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39- Underground Metal: The Follow-Up
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Our resident expert on all things underground metal, Steve Klatt, comes back to debrief our homework. As the former head of the Colorado chapter of the New York Death Militia, he brings unique insight that helps him answer all our many (many!) questions.
But first, we check in on how we’re *really* doing.
Then, at 10:55 we talk about our homework.
The Homework:
-Patti rocked out at a Havok show at Fubar Lounge, in St. Louis. We learn about the new persona she invented for herself and whether she joined the mosh pit or not.
-Charlotte comes close to greatness (or disaster) at Metal Karaoke at Black Sky Brewing in Denver. She also tells us what metal subgenre she is based on multiple personality tests.
Steve gives us the underground metal insider tips, like:
The band uniforms
Mosh pit etiquette
Subgeners of mosh pits: pogo pit, violent circles, “crowd killing”
Head banging protocol
The darker side of metal
We talk accessibility - is the metalhead community still mostly white men?
What subgenre of metal are we? We take a personality test.
And finally, the Level of Integration Scale. How metal do Charlotte and Patti plan to get, now that the homework is done?
Links/references:
https://uquiz.com/quiz/zcN6Da/what-subgenre-of-metal-are-you
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Transcript
Introduction and Listener Engagement
00:00:00
Speaker
You know that thing you love that your friends and family don't want to hear about anymore? Tell it to us, Patty and Charlotte. We want to learn all about your weird and wild obsessions or your perfectly normal hobbies that you've taken just a little too far.
00:00:15
Speaker
We want to dabble in your curious interests. Can we interest you in today's episode?
Steve's Return and Underground Metal
00:00:35
Speaker
Hi, Charlotte. Hi, Patty. We have got Steve Klatt back to talk to us about Underground Metal, the follow-up.
00:00:47
Speaker
Hey, Steve. Hello. said whose shirt are you wearing today? um I'm actually wearing, it's Vinegar Syndrome. It's a kind of an underground film company. All right. So, underground. Underground.
00:01:05
Speaker
Yeah, did they specialize in B-movies and buying rights to old movies and re-releasing them on Blu-ray and DVD. Cool.
Curiosity and Family Stories
00:01:16
Speaker
One of the people that adopted one of the dogs from the rescue works there. I've always been a huge fan of B-movies and that type of ilk. So, yeah, I just got the t-shirt.
00:01:31
Speaker
Oh my God. This is very cool. Another thing like we to you about B movies and what makes a B movie. Oh, I probably could fill a whole year of podcasts with all the obscure stuff I'm into. You got to start your own podcast.
00:01:46
Speaker
I have a very strong feeling that, um like, so my grandmother lived until she was 96 and she was like with it until maybe like the last two years. And I feel very strongly that it was because she had a very strong sense of curiosity. Like she was always, like, I remember we were at the Morton Arboretum and she's like, you know, hard to walk around and everything like that.
00:02:07
Speaker
She doesn't care. She's like, i want to see what that sign over there says. And so she like, walks all the way over and she's like reading it. And I was like, Oh my gosh, this
Sports Allegiances and Knicks Fandom
00:02:16
Speaker
is why. Cause you are constantly using your brain and like very adept ways. Just sort of like getting like a different perspectives on life too. Can also just make it like, I'm still into it. I'm still, I'm still liking life.
00:02:34
Speaker
Yeah. Not bored. Before we get into our homework. I know this will is already a dated reference and will date us further. But Charlotte, congratulations on your team of the series, the Knicks winning.
00:02:52
Speaker
Thank you. Is this my team because I'm from New Jersey? No, just because when I asked you like, Oh, are you guys watching? You're like, yeah. And for several reasons, oh they um we are rooting for the Knicks. And I was like, oh okay. Whatever.
00:03:09
Speaker
Thank you very much, because I have had to change my allegiance multiple times over the course of this ah playoffs series and finals. So like the the allegiance has changed many times. So I appreciate the the congratulations. And Stephanie, Steve's wife, loves the Knicks, right? That's what she's she had. Yes, she's she's an old school.
00:03:33
Speaker
it It's Nuggets and the Knicks. Those were are her teams. Oh my gosh. So she was psyched then. Was she? Did she follow? Yeah. Probably not with the Nuggets part, but the Knicks part. Yeah. Yeah.
00:03:47
Speaker
i mean, I don't mind Knicks. I just some can sometimes Knicks fans can be a little over the top. They can be. they're They're everywhere, but they're especially in New York. I mean, people who are over the top. So What are you to You can say the same with Raiders fans. You can say the same with Lakers fans. so Philly. Any fans from Philadelphia.
00:04:12
Speaker
Cool. Should we just do a quick check in? How are you guys doing?
Steve's Job Search and Interview Updates
00:04:18
Speaker
Yes. um Steve, tell us how you've been doing.
00:04:24
Speaker
ah Still ah on the job search. um I've had a few interviews. few Nope. Sorry. Thank you for your time.
00:04:35
Speaker
ah got ah another interview tomorrow, so maybe this will be the one, hopefully. Yes. When the right one comes along, it'll it'll all fall into place. Yeah. so Just need one.
00:04:49
Speaker
Yeah.
Concert Experiences and Health
00:04:50
Speaker
And other than that I'm finally recovering from this cold. Steph caught a cold. We went to that Toadies. She swears it was at the Toadies concert. she caught the cold there because we did toadies. And then two days later, it was Jimmy world at red rocks.
00:05:06
Speaker
And, uh, so she swears she caught the cold. Then i caught the cold from her and yeah, it's been, it it's a, been a solid two week cold and it was hardcore.
00:05:18
Speaker
So yeah, but finally on the mend of that. So,
00:05:26
Speaker
I feel like everybody in the world was at the Jimmy Eats World concert at Red Rocks. cause i don't know. I think it's just they are... It was like a big deal. Was it like something special? Some particular special show?
00:05:43
Speaker
It was their 20th anniversary of one of their their big famous album, which I don't know the name of because... I was there more of as so as a supporter of Steph than I was a Jimmy World fan. Because I recently went to karaoke party and my brother did a Jimmy Eat World song and then everybody was talking about it and I was like, okay, this is like a three years younger than me person kind of, kind of trend, I guess that I missed. It's like just that weird cusp. Yes. Yeah. It was, it was a packed show. I mean, it was sold out at Red Rock. So Patty, how are you doing?
Mindfulness and Mental Health
00:06:30
Speaker
I am okay. Um, as we talked about before we started recording, it's really hot. So, um, I'm just, you know, hot all the time. And I've started doing, um, like, so I listened to something all the time. i'm I'm usually like listening to a podcast or music or something, but I've started doing my morning walks with nothing in my brain, like nothing in my ears. And it has kind of made a big difference. like
00:07:02
Speaker
I'm able to like so get motivated to start work in the morning and I'm i'm more aware of when I'm crabby. um So then I'll be like, oh, that's interesting. I'm feeling kind of crabby already. And I just woke up. So it's been it's been a good a good little practice. my My therapist suggested that. And I was like, I really resisted. And I really didn't want to do it.
