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Whitey Gonna Represent
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An ever so important straight, white guy perspective about how advertising agencies and Hollywood represent marginalized people in tokenized and trite ways. Another thing for these "Pieces" to be annoyed about.
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Introduction of Theme Songs
00:00:00
Speaker
Hey, I spent some time working on some some new theme songs one one out And then I've got a couple B sides. So let's let's go to the one that one out. This will be our intro The listeners will hear it. You ready? Here we go These motherfuckers crazy
00:00:53
Speaker
You like that, Matt? Wow, dude. It's got a little, like, P. Funk or Parliament or, like, Rick James to it. I know. That's pretty nice, dude. Did you- Were you playing the bass line on that? Were you picking that? You're joking. No, hell no. I'm not joking. I don't know. You should have said yes, dude. You could have been, like, Tame Impala, dude. Plays all his instruments.
00:01:19
Speaker
That's talent.
Unreleased Theme Songs Humor
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Speaker
Now, let's go to the ones that lost. These are horrible. Oh, so far, I agree with your decision. Yeah, here we go.
00:01:29
Speaker
I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am, I am Wow. Now, is that you on the drums? Is that you? Dude, that one, it's like I had to do one take because I don't know how those metal guys sing that kind of shit. I mean, they got to be destroyed, right? After like five minutes. Just like even the veins in their brain and their head like have to be popping. They probably explode capillaries or something. I mean, it's not coming from the diaphragm. I mean, it's like throat, just crud, throat destroy.
00:02:14
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Now were you, were was that your voice or were you like, would you screw with it in the in the audio software? Or can you get to? but no that That's my voice. It's just, it's just when you put a and like a reverb on it, you can get it to sound and it's kind of sitting underneath the music. yeah It sits fits in there like the devil, but I thought that one was funny. That's yeah, that would have lit up some church groups in the 80s. I remember, I don't know if that happened when you were growing up where people are like playing Ozzy records backwards and talking about satanic music. and I remember Tangen Alert, the the all that shit used to scare the hell out of me, right? About like Ozzy concerts and stuff, like what people would say. But then someone was like Meat Loaf. Meat Loaf had an album. I had a friend who had all these albums. One of Meat Loaf's albums was called Bad Outta Hell. And it had like a demon coming out of a graveyard or something. And I was like, that must be some satanic music
00:03:12
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And then you listen to Meatloaf and it's like, I would do anything. You're like, what the fuck? This is satanic, but not because it's metal. It's it's a destroying your steam. Yeah, no, that's wrong. I don't mean that. I don't mean to jack Meatloaf like that. it vi but It's just funny that.
00:03:31
Speaker
People got all into, oh, this is Satan, I got some love ballads. Like, okay, take it easy. Yeah. Poorly named album.
Music and Media Imagery
00:03:38
Speaker
And then I did one more that truly is horrible. I don't know, maybe you can make a joke about it. <unk>t want I don't want to rain on your creative parade. Let's see what it's like, dude.
00:04:07
Speaker
No lyrics, just... What comes to mind? A lesbian, like Asian character on the Netflix who's also like the a mom in a progressive charter school. that's what That's what that music makes it sound like. And everything's like dramatic. It has the the drama of like that show 30-something that came in the 80s where every scene was like them in the kitchen like...
00:04:29
Speaker
I'm trying to do my best, Darlene. or I don't know what the character's name was, but they just took those characters out and put Asian lesbians in it. That's what the song makes me. That's what it makes you feel like? Yeah. Hey, brilliant segue, right? ah We're going to talk about... Go ahead. do You got something to say? No, I just want to say thank you. i would um man it's if That was the show. That's fine with me. Every week, if you did something, put that together, it's the greatest thing that that could happen to me.
00:04:58
Speaker
Yeah, like it's all downhill from here this episode. That was amazing. Yeah, I kind of want to hear the one that won again, but we're not going to do that. It won't make people suffer through it. They'll hear it at the end. You are gonna you aren' putting that into this, like every episode or no? I was getting back. i've had a but I would like to say I've had several comments about your song, but but ah how people love it. and and they And those people have been down here and I wonder if they they get like the like it's ironic kind of humorous or they think that you're trying to actually like rap in a serious way and deliver a message. But I'm not gonna make any, decision I'm not gonna tell them either way. And that would be, said that would be funny to know. Especially too with this, this funk version. I mean, it's a clear, ah it's like satire. ah But maybe they think it's dope. You have a talent though, dude. Like you you probably, I know you're a musician, but you could definitely be like ah ah a musical producer. like you
00:05:52
Speaker
I don't even know how you're putting that shit together, whether it's a joke or not. It's all, I wouldn't call it high level, bud. but it All right, dude. So here's the topic today.
Minority Representation in Media
00:06:05
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Are advertising agencies in Hollywood over-representing minorities now. And here's like, I'm a piece of shit because um I'm liberal, but I've generally gotten a sense that there's more virtue signaling and representation in movies and in commercials. And it just something I'm curious about, not something I want to come on here and rant about. And there's a contingent of society
00:06:33
Speaker
does seem to be growing pretty rapidly around this Trump stuff. That's like, slow the fuck down, stop showing me gay sex right and and black women lawyers or whatever the fuck they think. And then the other the other side is like saying, well, the but representation is actually plummeting and all there is is really tokenization of minorities.
00:06:57
Speaker
rather than real representation, right? The right ah like the the black friend in the upper middle class neighborhood that's best friends with the white girl protagonist. There's a lot of that. I think there have been some Tells it like it is, that character, like everything's a spin-off of Queen Latifah one way or another. Yeah. Well, talks white, but every now and then goes, girl. Yeah. So there's been some of that, or a lot of that, and there's been ah a few things that I think have- Todd is white. Black Panther. ah What's Black Panther?
00:07:35
Speaker
I know about the the movement, but oh is that a but i don't i didn't I didn't see it. So what what's what is it? It's like an X-Men movie. that empower It's pretty empowering, I think, for black culture because it's 100% rooted in black folks being depicted as powerful. and also like And also there's a connection to the heritage and sort of what it means to be African and all that. That's my take on it. It's a black superhero movie. so is like If you dumb it down, that's that's what it is.
