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Stranger Things: Horror or Spooky?
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What's up everybody? Welcome to the Logon Games Podcast for Friday, October the 28th. That's us. Last Friday in October. Spooky, spooky, spooky, spooky. That is us. Has he been watching Stranger Things? Actually watched three episodes tonight.
00:00:32
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Do you feel spooky feeling the holiday season? It was not spooky because I don't think stranger things is very spooky. It's just kind of horror themed more than his horror or anything. But I would say at least up to this point, it's the most horror, I guess, was the episodes we watched tonight, which is, uh, the most, I guess, graphic gory parts of season three. So.
00:00:57
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Uh, the hospital. Yes. The hospital stuff. And yeah, that kind of stuff. Cool. Yep. Not really spooky, but more gory. He's seen scoops of hoy then.
00:01:10
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I
Stranger Things Attraction in Atlanta
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have. So there is a thing in here in Atlanta for the next like two months or something. It's like they like rebuilt some stranger things stuff and you get like go in and you can they have a scoops of Hoyt. You can get ice cream and my hat and stuff like that.
00:01:28
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Nice. Is that an actual running mall that they used? No, it's not. It's not the mall, uh, which we normally have been to it's, it's abandoned completely. So you can't, it was once a mall, but it hasn't been a mall for a long time. So everything in there is either, I think most of it is CGI. Uh, and then there's some obviously real stuff happening, but I think for the most part, all the stores and signs and stuff for CGI.
00:01:59
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Good show. Good show. Uh, you can find the med exchange. He's right. X it's Matthew. I don't have my thing. Probably just scared. Uh, Watson, but that's okay. Probably. So he is a bit a little pansy. So he has, uh, how's it? How's it going?
00:02:23
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going good, going good. It's a busy, busy couple of weeks, but still finding time for some video games. Actually,
Gaming While Learning: A New Trend?
00:02:31
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I, I, um, I'm taking online classes and I do, I despise reading with all those within me. And so I try to buy as many of my books and, uh, audio book format or have them where my phone can read them to me.
00:02:45
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And generally when I do that, I'll just take a day and like jump on something on PlayStation that's kind of like mindless. I don't have to think too hard about it and listen away. So today I played like five hours of Minecraft. Nice. Went ham on the Minecrafts. I did. It's been good. No, it's been good. Minecraft and FIFA. That's the two that I can do without having to really need sound or think about it or whatever. Yeah.
00:03:13
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That's all I'll do on destiny is I will, if I'm playing by myself, I'll just do the Spotify thing and, uh, on PlayStation. And I'll just listen, like if I have to grind something or do something over and over or whatever, I'll just put on music and just do it up. Yep. That's good. Well, FIFA, FIFA has like, uh, if you've played Madden, um, they call it, I'm trying to think of what they call it on Madden. It's like when you trade cards in for new cards. Oh, ultra team.
00:03:40
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Yeah, yeah. I want to, it was where you trade the cards in on ultimately whatever that's called on FIFA. It's a squad building challenges, SPCs. And so they have some out there like you can do over and over and over and over and over again and try to, whatever. So it's very mindless and takes a long time. I did a bunch of those and yeah.
Overwatch 2 Launch and Manscaped Ad
00:03:59
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Well, we are going to be talking about overwatch two on this episode. So if you're listening, if you're an overwatch player, everyone to get in, whatever, we're going to kind of just give you overwatch blowout. I tried that. I tried overwatch today while without sound while listening to a school book. And one match was enough to know that I, I'm going to be honest with you. I was like 25 minutes. I have no idea what I listened to. I was paying full attention to the game.
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00:08:06
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Let's talk about the good first. Start really good because most of the links that I have are the bad links. Yeah, maybe so. There's not a lot of bad. I mean, the bad things about it are not like
00:08:23
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so bad I can't play it bad. It's like the game itself is really good and there are external things that are bad. So I would say 90% of the game is good. There's just oh yeah there's some there's some there is some bad but we'll get to it. But so we went from 6v6 to 5v5.
00:08:44
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We got I mean if you didn't play the beta we went from 6v6 5v5 We got free-to-play. We got Kariko support character Sojourn damage character and Juncker Queen the tank so you got a new support new damage new tank off the bat went free to play and
00:09:07
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Had a terrible, I would say four or five days, if not a week of launch of just being stuck in queue times for Lord knows how long. It wasn't that long. I think it was like two days. Hmm. I mean, it was like two days of like not really playable. And then after that. Yes, two days. You just couldn't play it at all. After that, I was like, you can play it, but you have to wait in a queue for 40 minutes, like five minutes. Not for me and Colby.
00:09:36
Speaker
I don't think I ever, the only time I ever waited in. You didn't play because dad was with you. That's true. That's fair. Good point. But I mean, I did play a little bit, just not a lot, um, that week, but when I was waiting in queues that week to get in, it was just like five minutes to get in. And then me and Colby played.
00:09:56
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And it was quite a long time. Well, they've had a lot of people play that game since it came out. And then it was like, even if you got into like 20 minutes or whatever.
