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The American Craftsman Podcast Ep. 44 | Dream Collaborations
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On Episode 44 of The American Craftsman Podcast, hosted by Greene Street Joinery, we talk about collaborations.
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Podcast Meetup Announcement
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episode 44 of the American Craftsman podcast. We've been running around all day. I know it feels good to settle in now. Oh yeah. Yeah. Kind of under the gun with, uh, you know, getting things lined up for this delivery tomorrow and stuff with picking up a U-Haul and all that. So doing the podcast a little bit early today, about an hour and a half earlier than we usually start. So I'm going to pick up the U-Haul tonight for tomorrow.
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Then tomorrow we'll haul it. Oh yeah. That'd be nice. You always feel classy when you ride in one of those. Nothing instills confidence in your client like pulling up in a rented, run down vehicle. They promised to give us the cream of the crop though, you know. That's true.
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It's going to say like greetings from Tennessee or something on the side. Like a lizard. Yeah. No, we'll have like an acoustic guitar or something. Nashville Music City. Anywho, listen, August 7th, 2.30 PM, the official American Craftsman podcast meetup at Belford Brewing Company in Belford, New Jersey. Just about, what, a mile from the shop.
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Yeah, yeah real close So I'm gonna have to make some kind of Facebook event or something I don't know people still use Facebook and I don't know we can try and get some kind of headcount Just so I can let them know. I mean they could fit up to a hundred people I don't foresee there being a hundred people No, but we get two dozen or so. I'd be happy. Yeah. Yeah
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So we're going to have 36 glasses, these glasses, that we're going to give to the first 36. Hopefully, hey, it'd be cool if there's more than 36. But if you want a glass, show up early. So they're only open until, I think, 6 o'clock. So that's why we're doing it early. We're going to do four originally.
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So yeah, 230, Belford Brewing Company on Leonardville, Leonardville Road in Belford, New Jersey. Do they have food there? No. We were thinking about trying to figure something out with that. Maybe there's a place next door, Pueblo Mahico, which is really good Mexican. We got big mics up the road. So, well, maybe I'll try and start the event and I'll pick people's brains and see. Yeah, yeah. Especially if we get a head count, we can maybe get an idea of what to bring in there for Nosh and
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Just, you know, pack your pockets with, uh, pretzels,
Patreon Livestream Design Workshop
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peanuts. Yeah. Half pound or two of black forest ham.
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Not those chocolate covered variety. They'll melt in your pocket today. M&Ms, that's why they're invented. And then also next week, which didn't realize it was next week, at 11 Eastern on Tuesday, July 13th, we got the Patreon live stream, a live design workshop. So our buddy Jerry, who's one of our patrons, he's going to be on
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the other end, and we're going to live design and go back and forth. Oh, cool. A piece for him. He's going to be the test subject. So we're going to show you guys live how we go about and Rob will be the one.
Custom Home Design Preferences
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Primarily, he's the design guru. I'll play a switch switchboard guy. Yeah.
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So, yeah, if you want to check that out, join the Patreon links in the description that goes that's available to any tier patron. Oh, cool. From three dollars, three dollars a month. So, yeah, we'd love to have you on that. It'll be our second livestream. This is something that we're doing quarterly. So four times a year. We asked the patrons, what do you want us to talk about? And design is what they pick. So.
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That's going to be fun. Yeah. Does Jerry know what he's gotten himself into? I think. Oh yeah. I think he said he has like a little butler's pantry. Oh yeah. There we go correctly. So I'm going to see if Jerry wants a butler's pantry. It's going to have like some of that bead board and white inset with really skinny rails and styles.
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We just, because nine out of 10 times when a room like that appears, it's, they'll give us a picture of something and go, oh, can you do something like this? Or identically like this. If it's a mud room, forget about it. While there's pantry, I could see maybe going like wood, some people. Yeah.
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Um, even like homes that I worked in that were like super custom homes, but even custom homes are cookie cutter as hell. Yeah. White kitchen, butler's pantry. Okay. We're doing walnut. Oh, nice. We'll see. We'll see what Jerry wants. All right. Um, kind of went out of order here, but I guess let's get to the beer of the week. Yeah. It's hot out there. It's about, it's 90 right now. They said it feels like a hundred. Let me get my, uh, I keep forgetting about the B roll video.
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Now, Turner sideways. This week we have a larger brewer than usual. Yes. Still small, but, you know, relatively speaking. So yeah, this week we have Yingling traditional lager. Original amber beer, brewed in Pottsville, Pennsylvania. Isn't that home of Zippo as well? Is it? I didn't know that. America's oldest brewery. That's the part I knew.
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This is a special edition, team red, white, and blue, enriching veterans' lives. Ah, that's what the RWB stands for. There you go. So we actually got three of these. I forget
Beer of the Week: Yingling Traditional Lager
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that when I turn my head back there, that the mic's not picking up the sound.
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Uh, yeah, because one, it looks awfully small in these glasses. You're 16 ounce glasses. So at the meetup, they'll literally be pouring beer into these glasses. So, uh, you know, it's got a nice golden color.
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Now, I remember in college, I went to school in West Virginia, and I guess maybe they had just begun distributing to West Virginia. Like, Yingling was only in 13 states at that point, so I don't know how many it's in now, but it's not available everywhere. That's kind of like what the story of Smokey and the Bandit's based on, you know.
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I thought that was like moonshine or something. No, that was Coors, I think. And they couldn't get it west of the Mississippi or something to that regard. Or east of the Mississippi. Right, right. That's what it was. Much to the chagrin of old Deadwood. As my phone is still recording. May he rest in peace. Now this 12-ouncer went
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We'll have to drink some of them, and then pour more. Yeah. Mine did alright. Cheers. Cheers to you, my friend. Cheers to all you. That's a decent, regular beer. Yep. That's what I'll say. The head, or the foam, as they say,
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Kind of has that cheap beer taste. Like getting through that down to the beer. You gotta get to the beer. That tastes like cheap beer. This almost tastes like Coors regular. Like, you know, Coors banquet beer.
Tool of the Week: Festool Conturo
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It kind of tastes like that. Yeah. That's what the real Cowboys drink. Let these settle out.
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So let us know if you guys have had yingling. Yeah, I think it's mostly a Northeast and and well, I think the whole East Coast now is sort of they probably get it. Yeah, because I've heard people that are from like Florida and stuff talking about like yingling.
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Yeah, it just tastes like a regular. I mean, I guess, well, whatever. Screw the format. I'm talking about the beer now. It just tastes like sort of like a regular beer, but it's got more maltiness to it. Yeah, it's pretty crisp. Yeah, it's definitely. You know, it's not like packed with flavor, but it's. It's got a lacy whitehead. Yeah.
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Billie. Well, this week's Tool of the Week.
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We don't physically have it present. It's too big. Yeah. And it was all tied into into the table. But this this also. Oh, well, now it's the second question because I messed up, but ties into our what will make the first question. Yeah. So I don't know if you want to read the question. Sure, I will. It's what do you think about the new contour? That's from our patron Jerry G.A. Woodshaw on Instagram.