00:08:05
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. It's like a Superman, but it's a character called the Black Panther or something like that. Yeah, everybody knows about it except for you, dude. Okay. And there's other movies that have been pretty prominent. None come to mind because I'm white, but ah like American fiction, Get Out, some other stuff. We don't have to dwell on that. But anyway,
00:08:26
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It's interesting and I think too for somebody who's conscious of minorities and like are they getting a fair shake like I actually do think about that and I'm also like bombarded with like really it's like a light-skinned couple light-skinned minority couple in every commercial now is that it's like people it does seem like that there's a lot of trying too hard and it's it's not like I'm saying really because I'm like what the fuck it's more of like I'm saying really you're going to alienate and piss off this ever-growing, Trumpian, right-winged young man, a demographic. you're You're literally going to turn them away. And even if they- So you're giving them a reason to be uninformed idiots or something? I feel that way, dude. That's my take. I don't know where you're at on this, but- This one's too sensitive. I'm just going to let you, you bury your own grave. I'm not even going to say a damn thing. We're going to say it all feels someone feels forced, right? A little bit like you're just like, Oh, okay. Gay character there. No idea why or something like it. It seems like the overriding decision on any form entertainment is like, does this make the story better? Does it move the story along? And a lot of times you're kind of wondering, you're like, not really. So.
00:09:44
Speaker
I don't know. I mean, i got I've thought about it since I knew this was a topic. And I go, is there ever going to be a time for me when I'm like watching a guy give another guy oral sex where it'll be like normal for me? And and the answer is no, never. And is it going to be like make the story weird for me? And the answer is yes. But I also think I mean, if you think about, I don't know, like movies when you're a kid that you might have been able to spill some seed over, or some like girl or something, or like a sex scene, you're like, Oh, look at that. And then you say spill some seed. Yeah, come on. So you have to call it out. Nobody would even know I said it. It would just they would have glossed over it. Like, but
00:10:26
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No, but I'm saying, okay, if I was a young gay man, then maybe that's like appealing because some some people go to the movies dece to see some like erotic scene or something like that. Maybe for them, they're like, well, you might not want to see it, but i but I think it's fucking great. But this whole thing, but I never, it's weird to me because I guess I'm not in one of those groups like, oh, I hope um i don't sit down and watch anything that's entertaining. i hope this I hope I'm represented in this movie. I hope I hope i can identify with the character. It's like, is this good? You know?
00:10:55
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Yeah, so you're a purist in terms of the storyline. I think that's a good cop out. No, no, it's actually reasonable perspective. Well, on the positive side, like we talked about stuff that we've seen where we go, oh, I don't give a fuck who at it is. And I don't remember the name as a beef. I think it's called beef. It's Ali Wong's, ah like her miniseries. I think on Netflix somewhere, which is almost 100% Asian cast, except for like, peripheral characters that they needed. ah the The main characters are Asian, and and it was just a good show. Right. and Right. It was like, and there was lesbian characters in that. and They didn't say it, but I made my own judgment.
00:11:35
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with the clothes. Just kidding. No, there was a her, I think her boss was a ah powerful lesbian. And yeah, it was just a good show. It didn't take away from it. They're all Asian. It didn't make it better. It was just there. And maybe for that group of people, it's like good, we we can cast and and write and direct our our own stuff. And if it works, it has to work for everybody.
00:11:57
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. I want to explore both of those, so the race and then the LGBTQ plus stuff. But I want to also make a comment because I would say six months ago, this would have been a non-starter type of conversation for me to have on this podcast because of the fear of backlash. And um if I can give credit to the cancelers and the trolls, they've gone so extreme that now we can actually come on here and have some ignorance about a topic and have a conversation and have a balanced conversation about it without like immediately getting trolled or canceled or death threats or whatever the F is happening out there. So that piece for me feels encouraging. Right.
00:12:40
Speaker
So when we talk about this, man, it's not gonna be easy, cause we don't know what we're talking about, but I also, I'm just gonna say it. I'm just gonna fucking say it. Let's start LGBTQ plus. Cause I think there's some hypocrisy there too. Like it's, it's like, what's with the, you know, queer people having a straight folks who've played gay characters, be their icons. What's with like the obsession with ah characters like Rachel Weiss,
00:13:06
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or Kate Blanchett, who played lesbians. You know, there's a lot of people in that community who are like hyping up straight people that have played those, that have played gay characters. And I think that's interesting. Well, is it like, they're hyping up because they just look at that, taking that role as a sign of support. And so they're like, thanks for supporting our community.
00:13:27
Speaker
I don't know, because there's a huge argument around like, should it be? Should you have accurate, accurate character depictions with somebody who's actually gay, playing gay characters? And then you've got one side of the group of actors who says no, that's the whole basis of acting is that you pretend and play different characters. And I admit that's the fun and joy of it. And then others that know representation is, you know, don't don't put Timothy Chalamet in there as a gay man, give me Give me a real gay man. ra and And then I go, well, dude, people want to see Charlize Theron and Margot Robbie hooking up, not Rosie O'Donnell and Ellen. right Joke. That's a joke. Good episode. We got a point across. Wait, wait, wait, wait. pack Back up a little bit. Did you use those examples because those girls are lesbians? or but No, the first two are not. and there's But they're obviously gorgeous. like um The last two, out they are they out? Yeah.
00:14:25
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Yeah, Rosie O'Donnell. Sometimes I don't know how fucking stupid you are because you're living in Costa Rica and you don't know who what the Black Panther is. I'm just like, Jesus. So you got me. Let's let's let my dumb jokes segue into something. The positive is like those people are out and maybe 30 years ago. I think even for them, even for Even for like Ellen, I don't think she was out her whole professional career. like People had to make a decision. Now I don't think it's a big deal. right like People can come out, and and that's cool. um But to your point about oh getting a character to play someone else, i and like one of my favorite comedy movies is Tropical tropical Thunder. and And they spoof the idea of having a white actor take a bunch of like skin augmentation shit to play a black character. And they're mocking that whole thing in Hollywood.
00:15:15
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yeah and Yeah, so fucking funny. And I'm sure some people are offended by essentially, it's like ah Robert Downey Jr. is in blackface the whole movie, but they're actually mocking the idea. Like, it's like It's Hollywood, man. like Everybody's gay. I'm sure you could get other other lesbians to play these parts, right? like Or other gay guys you don't need. But you're out you're just trying to play a numbers game, and who's gonna make more money? And so let's let's just call it what it is. like It's a business, right? Yeah, that's a great point. I mean, it is. That that movie was fantastic. I think satire's gonna come back in a big bigger way. I think that...
