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My Halloween Horror Haven: Witching Hour feat. Galen Roberts (Episode 90)
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In this special Charmed-themed episode of Gather Them!!!, I sit down with TikTok creator and 90s nostalgia expert Galen, also known as Mr. G (@powerofg2024). We dive deep into the iconic 90s series Charmed, exploring its impact on Black and queer audiences despite its limited representation. Galen shares their journey as a content creator, what makes 90s TV shows like Charmed timeless, and why these shows still resonate with millennials and Gen Z today.
We also play a fun “Charmed Men Showdown,” where Galen reveals their favorite characters and moments from the series. From nostalgic throwbacks to insightful discussions on media representation, this episode is packed with both humor and thought-provoking commentary.
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Transcript
Introduction and Guest Welcome
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Hey, everyone.
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Welcome back to another episode of Gather Them Podcast.
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I'm your host, Jerome, and we're back for another episode.
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And this week I have a special guest for our podcast.
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October Halloween horror series.
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And I'm so excited because they are also a super big fan of the 90s, early 2000s hit TV show, Charmed.
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And I just can't wait to introduce
Interview Beginnings and Common Interests
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you.
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But here we go.
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Welcome, Galen.
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Hi.
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Hello.
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Thank you for having me.
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Hey, thanks for coming on.
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We were just talking and I was like, I've never really, this is the first time I've reached out to someone.
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I'm like, I don't know.
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And I'm like, let's just interview and let's just talk about Charmed.
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Yeah, that always works.
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I appreciate you reaching out to me and even respecting what I have to say enough to want me to be a guest.
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So thank you.
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Yeah, I think that, and we'll talk about this a little bit later, but I think one of the things that initially drew me to your content on TikTok, because you're from TikTok, or at least that's how I know you, or found out about you, is that you're also a Black man, you know,
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um within the queer community that like identifies with loving this show and i'm like i don't really see many of us i mean i see i see us but like not necessarily people that you know are thicker or like that look like me right yeah and i'm like this is okay so and this is going to be interesting i think later on as we get into it and so i was like okay i have to get him on the show we got to talk about this so
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I'm really excited to have you.
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Thank you.
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I appreciate that.
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I have enjoyed over the past couple of years getting to know more people in the community and kind of I feel like there's been more of a discussion had between us that we couldn't have before because, you know, especially I'm from the South.
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And so, you know, when you think like armed, it was always like you would get made fun of for like watching, you know, like white people stuff, things like that.
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So it's, it's been very heartwarming to be able to meet people like myself who love this show.
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And surprisingly, a lot of black people tend to love charmed.
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I find very, very, which I think is like very interesting.
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So yeah, let's kind of dive right in.
Galen's Background and Connection to Charmed
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But yeah, tell us a little bit, I guess, about yourself.
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Let's just kind of kick things off and, you know, just kind of give us a little bit of background about who you are and where you're from.
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What do you do?
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Is TikTok like your only job?
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Like all of those things.
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Oh, I wish I, so, you know, of course my name is Galen.
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I'm from Louisiana.
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I'm a very small town in Louisiana.
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So whenever I say that people say, Oh, I love New Orleans.
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Oh, I love this.
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And I'm like, well, baby, I'm not from the fun part.
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I am very much from Northern Louisiana.
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We, we don't have the Mardi Gras and the this and the that we're just up here in the woods.
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Um,
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I have been watching Charmed since I was about 10, somewhere in there.
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And I really just have a love of sci-fi movies, fantasy stories, things like that.
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I don't read quite as much as I did when I was younger, but I've always loved Harry Potter.
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I had gotten really into the idea of the Hunger Games, even though I know that's not
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supernatural.
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I got really into dystopian futures, things like that.
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I love those kind of stories.
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And those tend to be, I think, what make up the bulk of my viewing experience is, you know,
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supernatural theme, but also those sci-fi themes, those sort of like out of the realm of possibility themes that, you know, you just kind of have to like sit at night and look out the window and maybe one day that'll be me.
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So I think that's, those kinds of stories attract me because, um,
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I did.
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I was a lot alone, a lot as a kid.
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And that was what I had to entertain me.
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So for me, those stories hold a special place because you can put yourself in the middle of it.
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Mm hmm.
Cultural Reflections and TikTok Journey
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Right.
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No, I think you're definitely right about that.
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And I feel like with, I was thinking too, you said Louisiana, and I was thinking about, because that's what I love, like the horror kind of aspects of, or the Gothic things about New Orleans, voodoo and
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uh you know things like that and i even you know went to a couple years ago went to uh new orleans and um we you know me and my friends we went to uh we did a couple other things outside of um new orleans we went to uh what was it we did a swamp tour we did a um
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Oh my God.
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What else did we do?
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We did a, uh, swamp tour.
