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Empire of Gold Deep Dive: Choices that Define Us | Mythic Mirror Ep 16
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What is Chakraborty doing to us with this amazing, heart wrenching book? Visit with Mary and Carolina as they discuss the twists and turns of Empire of Gold. When Ali and Nahri take a stand, who and what do they chose to be? What can Dara do, trapped in the service of an evil mass murderer?
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Introduction to 'Mythic Mirror'
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Is Devabad ready for self-rule? Can Maniza get any worse? And what is Chakraborty doing to us?
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Welcome to Mythic Mirror, a podcast for fans of myth and fantasy who want to live magical, fulfilling lives. I'm your host,
Midpoint of 'Empire of Gold': Intensity & Developments
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Mary C. Kehoe. I'm your co-host, Carolina Carter. And we are talking about the middle of Empire of Gold.
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It's a thick book. have not but gotten quite to the end. Yes, we... Now I'm a little ahead of you, so we are... We are just, we are, it's just getting really intense. Let me just tell you that right now. Yeah.
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But I've read the series before, so she's going to spoil it a little for me, but it's not really a spoil for me. So if you're caught up to where we are, it's not a spoil for you either. little past 50% of the book is where we are at. Yeah. Chapter 31-ish. Yeah.
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All right, Carolina. First thoughts.
Nari's Leadership Journey
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Well, my first thoughts, because it's actually kind of a nice little first half until you get to the end of the first half, is that this is the book where everybody's growing up.
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Nahri is choosing this role of leadership for herself. She's not being forced into being in a Nahid. She's not being forced into being a healer. She had an opportunity to stay in Cairo and live her life, and she has now taken agency and is choosing this path and is choosing to save Devabad.
Ali's Growth in Compassion
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Ali has, we've seen a huge arc where instead of going the way of Dara and dogmatism, he is choosing compassion and understanding and um even has a beautiful moment with Jamshed where he apologizes for being Blasphemous towards his religion and looking down on him and saying that his people were right to be ah wary of him.
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And that's a really lovely moment where you, you know, just see that again, Ali has chosen time and time again to, um, I want to say humanize himself, not in the way of like not being a deva, but to be in touch with his heart and to be in touch with his growth.
Dara's Moral Awakening
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Um, and Dara,
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is growing, is thinking, is changing, but at a glacial speed for a 1400 year old being.
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He's like, wait, am I the bad guy? Yes, yes you are, but not really, but not really.
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Yes, i another shining moment for our beloved high priest when he finds Dara cleaning in the temple and he says, I thought whoever was cleaning in the dead of night must might be in need of counsel.
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and And he talks to him. And finally, Dara speaks to someone about this dawning dread and realization that You know, he's he's done terrible things because terrible people asked him to. and it And it wasn't actually for a good cause. And even if it had been, it wasn't the right thing to do.
00:03:27
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Right. And how the priest says, you know, Dara thinks it's a punishment that he's been brought back. And the priest says, that you've been gifted this time. Make it up to them.
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Make it up to the people you hurt. Right. Because it's so much easier to think. like Dara is doing that I'll, you know, I'll just go into eternal punishment. Like I'll just be punished.
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That's all that's left to me. And you know, which that kind of thinking leads to if he thought he'd stay dead, he probably would end his life at that point. Yes. And the high priest is giving him a very gentle, but honest a perception shift that into, you know, he, he points out even in the depths of, even in your realization of what you've done to others, you're still just thinking about yourself.
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Which is a good point. And he says, I, I, i you're still thinking, you're still just talking about i what will your punishment, eternal punishment do for these people?
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and he Which means it takes a lot. it was just going to say, it takes a lot more courage to stay and face the people you've hurt and try to make it better and try to help them even when they think you're a monster.
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Yes. I think it takes a lot more bravery.
Maniza's Dark Path
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It does bring me to my next question because i we do finally find out how Maniza brought Dara back to life.