00:07:25
Speaker
And I was like, I'm never going to be able to do this. And now I've been doing it for a month. And so I started putting stickers on my calendar to give myself credit every time I do it. o And it's working. Oh, my gosh.
00:07:39
Speaker
That fits in quite well with the book that I'm listening to, which is how to break up with your phone. And yeah, just how omnipresent it is, even with things like that we're listening to, that we barely get a chance to encounter our own brains.
00:07:59
Speaker
So yeah. weren't there Weren't there places that were like, or like contests for a while there that they were like, will pay you to go on a 30 day vacation where you won't be on any technology the whole time.
00:08:17
Speaker
you guys remember hearing that like a few years ago? And I was like, I could totally do that until I realized it was like no TV. And I was like, o
00:08:28
Speaker
isn't that just that TV show alone? oh no, but that does it too, which I love to watch alone.
Reunions and Social Gatherings
00:08:37
Speaker
Charlotte, how are you doing? I'm doing good. We had a kind of like a grad school reunion of like some of our friends from grad school. So it was bunch of people. Basically there's with different cohorts in um grad school. went to school for social work and I got like adopted into a different cohort, just like because I don't know, I just hung out with them a lot. So they all came, not everybody, but a lot of people came into town with their families and we did a lot of fun things together.
00:09:17
Speaker
Some of them went rafting and gold panning in a, like an old mine. There wasn't room for me, which is fine because i have some level of claustrophobia. I think that would have been fine.
00:09:31
Speaker
But I just like to say that I do because sometimes sometimes that happens. But it was it was a pretty good time. But now I'm easing back into the regular week.
00:09:41
Speaker
Were they staying at your house and were you like. No, they were all staying at a hotel. Okay, that's good. And then did you have to organize anything since you're the local? did some organizing, a lot of like driving people around, which is my favorite kind of thing because it doesn't involve the the planning of everything. There are some very good planners in in this group of people. So... That was helpful. And I could just give a little bit of my input, like, oh that might be good, but that'll be crowded. Or I've never been there. I want to do that too.
00:10:18
Speaker
Uh-huh. That is good. i hate having that pressure of like planning for different wants and energy levels and interests. and Yeah. but Not much of a planner here. I'm more of just go with the flow, man. Let's see what happens.
00:10:40
Speaker
Yeah. That's why it's good to have a lot of friends who are planners, I think. Right. Especially the kind that don't mind that you're not going to be the planner.
00:10:51
Speaker
Yep. Yes. Yeah. All right.
Music Homework and Metal Karaoke
00:10:54
Speaker
so Homework assignment. They were given to us kind of offline, but Steve set us up with different shows that we could go to in our respective cities.
00:11:07
Speaker
And I went to a show on a Tuesday night. Ooh. Ooh. And I think it started at nine o'clock. Oh my God. Sounds about right.
00:11:21
Speaker
Charlotte, did you go to a show or what what was what was it that you did? Just high level. So I ended up going with Steve and Stephanie and a few other friends. Oh, including Guided by Voices Brian. And we went to Black Sky Brewing where they had ah metal karaoke.
00:11:41
Speaker
No.
00:11:45
Speaker
Oh my God. Oh my God. And I, I, I, so I kind of regret not being more prepared because I just wanted to go and watch, but then they all thought I was going to sing. And so then I was scrambling, like, should I try to sing something? But then there wasn't time. So I have said that we are going to go back and I'm going to be prepared to sing because I do love karaoke, but the people who were singing were amazing because mostly.
00:12:13
Speaker
that's a lot of pressure. Well, yeah, because I don't know the songs. So it would have been it would have been very unfortunate for everybody around me who had to hear it. So that's the high level version. And then I did a bunch of other stuff like I did a quiz to find out what metal sub genre I am.
00:12:32
Speaker
Oh, and that I just found it. So that's why I didn't send it. actually took two quizzes. Hmm. That is awesome. I can't believe. Okay. So is it a certain night of the week that they do metal karaoke or Thursday once a month?
00:12:52
Speaker
Okay. ah Yeah. They, they, the only reason they really do it that often is because the gal that normally runs it lives up in the mountains. Okay. I'll have, I'll have a lot more questions once you get into it, but I do want to know, did you take a video while you were there? Like of any performances?
00:13:11
Speaker
Oh, we did not. time when whenever we do go and I will sing, we will take a video. I promise to sing. Because I, for a person who doesn't really like to do that much public speaking, I mean, except for the podcast, but I do love some karaoke.
00:13:30
Speaker
Yeah. Yes. And you're you're a singer. I am a person who sings. Yes. I'll say that. Yeah. And then Steve, you would you would do karaoke, right? If there was i level of preparation, no?
00:13:48
Speaker
i don't know. I'm not much of a karaoke-er at all or that sort of thing. Can you just pretend like it's this the state fair? The beer there was great, by the way, I will say. Oh, cool.
00:14:00
Speaker
Yeah, and there are so many breweries here that I don't always notice when that's the case, but I did really think that it was exceptionally good. Yeah, Black Sky is a very special place, so.
00:14:12
Speaker
One thing, one thing I regret is that I didn't get to go to a show. So I am curious, like, what was that like? And I they do want to go to one at some point.
Concert Venues and Observations
00:14:23
Speaker
Well, so i went to the Havoc show. oh Havoc. Yes. And it was it was June 2nd, I went to FUBAR, which is hilarious.
00:14:35
Speaker
the It's just outside of St. Louis, so it's in like ah you know one of those border suburbs, but it's in a strip mall.
00:14:45
Speaker
And it was awesome. like I was like, oh okay, let me just park over here in this massive parking lot. And people, they serve food there, but people were going over to the Domino's to like get pizza and bring it back. It was, i was like, oh, this is very convenient. There was a ah liquor store, vape shop right next door. So people were kind of going back and forth there.
00:15:08
Speaker
it is super dark inside, but then there are black lights, which I was like, oh, I'm kind of glad I didn't know there were going to be black lights. Cause that used to give me such anxiety as a kid. Like when I'd go globaling or something like that, because you were like, oh my God, is there like detergent that's going to like show or like, you know, stains or something like that. But it was fine.
00:15:30
Speaker
there, the crowd was an interesting mix. So there were three bands that, that played and, oh, and I didn't get a ticket ahead of time. And it was, I was glad I didn't, I i saw, and I was like, oh, I guess I could. Um, but I got a discount for, uh, not a senior citizen discount. You might think no discount for, um, paying cash. So I was like, oh, great. oh Um, so that was nice.
00:15:58
Speaker
Got stamped. And then went through. So it's like a really dark black lights, a stage in the front area, just wide open, some like high top tables, and then an arcade towards the back that had some good old school, like Donkey Kong, Pac-Man, original Mario brothers, and then a bar that was serving being alcohol. And then they had the the bands all set up their merch.
