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Center Stage
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Grab your pointe shoes and emotional baggage — we’re heading back to the American Ballet Academy! This week, Emma and Katie are talking Center Stage — the deliciously dramatic, dance-filled Y2K masterpiece that gave us love triangles, toe blisters, and one truly iconic final number (yes, we’re still dancing to Jamiroquai).
They break down Jody’s rebellious pirouettes, Eva’s IDGAF attitude, and Cooper Nielson’s undeniable bad-boy energy (and questionable choreography...aka motorcycles on stage??).
If you’ve ever yelled “I am the best goddamn dancer in the American Ballet Academy!” at your mirror — this one’s for you.
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Transcript
Historic Announcement & Super Bowl Speculation
00:00:02
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yeah here we are it's a morning um not to age this but um emma and katie had quite the week but also a historic announcement this week uh oh yes wow historic is strong historic is not strong about every two years it happens
00:00:29
Speaker
Is that what we're calling it? Yeah, Life for Sugar Roll. not call it TS-12.
00:00:43
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with Taylor Swift Easter eggs way more than I am. Oh, God. He is convinced that she is going to be the Super Bowl performer. he, like, broke down her interview i oh that makes sense.
00:00:56
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Yeah. Has she done it before? she's never done it before. Yeah. Um, but he broke down certain clues from her, um, her podcast with Travis Kelsey and Jason Kelsey.
00:01:11
Speaker
Uh, and he just like, when she said this, it means this. When she did this, it means this. I mean, it's so obvious. Here's the thing. Like, that sounds like something a crazy person would say, but I mean, based on her track record, like that's exactly the kind of shit that she does.
00:01:26
Speaker
Exactly. Exactly. i like i would too. If I were the most famous person in the world and had that kind of like following, like I would like drop clues and and do weird little hints and fuck with people. That's fun.
00:01:38
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If it's fun for you, like do it.
'Center Stage' Film Discussion
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Um, Yeah, Charlie, at one point, he was like, um so she talks about sourdough, right? She talks about ah doing all this stuff with bread.
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And who's the mascot for San Francisco? Where the ah where the Super Bowl is going to be? And I was like, I don't know. Mr. Bread? Is it Mr. Bread?
00:02:01
Speaker
No, it's Sourdough Sam, I think. What? I don't know. He said something like Sourdough San Francisco the san francisco is the um the forty nine er So is their mascot not a um a little miner with a but a little pick?
00:02:17
Speaker
Oh, that was like a little miner. Like child? No, a miner. Like the 49ers. Like the gold rush. Is he not like a little an old prospector? Because I feel like they he definitely should be.
00:02:29
Speaker
I mean, that's a lot more. Google this. That's a lot more creative than where my brain went, which was a giant ah four and a giant nine.
00:02:40
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He sure is. He is. he is oh my God. He's terrifying. First of all, oh he is called Sourdough Sam. He looks like a pirate. Honestly, he's wearing a Santa Claus outfit.
00:02:52
Speaker
um but he has a brown beard and a pirate hat with the san francisco on it oh no this is okay never mind he doesn't normally wear this is for christmas okay it was the first image that came up i see that one i see that yes he's uh yeah he's a he's a minor he's yeah he does he has a little pic i don't know why he's called sourdough sam but he has a sam he's a minor with a You know what all the news things are?
00:03:18
Speaker
a USA Today article just went out an hour ago. Will Taylor Swift be the next Super bowl halftime performer? Here's why fans think so. It's also in Newsweek.
00:03:30
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All right. Oh, my God. Goodness. Who cares? Yeah. She will be or someone else will be, and I probably won't watch it either way. so I will have to watch it and it will be grand.
00:03:43
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But ah Sourdough Sam, famously featured in today's film. Oh, wow. Straight to it. Three minutes in and we're straight to the movie.
00:03:54
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Well, we have got a lot to talk about here, Katie. I don't want to waste the listeners' time. By not talking about the importance of this film. um That's right, guys. You guessed it.
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This is go get Your Girl. This is the podcast where Emma and Katie get into an elite ballet program. Shockingly enough. Doesn't sound like something I do.
00:04:20
Speaker
But hey, you they saw your audition and they went her- her. We go to school and we learn about ourselves as much as we learn about dance and sometimes even more. And we make a bunch of mistakes.
00:04:33
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We sleep with the star of the ballet company that we want to join. Um, and then we maybe cling on a little too hard, even though our super hot pot of dub partner really wants to ask us on date.
00:04:44
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Um, But that's okay because we're learning about ourselves. And then we do some fabulous dances. And then we turn down Peter Gallagher, even though we don't know if we would have made it into the company.
00:04:58
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And we live our best lives. Probably um yeah i actually have no idea um that's right guys this is go get your girl i'm emma i'm today
00:05:12
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today here we are talking about center stage the 2000 movie the year so sorry i didn't phrase it that way Yeah.
00:05:23
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Directed by Nicholas Heitner. I believe Sir Nicholas Heitner. um ah He is. I think so. um i could I could be wrong. um He is an extremely famous um theater director and is the director of the. he Yes, he is Sir Nicholas Heitner. Yeah. um He is the director of the National Theater in London and has been for like 20 years.
00:05:50
Speaker
and he directed this movie that's correct yes um he um he famous it he made the movie uh the madness of king george which is his first movie which is based on a play by his friend alan bennett uh famous playwright alan bennett he also made the movie of the history boys another alan bennett play yeah and he also did the um the america the american It's obviously
Director Nicholas Heitner's Filmography
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American. um The Crucible.
00:06:17
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Yep. Movie with um but Daniel Day-Lewis. ah Yeah. Oh. and and the And he also made a rom-com called The Object of My Affection with Paul Rudd, ah which is like a gay... I've never seen it. I assume that she has a romance with somebody else, but it's about like um like a gay best friend woman kind of relationship thing.
00:06:45
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and but mostly theater like almost all of his credits are on imdb are just national theater live like fathom event kind of things from uh plays that he's directed and on the the west end and at the national theater which he is the artistic director of and um that is his main thing i love that he was the director of this Yeah.
00:07:09
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It's so strange um that lu he made this movie. ah So this is written by Carol
'Empire Records' and 'Velvet Goldmine' Comparisons
00:07:17
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Heikinen, I'm going to say. Heikinen, Heikinen.
00:07:21
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it's um And she met she this is her third screenplay and her last screenplay. She wrote a movie called The Thing Called Love about country music. empire records and then what uh empire records which i feel like we could probably cover at some point we could get it in there um empire records is one of those movies it reminds me it's like um velvet gold mine these two movies ah both two of caitlin's favorite movies by the way um that are apparently an hour was cut out of both of them
00:07:58
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And I really want to see the the long the longer version of them because I think I would like that that version so much better. i think both of those movies are okay. And Empire Records famously got an hour cut out of it and turned from an R into a PG-13.
00:08:14
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So much so that they even dubbed some of the words. Like you can, if you pay attention in Empire Records, you can see them say like mouth the word fuck and then like it's edited with like freak or something. Oh, I had no idea about this.
00:08:27
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Yeah, and there's like whole storylines cut out of Empire Records. And supposedly there's some cut of it floating around somewhere that is not available. But I think i think that movie kind of like wraps up really quickly. And maybe you know two hours and 45 minutes is a little long for a movie about a record teens trying to save a record store in the 90s. But I would watch it.
00:08:48
Speaker
I would watch it. I mean, iconic. And The Goldmine is ah goal mines the same thing, which... I think Velvet Goldmine is a better movie than Empire Records as it is, but I still think that that missing like whole act of the movie that's in there somewhere, I would think would make it a masterpiece. um I've never seen Velvet Goldmine.
00:09:09
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Oh, Velvet Goldmine's really good. It's about um David Bowie and Lou Reed and stuff, but it's like they' change all their and they couldn't get the rights to their to their likenesses or or names or anything, so they had to make up a like another story, so it's about fictional characters. but it's Oh, cool.
00:09:24
Speaker
I've heard of it, but I've never seen it. um Well, how about that? How about that? And then she did this. And then she didn't make anything else since. after She didn't make anything after this?
00:09:38
Speaker
Yeah, their her only other credit is like one of the center stage, like directed DVD sequels and it's like characters by or whatever. Yeah, yeah, no. um We pretend it's much like the Mummy 3. We pretend those don't exist.
00:09:50
Speaker
Center stage on point. Yeah, no, no, we don't, none of that. None, na na none, none, none. um Yes. What's your, what's your history with the film, Katie? you have Oh, yeah. I mean, like, I saw this movie in theaters, for sure. i would have been ah teenager.
00:10:08
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um
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And I think a bunch of us probably, like, theater kids went to go see it together because it's, you know. Yeah. Yeah. They haven't made a movie about like a bunch of theater kids trying in ah in a theater conservatory in New York right out of ah high school. But so this was the closest thing that we ah we could get. ah It's very close.
00:10:31
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It is. It strikes very true to anyone that's been in any conservatory program. Yes. yeah um Yes.
Dance Film Comparisons
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This will speak to you. It doesn't matter what the art is.
00:10:42
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Right, right, right. um ah Yeah, and the thing is about this movie, this movie is very tied to Save the Last Dance. Did they come out the same way? When did Save the Last Dance come out? I want to say Save the Last Dance was 2001.
