Ralf Linde's Career Transition
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Today's guest is Ralf Linde. Hello. Ralph, you tell me what you want to do? Yes, Ralph Linde, I'm the manager of the Volkswagen AG, I've been leading the entire field of the field years, since October not anymore. Since October I'm out of the active working phase at Volkswagen.
Innovative Education Model at School 42
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At the time I'm still president of the software school, the school, as you always call it, 42 Wolfsburg Berlin. does This is a construct. The 42 is a
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And the special thing about this is that there are no teachers, no teachers, no classes. Also a school, you wish. It's a very successful school. The students leave the school with a regular basis of a fixed job.
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They learn software 42 heißt die Schule, weil abgelehnt, ich weiß nicht, ob du den Film kennst, bei Anhalter durch die Galaxis, da fragt man ja den Computer, in
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I'm very happy and happy that I'm going to be the president. It makes much fun to develop this school. It's a um it um hol Yes, maybe Lyriker, Schriftsteller.
Reflections on Life and Transformation
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Sorry. I have to go back to the people who write, Schriftsteller. So,
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The places on the signs are not more. The way mark without meaning. and not really i can the author often children i just snied me out big martin orni bidotu Alte Passagen sind verschlossen, Gewohntes endet an Abbruchkanten, Gewissheiten verwelken, bevor neue erblühen.
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Verheißungsvoll zeichnet sich der Neubeginn ab, erregt Unruhe unter den Sesshaften, verwandelt Refugien in winddurchlässige Unterstände und der Fortschritt baut eine Straße ins All.
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The front of the sky goes in the transit.
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Their spires are in
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aifra zesh vairt Transformation, that's very important to me. think that's a change in the company. I think that's a big deal.
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got upla a course now yeah english just come and in and i'm very startup can also feed and be and ghost comes
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was mal war, weil wir alle die Mühsal dieser Transformation irgendwie anstrengend finden und das nicht leicht ist, findest du immer den Widerstand, du findest immer den...
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Also, all are very in Widerstand, in the loss of what is not so, in the way that is And is very abrupt. And you have to solve What comes in the book also in the book, what I is of often is. Often it says, come back with the old stuff, we need something new.
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And that works not only because we hang there, but because it also has meaning for what comes. um they're saying findish our spanish niish imanutzura was calm So not what comes, but also sometimes to ask and what actually remains. read a second verse, which has a of transformation to do. It says, what is was, was. At the beginning was it was, a Ereignis.
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Bis ich es fühlte, da verwandelte es sich in ein Erlebnis. Als ich später daran dachte, wurde es zu einer Erinnerung. Indem ich anderen davon erzählte, entstand eine Geschichte.
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Meine Geschichte, die irgendwann so wahrhaftig klang, dass ich sie für die Ereignisse hielt.
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I ask myself, if the stories, the ones that tell actually their experiences in the world.
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I must strongly think about wild reasons, which tell what it is not, and sometimes, sometimes but not. my my man when That's what you tell them.
The Power of Storytelling
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That's one aspect. What you tell them, what you tell them, is that a important aspect.
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ah so max friha ma gushrib ergvan offended yeda and negotiated de fuzan lemeeld And that's so, you see the your real story.
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does see you reallyate for guest on st diner at etc negotiated for you shape ah Sometimes it's good to think about it really so. If you were really heroically I, or if story was so positive. ah the stnatilish orangish of in untanimm the offend a ergvan And in
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And from the Ereignis to the story is a long way. And he has perhaps at the end nothing more with the Ereignis.
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Yes, then I'll see what I can do next. I can do one more page. um The text, Leben in Skalen.
Critique of Social Media Culture
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Werten. Pausenlos. Ich finde, ich denke, ich sehe, abschließend nach eingehender Betrachtung.
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Prüfen. Das dargestellte Erfassen geläufige Indizien aus Anklängen zusammengesetzt. Unnötig, es offen zu lassen, sortiert naheliegend, mit Sicherheit zutreffend.
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Sie ist, er hat, ihr werdet. Kein Zweifel. Ein geschulter Blick auf das Wesentliche. Das andere? Irrelevant.
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Eine Fata Morgana. Flimmernd. Nie Moment der Eindeutigkeit. Urteilen. Einwandfrei. Fünf. Vollidiot.
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Glänzend. Nicht irisierend. Nicht vage. Kein Anfang. Durchs Nadelöhr geht nur ein Faden.