00:16:27
Speaker
So mostly white crowd, which is not totally surprising in a suburb of St. Louis. But I was like, oh, I wonder if that's kind of typical of like just the fan base in general. And of course, it probably depends on where you are and which band you're going to see and things like that. um a lot Just to let you know. Yeah, it's it's typically white male.
00:16:53
Speaker
Yes. Demographic. Yes, I was going to say mostly men. There were some female presenting people and then some like moms.
00:17:04
Speaker
So I was like, okay, I'm just going to pretend like I'm one of the moms because um the two bands that opened were had some kids that were like high school age and they were good. But it was I was like, okay. And then these are your parents that are here and your siblings. Okay, I'll set that one to mind. The the waif um You know, lead singer.
00:17:28
Speaker
He's my my child. my cares that I'm here. So that's why he's not acknowledging me. But, you know, his dad and I share custody. And this is one of the only times I could see him. So um just in case anyone asked me is what I was going to tell them.
00:17:45
Speaker
There were lots of black clothes. Everyone's in black or like denim. It was very funny. There were these two boys that were there and they were maybe like late teens, early 20s. And they looked like what were those twins? The Nelson twins? Do you guys remember them from?
00:18:05
Speaker
Oh, yes. have Like long blonde hair. But these guys bond area Yes. These guys had matching long wavy. red, red hair, and they were wearing um almost identical outfits where it was like a all denim. So it was like a jean jacket with some patches on the back, jeans, and then high tops, which they kept taking off their high top and asking every the bands to sign their shoes. So um they were pretty excited about that.
00:18:44
Speaker
yeah Every show kind of like has their quote unquote uniform. Oh, okay. So Havoc is like a a thrash band. And so you'll get the thrash, you know, people that are in the thrash and a lot of the thrash guys wear a lot of denim.
00:19:02
Speaker
It's denim and high top sneakers is the, the whole kind of thrash ah aesthetic is the best way. You go to a death metal show, it's black t-shirt and,
00:19:14
Speaker
And like ah camo color or camo cargo shorts. Okay. And like skater shoes. You go to black metal shows, it's a lot of more leather.
00:19:27
Speaker
Like leather pants and, you know, leather shirt and yeah. Okay, this makes sense because the the subgenre quiz I think one or both of the ones I took had questions about how you like to dress and what you're describing is some of the outfits that they, you know, one was like jeans and a concert t-shirt or all black or baggy. They both had one that was like baggy clothes.
00:19:55
Speaker
Do you know what subgenre that is? Uh, well, like that could be a lot of new metal. that There's some death metal that could be a little bit more baggy too. I just to don't really associate baggy with metal. I associate like spiky collars and yeah black everything. You get the the the the punk influences, which, you know, old skater punks, they they wore a lot of baggy clothes.
00:20:23
Speaker
That's probably. so I shouldn't say too old because I say old and it's like, I think old and that's like where where The skater punk guys didn't really wear that baggy of clothes, but the nineties skater guys wore a lot more baggier clothes. So.
00:20:40
Speaker
There were a lot of people wearing t-shirts that were Gojira. Yep. Gojira. Okay. Is that a band?
00:20:51
Speaker
yep Okay. They actually opened the Olympics, ah the French Olympics. So if you pull up a video of the opening ceremonies for the French Olympics, there'll be a metal band that plays and that's Gojira. Okay. Wait, is it like Godzilla, Gojira?
00:21:11
Speaker
Yep. Wow. Okay. They're a French band. Cool. There were studded or jean vests.
00:21:21
Speaker
Saw a lot of those, lot of band patches on them, long chains on the pans. That kind of reminded me of that skater culture there. Yep. That was one of them. I saw Misfits.
00:21:32
Speaker
um Ozzy, Rob Zombie, Black Sabbath. But then there were also some gym bros. So they were like wearing their tank tops with like those big, what you know, like oversized arm holes and like crisp white, you know, like tennis shoes and. um And I was like, oh, that's an interesting other spin that was on it. because then there were That's a lot of the the hardcore bands. That's how fans of hardcore ah will be like that. Or deathcore, I think, can be like that.
00:22:09
Speaker
Okay. And I figured here's this venue. Yes, St. Louis is a city, but it's like downtown. So you're off enough that it's probably kind of like,
00:22:19
Speaker
oh, I like any kind of metal, I'm going to go to a show there. And so even if it's like these this cross section of different metal subgenre fans, and then also thinking like, oh, and they probably also are friends with or go to school with some of these kids that are in the band. So it's like you just go and and support. so I was like, oh, it's just, it was cool
Denver's Metal Scene and Mosh Pits
00:22:43
Speaker
to see. Well, like ah here in Denver, I know a few people that like they don't have TV fans.
00:22:49
Speaker
or anything like that, that what they do for their entertainment is go to shows. o So every night of the week, they'll be at a metal show. Yeah. Some place around and they just, Oh, so-and-so is playing here tonight. All right. That's where I'm headed.
00:23:04
Speaker
And just, they go to show every night. Yeah. And it was definitely a community vibe, partially again, because these people probably all go to high school together. And so some of them were like their families there. But then it was also just like within the bands themselves because they would come off stage and be right at their merch table. Then they're all talking to the fans that would come by. They're talking to the other band members. Oh yeah.
00:23:32
Speaker
And so, and you could tell that like many of these people have see each other regularly and then they just write like, be like, Oh, I gotta get into the mosh pit. And then they'd go. yeah know yeah Oh, the song's playing. I'm going. And they'll yeah jump in the pit for a little bit. And they're like, all right, yep, back. And then can pick up the conversation where it left off. My buddy Mops, ah he went to a show at this venue. It was the Junkyard.
00:23:58
Speaker
you mean You may have heard about it here in Denver, but that's the new Junkyard. There used to be a Junkyard, which was actually in the Junkyard in Commerce City.
00:24:11
Speaker
Oh no. Cause my buddy heard about the band playing and he was like at the junkyard and he got the address. He map quested the address. He starts going down and he starts like all sudden he's turning into the literal junkyard in commerce city.
00:24:27
Speaker
And like, he pulls up to the shack in the middle and like, there's no bar. It was like a Pepsi machine that was full of beer.
00:24:40
Speaker
And so that that, you know, that's how you got your drinks at that show. And like bands were starting to load in and he, he just jumped in because a lot of you know, smaller bands, they don't have road crews. Right. So if you're just standing around smoking, Hey, I'll, I can haul stuff in for you. No problem.
00:24:59
Speaker
And, uh, he was standing there or helping load in. And one of the guys in the band all there was like looking him. He's like, Hey, uh, Jim, you know,
00:25:11
Speaker
weren't you roommates of Paul? the guy's like, yeah. Oh, here. and he like read goes into the van and pulls out a stack of mail and hands it to the guy. um it was It's just this level of community that metalheads have that it's, it's kind of fascinating.
00:25:29
Speaker
That's awesome. is right Can I ah jump in and ask about the mosh pit situation? Cause I feel like that's a very important thing we didn't talk about last time. Okay. So Patty, there was a mosh pit there.