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Uh, oh, we went to a plantation.
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That's what it was.
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Went to a plantation and, um, it was the Whitley plantation.
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And it was just like very interesting just to witness the, you know, all of the kind of horror that had happened, um, in that area.
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And, um,
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how Louisiana itself is just so rich in that culture.
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So, yeah, I think that that is like a really kind of interesting draw oftentimes that people, I mean, maybe make to Louisiana.
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But yeah, how did you get started?
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I think on TikTok with the, you know, with Charmed.
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Um, interestingly enough, I feel like my first like step steps into TikTok was completely like it had nothing to do with Charmed.
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I initially would just try to like, cause I never really planned to get on social media and like do things like, you know, like create, I just kind of was on there.
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Um, generically just as another person, um, with a page.
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And one day I started, this was when Rosa was real big, like, you know, Rosa and Adam, um,
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Like when the Rosa character was taking it by storm and I had done a few like little stitches and whatever else with the character, with those videos.
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And they, I mean, they were, they were okay.
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I feel like that was my first attempt.
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And then I uploaded like a couple of clips of Charmed and then one day, but they never really gained any traction.
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I don't think anybody ever really like cared.
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And then one day, um,
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I did a video and I want to say that was the first one that ever like people noticed was the one I have.
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And I think it's still pinned on my page.
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Actually I did.
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I use the sound of like the car.
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There was at this point, the trending sound was like a car vrooming.
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And it was like the green screen.
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It was like the car going through like the night or whatever in a, in a city.
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Oh yes.
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Yes.
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And,
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And I did that and I did it like the, I think I captioned it like the charmed ones heading to demons before they met Paige.
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It was something like that.
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And like, literally I just did it and was like, this is fun.
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This is funny.
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I looked a mess and I, cause I didn't think anybody was gonna pay attention to it.
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So I looked and absolutely.
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That's the funny part about it too, is that like, you can literally look a mess and people will be like,
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oh yeah, this is like hilarious.
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This person's so funny.
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And it's like, y'all don't know.
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Every time.
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The ones where I have like my haircut is like the ones that'll be like, oh yeah, okay, that's cute.
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And then the ones-
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Mm-hmm.
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Like, it's like, you know, a few people look at it and then the ones where I'm like looking downtrodden and like I'm just probably struggling for pennies and then people will be like, yes, this is it.
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I'm like, okay.
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So now I just kind of post, but I think that's one of the things that helped me to get into the journey was even though I would...
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After that particular video, I was trying to post very regularly, but I got to a point where I was just like, I'm just going to have fun with it.
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And that was my, that was my first like step into the charmed realizing like, oh, other people watch the show.
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Other people know what I'm talking about.
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Other people know what I mean when I say that before they met her, they had to hoof it, you know?
Character Analysis of Charmed
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And when I saw that reaction, that was when I was like, okay, I was like, let me, let me do this a couple more times and see what people have to say.
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And so here we are.
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Yeah, because they was putting miles on that Jeep.
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Like, that was crazy.
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That was crazy.
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That Jeep in.
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Because she was like, I don't have so many miles on it.
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Between that Jeep and Improves BMW?
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No.
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They were putting vehicles on them.
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Miles.
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Yes.
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Driving up and through San Francisco.
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Mm-hmm.
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let's see for, I guess our first kind of segment, we kind of started actually let's kind of do a different one.
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Let's do a fun one to start.
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This one we are going to do is our, it's going to be a game.
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So we are going to do a this or that, but it's going to be, you know, the,
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title of it is charmed men a showdown uh who's your magical match that's the uh full title um but uh yeah let's go let's let's let's see you know who would you pick between two charmed men all right
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This is going to be so messy.
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It's going to be messy, but it's going to be fine.
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Okay.
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All right.
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Leo or Cole?
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Cole.
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Okay.
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Why?
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Because I would... I would choose... Well, Leo is not my favorite character.
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Leo is...
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manipulative in a very sneaky way to me.
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And I just, I think I'd be okay with that if, if he would own it.
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I think, and I think that's the difference between like Cole and Leo is Cole is still a horrible choice in like actual terms, but at least he owns the fact that he's a liar and a manipulator.
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So yeah,
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I can work with that.
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I can go somewhere with that.
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I can live in my delusion with that.
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Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense, honestly.
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I feel like I would probably pick Cole 2 between the two because I feel like Leo was...
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I hated how he would just always come in between the sisters and I'd just be like, you're supposed to guide them.
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And then when they actually would need him for help, he'd be nowhere to be found.
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And at least with Cole, I feel like with Cole, he did try to be good.
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And unfortunately, it just didn't work out.
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The thing with Cole for me is, um, I think he tried to be good for Phoebe.
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I don't know that he tried to actually be good.
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And I, cause I get what you're saying.
