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It's Fun To Root Against Others
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Matt discloses the joy he gets in rooting against people or sports teams he doesn't like. Lance challenges Matt's prejudice while outing his own pre judgments. As you might expect this episode is a POS.
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U.S. Election Results and Impact on Politics
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Wow, dude. Do you feel extra POS-y this morning, Lance, on this Wednesday, November 6th? Or do you feel like hope will prevail regardless of um anything out there that might have happened last night? I don't know. I did sleep fine. I slept pretty good. So it wasn't like I was up. Was it clear about when you went to sleep who who was going to win and lose and who's going to take control of the Senate in the United States of America? I was confident early on just because the exit polls for certain types of demographics were really favoring Trump. And I thought that was foreshadowing what was to come and inevitably it did. So not that I'm yeah seasoned at predicting anything or understanding any of this, but it just seemed like at 7.30 last night, it was like, yeah, probably not going to happen.
Conspiracy Theories and Political Shifts
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But no, I'm not depressed. I mean, I have some interesting things on my mind about what it looks like in the future. I can i can explain perhaps why we got here, lots of reasons, but the smart people are already doing that. They don't need us to do that. But like some things that I'm curious about in the future, given this podcast, there are a ton of people who have been making money on like conspiracy based, grievance based podcasts and YouTube channels and things like that. And now that they've gotten essentially everything they've wanted. It's like, what do they do? It's like, who who are you going to blame now for these next four years? And I think that's interesting because I think people who were liberal, who were like Bernie folks, have moved to this Trump movement and have adopted some of these lies or exaggerations. And I'm curious to see what happens with their body of work. I'm sure that people are going to be critical of his presidency because he's so narcissistic that it's like, I will do this. I will do this. So if it doesn't happen immediately, it's going to be like, well, you fucking made your promises. You orange face fuck. But I don't know. Like, okay.
Sports Culture and Hypocrisy
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Democratic Party needs a rally cry because they are a disheveled
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disorganized mass and like yeah it can't be him anymore so where do they go
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po os statement for this week is i get more joy out of rooting against, especially in sports, rooting against something than I get joy in rooting for something. And my example is I love, and last Saturday I actually sat down. I haven't had a Saturday where I don't have my kids and I don't do anything. I don't go surf. And I just sat down and just enjoyed way too much watching Nebraska football lose. And I still, after all, I've been out of college for some, I don't know what, 30 years? Fuck. 25 years. And my team doesn't even play Nebraska anymore. They played this year, but it's not like a conference thing or anything. And for some reason, I love watching this team lose. I get way more joy out of it than watching my team win. And there's been a few sports teams like that, but I think a lot of people are like that. And I think if you correlate that, the woke movement and this anti-Trump thing, it just started to push me a little bit to the point where I was like, I can't go with that group. I can't be that. And the only thing you asked me in our show prep, what is it? What is it about Nebraska? What is it about your things? The only thing is I could come up with is I remember there was a lot of, there's a lot of Nebraska fans, you know, obviously if you ever met someone, most of the people not to stereotype from Nebraska are pretty down to earth, like really nice people. Right. Just like, hi, how you doing type people. Yeah there was always this aura that nebraska football does it the right way like you remember back in the 90s there was a lot of athletes were criminals and football programs were like were shielding them you know like and protecting them even though they're doing all this bad shit and you get some nebraska fans they're just like we're not we don't do it that way don't do it that way. We do it the right way. And the closest thing that college football has had to O.J. Simpson was Lawrence Phillips, the tailback for Nebraska that ended up getting murdered in jail because he was abusive to women. He was a fucking mess. Maybe the best athlete I've ever seen. Dude was a freak. But I just remember like, are you kind of pushing that under the table that you don't have your own issues? To me, it's like, you don't hear a lot of people bitching about Trump, about his involvement with Epstein and Epstein Island and all that shit. It's because their own savior, Bill Clinton, there's more photos of Bill hanging out with that dude than anybody. So it's kind of like, all that kind of shit always bothers me. I don't know how that correlates, if that makes any sense, but I try. Good job. Are you, so are you a contrarian? Yeah. I think if you ask some people, they would, they would say yes. I don't feel like I am, but no contrarian probably feels like they are, you know, like, or do you get, you, you seem to get a special joy of pointing out hypocrisy too. I do. I do. Do you? Or does it just make you feel sad? I don't know. I don't know. I mean, you go there immediately. You go there immediately. Maybe it's easy. I mean, it's so easy to find hypocrisy because it's so, you can make it up and it'll probably be true. There's hypocrisy in anything. Right. All I know is I wouldn't be hanging on to my disdain for Nebraska 30 years after college, personally. But that's not reading into why you're doing it at all either. I mean, I'm not saying that. It's that thing, though, too. What's weird is I've had some other things. I like watching the Red Sox lose since I was a Yankees fan. I could care less now. It was like a time in my life. I'm trying to think of other things. There was a time when, I'll say this, an example, it's not athletes. When I was in college, Dave Matthews was starting to get big, especially in Colorado. just was like i could not i could not take it i just the whole thing i would just be like it's just some you hate sorority girl nonsense like i i just yeah but i don't know why like i probably if you if i if you can put me in a bubble and be like here's the song and didn't tell me who it was i don't know if i'd be like that's the worst music music I ever heard. I just, I just, the whole movement bothered me. You know?