00:25:41
Speaker
There was. Okay. Steve, tell tell us, what's what's is there a protocol? Is there an etiquette? sir ah eat Ish. um Now, this is all my personal assumptions. Other people might have other thoughts on this, but like, I mean, moshing's been around. it It came from slam dancing back in the punk days, the early 80s.
00:26:08
Speaker
um And I've kind of seen it break into like three different styles of mosh pit. um Prevalently is like a pogo pit. That's what I call it. It's where everybody's jumping up and down.
00:26:22
Speaker
It's just this, everybody's just clumped up together and just jumping up and down. If you saw like videos from Woodstock, corn playing, and you see how the crowd is just jumping up and down, i call that a pogo pit.
00:26:38
Speaker
And then I like to call it the violent circles. And it's just everybody is like stampeding in a circle, slamming into each other. And it's just circling around.
00:26:53
Speaker
And then you have kind of the hardcore scene. um They have kind of like, it's called crowd killing, which
00:27:07
Speaker
A lot of us old school metalheads hate because literally they are practicing their karate moves. Like they're jumping around and flat out kicking roundhousing people that are just standing there. They're flinging their fists around in like circles, just punching anybody and everybody.
00:27:27
Speaker
So, but that's mainly prevalent in the hardcore death core scenes. I do see like the enjoyment of the the pogo pit. I remember just when at concerts or younger, like at dances and stuff, be like, okay, let's mosh. And then we'd all just kind of like jump into each other. And i was like, it was enjoyable. There was a kid who decided that he wanted to ran up onto the stage and then attempted to body surf. And it, it wasn't all a big success. Like, not enough people were like ready or yeah he just kind of like, well, he got let down.
00:28:07
Speaker
yeah Yeah. There's a pig destroyer weekend nachos or two bands that they are known for having body surfers. They like invite, get up on the stage, screw the security, beat them up, get up here. Just, you know,
00:28:29
Speaker
And a lot of bands will go hardcore for the crowd surfers. So myself personally, I hate crowd surfers because I grew up with glasses and I'd be in the pit and a body surfer would slam and kick me in the face. And I was like, boom, there goes my glasses. Oh, now I can't see the rest of the show. Thanks. thanks I'm blind now. yeah.
00:28:54
Speaker
It was personal. I was certain and not um animosity towards crowd surfing. So um I was also surprised there were a couple of intergenerational ah groups there. So like a father and son where they weren't there, like as a member of the band was not in their family. So I was like, Oh, that's cool. There was one where it was like three generations. It was this guy, two brothers, their father, And then their kid, one or two kids. And so like, I think the kid was maybe like eight to 10 years old.
00:29:30
Speaker
And so i was like, that's cool. And at one point the one dad's like, went up to the other dad and he's like, is this your son? And he's like, yeah. He's like, I'm here with my son too. Like, you know, proud it is kind of an accomplishment because my buddy mops, he yeah both his kids are not metal people at all.
00:29:50
Speaker
Don't like metal. And so he goes to his shows. and But another friend of mine, Sean, he, his son is all into shows and go into metal shows. And so it's like, he has to actually tell us, that no, I can't, we can't go. Cause I'm not driving you down to that show. I got work tomorrow.
00:30:09
Speaker
So. wait And the show start, the show started nine too. So like, ah ums it's a summertime. So right it's not school night.
00:30:21
Speaker
it's Okay. And even then it doesn't matter. it just, that's when they start sometimes. There was a joke back in the day with metal shows though. If you went to a grind core show and you were 10 minutes late, you missed half the set.
00:30:42
Speaker
Cause all the songs were like 10 seconds long.
00:30:47
Speaker
We got 13 songs. 10 minutes later. All right, have a good night. There was one of the guitarists from the first act played with the second act. And so I couldn't tell which band he belonged to, but they, you could tell that he was like,
00:31:08
Speaker
playing for like, yeah, like he was filling in for both. And I thought that was kind of cool and also impressive because I was like, how do you know all their songs? But he had a guitar that was like one of those like triangle kind of things, like arrows, you know, which felt- Oh, the Flying V?
00:31:26
Speaker
What? Flying V. Okay, there you go. It felt very like glam punk to me is like what I was thinking. And so I loved seeing it in this setting. He had very long feet.
00:31:38
Speaker
blonde hair too and a tattoo that said what was it oh sci-fi or die oh a lot of us are nerds of some other sheer fact uh Because there is kind of a, well, and not necessarily sci-fi, but like um a fantasy element to some of the bands, right? Like there's some dress up, cosplay, that type of thing, um operatic stuff.
00:32:11
Speaker
One of the the super, like the youngest bass player on the second group, who I was like, oh, he's probably 16 at the most. His parents decided to stand right in front of me And they kept just like getting closer and closer, like backing up. And I was like, ugh. And I came back up because I was like against an arcade game. So I finally moved. But he it felt he was like attempting to headbang. First off, he had to take his glasses off while he was playing. And... um his hair wasn't nearly as long. Like he probably hasn't been growing it out for so long. But he was headbanging, but it wasn't in time with the music. But then that led me to believe, like to ask the question and Steve, I'd like your thoughts.
00:32:56
Speaker
Is that okay? Like, is the headbanging to be in time with the music or is it just kind of like, however you're feeling it, however your head needs to bang? Yeah. ah Basically. I mean, it's best to be on time with the music, but you know, Sometimes you get off kilter on it and just go with it. And if you're in a rhythm, just keep rolling with it. yeah Yeah. And he couldn't find a rhythm, but I think he was looking for it. So, you know, I'm like, Oh, is he the bass player?
00:33:28
Speaker
Bass player. Yeah. Oh God. That's even worse. Cause bass players kind need to be a little bit more on time than. yeah Yeah. Oh, well. Yeah.
00:33:39
Speaker
ah When I did karaoke at the karaoke party, I did a Pearl Jam song because I had, you know, I got my hair out in Eddie Vedder fashion and I was trying to headbang.
Karaoke Parties and Performances
00:33:49
Speaker
It is actually very difficult. I think that it takes a lot of um physical like you got to be kind of athletic to headbang and sing. So I don't know if he was singing, but or like play an instrument.
00:34:02
Speaker
cannot imagine. what I was thinking, Charlotte. Yeah. That it was like, I want to do this, but I also have to pay attention to, you know, where my fingers are and in my strumming and, you know, yeah. from a Great point.
00:34:15
Speaker
So good for you. You tried to headbang. Well, I did successfully at times headbang. I think that having some beers did not help. So, you know, if he was underage, that that probably helped him. Yeah.
00:34:30
Speaker
in this the lead vocals for the second group. So the first group, it was definitely the the lead vocals there. He was so interesting. He was very wave thin, long, beautiful brown, black hair with curtain bangs that were so thick and so like spot on. And then he had this pencil thin mustache, like very villain, you know.
00:34:56
Speaker
And then is wearing like a mesh black top, a tutu black skirt, like tulle and some huge boots, like black boots, like platform boots with then some like rainbow socks up. I was like, this is, this is a look, you know, like I was like, oh, this is what you're, you probably perform in every time.
