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Ep 135 - The Chronicles of Meonia - A conversation with Giuseppe La Rosa and his ancient artefact prtections
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In this episode, we speak to Giuseppe La Rosa about his book, The Chronicles of Meonia and his life find ing and protecting the ancient artifacts.
The Chronicles of Meonia is a true story, revealing the search by a group of people known as The Order of Meonia to discover mystical artefacts that had been hidden for hundreds of years. Following paranormal and psychic clues, the Order were witness to incredible displays of paranormal phenomena, eventually retrieving many of these objects. Some of these artefacts had been placed beyond time and space by former members of the Meonia Group in past ages, indicating that they were in possession of powerful occult knowledge. What this knowledge entailed, the search continues?
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Transcript
Introduction to Paranormal Exploration
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Welcome to the worst nightmare of all. Reality. Explore the lesser known stories of our unknown world. Join the pursuit of the paranormal with Ash and Greg.
Anticipation for Today's Story
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Good evening Greg, how are you? I'm good thanks Ash, how are you doing?
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And very good looking forward to this week's episode. This is something that I know of you that I've been trying to get for over a year. Now, just one reason or another, not been able to quite get it to work, but we have now.
Introducing Joe LaRosa and Mike Puthlow
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And it's just it's the space around the book that was released last year, and an experience is of our guest tonight. And it's absolutely been it's quite hard to describe how
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experiences is. I'm not going to try to. You'll probably best get it from the man himself. But it's fair to be a bit amazed by what we're going to talk about this evening. So welcome, Joe LaRosa and Mike Puthlow, umno, umni. How are you guys doing? Well, I'll ignore that. It's good to finally get to, you know, face to face
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after 12 months or so. Yeah, definitely,
Inside 'The Chronicles of Mionia'
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definitely. So we're going to be talking about your book. It's just the chronicles of Mionia. Mionia. Mionia. I literally asked. We're about a minute in. That's two mistakes in about a minute, Ash. It doesn't bode well. If you haven't come across a word before, they can be a bit difficult. Well, difficult, but you know, depending on which part of the country you come from as well.
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Yeah, that's another way of saying it. Let's go. Let's go with that. So the chronicles of me on here. Me and Naya. Me and Naya. The chronicles of me on Naya. There we go.
Joe's Early Paranormal Experiences
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So first off, before we sort of go into the book and, you know, basically your life story, basically, and what this book goes into, do you want to introduce us just who, who are you and how this whole thing came about? Well, I was born in Italy and I came over when my parents were about four and a half years old.
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And when I was about five, I started having some rather strange experiences, which at the time, obviously, being a young kid, you wouldn't understand. And basically, I was having out-of-the-body experiences, but not understanding what the hell they were and what was going on. And it started with this hopeful thing, this vibration that manifested in my head and my forehead and just flowing straight through my body. And I would start turning. It's, you know, it's on my body.
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And then I started moving out, and I thought, what the hell is going on, even at that age? And I decided, no, no, I don't want this. It was frightening me, because I actually had no understanding of what was transpiring. And so it was something that kept on manifesting itself for a certain amount of time. But I stopped the vibrations from manifesting, actually. I slowed them down. And gradually, over a period of time, to then 15, something like that,
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They just kept on basically not dying, but they slowed down. When I left school at 15, I decided that I needed to find out exactly what this event was that happened when I was younger.
Discovering Astral Projection
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I went through the Bible and all that type of stuff, but there's nothing there. Eventually, I discovered astral projection as one of what they call the cities in the Eastern religion.
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And basically what a city is, is the power that really everybody, every human being has got within themselves. Or you just need to follow the correct path to achieve these manifestations, including telepathy, that sort of thing. And so I continued reading over a period of time, probably right at the time of the 22, something like that, how I started to
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experience different levels of awareness through meditation. And one particular night, I had this massive event where my green, my third eye opened. And it was basically the color green. And then that particular night, I actually, I still projected correctly properly. And it's floating at the top corner of the ceiling, looking down at my physical body and bed.
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And it was quite an odd experience that was. And since then, I've had quite a number of different manifestations.
Joining the Mionia Group
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But moving on through the year before I came involved with me and I, a friend of mine, who was a reporter in the stand, which is in the book, wanted me to come over and meet some people who he'd come across regarding this really strange story of paranormal phenomena.
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He took me over to this gentleman's house and began to describe to me some of the things that were going on. And I knew straight away there was something phenomenal happening and I wanted to be a part of it. So a few days later I hung them up and they told me to come over and they allowed me to become a member of this group, the me and I group,
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And it was then that my whole world, I mean, my whole world had changed when I was young with the astral projection. But as time went on, I became involved in stuff that I, you know, you can't explain scientifically. We were open dimensional doorways, retrieving objects that had been placed beyond time and space. And when the dimensional doorway opens, you get this incredible high powered, almost like a dynamo of electrical noise occurring, a phenomenal sound.
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And like I said, there's so many things that happened. We were involved with tuning into entities such as PAN. The nature is basically a god, a human as well. Things like that were occurring.
Paranormal Family History
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But basically, for me, the most powerful events were when we opened the dimensional doorways.
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You say that they made a noise when you open a dimensional doorway. What kind of sound was it? A dynamo, like a high-pitched dynamo, an electrical dynamo. And in some of the investigations I've done and spoke to other people, they actually hear this also at certain stone circles. OK. Again, I think the stone circles were built over
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over centers of high energy on the ley lines. And my own personal opinion is that the circles were used for other things than just religious, just places just for me for religious grains, for various white people like the druids and the Celtic people. So there's a lot more going on than most people realize.