00:10:07
Speaker
there was chances that you would get kicked out of the game and back to the menu and have to get back in the game or whatever. Sure. Yeah. But after the first week, for the most part, I think it was playable. Obviously, they had a bunch of maintenance times that were, you know, inconvenient for us on the eastern coast, but that's fine. They claimed a couple for sure, maybe more than two, but I know at least a couple of DDoS attacks were part of the issues at the beginning. I don't know.
00:10:35
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how accurate that is, but if that's accurate, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Um, they took recently, they took Bastion and Torb out of ranked, but they're back in now. They are back in. So that's good. It is good. That way more people can play tank and damage. Exactly.
00:10:56
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But just now that the game is playable we've played a lot we've played ranked we've played a lot of quick play we've played a lot of ranked we've dabbled in other things here and there skirmish mostly but How are you feeling about it?
00:11:12
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from a gameplay standpoint, just overall, overall, very happy, very happy. Overall, it's the only game I really want to play right now for extended periods of time. If if if it's a evening and I'm like, all right, let's hop on and see who's playing it, you know, play with you or Colby or any of the other friends, I want it to be Overwatch.
00:11:36
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Yeah. It's no gameplay wise, very, very good. I like what the I like some of the changes they made. For the benefit of the gameplay, I think the tank buffing and going down to one tank.
00:11:56
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and having one less person per team running around actually works really well. Let's it feel a little less chaotic. You have a little bit easier of a time keeping track of what's going on. And I think because of that makes this strategy part of the game a little more brought to the forefront. If the other team has one character that's running everything,
00:12:23
Speaker
you switch to certain character and to counter that, it's a massive deal. Huge deal. I mean, just it's hard to even fathom. We played the first Overwatch for a long, long time. But imagine each team having another tank right now. Doesn't that just seem crazy? Seems crazy to me.
00:12:41
Speaker
Oh, it only seems crazy to me if the tanks are buffed like they are. If they're back to where they were this time. I just can't imagine. I mean, we lived in a world where, for years, where Reinhardt and Arisa, you know, just set up shop and it was like, all right, let's unload everything we got. Get rid of these shields for the next 45 seconds. Arisa didn't have a shield anymore. She doesn't have any tanks with shields out. They did.
00:13:03
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And I'll tell you, that's one of the things, too, though, I feel like almost every player in this game, like there's there's a maybe two or three characters in this game. I'm like, why would you ever play them? Other than that, everyone's really like viable right now. If you play that character well, it's good. Super balanced. I mean, especially the ranks that most people are at, which is like where we sit. Just play whoever you want. You know what I mean?
00:13:30
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There's not really many heroes that you're just like, like if you're a damaged hero, you can't do damage to one character. You're not going to be able to do damage to other characters. We play against people that are like, if you just can't do damage in your soldier and you can't do damage, you're not going to be able to do damage to anybody else. So just play who you want to play with. Just go for it.
00:13:54
Speaker
Yeah. What characters right now would you say are pointless to use? Because I have one that sticks out in my head more than any other. Tanks. What tanks? Doomfist.
00:14:09
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That's not the one I was thinking. I do. I would, I would not play him, but I think there's one, even especially at our low ranks, mid, basically bronze to bronze, silver and gold, and probably platinum as well. I just feel like I'm doing this. Like every time I see a doing this on the other team, I'm like, Oh, this is going to be a win.
00:14:28
Speaker
Yeah. Same. I feel similar with diva because it seems like every time either we have a diva or we're playing against the team that has a diva, it's just so easy to melt them. It's like, she has less helps than another tank for some reason. I would not have picked either one of those. I do kind of agree with you a little bit on Doomfist. The one I was thinking was hamster hamster was kind of like. Like if the other team has that for their main tank, that's, that's tough. Like hamster was kind of, um,
00:14:58
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I don't know that he got its value from being the second tank and just being able to go cause havoc and be in the way. But as a tank now, you got to be able to absorb damage and be kind of front and center. So hamsters, the one if like, you just never see him except for, Oh crap, I got to get to the point real quick.
00:15:13
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I mean, hamster can be like a Winston, but you got to be, it takes a lot more skill. Yeah. Yeah. Like as a hamster, you should be able to fly around and annoy people and not die. Yeah. Which is what you do with Winston. It's just easier to do it. I think Winston is in the best place he's been in a long time. He's got that long range shot now be zapping fairs out the sky. That's, that's, you know, that's what he's for.
00:15:42
Speaker
I agree. I mean, other than that, I think every healer for the most part is playable, even though people don't play healers. And then for the most part, every damage, even like at lower ranks, I think is the worst. I think I mean, but at lower ranks.
00:16:03
Speaker
It's not as bad. It's not as bad because people have played Symmetra here and there. Like if they have a Reinhardt, it's like, well, people are just less aware at lower ranks. And so they'll just sit there and get melted by a turret half their life before they realize, oh, there's a turret hurting me. Um, but if you're paying attention, I think Symmetra is probably not very good right now.