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I love it. Yeah. Um, and I, I know I would love it if we hadn't had the experience with that sort of semi budget model, but after trying out something that's
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you know, that a lot of people would probably opt for because of the cost and all those things. That's one of the knocks on the on the Festool line of tools is they are expensive. But it's like another world, another universe of machinery compared to the first one. Yeah, I was saying it's like, you know, the other one is like a rock. Yeah. And then this one's like
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Not even a hammer. It's like something better than hammer. Cell phone. Yeah. It's because now the old one had, you know, they all kind of operate the same way from the big machines to the handheld ones. Something applies glue to the tape and there's some kind of pressure roller. And then there's a feed, whether that's you or, you know, the machine itself. Yep.
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And the two pieces meet the wood or, you know, the substrate and the tape with the glue on it meet. And on the other end, it's the edge banded. Right. So the contour, it's again, if you've had Festool tools,
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They're just they're so nifty and how they figure out how to do the little things right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you can guarantee with a festival that that almost everything has been very well thought out. Yeah.
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that was the biggest thing about the contour. So we had this, the CBC flex from Moxiwa and it, we like got it to work on some shelves and stuff. And it was like, well, this is like, it's okay. Like it is putting the edge banding on there. There's some extra glue and it's kind of finicky trying to figure out like how much glue and there's no, the adjustment is just like a, a infinitely turning wheel.
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It's like we got it figured out and then we start to edge band the TFL for the tree job and it's not not working having issues with the glue and the heat The temperature is going out of control now granted. They sent us a replacement part, but It was not working to the point where I'm not gonna open this thing up start replacing a major component It's a temperature controller. It's the main it's the brain of this whole thing and
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So we needed something on such short notice. Like that's the thing about Festool is you can buy it with confidence and know that it's going to work. Like it wasn't a question of, well, should we try the contour or see if it works? No, we know it's going to show up and you plug it in. We just got to pay for it. Yeah. And it only took us what, six.
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18 inch runs of practice runs to get it get down using it. Yeah, it's They just They simplify a complicated tool all the time. Yep So we really dig the contour Oh we got we haven't really tried it freehand yet and
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because we bought the table. Yeah. Yeah. And it's it's like it's like an edge banding machine. It really is. Yeah. The only difference is we have to feed the material. We're sort of guided. Yeah. It does technically sell. Yeah. Feed. But yeah you've got to you know.
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Just make sure it doesn't get hung up, kind of. Right. The genius, I feel, of the contour. Well, one of the really cool things is how they apply the glue to the tape. Yeah, that's the main difference is with all these other machines, the Moxiwa, I'm trying to think of what other brands there are that do that.
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like the machines like a grizzly or something like that that yeah yeah like the Vera text the grid the grizzly there's a bunch of different branded Oliver has one Felder and they're all very similar they look they all look you know basically identical they have a
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like a chocolate fountain. The glue climbs up a roller and then you push the work into the roller and it applies a glue to the workpiece. Looks like tahini though. Yeah. The cool thing about the festival is it actually the tape comes past, it puts glue onto the tape and then the tape goes onto the piece. And it puts on the glue through these little tiny sprayer jets.
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Yeah, and it puts lines of glue. So when you press it, when you burnish it against the feed roller, it presses everything flat and you get a nice even disbursement of glue. These other ones, granted we've only used the Moxiwa, aside from we've used automatic edge banders.
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running the piece into the glue. That's where the problem lies. So you almost need to account for like a glue snipe or something like cut off because you know if the temperature is not consistent you're getting differing consistencies in the glue. You know you have to do the adjustment so that when it runs into this roller you're not getting all kinds of squeeze out on the top and bottom.
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There is a little bit of squeeze out with the festival, but it all just falls to the lower part of the roller that's beneath the table and you literally can just pick it off.
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Yeah, you use their proprietary glue which is in like this puck form. And you don't just dump it in like a hopper like the other things. It's like fed by a plunger. So it's pressure extruded out of the holes of this thing that shut off depending on the height adjustment.
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It's it's an amazing it's an amazing bit of kid as they say. So we thoroughly enjoy it.
Purchasing from Tool Nut
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We love our festival stuff. We're not fanboys like we have all we have a lot of Makita things in the shop.
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Um, we, we have, uh, lesser expensive things like the Veritas measuring stuff and a couple of planes. Um, so we're not, uh, total snobs when it comes to that stuff. I'm not going out buying festival drills.
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No, no, we have we have little Bosch 12 oscillating tool, you know stuff like that the festival stuff I'm sure is very very nice, but you know Yeah, there's specialty stuff is where that where it really shines router Sanders stuff like the contour Oh
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, even the MF, we got the MFT table so you can, you can edge band, you know, parts that are 45 degree. That's right. Down an edge. Uh, so yeah, I mean that machine is nice. Yeah. So.
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That's the
Q&A: Preferred Tools and Finishes
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contour. Oh, that's a tool of the week. Go out and pick one up. Yeah. We'll have a link in the description and affiliate link. So if you buy one, we'll probably get like about $2 and 50 cents. You know, we sit, we should shout out to the guys that got it. Oh yeah. Yeah. So we called tool nut. They're up in New York, about 80, 90 miles north of us. And it was one 30 on a
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Was it a Thursday? The day of the week doesn't matter. Yeah. And we said, listen, you know, we're in a pinch. We got to get this, this, uh, I think it was a Wednesday. We got to get this edge bander, uh, because the one that we have just, it's not working. And we, we had to finish that tree by the end of the week. Yeah. Cause we told the client basically that we would. Um, so we said, yeah, you know, we're trying to figure out if, uh,
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If you guys would be able to get it out to us quick or if we drive up there, you know, what's going to be faster? And they said, all right, listen, we're going to, it was one 30. We're going to get it out today. We had it the next day, 10 AM. Yeah. And that's when I went out and found it. It might've been out there from nine.
00:19:33
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Right. Amazing, because we're still waiting for stuff. It was UPS. If it was FedEx, we'd probably still be waiting for it. We're still waiting for things that shipped out before that. Yeah. Yeah, the supply chain is really it's not what it used to be, huh? No, no. I mean, we got packages held up at port in China. Yeah.
00:20:04
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Good old China. Yeah. That's the rope. Yeah. Yeah. That's a story for another day. All right. So are we ready for the first, second question? The first, second question is from one of our newest patrons and our inaugural female patron. Yeah. Unless, I mean, we also have a patron named Kim, so I don't know. It could be a man or it could be a woman.
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We're going to have to hear. Yeah. Yeah. So Mary Beth. I know. So this is why I'm laughing. This is our question. This is Mary Beth. Answer me these questions. Three. What is your name? What is your quest? And what is the capital of Assyria? I had to look this up.
00:20:57
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I'm sure half of you are giggling and the other half are scratching their heads. You're like, what is that in reference to? I know this has got to be from something. From Monty Python and the Holy Grail, which I have seen, but I haven't digested it well enough to be able to quote it like that.