00:15:53
Speaker
It got too far, the canceling, the trolling, it went way too far. And now we can actually have a conversation about this stuff. And and I think that will succeed in building the collective education more than like us fucking walking on eggshells trying to figure out what people are doing. Because here here's really part of it for me. When I see these characters enter into movies these days, it feels like the only thing it revolves around is having sex and how you, you know,
00:16:22
Speaker
how you do it and like you know when a show starts and it's immediate girl on girl muff dive or like you know you see dude straddled another dude and you're just like that's not to me what representation is about it's probably more about a gay dude doing some normal stuff Like, oh, he's gay, but like, he's actually cooking breakfast in the movie. 99% of his life has nothing to do with being gay. Just like mine is, 99% of my life is not about pounding tea, bro. Right? like Right. we don't but We don't need to start the movie. Now, I guess, is this what Hollywood's about? Is Hollywood just about like, the movies won't sell without this kind of sex, but it's like immediate gay French kissing, cock play, scissoring. It's just hijacking an otherwise enjoyable movie experience.
Sexual Content in Media
00:17:11
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and even if it was again slower man And even if it was straight sex, I'm getting, I mean, as this might be an age thing, I'm getting sort of tired of that, but maybe young folks are like, Oh yeah, hell yeah. I want to see more, more of that. Like I told you, I watched that series, the boys and it depicted this guy that could clone himself eating his, his own ass, like 10 of him just eating his ass. I'm like, really?
00:17:37
Speaker
I'm like, that's in a mainstream show on Prime. So if that's what we're talking about, like, of course, people, especially folks that lean conservative are gonna be like, what the fuck is going on? Right. But what they just go, well that's not wasn't for you. So don't watch it. So it's okay.
00:17:55
Speaker
It wasn't for you, but that's not helping the cause either. Like every time you have a overly overtly feminine gay guy prancing around, like he's at a Barbara Streisand concert in the show, it's, it's not real. There's some representing all gay men. no yeah Right, dude. I think it's stupid. And I think it's a mistake. I don't know what the line is. I'm not in Hollywood. I'm sure there's a ton of pressure. Well, like maybe just have people be gay without it being an instant mop dive.
00:18:24
Speaker
Well, dude, I had to kind of in that whole like, like, I think there's probably if you go through all the Netflix series, what you might be tired of, there's only like three or four storylines, and they just recycle them in different scenes. So I always come out and give you some some like sex and the first couple episodes and and And then the arc is the same on every fucking... It's like they it's pretty bad, actually. like To keep the storyline, it's always the same. There's like a a main character who'd be friends and enemy. And you see it in so many different things. and and
00:18:58
Speaker
It's the same storyline. So maybe that, you know, the fact they put in this, the gay sex scenes is just the same thing. It's like to grab your attention, there's some sex and they do it within, I've seen in so many different stories, actually, it's the same storyline. That's why I'm like, okay, this is the same thing. It's just a different setting. And I think what you might, what you might not like,
00:19:20
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is that it's really formulaic. And we think that Netflix is is like ah the place of creativity, but it's not. It's just like formulaic like everything else. Well, there but there are some clearly great shows, but they don't have anything about like, they're not trying too hard to like represent and show up whatever they view as a quintessential gay character. There's just a person in the show who's gay. Watch a show called The Diplomat. There was a clearly non-binary character. There was no mention of it. The person wasn't acting all vague and weird about their sexual orientation. They were just a good character in the show. They ultimately did get killed off. So I don't know what that's about. Probably they got,
00:20:00
Speaker
a bunch of complaints about, you're not depicting this person like perfectly. And they flipped out and killed that character off. We just got to, they've got to stop. But that was an example of a, he thought it fit in and made sense. And it was completely fine. It wasn't forced, like in a weird spot.
00:20:17
Speaker
It was completely fine. Now, if you want gay characters to be more of the protagonists, like again, I go back to like that's a tougher deal from a business perspective because that they those executives are going to worry about the ability of that project to sell to the masses just by virtue of the statistics of how many people are LGBTQ. It's growing.
00:20:38
Speaker
as we could probably talk about, like the percentages of people who identify that way. And then the acceptance is growing, but yet again, I don't need to see the endless sex or the pandering to like bombastic gay culture to enjoy it. Like I don't need to see the tropes. I don't need to see the bullshit. Like this person can just be a character in a well-written show who happens to be gay. Let me just read this. I think you'll find this interesting. I found a user. This is probably depicts what a lot of people are thinking. And they they're ignorant in the way that they speak, kind of like we are, but it's also very balanced. This comes from a user named New Life. I don't know if they're Christian or what, but it's like, I'm not homophobic. And I believe that everyone has the right to be who they are. And it's great people are confident to let themselves be free. However,
00:21:29
Speaker
Every single show program movie has to be gay, gay, gay. And quite honestly, it's becoming annoying. I never did understand homophobia. I never will. But being forced to literally watch it on everything on TV nowadays has become extremely aggravating.
00:21:45
Speaker
You cannot force people to cheer, and some people don't even care about it, doesn't help with completely taking over everything with gay scenes. It's becoming far too much. If the aim is to gain acceptance, it's not the ideal way to go about it, by plastering it in our faces. It seems as though the subject of same-sex is apparently more important than anything else.
00:22:06
Speaker
I mean, I don't understand the feeling of coming out, but there's a whole community of support for that. Some people don't even have that. I just want to watch one show without having to watch two men have sex. I think that sentiment probably represents a whole lot of people. like I don't know what this website is, but auto straddle, I think I sent it to you and and you it's like listing comments about all the LGBT stuff. and in, the you know, all over the place now, which I was searching that because of the show. So it wasn't like this was forced upon me, like I woke up and it was just my phone was buzzing with gay, gay, gay, I was searching. So I must say that but but, you know, all these, I'm not homophobic or anything like that. But I'm sorry. That isn't the reality. Most people aren't gay. Right? Yeah, that's like a
00:22:56
Speaker
a thing where people are like, it seems like an over-representation or what people seem to be whining about, right? And then I'm sick of the el- this person. I'm sick of the- this almost sounds like a joke, but I'm sick of the LGBTQIAZLWPD what the fuck ever. If you want to scissor your girlfriend or puff each other's Peter, go do it, but stop trying to shove the mess in my face.