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Definitely. So before we kind of go into some of your experiences, was there any sort of family history that your parents let you know how this happened to them? Well, have you told them about what was happening to you when you were younger? Yeah, I did try. But no, as far as I'm aware, there's no history of it in the family. And unfortunately, with being in Italy is what I'm sorry, with being in England, there's no way I could ask the family who was still expanded in Italy.
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Because at that time, there's no way of communicating. I'm talking about the 60s and 70s. We know we had a phone off and didn't know mobiles. The first time I did go to Italy was 67, when I was based 17 at the time. But obviously, I hadn't experienced that much. So it was something that I wasn't really able to discuss with people in Italy anyway.
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about when it comes to your children and if they have any experiences all year, how do they sort of feel about it when you told them? I think my children have picked up a student of my DNA. And yeah, they have had experiences. Both my, I've got two daughters and both my eldest and my youngest have had certain experiences
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So talk about your book. So you very kindly sent me copy of the book. I say I read it. I literally want to start reading it.
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I kind of read it all the way through, I didn't put it down till I'd finished it because I was just blown away by what was what I was reading really. And to be honest, when I first started reading it, I mean, you do kind of have to suspend belief for a bit of the topics that are covered in here and sort of what you guys went through.
The Green Stone's Ancient Roots
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It's just beyond anything I've ever read or even heard of before. And when you first start reading it, you just think,
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This cannot be real. There's just nothing. I thought I'd read a Dan Brown book at first, because he got a lot of parallels with what gets discussed in his books. But then when he came on reading it, I like his pictures, there is evidence in the book. So I was just absolutely blown away. So first of all, well done on the book. It's really well put together. It tells a story very neatly. I appreciate that, Josh.
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Yeah, no problem. So don't give us a sort of bit of an overview of what, I guess, the order of me and I, yeah? Yeah. Did I get that right? Me and I. Me and I. I thought I had it. So it's around the order of the me and I, which is this group of people carrying out, I guess you call it quest is a way of looking at it.
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Can you tell us what the purpose of this group was and why you were all together and what you were trying to do? Well, originally, I first met the group, the founder of Greenstone in a castle by the River Avon. And I came along, I think this was about 1979 when the founder of Greenstone,
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And I came along in the end of 1981 and caught and obviously got involved with the other things. But gradually I began to piece together or they tell me a few snippets of things of information. And it appears that the Mianaya saga has been going on for thousands of years. And if you read, if you get yourself a copy of the Greenstone,
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It does tell you about there was a population of megalithic builders in England who, from the information that they had psychically, had decided to move from England because there's a lot of negativity going on. And you're talking probably about, I don't know, four or five thousand years ago, something like that. And they traveled across Europe and eventually ended up in Egypt.
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where they imparted their knowledge to the priest was there and also to the pharaohs in Akhenaton was involved from the information that he had and producing the green stone and in being with his poet. So this me and I thing goes back a long, long way.
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How does it feel that you were part of this? Obviously, this has been going on a long time, not many people are aware of it. How does it sort of make you feel like you were a part of this incredible story, this journey? Well, 12 months prior to my meeting, Graeme Phillips and Taddy Shorten, who were two of the people involved, two of the main people, I had a strong feeling
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that I was going to be involved in something, that there's something in front of me, but this feeling was so strong. I didn't know what it was, but I knew it was out there in front of me. And when I met Terry, and then later I met Graham, Graham Phillips, he's like the medium's the group that you probably have read, and he's written quite a few other books as well.
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that I knew that there was something phenomenal going on, especially with the things that, you know, with the green stone, they discovered the green stone and some of the things that were occurring. And to me, it felt like a, it sounds like a fantasy, but I knew it wasn't. You know, they were speaking about the green stone, but the green stone being the grail. And, but I'd already heard about
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grail being a green stone, not the cup. There's a German troubadour in the 12th century wrote a book called Passable, which I'd come across and read way, way before they'd ever met the group. And he said that the grail was not a cup, basically. He says it is a green stone. It's a green jam. That is the grail.
Impact of Astral Projection on Reality
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And there's because there's a lot of a lot of
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discrepancies in what people believe the grail to be. And this is one of the things that I realized that the green stone, the Mianai stone may purportedly be the grail that has been taught, you know, been taught way through history, and especially since Walthambong Eskimbat, difficult to say his name, stated that the grail was
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was the green stone, it's because he was also an alchemist. And there was a lot of things that he wrote in his book, and well, sorry, they were poems at the time, that gelled with what I knew, you see. And obviously, with the writing of the green stone, that sort of kick-started everything off in this time period.
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has only been going on for quite a long time, a thousand years really. So just taking it back at just a little step, where you mentioned about you astral projecting when you were young, how does your brain cope with
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this kind of insanely different view of reality that you almost instantly get the first time that happens because obviously that's not a typical thing that happens to a child or an adult really. So how does your brain process or what was your thinking around that?