00:21:20
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So, the hard part is the capital. Yeah. I had to look that up, too. Yeah, Syria dissolved in the 7th century. Yeah, so it's Assur, A-S-S-U-R is the capital of Assyria. And then what was that other big city?
00:21:36
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Well, there was Nineveh. Yeah. And it was basically in the, the fertile crescent that area referred to as a, you know, like the cradle of civilization. Yeah. The Northern Iraq and Turkey, Turkey. Yeah. Yeah. And what's now Syria. Yup.
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So your name, we know that. We're Jeff and Rob. What's our quest? Depends what time of day. We're out here trying to change the world.
00:22:17
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Yeah. Well, you know, in all seriousness, we try to make the world a better place by, you know, just being as good a people as we can be and doing as good a work as we can. You know, we put a lot of stock in that. Yeah. And I'd say, you know, trying to educate
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Not that we're the end all be all source of information because we're, we, there's, we're students. Yeah. Thousands and 10, probably tens of thousands of people that know more than we do. Um, but we try and pass along the information that we have, you know, because we're so thirsty for information. So to have, you know, a source of information is great. Even like clients, you know, we went to this client's house today
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He's got a table that he bought on Etsy that cracked because, you know, the construction was improper. And we're going to fix it with a bow tie on the bottom side. But, you know, we took the time to, you know, explain the reasonings. And I mean, we have in-depth conversations about the how and why with people when really we could just say, yeah, we're going to fix it. We'll be back next week. Right. Because it's a little job. I mean, you're talking a couple hundred bucks.
00:23:34
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Yeah. But we enjoy meeting people that show an interest in what we do and and in in the craft world in general. Right. And an educated client is a good client because they understand, you know, he bought this table on Etsy from some guy in Texas for like two thousand bucks. I'm like, listen, this guy is that's a hobby. Yeah. Because you can't sell it for that and make a profit.
00:24:03
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No, no, no, you can't make you live in that way. So even that is educating the client, you know? Yeah, because he's at he's like, oh, yeah, like what, you know, what would it cost if you guys built this table? We didn't want to say it first. Because. When you when you talk to a client, you don't want them to have unfair expectations of what is possible. So if they're educated on the process and the cost and all those things, it makes your job
Working with Reclaimed Wood
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easier.
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Yeah. Yeah. We have done it a little bit differently. We can maintain that style, which he enjoys. Yeah. But it's funny. He called it a farmhouse table. But to me, it was more contemporary. Yeah. Because of the angles of everything. And how thin the top was. You know, farmhouse table. I'm thinking an inch and a half thick top. And the angles and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. He expected the top to be thicker. Yeah. Seven ace. It looked so thin. Yeah. Yeah.
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Because plus we were working on those tops that are much thicker. Engine three quarter. Yeah. Yeah. All in all, nice table though. Yeah. I thought so too. Hell of a deal at $2,500 or whatever it was.
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Yeah, yeah. So our names, our quest, and the capital of Assyria for everybody, I'll repeat that, Assyra. We all learn something every day, don't we? Tried to. Got a next question here coming in from Vince, one of our patrons, RobVinceP on Instagram.
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Brooklyn boy is Rubio monocoat really one coat. Do you like it more than or have had any experience with Osmo? I Haven't had any experience with Osmo. Have you? Well, I mean we've we've used it and put on one coat on some samples. I think we've tried adding coats. I
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Yeah, to try and like get a darker color. Yeah. More saturated sort of. Yeah. Like on little sample blocks we've tried, we've experimented. With limited success. Yeah. It doesn't really want to take any more. In all the furniture we've done, we've just put on that one coat. Yeah. And buffed it out. Now I've heard of people putting on more than one coat.
00:26:29
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I don't know what their success or failure in that was, but I mean, it's monocode is one coat. I think you really need to just get a good coat. Yeah, the application is key. Yeah, it's like anything. If you see it like any of these penetrative finishes, if you see a dry spot when you're finishing, you need to work more finish into there. Yeah, yeah.
00:27:00
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So I'm guessing that Vince hasn't really tried it skeptical. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, cause it sounds appealing, right? If you're, especially if you're, you know, elbow grease in three, four, five, six coats of something on. Yeah.
00:27:18
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Yeah, I mean, I think people think of Rubio like it's this cure-all where it's like, man, I've spent all this time finishing. I could just put this on and it doesn't give you, it's like any of these, like these are just tongue oil. It doesn't give you the protection of other finishes. So don't think of it as like, yeah, I'm gonna put one coat on, it's gonna be the same as polyurethane. It's not that.
00:27:43
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It doesn't have that deep of a feel to it to me either. Yeah, you know because it's one coat. Yeah, I mean is it does it does a good job for one coat. Yeah, you have to you have to say that yeah, I'd say for low like not low use but
00:28:03
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You know, for things that don't get handled a lot, like a bed frame or something like that, it's fine because it doesn't, you're not touching it constantly or we're putting glasses on it. It's like anything, it's a finish that requires maintenance. True. So to answer your question, yes. Yeah.
00:28:29
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Say follow, always follow manufacturer recommendations. Yeah, they're pretty thorough too. Rubio has some thorough instructions on the can. All right. This is from Miles, patron. Eat, drink wine guy on Instagram. And he's asking, who is someone on YouTube, Instagram, or that, you know, that you would like to do some sort of collaboration with?
00:28:58
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What would that collaboration be? I like that question. Now, the first person that pops into my mind is John Peters. I mean, we've worked with John before, done
00:29:12
Speaker
I don't know, maybe half a dozen little videos in the shop. We haven't had the chance to like have John in the shop to actually build something. And I think because we already have, you know, a rapport and a friendship that it would be, it'd be a lot of fun to actually have John in the shop for a week and work together and, and have something a little more long format.
00:29:34
Speaker
I'm going to, I'm going to pull one out only based on the time we spent together on our podcast. I'm going to say while Willie. Yeah.
00:29:48
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First off, he's done an amazing amount of stuff. And every time I hear him say something, it's like, man, I've never done anything like that. Man, I've never done anything like that either. He's all over the place in terms of building furniture and even being a musician, all those good things.
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So I would say him plus he's really a character, too. Yeah, so it would be a real entertaining time and educational as well So that's where I'm going and what's his what's Willie's? Handle or whatever how a wild Willie's wood shop
00:30:31
Speaker
Wild Willy's Woodshop. Yeah, he's been a little, little, um, MIA on social media. We did, I talked to him, I don't know, maybe two weeks ago. Yeah. People should check him out. Oh yeah. Yeah. And John Peters got his Instagram back. Yep. He's John Peters underscore. Yeah. Uh, somebody, uh, hijacked it there for half a minute. All too common these days, unfortunately. Put on two, two step verification on your accounts.
00:31:00
Speaker
Yeah. So that was a good question. Yeah. I had one here coming in from Brian at Great Point Woodworks on Instagram. Have you guys done much using old reclaimed lumber?