00:23:20
Speaker
This whole thing about shoving it in your face is like, why don't you fucking go turn, why don't you just turn your TV off? No one's shoving it in your face, like... You know? well Well, do you think it's about the the gay aspect or the LGBTQ aspect on screen? Or is it more about the escalation of what a sex sexual act is? Because again, I'll go back to that series, the boys superhero thing that was really about superheroes, but then they have a straight scene where this guy, this girl is like sitting on, she's a superhero. She's sitting on this guy's face and just grinding his face and eventually explodes his face. Cause she's like a superpowers.
00:23:57
Speaker
But this is like a sex scene. Is that what we need to show now on on these TV shows to get people to watch like these extreme? I mean, maybe I'm a prude. Maybe we're just getting older and like we're just proud like sitting on a guy's face and just grinding real hard is is pretty normal. I mean, I don't have any problem with it, I guess. But like does it move the story forward? It's interesting. That sounds great. But I think You mentioned what I think, might I think there's a bit of a, it's starting to come down to generational thing. And that's probably normal for for a different generation now. And we're not, we're never going to probably feel comfortable seeing a lot of dick or gay sex or like
00:24:42
Speaker
we our generation's probably just not gonna be that comfortable with it. There's there's probably people that are, but like as but younger people might not really have an issue with it. And not even like, we we think of people that watch that shit as like, I got fucked up, but brown see they probably don't see it that way. and like it's like But when I was looking at this, there was an article, NBC News, I don't know if it's just tied to MSNBC, which is like,
00:25:06
Speaker
ultra left, left of Cuba, MSNBC, right? But this actually says Gen Z, which yeah I don't know what what the years are on Gen Z, but they they came up with that 28% of people are are in this like group that could identify as bi, gay, other. So you're talking about 30% of people. So so in that, they they're basically saying like, oh, well, this is a representation of of this generation.
00:25:33
Speaker
Wow. That's because that the 25 to 34 year old, it's only 9.1%. What is Gen Z? I want to say they are up to 25 now and millennials are more like 25 plus or 25. Our kids are Gen Z or your kids are. Mine are too young or but or both. I think probably both. Mine and yours are Gen Z maybe.
00:25:58
Speaker
I don't know that stats are like where did you where did you it first of all? Where'd you take the survey like did you take them out of Packers game? I bet you the number is zero What'd you take it at like a ah nightclub and in downtown San Francisco? Okay. Yeah, there's more like I don't know how they do that But it's weird to me like I don't know that the numbers change or it just became okay to come out because you would think that people didn't just start becoming gay like physically it's like it's probably just What this means to me is that people think that we all that always there's always this spread. Just people weren't comfortable with admitting that they were bi or other all this crap. Trans gender queer
00:26:40
Speaker
Yeah, so and I just like, I don't know, it's so weird for me to wrap my head around that. But but um well, it says 5% ages 35 to 50 identify and then it just decreases as people get older less than 3% over 50 identify as LGBTQ plus and then across the nation, there's maybe 1% identify as transgender. So a lot of the increase in it is likely bisexual. I know that's a large percentage of the current gay population, but I don't know what it is so about identifying as LGBTQ plus. Is there an aspect of it that's a fad of feeling like you're being left out like FOMO um or, or just normal teenage exploration or just sort of like not quite understanding who you are yet.
00:27:28
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that just being like, well, I guess I'm um in this group. I'm not sure what this the vibe is there. I'm not sure if that'll hold. And does it matter? I don't know, probably doesn't. Well, yeah, but that's that's the, I don't wanna say excuse, but that's what people justifying, okay, well, we have these characters because that's what's happening in society and we wanna represent them, so.
00:27:51
Speaker
Have the characters show relationships, but we don't need endless sex, straight or gay. we don't We don't need it. It's not moving the story forward anymore. We've seen it. Dude, we've got internet porn. You don't need to do it here too. Write a good story. you know If you want to show like the beginnings of sex happening, fine, but you don't need to show all of it.
00:28:15
Speaker
It's not needed anymore. like you know We can go to Pornhub and get get that anytime we want. We don't need it here too. I think that's a problem. Well, what about movies that that is the movie and then and some people like Basic Instinct or something like that?
00:28:31
Speaker
Okay, yeah, or 50 Shades of Grey, which my my partner loves. Really? ah Yeah, well, a lot of women do they this, like, I don't know what it is about that. But yeah, that's so silly, dude, like, if like, that's on TV, once in a while, probably for like women, like, and they're, they're The girl's reaction is so, is so funny in that movie. Like every, she's like surprised every, this guy's like every four seconds is like, I'm going to do something. Oh my God. Like she, it's just so, it's so funny. Like if that really happened in your real life, would you be like, dude, okay, take it easy for a second. Like, like, Oh, I'm on an elevator. I'm going to touch you. And she's just like, Oh, it's, I can't believe this is happening. You're like,
00:29:13
Speaker
yeah Dude, stop. So people like it. i mean i thought yeah um to My point is, it's horrible. as ah It's just like funny. I thought found that movie pretty funny. Although I never, ever I don't know if I ever watched the whole thing. I don't know if the storyline is like, do they end up like happy or what? But um no that movie has a point and the sexuality in it is justified because that's what the movie's about.
00:29:37
Speaker
Yeah, and that's not a movie I would choose. It's just more of interjecting it into storylines where it's not necessary. This has been a long standing argument about Hollywood, whether it's straight or not, like is that necessary? But what's the what's the slogan, sex sells, right? Yeah. So I think it comes back to the formula, dude. It's it's the same formula, sex sells, but now they think they're identifying the the slice of society.
00:30:02
Speaker
And maybe people are just getting used to more ah gay representations of sex and just going like, hey, this is crazy, stop. And maybe we're just all, we'll get used to it. And that's probably part of the mission there. It's more for me of like the tropes, the like not all, i I mean, I worked with gay people. I wouldn't even have known they were gay.
00:30:23
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And yeah, there was an effeminate version of it at my workplace. That was one of the 10 people I knew. But that is what they depict time and time again. But even those effeminate dudes are not, I mean, there are guys that you're like, all right, dude, I get it. Just stop, you know, that are like, it's like two, two, that's the only thing they want to talk or represent. And you're like, enough, dude. You're gay, it's cool. But for the most part, it's not that, I don't think it's like a huge point of that they don't they're not out to prove it all the time either you know like you're not like in a board meeting and they're just like by the way i'm gay i'm gay i'm getting you know like so i don't know this is a funny in that same article because i i wonder if it's at some point it's not serving its purpose anymore it's just fueling the fire like you said of the right yeah we're going against it but
00:31:15
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I also think they'll start to pigeonhole like certain looks. what like What I was talking about when your song had made me think of like an Asian lesbian woman who has her kid in a charter school, and it's this comment right here in the same article in autostrattle.com. It says, at this point, it feels like Apple is basically saying, all Japanese women are homosexual, which seems pretty darn racist, to be honest.