Entertainment Stereotypes and Speech Policing
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I remember that. When that guy came out or that group came out, it was a special group in the sense that they had jazz musicians or real musicians playing pop music at a higher level. And it could get busy, definitely busy. But I mean, there was really no reason to reject it other than if you did, if you hated his voice, that was one thing. Hey, you're a girl. No, it's like the people and the people that the people got into it and how they were like, thought it was a spiritual event. I always thought it was kind of half ass. I was like, if you're going to go there, why don't you go like full fucking jam band? I thought it was a watered down version. Same. There's some rap artists that I'm not going to get get into into all all the the shit shit I i don't don't like. like because Cause, but but there's there's some some rap rap artists artists that i I think think are are kind kind of half-assed too where i'm like i don't respect it but i think i am a contrarian and there's something i i wish it was as poetic as like rooting for the underdog but it's probably voicing some of my own insecurities or i don't know i can't explain it but like do you think people find that annoying in you i think people that are in a bad place gravitate towards me and find some comfort in it so it's like someone's in the office bitching about somebody i'm not going to be like let's rise above it let's make this place better i'll like let's wallow together you know like let's talk some shit and it's not good it's not good for it can be good because because i'm trying rally to rally the i can it to something like a camaraderie thing, but also I'm probably adding to the negativity. But once it comes full circle, sometimes there's some like a bonding in it that makes things a little better. Again, I don't know how this Nebraska thing ties in. Well, we don't care about them. But was this prior to your comedic training or developing that muscle that you had this sort of prejudice? I don't know, dude. I almost would ask you, do you remember me being a contrarian? Like, I don't remember being that way. I'm trying to think of things that like really bother. Oh, when everyone liked that show 90210, I had a real issue with that. like a real issue. Friends. When I first met my wife and I'd get off work, I'd actually go over to a friend's house, smoke some weed, and then go to her apartment. And her and all these other foreign girls are watching Friends. Sometimes I would just leave. Yeah, you hated it. So do you like Taylor Swift at all? Or do you hate her too? No, I don't got a problem with Taylor. I'm not researching out her music, dude, but we're actually born in the same town. So I feel like... Why would somebody be against Taylor? What's the reason? Well, you could say she's got a sort of a homogenous style that repeats itself over and over again. Is that true? Because she's done a couple different genres. Barely. I would say pop and country. Barely. The music's still good. The songs are still catchy. She still has figured out how to craft a song in a way that you want to continue to listen to it. So I'm not taking anything away from her. Motherfucker, dude. Got me up here trying. How did you corner me into defending Taylor Swift? I think more you're triggered, my personal thought here. I don't know why I say that in a podcast. Everything's my fucking personal thought. But more triggered by the behavior of the fan base of something than you are of the something. So you don't like Friends because a lot of girls had to watch that show every single time and sit together and giggle about it. And that behavior was probably annoying. I also thought it sucked. You didn't like it? Yeah, okay. That they were what? They lived in very sweet, swanky apartments and had no jobs? You didn't like that aspect of it? You're a realist those hard working mfs on seinfeld that uh i don't know i just thought oh rage i like the whole bubbly white girl thing like fucking bothered me so much and uh yeah and the character phoebe like her her just throw away lines playing like kind of the idiot. I just didn't like it, dude. But now in hindsight, I'm like, maybe a little too much emotions. Not liking friends. But the sports thing is not unique to me. I don't know if that's an American thing or what, but there is that idea like, I like my team and whoever's playing our rivals this week is kind of a thing. It's interesting here. There's basically two good football teams. Football, soccer teams. It's kind of boring. But what's funny is, for me as an outsider, it's the same dude. This guy's from this place. This guy's from this place. And he likes this team. They're the same fucking person. They just happened to grow up or their dad liked one team or whatever. But people start to stereotype. Well, you know, all these Supriza fans are fucking blah, blah, blah. We immediately like, well, you know, they're dumb. And that's why they think that they can win this year. But it's the same person on both sides. Right? And that's interesting. I'm sure it happens. Real Madrid and Barcelona fans probably have the same thing. Man City and Arsenal or Liverpool and probably some fucking cricket team in India. New