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Well, at the time, I couldn't really tell you what was going on through my head as far as, you know, the thing. Just I knew that something was occurring and that never happened to me before. And first of all, I was, I won't say the word was fascinating, but I was intrigued by this feeling that I had about this thing was happening in my head. This, well, I know, you know, to be an energy and it just flows through my body. And as it flowed,
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The faster you got, the more intense this feeling became, and then I began to turn inside my body like that. And you can feel the thing that you call the eye, the self, the ego, whatever it is, turns with you. So at one time I ended up with the feeling of self,
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at the bottom, and we figured out, I completely turned with time, my body like that, and then I began to move out. And I thought, oh, what's this? What's this? What's this? And I became frightened, and I stopped it from occurring, and ended up being back, you know, as I, as I know and was, you know, with, with feeling of sadness on my head. And I was, I was awake then, I wasn't asleep. Nowadays, sometimes with me, it happens when, when I'm asleep, but I wake up in an alter state of awareness.
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which, unless you've had that, it's difficult to explain. Your body's asleep, but you are awake. And over period of time, as a part older, the intensity of the astral projection changes somewhat, and as much as vibrations don't occur as often. But what happens when you do project
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This feeling of self, the ego, goes with you. Because they say that there's several different bodies that you actually have, not just the physical, not just what they call the dream body, or astral body, there's also the energy body as well. There's several bodies, so the esoteric law goes. But I realized one time that when I projected, I could feel this feeling of self, this ego, which goes with it,
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And I realized that what was actually happening is that this reality that we have, that we experienced, isn't really the reality of what we believe it to be. Because I should not have this feeling of self outside of my body. OK? But there was me lying in bed, on quite a number of cases, next to my wife. But I wasn't there. I was not there.
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Did you get like a feeling that it was going to happen? So did you, you sense like at some point it was going to, you were going to astral project or was it something you were able to start controlling as you got older?
Guidance on Astral Projection
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How did that work?
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So I find the whole astral projection thing fascinating and it's something I've always wanted to try. Yeah, but I think it vanishes a different people. With me, it still started with this vibration, this feeling. It wasn't as strong as when I was younger. Maybe changed slightly, I don't know. But it always starts with this feeling, this vibrational frequency. But I'm in an altered state of awareness, which means that my physical body is still asleep. Or I, this ego feeling, is awake.
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And the actual, I'm sorry, the altered state is something different to what you perceive when you're in your physical body. That's the only way I can explain it. It's different. It's a different state of awareness to how you are when you're in your physical body. So did you were you able to control where you went? Or are you able to control where you go? Should I say? You can do. But one time,
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what I asked what I said is that well let it be easy short people not as I make it because when you're out there expect if you're on the astral plane you can create what you want and what I wanted to do is something's supposed they're trying to tell me something for me and I a lot I want it to happen without my interference I want them to take me or whatever it is this energy power whatever it is out there to take me or do what it needed to do so I said
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Let it be as you should be and not as I make it. I like that. As soon as I thought that I was flying through the air at an incredible speed and I ended up going through what looked like a castle, through a tower. I won't tell you too much about it because then it goes into the more mystical side of stuff.
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not that great at explaining things. Anyways, you can tell. So to go into, to go even deeper, I prefer to go full face-to-face really, you know, right? But anyway, yeah, it is an odd experience. And if anybody wants to try and do it, I wouldn't stop them because it is an incredible experience to have. And then you might get some understanding.
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I get the impression that with astral projection a certain or the experience that you're describing is almost sounds similar to when people take ayahuasca or psilocybin and have a connection with
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these entities in essentially a different reality. And I get the impression from what you discussed there, that's a very similar kind of way that the shamans and that when they use ayahuasca a lot, that that's the kind of projection they have of themselves, they understand
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everything at that point. They understand what everything is, what you are, and that people have kind of, it's almost like a life affirming experience. Did you get like a life affirming experience when you protected? Oh, got that off. Yeah. Not off. Basically tells you that what you believe this reality to be, and what people tell you and what people experience is not as you believe it to be. It's not, it's not.
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I discovered this more pliable in the sense that you can use your mind, if you reach these high states of awareness, a bit into people's control, certain aspects of yourself, the spiritual side, that you can do things that people will not believe. Like I said to you before about the cities that some of the yogis possess and have utilized. But yeah, astral projection is probably one of the
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I would like one of the most easiest ones to achieve. But obviously you have to set your mind to it and, you know, practice really. That's what it's about. So moving back onto the book.
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again, on your journey.
Psychic Battles and Supernatural Quests
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So you had, you had a lot of what we call battles, psychic battles at various, I'd say various places around the UK, these old buildings, these religious buildings, famous ones that people would know, people would know these places that you went to on this journey. Can you just sort of explain
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what these psychic battles were and how you experience them because it's not something that if someone was studying it bad, they won't be able to see what was actually happening. Let's just explain sort of that whole how that whole thing worked. Well, probably the one that was stood out the most for me is originally I'd only been with a group for about six months or so, seven months or so. And we were informed that we had to find this
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the Eye of Fire, which is a red stone. Well, we find that it was orange, not red. We ended up in the middle of the north of Broad on a boat to go to a specific place where the eye fire had been hidden. Well, prior to that, to get more information regarding the Eye of Fire,
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The group had gone to a place called Rantenabi. Unfortunately, that particular night I couldn't be with them that day because I'd got something on. So they went with only eight of the group went, including Terry Shorten and Graham Phillips.
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because they were told there was a ball hidden there in Rantanabi, but they didn't know where. When they got there, it was a derelict building. And so the sewage rained at this place, and they were told that they got to get this ball before nighttime, because there was something in there.