00:10:55
Speaker
Save the Last Dance was 2001, yeah. Yeah. For me, the two of them are really tied together because Save the Last Dance has actors in it that cannot dance. And yeah the climax of that movie is one of the cringiest things anyone's ever seen.
00:11:11
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Yes. I mean, do it on the pod, so. i I guess. You have to. It's a rom-com and it was filmed in Chicago. It's sort of a rom-com. Yeah, I mean, this movie is straight up not a rom-com at all, so.
00:11:25
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It's a rom-com if you think about falling in love with your art.
00:11:31
Speaker
I mean, here's the thing. We can cover whatever we want on this show. Exactly. So it is, um I remember like thinking it was fine, you know, when we when we saw it. And I have seen it many times since then. So yeah it the good thing about this movie is they cast dancers who can't really act. So it's, you're going to have to get one or the other. There's just not enough teenagers and, you know, people in their very early twenty s who are able to be film actors who are also incredible dancers. Like there's just yeah not, there's not enough people to, to fill a whole ensemble movie with them, you know?
00:12:08
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Yeah. But surprisingly, so of the cast, this is the first of Emma's fun facts, Emma's fun facts. um Of the main characters who are dancers, five are professional ballet dancers or have had ballet training.
00:12:22
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And then, and at least two of those went on to become, um to work more as actors than dancers. So Amanda Schull, who plays our main gal, um Zoe Saldana, obviously, Ava, Ethan Steifel, who plays Cooper Nielsen, Sasha Redesky, I'm assuming that that's,
00:12:44
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um sergey sergey and julie kent um there's also one was a professional figure skater uh there were only two actors uh which was susan may pratt oh no no no sasha is charlie uh the figure skater was uh sergey oh yeah who's julie kent julie kent is kathleen ah kathleen um uh and then there susan may pratt and shashkem evans who i believe is eric yeah that's what i thought um we're the only two actors that were hired yeah uh so you can tell because it cuts away from them a lot it cuts away from they have yeah they have eric you know doesn't dance in the end because he's not a dancer his ankle
00:13:37
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And Maureen, even though she's supposed to be the best dancer in the program, they're all wait it only ever shows her like top half. yeah And then she'll like go off screen and characters will react to her. it's like, oh my God, she's amazing.
00:13:49
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She's so good. And then she also doesn't dance in the finale. Yeah, she also doesn't dance. Oh, yeah. Spoiler. But also, like I'm sure that Susan May Pratt is a perfectly fine actor. Yeah.
00:14:02
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In this movie, she's like Meryl fucking Street because it's just the contrast between her and everyone else. I know. I love Zoe Saldana. I think Zoe Saldana is great in other things, but she is yeah not good in this movie.
00:14:18
Speaker
She's very young. she's This was her film debut. This was one of the first things she did. It was 25 years ago. She must have been like 19 or something. How old is she? Yeah.
00:14:30
Speaker
Oh my god, Zoe Saldana is almost 50. No, she's not. Yes, she is. She's 47. God, when you have money. Yeah, so she was 22 in this, I guess, yeah. and yeah this is one of the first things that she did. um And Amanda Scholl went on to do like bits of TV stuff. like She was on Psych. She had like a storyline on Psych.
00:14:54
Speaker
She was in Pretty Little Liars. Oh, yeah. What's her name? Her dad's ex-girlfriend on Little Liars. I mean, I don't know. I haven't seen Pretty Little Liars. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
00:15:05
Speaker
Uh-huh. I'm told. i looked it up. I don't remember her. Allegedly. Yeah. um terrible TV show pretty little liars by the way just awful things where you're like oh my god this is awful next episode yes please I mean I had to stop I tried I tried watching it but it was the whole teacher storyline I was just like I can't I can't I cannot oh where the teacher has sex with the high schooler yeah yeah where the teacher is just like oh we shouldn't be together I'm your teacher in high school it's so forbidden
00:15:41
Speaker
Yeah, it's very Dawson's Creek. It's not it's not necessari my good. yeah It's real bad. um What's my history with the movie? Oh my god, thank you so much for asking, Katie. Sorry.
00:15:54
Speaker
ah This is one of Emma's favorite fucking movies of all time. um If I were caught stuck, if I had got stopped on a red carpet by Letterboxd and they were like, give me your four faves.
00:16:06
Speaker
It would this, the 1999 The Mummy, and then like two other filler ones. Maybe Singing in the Rain. I don't know is Something to like sound smart. You need one more, Emma. that's There's four. Yeah, Singing it in the Rain. And then, i don't know, ah The Favourite.
00:16:22
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ah Okay. You need something to like, wait, is your name Emily Pizza on Letterboxd? Yeah, that's not my four favorites on there. i can tell you what my four favorites are. I think it's Center Stage, but i can't find you The Mummy, Fresh, and Practical Magic?
00:16:39
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No, it's, Center Stage isn't on there. It's The Mummy, Fresh, Practical Magic, and Notting Hill. Ugh. Ugh, Emma. You haven't updated in a long time either. haven't posted anything since March.
00:16:52
Speaker
Yeah, I know. I got tired of thinking of funny reviews because that's how i utilized my letterbox. You know, you don't have to be funny. Yeah, but I want to be funny. My reviews are mostly not funny.
00:17:03
Speaker
My reviews are mostly talking about the actors that I find hot. yeah Ah. Well, let me tell you a little bit more about my history with this movie, Katie. Oh, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry to derail us. Please continue. It's.
00:17:16
Speaker
It is a part of my core history and a part of my makeup. um I first saw this movie when I was a tween living in Connecticut and um going through the awkward stages of puberty.
00:17:30
Speaker
And I had a little bh s TV show. in my room that I would watch movies on. And I basically watched this, 1999 The Mummy, and You've Got Mail on repeat.
00:17:44
Speaker
And those three films helped raise me. On VHS? On VHS. Wow, okay. um And I um They It is a core part of my being I know every single line in this movie I love it so fucking much I own it on DVD So um when it wasn't streaming anywhere for free I was like don't worry Charlie don't worry I've got the DVD Yeah Charlie sent me a text message last night in the DVD menu And says we're going old school Yeah it's very of the time.
00:18:16
Speaker
um It's like just... I love DVDs. i love DVDs. Every movie for this show, if I have it on DVD, I'll i'll watch it on that. i might i prefer I love physical media. I prefer to watch it on there because then there's like, you know special features and like... Yeah.
00:18:31
Speaker
I just... I almost... Yeah. I was like, can we watch it on the camera? I can't tell.
Emma's Personal Connection to 'Center Stage'
00:18:37
Speaker
ah Well, it you could definitely tell that it was 2000. 2000. um two thousand when watching well sure yeah like i remember i remember watching it when it first came out and being like this feels like a normal like of the time movie because it was and now watching i'm like wow this feels so period ah well it is it was 25 years ago i know it's so bonkers yeah oh my god um but yeah so this movie
00:19:13
Speaker
um I developed an entire personality around this movie. It got me back into ballet dancing. um And I wasn't good.
00:19:23
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But um it also is a great film to watch when going through any conservatory program or like when I did the school at Steppenwolf. It felt very true. um And there's just a lot in here that like as we were watching it, i was like, like what um Donna...
00:19:42
Speaker
Donna Murphy? Mm-hmm. Donna Murphy. What Donna Murphy says to Zoe Saldana when she's like, i you know, you may blame everyone else externally, like, um because directors can be sort of like very...
00:19:59
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They can be assholes. And the not smart dancers say like, oh, well, he was mean to me. ah He was rude to me. I deserve this part. I deserve that part.
00:20:10
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But the smart dancers don't find it there. They don't find it in the blaming of other people. They find it here. And she gestures to the ballet bar. It's here.
00:20:22
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In the art.
Ballet School Dynamics
00:20:23
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They use it.
00:20:30
Speaker
Um, yeah, yeah. I love this movie. Which, uh, which we're getting ahead of ourselves, but, um, there's, cause mean, we got a whole, we got to talk about Zoe Saldana's whole character because she's so obnoxious.
00:20:45
Speaker
Um, but we'll get there. um a so this is this is a very ensemble-y kind of movie everybody has a storyline we suppose that jody is kind of the main character we do spend a little bit more time with her than the others but honestly like eva and maureen have hefty b b plots oh not just it is like much more so than usual you know um supporting actors in ah in a movie any he all three of them have like major plot lines in this oh for sure yeah um so yeah we had we showed the auditions we showed them getting in and then we meet them in the dorm now you texted me last night about charlie getting wrapped around the axle on this and i gotta say so confused i don't understand how this school works because
00:21:37
Speaker
Okay. it Well, it doesn't make sense because some of them are there for years. Maureen has been there for years. yeah Sergei has been there for years. Yep. Yeah, Emily has been there for years.
00:21:47
Speaker
And then Eva and Jodi are joining and they're they're done at the end of this year. They're only there for this year.
00:21:58
Speaker
Okay. Let me break it down for you. Okay. So... This is very similar to sort of like the Joffrey in Chicago.
00:22:09
Speaker
You can take- Or in New York where they shot this. Or in New York or the American Ballet Theater, which is what No, they shot this at the Joffrey in New York is what I'm saying. Oh, at the Joffrey in New York? Oh. At the Joffrey School in New York. I mean, it's about ABT, the American but Ballet Theater, even though they call it, what, ABC, and the American Ballet Company or something, whatever they call it. Yeah. yeah um But yeah, they shot it at the Joffrey School in New York.