00:31:14
Speaker
Um, uh, back in the olden days, I did two jobs talking 1800 early 2000s. Um, yeah, I had a request specifically for reclaimed
00:31:31
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pine to be used in a kitchen. And that was when our old buddy Larry Hut still worked up there at Eastern Hardwoods. And he got me these beams out of a place in Newark of all things, because now we're in Newark and we see all the gentrification going on.
00:31:54
Speaker
It was a, a warehouse that was about 200 years old and these were beams, big 12 by 12 beams. And he had it Reese on into boards for me. So it had all like the nail. I mean, as you saw it full of nail holes and, and worm holes and stains from the nails. Yeah. I mean, it was, uh,
00:32:20
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truly, you know, beam type wood. And that was, that was kind of fun because it kind of left you a little bit of creative license. You know, we're so worried about all of the defects in the world and everything that that was really a nice vacation.
00:32:37
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got a den on the corner. No big deal.
Project Scheduling and Music in the Shop
00:32:41
Speaker
And one other thing I did was for my now friend's Carlos was Carlos and Michelle at the time they wanted some sort of like seat that was by their front door. And I made it out of a hunk of I don't even know. I don't even know if you could call it a beam because it was about two feet wide and about a foot thick.
00:33:07
Speaker
And I just went out to like a mill and got this hunk of it. And that's when I bought that plane. What plane? That scraper plane, because I thought, you know, that's how I was going to flatten it. Oh, God. You know, because I flattened one side by hand. You're on the wrong spectrum. Yeah. This was early on. I didn't know what was what. But I wound up flattening that with just a jack plane. Yeah.
00:33:38
Speaker
And that's it. That's my whole reclaimed wood story. Yeah. I'm trying to think. I built those railings. Oh yeah. Yeah. Now this is like reclaimed wood that that didn't end up as something that was like supposed to look reclaimed.
00:33:57
Speaker
So I built these curved cedar railings for this guy. The shop we used to work in with, quote unquote, Tom. This guy who Tom used to do work for, he's like a commercial contractor. We did, you know, some restaurants and stuff like that.
00:34:24
Speaker
He, for his house, needed these railings replaced. So we went, Rob and I took him out, brought him back to the shop, and he somehow, in a building he was working on, got these big pieces of cedar that were, it was like probably 12 or 16 quarter by 12 inches.
00:34:44
Speaker
So cut it up, jointed it, planed it, and cut the big curved rail. It was a big arch in the whole thing. It was really like an S-curve. Yeah.
00:34:57
Speaker
So, yeah, I mean, that's really the only I've messed around with some of that pine that you had left over. The last boards are back in the back 40. Yeah, it's it got all pithy and everything is no good. We have a couple of drawer fronts in the shop and they actually two of them stuck and I was playing. Oh, yeah. Just like like turning into like dust in the mouth of my plane. I couldn't even play. I could bust out the spokeshave. It could barely plane it. Yeah.
00:35:26
Speaker
So yeah, I don't think yeah. Other than that, that was another Tom. Yeah. Tom Kay. Yeah. We went out there to install. He was pretty nice to us. He said, Oh yeah, you guys need anything? Let me know. And then he locked the devil.
00:35:45
Speaker
If you need anything, go somewhere else. Yeah, if you need anything, you got my cell phone number, right? No, we don't. Oh, okay. Go around, walk around back, walk to the front of the house and ring the doorbell. Oh man. But, and it's also, it's, it's expensive too, that, that would. Yeah. Especially now, you know, you used to be able to get it for less, but became, it was in, it's in vogue, as they say.
00:36:11
Speaker
Like the counters we're building for Newark, originally they were interested in something more rough, you know, live edgy, rough sawn, and it was actually easier for us to just do a nicely finished thick countertop out of solid wood. Yeah, I think they were going for the same thing that we gave them just with a live edge basically, but slabs are, you know, slabs are really expensive.
00:36:39
Speaker
Yeah. So what's your go to wood glue brand and type? That's from Conner. Fallen Oh Custom on Instagram. I'm going to type on three man. Yeah. Well, Brian, I agree with you. I'm type bond all the way. But I don't know. Maybe it's just a generation gap. I'm I'm type on one. Oh my God.
00:37:05
Speaker
It's just too thick. I love telling Jeff how much I liked. I fun won. I just I can't use that stuff. Even the two sucks. You can't even spread it with your finger. It's so thick. Just like your finger gets like stuck.
00:37:27
Speaker
You know, you notice I'm adapting to type on three. I'm adapting. I'm finally getting a feel for how much type on three to put on the joints because it's a whole different thing. Yeah. You need less. Yeah. Um, cause the squeeze out comes out easier. Yeah. But I feel like it also penetrates the surface of the wood better cause it's less viscous. Yeah. Um,
00:37:49
Speaker
So, you know, I'm flexible, but if I was left on my own on a desert island and I can only have one glue.
00:37:58
Speaker
Well, I don't know. On a desert island, I've been counting a lot of water. So I might have to go for the type on three. Yeah. That's one of the other benefits about three is it is waterproof. Yeah. And I don't know. The color to me is just more appropriate for wood. It is where they got that, that yellow, orange color of type
Tools that Excited or Disappointed
00:38:15
Speaker
on. Like if you're going up pine, maybe, but I mean, you can't glue walnut with type on one.
00:38:20
Speaker
If I had one reason to switch, that would be it because the type I want really dries orange just about. Yeah. And it's ugly. You got to get rid of it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. God forbid you have some kind of glue line. Yeah.
00:38:35
Speaker
You know, the type on three is like a grayish brown. So it's really good for walnut. It's a pealy, even white oak. Yeah, everything compared to the one. Yeah. It's better. And two, I don't know. A lot of the trim guys I worked with used to. What's the benefit of two over one? It's water resistant. Oh, wow.
00:38:56
Speaker
There you go. You know which glue I used, I liked, but I didn't like the smell. Was that fish glue? You ever try that? No. I thought about it. And high glue. You know what I like is the worth five gallon pail and the cheapest stuff that they sell. That white glue? Yeah.
00:39:16
Speaker
Because you got used to it over at the TCC. I do like white glue. You just enjoy filling up the little glue bottles out of the five gallon. You want to sweat a little bit. As it gets near the top, you got to roll that.
00:39:40
Speaker
Yeah, that's a skill all to itself. We got another patron question here is from Matt. First do construction on Instagram. Do you focus on jobs in the order they are received or do you prioritize outside versus inside versus shop work to account for the seasons? Now Matt is in, I want to say Wisconsin. Uh-huh. He's first do construction on Instagram. I wonder what that means first do.
00:40:09
Speaker
I was wondering that his logo is almost like a firefighter. Like shield. Yeah.
00:40:16
Speaker
Well, we pretty much go by who pays first. Yeah. You know, so I guess that's in order. They're received because like we get jobs that come in and then we'll do the design work and somebody they'll sort of be jobs, but people have not written the big check. They're like, okay, yeah, we're doing it. Yeah. Well, so they'll just sit on the burner.