Delhi is like, all those people from Mobile are idiots. They're just dumber. That's just what it is. Well, stereotypes, though, are not going away. Right. In any way, shape, or form. Are you more prone to those because of the comedy piece? I love them, dude. I love them in a way that's... I think we've got to be careful about over-policing speech. A lot of stereotypes are grounded in something that's real. We talked about it a little bit. Do you remember those infomercials that were like, I think it was Dean Martin's Celebrity Roast or something like that on late night TV? They're trying to sell you the celebrity roast and they give you clips of the jokes and every single one of them was a racial stereotype was don rickles right he was yeah rickles it was dean martin there was uh um yeah what's that black dude uh sammy davis jr no that that guy sammy davis i was uh i don't know this is all these old old guys and everything was a fucking racist joke and everything about frank sinatra was like greaseball italian mafia guy and funny as shit and like and it was like who gives a fuck it was ah the black guy was telling it on one of the clips i remember this is a joke about he was looking at one of the other guys might've been Rickles. It might've been a, who's that Truman Capote, the author. He was there too. And he was like, this guy took me water skiing. And I, and I was like, this is great. He's personifying brotherhood. We're like out here on a, whatever, like doing a recreational activity together. The other, he's like, the other guy told me I'm not personifying brotherhood. i'm baiting the alligators with you or something like that then everyone just fucking laughed hysterically at this racist joke right and then that guy shot back and called him a crowd or make or whatever the fuck and uh i think we're a little sensitive now yeah right yeah a little sensitive Do you enjoy saying stereotypes? Like, do you like to constantly? Yeah. Asians are good at math. You walk around. Black people are good at basketball. Is that your thing? I'm constantly saying it. White people can't dance. White people can't jump. That's all I talk about. No, I don't know. You put it that way. Are you always saying it? No, I just think that we got to be careful of speech. And a lot of people probably push back and be like, well, that's because you've never been persecuted for just your race or gender or sexual. Yeah. And the closest thing I have is someone making fun of my big nose, like saying I look like a Jew, which just seems ridiculous or, or making an Italian joke, which, and I don't mind, but it's, wasn't a matter of life or death or enslavement for me. I mean, the root of not liking Nebraska or rooting against wokeism is probably prejudice, which all of us have. And some of us. Nebraska, I think, is prejudice? I think so. If I just look at. You got anything like that? Like, do you like watching the Raiders lose? No, I don't care. I'm not saying I'm above this. There are certain people, like the play style of certain basketball players or the way they look that I immediately am turned off by it. I can't really analyze why. Right, right. No, specifically, there's just more of a chemistry thing. That's all another ballgame, like little things that irk you that you immediately latch on to, right, where you're like, nope, can't support that. But it would be easy for me to believe that Nebraska, where it's located in the fan base and how they look and how committed they are would be uh would incite some prejudice and you'd want to group all those people together as like farm idiots oh just kind of that right right wing we do it the right way type type thing like but also they they i mean someone just, they were dominant and they kicked our ass forever and everyone's ass. And you just start to be like, if we ever beat them, they really can go fuck themselves. It's like a, I know it's stupid. It's a sport that you're not playing and you have nothing to do with. Yeah. We get emotionally wrapped up into it, right? Well, let me ask you some questions here then. And you can rate these one to 10. 10 being I have some high level prejudice for it. And one being I have none at all. I'm going to answer these two. Let's see where we're at. No, this is your day. Okay. All right. Ageism. Belief that somebody is too old or too young. Okay. Wait, wait. Sorry. In this instance, 10 would be I'm highly worried about it or I'm highly like. Prejudice. Prejudice. Meaning like if you saw a really old person, you'd be like, nope. I
Social Bias and Ageism