00:16:23
Speaker
I mean, just the amount of Genji's that are on our levels. You can get a Symmetra and just that's true. Sombra, Sombra Genji tracer. Genji's aren't very good. If you're annoyed, just have someone switch to Symmetra just throw turrets everywhere. It is rare now for whatever reason. It is rare to play and not have a Genji on both teams. It is. They're everywhere. I don't do anything. I don't understand it. I don't get it.
00:16:49
Speaker
Well, I'm going to read some stuff. Read some stuff. Before I'm going to do one last good news thing, kind of. First of all, Overwatch 2 is sitting at an 80 on Metacritic right now. Mm hmm. I would give higher than that personally. I think it to me, it has the same issue that Destiny 2 had, which is like it doesn't really need to.
00:17:15
Speaker
This doesn't, you went to five V five, I get it, but you can't even play overwatch one anymore. So I even call it two and whatever. Maybe it was marketing thing. Like we need to call it a two because it's going free to play. It's five. Well, it honestly makes, but it's the same game plan. It makes zero difference to me. Um, but it's different. And I'll, I'll say this at this point, it's my game of the year for sure. Like there's nothing close to it. I mean, overwatch one, one game of the year and the game awards. Um, but reading through these reviews, that's basically what they all say. Like.
00:17:43
Speaker
It's there's not enough to make it for us to give it 100 because they were promised us more and we haven't gotten it kind of thing. And it's the same gameplay, just minus a person on each team. But also on Twitch right now, so we are this game came out what October beginning of October, right? Eighteenth, I believe. No, 18th was 18th was Marvel Snap. So it was before that, I don't know.
00:18:13
Speaker
Uh, October the 4th. There you go. So a week away from it being a month, basically. Um, and right now it sits in the number at this very moment, time of recording on a Thursday night at 10, 21 PM. It sits on, uh, at third place on Twitch, as far as people watching. So you have just chatting at 320 grants, F dot O five at two 99 and overwatch two at two 29.
00:18:43
Speaker
And then you have sports because there's an NFL game going on right now. Yeah. My, and then modern warfare, valorant league, apex, all this stuff after that. So, I mean, that's pretty dang good. I think a lot of most of the criticism is from people that played over watch one. A lot of people that never played over watch for it. Just like, oh, it's free to play. I'm going to download it because it's free and try it.
00:19:07
Speaker
I think that's why we're seeing this big boom numbers as people that have already played it. We already knew this game has been good one game of the year. We've been playing it for years. We've already known it's good, but it's free to play and it opens up for a whole lot more people. I think that's the part that's blowing up. There are very, very few games that give me such satisfaction as overwatch when your team works together to accomplish a thing, because first off of the lower ranks,
Overwatch 2 PvE Event: Worth the Hype?
00:19:34
Speaker
It's rare to have everybody on your team actually on the same page. Um, but there to be able to, yeah, like to pull together and strategically do something as a team. That's not, Oh, my skill level was so high. And so we did this, but like, I just did my job and, uh, it's just really, really satisfying.
00:19:54
Speaker
reading from Forbes.com she Forbes don't show up a lot here on the games but sometimes they talk about you overwatch to his first limited time event is a great preview of PvE but the monetization is still rough this comes from Chris Holt on October the 25th
00:20:14
Speaker
Overwatch 2 first seasonal event has arrived along with a new co-op limited mode Wrath of the Bride, a sequel to the first game's Junkenstein's Revenge. It's the best look we've gotten to date at what the much anticipated PvE side of Overwatch 2 might be like when it arrives next year. After wrangling with some server issues, I played a few rounds of Wrath of the Bride and it's a ton of fun, but again, stuff around the edges is a problem.
00:20:39
Speaker
We've had several co-op missions before, including original Junkenstein's Revenge and the archive modes. This one feels a bit more ambitious. As you select Junker Queen, Ash, Sojourn, or Kariko, you'll be dropped into a spooky rework of Eichenwalde. You'll be separated at first, have to find your way through zombies before you group up. Like archive mode, this co-op mode takes place across the entirety of the map, but with tweaks to the layout to make things feel fresh and surprising.
00:21:08
Speaker
Matthew, we've played, uh, we played this once. You've played this once. I've played this a handful of times. We played it once and got slaughtered because we played it with three people instead of four because our fourth person was a rando that dropped immediately. Correct. Played like 30 seconds and quit. I played it once with four people. We ended up dying at the boss boat. I've gotten to the boss and, uh,
00:21:36
Speaker
If I got, I will say this, I mean, I enjoy PVE stuff quite a bit. You know me, Destiny guy, but if this was a campaign, like not specifically the Halloween event, but what we were playing was like a mission or a part of a campaign or something, and you can pick from all your heroes. And we have the skill trees like we saw years ago in the trailer for the PVE stuff or whatever. Then I can definitely see us having a fun time.