00:40:44
Speaker
until that occurs until there's 10% you don't have spot right that's basically the rule yeah and then we're all in on that job and we kind of
00:40:57
Speaker
I can't think of any time where we sort of juggled anything around because it was cold or hot. I mean, we might within that job do something different. But yeah, the jobs generally take a while. So yeah. And we got air conditioning and heat in the shop. So the most I could really, you know, influence what's going on with us is the trip between the shop and the clients.
00:41:27
Speaker
Yeah place. You know like right now we have two jobs going on simultaneously but it it always goes in order of like
00:41:39
Speaker
when we start the job. Well, we have that big metal piece getting powder coated. So there's a bunch of waiting for stuff that's outside our control. Those ropes are on the literal slow boat from China. So we're filling in the gaps with two jobs. And we knew that there was going to be some overlap there. But yeah, it's always just
00:42:04
Speaker
whoever gets in the deposit first, and people have schedules. So it's always like, all right, yeah, we're good to go. We need to be installed by the end of July. And then, you know, then we fit it into the schedule as needed. There might be a job that like the Dutch door, we have been paid for that, but we didn't start that for a while because they weren't going to be ready for it. So there are situations where we place a project in a schedule
00:42:32
Speaker
You know, that's not the first open slot. But for the most part, it's just whatever is the first availability is. That's when people want to only work. Oh, I like this next question. When a good song comes on, you bust out dancing in the shop. Nick Trayer on Instagram, he wants to know.
00:42:56
Speaker
I don't think we're much of dancers. No, we're more of the headbanger variety. And we have been known to squeak out a few lyrics. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I sing along to most songs. Yeah. Or whistle. The closest I come to dancing is when, like, killing in the name comes on. Then I'll start jumping a little. Yeah, a little grooving gone. But yeah.
00:43:21
Speaker
No actual dancing. Dancing would be a disservice to the word. Yes. We more likely start our own little mosh pit than lost at any true dance moves. Yeah. I mean, there's definitely a lot of head bobbing going on because we're both big, big music fans. Yeah. We love the music. I feel like everybody says it. I love
00:43:47
Speaker
I mean, I think we really do. Yeah, that's just human nature. But you're a musician. I have a big I'm not a musician, but I have a serious interest in music. Yeah, you're an aficionado. I would say a true aficionado. So yes, if the music isn't coming out of speakers, something it's like there's a void. Yeah, you've been having issues with the past couple of days.
00:44:13
Speaker
Um, so, uh, the answer is, uh, kind of a no on that one. Kind of like a half-assed. Yeah. We bust out something just not dancing. Yeah. Like a white dad at a barbecue.
00:44:31
Speaker
But sometimes like if, if I'm working and I, and I'm running a tool or something and I pause and I hear like in walks, Barbarella by clutch, I'll stop what I'm doing. And I'll go like really crank it up and not do anything until the song's over. I'm the kind of guy I'll sit in my car to hear the end of the song.
00:44:55
Speaker
Yeah. So there, there's, there are a few songs that really, uh, a shop favorites that we do, like just stop what we're doing to enjoy. Um, like a promoter by clutch. Yes. Yes. Which they don't put in the rotation enough. They play a bunch of stuff we don't hear, but not that song. We definitely sing along to that one.
00:45:19
Speaker
I like this one for miles. I put a call out this morning to the patrons. I said, listen, we got a lack of meaty questions. Send some over. What's a tool you were super excited about, but after getting it? Wait, sorry. What's a tool you were super excited about getting, but once you had it, you didn't really ever use it?
00:45:40
Speaker
For miles, one of our patrons, eat, drink wine guy on Instagram. My scraper play because you know, by the time I got it, I had a, I learned what it was and it really wasn't what I needed. Yeah.
00:46:01
Speaker
Um, you know, it was something I bought in, in, uh, in innocence and, uh, you know, ignorance based on the title of it. It does look sort of like a rough, like a rough tool, but it's actually a, right. And then by the time it came like, Oh, you know, after I wish I would have read that before I bought this, uh, expensive Lee Nielsen playing, but it's, it's a nice possession. I'll say, Oh yeah. Sure. Any Lee Nelson. Yeah.
00:46:32
Speaker
Umm... What was I super excited about? Hmm... I don't know...
00:46:47
Speaker
I'm pretty obsessive over my purchases. So I really, I think about it and I'll mull over it and put it in my cart and then wait a couple of weeks and then they put it back in. And so I don't know if I've had anything that, I mean, I bought stuff and, and not use it cause like the situation hasn't come up.
00:47:11
Speaker
And maybe there we could expand the circumstances. We've gotten stuff that we once we were excited about getting it. But the the real tool wasn't didn't meet our expectations. That's happened a couple of times. Oh, actually, when I read this, I thought of this, the the hinge boring machine. We bought that super excited because it was such a good price. Alec, one of the patrons, Al Head, Woodco.
Philosophy of Woodworking and Tool Preferences
00:47:38
Speaker
Guy that made the coasters and the cups and all that he gave us a heads up We haven't bought that for a really good price and we we've only used it to try it out, right? We just haven't had a job since then that needed like that lot of hinges board. So we just born by hand So I'd say that's the one that sticks out the most to me
00:47:59
Speaker
That's a great answer. Yeah. And probably the most appropriate. It's just sitting there. Yeah. But when that next kitchen comes up, fire that baby up and borrow those damn holes.
00:48:14
Speaker
Yeah. Cause when we have like three doors, four doors, even well, the, the, that, that big cabinet going up, uh, what's, where's that? Where's the wine stuff? What town is that bins with an L Livingston Livingston? That's only three doors, only three doors. Cause two of them are fixed on them appliances. Yeah. So it's just easier to do it by hand. Yeah.
00:48:42
Speaker
All right, here's an appropriate question. Do you guys use the dog tongue oil from Real Milk Paint Co.? If so, do you use the dog half? If so, do you use the dog half? What does that mean?
00:48:58
Speaker
That's what they call it. It's, it's pre-mixed. Oh, half tongue oil and half. Oh, thinner. Okay. Solve it. Yeah, I got it. So do we got it? I should have put dark half in quotations. Yeah. Vince. He's asking. Yeah, we use it.
00:49:17
Speaker
Yeah, but we do not buy the dark half. So we buy a gallon of dark tongue oil and a gallon of citrus solvent. We just mix it ourselves. It's the same price, but gives us more flexibility if we want to have a thinner coat or a thicker coat, whatever. I like it on cherry. Tends to give it a little bit more of that pre-aging. I like it on white oak.
00:49:46
Speaker
Yeah. Um, for anybody that doesn't know what that is, I mean, what makes it dark? It's got like, uh, carbon something or another. Yeah. We looked that up that one time. Yeah. It's like, basically like they add some sort of carbon, not like charcoal, but something kind of, yeah, it's all natural still. Um, and it's, it's kind of like, um,
00:50:15
Speaker
Almost the color of this beer. Isn't it? Or is it darker than that? I mean, the dark tongue oil itself is like black. Oh, before we thin it. Yeah. And then it's like maybe like looks like Guinness almost. Yeah. Like when you when there's a good bit of it, it's black. But then if you like was to pour it out, were to pour it out, you'd be able to see through it. It's kind of like that. Yeah. Yeah. Give it a try.