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Da muss ich sehr stark an die Social Media Gesellschaft denken. Ja, weil auch ständig bewertet wird, oder? Und warum ist die Person jetzt dann schöner wie ich oder besser oder reicher oder hat einen schöneren Urlaub, was auch immer.
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Ja, stimmt. Das ist in Social Media extrem verbreitet. Also auch dieses schnelle Urteil, geliked, nicht geliked und Gewischt und nicht gewischt. Also man ist gewohnt, schnell Urteile zu fällen. Und das ist so, dass das auch tragischerweise bei Entscheidungen so passiert. Also dass man in Und das ist halt oft zu schnell.
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Und dieses Werten führt einfach dazu, dass wir fast nichts tun. had no trial or the una penishan chouns and understand the real fazu relativena auto's of um on much my scottish notation order tofer much my flight of good was often named um does thin solesen orderdaha to gave my lives on you and and the aa of that so ah de was friendish ne author to game and ah de was on super vo for com a positive kingdom would sustain and tamitlavi fahina manphilis was no interesting but
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So, yeah, now I'll see you I
Communication and Perception in Organizations
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Yeah, we'll take that. That's communication. That's something that... was uns allen sehr nahe liegt. Das machen wir den ganzen Tag. Das ist Seite 29. Kommunikation.
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Vorläufig. Vorläufig nennen wir es so. Bis uns etwas Besseres einfällt. Etwas, das die Menschen nicht verängstigt. Das genügend Spielraum lässt, wenn es anders kommt. Offen eben, flexibel.
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Hauptsache, niemand regt sich auf. Das können wir nicht brauchen. Leute, die sich aufregen. Wie es war, spielt keine Rolle. Wie wir es nennen, ist entscheidend. then it comes to the end, how we can formulate it, how we can understand it.
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That's what we can do, to the end, to the real, like a real thing. An the end of it cannot be false, a clear way of words.
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It's about the Holyness. First of all, just a work title, just so long, until the direction clear. We follow not the truth, we create them.
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I think that very strongly about the communication, that you And and
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but yeah does thisluvish anada was this for in room guard it does spherea imola and does the hierarchy or the people who have said in organizations, they know where it goes.
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they're speaking decommunic own And the you the life idea, where
The Pursuit of Happiness and Societal Influence
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it's going. Maybe more than the individual employees have that.
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And yes, I have so much said that. um Yeah, I like it, that's what's going on, on Seite 30.
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Yeah. What's going on?
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um and yeah vawi sign What will happen, if we have everything found out?
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The time, the one's going to drop off the earth and back in the sky. The frequency the swing, the thought of the other's going to swing.
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The experience of this moment, the difference between 1 and 2 being and 2 being. and friendly
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Is there always a heart that has another? I would
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assoziate that with a certain way. nevis but
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that happiness is not a or an basis, but rather the way there is a happiness. And when you come to happen or what will happen.
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So I would say that now. ah ah so The nice thing about the books is reads what he reads in it. In this way, it is the same thing.
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I can add one interpretation to it. We really try to always everything before. When I go to work, I look at Booking.com, how the results are.
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When I search for new partnership, look at a platform, people describe it.
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What they have on likes. When I buy a book, I'll see my own books. So this attempt to find everything out before it happens, takes something. It takes a bit of experience. And the question is, what still remains of the naturalness of human beings, if I can do everything, what I want to do. So a second interpretation would be a thousand other. But it would be possible.
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um dve um and bekeley Yeah, thing that you don't interpret, you don't have to worry about it. I'm going to read it. Tidenhub, Seite 56.
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Yeah, for the not on the coast, Tidenhub. Tidenhub. I'm in the water and waiting for the flood. Over me has the wind the clouds a little and little sky.
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Meine Fersen versinken im weichen Sediment.
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Ob mich das Gewicht des auflaufenden Wassers zu Boden drücken oder ob die Flut mich tragen wird. Der Schlick saugt sie mich an sich. Die Schreie der Möwen sind dumpf und fern, das Wasser läuft mir die Ohren.
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<unk>ia hipsis static la The light the will be the the back of the sea. My nose will be the last one that is from the water, like the snorchel of a tauch.
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I feel no longer a difference between me and the sea. It's all overflowing, everything tastes salzig. Wegen mir wird das Wasser nicht aufhören zu steigen.
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Wegen mir hat noch nie etwas aufgehört oder begonnen. Meine Augen brennen. Ich schließe die Lider, den Mund. Weit entfernt höre ich das Murmeln der See.