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I have so many questions about this chapter. One, i don't completely understand what she did except for that it took sacrificing...
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Okay, so she says that it that they needed to sacrifice and a Nahid to bring him back, that the blood of a Nahid could bring back people from the dead. The story she tells is that Rustam wanted to do this to her baby, Nahri, and so they fought and he died, correct?
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Mm-hmm. So we, as the reader, know... that she wanted to use Nahri as probably sacrifice and Rustam probably tried to stop her. And that she, we at this point, me, believe that Nahri is Rustam's child, not Manaisa's.
00:05:44
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Right. Yeah. I think that we know that Nahri is not her daughter, but her niece. And I don't know if, if she knew about Nahri or if he was keeping Nahri a secret.
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Either way, I think she killed him in order to resurrect ah Dara back. But when did she bring Dara back is my question, because he doesn't come until Nari sings for him, which would be 20 years after Rustam was killed.
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Right, but remember, he was brought back and... and um
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Oh, what's his name? who Who dies in the first one? The air being, the bird-like being. Oh, the Perry? Helps him. Yeah, the Perry. What's his name? so he takes him and like helps him come back to life pretty much in his traveling life and stuff.
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Right. I had forgotten that. Sorry. It's a long series. Yeah. lots Lots has happened since that death. Fateful day. I know.
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Boy, did we not know what we're in for. I've been trying to decide, like, is Maniza just bad or is she insane? Or both. Or both.
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I mean, i feel like you if you get to a certain level of bad, you have to be insane. Right, because I'm like, she certainly seemingly through the flashbacks has always had this streak that it almost seems like maybe she tried to hide.
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Even Hot Set talking about meeting her in the infirmary where I do, I did feel it like a pang of empathy for her where Hatsat saying it was so obvious that she and Rustam were prisoners that it gave her the creeps.
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So you do feel, but then also just saying that she could see in Maniza's eyes, like how she just felt nothing but disdain that she knew she was basically a goddess and couldn't believe she had been put in this situation and that given the chance would just kill everyone. Yeah, and the fact that her brother is there with her in that scene and throughout their lives, you see how she could have made a different choice.
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When the freed slaves, Razu, when Razu is talking to Dara about how it was the brother that had freed her, and she said the brother didn't trust his sister, the circumstances don't have to break you.
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They don't have to turn you into a bad, insane person. you know The brother was still a kind healer. Yes. and And Nari, who, granted, she didn't grow up in prison, but we've talked about that before. She's choosing the the good side.
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Continuously. Yeah, and arguably in her own prison of poverty in the human world and completely alone. she could have She could have gone evil. Yeah, and going back to the insane or evil, I think it's a very good point that when you start to divorce yourself of empathy, you do go insane. When you put you know your power above everything else and that anything is acceptable that gets you to that goal,
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Whatever it is, really. you know As soon as anything at all becomes acceptable to get to whatever your goal is, even if it's a good goal, you you've lost the you've lost your moorings.
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Mm-hmm.
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So yeah, she's just gotten worse. It starts with her brother, and then it just gets so much worse. Well, right I don't know if you can get worse than murdering your brother, but...
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It gets exponentially more people, I should say. Yeah, well, and that there's just the terrifying aspect of there's just no reasoning with her. like It's obvious at this point Dara has tried. He has tried to be a voice of reason in her ear, and they and she fired him for that. The priest tried to be a voice of reason in her ear. Also fired. Luckily, both not dead, because that kind of seems to be her her move.
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And it seems like she, I mean, when I heard her say, i want him gotten rid of, I think she wouldn't mind if like she kind of wanted them to kill him, but they hadn't yet. yeah it was like they were just trying to get him to retire instead.
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Right. um Isn't it murder in the cathedral where the king says about Thomas More? Yes. I wish somebody would kill that guy and then they kill It's Thomas Beckett.
