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Scientist to Weapon, Poet to Prince, and a Kingdom to Copper
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Looking at the Characters of S. A. Chakraborty's Kingdom of Copper through the lens of archetypes. Join Mary and Carolina as they delve a little deeper into this magnificent fantasy book! Let us know what books you'd like us to visit in the comments!
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Introduction to 'Mythic Mirror' Podcast
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What if the chosen one is compromised? What if the charming prince doesn't want to be? What if the savior becomes the
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Welcome to Mythic Mirror, the podcast for lovers of fantasy who want to live deep and magical lives. I'm your host, Mary C. Kehoe. And I'm your co-host, Carolina
Character Focus and Archetypes in Kingdom of Copper
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Carter. So today we're slowing down a little bit with Kingdom of Copper and focusing on the characters in the lens of archetypes. ah we We wanted to give everyone else a chance to catch up. We got some comments back that we were just reading too quickly and people were we're getting left behind. So today we're we're diving into archetypes.
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Carolina, you want to start us off? Yeah, um so i kind of want to start off with where we find each of these characters within their archetype in Kingdom of Copper. So starting off with our heroine, Nari, is trapped within this gilded cage. You know, she is trapped within the city of Devabad. She is trapped in her marriage to Muntadir.
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Ghassan has her essentially... chained in every possible way you can be. Whereas Ali, conversely, has been rejected. He has been exiled. He is out in the wilderness and cannot come back to Devabad. And then you have Dara, who is somewhere out in the in-between. He is neither exiled nor trapped. He is neither living nor dead. He is just othered. This is all my opinion, by the way. It's not...
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A literary course. um And then you have Ghassan, the ruler, who I feel like oscillates very much. um You know, if you're to look at the archetype of ruler, that is, in my opinion, the biggest variable swing where on the one hand you can have a character like Aslan or what's another good example? king arthur King Arthur. And then you can have the other side, which is the tyrant, the white witch.
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And Ghassan seems to... oscillate between these two in whether he's dealing with his kingdom or his children where you can see this benevolent loving leader inside of him but his actions only speak to that of a tyrant So this is the grand overviewing arch of the archetypal characters.
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Who do you want to dive into first?
Exploring Ghassan's Motivations and Devabad's Identity
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I was going to say Nari, but since you just ended with the king, now I have all all these thoughts about the king. so let's go with Kassan. I wrote this question down because he always says...
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He chooses Devabad above everything else. Right. And as you keep going in the books, you're like, okay, so your children aren't Devabad. You know, Devabad over children. Devabad over Shafet. Devabad Devas.
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Devabad over your own tribe. You know, the... When Ali meets the his own tribe in the desert, they are, you know, they talked about his family like tyrants and, you know, they talk about, oh, I i imagine coming to the city, but I thought it would be with an army. know they They think if they're coming, it'll be rebellion. Yeah.
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So you begin to wonder, what is Devabad to him? When we see Devabad again, it's it's dirty. It's run down. It's not taken care of. The guards all have, you know, and yes, there's economic issues.
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trouble at hand, but he still has enough money to be feasting the nobles. So who, who is Devabad?
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What is he sacrificing everything for? Right. And you also see how how much he's aged in Ali's absence, how much it that has killed him. And even when there's, and spoiler, people who haven't read the book, even when there's an attempt on Ali's life,
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He that ages him as well. Nari says it looks like that has aged him. It's like this this betrayal of his son is a betrayal of self and it is sucking the life out
Nari's Fractured Role and Political Struggles
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of him. So that, like you said, begs the question, what is Devabad to him and what is he really saving? no I don't know. That's why I asked you. Yeah, I don't either. i don yeah I truly don't know.
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And ah because whatever he's fighting for, he's fighting for it viciously. but I can't figure out what it is. And he thinks that everyone else is against him. He uses everyone, he controls everyone, and he thinks that everyone has the worst motive except for his children. When you finally meet Ali and his sister's mom...