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There was a guardian that had been placed on the ballot itself because they needed the ballot to find or to invoke the knowledge of finding the IFI. So they got there and went around and did a tour and did all manner of trying to find this ballot using psychic information and a bit of clairvoyance there.
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And eventually, it came up to a point where it was getting really dark. And then things started to happen there. There was this, well, I think you've read that part on the IFI a bit, but there was these ghostly creatures of more something manifesting, walking down like bloody ghosts or strange type of creatures
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And then they heard this strange noise, and they believed that it was this thing called the guardian. They'd awoken the guardian. So eventually they found the bell. They scarpered and went back to tell you, that's when I arrived later on about 10 minutes later, I think I arrived. And they got back from Cincinnati with this bell. And they told me what had happened.
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One of the group called Marion, she was psychic. She had confronted the guardian in this building. And it appeared that she didn't know at the time, but she started feeling a bit poorly. And it appeared that this thing might have followed her home. Because one night, she was feeling rather poorly, and she was sitting in the lounge, and she heard these footsteps upstairs.
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and they started walking down. There's nobody in the house apart from her. Walked down the stairs, on the landing, down the stairs, along the corridor to where the lane's door was, and then the door just flung open by itself, and there was this creature hovering in midair, right? Her doppelganger, her twin, it was her face on this creature, right? And she obviously,
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She was frightened to death and she just passed out. I don't know what I did on in Hope. So that was the first encounter with this thing called the Guardian. And when moving on the boat, this Guardian came back, but it came through Graham, who had gone into trance.
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And I knew the first, it was on the first night they were there, I knew this thing was coming through because Grains breathing was different when he went into transit. His breathing was different then. And his eyes rolled back and he was just white. I thought, oh, you know, shit, this bloody, you know, I knew it was the Guardian and all Hal Brokley's, all Hal Brokley's that night on the boat. There was six of us on the boat.
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There's three, four men and two ladies, including myself. And like I said, all hell is broken loose. There was... We managed to grab also Graham and mark him one of the lights. It got alter Graham like this, with his arms round him. And we were saying that, trying to explain to the Guardian that we...
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had been sent there by the person who'd hidden the red stone. It was a person who should have found the stone. And I said, I'm sorry, the battle had died previously. So we were sent to find it. And also, we found it and tried to do the job that we were meant to do. But I say, Martin had got old to Graham right there.
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And we said, we've been sent and said, we mean no harm. And this Graham said, or the guard said, well, why is this being holding me so tight? He spun round, he touched.
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He touched Martin on the forehead, and Martin shot back six foot and hit the back of this boat. And he was out, completely gone, completely gone. And like I say, I was bloody fine because something happened to me on the boat as well. I felt as if I'd been splitting too, you know, as if my head, this dark, this darkness inside my head.
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And there was two of me. There was me. And then there's all of me, which was this darkness. I can't really explain it to you. All I say that it wasn't nice. He wasn't nice. And he lasted about two weeks. And I thought I was going over the top. You know, I thought I was being driven into insanity at the time.
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So yeah, things happen and unless you're prepared to to withstand whatever's coming out here, you know, I will not get involved in any paranormal phenomena, you know, through paranormal phenomena, not ghosting, I'm not talking about ghosts and ghoulies, I'm talking about stuff like this, you know. I was going to say because some of these these
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battles, let's call them, quite intense. And I'd say we've kind of possession like going and taking over your bodies and you end up fighting with each other effectively. So how does it kind of affect us? So after the fact to say like you back home, you complete this part of the journey.
Personal Challenges from Paranormal Life
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How does that affect you in your day to day life, like both physically and mentally have your back to kind of
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living a normal life, so to speak. Well, before that, I would try to, I would try to arrange a feed to tread, as the saying goes. After that, I was more wary because I knew that I didn't have the knowledge, even though I thought I had at first, because I've done a lot of story on occultism and all sorts of different stuff. But I realized it was a completely different genre, you know, a completely different level, this was.
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and certainly you don't mess with things like that. And so what it did, it basically made me step back and think about what I was doing and realize that these things you don't play, you've got to be with a group that's protected, you know, because there were all the entities coming through and obviously helping is along the way. In fact, the thing that got rid of the,
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the garden eventually, something came through Graham and ousted the thing out of Graham. And it was called, well, it was a being called Prestigeon. Now, the herd of Prestigeon in the past, and he was some sort of high, a high being for want of a better word, you know, and obviously got a lot of knowledge and a lot of spiritual knowledge. But he was the one that got rid of the thing out of Graham.
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So I don't know what would have happened if he hadn't turned up. But so yeah, he makes you realize, A, you don't know a lot. A, that there's more to reality than you ever thought he was. And you've got to be extremely, extremely careful what you play about with. And he certainly turned my idea of what reality actually was. And I knew that it certainly is completely different from my understanding.
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even with all this spatial stuff I've experienced as well, you know, in the past. Just the points along the journey where you just thought, no, I can't do this anymore. I need to basically stop. No, no, because to me it was a learning curve. Because you never stop learning, especially with which I've told Mike as well, you never stop learning.
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you just expand your knowledge, but it's also to do with expanding what you are, not just as a human being, but as a spiritual being as well. And that is the true essence of it, is understand what you truly are. But you're not this, you're not this physical matter, you're something far, far greater than that. And I think that's what the me and I think also taught me as well, you know, from the other aspects that beings come again, these different entities,
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So you talked about the IFI, the greenstone, which is believed to be the Holy Grail that has been obviously passed down for centuries and centuries, well millennia. So what was the end goal? What was the whole purpose of all this? Why is this all happening?