00:22:06
Speaker
But this is by itself is whatever to me. I'll never play it again. I have no interest. But at the one time, I don't think it was bad. It's just kind of like Overwatch itself is so good. I don't want to do that. It's not as good as regular Overwatch. I mean, it's like to me, it's not even close. So I just don't have the I just don't have any desire. I played it the one time just to see what it was like with y'all. And this is what I think. I'm still reading this from Forbes. It's the main problem.
00:22:36
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it with it, I would say as the event, not as like if this is what PVP stuff is in the in like the future or whatever. In its own bubble, Wrath of the Bride is a blast. However, when you zoom out, you can see the problems. You won't earn any skins just by playing Wrath of the Bride a bunch of times beyond once you get from leveling up the battle pass. There are a couple dozen event challenges featuring rewards such as plates, weapon charm sprays, voice lines and XP boost. But there are no skins or overwatch coins.
00:23:05
Speaker
If you want the rad new, I kind of, I'm not going to start there, but yeah, that's my main problem is like, there's four difficulties, easy, hard, mega hard, and even harder.
00:23:15
Speaker
I don't know what they're actually called. Um, but yeah, like if I was like, if I beat it, I get nothing. If I beat it on the hardest difficulty possible, I really just don't really get anything. And I'm just like, give me some overwatch coins or something. I mean, 30 overwatch coins, like it is for the weekly challenge. If that were the case, I still wouldn't play it. I don't think that makes that to me, doesn't make a bit of difference. If they get, I'm a, I love playing Hanzo and if they had the coolest Hanzo skin in there, I'd probably be like, man, well that sucks because if I got to play this thing 10 times, I'm just not going to get it.
00:23:45
Speaker
I would if they was like, all right, the boss is a Sombra. Like if you beat it on the hardest difficulty or you get this score or this many stars or whatever, everybody in your party gets the Sombra skin because she's big bad or something like that. And if they did that for the events in the future, then that would be another way to be able to get skins. It's not a battle pass and you wouldn't have spent $80 million.
00:24:11
Speaker
Sure. I mean, I mean, that would be cool. Sure. I just, for me personally would still, that's not even where close to make me want to play it. It's just not, I don't know. I just, I think that the Overwatch PvP is so fun.
00:24:25
Speaker
compared to anything PvE that they've done so far. I'm like, I'm just not interested. It just doesn't seem interesting to me. I love PvE. I mean, this is why they did it because they had they would do these events and never watch one. There's so many people that were like, we love the characters. We love the story. We love this world you've created. Give us like more substantial story PvE stuff. And they're like, all right, we'll make Overwatch 2. And then we still have it.
00:24:51
Speaker
And there are a lot of people out there that want it and and I hope it does well But I am not one of those people I didn't like it in the first one I didn't play I played some of the ones with you I think it maybe it was a Halloween when they did I think we played like all the first like the first time it would happen and we really didn't play it after that
00:25:07
Speaker
Like I remember playing Junkenstein's Revenge or the archives thing, like the first time it ever happened. And then like when the next year rolled around, we're like, no. But I remember. But I even remember with that playing it because that's what y'all wanted to do. I didn't like it. So like, I don't know. It's just not for me.
00:25:24
Speaker
moving on to Skins if you want the rad new Kariko and Juncker Queen looks you'll have to pay up which which Kariko is part of a bundle that cost 2600 overwatch coins It'll set you back around twenty six dollars to standalone executioner Juncker Queen skin cost 1900 coins, which is around 1900 1900
00:25:44
Speaker
$19
Is Overwatch 2's Monetization Fair?
00:25:45
Speaker
in real monies. By this point in the game's life cycle, no one will have earned enough Overwatch coins by completing in-game challenges alone to have enough currency for either skin. Sure, the outfits might be available during future editions of Halloween Terror and you might have earned enough coins for free to snag them by then, but you won't be able to get them now unless you fork over some cash.
00:26:07
Speaker
This sucks especially because when one of the biggest, one of the big draws of seasonal events in Overwatch 1 was getting eight or so new skins that you might unlock in loot boxes or by spending credits on them again. I get that Blizzard has to make money from the game and the skin prices are on par with those in other free to play titles, but it's jarring to see such high prices in the shop.
00:26:31
Speaker
I don't understand that last sentence. That's my big issue with this. I understand there's a few people online that are getting loud about the same issue. But again, I get that Blizzard has to make money from the game and the skin prices are on par with those and other free to play titles. That's. OK, that's I mean, I don't at that point, I don't see what the issue is.
00:26:55
Speaker
It's not like they're gouging you compared to other games. It's just that people got free stuff in loot boxes last time and now they're not. And so they're used to the free stuff in loot boxes. But you know what? The game is free. So I have two sides of this. The game is for some same with Apex. I'm not even going to put Fortnite on this because a lot of skins in Fortnite are cheap.