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Thomas Beckett. Yeah. Thomas a Beckett. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's okay. um Yeah. Someone rid me of that troublesome priest. Right. And then he's dead. And he's saying then they did. This was like the reverse of that, where I think she would have preferred that happening. She would have wanted that. Yeah, exactly. I thought that too.
00:11:06
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This reverse murder in the cathedral. Thomas More was killed. Yeah. Thomas More was also killed by his king, but that was entirely on purpose.
Muntadir's Strategy & Loyalty
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I am really enjoying, and I know this gets tricky, but I'm enjoying watching Muntadir shine because I feel like up until this point, we've really seen Ollie shine and not really like, what is the point of you?
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And now we're realizing like he is a weapon in his own way. It's brilliant. And m so I've been, I've been enjoying that, but kind of on the edge of my seat being like, please don't die.
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In the second book, when he was flipping out about Ollie coming back, he was getting paranoid and and losing his center. And then now, when he's actually surrounded by enemies,
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he is on, his like, he's on. Right. He's making a plan and and executing it and almost just, you know, he's alone, surrounded by enemies, convinces them to talk to the traitors who he knows are his allies.
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And then from there, you know, he he he almost succeeds with a coup. And you realize how much of in book two it was because he loved his brother that it was setting like he was spinning out because he saw his brother as his enemy. And yet he couldn't do his usual war tactics because it's his brother. So he doesn't want to.
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So he's just losing it. It becomes clearer when he says, I'm done protecting you, that it's like, not only has he not been attacking you, he's been using all his charm and all his skill to protect you. So even just removing that protection is going to really mess up your life. And something we haven't really spoken about at all yet, but that obviously Ali and Nahi falling in love. Yeah.
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There is a love story here, folks. There is a love story. And it's a beautiful one that doesn't rush the friendship stage, which I very much appreciate.
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Yeah.
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It's what I've always wanted, which is just thousands and thousands and thousands of pages of yearning. That's all I want. That's all I want. But also companionship and learning to trust each other and just learning to get along.
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but But, yeah but I mean, really they do become very close friends and realize how important they are to, I mean, Ollie knows he's in love with her, but she doesn't
Ali and Nahi's Love Story
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let herself see it for a long time.
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So for a long time, she does like just realizing that he is important to her at all is, is huge for her to accept. I think our Discworld Delight from last week was quite popular.
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All guesses are Masquerade. ah Some embellishing to say, my first Discworld book, always love Masquerade. Someone says, Masquerade, love Nanny Og. Aw, well, they are entirely correct.
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It is Masquerade. But it's a very fun book. If you haven't read it, it's the spoof on Phantom of the Opera.
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And it's delightful.
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All right, so for this week, here we go. Was it valuable? Priceless, especially now that it has been destroyed. Ah, it contained information of value, possibly involving the color dark green. Will you tell me?
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I could tell you, Havelock smiled again, but then I would have to find someone to pay me to kill you. Then don't tell me, but I do think dog botherer is an unpleasant nickname.
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And that's it. That's a good one. What is that from? What is it from? What is it from?
00:15:11
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I almost texted you, except it was too late in the night when Dara was asking Maniza when they find the tomb of all the Nahids, which were not burned as they should have been.
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and And he finds his...
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Relic. Thank you. Relic. And and then he and he asks her, was that scene you talking about where he asks her how she brought him back? And she's just lying to him and turning her brother into the bad guy. And we already knew she's terrible. We already suspected that she'd killed her brother.
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But just ah hearing her lie about it and turn him into this into you know this baby killer you're just like right and listening to dara's thoughts being like it did not match what he had heard about the gentle nahid rustum who was a healer yeah and that's like the identity we're back to the identity thing of like at her core nahi is a healer i think like her dad and at her core maniza is a killer mm-hmm
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And we have new characters that we haven't talked about yet either because, and like we said, everything suddenly
Nahri's Trust in Faiza
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moved very fast. People went all over the place. But one character that I want to talk about that we haven't yet is Faiza.