00:35:15
Speaker
But his voice was so that stereotypical, like, you know, and it was impressive that he could, keep it up for so long and, and all of that. And I thought back, Steve, to how you were saying, like, it's not about the lyrics in in those instances.
00:35:33
Speaker
Nobody's like singing along, but they were moshing and moving. yeah And then, but then he would like talk and it was like, whoa, like these are so disparate, like what he looked like. And then the voice that was coming out of him when singing or talking but also different. um Well, when we were leaving karaoke, there was this gal that was doing guttural vocals as we were leaving. And she was just, she was amazing in guttural vocals. And she was just this tiny little petite gal. And she just was oh just going at, you know, just...
00:36:13
Speaker
Yeah, I was so glad I took my name off that karaoke list there because she was amazing and I would never ever want to do it anywhere like around the same time that she had just performed. And you made think of one thing that I was going to say earlier when we were talking about moshing because I thought of so this was mid There was early mid two thousand ah there was a scientists watched moshing and how atoms move randomly is exactly how they do a mosh pit works.
00:36:55
Speaker
Wow. Yeah. I mean, they were just like, it just natural, you know, how these atoms move and be and matter bang into each other. That's exactly, if you wanted to see it in person, what, um how a mosh pit moves is exactly this study.
00:37:12
Speaker
found. And probably because it's like everybody, there is no movement. Like there's no like, Oh, this is the move. So it's like everybody's interpretation. And then also like there's enough variety of, Oh, we're not always doing this together. So we haven't come to rhythm yet. And so it's just enough random. And you'll get a random person that just runs from one side of the pit to the other and just slams into somebody. You get those guys that I used to love going the, reverse direction in the mosh pit and just slamming into, you know, going against the flow of everybody and just, I don't do it now tooled for that. You're going to get hurt. But yeah, also the, how you were saying the look, a lot of bands when they were in there on stage, they have a certain look and that's, they have a perfected look that they go for every time they're on stage.
00:38:09
Speaker
Yeah. Which makes, which makes a lot of sense. Kind of theatrical. And it kind reminds me like, I would have certain outfits that I'm like, ooh, I'm going to go to a party tonight. So I want to wear like one of these outfits. You had your favorite outfit. Yep.
00:38:23
Speaker
So that was, that was my experience overall. Really great. I, yeah, I was going to say, I probably won't do it again, but I, I don't know for sure.
00:38:35
Speaker
don't know if you, if you get a chance, um, in the company of serpents is coming to st Louis. here shortly and you should go check those guys out. In the company of serpents?
00:38:47
Speaker
Yep. Okay, writing it down. And feel free to talk to Grant. He's the lead singer guy. Tell him you know Steve and he'll, again, you'll you'll be just and you'll right into the family. Okay.
00:38:59
Speaker
Do it. Do it. And then afterwards, look up a band called Shat for crazy ways costumes that bands wear okay on stage. I think they were, for an underground version of Gwar, you get shat.
00:39:28
Speaker
You get shat. Yeah. They're a fun band. We just randomly, me my buddy, we were seeing another band at, it was Three Kings, and they just happened to open up And we were listening to him like, wow, these guys are great.
00:39:46
Speaker
And then he kind of looked at me like, wow, that is a look. I don't want to spoil it for anybody, but yeah. Let's see. I'm just putting it in right now. Yeah. Make sure you put band after shot. Want any weird. Okay.
00:40:06
Speaker
Well, okay. Okay. o gay will okay Yeah, Steph will probably not say for podcast to describe what they're wearing, but yeah. Oh, okay. You can. It's your podcast. All right. Well, I'll give a little you know description of my homework and then Steve mostly I'm gonna want you to tell some of the stories that you told me at the brewery although with less violent detail of some of it but oh boy you don't want to go into the full ah background of mayhem no because that's the what what kind of subgenre is that that's like that's true Norwegian death or black metal yeah true Norwegian black metal is like you have to say true Norwegian when you talk mayhem for black metal. So I think that kind of the coolest part was, well, one hearing people like singing songs, with karaoke, and there were a lot of different kinds of styles of songs. Like, I think there was one that might have been even oh,
00:41:14
Speaker
ah oh I think the person who was running the show did a Radiohead song, Creep, right? Which I think is a great, great option. We decided we went through some of the songs that I might be able to do just by listening to about 30 seconds of them and whether I'd be able to karaoke them or not when i was trying to figure out if I could do it. was going to maybe do Typo Negative. Which one was it?
00:41:45
Speaker
Summer Breeze. summer breeze and They do a version of Summer Breeze. that I was like, I know that song. That's a great song.
00:41:54
Speaker
But I didn't get a chance to. But if we go back, that's what that's what I'm going to do. Ooh, okay. You've got to practice. Yeah. I listened to Type O Negative on the way home that night, and it was good. The part of the reason I wanted to do the karaoke is because at the the karaoke party, somebody did like a metal version are they just did Kelly Clarkson's Since You've Been Gone in a metal way.
00:42:25
Speaker
And it was amazing. So I'd like to be able to do something like that. So those standard Kelly Clarkson music played and they just performed. he was just like, Since you've been gone, I am bereaved for the first time.
00:42:43
Speaker
ah But better than that. It was amazing. That's cool. Mm hmm. But yeah, so the true Norwegian black metal, let's not get too into it because it's really kind of disturbing, but it just kind of gives like a sense of how metal you can get or how dark it can get versus then like a fun metal, you know?
Concert Reviews and Fan Interactions
00:43:13
Speaker
Hmm. we We did ah forget. to You didn't really say how well you liked Havoc. Oh my gosh. Yes. I didn't even talk about Havoc. Oh, wow. Oh, I love those guys. That's only reason I ask. Cause I'm like, ah I've known Havoc since they were actually originally a Denver band.
00:43:30
Speaker
Oh, cool. No, I really liked them. They originated in Denver and then they moved to l LA cause they actually got a real record contract. So they're not underground anymore? Yeah. Yeah. You say Havoc, nobody's really going to know who you're talking about. They won't. like Oh, yeah, like you said, Metallica. make go There was a song that they played. Oh, Illusions of Death.
00:43:58
Speaker
Death is an Illusion. And I really loved it. I think there was also one, Chemical Dependency or something like that. Now, of course, do I know that those were the names of them? No. But Those were the words that they said. I did like it though a lot. Like the lead singer, I liked his voice a lot. He did a ah ah so much variety with his voice where there were points where I'm like, oh yeah, I'm understanding the lyrics and this is cool. And then other times where it's just like, what did you call it? The guttural.
00:44:29
Speaker
But they they were great. And man, people were psyched that they were, you know, like you could tell that everybody in there was a fit. with the exception of, you know, the the moms and dads, but even probably some of them, um they were fans and they were there to put on a show. That's when one of the people went up on the stage and started to do the mosh pit. And they were just like unfazed by it. Like he did it a couple times, you know, where he would get up there and they were like, that's fine. We're, we're cool with that. We're just playing. And um yeah, they were great. They were really, really good.