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can't work with them. I will not have sex with an 80-year-old. Yeah, whatever. Oh, that's a good question. I mean, I have my things, dude. I have my things. Like I almost think that we should put a cap on the age of the president. One to 10. High level of prejudice for age. Sorry, dude, but you know that I'm a noncommittal deflector. So I'm going to put a five on that one. A five. Okay. Classism. Poor people. Super rich people. I know for a fact that one's high. What? No, I put that as like a two. You mean you think I'm anti rich person? Kind of. No, not really, dude. I might be higher, but in my old age, I see that the people that are most content with life are either pretty rich or pretty poor. I'm starting to see that. That idea that you don't really have to worry about money only comes to the idea that it's never going to happen, so you don't have to worry about it, or that you already have it. Yeah, so you hate the middle class. Your prejudice gets a middle class. Being in the middle, like being on the edge of feeling comfortable always but not actually achieving it, where never feel comfortable makes us do stupid shit. People that are comfortable with their poverty where they're just like, I got enough to survive and that's all I ever have are actually pretty chill people. Yeah. Okay. Well, let's keep going, you noncommittal MF. Homophobia. Easy 10 for you. Yeah, dude. You're always bitching about the trans. Trans ams. Not a Pontiac guy, dude. I'm a Camaro guy. No, I don't. I don't know. Number. Three. Three? Nationalism. Your nation is more important than other nations. Well, my number would be zero. But I want to say this. With the election, because I hear a lot of foreigners are like those idiot gringos elected Trump. And there's a feeling outside of the world. This is my exposure. Some Costa Ricans, not all of them, a lot, most Costa Ricans really like the U.S. And some of the French people that my teachers and stuff, my kids school, I get the idea that people are holding us to the fire as Americans for being overly powerful, overly influential in the world, overly military present around the world with bases. But they're also pissed that the message of Trump is that he doesn't want to support NATO. So you can't have it both ways. You can't be pissed that we're too mighty and powerful and also expect us to always be there to protect the free world. You've got to choose a side. But the reality is right now the U.S. is what brings balance to to the the world whether you like it or not and so you can't be pissed at it on both sides so my only thing about nationalism is like you either got to deal with it or or or be like good i like their inclusive message of america first and then they can go fuck themselves and worry about america and we'll worry about ourselves or you go thank god we have a democratic presence in the world that brings balance to whatever evil is out there. Yeah. Evil. Okay. So that was a two or a one? I said zero. I don't have a lot of national pride, dude. Racism. Other races. Six. Prejudice towards. Six? I feel a seven for you. Okay, seven. Seven. Only the hypocrisy angle of it. Yeah, okay. Religion? Am I deeply religious or do I criticize people that are religious? Prejudice towards? I got a lot of, I'm a hypocrite when it comes to that. I'm a non-hippocrite. I'm kind of a believer, but I think that a lot of religious people are insane. But you could look at all organized religion as a bit of craziness. It's like yours is crazy, but mine's good. You know? Yeah. You're a nine, but yeah, but some of your life experience too, right? Yeah. Prejudice towards though. Like I immediately, if somebody is hyper religious, I very skeptical. Sexism. That's a 10 for you, dude. You're always talking about trim. Trashing women is easy for you. Yeah. Yeah, it's a 10, dude. I love putting down women. Okay. No argument there. All right. I want to talk about that a little bit. It's almost, I mean, I make a joke about it. Maybe we shouldn't. Maybe I'm naive. I know I am naive. Is that even a thing? Sexism? You see, this is where it's foot and mouth for you. Of course it is, dude. I just don't know know. who's I just don't know who's considering like considering that. Like who, I just don't know who's putting that in the equation. I mean, there's little things like, oh, wow, that's a good looking girl, maybe, or something like that, or that includes it. But who is like, can't hire that person because it's a woman? Can't do this because it's a woman? Well, things have changed, but it's in recent history. You have to go back to women's rights. It wasn't too long ago that women earned the right to vote, bro. It wasn't too long ago that women exclusively stayed in the house. And look how that turned out, my friend. Didn't go to college. Yeah, well, maybe. Yeah, you're right. You're right. I mean, you can say the same thing about racism where I'm saying freedom of speech, but it's also like... Yeah. So I get that. We felt it here recently, men, where you feel like if you say one wrong thing in that heavy woke environment, you're ostracized and canceled immediately. So we felt a little bit of it or we're toxic, toxic masculinity. Yeah, I have some confusion and maybe this is sexism, but maybe this is just the poor white man again, right? But the idea like, oh, I still want you to be, I still want chivalry and I still want you to treat me like this in a certain situation, but I want you to give me all the right and flexibility to do and say exactly what I want and treat and everything's got to be the same and you should let me not be in the house, but I also want my kids to grow up perfect and be emotionally stable. It's all kind of confusing, right? Absolutely. And if you go, well, some of the reason that kids are having so many problems is because there's a lot of households where there's not a parent there, and that's due to the women's movement. And that probably sounds pretty sexist, right?