00:22:32
Speaker
Ah, okay. Well, similarly with the Joffrey, it is a very prestigious dance school. You can audition and you can take class from when, like, you see the kids walking around.
00:22:45
Speaker
You can take class from when you're very young all the way up to semi-professional. And so my theory and what I have always been led to believe ah is that Maureen and Sergey and Emily and Anna and and ah all have been in the city since they were at least 14 in Sergeys because we get a timeline for Sergey and have been taking class at the prestigious ballet academy and then you have to audition to get into this specialty program they call them the advanced students yes
00:23:26
Speaker
They don't just take people from their school. They audition across the country. And it is a semi-professional program that can filter you into the company. Okay. So everybody is only in the advanced program for one year.
00:23:40
Speaker
And the others that have been there years past were in like the the kids program. That makes sense. I feel like Align could have fixed that for everybody. But, you know, bra it maybe got edited out.
00:23:52
Speaker
um I just, if you're in dance, you know these things. Oh, are we in dance? I was. was the best goddamn dancer in the American ballet class.
00:24:06
Speaker
Who the hell are you? Yeah. um ah But, ah but yeah, so like, that's how it's, I've always sort of viewed it. And like, I've seen, or like, danced at the companies as a kid that had programs that were similar to that, not as prestigious.
00:24:24
Speaker
But um I think that, at least those four have been in the city and um have been taking classes and you get to take classes with the same people that teach you in the advanced program, which is like, yeah, they have a little bit of a leg up.
00:24:43
Speaker
um But yeah, the people who can afford to take ah classes as children have a leg up to get professional to get into a professional conservatory. I'm shocked yeah to hear something like that. Yeah, I know.
00:24:54
Speaker
i know. ah well So how long did you dad works there um i dance? danced as a child and then um i did Ballet, modern, jazz, tap Ballet and jazz tap for briefly and then I would take sabbaticals because I was like am I theater girly? Am I a dance girly? so very badly wanted to be a dance girly but I did not the body type to be a dance girly
00:25:25
Speaker
um which was a whole B plot of my life. um And ah I quit and then got obsessed with this movie, got back into ballet class at age 12.
00:25:40
Speaker
ah took it all through high school. It was my off-campus PE. um Again, I was not very good, um but I liked it. And I think I quit when I was ah junior or senior.
00:25:57
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um But yeah, ah i
00:26:04
Speaker
Got to point. I was, again, not very good. I ah went to several different schools. The first one that I went to when I was in Houston, they wouldn't advance me and this other girl because we were the only two not size zeros.
00:26:18
Speaker
um So we were, it was fat phobic. They said that we weren't. And so like, that gets carried around with you. um But yeah. And then I decided that I wanted to do theater.
00:26:32
Speaker
ah more than dancing because I was better at musical theater than I was at that life. and Sure. um Anyone who knows me in real life will know that I certainly never danced.
00:26:45
Speaker
ah but I did have to take two semesters of dance in college, however. um Even though I was a directing major, which I actually think is really good idea. And I'm glad that I took them. And I think that it should be a requirement for directors to take two semesters of dance.
00:27:02
Speaker
Yeah. It was a bit embarrassing. ah But I think that the stuff that you that you learned, because I mean, like, you know, you're also learning a little bit of choreography. You're learning you're based the basic, like, language of ballet. You're learning, like, because it's important. Which helpful.
00:27:20
Speaker
To, like, see the stage in yeah in a way. um And to be able to have a vocabulary like that. Oh, totally. I have very good turnouts.
00:27:32
Speaker
And that is the only thing that is the only thing that I'm good at in terms of, of dancing. So you have a leg up over Jodi who has a bad turnout. Which is so stupid. Like, no, she doesn't.
00:27:44
Speaker
Bad turnout. And she's got bad feet. I mean, there was a moment when she was fluttering across the surface and she was working her ass off in that little montage. Charlie goes, how the fuck did she get in this school?
00:27:56
Speaker
Cause that's the thing. Like, I mean, she's a professional dancer. She was in the San Francisco ballet when she got cast in this movie. Yep. um She is, you know, I'm sure she's the best ah female dancer in the movie.
00:28:11
Speaker
um And they show that because they show all those like full body shots, which like is something that you can't do if you don't hire dancers. And that's like the climax of of this movie. um I don't think she has bad turnout or bad feet. I think that she's a very good professional dancer. And then they have to like pretend for most of the movie that she has these these problems. That she's bad.
00:28:33
Speaker
And yeah that she's just like really not good. And she just like, it's from the hips, Jodi. From the hips. You've got to work like with what you've got and turn out.
00:28:46
Speaker
yeah it um Yeah. So it is one of those things where it's like, yeah, why is she here? um Speaking of why is she here, Zoe Saldana for acting like Maureen is a bitch. So here's a whole thing. Like, I'm a Maureen defender. like Okay.
00:29:02
Speaker
Okay. Maureen has, like, one scene where she's kind of bitchy, and that's with her mom. But I think that's the way her mom has trained her, you know? mean, That's what they talk about.
00:29:13
Speaker
She's real mean to all the girls. No, she's not. but She's not that mean. You know who's mean? Fucking Eva. Zoe Saldana is the bitch in this movie. Like, first thing, now here's why Zoe Saldana hates Maureen. Because they get to the dorm room. Zoe Saldana is smoking a cigarette inside their dorm room. And Maureen says, hey, could you go outside? And Zoe Saldana is like, you fucking cunt.
00:29:36
Speaker
Like, I can't believe someone would speak to me this way. And it's like, for the rest of the movie, it's like, she's such a bitch. She wouldn't didn't want you to smoke in your dorm room? Jesus.
00:29:48
Speaker
I think there's also just like this undercurrent of like she she acts like she's better than, she's the golden child of the theater, of the company. You know who acts like she's better than everybody? Eva in this movie. I can't stand her.
00:30:02
Speaker
I cannot. She's got a lot to learn. She's got to get over herself. Yeah. um And you know what happens by the end? She does. We'll see, won't we? We'll see. She's still kind of she's still kind of a dick to ah to Peter Gallagher in that last scene.
00:30:20
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Yes! um That's just her personality She's just She doesn't wear the proper outfit to class She's and when she's corrected She's a bitch to the teacher Like absolutely would not Fly in any sort of conservatory Program like you just don't You're like and they they call her out on It's like you're wasting everybody's time By doing this you're making this class about you It's not about like Militaristic respect For the teacher it's about respect for Everybody else Like, yeah, by doing this, you are centering
Character Development in 'Center Stage'
00:30:54
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yourself.
00:30:55
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You are saying that you think that you're too good to be here and to follow the rules and to be like everybody else. I mean, she gets gone out on Yeah, but she doesn't change.
00:31:07
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She does change. you not see her by the A little bit. at the At the end, she has the she has a little bit with Donna Murphy where she's she's starting to to show a little bit of of um humility of respect and humility. Yeah, because that's the thing. That's the thing that I hate more than anything in in actors. like as ah As a you know director for most of my my my life, like That is the person who is going to ruin your show.
00:31:35
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It doesn't matter how good they are. If someone thinks that they're too good to be there, and I've had many people like this in casts of of plays and stuff many times, if they think they're too good to be there, if they make it about themselves, they're going to ruin the play yeah every time.
00:31:54
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yeah And that is someone you can't afford to let act like that. Yeah. But I mean, to be fair, it is still a school and they um obviously thought she... I mean, she's supposed to be an amazing dancer.
00:32:06
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and um I think that, like, you have this sort of mentality of, like, see if we can sort of mold the obnoxious and selfishness out of this person.
00:32:21
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For sure. don't want to say break them, but, like... Make them learn. have to have them show respect for their other, theyre the other people in the class.
00:32:32
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Because yeah it is a class. Everyone is paying to be there. Everyone deserves to be there. And if you are making the class about yourself, then you are wasting everybody's time.
00:32:43
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Yes. Yes. But she has to learn that. I had a problem with her. um She does have to learn that. And we'll see if she does. yeah Or we won't, because the movie's over. And...
00:32:55
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She learns it. And like Maureen, Maureen's got to learn to like her, make her personality, not just ballet dancer. She's got to have other personality. She doesn't want to be there. Her mother pushed her into it.
00:33:08
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You know, like her mom presumably got the job there so she could get her in to the class. Exactly. Right, Thomas?
00:33:20
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um yeah this is so maureen is played by susan may pratt who is in 10 things i hate about you and drive me crazy yep which we've watched oh we haven't done 10 things i hate about you we've only haven't done 10 things i hate about you drive me crazy yeah where she was the villain in drive me crazy um and uh in 10 things that 10 things i hate about you she's um the sidekick character Yeah, yeah. She's not she's not a bad a bad guy. No, no, no. She's just the super lovesick girl who's obsessed with Shakespeare because we gotta remind everyone that this is based on Shakespeare.
00:33:53
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this is she's not She's not the bad guy in this movie either. She's kind of framed that way for the first like 10 minutes and then afterward it you realize that it's not I mean, again, like anyone that's done any conservatory program, like these are these are stereotypes of people that you in any acting class intensive, like you meet these people.