00:31:38
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like i think it's theyre They're starting to portray they always do this they they always use like Asian Asians in a particular way it seems like and so they start to like pigeonhole them, and and now it's like, okay, that's a that's a comfortable look. the The Asian lesbian, we can digest that for some reason. It's easier to for us to digest than like the butch lesbian or the angry black lesbian. So now you're seeing like these Asian lesbian characters pop up because, oh, maybe maybe Whitey can digest that, you know, or something like that, because it's not their girl. It's this other thing over here, something like that, you know? Right, right. Which is ironic, right?
00:32:16
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It's strange. I do want to shift to the, to the race piece, but like closing thoughts on person on a personal level, like what's your take? How do you feel with the LGBTQ representation in the movies commercials? It's not my biggest problem with, with, with what's going
Race in Media and Tokenism
00:32:32
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on. I think the formula, the, the lack of creativity in the, in like the movie industry, I took my kids to the movies the other day. I think what do we see Viper maybe, and they actually liked it. I was like, I think I fell asleep.
00:32:43
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But all the previews, every preview was a rehash of a movie that's already been done, like Gladiator and some movie that looked like The Lion King. And I'm like, is this 2024? I think most of this is like from 1995. It's just rehashes. So nobody will take a risk um in like ah you know the main movie theater action. So then they put this stuff in streaming formats, and which is good that there's an avenue for them. But yeah, it's not my biggest issue. like um I'll probably never be comfortable watching gay sex or gay oral sex. Maybe people are gonna be like, what are you hiding, Matt? It's like nothing, I don't think. Lots of stuff. Yeah, just it's just weird. And maybe that's because maybe it's because I wasn't exposed to it. And now for younger people, it won't be a big deal. Maybe that's a positive thing. i It's just sex to them. yeah Yeah. Is it forced on us? I don't even know what that means because no one's fucking holding a gun to my head to watch it. So I don't have to.
00:33:39
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You know? well yeah Well, I think it's forced in the sense for this one you might take of like. It's unexpected. So watching Deadpool, which is a mainstream superhero movie, it is rated R, but there's so much ass talk. There was so much talk about shooting guns into the dude's ass, swords in the ass. I might've mentioned this on an old Seniors 94 episode, but it just- You might think to me, you took your son to go see it and it was like, well, there's a whole lot of anal like references in this movie. Yeah, it just is endless. Were they funny? Was it jokes or like- I mean,
00:34:12
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That seems like want mocking the community more than like, yeah I don't know that it was it wasn't. ah It wasn't just one joke. It was many. One would have been fine. But like, I just feel like that we they want to interject.
00:34:26
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but I'm so sorry, listeners. Shut up. That's um okay. In 2035, I would go fucking have sexual intercourse with that with my dog to get it to shut up and everyone would just have to be like, bestiality's fine, because that's where the needle's moving right now. Yeah, that's what's happening. there's there's there is i know I know you were on a roll there, but number six on the tomorrow, bestiality would start creeping into media because apparently these AY creative people go overboard with their love for their pets. Some people, are that's they they're like, this is out of control, this is where we're going.
00:35:11
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You broke up. I didn't hear that. I broke up with BOS. Dude, what was I saying? Oh, yeah. My my main issue is like dropping in, x I guess, extreme visuals of any sort of sex. Beat that dog. Beat that motherfucker. hit What do you do? Hold on. Let me get out of here. Get that. Get beater.
00:35:39
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ah Extreme depictions of sex dropped into places constantly and unexpectedly outside of the storyline is my problem. That's all I'll say. One second.
00:36:06
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I just want to say to that point, though, is that any different than like a funny? I don't know. I don't remember the name of the move. There's a movie where Matthew McConaughey was a professional sports gambler like in the 90s or the and they did every fucking thing they could to show him with his shirt off. And it made no sense. The guy would be like, I think the Packers are going to beat the line and he'd like take his shirt off and start doing push ups. And it was it was so forced, but I'm sure women like to see him with his shirt off, right? And I think some of this is just like all that shit's forced like you like you're talking about, but it it is what they do.
00:36:45
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it's Yeah, it's what they do. It's what they do. And I think that it can come across it for the LGBTQ part of it as unnecessary. i wonder like that In the lesbian community, I wonder if women are like, yeah, that's of those people are having a lot more action than we ever are. like Every scene is on the brink of of a sexual experience. you know Right. It's like, damn.
00:37:11
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uh wow i don't find any girls that look like that where i live uh yeah right right that are lesbians but um whatever like you know it is hollywood you know you put on you're not going to put on like pound people with ugly lesbians hedge your bets a little bit but i don't so you think maybe you do agree it's a little for you you agree with some of the take like this feels a little forced at this point on that front I think so too, but i don't of course I don't watch as much shit as as some people. so But every everything has a gay character now, and that's just the way it is. that there's Almost anything has a gay character, except for Yellowstone. Yeah. Well, it doesn't bother me as much, especially when I hear those statistics. It doesn't bother me as much the statistics of people who are identifying as this.
00:38:02
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it's it's It doesn't bother as much as the race thing and the the race thing for me really feels like ah virtue signaling and where it's like now to show a white family in a banking commercial is a sin. It's a mortal sin yeah and you you definitely feel that. ah which I can get with the, we're shifting the race here clearly, but I can get with ah the idea that like, yeah, for a long time, you didn't you didn't see these people in commercials, you didn't see Latinos, you didn't see Asians, African-Americans, and there's a ah version of payback. But for every corporation essentially to adopt this all at once,
00:38:46
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And for every movie to feel like, you know, they have to do this in what I think is like a tokenized way. It's just not a realistic way. Right. Because how many and again, this is sensitive stuff, but like how many African-Americans have you met that talk like, hey, fella, like they're often depicted in like a a banking commercial or insurance commercial?
00:39:10
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I get more annoyed with that. with that it It does feel super forced at the race level. And I want to be sensitive to people's desire to to have representation. Again, if you're going to have black people on screen and they're just sidekicks or you're going to have Asian people on screen and they're just sidekicks, that's a problem. But like ah you go back to the business model too, are people craving and I buy people, I mean white people.