00:50:43
Speaker
Yeah, this is almost what the regular tongue oil looks like. Oh, yeah. It's not like that fake ass tongue oil that you guys buy at the hardware store. That, you know, is like clear. Like, yeah, this is tongue oil. Well, that's actually that's linseed oil and mineral spirits and maybe a dash of tongue oil for for flavor. Good measure. Yeah.
00:51:09
Speaker
He is a good one. Oh, it's from our buddy Jack Jack Thornton 98 out in Australia Who confirmed the dimensions on that big desk? Oh, yeah But was he mixing centimeters and millimeters or was it all millimeters? I don't remember Do you got sorry what method do you use to keep track of schedule and planning computer or pen and paper and
00:51:35
Speaker
I like a little chunk of wood and a pencil. Preferably one that could get lost easily. You know, our jobs kind of just, there's like an end date and then there's just the two of us and we're pretty confident and we just kind of at the beginning of the day, at the end of the day, we go, what do you think? You know, you want to try and do XYZ tomorrow?
00:52:06
Speaker
So it's kind of neither almost. Yeah. It's very organic arrangement. Yeah. I mean, there is no like no physical schedule exists. There is no calendar that says we did try that with like a planning of a blotter calendar and like putting them on there. But it kind of just became like a wasted effort. It was no effort, but it's just a waste of time because
00:52:33
Speaker
It is what it is. We start the job and then when it's done, it's done. There's two of us. Something needs to get done. Get your ass over there and do it. Yeah. We account on the schedule for like, that's the worst case scenario.
Favorite Edge Treatments and Collaborations
00:52:46
Speaker
If it's taken us till the day that it's, we said it was going to come, then that means that everything went wrong and we're behind schedule. Like, so yeah, I mean, I mean, I think that's part of being, uh,
00:53:03
Speaker
I don't want to say this. Not being good at this job, but like having doing this for your work and enjoying it and being happy and putting out good work. You can't be under this strict schedule because it drowns the creativity and all that stuff. Like you need to have
00:53:25
Speaker
enough time to do it. If you constantly have this deadline breathing down your neck, you start making compromises on the quality and all that stuff. Shortcuts. You need to give yourself ample time. If that means taking a little bit less pay, then that's what it is. We pay ourselves less than most guys, I think, and we take longer to do things. So it evens out.
00:53:50
Speaker
And we reinvest in the company, and so we're somewhat, I wouldn't say long-sighted, but we're medium-sighted on things. You know, we want to exist in a happy frame of mind and keep the company solid. Yeah, a couple, you know, extra hundred bucks a week in my paycheck when I get home and I'm stressed and... It's not worth it? No, no. I'd rather just...
00:54:19
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. All right, I'll read this next one. Okay. How do you set up your table saw blade for a bevel cut? Table saw gauge, combination square, digital gauge, or something else?
00:54:41
Speaker
Is this the rest of the question over here? Yeah, it keeps going. All right. And it's from David Shoemaker, one of our patrons. He also wants to know, how do you make miter cuts on the table saw with the miter gauge, the table saw sled? I think you were talking about this on the episode with audio issues. And some missed some of what you said. If you primarily use the sliding table on the saw stop, what did you use before?
00:55:10
Speaker
all right that's a good thorough question yeah so primarily we use two things if it's just sort of an arbitrary bevel it doesn't need to be dead nuts whatever the angle is then we just use the gauge on the saw mm-hmm if I'm making a molding I might just eyeball it's 17 and 3 quarter degree it doesn't matter what it right
00:55:37
Speaker
If it needs to be exact, I default to the angle cube, the digital. You know, it's a Wixi. You can zero it out and then put it on the blade and measure the angle. I like that. I know some people like those Bridge City titles where you set it and then put the blade up to it. I don't I never trust putting a square up to a blade.
00:56:01
Speaker
because depending on the angle that you approach the blade with the square, you're changing the angle, the actual angle.
00:56:10
Speaker
So yeah, those are the two ways that I do it. And then for cutting miters, we have a dedicated 45 degree sled. And then sometimes we use the saw stop sliding table. Sometimes we use the miter gauge. It all depends on the situation. Sometimes we make a sled. Yeah, a lot of single purpose, single use sleds. Yeah, like if it has to be
00:56:35
Speaker
dead, accurate, repeatable, then the best way is to do a sled. If you're cutting two angled cuts, then just use the saw stop thing.
00:56:48
Speaker
Yeah, I don't have too much to add to that. I love that little cube because it's got a little magnet in it. You zero it out. I think it's on three or four sides to that magnet. You just put it on the table, then put it on the blade. It's super easy, and it's very foolproof because, again, I'll refer back to the golden ages.
00:57:12
Speaker
I used to do the thing where you're just sliding something up to the blade. You got to make sure it's not hitting any of the teeth. And depending on how you're holding it, you might see a crack of daylight through there or not. And typically, that's going to be close enough for what you're doing. But if you really want to get the precise, I don't think anything beats that little cube.
00:57:40
Speaker
And yeah, sleds. I agree with Jeff. I rarely use the cross cut on the saw for anything other than 90 degree. We don't really move that.
00:57:54
Speaker
We have that Jessam Rock Rockler branded Jessam that we've used that in the past. That's true. And that's another thing. We'll set that up as almost like a sled. You know what I mean? Like we'll set it, lock it in, put a clamp on it and all that other stuff.
00:58:13
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I don't even trust the flip stops, to be honest. I put a clamp on the other side of the flip stop so it doesn't move. Try and square up all ends and then turn and cut everything to length if it has to be that exact. Oh, right. Oh, look at this. We're getting philosophical on the next question.
00:58:30
Speaker
Yeah, we got one here from Justin, Justin De Palma, another Jersey guy. Is it better to be a woodworker or say you're a woodworker? That is the question. Long live Woodpecker. See, I love a guy who understands that this is not to be taken too seriously, this whole Woodpecker thing, because it really is all in jest. Absolutely, yeah.
00:59:01
Speaker
Wow. Of course it's better to be. Oh yeah. You get the benefits of being insane. But if you if you really I mean if you're really a woodworker you're not really out there saying I mean what the only time we ever say it you know outside you know our social media promotion is when somebody directly asks us what do you do for a living. Yeah. Yeah.
00:59:30
Speaker
I guess the people saying that they're woodworkers are just like a facsimile of a woodworker, too. It's like there's no one that doesn't do anything related to woodworking, saying that they're I think that's really what he's sort of aiming at. It's like a lot of the social media posers and things like that. Somebody who, you know, does some things, you know, make it makes a shoeshine box and is not in the same category. Somebody was making a dining room chair.