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Yeah, that's that is the million dollar question. And that's what I spoke to grave about to about a couple of months back when we met up on one of his tours that he does on the occasion. And my own personal feeling is that we didn't complete what we were supposed to do. Maybe we weren't supposed to complete it. I don't know. But I think
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to all intents and purposes, it's got something to do with what's happening now in the world. There's some real evil going on. And my own personal opinion is that part and parcel of that from other stuff that happened within the group and the information that we were given, it's all to do with this end time stuff.
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Um, to do, to do what's going on. And even though we found a lot of stones, you've heard of the tree of life, the couple of the tree of life. Well, we found all the stones that represents every sphere in that tree of life. Plus the grail, plus the, uh, there was a grail that we discovered, um, made by a lady called, or a Celtic queen called Guevara.
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And we think all these artifacts were something to do with what is happening now. But unfortunately, the group splintered. So I don't think we actually achieved what we were meant to achieve. Whatever that was, I can only go by what I think and some of the information that we received while I was with the group. But certainly, I'm hoping there's another group out there who's doing something because we certainly need something from
00:37:42
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something more spiritual to occur, to combat what's going on at the moment. So the question was actually, is there someone carrying on your work that you know of or do you believe that someone else is carrying this on? It's all getting old.
00:38:00
Speaker
Some have died, some have passed away. I mean, I'm 73. Graham, Graham, I think, is 68. Teddy Shonders passed away. Marius passed away, who was one of the groups. Janice, oh Janice, no, Jean has passed away. So probably six of the original people from the Medallums group. So apparently there's another one down south as well, we discovered.
00:38:26
Speaker
So, yeah, we're not getting any younger, so you need somebody with a bit more, I don't know, a bit more longevity, I would think, to probably some people with not a lot of baggage. And I don't use that word, not that as baggage, because obviously you've got children and that, and you don't want things to happen to your children because of what you've been involved in. But certainly at the moment, you need people probably
00:38:57
Speaker
who might not be too bothered with things happening to them if you get involved in this and obviously they did opposing another force who I won't mention you know and so you need somebody a bit younger probably a lot younger actually to be able to do what they need to do because it costs money
00:39:17
Speaker
to do this because we were travelling all over the place, you know, and obviously when we went down to the north abroad to get the IFI, that cost money. So it's not a cheap thing to do.
00:39:30
Speaker
So did you, as a group, did you get told of what the future purpose of all of this would be? So like you mentioned about, is there another group sort of carrying it on, but was there ever a sense that this was like an ongoing journey or it stopped with you guys or that this had been going on since whenever?
Continuing the Mionia Mission?
00:39:54
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, we all understood that this would be going on for about 5,000 years.
00:39:59
Speaker
Right. They're saying that there were groups that manifested themselves and they were called the nine. It was always the number nine, because nine is quite prevalent in the occult fraternity anyway. But we were just told that, yeah, there's groups manifesting. Also, there was the nine nice temple. Well, obviously, you're rid of the nine Templars. And the court of the nine Templars was supposed to be nine, nine knights. Okay. My own personal understanding that
00:40:28
Speaker
there was two conflicting groups within the Nice Templars. There was one set who held the green stone, or the nine, and there was another set who basically wanted the stone for a darker purpose. And luckily, they didn't get the hands on his
00:40:58
Speaker
you know, the darker side. But the stone that was held by the initial nine of the Templars got passed down and it ended up in the hands of Mary Queen of Scots, who called it the me and I stone eventually. As far as the
00:41:23
Speaker
the eventuality was going on. We were told certain things, but at the moment, the group certainly didn't achieve what I think it's supposed to have achieved because we splintered in the end. As far as that, that's really all I can tell you on that.
00:41:45
Speaker
So I guess the question for me is, throughout this journey, obviously, it's taking place on kind of a psychic level, a lot of this stuff. Were you guys at physical risk of a serious injury, even death, from taking part in this? And do you know of people that have been killed during these these quests? No, there's always that chance.
00:42:16
Speaker
because of some of the things that we had to do. As I said before, as far as we understood, we were protected by the powers that be on the other side, which I personally think we were on some of the things that we did.
00:42:34
Speaker
The book, the book that I wrote is just a linear, it's just a linear trying to put all the events, not all the events, but the events that occurred that happened in the linear line. So it's all, it's all fitted together. But there are other things that occurred, which, which were sort of things, sort of like branches that from a tree, it sort of suddenly sprayed it in one direction and didn't end up anywhere. And we don't know why, you know, it's just, it's just these things happened.
00:43:03
Speaker
There's no rhyme or reason to a lot of these problems because we didn't understand it at the time, you know. These artifacts, they are the pictures of quite a few of them in the book.
Mystical Artifacts and Their Fate
00:43:17
Speaker
Where are they now? They've got the sword and these stones. The Mean Eye sword, the one originally found on the bridge,
00:43:29
Speaker
from the green stone leader, from the region of Greenstone Boot. That is in a place down south, in a museum. I'm trying to think of, there's a name of a place you can't remember, I can't think of, I'll tell you, I'll send you some info when I remember it. But it's down south. We've already sawed in the green stone,
00:43:55
Speaker
And some of the artifacts were sold by the daughter of, by again, the southerners in the book. Apparently, her and her husband decided that they'd sell the things to make him any money. You know, which is rather a silly thing to do. Well, there you go. Some disappeared. All the other stones, apart from my stone, the purple stone,
00:44:26
Speaker
The chalice lies in a pool, because I have to throw it in a pool. I know where he says. The blue stone has been hidden. The other stones, those that were held by the Shelton family were destroyed because of what happened in the last chapter of the bane.