00:39:35
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Are they craving and or willing to sit through a show that they feel like is too racial? i was If I was a mixed race person out there right now, I guess my kids are technically sort of mixed race. I'd fucking run to Hollywood, run the advertising, you'd be a billionaire. Like if you got a ah like a ah black parent or white parent and you're like you're like you're made for TV commercials in the US like you're like that safe sort of noncommittal to a race so you have like a Filipino dad and a black mom or but you're like go get them tiger go make your money because they're gonna depict you in a in a commercial right like I I think that's where we're gonna be probably not that long maybe a hundred two hundred years but we're all gonna look like
00:40:16
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like the melting pot idea, but. Yeah, maybe. There must be, I mean, they don't do anything without a reason. There's like probably a studies of what's more palpable. What's like, what can people digest? What look can people digest? And and there must be a thing that like a person that has a few different ethnicities in them and their look is is something that people can like absorb the message better, something like that.
00:40:39
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Well, like a Vanessa Williams, if you remember that her, she was singer model and she was half like these hat straight hair or yeah. Rashida Jones. Uh, yeah, there you go. Well, listen, we can, we can remember their names 25 years later. It probably worked, but, uh,
00:40:57
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Yeah, but that's a way to soften into sort of racial acceptance. Maybe, I don't really know. Well, that's more on the advertising. I see that also like on the cover of college brochures. You always got like eight different people that are best friends and like. Yeah, come on. It's so funny. But I don't mind it. It's aspirational. It's aspirational. I do mind it. I think it's fake. I think it's fake as fuck. That is fake. But what's the other option, just constantly putting All right, there's 90% white people in the US, so we got to put nine white people and then other. like We have to represent like all that? I don't know, but I think that these people in these these boardrooms are using words like, well, we don't want to be seen as perpetuating the white status quo. Is there a way that you always are like, just find the best person?
00:41:50
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whatever they are, just find the best person for it. Don't don't be conscious of race or or sexuality ever. Just find the best person for the story. Well, we do have some structural racism in the country that like, oh, I'm sorry. Sorry, right wingers. I said it. Yep. There were some things that happened in our country that make it harder for people of non-white racists to rise.
00:42:12
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like long-term cycles right that yeah still affect people. But like there's a great movie that depicted some of this. like ah It's called American Fiction. Did you see it? It's about a black dude that's ah like a professor who's a very intellectual author.
00:42:27
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Did you see this? I did not see it. Okay, but it's a good one to mention because the whole point of the movie is he's seeing these exaggerated versions of ah black stories and black people take on huge success. And so he ultimately, his books aren't selling.
00:42:45
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because they're real stories. And he ultimately succumbs to writing this essentially joke or fake story about a black gangster and pretending it's his life, really embellished, and the book skyrockets. And what I- It's kind of poking fun at the system a little bit, right? Yeah. He was poking fun, and then he's shocked to realize he's a New York Times bestseller. His book's flying off the shelves. And then he has to decide if he keeps that identity or not, or something like that.
00:43:16
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Yeah, exactly. That's the movie. It's a great movie and it's it's a great tale of society. And and that this is where I can kind of go, well, what are you bitching about, Lance? ah you You're seeing a normal family who happens to be of color of a different race on a commercial as opposed to the exaggerated version that is probably not helpful for any race.
00:43:39
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Snoop Dogg is an example. like people love snoop The whites love Snoop. Snoop is an exaggerated person ah representation of a human being in of itself, but he's also, to me, an exaggerated version of a black dude.
00:43:51
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it's like It's way over the top. He's a character. He's 100% a character. He's a total character, but that's what we're all looking for. I mean, it's very confusing. It's confusing to know what's real. That's it. So Snoop, I like the...
00:44:08
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When we grew up, when Snoop got popular and got popular in the white suburbs, his music, his his music was pretty hard ass back then. It certainly wasn't something that you're going to be like, I'm going to play this with my parents. It was an outlier, right? But young young boys definitely gravitate to that, the language, everything, white or black.
00:44:30
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But he was talking, you know, most of the songs are about doing drugs, killing people, disrespecting women. If if you really break down the lyrics, right? Yeah, fucked up. And now he's a cultural, eye he's the probably the number one pitch man beside the Manning family and in the US, besides Peyton Manning. Like, he pitches everything. Is that Kelsey brothers? yeah Yeah, the Kelsey brothers, right? Like, it's fine. It's fine with me. And I know they're just kind of speaking to like probably three generations because his music expand a few generations and people just know him. Like,
00:45:01
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should you be like wait a minute dude that guy said a lot of bad shit back in the 90s or is it like oh this is a good story this is a cross like almost like a crossover story well interestingly i think the the white people love snoop yeah they do they just like truly love him they like he's a true icon yeah i bring it up because it's like everything he did would be like what maybe the writer some or older generation or a church generation like a christian might look at his as as a bad influence on society, but he seems to be universally loved. Like he got out of that for some reason, some about him that like people don't put him, like put him in that group. But it's not long ago that he was kind of laying the, laying the groundwork for what we call gangster rap, you know? Right. But somehow motherfuckers hate Alan Iverson. Exactly. I don't know if it's a context thing or, you know, as an athlete, you've got to be. Right, right, right.
00:45:56
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straight and you just gotta, you gotta have it pinned down. but And then to the the whole point of the conversation is like, I, we also, I don't get the idea that like Snoop is being forced on us for some reason, but the, the overriding thing like race and sexuality is being forced on us.
Corporate Diversity and Authenticity
00:46:12
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Like.
00:46:13
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he He kind of, he got eight he doesn't, no one bitches about him that way, i don't I don't think. But like, so do you feel like the race and putting race into situations where they wouldn't before is is being forced on us? Like some people think the LGBTQ, whatever community, LGBTQ.
00:46:32
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q t My guess is in at the advertising agencies and um my feeling in the advertising agencies of the world and in the movie making companies of the world, you are seeing more fake representations of diversity. And let's just go through some statistics here. Like in America, 58% of people are white, 12% are black, 6% age and 19% Latino, 4% mixed race and 1% other Native Americans, whatever.
00:47:01
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and That Latino should be pissed because you don't don't see they them representing that as much, do you? I mean, they're out there, but yeah, no, they're tokenized as well. like It's like this fast talking comedic comedic character sometimes. ah But and somebody did some statistics. I forget the article here, but Asian speaking roles jumped from 3.4% to 15.9%.