00:16:38
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Yes! A couple things about Faiza. A, she's brilliant. B, she is the first person, i believe...
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I might be wrong. She might have told Ali. But the first kind of outside person that Nahri admits that she is indeed Shafiq too. That in this journey of identity that Faiza is her first confidant. And I think that's beautiful.
00:17:06
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Mm-hmm. Even if Faiza sort of pisses her off into telling her. They have a self-aware moment there too because she says, what are you doing telling me? Like, I'm a criminal. can sell this information. And she says, I don't know.
00:17:21
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There's something in you that is akin to me. It's like they're both little street rats who've learned to survive. Yeah, right. And i the other thing I love about her is that she is a sarcastic...
00:17:37
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kind of... i don't like the word feisty, but... um I mean, I don't mind it, but I don't like it for her, but I can't think of something else. but Her name is Faiza.
00:17:48
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That's true. But she isn't... I don't know. I've gotten very... Bored with the ah Angry female characters That are just a little two dimensional Like they they're they're They have a biting tongue The anti-female in distress Yeah and it's just That's all they are Faiza is Even though you don't get to have too much interaction with her like that we haven't gone in depth with her yet but even just the interactions that we have had you see that there is depth to her she's not overly hopeful but she obviously has hope she's pragmatic enough to ask nari like is he dangerous and you know that if nari was was to be like i think he might be she'd probably just kill him right on the spot
00:18:39
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Or leave. you know but she also or leave, but she also had enough whimsy in her to be like, you know what? Sure, let's try it. Let's let's try this as crazy escape plan.
00:18:51
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I don't think whimsy was the right word to use there. I liked it. She also, i as you were talking, I realized this. She has been brought up in pretty much slavery.
00:19:08
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and has been abused and controlled, and now she's got the iron in her neck, and she doesn't become Maniza. You know, that's another parallel, where you have a woman who has not had, you know, her her desperate ah gamble for freedom was to be enslaved on a pirate ship for...
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10 years because it had an end date. Whereas in Devabad, she would have been, you know, this slave class forever. And so you see someone who does have an edge to her, but you know, and can kill, she is dangerous, but she's not a mass murderer. She still has a moral code. She might be a pirate, but she's, you know, she's not going around killing kids.
Ali's Realization on Self-Rule
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Yeah, which kind of, it like helps it set up, because we've seen all this along the way, but it also helps solidify that when Ollie's talking to his mom, he says, the best thing I did for the Shafit was get out of their way. Like trying to help them by whatever he did before. Nothing was really good until he just let them be and just, you know, maybe allowed them to be without being attacked every five seconds. Yeah.
00:20:30
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Real quick, did you hear anything in the background? I don't think so. How about now?
00:20:38
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All right. Sorry. Just wanted to make sure.
00:20:43
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So also, you know, not to make her into the anti-damsel in distress, but it's kind of like, you know, the Shafiq, they don't need the Devas and the Djinn to rescue them. They just need to stop being attacked by them.
00:20:58
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Right. Which brings me to my next question slash point. um And I think this is a little bit the brainwashing of all the books I grew up with in that same conversation where Ali's talking to Hatsat. He says that david he doesn't think Devabad needs a ruler. He wants to have like a democracy.
00:21:18
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And I'm like, boo. Boo.
00:21:23
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Overthrower, be the ruler. you and Nari can rule. i don't want a committee. like just sounds so like boring. You know what? I think it's because
00:21:36
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in today's day and age, we have um a bureaucratic government to where you're like, well, that doesn't go well.
00:21:47
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You know, at least if you're you're good, we know you're good. You could be a good ruler. We know good rulers exist. and they Benevolent tyrant. That's all, you know, anybody wants in a fantasy
Devabad's Governance: Ruler or Democracy?
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book.
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However, they do have a point by saying that both the Catani and the Nahids have lost their right to rule because of everything that had happened. Granted, again, you are not your ancestors.