00:27:20
Speaker
Yup. And they all go on sale quite a bit. Yup. If they have a brand new skin that just comes out, it's probably going to be like $12. And then if you have a skin that's like makes the rounds or whatever it goes on sale, it's like $8, whatever. But you can earn currency in the Battle Pass to be able to get some of those if you want those eventually. So and then on Apex, I compare that with Overwatch pretty well, where it's like,
00:27:50
Speaker
Skins are too expensive like for me and I'll put even for a Rocket League in this I'm not gonna spend $20 on a skin for anything probably ever Or an item like on Rocket League a goal explosion Yep, or a certain car or whatever
00:28:06
Speaker
Maybe a certain car, maybe. But it's got to be something I really would want. But as far as a skin for a car, or an apex of skin for a character or a gun, or in this game, a skin for a character, I'm not going to spend $20. And I don't know why anybody else has spent $20. No. The fact that just the skin is $19, which is basically $20.
00:28:29
Speaker
I mean, I just want to say like I, if my favorite character had the, my perfect skin, I probably still wouldn't spend $20 on it. I'm with you. I'm the same way. Most likely. Now I would say I'm more likely to do it just because the game is free than I would be if it wasn't, if it, if I paid 70 bucks for this game or even 40 bucks for this game and it was 20 bucks for the skin, I would never even think about it. They came out with the best Hanzo skin ever for $19.
00:28:58
Speaker
I would probably think about it, but that doesn't mean I would do it, but here's my thing. Okay. Then don't buy it. And if, if the market will set itself, if people buy those skins for 20 bucks, they're going to keep coming out with them for 20 bucks.
00:29:14
Speaker
If not enough people buy it, they're going to lower it to 15 and then to 12 until whatever, whatever that price range is where they go. Okay. This is the spot where people are willing to pay this much for it. So I think I will say, I'll just say one other thing. I think what they, I think they do need to add in the season pass for future seasons, a little bit more currency, um, any currency at all.
00:29:40
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Well, it's there in the weekly challenges thing, but it's not very much, but I'm thinking literally just like, uh, you hit level.
00:29:51
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15 here's 10, you know, you hit level 25. Here's 20, but not a lot. You don't need to give people time. But if I, if Hanzo skin came out and it was $19 and I was like, Oh, that's a little steep, but actually I have like $9 worth of stuff. So I only have to buy 10 bucks. Okay. I might do that. Yeah, that's exactly what I was about to say because apex is the same way. It is. Um, you have that, uh, basically you have,
00:30:17
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the money currency and then an apex is like a secondary currency thing. But that's in the battle path. So it's like,
00:30:27
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There may be this themed season is not for me in a picture, whatever. So either I won't get the battle pass or whatever, but I'll have enough of those things saved up. If I do get the battle pass that next season, if there's a skin or a character skin or whatever that I want, like you said, I either have enough to just get it or less. I mean, that's what I've done in apex and I have a lot of stuff in apex. That's what I've always done.
00:30:51
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I just save up enough and it takes a long time to get enough to like buy the highest tier item or whatever. It does. But you get there and I've probably gotten five or six highest tier items that way. And it would be the same way in Overwatch. It's just the way it's set up right now. It takes a long time. Yeah. But I will say that does add one thing that I do like about it, which I really don't like it when oh, these two characters have really cool skins that just came out.
00:31:20
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And it's so accessible that every time you play against, uh, Corrico, she's which Corrico like, I like to be able to see skins and go, Oh, cool. They got that one. Like, I love that. And I think maybe one of the ways that they could do that would be maybe have, uh, the last level of a, um,
00:31:40
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of the battle pass or one of the further levels in, say take three characters and have three really good cool skins for those characters. And when you hit that battle pass level, you have to choose which one you want.
00:31:52
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I think stuff like that would be really cool. And then everybody wouldn't have that Junkrat skin or whatever. It's just the people that chose it because you could have chose the other one if you played somebody else. All right. Now the last level is their mythic skin character that they'll do everywhere, which is like, it is Genji this time, but you can like.
00:32:12
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You can change its it has options for its face for its arms different colors all sorts of stuff like that So you can have different versions that I get to you, but sure sure they could do like fortnight Which is like after the battle passes over there's like a bonus battle pass But things are like it's an absurd amount of XP you have to get just to like do one level Yeah, they have like really crazy stuff to get after yeah
00:32:35
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I really like that choice thing. I think that would accomplish a lot. And they do that in FIFA. There's a lot of those SBCs in FIFA where you finish complete this SBC and you can only do it one time.
00:32:50
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And you get to choose between the two versions of this player, or you choose between these two or three people or whatever. And that's your only choice, only chance to do that. So whenever you choose that one, you can't ever get the other ones. I think that would be solid and kind of keep everybody from wearing the same exact stuff, but still give you an option to grab something cool. And even if you need to like the battle passes with $10, even if you need to raise the battle pass price to 15, but you throw that currency in there.
00:33:16
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Could help. I mean, it needs to be five dollars worth of currency. So that's a lot of currency. Five hundred. Yeah.
00:33:25
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Well, see, I'm sure they'll mess with it over the next little bit. And this is the first one, too. So you get two, three seasons in just from playing. We're going to have stuff saved up. We'll be able to grab. Like I said, the good news is it's a ten dollar battle pass, which most battle passes are more than that. So on a free game. But the problem also with the battle passes, I don't know how many people care about voice lines that aren't even for characters that they use.