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That's a good question.
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That's a good point.
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I always put that caveat on it because I think that that's such a big part of Cole's character that we as a fandom tend to put a lot of emphasis on that he wanted to be good.
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But I think Cole would have been perfectly, perfectly fine being evil if Phoebe had been by his side.
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And I think season five was a good indication.
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Yeah, no, that's a really good point.
00:13:44
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I had not thought about that.
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Um, especially knowing that he's half human, half evil.
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Um, and I don't know if, you know, I think that's where it kind of, you know, the line gets blurred a little bit where it's like, okay, so what part of you, because some humans are bad, you know, there is, or like there are some people and it's just, it's not the way, you know, it's not necessarily always, um,
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intentioned, like some people are just born, you know, wired a different way.
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And so it's like, well, at what point does the man begin and the demon end or start or whatever, you know?
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Right.
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And I think a lot of that comes from Charmed not really having a good sense of neutrality.
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I think they were very... Ooh, child.
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Yeah.
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They were very stuck in their ways of good and evil.
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And it's hard to watch because you get a character like Cole who really could have been... And I think he was a good character, don't get me wrong.
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But I think that so many of his choices were motivated by...
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someone else that it's hard to pinpoint and say like, you know, when people say like, Oh, Cole's redemption.
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I do not feel Cole was redeemed.
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So yeah, I don't think he was either.
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he tried and then he was human.
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And I think that when people think of redemption, I think they think of that in-between space when he was human.
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Because Charm tells us that humans are good, except for the bad humans, who are not good.
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But we don't focus on the bad humans.
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We look at the good ones.
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And when we do look at the bad humans, it's in the realm of demons and how they interact with them and
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And witches, really, you know, witches aren't supposed to use their powers to punish the guilty.
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So that's how we, you know, see them.
00:15:44
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And then you get an episode like the harpies where the harpies are killing people.
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But we don't have anything to do with that because they're bad guys.
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They don't go after bad guys.
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It's like we're not going to learn with that.
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And it's like that's such a huge thing where I think like.
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it would be worth a whole discussion to be like, oh, well, the harpies are horrible.
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And it's like, you could even have one of the characters ask, why is that so bad?
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And then it's like- Why is it so bad?
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You know, anyway, okay, I'm sorry.
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I'm, my bad.
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Oh, no, no, you're fine.
00:16:18
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And I feel like that also is just a very valid point because I feel like too, it's just a conversation, I think, around the way in which Charmed would polarize or really make
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this line between good and evil and how it didn't really always touch on the ways in which, like, you know, I mean, we have...
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we have the tendency for both, you know, like, unfortunately, and, you know, and I get it that, you know, the thing, you know, or most of it depicted demons or most of it depicted, you know, warlocks and, you know, things of that nature.
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But I feel like even in that, like people that identify as like witches or warlocks in real life, it's like, well, you know, they're not necessarily, you know, good or bad, you know, it's just that they are.
00:17:13
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Right.
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Right.
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And I think that's why, like, when we do talk about bad sides on Charmed, again, we go through the magical aspect.
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So it's like, oh, the Charmed ones turned to evil and they liked it.
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And so we all have a little evil in us.
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And it's like, well, no, it's not that we all have a little evil in us.
00:17:33
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It's we just it just is.
00:17:36
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Yeah, we just are.
00:17:37
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We exist.
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We have the capacity to do malicious things just like we do to do good things.
00:17:44
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So they made it a little too black and white.
00:17:48
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Yeah, I think so.
00:17:50
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And I think in a way they kind of jammed themselves in a box in a way.
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But we will move on to another one.
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Let's do...
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Okay, yeah, no.
00:18:05
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Let's do Chris Hallowell or Wyatt Hallowell adult.
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Both, obviously.
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Evil Wyatt or Good Wyatt?
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There's a difference.
00:18:17
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There's a huge difference.
00:18:17
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Yeah, it's a good one.
00:18:19
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That should have just been a question on its own, honestly.
00:18:21
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Yeah, with an obvious answer.
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Let's...
00:18:26
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Yeah, we could also just take that question out and do that one because that's a really good conversation.
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It leads into or ties into what we just talked about.
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I don't know.
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For me, it would be the bad Wyatt.
00:18:44
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Oh, of course.
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Of course.
00:18:47
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I, well, let me say this.
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Okay.
00:18:49
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So if it's good Wyatt, then I'm going to choose Chris.
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But if it's evil Wyatt, I'm choosing evil Wyatt every time.
00:18:55
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Because I am a bit of a bird and there was something about like...
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There's something about the bad boy he has and the black t-shirt and it's tucked in and he just, the hair and the way, for me though, it's the way that he does.
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It was just the way that he was in like control of himself.
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I think that was the thing that really gets me going is the way that he just like he was in control of his powers.