01:00:00
Speaker
We'll get you shine bucks. And we like to know that there's some differentiation between the two. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, there definitely is. So it's better to be. Always better to be. Yeah, that sounds like some Yoda might say. Yeah. Ooh. Miles, star of the show today.
01:00:28
Speaker
Yeah. Roundovers or chamfers favorites. See how favorites is spelled. He's a Brit. What do you like to use and when
01:00:43
Speaker
I'm gonna default to the chamfer about 98% of the time. I just
Finishing Tools and Dream Projects
01:00:49
Speaker
like the way it looks better. Even a broken, a hard broken chamfer to me looks better than a round over. It's just more refined to me, I don't know, round over.
01:01:01
Speaker
No, there's just something about it. I like a broken chamfer. I mean, I love going back over it by hand, you know, and sort of that slightly irregular kind of thing. I mean, not irregular to the point where you see it, but just so it looks like a person touched it as opposed to it being totally machine cut.
01:01:27
Speaker
Of course that you know on circumstances in the size of the champ, I mean like a small champ Yeah, yeah the big ones where it's like a design element like to keep them crisp, but Now I'm not a big fan of the round over
01:01:43
Speaker
No, I mean, like we did eighth inch round overs on the that walnut countertop. It makes sense. And it's just a softer. Yeah, that's more of a commercial environment. Yeah. A function over form kind of thing, because people are going to be leaning up against it. And, you know, the softer that transition is probably the better. We could have even gone up to like a quarter inch or a half inch, but just aesthetically think an eighth inch was the best compromise between function and form.
01:02:13
Speaker
Yeah, so we're both in a champ for camp. Yeah. I wonder what he likes to use. But anything else a favorite outside the champion? No, that's the story of the show. I mean, even with a block plane, that's, that's what you're making.
01:02:31
Speaker
Yeah, I like the knockdown edge too, you know, which is kind of a chamfer depending on like what's going on. I like it, you know, to take the plane to it and just kind of hit it in a little sandpaper. I like that a lot of times on my doors.
01:02:52
Speaker
as opposed to the round over on the doors. That's really like that. Yeah. Just the sandpaper bro. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Laughing at this next question. What do you do when you hire someone who doesn't know what they're doing? I was going to say what the hell they're doing. What do you do? That's from Keith, a good buddy. Keys would just help us out with a project. Black thorn concepts on Instagram.
01:03:22
Speaker
Yeah, Keith is poking fun at himself here on this one because we had Keith CNC at this watch face for us for a buddy of mine's company. And it gave him a lot of trouble. So I think his confidence is a little shaken.
01:03:44
Speaker
He feels better just getting that thing out of his, out of his house though, doesn't he? I don't blame him. You know, the fact of the matter is that, I mean, every job that we do, we don't know what we're doing because we purposely add something in that we don't know how to do. So all of our clients are basically hiring someone who doesn't know what they're doing. Like the rope wall.
01:04:07
Speaker
Yeah. And that's a simple example. Yeah. Um, we're, we're, we're bringing in our talents from previous jobs, adding a little salt and pepper on the top and hoping that we can come up with the concoction for the new job.
01:04:25
Speaker
Yeah. And it's not even a hope. It's a, it just is what it is. We make it work. We always make it work. So we haven't not done it. That's the thing. Yeah. All the critiques that Keith has, you know, about the, the final product of the CNC thing, like that's how it goes. We now we adapt and we just, and we'll get, we're going to polish that thing up. Right. Um,
01:04:47
Speaker
And, you know, I prefer it that way. Yeah, me too. It keeps things interesting. It's nice every now and then, like I was saying, we did that cherry piece in the Dutch store and they were so heavily technical. Maybe not. Well, the Dutch store, I guess, was too, but they were heavily technical and very refined. And now we're doing like some of this TFL work for the commercial and stuff. And it's a welcome respite because
01:05:12
Speaker
you know, that was physically and mentally exhausting doing a lot of that stuff on those last two jobs. So, you know, it's nice every now and then to have a break and to do something that's a little easier, but right. Like the tree is what we say it is. Yeah. You know, they don't have to fit something inside that tree and make sure that it works. Yeah.
01:05:33
Speaker
And Keith was cracking up because he said, well, how big do you want? I said, they're going to get what they get. He said, man, the way you guys work. You want to read this next one from Vince? Yes. Have you heard anything good or bad about the new line of South Bend tools from Vince? One of our patrons, Rob Vince P on Instagram. It's curious. We, when we were hunting around for a planer,
01:06:00
Speaker
We inquired about one. Yeah. Um, we had just heard about, you know, grizzly sort of acquiring the name. Right. Right. Um, but we haven't heard anybody who's actually owned one, whether they have an opinion on it or not. Um, it looks like it's all coming out of the same exact factory. Yeah. It's anything in that grizzly jet powermatic that they're all
01:06:28
Speaker
It's all come at the same Taiwanese factory or factories. Yeah. Yeah. Like they're being made on the same block. Yeah. They all go at the end of the line at the end of the production line, they all go off to a different paint booth. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And that's about it.
01:06:46
Speaker
So, you know, are there different components inside all these tools? Absolutely. You know, I know they use different bearings and stuff like that. So the basic anatomy of the tool is going to be identical to most of the Grizzly stuff.
01:07:03
Speaker
Are they using higher quality components? That's usually the gimmick I'll call it of these lines of tools where they'll add better bearings on one or a different gearbox in another.
01:07:22
Speaker
to justify the higher cost while the remainder of the tools more or less benefits from the economy of scale. Yeah, the castings for the for the beds, you know, like a planer or the same housing for the the cutterhead. Like I will say the Powermatic, it seems like it's a better quality than it feels. You can feel the difference. Yeah. So maybe there's something else going on internally.
01:07:54
Speaker
but we haven't heard anything you know us we're highly opinionated if we hear something we'll be talking about it for whatever that's worth yeah but yeah we did consider the South Bend yeah but you know we're just there's there's very little data so yeah that's why we went with the Powermatic we could have got a 20 inch South Bend but uh
01:08:23
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You know I forgot all about that whole Oliver ordeal. Yeah. Yeah. I mean we were pretty annoyed by it for a while there. Yeah. But we're bigger men.
01:08:41
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This is like a repeat from last week from Keith K. Colbecca, K-L-B-E-C-K-A on Instagram. Favorite tool in the shop. Wow. I'm going to go with the SawStop. I'm just going to go back to my last week answer, the pencil.
01:09:07
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Yeah. So you want to expand on that at all. I don't know how much more I could say than I said last week.
01:09:18
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Yeah, my favorite tool right now is the Saw Stop. You know, it goes in phases, I'm sure. And I use the Unisaw for almost my whole professional life, I'll say. I never got, I love that saw, because when you use something over and over, I never got used to similar saws over at Tom's place. He has a couple of Unisaws, right?
01:09:46
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It's the one in the back of Unisaur, or is that something else? I think it might be. It's got a Beasemire fence. Is that a Powermatic, is it? I don't think so. I think it's a Unisaur with a Beasemire. Yeah, I never got used to it. There was something about mine that I really enjoyed.