00:47:27
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speaking roles like ah sad that they did that statistic and then black actors it stayed fairly flat 13% to 13.4% and Latino actors 3.3% to 5.2% so in this scenario given the statistics I just gave you Asians are way overrepresented given their the population of the US not saying that that's how it has to work blacks are um right on target a little bit over And then Latinos are way, way underrepresented. Right. Way underrepresented. I think that's because they're not as good a actors.
00:48:08
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Eva Longario will say different, Matt. Yeah. um Yeah. I don't know. Are they is the they complaining about that? I mean, they're probably going to be a wave of anti-Latino sort of ideas in the US.
00:48:25
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is Well, yeah, I think that they're, I don't know that they are as compelled as people think by like the, the left wing. Well, the clearly not from a political perspective, this, this election season, they're just not, it they're just a little more, uh, flexible in their thinking as a group of people. So maybe they just don't bitch about it enough. It's, I feel like a lot of race related stuff becomes a black or white issue because I don't know if Asians are bitching about as much either, right? Well, but I mean, there was some momentum there. There was some momentum for a while. And it's hard to know how that major jump happened. But there's some, ah like you said, I mean, there's some great shows. I love the sitcom, Kim's Convenience. And and that sounds stupid. You know, anybody listening to this who is batshit left, as I'm calling out Asian shows that I like, they would troll me. But
00:49:22
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What you are asking the populace to do is to take a minority ah representation and make it appeal across the masses. That's what you're asking the business to do effectively. And it does make sense that there would be less when the populace of a certain race is less overall. It's logic, it's like business logic.
00:49:43
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It's a confusing thing. I've been, I watch, lot you know, I like college football. So I watch, ah I watch like pirated streams a lot. So I, so I just get to see commercials from the U S and, uh, it's, it's crazy. Like if you don't, if you don't have access to American commercials for a while, and then you get back in it, like, especially around the political cycle, but it's, it's pretty weird. I mean, they're like well-produced quality wise compared to what you get here and and all that stuff. But it's like.
00:50:13
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it's It's, I don't know, it's just very strange. I mean, everyone's talked about the the amount of pharmaceutical commercials like insane, but even in those commercials, the melting pot aspect of it is like, I mean, it's universal. It is. Yeah. Would you be more comfortable if it was 58% of the people in the commercial were white? I don't, I don't know. I just don't know what to think about it. I know since that was our mission was to not have that as the answer. I don't know, but I don't know if it matters to me either way.
00:50:44
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Like, I just know that there's probably someone out there who knows that, hey, there's probably a lot of people like me that don't really give a fuck. And then because of that, it's like, well, let's try to include the other group that might give a fuck because we know these other white people don't really care.
00:50:58
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Like I don't know if white people really are really, like there's not, you think there's a lot of people are like, I'm tired of all these mixed race people in my insurance commercials. I don't know if anyone cares. Fuck yeah, there are. You think? Cause I was going to say maybe not as white people don't care, but then there might be a a minority who's like, Oh, well I look represented there. I'm going to give this.
00:51:16
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this business a shot. I don't know. Maybe that's what we're after. Maybe, yeah. But do I mean, you don't get a sense that a huge percentage of the people that voted for Trump i'll have a bit of a bigotry. It's like you could call it bigotry, or then you can say they they they think that there's no bigotry, but they're pushing back against this, what they feel is being force fed, these all this stuff. This woke stuff. Yeah. Okay.
00:51:44
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and I think the commercial industry is a different ballgame, but I wonder, like do you feel that black black and and Asian and Latino like characters and themed like theme where it's like the whole cast is is this particular race, that's like too much of that now or you think it's it's fine? Good for them. Well, no, I watch a lot of that because I do. i mean Right. But just probably because it's unique and interesting, right? Exactly. Because it's unique and the storylines are new and different in a lot of cases. So, so yeah, no, I'm not. It's not like I'm sitting here going, fuck that shit. and I need to see whites. I need the whites. No, I enjoy some. I enjoy that. Not now. When it's again, it's like a caricature of a real person. I'm not that interested. But the commercials are different story. The commercials are corporations succumbing to
00:52:42
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ah pressure, DI pressure, and to me taking it overboard. and And it's annoying at times that they have to show, they have they have to show this melting pot version of a world that none of us really see. Because what what we have essentially in our country is is segregation in terms of how people hang out with each other. Very few of us are living in a melting pot like world, like I would like to.
00:53:11
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That'd be great, but um dude, I don't know. I've seen one black dude walking around my neighborhood. Call the cops. I have a feeling like, I mean, you, you, maybe you don't, you're not in this melting pot, but you've always been like, ever since I've known you, even in high school, you had, you were, you have friends of definitely, you're definitely friends of black dudes. Um,
00:53:33
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And maybe a few, few, uh, Latin dudes, cause a lot of Latin people and I don't know what you call it. Mexican people in Denver and a lot of people have roots in central America. Friends with all those people. I don't care. But, um, I would say we almost have to take it because I have a feeling for those people.
00:53:52
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it probably is a big deal. Like you and I, I don't know, do you identify, it probably is a big deal for them to see, I mean, you always hear people in the black community saying it's it's good for young black men, young black women to see a different person than just the hustler that's doing well or the athlete that's doing well. It's good for them to see other shit. So they realize that's possible.
00:54:13
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And so I think even if some of the stuff is force fed, it's probably something you just have to take and you can choose not to watch it, but it's like, all right, until that we don't, until we, that message is obvious. I was having this conversation with a friend the other night. I was like, the real issue, like you go to the hood, like when I lived in St. Louis and you're kind of looking at these people and like, what are you doing? Like you're treating your kids like shit. You talk to them bad. You're ah throwing trash on the street and you're like, but the message of like, you suck and you, you're not going to get anywhere is so,
00:54:41
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it's been It's been put in that those communities for so long. that to that they they don't We look at them and go, you can do whatever you want in the US, right? And you can get out of it pretty easily. And I think that's true, but they're not hearing that message from their kids. So I think some of these messages, ah even if it's like just seeing Will Smith do his horrible jokes on on movies where every everything is like a one-liner, like, looks like you just had a bad day, alien. um like I guess for a young black kid, even that is probably better than like,
00:55:11
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It's at least they see it. And if it was Tom Cruise, maybe it doesn't resonate as much. So I don't know. I'm i'm just thinking out loud right now. I don't know if I like, but I think from that perspective, it's probably good. And until that it's so obvious to everyone that you can you can do whatever you want in that country, then you might might need to just deal with it. ah Yeah, ah you're absolutely right. It's not the fact that I ah see people of color and go, what?
