dollars And I think that same choice is going to come in a multitude of ways with artificial intelligence. And I i hope a significant portion of our populace chooses to support humanity and not just low prices.
00:40:17
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We'll see, though. We'll see. I don't think that's ever going to happen. OK. guy Well, just the low we're always going to select low price. i mean So you you have a doomsday view then, a complete doomsday view. think we'll figure it out, but but I don't think you're going to stop people that are in a low price.
00:40:38
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You do have people that don't like there's they get to an upper level where they just want what they want either quality or they want to cer like a thing. Like a Ferrari, is no one's buying that on price. It's the luxury and the status and performance and all that stuff.
00:40:53
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That's going to be a hard one to fix. If that's what drives our demise, then so be it. So be it, Lance. But I still want cheap prices all the way to Armageddon. that's That's what I say.