Gender and Racial Dynamics
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But it might be true. Well, there might be some truth in the friction that it's caused but it's right but i mean you could go well then the guy could stay home too which is true as well but there's probably i don't know i mean growing up with a parent present versus growing up without it there's definitely different it's a different experience and there might be some ramifications of that. There might be. We can get it. We can go into that topic. So 10. 10. You're 10. Sexist pussy. Yeah. Xenophobia, the fear of foreign or strange people. Zero? Zero. Okay. Can we challenge that a little? I'm highly against Trump's what the shit him and Joe Rogan and everybody else are talking about how... You like a melting pot. I like a melting pot and that melting pot might result in really negative experiences for a lot of people, but that's okay. I just don't feel like America is under attack because of foreigners. Yeah. Okay. It doesn't matter what color they are. A little bit. Well, you are six on racism. So yeah, you gave me a seven. Oh, I gave you a seven. Well, I think that a person might take me as some sort of racist if I'm, if I speak about reality, like, like for example, when I lived, we lived in a neighborhood that hadn't fully gentrified yet in St. Louis. Every morning when I drive down the street to go to work, there were dudes, black dudes, I don't want to say what's up, funny dudes, but sitting on the front porch drinking 40s like on Wednesday at 9 in the morning. Now, is it racist to acknowledge that? Or is it, is it reality? I just kind of look at it. It was a reality and I lived there so I can talk as much shit as I want because I didn't fucking sit out in the suburbs. I lived down the street from, but I think some people might take that as like, well, you're just like, Oh, you gotta, you gotta analyze how they've been oppressed for all. And I'm like, that's true. It's fair. But they were there drinking 40s on a non-federal holiday so yeah yeah there's that racist lance you tell me dude it's just observation huh right i think that could be looked at as a race like kind of a racist take on it just the acknowledgement of it and even adding the race to it like i go there were black dudes sitting on the front porch as opposed to there was some guys sitting on the front porch drinking alcohol. Right. Well, I think there's been some black academics recently have come out really against some of that, the so-called black culture in the inner city, if you will, and just said, you guys need to get your shit together, which wasn't very popular because of the whole race card. Bill Cosby got vilified for saying that before he got taken down as a sexual predator, but he used to say that shit all the time. Yeah, he did. But I hate to keep using a black example. That makes you sound like more racist. But if you're like down here, you have a lot of Chinese people that own like these mini supers and they're kind of hard-ass people. And it's just a fact. And it's okay here to call it a Chino, to say it's a Chino. The Chino knows he's a Chino, and nobody's like, I can't believe you're calling him the Chino. But it's like, that's what he is, and nobody gives a fuck. If you say something like that in the U.S., it's like, oh, okay. Well, too, one of the counters I've had to the wokeism piece, and in principle, I will say I believe many of the things that they advocate for. But one of the counters I have is not all of us, regardless of our race. I have part Indian in me. You saw my grandma. She looks like a full Indian. I didn't get any of that genetics, but notwithstanding that I look white, very white, but I'm not walking around thinking about my privilege and my power based on the color of my skin. And so high five and other white people. Yeah, dude. I mean, we're all, we're all categorizing and trying to make sense of the world. And I don't think there's any problem with going, what do they call them, Chino shops? Like acknowledging that the vibe there is quite different based upon the origin of the folks that own those stores. You could say that about so many things in the US as well. Is it okay that I want to go get some barbecue from a black guy with a smoker in New Orleans? Somebody here was like, oh, there's a pretty cool place where there's live jazz music. And I was like, are they black? And they're like, no. And I was like, yeah, I'm not going. Yeah. So we're all doing that. That's where partly that woke movement went a little hog wild. And you'll see, you see black men in particular and Latino men moving towards Trump. Like they've never moved towards the right before, because I think they too are tired of having to put their foot in their mouth. We want to call a spade a spade. We want to say what's up. Yeah. just say it, dude. I think the Latino Chicano culture has definitely embraced the stereotypes and enjoy it. They do a pretty good job of not making a negative thing. Latino women get preggers. They're pregnant before 14, almost all of them. Fertile. Yeah. No, I'm kidding. So what else do we need to do to confirm you're a piece of shit here? Yeah. It's funny in all those examples, though, like there is a bit of contrarian in me. I mean, I do have a couple. I can remember a couple times in my childhood where I took up for it. It was like an underdog situation. Maybe like the geek of the neighborhood was getting picked on. I kind of took up. I kind of went kid's side why are you fucking with but it's not this valiant thing and i remember in fifth grade when i moved to new jersey there was a kid that was like uh sort of special needs a little special came from a tough part of town and for some reason i befriended him and was super nice to him to the point where people like what are you guys like really friends and I'd just be like I don't know I've always done shit like that actually and I don't know why it's not definitely not some wonderful thing if I I think I maybe it's like I have a hard time saying no maybe I look at this particular issue with you and why you're a POS is it is because your contrarian ideas feed your noncommittal nature. You know, to really take a side or take a position can be alienating for other people. And it takes thick skin to do that in a real way. And since you like to like, you're a man of the people, you like to like float around and be funny guy. It just doesn't suit your style. I'm not saying it's like a terrible thing. I'm just saying it doesn't suit you to be like, you're goddamn right. You're goddamn right. Those Mexicans need to go back over the border. You're not that guy. I have a bit more of that in me. I'm also not too much that dude, but I have a bit more of that in me. Actually, probably quite a bit more. Not that particular example. Dude, you're right. I could see if an argument was a tennis match. I could see me jumping back and forth over the net and arguing for that person and then jumping the other side of the net and having a counter argument to my own argument, like not committing either side, but having a good point on both sides and never getting anywhere because of it. Yeah. So that's why you're a piece of shit. I think it's like, I mean, we talked a little bit about, this is actually kind of the same topic as last week where it's like not committing to stuff. I think you're right. The glass is