00:33:52
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Right. Like most of the battle passes is voice lines and sprays of characters that you may or may not use. So it's like that's over half the battle pass. Well, I mean, you go through it and there's, you know, about every chunk of 10 levels, you can see all this stuff. And there's usually in every chunk of 10, there's one thing that I'd like.
00:34:10
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I don't like, it's not like, Oh, I gotta have that. There's not a lot of that, but there's one thing I'm like, Oh, that's cool. I'll take that. Um, so even though you get a bunch of stuff in between, honestly, there's been a lot of negative feedback on that with their prices for stuff. I don't have an issue with it. And again, I think the market will set itself. If people pay it, they'll leave the price there. If people don't, it's coming down.
00:34:33
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And the next season starts in December. So we'll see the new character, correct? Yeah. New tank. So we'll see if anything changes or happens by then. And also think when the next story will be affected by that, when the PVE stuff actually does drop, it wouldn't surprise me if you get, if there's rewards in there for doing stuff.
00:34:53
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Maybe, sure. Like in Halo, you do like the hardest thing. You got the helmet. And so when you played online, people were like, Oh, dang, you did something real hard. Maybe. I want to be cool again. You know, we're too old for that. This goes from Dex, Dex.
00:35:14
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Come on, say it, Angie, you can do it. DickSertow.com. I was about to say Dick Starrow, but that's not what it is. Overwatch 2's lack of support players is resulting in unbalanced ranked matches. You don't say.
00:35:28
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All sorts of Overwatch 2 players from a variety of ranks are calling on Blizzard to do something about the game's matchmaking as matches are becoming completely unbalanced. The new ranked system in Overwatch 2 has left quite a lot to be desired, with players now forced to either win 7 games or lose 20 before seeing if they went up or down.
Support Player Shortage in Overwatch 2
00:35:47
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Well, many players have taken issue with the new system having been placed lower in their skills that their skills suggest the matchmaking itself is plagued by a lack of supports. Not by us. No. Across Reddit, support and non-support players alike blamed Overwatch 2's matchmaking for their woes, claiming that they're being put in games with people of a completely different skill.
00:36:11
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The lack of people queuing support is causing matchmaking to throw supports into any game almost instantly with little regard to a team's balance in SR, a diamond player explained. Backing up these claims, the Redditor revealed they've been tracking their own teammate's SR over a dozen matches and had a total of 9 gold players, 27 platinum players, and just 12 in diamond.
00:36:33
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There's such a massive lack of support, squealing, it seems that as soon as one enters the queue, the matchmaker puts in the game almost immediately with little attempt to keep the team SR within a reasonable range. I don't know how true this is for us, because we are not in diamond ranks. We are probably the lower people being placed in the hires thing. Probably so. Had a light go out. We got a blow out.
00:37:02
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Did you? I missed it. We're back. You did. So I actually played some support. I was playing right before we started recording and.
00:37:15
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won my seventh match as a support for this next time through. I placed this support in like bronze, something, three, four, I don't know, low, before they did the update that fixed the placement stuff. And so when I placed this time or in a place, but when I won my seven, I think I won seven in like maybe 10 or 11 games.
00:37:42
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And so, um, it bumped me all the way to silver three. So it jumped me up like a full thing. So, um, at some point that's going to balance out. It is.
00:37:54
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Uh, yeah, it's just gonna have to balance itself out. It'll take some time, but we've talked about it on the podcast for, or is it neat? I say easy fix, but the fix is just having more support players. Like you go on there to pick now and there's not that many tanks or support compared to damage, but there's only one tank a match.
00:38:14
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Sport, you got two, you get two sports in there and you only have however many, like six characters compared to the 15 or however many there are for damage, which is an obscene amount. Yeah. Like 100%. If there was 12 sport characters right now, I don't know if we'd have this issue as bad. Depends on what, you know what, you know, what would blow people's minds and they would hate it and they would yell about it a lot, but I would be okay with it.
00:38:41
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If they changed, they put soldier in support, made his healing thing more and his damage less. Could be I'd love that too. Because people would flip because people would be like, but it's all I play a soldier. But now you have sojourn, who is basically the same thing almost. They're very similar in a lot of ways. Just I would just make his heel, his heel circle bigger, make it heal more and just nerf his damage a bunch. Yeah.
00:39:11
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Uh, I, that to me would be a change that would make more people play it because soldier is one of those characters that a lot of people don't mind playing and a lot of people main. So, um, but that's there a hundred percent, right? That's what they need. They need more support. I almost, if, if I'm, if I work there, which I do not, um, I would.
00:39:33
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This next character, I think supposed to be a tank in December. Yeah. And the one after that supposed to be a support, I believe. Correct. That sounds right, but I don't know for sure. Well, if that is right, I would switch it, man. I know that just came out with the support, but that's what your game needs, man. I would say, all right, what do we got to do to flip this around and get the support character out?
00:39:53
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I think the easiest way would be similar to what you said, which is obviously you need new support characters. But if you can change any of these damage, like if Symmetra take her back, put her back, put her support and just let her.