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Empfinde nur noch Licht und Schatten. Wenn euch die Nachricht erreicht, dann werdet ihr es bereuen, bitter bereuen. Eine kleine Welle schwappt über mein Gesicht.
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For a moment, the water is left, then the water is over me. The sea has taken, they say.
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<unk> isgo hold bads hes out
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Hopefully something that happens to us not happen. I'll you later. Maybe a And that's a song about couple.
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And palm and duka dishitized meet that Mit der Zeit. On the page 62.
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Mit der Zeit Die Gespräche waren früher deutlich länger, und ihr Lächeln war es manchmal auch. Die Umarmungen, sie waren etwas enger, damals hatte er noch keinen Bauch.
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lacht ein wenig überspannt. Langsam driften ihre Seelen auseinander, so weit, dass kein Wort das andere erreicht, wie ein ausgeleierter Expander, dem die Kraft aus seinen Bändern weicht.
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So vieles hat sie früher eng verbunden, auf die Feiertage hat man sich gefreut, so lautlos wie es kam, ist es verschwunden, ein jedes Ding hat eben seine Zeit.
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That's good experience. Maybe, but hopefully not. That's obvious. So, let's see what we could read again.
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often so sha my but ah wenochli is in clinton um
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Vielleicht lese ich das. Das ist ein Gedicht über mein Land. Es passiert ja viel in
Societal Norms and Change in Country
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Land. In meinem Land.
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In meinem Land haben die Säle eine Ordnung, wie die Kleider und jedes Baugebiet. In meinem Land kann man von anderen etwas erwarten, Ruhe nach Einbruch der Dunkelheit und Vorfahrt.
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In meinem Land hat Handwerk Tradition, Karneval und Tatortschauen am Sonntag. In meinem Land entsteht Wohlstand durch harte Arbeit, Fleiß und alle haben gleiche Chancen.
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In meinem Land herrscht Vernunft, nicht Annahmen, Ahnungen oder Gefühle, sondern Kalkulationen. In meinem Land wird alles leidenschaftlich sortiert, damit es am richtigen Platz ist.
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In my country belongs to middle, not to the front, but the edge, in my country. In my country laces people over comedians, not over others, especially not over themselves.
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In my for change.
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Gerne stellen wir alles in Frage, Außer uns.
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In Österreich würde man
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ah Vielleicht noch ein Gedicht, das auf Seite 27 steht und Kaizen heißt.
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We move a bit into the beginning of the book, because it's about Wandel transformation. The song is Kaizen. Everyone who works in the industry and who work with Dictionary and Effizienz and such as well.
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if it ends on social team good faout center me is Genau, schneller, besser, weiter. Und es ist deswegen nicht so
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Kaizen. Automatisierung des Selbst. Verwandlung in ein Zahnrad, in einen reibungslosen Teil der Maschine.
Metaphors of Adaptation and Improvement
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Gut geölte Gliedmaßen, kein Gedanke zu viel, funktionstüchtig.
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Überlebenskonzept der Monotonie. Lessons learned, Ausrufezeichen. Less earned, Ausrufezeichen. Le, net, Ausrufezeichen.
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L, D, Ausrufezeichen, Ausrufezeichen.
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Lang lebe der kurzzügliche Takt. Hoch die leeren Tassen.
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Der Karnevals-Tintenfisch kann sich in die verschiedensten Lebensformen verwandeln.
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Nur Tintenfisch zu sein, würde er nicht überleben. The Carnevals-Tintenfisch had time to develop these various clothes. He tried many variants tried to be again, so long, until this can be the best adapted to his world.
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zo langner this ah these are fash wenddog and merkleychite and deep bestta an pason and zenave for
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you I think very strongly about so much to improve, that then again nothing from the Ursprung is over. Yes, you are in a difficult situation, you have to interpret everything the same. We don't have to do it, but it's true. You can, there is this term of the term of death sparing, or when it is not over,
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skip distgraphphon toch band or and when but But I think that people already have to pay attention to that they don't really want to spend it all. But the question is, if you already invest in this process very strongly, if you invest in the Tintenfisch, also if you have enough changes in the processes, the Alpha-Stand, the Alpha-Stand, the Beta-Stand, the one will reach, where you will transform it. The question is, if you are in such crisis situation always on the Muster, which you can well see.
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That's the way people, individuals, but also organizations. And then one has a big transformation in such a big way, as efficiency and other spare parts, which are quite necessary. That's understand very well. On the other hand, you have to invest in the new and the new and the new environment. And I think that you forget that you often forget and just fall back into old Muster and that you make what you can do well.