00:45:05
Speaker
Yeah. There's a few bands out there. I mean, a little bit more of the bigger bands that are not as okay with people getting on stage just because of what happened to a dime bag, Daryl.
00:45:18
Speaker
He was shot on stage. A fan came up and just boom, shot him in the back of the head while they were playing. so oh my gosh but yeah, when that happened, cause dime bag was the guitar player for a Pantera, which they're a band.
00:45:38
Speaker
band And the band broke up and I think possibly the guy was blaming dime bag and his brother for the break. You know, there was a lot.
00:45:50
Speaker
Yeah. Some problems mentally and sure, but I've seen like a tool. I've seen fans get on stage with that and Maynard would take him out with his Taekwondo moves and yell at security to get to grab them. And yeah, but there's, you know, like a lot of the underground smaller bands, they're just like, we trust our fans. Let's do this. Let's have fun and party.
00:46:19
Speaker
And part of it too was like, ah i was like, I don't think there is any security. Maybe that's like the guy that was taking money at the door also doubles as security, you know, like, Yeah, typically. i mean, it like you say, it depends on the venue and what they decide. But there's there's a lot less barriers in the smaller underground shows for people. so But then as a metal club, you know, ah the leader or one of the members, then you're kind of the security informally, right?
00:46:56
Speaker
ah Yeah, I mean, ah there was... Yeah, so in the festival, I can't think of the name of it. It was a local small local festival, and we yeah took it upon ourselves to actually protect the equipment from the mosh pit.
00:47:19
Speaker
We actually stood in front of the speakers in the PA system pushing people back. because And the guy afterwards was like, thank you, because that was – a couple thousand dollars worth of rented equipment.
00:47:32
Speaker
And if that would have got trashed and, uh, I think they were, they were looking at doing it in the future and actually wanted to contract us to do security.
00:47:44
Speaker
Oh, that would have been really smart. Cause you're going to be there anyways. And yeah, no, we were all, we were all down with it. I was, we were like, yeah, sure. Let's do it. Well, we probably need some more bodies. Cause I was sitting there like coordinating times and okay, if I'm having people really work, I need to have rotations in and out and make sure we've got coverage. and Because if we're actually getting quote-unquote paid for this, we need to be more on top of it.
00:48:14
Speaker
That's one thing I was pretty happy with when I was looking at shows in St. Louis. i was like, wow, you guys got a decent amount of metal shows come through here. And I was like, hmm, they have a pretty decent scene there in St. Louis. so Yeah.
Themes and Diversity in Metal Music
00:48:27
Speaker
Nice. news to me. Yeah. It's a little niche thing. You'd never know about that's happening every night. So yeah, no, uh, yeah. A lot of the stories and stuff. I, like I say, uh, I implore people to look into the background of mayhem, read about it. I won't go into a lot of their detail, but it does involve a lot of band members killing band members.
00:48:55
Speaker
Oh, yeah. It, so Would you say it's where metal gets a little bit of its like kind of... Because there is maybe some stereotype about metal being like dark. Granted, everybody's wearing black, but that it's kind of scary or or things like that. Well, I mean, you get a lot of the satanic panic stuff with it. I mean, you go back to... i mean, hell, one of the very earliest metal songs is by a band called Venom. And their most famous song is in league with Satan.
00:49:36
Speaker
So, you know, you get a lot of the dark imagery that way. A lot of the black metal stuff ah is very anti-Christian and it gets a little like mayhem and a few other black metal bands were known for taking a pig's head and putting it on a spike on stage and taking a knife and cutting chunks off and throwing it into the crowd.
00:50:00
Speaker
Oh, good Lord. Wow. Or taking another black metal band was they would throw fermented blood. They would buy bulk blood and just toss it into the audience.
00:50:15
Speaker
Just a shock value type stuff. Out of your faces. Gallagher fans would wear like a poncho. if they were Yeah.
00:50:27
Speaker
ah You get bands like war that do kind of the same stick, but they do fake blood and and it's all fake stuff, which the thing is, is ah I always told my guys, never wait your cut to a gore show because any white's going to get stained and you're never going to be able to get that white again. So if you have any white on a patch, it's, it's gone.
00:50:50
Speaker
ah Normally war would sell white t-shirts. Oh, so you could like – And you'd go into the pit and you'd get all covered, you know, just have white T-shirt with Gwar. And by the end of the night, it was like tie-dye from all the fake – This was created by the show that I just went to. Yep.
00:51:11
Speaker
So –
00:51:14
Speaker
Well, and then there is such a range. Like i have a I have a client who likes to kind of like send me links sometimes of different different things and is into a lot of different kinds of metal.
00:51:29
Speaker
And it's an older older person. too but so he sent me links to one that was like I think pirate metal one that was folk metal and then there's some others that were like sort of like you European bands but very like cinematic kinds of o symphonic kind of metal oh cinematic costumes like a whole orchestra in one of them
00:52:01
Speaker
And just like much more of that opera kind of vibe. But that I think that there are some singers who are like trained opera singers.
00:52:14
Speaker
Just a huge range. Dee Snider from the band Twisted Sister. He's classically trained opera singer. He prefers metal, but he could belt out a classic opera whenever he wanted.
00:52:29
Speaker
This person was telling me that one of the band lead singers is like normally an orthodontist. And then she's in this band by night. There's no money in metal, unfortunately. Especially the more underground you get, there's there's no money in it. Unless it's braces.
00:52:50
Speaker
What'd you say? Unless it's braces. Charlotte! And there's some other things, some not pretty sides of metal. I mean, the the far right has kind of infiltrated some genres of metal. Like i made the joke last episode about there's only a matter of time before war metal becomes Nazi metal. You'll get the far right leanings and a little bit of fascism because in Mayhem, ah one of the,
00:53:24
Speaker
one of the the the guy that killed the other, i think anyways, I don't remember which instrument who played, but, uh, basically Varg, uh, was the guy that went to jail for the killing.
00:53:40
Speaker
And of course it's Norway. he, he didn't get life in prison. He got like 20 years and he's, he got, he's out of prison now. And uh,
00:53:54
Speaker
He does a far right podcast. oh Which again, with art, it's like, you're going to get people expressing themselves and whatever mental health issues or political beliefs or religious, whatever it is coming, being expressed in that. It's like, that it yeah, that's what. it Same goes with like movies being creative. You,
00:54:21
Speaker
You'll have people that are creative in their own way for whatever their beliefs are. so Yeah. Yeah.