00:40:10
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Her robot and a little whatever robot things turrets do heal instead of damage, or maybe they all turn a night like if they do both teammates close by heels. If not, it does damage or something. Have them do both. Hey, man, take her back to someone she had before where she had like the shield thing she put up and. Or maybe not that way, but there's there are ways to do it is my point, but that yeah, that's the biggest issue. The biggest issue when you are in that.
00:40:37
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That's the other problem when you have all these new players, which they do have. That's the biggest positive good news, honestly, from Overwatch is the number of players they've had play this game so far. It's been pretty insane. They are getting some player base, like a massive.
00:40:53
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When a player, a new player comes in and says, Oh, what do I want to play? Let me look at all the characters. Oh, there's twice as many damaged characters as everything else. It's like, well, odds are that's probably where they're going to land then. I mean, just that's how math works, you know, not because they don't want to play support or tank, but because you got twice the chance that they're going to find a character they like. That's a damage instead of something else. So, you know, I'm going to look at the overwatch to character list real quick.
00:41:23
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Cause I'm going to, I'm going to get, I'm going to give them everything they want and need right now. Are you going to see who, uh, who we need to switch? Um, possibly. Are we solving the world? I'm trying to solve the world. Um, solve the world, Andrew. Hmm.
00:41:47
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We talked about this when we were playing overwatch the other day, but I think a part of This is more a higher end Overwatch people and it is the normal person, but I think that's what kariko is for It's for those those players that want to play a high skilled character But they don't want to play support now you have like a high school character on support like headshots with kariko and
00:42:14
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you can do so much more damage with her if you get headshots than any other sport character. So you can sway a game by yourself if you're a kariko that can headshot. But I think a character like Pharah that heals, like someone who can fly in the air,
00:42:32
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Kind of like Mercy, but actually do something when they're up there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They can fly in the air and do like a little bit of damage because it is, it takes more skill to fly in the air and shoot people. What about? That skill base and then, but they can also, you know, like shoot down healing things for your team or whatever. Sure, sure, sure, sure.
00:42:52
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What about take echo would be to me a good one to move to support to basically have her heal instead, you know, more healing than damage or whatever, but keep her all the same where she can just flip into anybody she wants. That'd be a cool way to do that. But here, here's the one I'm thinking. Torb a Torb that has a turret that heals, shoots healing instead of, uh, damage.
00:43:19
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You do it. They got options, but there's just, there's a lot of, let's see tank wise. You have one, you have 10 tanks right now. Uh, support characters. You have eight that's after the new one.
00:43:35
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Damage you have for a 12, uh, 16, 17, 17. That's the issue. Yes. If 17 damage characters and 18 of everything else combined.
00:43:52
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It's a problem. It is a problem. And as of today, as of today, it's the worst that I've seen it this year, which is IQ. I just I don't want to play support all the time. Hanzo is my favorite person to play. My second first favorite person to play would be Zarya with a close third being Zenyatta. So I could play somebody in everything and really enjoy it. And there's some other characters I don't mind playing to.
00:44:16
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But that's that's my favorite way to go But we play flex almost all the time just because it's a five or six or seven minutes shorter wait to go play and today it was less than two minutes to get into a game as a flex or support and Damage was nine plus or yeah greater than nine and or less than nine Whatever does it say greater than or less than I don't remember never nine minutes was around and then eight for tank So it was eight nine and two like
00:44:47
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It's been, it's been basically two forever, except for like half it has been, but it, but it was where it was two. And then it was like five and six or four and five for the other ones. Now it's up to like eight and nine for the other ones. Um, but that's going to get worse before it's getting better. If they come out with a tank in December.
00:45:06
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Yep. Um, but I like, I like the soldier idea and it might piss a lot of people off, but I don't care. Soldiers are, I think you're now in support. Congratulations. Symmetra. You're also now in support. Not only is it add support characters, but it takes away damage. So we're balanced out a little bit and then we'll add a new support in there.
00:45:27
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Well, honestly, I think at that point, if you went soldier, that soldier idea and Symmetra at that point, I think that fixes the problem. Take a step. I think you're done. I think you can just now create your characters as normal and go forward, spread them out. And I think that would fix it. I really do.
00:45:45
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Yeah, because a lot of people that are playing tank are playing tank because they want to do damage, but they don't want to wait to play damage. And so they don't necessarily queue as a tank. They queue as tanker damage because there's, there's damage in both of those spots. Um, but.
00:46:01
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Oh, it stinks because the gameplay is really, really good and I don't mind playing support, but even Hanzo is the only player that. There's the only character that I could, I'll play for three hours and be fine. I'll play him again, man. I love it. Um, every other character, even the ones I like, I mean,
00:46:20
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I like four games in a row is that character? I'm like, OK, switch it up a little bit here, do something a little different. Or you have the people now. That don't want to wait for matchmaking, but they want to play damage, so they pick more on his fling the entire game. Right, which is really annoying because more it can heal really, really well. And she can put out a lot of damage as well. She can't put out, but you don't need to think to put out damage. But Moira putting out a ton of damage and not healing is not actually a good thing for your team.