00:55:38
Speaker
What? it's going down yeah It's more of I hate the idea that some boardroom corporation is sitting there figuring out ways to profit and on the backs of virtue signaling and sort of not well thought out DEI practices or they they don't even live what they talk and that they're just like displaying this to fit in with the zeitgeist. That bothers me and that's mainly what bothers me. It's not necessarily that I see somebody of a different race or somebody that identifies
00:56:18
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different sexually. um There is though, to your point, you do need to get used to seeing these things. I'm getting more used to seeing transgendered folks and i now it's like, it's no big deal, right? At first it's sort of like this, I'm seeing folks out in my world, right? And I'm like, it's not a big deal. So there is an element to that, that I fully acknowledge. I just hate, if you look at the gay pride parade, it's like hijacked by corporations now.
00:56:46
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It's hijacked by corporate America and all of that. We support gay rights. It's all sort of a disgusting thing. Yeah. Yeah. It's a business. It's business doing what business does. And I find it to be laughable and that's all I'm upset about. And then I'm upset about the extreme sexual depictions of straight and gay sex. So there you go. That's all dude. Freacher man, dude. Yeah.
00:57:14
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Yeah, ah a little bit of it feels like just because you did it, you did it to not get in trouble. Like, that's what makes it not feel that authentic. I think it's like you did it so no one can tell you that you don't have a equal representation, not not as a positive way of like, let's, let's try and lift everybody up. And sometimes it feels like it's forced. It's not a positive thing. It's just so you're not doing a negative. Yeah, exactly. So I think too, like, I mean, I don't even Let's just say that the gay community is like, fuck you. I'm i'm glad these people are in there. If you feel forced, kiss my ass. I don't mind that they they would support as much gay interaction as possible because you made fun of me, but I'm guilty of it too. Like I will be, I'll tune in if I see a white guy who's a good wide receiver or a good tailback or a good basketball player. Even more so if he's fucking Italian. I'm like, this is great, man. I love it. Like,
00:58:11
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because I identify about as much as ah with Djokic, like he's a Serbian guy that probably, he's pretty young, but might've had to go through a civil war about as much as I do is, you know, some Alan Iverson, or some dude who came out of the hood. Like, I don't know, we're like, we can claim Luca Doncic and Djokic and all these Serbian, former Yugoslavian Republic countries that are cranking out all these great white athletes, but they've been through shit that you and I don't understand, you know?
00:58:41
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And we don't identify with them, but the regardless is wait we take up for, we all take up for our own people. So I don't mind if people are like, I like, you know, a black person's like, I like big mama's house. It's like,
00:58:54
Speaker
Don't try and sell me on Big Mama's House as as it was a critically acclaimed community, please. Tyler tyler tyler Perry's Big Mama's House? No. Did you ever get that, like, hang out with black people that talk about, what is it, White Chicks is like a like the greatest, funniest movie ever?
00:59:11
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No, but barbershop, they act like barbershop is Schindler's list in terms of quality of movie. and i would go I love the fact that you're supporting your people, but come on, dude. But it's a great debate, and we should be able to fuck around with our black friends, and they should be able to call us crackers, and I don't fucking care. Dude, I love... that black culture.
Personal Reflections on Diversity
00:59:30
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It's one that i resonates with me. It's always been entertaining. It's funny. It's one I like to do satire around. And I've just enjoyed that depiction. It's got a warm place in my heart, as does the overly feminine gay dude that's like super flamboyant. It's fucking funny to me. It's ah it's a representation I've grown used to.
00:59:58
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And like, I don't know if those are real. And I, but I do, I guess they're just important depictions in my life. You know, but you know, what might have happened? Like, what, if that's like, i what came first, right? Like, yeah, did, were people acting like that? Or then did do people, or did people see that like we did, but then embraced it? Like the black community wanted it to be a little more like Snoop or was everyone like Snoop back in, you know, ah you see like Guido fucking,
01:00:24
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greaseball Italians that think they're they're Don Corleone. this like You saw that depicted on TV. If you ever met a real mobster, like you it's not quite as romantic. you know And so i want what comes first, right? like you yeah yeah that I mean, I'm sure there are flamboyant gay guys, but they they probably that was seen ah I wouldn't be surprised if that character was seen on screen. And then it was like, oh, I can kind of make that my identity and and make this like I'm out and proud and then took it ran with it. Yeah. I don't know. I just, I find it enjoyable. I've been criticized for so trying to sound black over the, over my life, dude, but it's not, but on that spectrum of what you're drawn to, ah what you say, like the black entertainment, is it like, where is it? Like boys, the hood. I mean, I look at some of his, is like, I'm like, oh man, like too bad that the world had to live with bell bib, the bow.
01:01:19
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but but like where on the spectrum are you drawn to? Just just the general shit talking and the style the style of like calling bullshit. Like you you see black people in entertainment if you know they they see if they're appealing are often more of like, man, fuck that. you know That kind of vibe is what I love. I love the the black comedian and I love you know, that whole thing. I just love it. It definitely being the minority in that sense gives them the license to to what to be an observer and talk as much shit as they want. Right? Which maybe that's what I like you like. Yeah. Yeah, maybe that's right. Like Chris Rock. I mean, I know Chappelle's gotten in trouble, but he's been defended because of it like Chris Rock really has a lot of social commentary through the years that's
01:02:09
Speaker
Pretty intense that maybe you couldn't get away with, but he can and because and he's so brilliant that because of because he's in the minority group, he's got license to really, really expose bullshit in his own community and outside of it. That's probably what you like.
01:02:24
Speaker
Yeah, I do. But I, you know, I'll never relate to John Mulaney in a comedic sense like I would to somebody like Chris Rock. um as my son does It doesn't fit for me in the same way. It's not like, Oh, sweet. Uh, anyway, I want to get that out, dude. Cause I want motherfuckers to know I ain't a Trumpian right wing banger. There's stuff you relate to.
01:02:50
Speaker
Yes, sir. Even though it's being forced on you. But you're gay, Matt. I've always known that. These motherfuckers crazy.