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i I really like her. um And I don't know if i do too if ah she seems to be the most honest out of all of them so far. And and we've been brought to believe and the boys have been brought up to believe that she's this conniving, her family is always manipulating everything and And the first time you meet her, she's telling Ali to go talk to her, to go talk to his brother. And it's only going to get worse if you don't. And you can help him. you don't need to be his his weapon in order to still help him. right
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and And then you hear it from other people's, or you see other people's perspectives thinking she's trying to split them up and and cause a civil war. and and she says herself that so, she she thinks the king has slipped. She thinks he's no longer a good king and something needs to change, but she wants to do it without bloodshed. Can you imagine one person is in this book, her and Nari, they don't want bloodshed. everybody else is just killing people.
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Yeah, or planning on So you just said Nari. So going into Are you ready to talk about
Potential Alliances for Peace and Honesty
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Nari? Yeah. Nari is fascinating to me because of how seemingly a fractured character she is. You know, she is...
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the healer who is being used as a weapon. She is the lost princess who is found as a thief. And if you were to zoom way out, the story is about the lost princess who finds her kingdom and marries a prince. That seems nice.
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Except for that the marriage is political and she hates her husband. She is trapped and has no autonomy over her choices. And she is being weaponized by everyone around her and lied to by everyone around her.
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Yeah. Yeah. I was, when, when I met the mom, I was just in my, if I had, if I wrote fan fiction for this, it would be that Nari and the mom have just an honest conversation and realize like that they could work together and, and then like right have those two powerhouses work together to bring peace.
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Yeah. Yeah. Cause she then, then we wouldn't even have a trilogy. It'd be a two book series. Yeah. And that second book would be awesome. Yeah. be just a couple chapters after they meet and they'd be like, and we fixed it and nobody died.
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Yeah. they would I mean, they probably would still have to struggle. There'd be a lot of things going on. But if Nisreen, Nari, and the queen could get together. And if Nisreen actually wanted. Right, because those are the only three people in this book.
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We talked about, I just i forgot Nisreen. Nisreen has been urging for honesty as well. So that's it. Everybody else is like very happy with the line going on. Or i don't know, happy is not the right word.
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They don't know another way to be. do you have somebody joining
Nisreen's Conflicting Loyalties
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you? I do. have a doggy joining me. Oh, yeah. So Nasreen is interesting because she keeps promising Nari, you know, it's going to get better. don't worry about don't you know Don't worry about it. It will get better. Your life is going to get better. You're not going to be trapped forever. Because she knows that the mom, Nari's mom, supposedly, I'm...
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ah we We only have the king and... Maniza. Maniza, thank you. Maniza and the king both say that she's the daughter, but I don't trust either one of them.
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So two people we don't trust yet. I was wondering what if she's... The brother's daughter? She probably is her daughter, but I'm just saying. Maybe. We don't know. We have an unreliable narrator.
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Yes. In that sense. It's interesting because... as the older nahid she is kind of claiming authority and loyalty over nari like nizreen and dara are having to pick her over nari because they know nari would want to know the truth but she's not allowing it so right now they're siding with her and i'm And the reason this comes into the conversation of archetype is that in so doing, you have Nisreen acting against her archetype, her role, her her inner pulling. You know, she wants to care and help and serve Nari and help her and be honest with her.
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And yes, she's very bitter about the Catani and um would probably not mind seeing them all die, which, you know, sure we who know them would not like to see that happen. Yeah.
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huh Moontadir has been ticking me off lately, so.
Muntadir's True Desires and Obligations
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Yeah, he's interesting because so he was the reason I asked the question of what if the charming prince doesn't want to be because we out of everyone, we don't know what he would rather be doing.
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Like, is he just a poet trapped as a prince? Is he like if he could do anything else, what would it be? Because I think ah all we know, you know, oh, he likes to go and womanize and drink wine and read poetry.
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But that's also his defense mechanism. And that's also the way he does politics. I think the only thing we know for sure that he cares about is Jamshed. Yeah. And he cares about his sister.
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and he, I know he loves Ali. He used to care very deeply and protect him. So those are the only confirmed things. Yeah. Right. We know about people, but we don't know. With Ali, we see that scientist side of him.