Noncommittal Stances and Humor
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half full. It's like, oh, I can see both sides of it. And the glass is half empty. It's like, well, what's your fucking thought, man? Whose side are you on? In some cases, especially where I think I put a clear argument, but I think you have a tendency to potentially ignore some real issue. For example, I could see you in the case of post 9-11 is Islamophobia, as an example, where people were truly being harassed. There was mass prejudice and racism towards people of Arabian descent in America. And I could see you taking both sides on that to some degree. Likewise, during COVID, I mean, Asian people were getting jumped because the view was COVID came from China and it was all their fault. I could see you trying to make a case. I'm not not saying a strong case but i could see you going there just because and that that's where it's like maybe that's not appropriate but again there are two sides to every coin and this also makes me yeah you're right i know i think you're right i mean those might be a little extreme i don't know if i was like yeah gotta get them asians but but definitely the islamic folks you were i could easily easily rap with a trump supporter and sort of justify like encourage i i have a i have a way of i've realized i have a way of encouraging people to keep saying what they're saying if you drop in something that might not be your opinion but it's like yeah i actually heard heard that that that they were eating ducks, not dogs or something like that. Yeah, no shit. And then the person will keep going. That's your own personal comedy though. I don't know. Maybe, no, but maybe now that what you say, it almost makes it sound like I'm in desperate need of approval and outside attention. So I keep being agreeable so that people are like, I like this mad guy. No, I just think that you're driven by, uh, having a fun conversation with people. You're driven by making a connection to everyone. That's what you're driven by. You're driven like kind of being a little bit of comedian, chameleon. Uh, yeah, it's fine. Whereas you, you've judged judged me me for not warming up to people right away. It still hurts. It still hurts. That's why you're a piece of shit. I will say though, most things I definitely see both sides of it. Except for sex and race, sexism and racism. You only your side well i i can i consider myself a pretty progressive guy and i but i could see the people that are like i can under people are like well clearly we're not meant to be gay or we wouldn't be here or whatever religious you know or all those arguments with like for maybe for you or for or or people like more progressive might be like, that's insane. That is fucked up religious brainwashing. And I'll be like, I can kind of understand where they're coming from. But I also like don't have any problems with, with gay friends or anything. And like, I would never be like, what are you doing, man? Like, so I'm, that's what sounds kind of wishy washy, but I can kind of understand both sides of that, you for some reason, I can't understand the appeal of Nebraska football. What a mystery, man. What a mystery. Yeah, but interesting to kind of break down your personality. Contrarian. Noncommittal contrarian because you like to circulate around everybody. You like to be the guy that people like. He's funny. Hey, Matt's funny. That guy's funny. That's what you like, right? I'm just trying to think where I'm at right now. I kind of, like, I don't know. I'm trying to think of other sports examples, and I think it comes down to that, like a lot of that. Like, what's the appeal of, like, you got your teams, you root for for your home teams and stuff, but like, what is, who do I like to root for? Cause it's not always an underdog. Like I do like a, like a, I think it's pretty cool to see a dynasty. And, but, but like, for example, I like LeBron James a lot more now than because of all the criticism he takes. I've taken up for him because people are ridiculous about like, Oh, he's know it's like come on dude dude's been fucking he's been dominating for 30 what 20 years so but i like that story now i might have saw him as a villain like for a while you know right so what is that you know same with deon sanders and then in the 90s i probably like, it was this flashy fuck who's like arrogant and cocky. And now I'm like,
Changing Sports Allegiances and Narratives
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I kind of like how he's like going double birds to the world and doing it the way he wants. Yeah, I think that's more of the contrarian piece. It is. Yeah. But I can't pin it on like an underdog story or like we all latched on to Jordan in the 90s. It was like this is – I don't know anyone actually that was like fuck the bulls. No, I was rooting heavy for the jazz in those two series. Yeah, I liked – Only because my dad lived there, we traveled. I traveled there a lot and saw the games there. Well, yeah, people in Utah in 98, 97 liked the Jazz. Yeah. And probably some racist people that want to see Stockton win. Stockton. Hornacek was pretty good, too. Another honk on that. I love that. I love those guys because they were the whitest, dude. So was Malone. Malone's the whitest black dude. He has a semi, right? He's all into trucking and shit. I like that, dude. Because that was just a different look in the 90s, those guys. Because the 90s were all... That's when gangster rap was flowing and