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what it text to invest is yeah the so
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yeah um philite lis beor es
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Maybe we are actually going to read it. It's a song that you mentioned earlier. I read it in the last reading of the book. The Raum vor mir, Seite 14. I read it just once. There are so many books that you can interpret. They are so, as they are. And that's true.
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The Raum vor mir.
Existential Reflections on Life and Death
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Das Zimmer, in dem ich einmal sterben werde, gibt es schon.
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the of I am on this room to. Although nothing each we forget them. going to search I'm going on booking.com, it does there
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Yes, in my altering does the death in a written book not fehlen. Now I can all of them. had to store do of k social a commission ah like ah in none
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Vielleicht lese ich noch Der Mai. Das ist ein ungewöhnliches Gedicht, weil es so, ja, also ungewöhnlich zu vielleicht den Texten, die ich sonst geschrieben habe. Deswegen würde ich das noch lesen.
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Der Mai. Der Mai klatscht den Mohn auf die Wiesen und verpulvert die restlichen Farben aufs Gratewohl in der Landschaft. Ein Trommelwirbel für den Sommer.
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Während die Sonne die Knospen aus den Stängeln saugt, kann ich den Kopf nicht recken. Kein Lichtstrahl erreicht meine Herzkammer, kein Windhauch unter den Flügeln.
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Draußen wird es unerträglich üppig, alles sprießt, das Grün wächst mir über den Kopf. Diese Explosion der Säfte nur, um anschließend wieder auszutrocknen, Laub ist das, was bleibt und trockener Rasen.
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Bald hat die Haut Konjunktur, muss raus, braun werden wie Kastanienmännchen. Blass liegen dann als Hohlspiegel geöffnete Körper auf Liegewiesen, bis sie kross werden.
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Ich werde bleich bleiben. Null Krebsrisiko, null Bock auf diesen Sommer. Als wenn alles besser würde, weil es abends länger hell bleibt. Ich schwitze nachts anstatt zu schlafen. Ich mag es, wenn es früher dunkel wird.
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Ich werde auch im Herbst noch auf dich warten.
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This is anti-Sommer-Gedicht from
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ru laws actually obviously tri tried to target by gansfield initial yeah cool um
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Angelegenheiten in der Reihe, unruhig wartend, emsig, ausdrücklich lebendig. Die Unruh, schwingend, eingebaut im Werk, im Sinn, konstant zweckmäßig.
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Not der Tätigen, existieren durch Ergebnis, die Verwendung bemessener Zeit. Geschehen lassen, ohne einzuwirken, verschwendet, unnütz, im Vergleich untätig.
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Angst vor Leere. Vor dem, was ist, wenn nichts ist. Vor mir. Treibstoff des Rastlosen.
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I think that's for me very good. I was always very rastless. you shouldang penish can and rimon of aba yeah for sciencewa and and um um mana its a name level is was the a oramish fromunye ah im vamar it game and d ding apacy andulas one but finish cancerva hand and of my white bas shivallet yeah I a and team. film and for tu but no manha on start of feel kissundra andfi aal takegaakkin qta yeah one this mean it's the alfgar um al suun khan And
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That people, who everything in the middle of the world, want to have a lot things for everything, what's going on. um mentioned the aim griffhar boyy ocus na of allin fu pere ah And that the people who don't decide to decide, they can't decide anyway.
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And that trust, when you let it go, that permanent befasst, is something that can be done in the organization sometimes. Or that you can act in the organization. manishal um keten spring daughter kafel lu dan a againen yeah un else theres onelaish learned in doesn manish might your p will ins of handwriting mla gi as symbolba sp if your always posts you on order default hold to order that doesn't the name and yeah elephantiessa even in afghanistansfield paian kindly have allromons of rual from the ris um ah past man was piu there if alic man cycle and and ben manam with the io angryga communist so it Yeah.
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Yeah, then you've managed to achieve it. Maybe you've started to start, not working to do it, but then maybe not. then you're not alone you don't know why.
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Yes, if it's and then you're only on Instagram and look at what it's in your stories. And you're already nervous because you're at the end of the day eastern stonere um was mata so um plants asia a I so müßig. That can't be done.
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And in this way, the society million points influence, with which can deal with morning to morning. And that's the story with the Angst vor Stille or the Angst vor me.
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If you don't have time to meet yourself, because you're constantly meeting others, then that's not happening. so that's also a bit a of But
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The book is called And I.
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Often I don't know what I want. Then find out what you want and feel overgrown.