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And we hear from his mom that he was so curious as a as a child. And then, that you know, in in her words, the father, you know, ripped him away and turned him into a weapon. But he was always asking questions and always inquisitive. So that's the scientist side of him coming out. And then he's turned into the warrior role. He's turned into the weapon. But every time he has free time, He's thinking about economics and irrigation. And, you know, he's always taking a problem from the aspect of of science and learning rather than from a warrior point of view.
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We don't know what Montadier would do if he wasn't a prince. But he's clearly not happy yeah as what he is either. No, no, he's not.
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Right. And then you were speaking of Dara and Nasreen.
Dara's Role and Moral Dilemmas
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So then you have the archetype of the warrior, which is I feel that Dara sees himself very much as the protector.
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But the problem is he sees things in such black and white that he's very easily manipulated, in my opinion, that he is used as a murderer, as a monster.
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Very often, even, you know, last week we talked about the part where he's used to kill a human, which is against his religion, but because Maniza is about to do it, he doesn't want her to have that black mark on her soul, so he does it for her.
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She's moving to do it, and he's like, no, no, I cannot let you take that risk, because first and foremost, he is there to protect the Nahids. And I a thousand, million, billion percent think that Maniza never had any intention of killing that human herself. She knew that if she moved towards it, that Dara would step up because that is who he is. And because he sees himself as such a protector, he can be manipulated into the role of monster.
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Yeah, I totally agree. And not only the black and white, but I think putting a person or a family above principle.
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he has He has very firm principles in what he believes, but then above and beyond that is the personhood of the Nahid. So whatever they say, he obedience to them is the highest principle. But that leads you to...
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a whole lot of trouble obviously when you know because now they're asking you to become this you know a monster killing and whipping and terrorizing people and now he she's gonna do it again you know she's using him as a weapon to get into the city and he's thinking he's going in as a savior you know he's gonna save Nari he's gonna save the Devas and she's completely using him Oh, ah and the Marid is even telling, like, this is one power-hungry Nahid you have here on your hands. And he he can't even hear it.
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He's so caught up in his own head about saving Nari and everything else. And even the experience he's had with her. He still struggles with the idea that the Shafi are worthy of being protected and of life. He's still, the only thing that sort of broke the veneer was thinking that she was one.
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But in his head, he's like, but she might not be. It's a marid curse that she looks like one. Right. He was relieved. He's still, yeah, he's still so caught up in, again, like the black and white thinking and the putting the end because then his Nahids wouldn't have fallen.
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that they wouldn't have bred with a human. And that that's what really upsets him. And...
Ali's Exile, Perspectives, and Mother's Support
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Dara. I think this is part of it. If he allows himself to think the Nahids were wrong with the Shafet back in the day, then than him doing whatever they tell him to do is the next thing to question.
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Because if they ah are fallible. I think he can handle it. Then he is a monster. Right. So he is one of the only ones who is actually in the role he intrinsically is inside of himself of Protector and Warrior. But it's manipulated often all the time into Monster. Which is I think one of the reasons he was trying to get Nari out.
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Although maybe that's not true because he had discovered that Maniza was alive and he that's where he was going to take Nari. So he still would have been, you know, they weren't going to escape this coming war anyway.
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The last person I really have, I guess I have two. One is a bit smaller and we've touched on him briefly, which is Jamshed, which I, to me, he sits in the archetypal role of the innocent.
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um Like the Samwise Gamgee of the story where he's just like the helo do no wrong. He's just good. And he just tries his best.
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And because of that, obviously, probably gets hurt more than he needs to. And he's also a protector. That's when the reason he's so upset about his healing is because he wants to be physically there protecting Montedir.
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And you could say, oh, it's just because he loves him, but plenty of... of people who love each other don't think of themselves as, i need to be there to protect.
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So it's an interesting thing of him. So Jamshed, Ali, and... Dara all have that warrior side and it's interesting how they all play it it differently.