00:34:15
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Every single time you take any sort of semi-professional class for the arts, like there's someone who thinks that they're better than everyone who is ah in two ways, either they're overcompensating because they're nervous and scared, i.e.
00:34:30
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Ava. I believe. um And so they're overcompensating with attitude and um pretending like they don't need this and they don't need to be there.
00:34:43
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Or they're the golden child and they're better than everyone else because they know that they're the best of the best, even if their heart's not in it. Yeah. But like Maureen doesn't tell anybody that she's the best. Everybody else says that she's the best. Yeah.
00:34:59
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I mean, they make a several, we don't see every conversation. That's true. there's enough alluding like between the conversation with her mom to like make it clear that she obviously has had this conversation probably with Anna.
00:35:18
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i don't know about Emily because Emily, she starts to really be like fat shame Emily. Poor Emily. Emily did not deserve that.
00:35:28
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They talk about Emily like she's a fucking whale or something. It's awful. And she's the exact same size as all the other dancers. Yeah, exactly. She just has a rounder face.
00:35:42
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But it's like, that is accurate. like that's yeah did So like you can't make a ballet movie without some of that. you know it would be It would be disingenuous not to. Exactly. man So yeah, they're like, Emily is really packing on the pounds. It's like, she...
00:35:57
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One of the lines that like has always stuck with me is her pot of dirt partner is going to need a crane to lift her. Yes. That is crazy.
00:36:08
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She probably weighs 110 pounds. Exactly. Exactly. exactly exactly ah ridiculous and then every single time she's just like every time they mention her she's eating something so like it's just like hi emily and it's in the cafeteria and she's eating as she's walking and then they're where nobody else is eating at all right where nobody else is eating at all because it's the cafeteria at a ballet theater um and uh and then when we're at the gala and we're leaving and we meet um hottie mchotpants doctor man um who's working as a cater waiter jim gordon
00:36:43
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jim gordon uh which is batman's friend right that's gordon is it is it i think it's jim gordon yeah gordon gordon is the i don't know if it's jim think it is did you say that's batman's friend do you mean oh no i was i was thinking of the butler yes yes jim gordon commissioner jim gordon is the commissioner of the Gotham City Police Department and Batman's friend.
00:37:12
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They named him Jim Gordon? Yeah, they did. But... Anyways, maybe they didn't know. Uh...
00:37:24
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ah Yeah, who knows? Who knows? um But yeah, so whenever they're meeting Hottie McHotpants pre-med Columbia, Jim Gordon Jim Gordon He has a tray of fruit tarts and offers them and Emily's the only one that takes them and Maureen immediately calls her out and goes, they're practically all fat, Emily and I remember as a child being like, but fruit They're fruit. They're practically all sugar. Come on. Yes.
00:38:00
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Oh, man. But ah Jim Corden has eyes for Maureen. Yeah. Not even hot pants. um I mean, she is beautiful. Like, let's yeah be real. Yeah. And...
00:38:12
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she doesn't have time for boys like like ballet is the only important thing in her and this is when she starts to loosen up like yeah this her plot arc in this movie is like learning how to have a life because her mother is just a horrible person her mother is a stage mom is her mom's deborah monk i'm pretty sure i knew she looked familiar and don't know who deborah monk is she's a broadway actress Oh yeah, it is her. Yeah. She was in Curtains and Steel Pier and Picnic in 94.
00:38:45
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Pump Boys and Dinette. Oh, she wrote Pump Boys and Dinettes. Yeah. And she won a Tony for Redwood Curtain, which I've never heard of. Oh, and she's in the Gilded Age.
00:38:56
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There you go. I've never seen the Gilded Age. It's so good. But you don't like costume dramas. I do like Carrie Coon, though. Yeah, they're great. It's not that I don't like costumes. It's not that I don't like historical things. I don't like, like, it's specifically like period romance.
00:39:13
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Okay. Because like the kind of, the kind the kind of like, because again, like I like Jane Austen. Yeah. Yeah. Which are, you know, sort of romances, but more like comedy of manners. And it's the whole thing about like, I don't know, I just find it hard to reconcile my, you know, hatred of um aristocracy and um specifically like royalty and that kind of thing with wanting these characters to to to be happy and love together. You know what i mean? Yeah, that's fair.
00:39:49
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So that's part of it. I mean, Gilded Age is ah is not um that. so No. I would probably like that. Yeah. i need I'm behind. I need to catch up. um But it's great.
00:40:03
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Yeah, Debra Monk's her mom, who's a stage mom, and she just wants Maureen to be the dancer that she could never be. She's living vicariously through her daughter.
00:40:15
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Yeah. And um yeah, so but she the the other girls encourage her and she like um Jim starts calling the school because they um Emily gave ah gave him her last name.
00:40:29
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Yeah. And it's so great because he like harasses her into a date.
00:40:37
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ah Yeah, and she agrees to go on a date with him and like they go bowling ah with his friends, which is very cute. And um meanwhile, the other kids are going salsa dancing.
00:40:49
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Yes, because here's the thing. While Jodi got into the school, she's just not hacking it. And she's had several like one on ones with teacher with like Peter Gallagher and Donna Murphy to be like, are you sure this is what you want to do? Like if you can quit now, like you can still go to college and get a degree.
00:41:09
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have plenty of other options. And she's like, wait, what? And they're like, you just you. you're working really hard, but we're not seeing any progress. And, um, and so she's really torn up and upset about it.
00:41:21
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And then, um, and so the, so they go salsa dancing because she's really depressed. And Zoe Saldana is like, you know what? Enough of this nonsense. All we ever do here is take class. Let's go have some fun.
00:41:33
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And so the boys, which are Eric and, um, Charlie, and sergey who are the boys that they are friends with and all ironically are partners with in their pas de deux class right and uh eric is the only gay ah man in this ballet class strangely seems insane But also is.
00:42:00
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It's pretty rough, though. His first line is my name is Eric, ah whatever his last name is. Eric O. Jones. But I go by Eric O. Jones after Oprah because she's my idol. was like, OK, we get it.
00:42:14
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Settle down. get it. You're gay. Which is somehow both racist and gay. I don't know. Like yeah it's not good. Yeah. And then as soon as Charlie comes in, he goes, um i that's Ava. That's Jodi. I'm Eric. And you're cute.
00:42:31
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which Oh my God.
00:42:35
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i believe one of his other lines is um i started doing ballet because it had nothing to do with the people um give me tiaras and tutus any day yeah i could quote this movie for days katie um it's uh yeah it's it's very um it's very sensitive and subtle yep yep yep very sensitive very subtle
00:43:01
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ah And then, ah so yeah, so they go salsa dancing and um Charlie and Jodi are out on the dance floor dancing and she's like, why can't all dancing be fun like this? And Charlie's like, it is fun like this.
00:43:14
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All dancing is this fun. And she goes, maybe for you And then they start dancing and nothing that they do, nor Ava and Eric do is salsa dancing, even though Ava and Eric go out and they go, you call that salsa?
00:43:27
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We'll show you salsa. And then they just start shimmying.
00:43:32
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And I'm like, none of this is salsa. Well, they're ballet dancers. They probably never took a salsa class. like
00:43:41
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I guess. um Oh, and then, oh, we haven't even mentioned Cooper Nielsen. So there's this whole- Yeah, we should talk about Cooper. ah Cooper. The problem with Cooper. um piece of shit right so we also have like our D plot which is Peter Gallagher a famous ballet dancer I'm assuming because she looks like a real ballet dancer and Cooper Nielsen Kathleen yeah she is a ballet dancer yeah yeah also the the the only scene between Cooper and Kathleen is like
00:44:13
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Seems like from another movie. It's like, oh, God. Neither of these people are actors. Right? Whoa, buddy. there um But boy, is her dancing view.
00:44:24
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And his, too. Ow, ow. Stop it. Sorry, I'm being harassed. What? What do you want?
00:44:34
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Sorry. Producer Thomas demands attention. It's Roland. He likes to come up sometimes and just bite. consistently um but yeah so so uh so we've got cooper nielsen who is the best dancer in the actual ballet company and then we get peter gallagher in real life was the it was the the the star of the new york city ballet like oh he was the
00:45:06
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yeah um nice um what is his name i've already forgotten um ah but he is yeah he was for years uh for like 12 years he was the the lead man male of the new york city ballet and now ethan stifle yeah he at one point he left and became the artistic director of the new zealand ballet i'm not sure what he's doing now now Well, he's done a bunch of ballet things.
00:45:35
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i He's choreographed Flesh and Bone, which was a um TV show for stars. He has a pretty rough mustache also now ah He was also in Center Stage on Point and Center Stage Turn It Up.
00:45:49
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Okay. He was the artistic director of the Royal New Zealand Ballet from 2011 to So it's been a while. yeah man His wife is Gillian Murphy, also a principal with ABT. He's married to Gillian Murphy?
00:46:07
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yeah She's fabulous. I love Gillian Murphy. um After 29 years with ABT, Murphy took her final bow ah in Swan Lake on Friday, July 18th, 2025.