00:44:52
Speaker
when they were psychically attacked by this entity. So they destroyed that note that was connected, that they had that was connected to the me and I group. And including the orange stone as well. Terry destroyed that because he was holding that. But basically that had been destroyed. A couple of things, a couple of stones are still extant, like say I've got mine. And the other stuff has been sold. So,
00:45:23
Speaker
I don't know. I mean, just the way the world. Oh, yeah, for sure. So these are going back to guess of the stones as well. How do you know that these are the these stones are the ones that may have been scarred? And I know that these are the right ones. OK. That's the question. But the IFI,
00:45:51
Speaker
and the me and I stone, the green one, they know the history of that. And now we'd end up in Madiquina, Scotland. The IFI though, the IFI, obviously that was an apport, you know, we opened the dimensional doorway to get that. Five of the stones
00:46:15
Speaker
which again is in one of the chapters, just appeared like flashes of light across the sky. It ended up in the pool and Teddy shot in the garden. It's like a little well. You all ended up and then the atmosphere came out. So those five I know are definitely part and parcel of the Mianaya saga. The original purple stone,
00:46:40
Speaker
that appeared in the well as well. That was destroyed by the person who basically had taken that position on the tree of life, the purple sphere. He destroyed that. And the main reason being is that he wanted aid to the group because it was, unfortunately, it was taking his toll on his mind, fear, basically, from what he'd experienced. So he destroyed a stone.
00:47:11
Speaker
The pitbullstone I've got is a replacement of that particular stone, which as far as I understand, manifested when grain was entranced. He woke up and he was in his hands.
00:47:28
Speaker
But for me to obtain that, I didn't even realise at the time that, you know, there was another purple stone. And again, he sent a book about the purple stone and what I had to do to basically to achieve it, which I didn't even realise I was doing at the time anyway. So most of the stones, as far as I understand, are all linked with the... are truly linked with the Miannae Sargate.
00:47:55
Speaker
The purple stone, I believe, is because, like I said, green was in transplant, it manifested in its hands. So there's another stone, actually, which appeared in the well at the time when the others came, and that was a diamond-shaped yellow stone. I can't remember what type of stone it was. Unfortunately, the chapel held that. He actually moved down south to Torquay, and he's since died, so I have no idea what happened to that one.
00:48:25
Speaker
The Blackstone, which again was another one that appeared in the well, disappeared. It just disappeared one night from the lady who held it. It just disappeared from her jewelry collection, for whatever reason. And I think it disappeared twice from what I understand. But yeah, that's all I can tell you about the stones.
00:48:55
Speaker
I hear that. How big a part does religion play into the whole Mianaya saga?
Mysticism over Traditional Religion
00:49:06
Speaker
I missed that. I missed that. I didn't hear it quite properly. How big of a part does religion play in the whole Mianaya saga? None. Okay. None. Because
00:49:24
Speaker
From what I understood, the me and I was more of a mystical thing. I discovered with religion, there's two parts to it. There's the stuff that you get told by the priest and by the church hierarchy. But then there's the other side, which is the mystical side, like the Christian saints. There are some saints who've achieved
00:49:53
Speaker
by a state of awareness just by following that that created their love of this being called Jesus and the Christ. But essentially. What happens in the Christian Christian mysticism and all the other types of mysticism makes it exactly the same. It's the same path that you take. It's just that if you follow that and don't listen to what they're telling you, the the the other, you know, the the actual what I call the physical religion to tell you, you won't get anywhere.
00:50:26
Speaker
And that's why I think with the me and I sort of do with the medical side of life. I was saying, I was only sort of men's snacks, obviously 9th, 10th, 9th and stuff like that. It's quite Christian. Listen, I was born in Rome, a Catholic, you know, I was an author boy. I did the catechism, you know, sang in the choir. And then irrespective of what happened to me when I was younger, you know, disaster rejection thing, I still followed that particular route.
00:50:55
Speaker
got confirmed and all that. But when I left school, when I was 15, I began to study and do my own thing and I began to realise really how people have been duped. You know, because I said to you, you know, there's the outside teaching and there's the medical teaching. You're going to follow the medical teaching, but that's where the answers lie. Or should I say, not so much the answers, but
00:51:24
Speaker
the point of how to get into where you want to be. But the certain understandings regarding what the ass we tried to tell you. Because the eight religions, just for the masses. And if I've learned anything, and I could say to people, that's basically it. Follow the mystical side of your religion. That's where the answers lie.
00:51:51
Speaker
How do you think bringing it up to some contemporary stuff, how do you think or do you know if the whole non-human intelligence that's being reported and UAPs and UFOs from the congressional hearings, is that linked to your experiences through life?
Interconnectedness of Phenomena
00:52:18
Speaker
Everything is linked.
00:52:20
Speaker
Nothing is separate, my friend. Nothing is separate. That's what I learned from from the main items as well. Nothing is separate. You're all interconnected from different, you know, matter isn't physical. Matter is just the end result of an energy able to vibrational frequencies that go into the infinitive, really, or to the idea of infinitive.