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Ali is forced into it so he's very very good at it but it's almost like he's taken that on as a science as well. He's become the best at his the Zuffelker talent and and worked to perfect that as a science when he comes into devabad and he sees the slave market you know he doesn't just lose it and you know take them all on he could have he could have freed all those slaves you know that they were instead he just made life worse for two except i know except for his mommy saved him i don't trust anything now because i'm like oh
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did Did the author just, did she set that up so that we trust the mom when we shouldn't? Because the first time we meet her, she's saved the Shafet that the dad had re-enslaved, which I realized last week I was trying to get to that point and got distracted. But at the end of the first meeting the king has with Ali,
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And he goes to his room and he finds out he's got his Zephalchir back. But he sees that the slaves, the Shafits he had saved from slavery are now legally back into slavery because the king just null and voided the contract.
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So right away, day one, king saying, you know, you are you are doing what I tell you to do and you can't save them. You will stay in line or innocents will be hurt.
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And then he goes to see his mom and he sees those two Shaphat there. She's saved them. So right now, is she the only power that is able, is is somewhat able to fight with the king's?
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I think she's been doing it longer than anyone, so she knows how to get away with it. um Ali is just young and impetuous, as he as he was when he left the city. He just sees something wrong and he's got to fix it. and um hot set's been doing this for much much longer but like you said you're suspicious he was Ollie's immediately suspicious when he enters he's like is this just to gain my trust did you do this for them or did you do this to trick me into trusting you because you know this mattered to me so we don't know yet but either way it's nice that they got saved
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Yeah. And I will say I trusted her a lot more when we got her reaction to all of the scars on Ollie's body. Because she went from being mom and queen to just being mom.
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um which of course the king can do that as well where he's but I don't know even as even when he's being the father he's still he doesn't do holding the cards no yeah but but you know she she says something about when she sees it and realizes and she said and I've been talking about politics you know this is like this is so much more important right and she's not at all
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horrified by him and the powers like she's horrified that it happened to him and she's scared for him but she doesn't hesitate to help him She also seems to be the only person who accepts at face value that he was forced into it.
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That he wasn't down there like wheeling and dealing with the Marad being like, hey, I'll kill this guy if you give me powers. That he was just ripped apart, flayed from the inside out and like did not have a choice. She just accepts that right away. Whereas everybody else is like, you're just trying to get more power. And he's like, I don't want any power.
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Yeah. I think that, I think Gazan also believes he was forced, but he also. Right.
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But he still doesn't, it doesn't change any It just doesn't matter. Yeah. Yeah. It still happened. So before we dig into Ali next, shall we discworld the
Ali's Hero's Journey and Transformation
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light?
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Yes, let's.
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Okay, my sweet pumpkins. Most everybody guessed correctly. Small gods. For last week. Yay. And if you didn't guess it right, there were some guesses that were awfully good.
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Now for this week.
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Of course I remember where I am. I'm inside a bloody book talking to a load of voices I can't see. Why do you think I'm screaming?
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What is that from?
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Prince Ali Ali. You can't put that in there. Disney will hunt us down. Taken by the Marid Al-Qahtani.
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Sells his Zulfi car for the Shafiit. Ha! That's pretty good. He makes a big mistake. His mom fixes it up. but a We could do it. We could do a whole remake. Musical. Kingdom of Copper. The musical.
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ah Now we're back. Oh, now we're back. What was I just doing? Okay. Ali, or as I like to refer to him as...
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The reverse prodigal son. Because he's not, wait, how is he the, oh, because he, because the prodigal son goes out, does everything wrong, gets welcomed home. Ali stays home, does everything right, gets kicked out.
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But both end in a feast welcoming him home. And now he and Nari are kind of in the same position in terms of being under house arrest practically and and this is also coming to the archetype is when he was not in devabad when he was away from his father he could actually become who he really is instead of what his father had made him into so obviously we can't let that happen yeah and if montedir got exiled what would he become would he have the same like inner fire to be able to
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pick up the pieces and become something else depends if jam shed was with him or not yeah yeah that's true But Ali has really gone through the most, in this book so far, in my opinion, clear hero's journey where he has the loss of status, the loss of sense of self.