00:22:14
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Nari and Ali didn't do those things. Could Nari and Ali be great rulers? I think so. Granted, I don't think they either of them want to be. Like Nari said, the only thing she wanted to rule over was her hospital. Somebody's got a rule.
00:22:29
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Somebody's got to make a choice. Somebody has to lead. Well, if you have a representative from each of the tribes, they're the council and they rule.
00:22:41
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Fine. Fine. But what I will say to this series, I also wouldn't have thought I'd be interested in a series series where the two main characters, and I'm speaking about, I know you could say Dara's a main character, but speaking about Nahri and Ali, like... Ali loves government and math and forms and budgets and Nari is a healer. That's not a concept that I would have thought would draw me in, but I am deeply enjoying this series. So I think that if anyone can pull it off, it's this series.
Chakraborty's Mastery in Storytelling
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As as we said with, what is Chakraborty doing to us She's very good at putting these characters into high stake moments that
00:23:26
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Either they have to use their talents of healing and um engineering, or or there is the, which this happens with many of the characters, the arc of redemption and realization and what you were saying with deepening of, like when Ali uses his martial abilities when he's fighting just purely out of self-defense.
00:24:00
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Like Nari is standing there witnessing it and not taking these lives and these dead deaths lightly. which is something also I don't think we often see in books where, you know, like, well, clearly this guy's the bad guy and he's trying to kill me, so I kill him, we move on. And maybe with the first one we might react because it's the first time you've killed someone. But, you know, Oli's killed multiple people now and Nari's seen it. And, you know, when when the pirates attack them and Oli goes full into his, you know, expert warrior training,
00:24:38
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and kills many of them, Nari has a moment where she just wants to yell at the pirate to go back over the wall, get away. yeah and it's because, you know, she still values life and has a reverence for life, even if that life is trying to kill her.
00:24:55
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yeah And that, you know, Dara is even a bigger realization redemption arc, you know, cause he's done much worse.
Characters' Redemption Arcs
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So it takes him longer to allow himself to admit that, you know, doing evil so that good may come is not a good way to live. And that you still have to pay for those crimes. There's no like in for a penny, in for a pound.
00:25:28
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I might as well keep going. It's like, no, you got to start doing the right thing. Mm hmm. which Which is where Maniza did go in for a penny and for a pound. Like, well, I've killed my brother. I might as well just kill everybody.
00:25:41
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Just gonna go for it.
00:25:46
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Which is, the scenes with her and Kaveh just feel so weird to me when, because I'm like, she... Can she actually feel genuine love? I don't know. It's like really weird. It's just really, really weird. yeah Yeah.
00:26:02
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And like, don't like it. The part where Kaveh is like comforting her and saying that they'll find, you could, when she gets so angry when she, when Maniza finds out that Hotset has gem shit and she's just raging and saying how she'll kill her children and, you know, awful things like that.
00:26:19
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And he's comforting her and just saying, you know, we'll all be together as if like they could just come back together and be like this nice, happy family. And he's not talking to a woman who's raging and talking about killing another woman's children. And she's already right she and like had you murder thousands of people.
00:26:37
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And like, right. And he doesn't know that yet. Right. Like he doesn't know that she knew the poison wouldn't stop. He has allowed himself to believe that she didn't know.
00:26:49
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Yeah. There's a moment right before Montadier's coup when Cave... Montadir says something insulting to Kaveh and Kaveh's like, you know, oh, I lost respect for you or his, ah i lost Montadir. I lost respect for Montadir's opinion of me six years ago. And he turned, you know, and he says to Montadir like six years ago when you didn't save my son, when he like risked, you know, almost died saving your life.
00:27:24
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And it's like, okay, you're still holding on to that and thinking him so weak because he didn't save your son. And how could you love someone and and let him suffer like that?
00:27:36
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I mean, you you just killed a thousand or more people and many of them and innocent travelers. And his dad. And his dad. Yeah, and children. It's like so much of this where I'm like...