Metal's Accessibility and Inclusivity
00:54:28
Speaker
And I think that um one of the things that we usually, so one of the things we usually talk about in the second episode is accessibility. And I know Steve, last time, afterwards you had said, oh, there's a whole bunch of stuff we didn't even talk about, like like misogyny in in metal and all of that. So thinking about accessibility, like what are your thoughts about how accessible it is for people like of
00:54:56
Speaker
all different groups and, um, identities. Yeah. Well, I mean, you pointed, ah early in the episode where you went to the show and it was mainly white men at the, you know, at the show. And that's kind of how it is. I mean, I've seen a lot of actual, uh, in the last few years. Um, it's been rather fascinating. Like, uh, you go to, uh,
00:55:26
Speaker
it's called slam metal, or at least that's a slam death metal. And, uh, you get a lot more, the female side of the audience will be, there'll be more there than men, which I find pretty fascinating for that style of metal. Uh, cause like the band peeling flesh, Oh, I'm trying to think of like brutal death metal that you get a large group of females that turn out for the brutal death metal.
00:55:56
Speaker
And a lot of the the lyrics are not exactly favorable to women's point of view. like Misogynistic. Yeah. Very misogynistic lyrics, but they show up for that and they have a great time.
00:56:14
Speaker
I went with it and type. No, it's, they're fully into it. They'll, they throw mouth guards in and jump in the mosh pit.
00:56:24
Speaker
That's a good idea. I wonder if there's something to it that's like the largely female interest in true crime, where it's like,
00:56:35
Speaker
okay, I want to be prepared. I want to know everything I need to know so I can be prepared. I want to hear everything they're saying about me so that I can you know be ready to defend myself against this misogynistic messaging or whatever it is. like I wonder if there's any similarity there of like, why why do you come here through this? Why does this type of metal you know attract you?
00:56:57
Speaker
And then what was the, there was the um video that you had sent us of a band that you are really liking now. And I think the lead singer of that band is black, right? So ye it not white is I guess there's not, there's been a lot of like really good female led bands. um One of my, yeah another favorite band recently is a castrator.
00:57:24
Speaker
It's an all female band and, They go out, then they throw down. ah I've enjoyed seeing them live. But yeah, peeling flesh has been, appealing I've been enjoying a lot of peeling flesh.
00:57:39
Speaker
The lead vocals of Havoc is also not white. Yeah. and Okay. To check them out. Yeah. Yeah. Fun story. My buddy Mops bought their last CD went before they left for Los Angeles from the, their grandma and from the trunk of her car after the show, he just, he ended up running into the, I think the lead singer, one of the guys in the band's grandma and was like, Oh yeah, no, i got CDs. Come on.
00:58:11
Speaker
He went, he bought the CD in the back of the back of the truck from his old, the grandma. So right she just has her merch.
00:58:23
Speaker
Yeah. but yeah, no, I mean, it's, it's been a recently. There's been a lot more of like, uh, we were showing that Carrie saying at karaoke, there was that gal that she could do the guttural just as good as any guy and just threw down right there. i mean, so yeah, there's been a lot of really good, uh, female bands coming out recently. I mean, before when I was growing up in it, it was a male dominated field.
00:58:52
Speaker
Um, Like you go to like a Pantera show and if there was females there that they were drunk and they were probably there flashing. And that was the whole deal with that.
00:59:07
Speaker
That was like, but they were expected to just that. Yep. Yep. You get drunk and you get on some guy's shoulder and take your top off.
00:59:18
Speaker
oh back in the day. yeah Yeah, I think that other, I mean, aside from, so it's good that that's changing because then it's just easier for people to go to shows or listen to the music and feel more comfortable or.
00:59:37
Speaker
Right. Comfortable and safe. I mean, cause that's, we all want yeah the the fun thing with the underground metal. You always feel that little bit of danger, like walking into the, the dark club that you, you know, and you're like,
00:59:51
Speaker
where am I walking into this dark world? But you get into that dark world and it's kind of like, you know, it's actually not that bad. Everybody's very friendly. It's you, you get that sense of community from everybody. And you know, you don't very rarely have I seen true fights, breakout at shows.
01:00:14
Speaker
Occasionally I have, but normally that it mainly all revert revolves around beef outside of the show. To your point, Steve, there are a lot of shows that are, you know, most nights of the week. So if you want to see live music and I think the ticket to the show I saw was like $25. So depending on, you know, your financial situation to go see one of those, you know, once a week or once a month could be possible. When I, when I was looking at the shows, i was like, Ooh, that's a high dollar show. 25
01:00:50
Speaker
I was looking at couple and I'm like, that's five bucks. That ain't bad. going to check that one out for five bucks. Yes. That helps a lot just to, even if you just want to like try out, like, am I going to even like this kind of music? Then just five bucks, go and see.
01:01:08
Speaker
Absolutely. And sometimes you just need to make that metalhead friend that will be okay, well, what do you listen to? okay. Yeah. Here, try this band.
01:01:21
Speaker
Let me introduce you to some of the stuff that I listened to that got me into it that you know will help you transition and be a little bit more. Some people can go more extreme and heavy.
01:01:34
Speaker
Other people are like, nah, I'm good at the Metallica level. um Some people are like, yeah, give me Slayer to all right, let's go Napalm Death and Brutal Truth.
01:01:48
Speaker
Maybe a little pig destroyer. i didn't know what any of that meant except the metallic part. Well, there's another band, ah Agoraphobic Nosebleed, which they ah yeah they they're basically semi-noi... Well, their early stuff is like a noise band.
01:02:13
Speaker
um Noise is... It's exactly what it sounds like is noise. isn it And all of these genres are making me wonder, Charlotte, what were the results? What what subgenre are you?
01:02:30
Speaker
I was just gonna say, because one of them was saying the second one, and I, I object to this. It said, I'm just basic metal. So it said, like this classic heavy metal classic. It didn't use the word basic, but it said classic heavy metal.
01:02:51
Speaker
okay all right There's a lot of people, a lot of guys with great that are like, yeah. Iron Maiden, Judas Priest. Man of War. And then the first the first one i I took, though, it said I'm Metalcore.
01:03:06
Speaker
And I feel like I might be metalcore because ah then the examples were like kill switch engage, all that remains, bring me the horizon shadows fall. I listened to a little bit of kill switch engage and I was like, Oh, I like this.
01:03:22
Speaker
But then I listened to a little bit of, i think, bring me the horizon. And I was like, this sounds exactly the same. And so I think I need to, figure out, uh, does it have a diversity of sound that I enjoy, but yeah. So, and sometimes you can't even put your finger on it.
01:03:45
Speaker
Um, there's a band, uh, white chapel, everything about them, their style there, they do like weird, um, concept albums, which I'm always down for a good concept album.
01:04:02
Speaker
Um, My favorite is a pig destroyer prowler in the yard, which is basically the, the concept part of it is it's the thoughts of a guy that is stalking like his prey.
01:04:18
Speaker
It's a song by song. What's going through his head while he's staring through the window. like Fun stuff. But I love a good concept album.
01:04:29
Speaker
Whitechapel just doesn't do it for me. I don't know what it is. I'll sit down and be like, all right, maybe this will be the time it'll it'll finally click and be there. i'm like, no, I still, no, no Whitechapel.
01:04:41
Speaker
Not my scene. I feel like that's kind of how I feel about some of these subgenres because when I hear like folk metal, I'm like, okay, that seems like a mix that I would be into. And then I listen to it I'm like, meh.