01:10:03
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Well, his blade height didn't block. His was a piece of crap. It was a professional shot, but you had a blade height adjustment? That thing was running to the ground. Put a clamp on it. Yeah. But getting the saw stopped really wasn't a notch up from my Unisaw.
01:10:25
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care about the safety technology, just meaning the machining of it and everything like that. So I really enjoy using it. And because it's the center of a shop like ours, it's something you use a lot. So that's my favorite tool right now.
01:10:44
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Yeah, I guess, you know, maybe I'll give a give another one that the contour. Oh, yeah.
Technical Woodworking Aspects and Wrap-up
01:10:50
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I mean, it just made what was a literal living nightmare. We had our head in our hands like more like, what the hell are we going to punch a hole through the window?
01:11:03
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to it just was so easy and we did uh 18 four-inch wide pieces two sides eight feet long and it was just like a breeze like this is so easy it was there were so many um you know starts and stops with the other machine you know things binding up too much glue not enough glue this and
01:11:27
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Every little thing that could go wrong. So it was so much inconsistency. That's what made it so frustrating Yep, it wasn't like oh, I got the glue just where it's supposed to be now and then two pieces later It's it's off again. Yeah You know maybe because the temperature was fluctuating so it was fooling with the viscosity of the glue. Yeah. Yep
01:11:52
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Yeah. Yeah. I thought you might say the contour because you did the bulk of that stuff and I could see you really, you know, enjoy it. Even though it was a lot of repetitive stuff, there is a challenge to it and learning that, that getting the finesse right. Um, you know, so you were intent on that.
01:12:14
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All right. What would Green Street joinery design and build if you guys were financially free? That's from Bryce who has got the best name on Instagram. Waffle Beaver. Oh God. That's a hard, hard question to answer because it would be so
01:12:36
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spur of the moment, you know? Like, well, this week I wanted to build a chair. Next week it's a whatever, a bed or a cabinet. I think that would be the beauty of being financially free and just building stuff on spec is there doesn't have to be all this planning and forethought. It's sort of just spontaneous. I'm going to go, I'm going to go big timber frame house.
01:13:06
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Timber frame house for me. No, it just doesn't really doesn't tickle my fancy. Yeah, I did go on that retreat of that paid paid class thing where we built a timber frame for somebody and I've been enthralled with the idea. Yeah. I mean, I like the idea of a timber frame house, but I don't know. It's just kind of a lot of joints. Yeah. It's fun. Yeah.
01:13:37
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Um, but how many joints are there? Well, a lot. Yeah, it's a lot. You're really, but you're only building the frame, you know, so, but it is, it's a lot. It took, I'm going to guess there were probably 10 or 12 people there at the time. It was a while ago and it took a week.
01:13:56
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was going to be two of us so yeah yeah so you know me I like to I like to shoot off my mouth a little bit dream big you get it two weeks in you get sick of it I just put this off the side for 15 years can we scale this down to a gazebo Pergola
01:14:18
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Yeah. I would default to just like, I, my first thing would probably be like a suite of furniture. Like we talk about all the time. Yeah. Yeah. You know, a couple chairs table. Yeah. Footstools. Something like that would be pretty cool.
01:14:35
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Yeah, I like that. Like several different things, but all tied into the same sort of theme. Yeah. Closest thing I ever did like that was those three pieces for a non, the two dressers and the bed. But I tell you, there were 15 drawers. I was a little bit tired of drawers by the time that was all said and done.
01:14:59
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That was just two pieces. Be ordering from our news. Yeah, that's right. I mean, it making a drawer box and, and fitting it and all that stuff is great. It's, there's so much pleasure in it, but when it starts getting into those multiples like that, it's, it's really a chore. Everything in moderation. Yeah, it's really a chore. Um, so this is our last question.
01:15:28
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Is this going to be, uh, discussed in, um, Oh yeah. We don't have a question of the week. Shit for a question a week. We may have to, this one's not. Yeah. So this is, this is a, what kind of expansion contraction can you expect from slab cabinet doors? And, uh, we're, we're doing some slab cabinet doors. Aren't we on those, uh, on that, uh, credenza we call it. That's from Jason who's known as timber talent on Instagram.
01:15:59
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I mean, it's very material specific. Now, if you're talking about something like MDF, you're going to have expansion in all directions. You're talking about something like wood, depending on the species and the cut, you're going to have different levels of movement, something like what's a highly moving wood.
01:16:24
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like maple, flat sawn maple, like it's going to move more than quarter sawn oak, or like quarter sawn fir is going to barely move, quarter sawn pine is going to barely move.
01:16:40
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That's a surprise for a lot of folk. Yeah, softwoods actually move less than hardwoods. I mean, there's charts that you can look up. We always default back to that because it's really it's these are data driven.
01:16:57
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Outcomes like it all has to do with species size cut Humidity finish even a relative humidity of the wood. Yeah the finish So it's hard to give like a blanket statement
01:17:13
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, we do inset stuff and on the on the big end of the scale, we're leaving an eighth inch gap. Yeah. That depends on, you know, what we're doing, whether it's painted or the season. I used to have to worry about that before I joined the 21st century and got air conditioning in the shop.
01:17:37
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But yeah, check it out online. That's your Bible there. Go online. You can get definitive answers. And you need to have good data about your wood. Now we don't have moisture content. Yeah, we don't have a moisture meter. While we did, Rob lent it out to somebody. Never came back. But you know, you get a feel for where things are. Once you get them in your shop and you've
01:18:04
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you know, worked in that condition enough. So yeah, you need to have good data on the wood to be able to extrapolate these numbers and see how much movement you're going to actually get. But there is hard, there are hard numbers that you can get. And some of it will have to do with even the size of the pieces that you're gluing up. Yeah.
01:18:27
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I mean, some of those differences are infinitesimal, but it's all good information to have in your pocket. Yeah. So we've got we've gotten to the thoughts on the beer of the week, which we've pretty much gone over at the top of the hour. Yeah. They're both empty glasses. So we we drank a beer and a half, which is a lot for us.
01:18:53
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Although these were 12 ounce cans. Yeah. We're usually having bigger. Yeah. And this is low test. I know. I don't, I don't, uh, I don't feel it like I usually do. It doesn't even say, but it's gotta be four or five. Yeah. Yeah. Four or 5%. It was good. Enjoyable. Yeah. Nothing special, but it was in the ice box. That's right. It was cold.
01:19:21
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and hit the spot. So you want to thank our patrons and, uh, yeah, give a shout out to our gold tier patrons, Jerry Green and David Murphy, Manny Sirianni, Dustin Fair, Adam podcast, David Shoemaker and Colin lie. Yeah, guys.
01:19:37
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So all you patrons over in the question of the week, although we don't have a question of the week. We're going to have to come up with something. We'll make something up. Yeah. Our quest, our name in the capital. Maybe we'll go and we'll look up a Dairy Queen in the Midwest and read the reviews because we've done that before and it was pretty good. Everybody take care. See you next week.
01:20:17
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