00:46:22
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and yeah She's a fantastic dancer. Her and Misty Copeland are my two babes. um even steve stiefel is how you say it stiefel yeah it's german for boot ah ethan boot so in november 2020 stiefel took over the new jersey-based uh uh american repertory ballet and is the artistic director there oh nice so life sort of imitates art or yeah yeah
00:46:55
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He was the dean of the School of Dance at at North Carolina School of the Arts. Oh. Huh. I wonder how those students felt knowing that Cooper Nielsen was running their program.
00:47:08
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I think he's probably not exactly like the character. I really wanted to go to North Carolina School the Arts for a while. I and i never yeah ended up auditioning, but um that was that was what I wanted to do for a long time. You could have met Cooper Nielsen?
00:47:21
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Well, I probably wouldn't have been in the School of Dance, but... you would have been there bi on the same ground okay so cooper is a piece of shit um well he's the best dancer who was dating the bet the best female dancer and um then she broke up with him after a few years and started dating the artistic director played by peter gallagher and then they got married
00:47:52
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And so, right. And so Cooper's upset and butthurt that lost out on his girlfriend to the head of the company. He went to London for a year and he just got back.
00:48:06
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Yeah. And he just got back and they heard that he hasn't talked to anybody except Jody says, well, he talked to me and everyone's like, what? And she's like, yeah, he, you know, he offered to help me with my bag and everyone's like, what?
00:48:21
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From his motorcycle. Yeah, on his motorcycle. You know he's a bad boy.
00:48:27
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he sucks so much. um Yeah, so he's, you know, fucking his way through the 18-year-olds at the ballet school, which we assume he does every year. Exactly.
00:48:38
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But um he has put his sights on Jodie as his... Jodie is so young and naive and... um I like to think that she's from somewhere like Ohio or Indiana, somewhere in the Midwest.
00:48:53
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I think she is from Indiana. Don't they say you can, her parents at the beginning say you can always go to Indiana. They have a dance program at Indiana.
00:49:02
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I thought they were just naming a school. um Oh, could be. Yeah. Yeah. But him I digress. And ah she just doesn't understand what hookup culture is.
00:49:14
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And she thinks if you bang once, you're dating. mean, do we think that she lost her virginity to him? like I think that she did. um pretty sure. doesn't say that, but it's definitely implied. Yeah. yeah Her facial expressions after they do it, it's a lot more like...
00:49:34
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like weighted than someone hooking up. yeah um I'm pretty sure but she lost her virginity to Cooper Nielsen. We should say she is, ah she gets another come to Jesus meeting with um Peter Gallagher. And so she decides she needs to go take a dance class in the city. She's like, she, they ask, she has, are there any classes that are available? And she's like, what are you looking for? She has anything but ballet.
00:49:59
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So she takes like a modern slash hip hop class. It's jazz. Whatever. ah It's a jazz class. and Well, it's not ballet.
00:50:10
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um ah And the music's not jazz. so Well, they don't play jazz music in jazz dance class. Have you never a class? Well, it called then, Emma? No, I've never taken a jazz class.
00:50:21
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I mean, I'm sure we took jazz in in the two semesters of dance I had in college. That's the only experience I have with dance. you You dance to, like, modern music. Okay, okay. yeah um oh sure sure yeah yeah and really contract it's um ah yeah so it's a jazz class sorry and cooper is there because of course he is of course he is because cooper breaks all the rules um ah and he like talks to her after class and he's like why don't we go for a ride on my bike yeah
00:50:59
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and then terrible apartment she goes home with him because of course she does because she's knowing better yeah and then she thinks they're dating and the next day she like brings him cookies in a box and like in front of other people is yeah it's so cringy it's dessert i'm like oh next time and he's like oh yeah oh god oh god it's so embarrassing Right? And then she like goes backstage to see him perform in like whatever the company is doing, which is a Stars and Stripes, Balanchine number, and which is really cool.
00:51:37
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but um But she goes and watches it from the wings, and he's like, what are you doing here? And she's like, oh, I just i thought I'd surprise you. And um he gets made fun of by his ex, and she goes, ah she is a heartbeat away from tattooing your name on her ass.
00:51:52
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And we should also say at the same time, this entire year program leads up to the student workshop at the end, which is performed on the Lincoln Center stage for every single, like all big wigs in um ballet company, artistic directors and stuff. Yeah.
00:52:16
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They go to like, it's a showcase. It's a showcase. yeah And ah so you have to, in order to get seen, you need a good part to get seen. Otherwise, you're not going to get a job when you finish this program.
00:52:29
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And your dance career
Showcase Preparations & Performances
00:52:31
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is over. And ah Cooper has been asked to choreograph because he wants to choreograph and your gal is like, I'm not going to let you just choreograph something for the main stage when I've never seen your work before. That's insane.
00:52:45
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You can do something for the student workshop and then we'll reevaluate. And he goes, you're you're intimidated by me. You're threatened by me. And Peter's like, why? No, this is just. He's like, I won. i got the girl. i'm not intimidated by you.
00:52:58
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Exactly. You're being weird. So um Cooper is one of the the choreographers for one of the showcase pieces. And the cast list goes up, which is like one of the most realist scenes ever.
00:53:12
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Oh, God. Yeah. I love when the cast list goes up. Like, ah so perfect. So perfect. Have you ever seen the SNL sketch that they did when Will Ferrell was there any he plays um a theater teacher and it's the cast list and he does it so dramatically and he's just like, um yeah, he's just like, someone who thinks that they're going to have ah yet another lead role is going to be in the chorus.
00:53:40
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No, I haven't seen that, but I... I can inconstruct it in my mind. Yeah. um I love like what theater teachers are doing now, which we did not do in my high school, but they're on, I see them on Instagram sometimes where it's like, Oh yeah.
00:53:53
Speaker
They have the, like, what will the spring musical be? And there's like a bunch of posters on the door and every day they take one down. love that shit. That would have been so fun. We did not do that. Right.
00:54:05
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It also like builds excitement for the show, you know, and it really gets kids excited. Yeah. Um, i um I probably should have been a high school theater teacher. I would enjoy doing that.
00:54:18
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Yeah. Yeah. There's still time, Katie. No.
00:54:26
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You can run your theater program like Cooper Nielsen. Why would I do that? No, that was just the first name that came out of my mouth. I couldn't remember Peter Gallagher's character's name.
00:54:37
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Jonathan. Like Jonathan. He's a much better AD. He also slept with one of his students, Emma. Like, what are you talking about? But he doesn't, like, parade it around except for just having a romantic dance at the middle of the gala.
00:54:54
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Also, Cooper comes up to Kathleen and kisses her on the neck in front of another person at the gala. Like, fuck? but It's so weird. And then, well, that prompts her to, like, take him...
00:55:06
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uh away from everything which is the conversation that all the people here are that um emily eric charlie and jody here which is she's like for fuck's sake dude like i'm still happily married and he goes well then if you're so happily married why we dance and kiss better than we ever have and she goes that's fucking acting dude that's our job which is not what we're doing now in this scene exactly
00:55:31
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in this scene as we're shouting lines at each other um and of course Cooper cast Jodi in his workshop autobiographical ballet yeah Oh my God.
00:55:46
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inappropriate. We're like autobiographical for her, not for him. It's so weird. like It's like kind of him, kind of her. Because the whole idea is that it's the artistic director of a theater company and the hot like bad boy dancer.
00:56:01
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And then the amazing ingenue. And and like he thinks he's just telling his story through dance. But really, it's not what happened in any way, shape, or form. And insane.
00:56:13
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Yeah, it's it's i it's strangely self-aware of how much of a douche he is for something that he put together, you know? Yep. But I don't know, that's that's what happens sometimes when you write something. You're like, oh, this is about something else. Exactly. It just happens.
00:56:27
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Yeah, and then it a very female, like, you go girl at the end. Yeah. Yeah. Weird. love it, though. And, like, that's why she chooses him. It's like, all right well, this guy seems to be pretty self-aware. Maybe I should join his company.
00:56:42
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Well, and also she gets an offer to start as a principal, which is a big deal. Yeah, know. So um I'm like, Zoe Saldana should have had a better attitude. Maybe she would have got cast.
00:56:54
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um I mean, she's very self-aware, and she admits that at the end. That's true. and so she's And she's like, I don't care. And Erica's like, I know you don't. it must suck doesn't not caring yeah yeah um sergey and maureen are in jonathan's ballet workshop uh and but but ava zoe saldana only got cast in the core of that one so yeah so she's never gonna no one's gonna see her and she's never gonna get a job i wrote and zoe is still being a bitch um
00:57:25
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Cooper's making a ballet about him and Kathleen. i There's a drummer instead of a piano. He's so cool. He's so cool. oh yeah. And he's also bribing. There's this like old, not old, but she's like a middle-aged woman whose husband just died and left her $20 million. dollars And Jonathan is like, Hey Cooper, I should introduce you. And he goes, what now? Why does that feel wrong? And he goes, well, you know, it's just, it's good for the company.
00:57:50
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Because he's trying to like, because she's Cooper Nielsen's biggest fan. So Cooper takes it as an opportunity to find an investor for his own theater company. There's so many working parts in this movie.
00:58:03
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so it's a complex screenplay. um ah So then it's Eric's birthday and they convince Maureen to go with them. yeah get into a limo and they go to Liberty Island, just like everybody wants to go on their birthday. First they take a limousine through Times Square.