00:27:47
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Kaveh, you don't have a leg to stand on. You literally... No, there's quite a few times in this book where people are like getting real high and mighty and you're like... did yeah For example, Jomshed 2 admitting to Ollie he was the one who poisoned him. And you're like...
00:28:02
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Okay, you are mad at him for having you kill someone who is attempting to murder him. Yeah. Meanwhile, attempted to murder him. Right.
00:28:14
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Yeah. Okay. And you want him to just be fine with that. And you already know, like Nari told you before... that, you know, the man was a Shafet. And if, if the king found out that a Shafet had tried to kill his beloved son, you know, so he was actually saving many lives.
00:28:33
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And, and yeah, this guy just tried to kill him. Like, yes, it's a horrible moment, but now you're willing to kill him because of that. And you'll still be angry at him about it.
00:28:46
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Yeah. And by the way, like, I don't think Muntadir would have forgiven you either. Right. Like, what were you thinking? And why... Anyway, so yes, couple times where people were like, and you did this, and you're like, and you... Yeah, Dara does it a few times where it's it's always when someone that he thinks he's been befriending, he does it with the Giziri soldiers, and then again...
00:29:12
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He with i says something to Montadir, I think, too. Or he gets mad at Montadir for something. And and he's like, well, he's like, you know what they did to my sister. And I'm like, but he didn't do it.
00:29:24
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Again, 1400 years ago, someone did it. And she always finds, Maniza always finds a way to manipulate him back into her clutches. Except for this last time. But yes yeah, because when when she uses the memory of his sister as a point in threatening would you have maybe like so upset about it yeah yeah he's like i would let every single not die if i could if i could save my sister yeah and she's all upset about it so you haven't gotten to the uh montedir's coup and the aftermath
00:30:04
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No,
Dara's Break from Maniza
00:30:05
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sorry. I read it right before i went to sleep last night. It was a mistake. ah But I just was going to sleep imagining like maybe Dara could just rescue Montadir and they could leave.
00:30:19
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like Because finally Dara has lost all faith in her and it seems like it's too late because of this final almost dying and being brought back ah dying and being brought back.
00:30:37
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He's brought back in a different way and the poison, the iron fillings are still in him so he can't use his magic. and it's very like he It's very spotty. He's very weak and so we're pretty sure he can't turn into the wind now. Should have done it.
00:30:55
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And he's just completely broken at looking at what Maniz has done. And then Montadir is brought in and I'm just thinking, oh no, he's going to think Dara was a part of this horrible thing.
00:31:10
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and and I just want him to say, like this is actually the first massacre that I have not been a part of. I had nothing to do with had nothing to do with it.
00:31:21
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And she is evil. Let's go. So on that note, what was your spark of the week?
Spark of the Week: Personal Joys
00:31:34
Speaker
I don't know if it's cheating, but my spark of the week are my nephews who are just so funny. That's not cheating. Watching them. Yeah. They're just hilarious.
00:31:45
Speaker
Little kids. Yeah. Shout out to our nephews. Those guys are awesome. They're just so original and hilarious. Like little kids don't aren't trying to be original and unique. They just are. Every single one of them.
00:31:59
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You never know what they're going to say. All right. How about you? What is yours? I want to ditto yours. i'm go ah well Let's just give this make this one a big shout out to them. Okay. And they're awesome some parents. Yeah.
00:32:12
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You guys did good. If you're following along with the books we read and liking our taste in books, and you're looking for something with intrigue and found magic and found family and depth, then you going to love it when you sign up for Mary's Kickstarter to read her up and coming debut novel, Breaking Inlands.
00:32:34
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Yeah, thanks. The link is down below. You're welcome. If you're not sure and you want to dabble your toes in, she also has a short story that is in the same world that you can read and be like, do I like this author? Yes, I do.
00:32:48
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Well, thank you. And youre as always, we are so grateful to be spiraling through this universe with all of you. It's not always easy, but no good story ever is.