people started to get a little more like, we're going to be arrogant. But then on the other side of it, dude, one of my favorites was Latrell Sprewell, who was like the ultimate. Yeah, I love that dude, man. Like everything about him. But he was the ultimate like defiant dude who said, fuck my coach and fuck everything. But in the end, he was just a misunderstood guy and was great talent. So I don't know. I wish I could pin it on like this is what I like. I like the underdog story. I didn't like Nebraska because of this. Honestly, I don't know. I know you like rooting for honkies. That's one thing I know. Right. In basketball. Love it, dude. Love it. You love Jokic. You love that he's so dominant and so frumpy and dumpy and white. You're going to rip me up for this, but I think I love the person that he is. I like the way he talks. I like the way he deals with every situation. I like the way he deals with dudes on the other team. You never hear anybody say anything bad about him, even his big rivals. And he's torn up these dudes now for five years. And they're just like, and so I don't know what he's like behind closed doors. He might be a dick. This might be a show. But I feel like if I was an international superstar, I would like to be like him. Okay. Yeah. He's a special case. Is there white dude in the nba you're not rooting for you love all the the whites don't you uh i have to go through the list i i can't think any that i don't like but i but i'm not supporting them all either like there's somebody you're not following them you're not following grady dick from toronto it's a they're a unicorn though so so i I find find it it interesting. Okay, so it's a rarity. It's changing. You weren't exactly glomming on to the WNBA because of your sexism, right? Not at all. I couldn't. Yeah, you really got in. You know the players. I know it all. I don't have that issue. Sexism doesn't. But are you just doing that to be righteous and justified? It feels that way a little bit. You think you're better than everyone with the WNBA. Well, I'm effing with you because it's good podcast content. But you know a lot more about the WNBA than probably almost any other man out there. I followed it early. I mean, I followed it early. I followed certain players. Why? What drew you to it? Okay, this is going to be a common response from men who follow it, but there is a purity to the game where it's not just visceral athleticism, flying around and tomahawk dunking. There is a purity to what they have to do in terms of team play. And there's still some amazing feats of athleticism. Don't get me wrong. Is there any – and somebody's arguing and be like, that's great, but if I'm going to watch them, I should watch the best. It's better to always watch the best at it. It's just different. I don't know. I mean, I think there are some styles to play in the Dumbie NBA that rival. Like if I gave them the athleticism of a certain man, I think they come in and they're no joke. I think they come in and they're top based on their style. Like Nafisa Collier. Because they play the game, right? Yeah. I put Nafisa Collier and jason tatum's body she is going to crush in the nba that's what i'm talking about most men have no idea the fuck you're talking including the one sitting right in front of you right now well whatever yeah okay so that's great but i never i didn't even make a sexist decision that i just never even it's like i'm busting your balls dude i know I'm just no but my point is like I think a lot of people there isn't a message like if you haven't if you're a basketball fan you haven't gotten the NBA it's because you're sexist it's like yeah you just can't take it that women it's like not really I just never haven't got into it yet you know this is like right just hasn't happened but I did I mean we you and I have been texting each other on. They show them here on Sundays. I definitely got caught up in the media hype where they're pushing it more. I definitely wanted to watch Clark and the girl from LSU, Angela Reese. It's funny though. Those girls are both going to be pretty good, but there's some girls that are way better than both of them right now like the way they play just because they're rookies and young but they're women matt they're women well i'm 47 all those girls are fucking kids to me like diana tarrasi will probably still play next year and she'll be like 41 or maybe even older child uh right but professional athletes are younger than us, bro. Yeah, they are. Yeah, okay. They're not girls, though. Caitlin Clark, though, just to talk about judgments, especially if you're a white man in America, there is an immediate judgment about Caitlin Clark versus Angel Reese. Now, Angel Reese, she's a bit of a prima donna, without a doubt, the way she presents herself. She's much more attractive than Caitlin Clark, in my opinion, but whatever. That doesn't matter. She's a prima donna and she's annoying in that sense. And Caitlin Clark's sort of like, I'm all business. Do it the right way. Hoosiers type mentality is annoying too. And they're only annoying because they're so popular, but there's some immediate judgments about both of them. I would lean though more towards a Caitlin Clark approach because I hate the prima donna thing. But do you believe like WNBA is like, finally, finally we can, we can mark, we have it. We have the rivalry. We have the rival attitude. We have this girl who's arrogant versus this humble girl. Now we have something that we, and honestly, we've all, like, that's probably one of the reasons I even watched it. They love it. It's political theater. Like, the same ideas, how these media networks are pitching these ideas about immigration and all this shit. It's like, all right, it's like you got Caitlin Clark in the leagues fucking with her and all this shit. And you got this other girl talking shit, like being like, I'm going to do what I want and I can play. And like, it's like perfect. Cause then you got a villain, you got someone to root for and root against, right? And it was on the rise before in the sense that they did, like they were Kelsey Plum, like the, cause there is that whole argument of the token white person now. And Sabrina Inescu were kind of the face, Sue Bird, the face of the WNBA in many instances. Their picture was everywhere because in a society like America, they're much more acceptable faces. So there was some backlash there, but this just allowed it to get.