00:58:20
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And then they go to Liberty Island. That's a long drive in a limousine, I gotta tell you. Yeah. Well, they're doing the New York experience, baby. yeah. yeah um um ah And ah Charlie asks Jodi out, um yeah but she says she's seeing someone because she thinks she's dating Cooper and she's not.
00:58:41
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And then Jim hears Maureen throwing up. Oh, yeah. Maureen is bulimic. We didn't bring that up. Well, she starts becoming bulimic because she eats pizza and beer when she goes bowling. do we Do we know that for sure, that she only started doing it then? had she always been doing it?
00:58:56
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yeah I mean, they would have probably shown it before. Making yourself throw up is is is ah is an acquired skill. like It's not something that you just kind of like... True, but the way that that it's shot and the way that it's filmed, she's not touching her pizza because she's been raised to only eat vegetables sheables yeah good things. And then she rebels.
00:59:18
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She... eats the pizza she drinks the beer and the ice cream. And, um, then she's like, Oh, I'm such a fat ass.
00:59:28
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I got to go home and go into this group, um, this dorm bathroom and make myself throw up. Hope nobody's in there. Um, and then she just keeps doing it because she wants to have her cake and eat it too. It's sort of like a plan. Like she wants to,
00:59:44
Speaker
be the best ballerina, but also have a life. And like, she can't really, her compromise for that is bulimia. Yeah. Yeah. um Which is, again, certainly something that happens in ballet schools.
00:59:56
Speaker
Absolutely. So, but Jim hears her throwing up on the on the ferry and yeah she's like, oh i was just seasick. Yeah. um Which is reasonable. Yes, exactly.
01:00:07
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Yeah. But then she gets sloppy with her bulimia. yeah Well, okay. So, um... Cooper. um Oh, yeah. So Charlie notices that Jody likes Cooper while they're rehearsing because Charlie is the other guy in Cooper's um workshop.
01:00:27
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He notices that Jody likes Cooper and that that must be the guy that she's talking about. And then they have this dick measuring contest where Cooper's like, why don't you try this? And Charlie's like, or maybe I could do this. And Cooper's like, or maybe this. And then he just does some like insane like number of pirouettes and stuff. Yeah. yeah and He's like, could you do that? and he's like, I'll work on it. He's like, yeah, you work on it.
01:00:48
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Yeah. um Yeah. a dick measuring contest. Cooper wins. Slash dance off. Yeah. Yeah. To which Charlie that is when That is when she goes to see him backstage and then he leaves with another girl from that. yeah from Yeah.
01:01:04
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It's so heartbreaking because like because Of course he does. Of course he does, number one. And number two, who among us in our youth hasn't had something like that happen to them?
01:01:15
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where you misread the signals yeah and you get shat on and it's embarrassing and mortifying. And, you know, and then Jodi rightfully so is pouty at rehearsal the next day.
01:01:28
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And so he's like, okay, well, don't know about rightfully, but understandably so under say understandably. So, um, and so, ah he's choreographing and he's got the like rich lady that he's trying to convince to, uh,
01:01:44
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give him money is there watching and um he he's like okay well jody you're gonna be stage left over here um or stage right and she goes yesterday i was stage left and he goes well today you're stage right and she goes well then what am i gonna be tomorrow but and then she says like don't my feelings matter and he's like no because i'm the choreographer and she storms out don't Charlie goes after her and he's like... Has the best monologue.
01:02:17
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She says like, you know, a choreographer isn't going to care about the dance what the dancer wants to do, but shouldn't a woman, how a woman feels, matter to the guy she's seeing?
01:02:28
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Yeah. Yeah. And he goes, it doesn't matter. Just use it. Yeah. He's like, use the emotion and dance, which is crazy that no one's told her that in 18 years of of dancing.
01:02:40
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Well, and you have to think, like, they keep saying, like, look at her, look at her. And um it's like i ah her strength in dancing is the way she emotes and the way that she feels the dance. And you can tell how much she loves it.
01:02:55
Speaker
And that's, and she sort of loses it. gets stifled out of her. um gets stifled out of her. Or stifled out of her at ABA.
01:03:06
Speaker
And she loses it. And so then all they see is bad feet and bad technique. And um she just has, she has to find that joy again. And she finds it. She finds it in that rehearsal room with the drummer. as Don't we all? Also, like, what he's doing is not ballet. Yeah.
01:03:24
Speaker
It's a new, it's ballet for the people. It's modern slash ballet, like hybrid, really. It's much more interesting than boring, stupid ballet.
01:03:35
Speaker
Sure. She, she um like, I wrote, Maureen's mom comes to be a bitch. Yep. Where she lies to Maureen and says that Juliet c it like sought me out to tell me that like you've been struggling. like That's not true. They just ran into each other randomly on the street.
01:03:54
Speaker
like Exactly. like um ah And tells her like she can't date somebody. um emily gets okay oh she she um jim discovers that maureen is bulimic he confronts her about it i mean confronts is strong he's has a very good reaction like yeah he's very sensitive about conversation to her yes he is yeah Yeah.
01:04:18
Speaker
And then they start it sort of snowballs into an argument where he's like, um you know, no matter what, I'm not going to hurt myself for my medical degree.
01:04:28
Speaker
I don't understand why you're hurting yourself to be a dancer. um And this is where we get iconic iconic.
01:04:40
Speaker
scene we've already quoted it once before oh yeah but um i almost got last night i was like wouldn't it be funny if i got transcript the tra ah script and made us do a reading of this but um that would take too long um i know and it's too late now um where she basically is like i'm fine and she goes you know what i'm the best goddamn dancer in the american ballet academy who the hell are you nobody um she storms out yeah and she storms out and charlie thought that that was the worst acted scene he'd ever seen in his entire life oh no no no i don't think so i think the worst acted scene is is anytime cooper is having to interact with another person yeah um it's not great um but again i think she's probably the strongest actor um
01:05:30
Speaker
in this movie i know obviously the worst that's that's wild i did not find that at all zoe saldanya is obviously a good actor but i don't think she's good in this but again she's very young yeah yeah she's very very young but um but yeah i i love that scene i think it's iconic and um then yeah sorry oh i then immediately
01:05:55
Speaker
ah was gonna ah yeah but I was just going to say um the I think that Charlie's biggest thing is that they use a lot of ADR in that scene.
01:06:06
Speaker
And I think that needs to be using the poorly dubbed ADR for bad acting. Sure. Yeah. So Emily gets kicked out of the of the of the workshop and decides to leave the school because she's fat.
01:06:24
Speaker
Quote unquote. And her mom is there and her mom's like, you know, dancing doesn't make her happy. And it um used to make her happy and it doesn't anymore. And like, I want all you girls to like, you know, if this, if they're making you feel bad, you should not do that. Which is true. It's true.
01:06:40
Speaker
In my, I mean, I did not... My undergraduate ah program was very strange because it was sort of halfway. Honestly, it was like three quarters the way to a conservatory.
01:06:57
Speaker
It was like, A conservatory program that had just changed to a BA in the year that we got there. So I have a BA in theater, but my classes and the structure and everything and the way the class worked was it was just like a BFA. So I'm not really sure why it's a BA instead of a BFA. Basically, it just means we had to take more other classes.
01:07:18
Speaker
Stupid. um But the first thing the the teacher told us is like, if you can be happy doing anything other than theater, you should do that. Because you won't make any money.
01:07:31
Speaker
And it will be hard. And it's not fair. And you'll be judged by your looks and your body instead of your your talent and your abilities. And that's just the way that it is.
01:07:43
Speaker
And I'm begging you, please quit if you think that you could be happy doing anything else. um ah and that's that i think all teachers should say that to their students like if you're gonna do theater if you're gonna do dance if you're gonna do something like that art if you want to do any sort of yeah any of the fine arts like as a profession like there is one percent of people that make money doing this you know yeah everyone else is struggling and if you don't have the passion to do it then you won't be successful and like yeah yeah
01:08:21
Speaker
Um, and that's why I haven't written a play in like three years. And that's why i have a mental breakdown every six months. Yeah. um But I mean, her rage for being a yeah we're still doing it.
01:08:35
Speaker
Have the passion to do it. I don't want to do anything else. Like, yeah, and rehearsal is my favorite place in the world. I've tried. I've tried. I've tried to convince my brain. and Like, I have tried so many times to be like, if I could just be happy doing like, don't know, like and then like doing community theater in my spare time. And if I wanted to, or if I could like, you know, just work in marketing or some shit like that. Like I have tried, but I can't, it always comes back to bite me.
01:09:12
Speaker
And i I just can't, yeah I just can't quit. I can't quit you. can't quit you. um ah Yeah, so... Then we have... um then Then Maureen...
01:09:26
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um
01:09:30
Speaker
Oh, yeah, so Eric gets injured. That's the next thing that happens. yeah Sorry. Eric twists his ah ankle during a tech rehearsal. And... um Cooper, Jonathan goes up to Cooper and he goes, well, you got to start rehearsing the understudy. And he goes, it's Sergei. He's not good enough.
01:09:47
Speaker
And he goes, no, no, no, no. Sergei's in Jonathan's. It's another rando. It's Andre. Sorry. It's Andre. It's Andre. It's, uh, he's not good enough. And Jonathan's like, well, he's going to have to be. And he goes, no, I'll do it.