00:46:50
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No, it's not. No, there's been multiple. That's that's the thing about Overwatch that makes the gameplay balancing so good is that we've played games recently where one team won the game or it was very close to like, you know, down to the wire kind of thing. And one team had double the kills and double the damage as the other team.
00:47:14
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But the other team's healers knew what they were doing and the team stayed together and backed off and they need to back off and didn't just go get it. And it's like, man, working as a team on this game is. That's the goal to win. It's not, Oh, I got to kill. Well, awesome. But did you die immediately after and then leave us without you because they're closer to their spawn than we are to ours. So that kind of stuff that people sometimes don't think about you. You can't really play this game with a call of duty mindset.
00:47:44
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Yeah. Well, and that's part of the free to play, like, especially people coming from Apex and Call of Duty, it's free to play shooter and they get on there and there's a million damage characters that are basically all shooters. That's what I do now.
00:47:59
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So if you're new, what I'm saying is pick support character that you like. There's some good for support people like, like us, like I'll play support forever. I don't care. So I have a good time. Cause I play basically every support character except for Ana. So I play a little bit and that's probably my second support character is on us. So, um, honor Lucio. So we, we can kind of have that.
00:48:25
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When you and I play support together, which happens quite often, actually, um, we can pretty much have every situation coverage from a support standpoint that we need to. That doesn't mean that our other characters or other teammates will know what the heck they're doing, but, um,
00:48:42
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Oh, yeah. Um, it's, it's, it's the gameplay is just really good though. It just is incredibly balanced for the different, just the incredible amount of different characters and abilities and how one character in the tank role is so vastly different from other characters in the tank role. And so, you know, same with every role, but how different they can all be in the game still be so balanced the way it is. It's, it's pretty impressive.
00:49:09
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Yeah, I agree. I want to play right now. Here's what I want to test. We are yet to play with five people. We've played with four people in a party, but you get to play with five in a party. If you get a full party of five, do you find a match way faster? That's my question because that would be worth it. But that is something else I would like to see them
00:49:32
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The fix is in Overwatch 1, if you're unaware, and this is the only Overwatch game you've played, they had a card system at the end which showed certain stats and whatever. For one, I don't know if they need to do the card system, but an after match something would be great.
00:49:52
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Kind of like in Rocket League, like here's the stats, do you want to play again right now? And you hit yes. Instead of going to the main menu, if you're playing ranked, having to go back in it and everybody in your party has to hit start and pick their role and all this stuff. Give us a scoreboard at the end and that way also the group up button lasts longer. Because right now it's like if you don't group up before that highlight intro hits,
00:50:16
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Yep. You're done. And I forget about it every single time. You're right on that, but when we have good teams, I'm like, I've highlighted interest going. I forgot. If grouping up with five people, though, if you have a five person group allows you to get into a match super, super quickly. That super, I mean, it gives so much benefit to people grouping up where they wouldn't have done so before, because what difference does it make? If they, if you can get guys to group up and talk to each other, that makes Overwatch experience way better on both sides.
00:50:44
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And that's what was overwatch once. Like, you know, you play the, you play the game and your teams stay together and you played and you won or whatever you group up. If you lose the next two, then you unband, you know, whatever. Sure. Yeah. And theoretically it's harder to group up in overwatch one. You have one less person in overwatch two, so you should be able to do it easier. Yeah. So, um, we'll see. The gameplay is really good. And here's the, and here's the other thing.
00:51:13
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Marvel snap is out and is really good and you can play games in like three minutes. So if you don't want to play support, just queue up and play a couple of Marvel snaps and you're good to go. See, I tried to do that the other day, but then I was on defense and I was still in a Marvel snap game and I was like, dang it. I got to pick a character. I got to run all the way over there and I still got to finish this Marvel snap game.
00:51:32
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I've done that a couple of times. I'm going to be honest with you. I just didn't tell you. Sorry. I stopped doing it. So those games, I didn't want to do it again. But, uh, season or season two, I guess of overwatch two hits in December with a new tank character and maybe definitely probably some balance changes and maybe a new map and who knows what else they're going to do. We'll see.
00:51:53
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Yeah. I think they need to go to a hundred on the battle pass too, just because I think just about everybody that's played from the beginning is going to hit 80. And, um, I think 20 more levels, even though most people would hit it, I think would just make it seem like
00:52:11
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Uh, the right amount of trying to finish the battle. But if it's 20 more levels of voice signs, I don't want it. Or sprays or weapon charms. I'm okay with it. Give me, give me some currency in the battle path. Yep. Give me some more skins, even if they're just a different color of something that already exists.
00:52:32
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How about 20 more levels? The last 10 levels are all 10 currency. And then the last, the hundredth level is like 50. I don't care what you do. Just do it. So it's not a ton of current. You don't get it. Like, like 140. I don't know if it'll be next season or the season after, but they'll mess with it in some way. I'm sure.
00:52:55
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