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You know, everything is stripped away from him. He is with these people. He gains a new perspective of himself and the world and Devabad. You know, when he was exiled, it was like the worst thing ever. And now going back feels like the worst thing ever. um He has a connection to deeper magic than we've seen as of yet so far in this book. I mean, suppose Dara, I should argue that Dara also has that connection to deeper magic.
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um And now he is in his sort of like returning transformed. But what's interesting is usually at this point in the hero's journey, they are coming back a hero. Like they return transformed and ready to lead the troops. And Ali has returned transformed and doesn't want anything to do with the troops. Doesn't want anything to do with the war. Just wants to get by quietly for a few months and then be able to go back and have ah a life in Amgazira.
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he Obviously that's not going to happen. Nobody's getting what they want. As you were talking, I was seeing that the mirroring between Dara and Ali has continued as well.
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Dara, too, was stripped of everything. He loses Nari, he loses his life, and now he's he's even lost his identity, of so to so to speak, because his his true form now is one of one that he hates, and one of the the Ifrit.
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Whereas Ali is coming back... More true to himself. Dara is coming back even more forced into that role of of monster.
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Right. oh I know.
Emotional Complexity and Beauty of the Book's World
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and there isn't if And if he does get back to Devabad, he will be coming with the army. army Right.
00:26:25
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So... Yeah, so we continue to read in utmost anticipation feels too positive a word. it's You are just feeling all these forces building and you know it's going to break loose and you just, there's nothing to be done to stop it at this point.
00:26:45
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although I feel like we paint these books as very negative in terms of how painful they are. But I will say they are a joy to read.
00:26:58
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They are, and they are so well written. you You feel all of these characters. You love all these characters. and And even though you see what's ahead and you see these forces moving against each other, the world that she's created is still a beautiful one. You still love yeah entering into it. There are so many books that the the world itself is just so hard and dark and and ugly. And it's, you know, that those authors have done that purposefully.
00:27:35
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But here you get to see the the beauty of life and the beauty of the world. And that just makes it that the that the bittersweet feeling.
00:27:47
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So anyway, it's it's well worth reading even and even though we suffer. right This is both of our second reads. So obviously we love these books. I have reached the part where I'm no longer rereading.
00:28:01
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I've hit, oh, really? You little scamp. I know. ah so I don't know what's going to happen. You have a tendency to do that. It's when I'm afraid of the things that are going to happen to the characters. There's a couple of series that I have yet to finish because, well, one of them is because we've left the characters in
Real-Life Roles and Inner Archetypes
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a good place. They just won the huge war.
00:28:29
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And so i'd like to I'd like to leave them there. That's where I thought the series ended. And then it kept going. So this reminds me of my favorite story about Mary when she was young. I don't remember the book you were reading. I guess we won't spoil it for people. But she read the end of the book to make sure the dog died. I mean, the dog lived. And the dog did live.
00:28:53
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Finishes the series, finds out ah basically everyone but the dog dies. Yeah. I don't even remember the name of that book anymore. It was horrible. so sorry. The main girl and the dog.
00:29:06
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That's it. every Everybody else. Every single. But the lesson is what? Sometimes your comfort characters haven't known a day of comfort in their life.
00:29:17
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I don't know how that's the lesson. You must read on.
00:29:24
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Well, to get back to this book and not the other books that I haven't finished, I was thinking about this in terms of everyday life and how we take on roles throughout our life and are those roles all helpful to us and are they roles that we chose or ones that someone has chosen for us?
00:29:51
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in in ah Back in college when I was taking a directing class, film directing class, I was reading this book by some famous director who I can't recall. ah And he was talking about how everyone fills out throughout their life, they fill out the sentence, I am...
00:30:12
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And throughout their life, they add nouns to that. I am a daughter. I am a mother. I am a father. I am a baker. I am a skier. i am, you know, whatever that is, they are they are building their identity.
00:30:28
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And actors, their whole point is to leave that blank because then they fill it in as they take on a role. And I was thinking, I remember thinking about that at the time of the roles that he's talking about are all external.