01:10:02
Speaker
Of course you will. Of course you will, Cooper. Fucking egomaniac. Which, of course, sends Jodi into a spiral because she's like, that's some fucking bullshit.
01:10:15
Speaker
you Yeah, especially once you see the dance. Jesus. That feels sexual harassing. um and But like her whole thing is like, I'm going to look like an amateur next to Cooper Nielsen.
01:10:28
Speaker
And ah everyone's just like, no, you'll be fine. Don't worry about it. um And then we get the day of the showcase. She's fine. And she is. Well, hold on. Then Maureen goes to see Jim and she says, you know, she apologizes and says like when he hurt his ankle, the first thing I thought was, I wish it was me because I want to be out of this.
01:10:47
Speaker
um Yeah. Like, and, um and then we have Donna Murphy and Zoe Saldana. um Having a moment.
01:10:57
Speaker
Having a moment where she finally starts listening to her. Yeah. Gets her head out of her ass a little bit. I mean, she had to go on a journey. yeah she goes on a character's journey, Katie.
01:11:10
Speaker
yeah she starts off really headstrong and she gets to be a team player. And then she says that, um is it This is not dancing for them anymore.
01:11:21
Speaker
I'm going to start dancing for me. She says that, is it to Eric that she says that? i don't remember. I didn't write it down. she no it do So the night before the um showcase, the three of them have a little tête-à-tête, Maureen, Jodi, and Ava, because they're all roommates and they're all sitting around.
01:11:38
Speaker
And Jodi and Ava have sort of been like talking about how Jodi's nervous about dancing with Cooper and how, bullshit it is that he's doing it and Ava's trying to like calm her down Maureen walks in and she asks how Eric is and they go well how would you be and she goes relieved and everyone's like what bitch you crazy and so then they're talking about they all sort of like have this like last little moment of reflection before the big showcase day right um But like Zoe Saldana has never danced for them. Like she's always been dancing for herself. That's that's the thing. Like that's her problem.
01:12:15
Speaker
but It's always been about her. Yes, but I think that like her whole thing is that she has felt like she has to prove something. She has felt that she has to prove that she doesn't care.
01:12:28
Speaker
Because that's her that's her defense mechanism. that's yeah yeah That's her shield, you know? So she's constantly fighting and like... against the grain and um trying to be difficult because she thinks that is gonna like save her from being hurt if she like loses out on like opportunities or you know other things like she's she's utilizing her stubbornness as a shield and it slowly gets cracked away at And each of these characters could easily have their own movie. It should be sad. And they kind of do. That's the thing. Like, these, these, the three of them are all have like, you know, main plots.
01:13:08
Speaker
Like it is not like, um, um, like B plots and C plots. Um, yeah. So, um, at the day of the show, I always forget dancers say marriage to each other instead of break a leg, which is cute, which is yeah French for shit. Um, uh,
01:13:25
Speaker
It's the same kind of thing as break a leg, though. You know, you don't say good luck. You have to say something a little bit um off. Yeah, exactly. Because of luck. Yes.
01:13:36
Speaker
Cooper is trying to give her last minute direction in the stairwell, um which don't do. Never never do. yeah um And she puts a boundary on him, which is good.
01:13:47
Speaker
And then I wrote, he's such a piece of shit. Yes. Yes, he is. And then we see Jonathan's ballet and Maureen isn't there. Maureen in it.
01:13:59
Speaker
Zoe Saldana replaced her without telling anyone, which is crazy. And also, like, was she her understudy? Who replaced her in the core? like yeah i I assume one of the swings, because ah each ballet has understudies.
01:14:14
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Those are the shittiest of the shitty dancers at this academy. Yeah. Yeah, at the best ah ballet academy in the country. Yeah, the shitty ones. Right. um and And Zoe Saldana, like, fucking co kills it um But Maureen's mom, Debra Monk, has a coronary, like, being like, I thought that this was, ah like, she's with her coworkers who are all saying good luck, good luck ah to her as if she's the one that's about to perform.
01:14:43
Speaker
and um isn't she though isn't your child is an extension of yourself you know oh yeah and then when ava comes on she goes what is happening and everyone's so confused and so she storms out of lincoln center to the lobby and maureen's like mom i'm here and she goes what's going she's just been waiting for her mom because she knew this was going to happen yeah Yeah, and her mom immediately goes, what is that trash doing out there? Dancing your part. and Yeah, Jesus. And very sweetly goes, her name's Ava and she's not trash.
01:15:19
Speaker
And I asked her to. And ah it's a very, very, she has this moment of being like, um you know, you this was all for you. i don't like dancing. It doesn't make me happy. I'm making myself sick.
01:15:34
Speaker
And at first, Debra Monk doesn't is like deflecting and being like you watch your weight who cares and she goes i'm trying to tell you that i am not well i have an eating she tells her that bulimia is okay like yes exactly as long as it gets her into abt that's all that matters yeah jesus um and uh eventually they i mean they don't necessarily reconcile but maureen walks away and she's just like you know what whatever
01:16:05
Speaker
Yeah, it's realistic that her mom doesn't back down because she wouldn't. um She tells her, you didn't. She says, you know, I'm doing what you wanted to do. You didn't have the feet and I don't have the heart. Yeah, exactly. And then she walks away.
01:16:16
Speaker
And yeah, and then get the amazing, fantastic nonsense that is Cooper Nielsen's got like. Cooper rides his motorcycle on stage.
01:16:28
Speaker
Rides his motorcycle.
01:16:32
Speaker
Rides his motorcycle on stage because he's a bad boy. Which you definitely cannot do. Like, you cannot ride a gas-powered engine onto the ah ah and into an enclosed space like that.
01:16:49
Speaker
You just can't. if you ride a motorcycle If you ride a motorcycle on stage, you can do that, but you have to, like, rig the motorcycle special, and then the engine would be a sound effect. It's a whole thing.
01:17:02
Speaker
we rode We drove a Volkswagen Beetle on stage and in high school, actually. Really? Yeah, yeah. um But you can't, it's illegal. um And I assume if it was illegal in Tennessee, it's illegal in New York.
01:17:16
Speaker
yeah um It's illegal to to draw to have a, like, yeah, to drive you can't drive it because of the the carbon dioxide, right? That makes sense. yeah So you have to remove the engine and you have to do like, you have to, the sound effect, it has to be a sound effect of the engine. And then you have to like, you know, basically get, it gets um propelled on stage by other means. Yeah.
01:17:38
Speaker
Oh, okay. Cause I was just like, how, how did they film it? If he wasn't riding his motorcycle? um Again, i'm I'm sure that there's, I mean like on Broadway, i mean, Broadway theaters are so small. They do I can't think of any time I've seen um like a motorcycle on, on Broadway. Cause a motorcycle is, you know, smaller than a car, but I've never seen a motorcycle on stage on Broadway that I remember.
01:18:07
Speaker
do they actually drive them on in Greece? I haven't seen Greece live. so No. um But again, if they do, they just have to like, I mean, i now, you know, they could be probably electric powered and stuff on their own. And then you can like, just, know, have the sound effect of the engine maybe.
01:18:22
Speaker
um Oh No these are all outdoor things I was just like motorcycle on stage That was a terrible thing you can certainly do it outdoors Yeah Yeah, you can certainly do it.
01:18:33
Speaker
um I digress. That's not important. Anyways. None of it's important. So sorry. Yeah. But we get this really cool, like, really cool scene changes where Tween Emma got really wrapped around the axle on the technicality of all of this.
01:18:49
Speaker
um Because I was... Well, one thing is just impossible. Yeah. I was like, how do they make these costume changes so quickly? Yeah. Because they cut away. does she change? How does she go from wearing pink pointe shoes to red pointe shoes without leaving the stage?
01:19:08
Speaker
And get a full different face of makeup. And a full face of makeup, doing her hair in like a really intense braid situation and a costume change. How can she do that without leaving the stage? And I remember I came up with some wild theories as a teen, as a tween.
Dance Scene Highlights
01:19:25
Speaker
i was like, well, maybe, maybe there is skim that comes down.
01:19:31
Speaker
And so you just see her. skim. A skim. And you just see her feet for a hot second. And then it changes. Maybe it's lights. I think at one point I thought it was lights.
01:19:44
Speaker
um Well, the first two costume changes are done practically. Like they just take more of her clothes off because she's basically naked in the second dance scene. You mean the sex ballet scene?
01:19:55
Speaker
Which the sex ballet. And I wrote go ah Peter Gallagher's response is basically the same as mine. um and he just like rolls his eyes. Of this day, HR violation.
01:20:07
Speaker
See, that's exactly what I wrote. Like, how is this allowed? Because it's art, Katie. It is absurd. ah yes But yeah, that last thing, they cut away and everybody's changed clothes. Her makeup's totally different. Her shoes are different, which is like, you can do a lot of stuff with quick changes, but you can't change shoes on stage without anyone noticing, you know?
01:20:28
Speaker
can't pointe shoes for that matter. Yeah, exactly. Pointe shoes, yeah. Like, absolutely insane. But I mean, the outfit is fire. It's my favorite look. It's my favorite dance. It yeah. And the thing is, like, her movie it's good.
01:20:42
Speaker
Like, it is a good dance. It's silly and it's a little eye-rolly and cringe, but like the dancing is is very good. It's so good. It's so good. That's one thing that Charlie said. He was like, once I could get, I understood how Sergei wasn't a like fifth year freshman.