00:52:44
Speaker
And so, yeah, everything is interlinked, as Michael probably told you, anyway. Yeah. I mean, I started, listen, I went through UFOs and cryptids when I was younger, you know, I went through that and I began to realize that there's more to the UFOs than Mr. I, I began to believe they were more paranormal than the natural physical.
00:53:11
Speaker
and more inter-dimensional than probably paranormal. Because paranormal is just a word that we use to try to explain something that we know nothing about really. You know, trying to explain, put it into our sort of physical terminology, but you can't do it. And so, yeah, everything is interconnected. And if you tell the other way, they're bloody lying.
00:53:36
Speaker
Have you been, or were you and the group, I guess, met with much skepticism?
Addressing Skepticism
00:53:43
Speaker
So how much have you sort of told other people the story? Well, obviously apart from the book. There are people who don't believe it. There are people who think that, you know, it never happened. One particular member of the group who was an important member of the group told her husband that things never happened.
00:54:05
Speaker
But I can tell you this, when I was there, the things that I witnessed, bloody well happened. You know, I'm not, you know, you can't juke me in a lot of respects, because if I'm there and I witnessed this stuff, because you, especially with the eye, take for instance, and I'll tell you Robin with the eye fire, when we're on the boat,
00:54:29
Speaker
When we went to get the IFI, we came from a place called St. Benitabi because it was shaped like a bell. We had to ring this bell to try and invoke the IFI to manifest itself because we should have been there. But when we tried to park the boat, we couldn't because there was a fishing match on.
00:55:00
Speaker
And we had to go miles out of the way. And by the time we managed to moor the boat and race across the country to get to the tower, it was too late. We had to be there for a certain time. So we got back on the boat to decide what it said that we had to do. So we thought, right, we had to basically just follow our intuition to where we think we had to go. So we jumped back on the boat.
00:55:30
Speaker
and Terry was stealing this boat along one of the rivers. By the way, Graham Atley had to go and do something prior to that, then he came back and then Terry jumped back on. And then we ended up once again, a stretch of this particular river, I can't remember the name of it, the name of it now, and it was absolutely shocking it down.
00:55:57
Speaker
absolutely bathing them, the river, the swivels, you know, it was like. Well, the way that I can't describe it, my friend, honestly, it was it was awful. Then we would we would come down the river and we said we run money, you know, the psychic who's in Wales said, can you give us a hint to where this thing might be?
00:56:22
Speaker
what we might be hidden or where we have to go to. So she gives this hint what she could see psychically and so in the distance we could see this this this it's like a bank of trees like a forest. So we've got to this place and we got on the Ouija board to speak to to an entity, her name was Mary. She says are we here? She says yes you've come to the right place but you're on the wrong side and this thing I mean the river on the on the county it was incredible the way this thing was it was
00:56:52
Speaker
I won't swear, but it was absolutely bouncing it down, you know, windows are all in. So we had to turn the boat round. OK, and then we got back on the Ouija board. It's right here in the right place. And so you need to do what you need to do, which we did do. And then. Graham said, ring the bell. So there was me. Jean and
00:57:19
Speaker
a last call we called Boyd. Three of us were in the middle of the boat, ringing this bell, right? As we were on this bell, I felt this incredible presence enter into the boat. I thought, crying, what is this? And then it started, didn't it? The whirring. This dynamo all around the boat.
00:57:43
Speaker
And then Graham said, right, me and you have got to go outside. So they jumped off the boat. And all of a sudden, this incredible light. Oh, I missed a bit out. In a split second, everything went quiet. No rain, no wind. Everything was stuck on. And Terry and Graham jumped out. And then this light suddenly flooded all around the boat. It was like somebody put a
00:58:13
Speaker
like it what they call light those the well a massive and you just you just like just like if somebody switched on a like a flood light like flood light yes yes that's the word of the massive flood light but it's incredible and then I could see through a portable this orange light so the manifest getting smaller and smaller and Graham
00:58:41
Speaker
was trying to get out of this thing, and he fell on the floor, I couldn't see there. And all I could hear them was Graham going, ow, ow, ow, ow, this bloody things that he was saying. Right. And obviously, I thought he must be that when he passed through the different dimensions, obviously, he causes, you know, like a heat transfer or something. And that's why he was hot. Now that all I'm saying is that there's nothing on that day could have been planned, or
00:59:09
Speaker
or put into place by somebody else. Come to me. It was just a natural phenomenon that occurred. So people who were saying that it was all a hoax or that you ought to be there on that night when that happens, apart from some of the other nights where a lot of other stuff happens. You've got to be there to experience it. If you have never experienced it, you won't understand it. Yeah, no, fair enough. Do you miss it? Do you miss that part of your life?
00:59:40
Speaker
In some respects, yes, obviously, when you witness that type of phenomena, it's like a drug. You must know, if you're going to go something like that, you want to experience stuff. But when you experience stuff that's so far out there, you know, you want to experience more. But we were always told by the
01:00:09
Speaker
I'm going to call them the spirits, the de-entities, whatever. It's only there to teach you. It's only there for a reason, but don't treat it as if it's a religion. Don't use these artifacts as if they are some sort of magical talisman, because you're not actually seeing them for what they truly are.
01:00:39
Speaker
Yeah, no, that's totally, totally fair enough.