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I have the experience that to a do.
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And this song about the men, I found it really cool. About the men, wait, that's called KI Männlich. Yeah,
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I have discovered new functions. For example, I am now in the way, from me to see myself. Ich kann die Dinge also nicht mehr nur aus meiner Perspektive sehen, sondern auch aus jeder anderen.
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Vielleicht ein männliches Phänomen, dass wir die Welt nicht gerne aus anderen Augen sehen. Ja, und vielleicht abschließend noch ein einst, I like this. We have to not interpret it.
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It says Caribou is on Seite 99.
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Heut Nacht, also Caribou. Heut Nacht traf ich im Traum ein Caribou. Es stand vor mir und starrte mich mit seinen großen braunen Augen an.
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Hey, sagte ich, Karibu, was willst jetzt du? Es sagte nichts und starrte nur. In Karibu-Augen kann man tief sinken, so tief, dass man Angst bekommt, nie wieder aufzutauchen.
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Hey du, sagte das Karibu, lass mich in Ruhe. Ich bin ich bin ein Gnu. Dann war es weg. Ich war untröstlich.
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nichts zum Interpretieren.
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Und das heißt Trauer. Und das ist ja was, was man, das merke ich gerade in meinem Alter, erlebt man das natürlich mit with more and it was Trauer.
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A sea full of words. one can swim. countryman
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It's not that have to read it at the end of the book. So much to read this book, doesfeli is a target um and the want to know why the title is so, will probably... I would also like to ask you, how you came to general? You were really a top manager at Bobbeth. How did you go in this direction?
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Also es ist so, dass ich ja irgendwann mal studiert habe in
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The second point was the word speech therapy, also therapy with Stotter, Stammler Afasik. Those who have after a hearing loss. And the third point, which has always been interested in and took care of myself, was Lyric and Prosa. I had also Prüfungen in Lyric. It was a very interesting study. And to that time I started writing and I wrote everything I had in my life and had to write everything I had to do with. So little bit from my not. I often wrote in situations where I was unangelying, which brought me to my not. I wrote something that I could not tell you it.
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So I started writing about life through a lot, and writing texts, which have changed the years. But also wrote in changes in the time. In the time I worked, the topics changed. ah in my office zone by foxwa um th sayi can speak shri as a describe for is na tuliit that side as well um i ah inhaley andswa and the a at the top hamsi naturity team fan But the In doesn't write.
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but i fear funfrey zichaim and and de alsomanra snishir So that's just changing the time. But the feeling that my life is easier to write, when I write something of something that I'm doing, I've been writing all life. And I always had to say, if I stop working on, then I'd only write. And now super happy that this works and yeah and um up be superfo but foun yeah ah Yes, very good. That resonates very strongly with mia ishle me. of saphilima them all um kany buttita I digital, meetings, when you're already already already on the website.
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This white paper and de mani charloton was a that but to build what you think and what you think is right now. That's for me very, very, very valuable, that you have a certain degree. And that you can also consolidate certain things and collect.
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a connection and a clarity. When you talk about it, there is a book about about the spoken and written words. And it's so that you can't write very clearly. While you can still remain in the nebulously, it's something that also explains the own process. Many Schriftsteller write, that they have fear. I've read it once again. That's not the case. sit in this blank paper and I often see something.
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that keep mihaniso a a is it buddhism leam blood papio and mied ofttraine And often I I can also make a lot of fear.
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Because there is something good to write, what you like to do, that can one then under pressure.
Poetry in Technology
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Thank you, Ralph, for the reading. yeah it Yeah, thank you, that you invited me. I'm excited, what you do with it.
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Zustände. Neulich traf ich einen chinesischen Forscher, der Geräusche sammelt. Die Geräusche einer Maschine.
00:40:30
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Er fand elektrisches Surren, rhythmisches Zwitschern, magnetisches Rauschen und Schlupfgeräusche. Aufmerksam lauschte er ihre Arbeit und erstellte Prognosen zu ihrer Lebensdauer.
00:41:01
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Er hörte ihr zu, wie man einem Menschen zuhört, und er redete mit ihr, obwohl sie nicht antwortete. Als wir uns voneinander verabschiedeten, stand er neben ihr, die Hand auf der Abdeckhaube, und lächelte mir nach.
00:41:20
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Poesie ist nur eine Frage der Zeit.
00:41:31
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Yeah, a homage to that, regardless how technical your work is, you can fill it up so that you can fill it up in the end. ah So like with this researcher, who I actually met with a and his machine.