01:20:59
Speaker
right Right, right, right, right, yeah. He was like, because at one point I texted Katie this last night. At one point he was just researching ballet academies to understand how long you went to ballet conservatories for.
01:21:13
Speaker
And he was just like not paying attention to the movie anymore and just researching to try and figure this out. And I was like, watch the damn movie. Yeah, you figured it out. Yeah, exactly. was like kids program thing. Yeah, exactly.
01:21:28
Speaker
and He was like, once i got i got over that bit, I enjoyed it. Not for the acting, but because of the dancing. and Because Charlie does enjoy it. He enjoys dance. He enjoys ballet.
01:21:40
Speaker
um I love ballet. Yeah. i I don't care for opera. I find opera really boring usually. But I love ballet. Same,
Ballet Company Offers
01:21:49
Speaker
same, same. um um Next time that you come visit, we'll we'll go we'll go to the Lincoln Center.
01:21:54
Speaker
Oh, yeah. yeah we We'll we do the monologue on the steps.
01:22:00
Speaker
Will we? I'm the best goddamn dancer in the American Ballet Academy. Who the hell are you? Nobody. okay um Okay. the show is over. um yeah Tellingly, um this woman comes up and says, oh, you were wonderful. You were wonderful. And then to Jodi, she goes, if you were beautiful.
01:22:27
Speaker
Yes. No, it's my favorite. She goes up to Cooper. It's um the fancy rich lady. She goes, yeah, you were wonderful, Cooper. Wonderful. And then she turns to Jodi. You were beautiful.
01:22:38
Speaker
And then she turns to Jodi and then she turns to Charlie and she goes, you were good too. Well, Charlie doesn't have a lot to do. made a note before. One, two, three, four. two three yeah but Before the last scene where he does dance, I'm like, does Charlie dance at all in this? um ah So, um because they do have the pas de trois. They have the thing with yeah um what she's like between the two of them. And then like she, she voice rejects both of them in the, in the ballet.
01:23:10
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. She rejects both of them and she chooses. dances with her girls. Yeah. Her fiery self. Girl power. Yeah.
01:23:19
Speaker
um Which is strange for Cooper to have put together. So you find out that um he's putting together his own ballet company. He asks her to be the star. yeah And I was like, girl, you don't need to get involved with this man.
01:23:33
Speaker
Yeah. But then everybody's getting one by one taken to Jonathan's office and getting offered one of the part one of the roles or not. yeah Yeah. And they only take three girls and three boys every year into the company.
01:23:46
Speaker
from this program. How many people do they need? How many boys? How many girls? um Which is, I mean, it seemed like there was like a lot more, but in the beginning, Jodi's parents ask how many people do they take? And the lady that she's talking to goes, no more than 12. And they go, from this class? And she goes, no, in the world, in the country.
01:24:06
Speaker
um and so you have to i'm assuming that it's a class of 12 but there seems to be way more than 12 in all of their classes well i think some of them aren't advanced students i think they're the they're the younger people like sarah gay was and stuff yeah this makes a lot more sense um so they'll take half of the class and the other half will get rejected Um, and they have to just go to hopefully get a job with one of the other ballet companies that is attending this showcase so or quit dancing forever. Yeah. And, um, they, they choose to make this, um, career maker break announcement the night of their showcase after the showcase, because they couldn't wait another day.
01:24:56
Speaker
They couldn't let the students have this. They have to immediately ruin their lives. Yeah. Which again is very theater school-y. Everyone that we know has a happy ending one way or another. Exactly.
01:25:09
Speaker
Eric, despite breaking his damn foot, um gets part on the on the ah the thing. Charlie yeahp gets a part and then presumably some other boy that we don't know because Sergei gets a job in San Francisco.
01:25:23
Speaker
With Galina. Which is where he wanted to go with Galina, his girlfriend. Mm-hmm. and Anna and Zoe Saldana and a third unknown woman gets gets the part for the for the women because Maureen quit and it could have been it could have been Jodi we don't know because she doesn't let them talk she says I'm not gonna take it before you say something you know yeah Don't tell me because then I'll be tempted to take it and I don't want to take it. I'm going to go off with Cooper. And they're like, okay, girl. Yeah. They're like, okay. Whenever, know, starts sexually harassing don't come crawl on Well, it's immediate because she tells him, I'm going to go with your company. And he tries to kiss her. And she's like, no, wait.
01:26:08
Speaker
No. ah You're a good dancer. You're dancer. Yeah. And you're a good choreographer. But as a boyfriend, you kind of suck. And he's like, he wasn't even her boyfriend. was never your boyfriend.
01:26:23
Speaker
What are you talking
Film Reviews & Next Discussion Preview
01:26:24
Speaker
about? keep making references of like, Because he dumped you. and I'm just like, they weren't. He didn't dump her. He just, they just hit it and quit it Yeah. He hit And then Charlie's like, I'm going to dance here. And she's like, I'm going to go with Cooper. And he's like, oh, and she's like, no, let's go out on a date. And he was like, oh, okay. Everything's fine.
01:26:45
Speaker
Everything's fine. And then my favorite bit of the end where, um, Cooper Nielsen does a slow cp clap and interrupts everyone at this wonderful, uh, end of this prestigious program for everyone and makes it about Jody.
01:27:00
Speaker
And he goes, Jody Sawyer, everybody. Yep. Jody Sawyer. It's weird. She's the protagonist apparently of the, uh, dance school.
01:27:12
Speaker
um ah And then the credits happen um And there Oh i forgot to say I forgot to say The song they dance to At the jazz class is Candy by Mandy Moore yeah And then they have sex too um i want i want To wanna be with you By Mandy Moore Back to back Moore Yeah she did a music video For this movie Right yeah and she was like 15 years old Which is awkward um to write a song specifically about fucking and have it be 15 years old.
01:27:48
Speaker
But um the choreography credits are first in the end credits, which is nice. I like that. And then they play the worst song I've ever heard over the actual credit.
01:28:01
Speaker
Oh, come It's really, really bad. it's not that bad. I don't remember what it is. It's somebody somebody I've never heard of. to listen in the soundtrack on repeat, but that's not a surprise once you know how much I love this movie.
01:28:15
Speaker
um Yes, yes. Great. But that's the other stage. Yeah. And you see everybody's happy ending and Cooper Nielsen has hired a bunch of people from the jazz class. ah to be in his cool company and Jodi's got a sexy cool sports bra that she does her warm ups with and it everybody else is happy in their other places so yeah that's at our stage gotta love it gotta love it um yeah it's fun it's good movie yeah ah despite what ah the critics say um this movie did what the critics say
01:28:52
Speaker
Oh, it's not. it's It's real bad. I think it was like 15% Rotten Tomatoes or something.
01:28:58
Speaker
I love this movie so goddamn much. Let's see. What is the Letterboxd reviews? That's my favorite because you get you get some real gems in there. Oh, no, no, no. It's not that bad. It's 41% on Rotten Tomatoes. Because everyone this. Everyone can relate to this.
01:29:15
Speaker
don't know about everybody. Like, theater people and dance people can for sure. Katie! Katie. I'm sorry um so sorry. so sorry. you gave it two and a half stars?
01:29:30
Speaker
I mean, two and a half stars is pretty good. Two and a half stars? What did I say? you said, wow, so they really went for dancers over actors in this. Yeah, that's accurate.
01:29:44
Speaker
um You were so invested in all three of our protagonists. You couldn't explain it. Maybe it's because I was super, super high. Yeah, I don't do it.
01:29:55
Speaker
um Zoe Saldana stomping out a cigarette with her pointe shoe. Iconic. Agreed. He drove a motor site motorbike on stage and then choreographed a sexy fanfic about his ex-girlfriend.
01:30:08
Speaker
That is all. One a half stars.
01:30:13
Speaker
um J.K. Simmons would have fired all of them on their first day. yeah Well, yeah, because he's ah abusive. Yeah. Yeah. The mommy-daughter version of No Dad, I'm Giving Up Your Dream.
01:30:28
Speaker
Yeah, all that's accurate. Yeah. ah And then, let's see. ah This is not my type of movie at all. only watch it for Zoe's. Oh, that's not great.
01:30:41
Speaker
ah This film is not good. i accept that. But as a dancer, it slaps. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah ah So yeah, so that's center stage.
01:30:55
Speaker
Brown.
01:30:58
Speaker
What are we doing next week? All right. Next week we are going to um we're going to get ah real silly and we are going to watch Anna Faris in The House Bunny. Fuck yeah.
01:31:12
Speaker
I love House Bunny. I'm so excited. ah can't wait to show Charlie this.
01:31:18
Speaker
I actually don't know if he's ever seen it. This is like I would highly doubt it if he's seen it. Yeah. Yeah. One of the best things about this podcast is that it's basically like I have an excuse to show my alien husband all of these films that he's never seen before. That's true. That's true. It's like I'm educating him on American culture.
01:31:39
Speaker
Yeah.
Closing Remarks & Audience Engagement
01:31:40
Speaker
Or just human culture, really. to be with you. Yeah, human culture. Sorry. My um extraterrestrial alien husband who's in the other room and hearing all of this.
01:31:52
Speaker
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01:32:07
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01:32:34
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