00:30:49
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And kind of what we've talked about with this book is that there are some roles that some these characters are naturally bringing out. it's It's part of their inner self that they're happiest when that inner self, that inner role that comes from within gets to be played out.
00:31:09
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in the outer world, in their outer life. And so just thinking about what roles do we have that are inner, that I think encompass a lot more than these outer roles of baker butcher candlestick maker um you know I think they they go a lot deeper and broader and they don't really have to do so much with what you do as what you are because you could do any occupation but
00:31:41
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fulfill that inner role through those occupations through different ones if that makes sense it does and I think also to bring awareness to the role you're playing the archetype that you are embodying and whether you are engaging in the shadow or the light side for example if you are the warrior archetype if you are very courageous or if you are a martyr that But not to judge either of those parts, but just to bring awareness to it and how you are moving through your life.
00:32:17
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Yeah. And if you have something in your life that other things get sacrificed for, even if it's just your time getting sacrificed for, are you consciously doing it? Is it something you know that you're doing or is it something that has just happened along and now it's almost habit?
00:32:33
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You know, what are we questioning? Right. what What we're sacrificing and why? What is your inner archetype? Let us know in the comments. Or don't, because that could be, you know, a a personal experience. It could be used against you. It could be used it don't let anyone know.
00:32:51
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of Don't tell anyone. Do let us know what you think in the comments about archetypes and roles and these characters. If you are reading along with us, we would love to know.
00:33:04
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even if you are behind us in the books. And if you want to read my short story for a little pick-me-up, I guess, I don't know, um dip into my fantasy world and read my short story in the link below.
Closing Notes and Personal Anecdotes
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Or if you haven't read any of these books yet that we are going through, the series can be found on bookshop.org in our link in the show notes. And I think that's that's it for the housekeeping. Anything else?
00:33:39
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No, I think I need to know your spark of the week though. Oh, right. I would say...
00:33:48
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Dogs. The antics yeah of canines. um I was watching a movie the other night and there was fighting going on. And one character in an earlier fight had already died. So I knew that this fight could go badly for this next character. So I was getting nervous and my Dutch shepherd could feel what I was feeling. So he who had been sleeping on the couch next to me started, he just kept getting up and grabbing my slippers and bringing them to me.
00:34:18
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And I realized that he does that when he wants me to go outside or to do something because whenever he used to pick up a shoe that was, ah you know, I'd stop him because I didn't want him to chew it. So now he picks up my slipper as like a course correct.
00:34:35
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like Okay, you're doing something. Let's do something else. This is clearly not good. One year old is crying in the film and he had been sleeping and he got up and he was staring at the TV and then he then he got up and went and looked behind the TV and then out the window and looking at me and he's like, there's a baby crying somewhere. Why are you just sitting there?
00:34:57
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ah Shouldn't we go find this baby? Yeah. God. That's my spark. How about you? I like you. I have taken my own little dip into Butcher Baker Candlestick Maker. I'm into sourdough now.
00:35:14
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getting really into sourdough. And I baked two loaves this week. And I loved it. but and Well, I loved it because i got I think I got lucky. They both turned out pretty good. I know that's not always going to be the case. but And I made sourdough pancakes. so impressed.
00:35:30
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And I'm loving it. That is so cool. Thanks. I'm very impressed. Thank you very much. Now I just have to figure out how to make gluten-free sourdough. Anyone in the comments, if you do Yeah, if anyone knows how to do that, yeah, drop it in the comments. We need this. I know that people make rice, like they gluten-free sourdough out of rice, but it's really dense.
00:35:50
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So it'd be cool to find a different... Different flour. I do enjoy like the tapioca flour made stuff because it's got that like, i do, I actually really like that dense texture. and Anyway, we're getting a bit off topic. Yeah.
00:36:07
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All right. I like a nice MLT that's mutton, lettuce, and tomato. We need to get the mutton real crisp. I love that. All right. Name that quote. Yeah. Extra bonus points. Thank you for visiting with us this week.
00:36:23
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