Transcending Physical Reality
01:00:44
Speaker
Before we put anything that you want to add, anything we've not covered that you wanted to mention for our listeners? Well, all I can say to them is
01:00:59
Speaker
If you understand that there's more to this reality than you never realize, and there's more to you as a human being, and there's something far, far greater than this physical thing that you're feeling, as long as you understand that and try to touch what you truly are, then that's really what you're here for, is to become what you truly are. And also this reality, you look through the door, through the window, and you walk through this, you look around you and take a trail.
01:01:29
Speaker
It's not, it's not real. That's all I can say to you. You have to experience it for yourself, though. Well, that's a great message. I think, I mean, for us guys, we're obviously not quite on that level of the mere mere.
01:01:55
Speaker
People listen to this, they kind of talk very well, but apart from that, he's nuts. Not at all. So, kind of close out of me and you. Me and I. At the end of the day mate, it's
01:02:24
Speaker
Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter, Ash. I'm leaving these bits in. So your book, The Corner Course of Me and Aya. Yeah. Where can our listeners find this? On Amazon. Cool, is it under me? There's also, you can get it on Kindle as well.
01:02:49
Speaker
Great. Yeah. So I'm sure you're searching for the chronicles of me and I, M-E-O-N-I-A. Is there a way to spell that? Yeah. No, thank you very much. Finally. Yeah. But it is a true story and irrespective of what some people might say. I mean, we fancy, but it will be relevant.
01:03:15
Speaker
I mean, we've spoken to many people whose accounts and experiences have been out of the ordinary and to the normal layperson listening, the stories, some fantastical and almost unbelievable. But like we've said on previous podcasts,
01:03:41
Speaker
We weren't there. We didn't experience it. So how are we in any position to say that these things didn't happen? Exactly. Exactly. And it is up to the individual themselves to attain that sort of knowledge of able to to experience that themselves. But it's up to them. You know, local didn't force you. If you did that, your life path doesn't take you along that route.
01:04:09
Speaker
all well, but obviously mine did, you know.
01:04:16
Speaker
Awesome. So that's the chronicles of me and I on Amazon. Yeah, I was question myself about to say it.
Mike's New Book on Bigfoot
01:04:27
Speaker
Yeah. And throughout the interview, you've been sat next to Mike, who is your son-in-law and a friend of ours have been on the show previously. And hey, Mike, you've got your own news recently. Do you want to plug your book that you just released? Yeah.
01:04:45
Speaker
It's good. Buy it. If you're going to tell us a bit about it. So yeah, it's Ape Men, Aping Men. It's a beginner's guide to Bigfooting and the online community that sit around Bigfoot. Ups and downs, pros and cons. It's a little bit tongue in cheek in places. It's all honest. It comes from the place of love.
01:05:15
Speaker
It's never derisory. It's aimed at beginners and veterans as well. But the main crux of the message is the importance of impartiality and the importance of understanding that what we are interpreting the evidence as is opinion. It's not fact. We don't have any conclusive evidence proof. Call it what you will.
01:05:43
Speaker
And it's so very easy to forget about that. And everyone parades things around like, we know this for certain. It's called ape men, ape men, because I don't like using the word hominid because it has a specific scientific meaning. And whilst I do believe that that's probably the most likely reason for these things, if they are real, we still don't know that for sure. So I call for the use of the word simioid, which just means like an ape. Yeah, that's basically it.
01:06:12
Speaker
Awesome. So that's Ape Men, Ape in Men, available on Amazon, as is Chronicles of Mianaya by Joe LaBosa.
Podcast Conclusion and Book Information
01:06:23
Speaker
Thank you both. Thank you, Joe. Thank you very much. This is Giuseppe Yondabu, but I have to do for a reason, but there you go.
01:06:33
Speaker
Yeah, so Chronicles of Media Naya by Giuseppe La Rosa, find that on Amazon. We also put links to the Amazon pages in the show notes and a lot of websites you can link to them by it. And it's fascinating story. I mean, like I said, when I first started reading it, I was just like, there's no way
01:06:51
Speaker
that this can be real but as you read it and you hear more of the story and the people that were involved and sort of their stories then it's the whole backstory that you can go and find out in other books and websites and stuff it's all it's all on there um so yeah make sure you pick that up and have a read and yes thank you Joe for finally getting to chance to chat to you and for I just want to say to you uh Ash's you need to speak to Graham Phillips
01:07:18
Speaker
You need to get it all to Graham or I can try and get all the brain for you because he's also written I had another book called Strange fate where he basically had another manifestation of an object and this other person who was with But yeah, that's an interesting book in itself Just to tie in with with the me and I I think You find it interesting anyway
01:07:47
Speaker
Yeah, no, definitely the whole book is fascinating. It's just, yeah, it's hard to explain. I was trying to think of an intro to this episode. I was like, I don't even know how to introduce this book. It is incredible. So yeah, so going by it. There's nothing, in my mind, and also the people I spoke to, there's nothing else like that in that particular field, apart from the books written by
01:08:13
Speaker
to do with the me and I stuff a bit before I don't mind. Well, yeah, well, I'm glad you enjoyed it anyway, my friend. Yeah, thanks. I'd say about a year ago when I finished reading it, I read parts and I've seen preparation for tonight. But yeah, thanks for coming on. It's been a pleasure chatting to you. Thank you. Thank you both. All right, folks. Cheers. Bye bye. Bye.
01:08:41
Speaker
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