Race in Advertising and Comedy
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I don't know those girls. What's about their faces? They're white girls or they're soft features? They're attractive white girls, yes. You think the league is pushing them because that's more palpable for middle America? Well, I think that the actual advertisers and people, the marketers are saying, I want that face when you put my product next to your product. Yeah, absolutely. You know, most of advertising is rooted in like showing something that you don't have that you would desire. So if you put some, you know, raggedy, God, I'm going to get canceled, but raggedy woman who's a self-disclosed lesbian, the bulk of society doesn't clamor for that as they think to buy a new Chevy. You know who Don Imus is? He made a comment. I think it was about WNBA, like a bunch of nappy-headed bitches or something like that. I was doing stand-up when it happened, but there was a black comic, Moe Alexander, a friend of mine, a Memphis comic. I don't remember the joke, but he had a joke. It was basically like, well, we should actually call them what they are. The joke was like a bunch of nappy-headed bitches. It was something like that. Not doing a joke. He did say that, but that was the image of the league at the time, right? Well, he doesn't get canceled today, Imus. No way. You mean today, like today, right? I mean, like in the last... I'd say in the last year, he doesn't get canceled. Did he get canceled? I have no idea. I'm sure he's doing something. He's pretty old though, isn't he? That guy? Yeah. That guy was, he was on WFN when I lived in New Jersey, like in the eighties. So, uh, and Netflix stood up for a Chappelle. Now Chappelle went hardcore in his trans jokes and he was doubling down, tripling down on it. And they stood by him because it's comedy. And I think what I miss does is pretty much comedy. Some of that, we, we got to tame that because the other, you know, black folks can talk about how stupid white people are and how they'll, hello, guy. Hey, guy. Oh, oh, oh, I'm a white guy. Oh, ho, ho, ho. They can do that shit all day long and we're all good with that. But that's, and if that is just because white people are in power, that's an interesting, interesting dynamic, jokes are jokes, and then we can talk about societal discrimination. We know that guy, and that guy bothers us just as much as that overly stiff white dude. It's like, what's the fucking problem, dude? You're bringing us down. Stop it. Just like the white trash guy. The funniest thing you said on the last episode was something about, it was the last one where you're talking about the guy in the trailer park, but he had a rat tail. Like the fucking rat tail. We hate the rat tail more than anything about any other race. The rat tail gave the white boy a real bad name. That's the guy starting fires and putting cats in microwaves. That rat tail kid is a fucking nuisance. You're in Massachusetts. A guy walks out of a lab with a cure for cancer out of the MIT cancer lab and he turns around and has a rat tail. You just walk away, right? No. No, I've got two family members dying of cancer. I will not take that vial. I will not take that antidote from a rat tail. Are people still doing that? Like when the mullet came back, the rat tails come back? I don't know. It's a disgusting look. It's the worst. I can't even eat around it. Like if I were in a restaurant and somebody has a rat tail, I almost have to leave. Probably because that person has gunk, you know, on the sides of their lips and maybe some, some shit in their teeth is permanent. You know, the black stuff in people's teeth that's permanent. Yeah. Rat tail guy's got that. Yeah. He's got the tartar too. Yeah. Well, I think it's a flannel PJs in public. Once again, we're right. We also. Did we come off as racist in this episode? Maybe, huh? So we got it back, though, with White Rattoe guy. I think we pulled it back in. Well, we're still recording, so we'll keep this in. I like that you're worried about it. But you were a a seven seven in in terms of prejudice against races I was a six you bumped me up to seven okay I bumped you to seven based on my experience with you I just I'm not a I'm not in a place where I ignore realities there there are real realities and yes there are and in your defense you're living in a place where you are the minority I love it that's probably why i enjoy it right because the contrarian and the and everything i'm like oh great because there was i saw some shit last night uh like trump was gonna win and there are people here pinchy gringos pick this idiot what the fuck are they thinking all this shit these are just uninformed people that only have like cnn as a lens into the united states but still want us to protect them like and you're like bring it buddy that only that only allows me
Personal Prejudice and Genuine Connections
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to be myself you know so this is pretty funny but but i i'd like to hate we like to hate i like to hate equally white people everyone i'd like to say i'd like to be accepting of all people but the reality is i just like to talk shit about everyone it's just where i'm at in my life right now i'm sorry lance probably have a hit show if i wasn't such a fucking downer i agree i agree i've heard that uh all right buddy well good talking to you what's my walk away dude like i always like to end the show i don't know what it is like is the contrarian thing get me in trouble is it i don't know i think it's your you have awareness of your tendency is is your walk away but is it like do i try to take a side i don't know if that's the right way to handle it no be yourself be yourself talk shit about everybody make jokes relate love hate make love the only thing i will say is like you maybe find, in whatever it is, a work success, your friend's success. Comedy is a very jealous thing, and you'll find people that get jealous of other people's success instead of celebrating it, your friend's success. I don't want to be that guy in anything I do. I would like to at least, not necessarily, I'll probably never like watching Nebraska win, but I would like to be more of a guy that's happy for people when they succeed instead of a guy that's like, ha ha, you fuckers lost. That's my takeaway. I would like that outside of the idea of race and sex and sexism. I would just rather be happy for other people's success even if I didn't get a piece of that apple in whatever we're doing. I don't
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okay more joy and success than more joy and but in the bitterness of failure o i'm gonna edit that out oh
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this po os is produced by matt lance engineered by lance rock music backing track by jeff bremner audio thank you for listening