01:04:55
Speaker
give me more metal or like, you know, something that's kind of piratey. And I'm like, this is too crisp and clean and beautiful actually. So yeah, you think that you're gonna to like it, but.
01:05:11
Speaker
In some genres I get like pirate metal. I can only do short bursts of, um, I saw one that was carnival metal. So it was all like sideshow themed and, you know,
01:05:25
Speaker
all the backing music was like, uh, you know, i was just like after the third or fourth song is like, ah, okay, I think I'm done here.
01:05:38
Speaker
going outside for a bit. So that's a concept band or concept genre that like, yeah, you can only get, i think a little at a time. You're going to,
01:05:51
Speaker
horrible nightmare. It's really down to personal preference because some people say that about Grindcore. Some people say that about Doom. Granted, to to be fair, i went to a festival. It was Doomfest and it was an all-day festival of Doom bands.
01:06:08
Speaker
By the seventh or eighth band, I was like, okay, I need to get out of here for a while. so Thankfully, the club was headed in and out. so I was like, all right, I'm going to go leave for a while and come back.
01:06:21
Speaker
You go to the bar across the street and just have a couple beers and chill out. And then, okay, I can get back into Doomfest, but... Too much Doom.
01:06:32
Speaker
Yeah. Even my favorite genres, there's only so much you'll... can go with. Patty, I want you to take this subgenre ah one right now. It's very fast.
01:06:43
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ah Steve, I don't want you to take it unless you want to, but I'm worried that you're going to not like the answer if it says something that you don't you don't like. ah But you can take it. good no This one was very quick and I liked it because you didn't have to be a metal fan. I took another one where it was asking questions like, what's your favorite female lead metal band? And then it named six of them. And I was like, I don't know any of these. So then I looked up every single one of them and listened to a little clip of them, which is, which is how I know that there's at least six bands over the course of time that have women as their, their lead singers.
01:07:27
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And so that was kind of fun to get a sense of the, the wide, range of sounds that they have. I can only pick one aesthetic. Yeah. And you can only some of them I wanted to pick like three. You can only pick one. Yeah. You want to describe any of what the questions are.
01:07:46
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This is a you. I don't know what you quizzes. Oh, I can't go back either. That's unfortunate. No. Yeah.
01:07:59
Speaker
You can start the quiz over again. Well, I picked body horror. um But that's just more of like... I know the bands that are body horror bands.
01:08:14
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That's like cattle decapitation. I'd consider them body horror.
01:08:23
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what when When it asks pick an aesthetic... Okay, so that's one of them. dark naturalism is one of them high fantasy bar club college academia.
01:08:36
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well Well, when you read those, do you know immediately like what sub genre it's talking about? Yep, exactly. You do. Okay. okay Yep. Thrash metal.
01:08:48
Speaker
Does that make sense for you? Yeah, I guess. I, I, uh, I see where i actually got the whole, uh, how it got that though.
01:09:00
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And that was mainly, so like dark naturalism, I'm back on the aesthetic dark naturalism. You're going to get a lot more of the doom metal. Okay. Um, body horror.
01:09:11
Speaker
Um, it's called porno grind. I would say you get a lot more of the body horror. Hmm. Um, bar and club.
01:09:23
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I don't know. know exactly what it's going with that one. High Fantasies, Power Metal. College Academia, you get Math Corps.
01:09:35
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Wild Child, that's Thrash. Urban Corps, I'm not 100% sure. Maybe like Peeling Flesh or it could be even going like more of a New Metal.
01:09:49
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Slipknot, Limp Bizkit style. ah Scene, that's all like hardcore bands. I like just watching Patty just taking this test and all the faces she's making too. just got my results.
01:10:05
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What's the result? Dad rock. Ah, metal. yeah Dad rock. Ah, metal. Ah. A-H.
01:10:18
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Yeah. So it says the old bands that started it all. Examples. Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Motorhead, Iron Maiden. I was going to throw ACDC in there. Cause that's.
01:10:29
Speaker
That, that was listed in the other one when it says I was classic metal, it was one of those. Okay. Like they also listed.
01:10:40
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Oh, good stuff. All right. we're We're a little basic. I think we're the, well, classic classic is better than basic. yeah
01:10:52
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Well, you just guys got to just keep going to shows and, Exactly. It'll change. You'll get in into, yeah. The only character I recognized from those available, so I chose it, was Chucky. So I'm like, I think this screwed my results as well.
01:11:07
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yeah ah Yeah, I wanted to just say, can I just say not Chucky? And that's the only thing I care about. It terrifies me. But this does lead into our, our question about the lowest scale level of integration, unless there's anything else that.
01:11:30
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I think it's going to be for me, one of those things that now that I've gone to a show and it wasn't scary, i will potentially like look into the serpent one that you just mentioned. I'll check out there. I just saw they're going to be at food bar too. So I'm like, Oh, i I already know them and Hey, it's a recommendation. So I might check that out. Um, it's not the type of music I would necessarily put on to listen to. I think that it's much more the type that I would like to see live with other people who are enjoying it.
01:12:03
Speaker
Yeah. that There's bands out there that they translate well. to li There's a lot of the bands, you see them live and it's the most amazing thing possible. And then you listen to their CD or album and you're like, eh.
01:12:19
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Yeah. It's missing something. Yeah.
01:12:24
Speaker
This should probably bring ah earplugs, huh? When I go to a show. Yes. Okay. Okay. I didn't have any, but yes, that would have been a good idea. I think for me, i gonna say I'm going to say 50 out of 100 lowest score integration. Because here's the here's the problem is that i I want to be metal so bad. I really want it that it's uncool.
01:12:52
Speaker
It's very uncool. how Right. You start becoming a poser at that point. and then Yeah. so Once you're a poser, the metal world kind of gets closed out to you. Exactly. And I think that because I don't, I wouldn't say I naturally find the music that I've heard to be like, ah, I want to listen to this all the time. So I got to really find the music that speaks to me and then yeah do some exploration, go to some shows and find something where I will not be a poser. I can be metal and it will be natural.
01:13:26
Speaker
Yeah. And then you'll be like, performing your favorite metal songs at karaoke once a month. Yes. And I can wear whatever I want because it will just emanate from me. The fact that I am so authentically engaged in this.
01:13:41
Speaker
yeah Yes. yeah Oh, well, Steve, thank you for sharing your interest with us and no problems and and all of the knowledge. It was definitely outside of my comfort zone and I loved it.
01:13:58
Speaker
That's the best part about metal, getting you out of your comfort zone. Yeah. I feel like it is a very emotional type of music and it's, it's really like you could just get
Conclusion and Gratitude
01:14:11
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so into it. So thank you very much. Really appreciate having you on. No problem.
01:14:18
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Glad to be here. Thank you for the opportunity. Yeah. And good luck with your job search. We will. Yeah. Send any referrals your way, but your interview, hope it goes well.
01:14:30
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01:14:51
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