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And he was very straight to the point when he said, you know, that's why I made made the house into a museum to show them the power that I come from.
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I was like, oh, say it again for me.
00:19:36
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I know that is that was wild.
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Oh, my God.
00:19:40
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That was crazy.
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And it made me... That was my moment.
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That was when I was like, yeah.
00:19:47
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And the fact that he almost had a British accent, which didn't make any sense, but kind of did, because someone said that he maybe had a British accent because he was emulating Gideon.
00:19:55
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And I was like, oh my God.
00:19:57
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Because, you know, he's like... That's so funny.
00:19:59
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Because when people... Because I had not really noticed that.
00:20:02
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Because I'm someone... When I watch a show, like I am watching...
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Because I don't know what it is.
00:20:09
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It's just something about I'm watching for the plot.
00:20:11
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Like I'm not, unless it's like pointed out to me directly, I will not catch it.
00:20:17
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So there'll be times where people will be like, oh, there goes the stunt double.
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And I'll be like, what are you talking about?
00:20:23
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And then, or they'll be like, oh, they just, you know, so-and-so had a weird accent at this one point.
00:20:28
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I'm like, they did?
00:20:29
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I didn't really even pay attention.
00:20:33
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So that's so funny that you say that.
00:20:35
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And see, for me, I notice everything.
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Like I notice now sometimes I'm oblivious, like someone I was friends with at the time.
00:20:42
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They they pointed out to me like their stunt doubles in the day the magic died and like how Paige double is like this huge, like balkan man.
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And then it's funny because they're so cute.
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And then you get, like, these huge hulking men.
Character Comparisons and Relationship Dynamics
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And I always think about the power through blondes, though, because when they go to throw them out, those are clearly, like, larger frames.
00:21:11
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And it is so funny to watch, like, 5'1 Holly Marie Combs suddenly turning into this one tall man being tumbled out of a place.
00:21:24
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And I'm like, okay, okay.
00:21:26
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Yeah, it's like, let's be real.
00:21:29
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That's so funny that you say that because that's one of my favorite episodes.
00:21:33
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But I do remember reading about that because I was one of the episodes because there's sometimes for like shows I will go in and I look at the wikis and go through.
00:21:44
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And I remember reading like through the trivia and then watching it back and being like, oh, yeah, that looks crazy.
00:21:50
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It's kind of like in the same episode when Chris is talking to Piper and Phoebe on the stairs.
00:21:54
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Piper and Phoebe keep switching heights.
00:21:57
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And I think I might have made this up.
00:21:59
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I feel like I remember someone saying that they had like in their contracts that they were going to be the same height or something.
00:22:04
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It was something like, like, I remember, I think, I think either I made that up or they made that up, but it's distracting now.
00:22:11
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Cause when you watch it, it's like,
00:22:13
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At one point, I think Piper is on a step higher than Phoebe.
00:22:16
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So, you know, she's taller than her, but then they switch to behind them and they're the same height.
00:22:20
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Then we go back and like, Phoebe is taller.
00:22:22
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And I'm like, what is happening here?
00:22:23
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Why are we, what's going on?
00:22:25
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And then that's the episode of six foot tall, Jenny McCarthy.
00:22:29
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And she's trying to levitate and she's like, if even that, and it's just, it's hilarious.
00:22:35
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Little things like that are hilarious.
00:22:37
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Yes.
00:22:38
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Oh my God.
00:22:38
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That is so funny.
00:22:39
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What did you think?
00:22:40
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I mean, I guess we'll, we'll keep going and I'll ask you about like what you thought about the show later on, but we'll do two more and then we will move on.
00:22:48
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But would you, let's see, for best husband, would you pick Coop?
00:23:02
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Or Henry.
00:23:03
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I mean, and I'm using both of them only because they were both featured in the last season.
00:23:11
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And I don't know if you read the comics or not.
00:23:13
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I don't know if you've also ventured into that territory.
00:23:17
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So I'd love to hear what you think about those two things.
00:23:21
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I've read some of the comics.
00:23:23
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I'm familiar with them as well, just from hearing the stories about them.
00:23:27
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But I've never read the full set of comics myself.
00:23:31
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Okay.
00:23:32
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But as far as husbands go...
00:23:38
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I'd probably say Henry because I feel like Henry had a completely different outlook than Coop.
00:23:44
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Like he had to accept magic.
00:23:46
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He had to come into it.
00:23:47
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He, he, he chose to be a part of it.
00:23:50
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And there's just something in that that's so beautiful to me.
00:23:53
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So even when Paige tells him, like, it's so, it was so dramatic when she tells him about her magic and she's like lights.
00:24:00
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And then, you know, the lights are going and he's like, what's happening?
00:24:02
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She's like, that's me.
00:24:04
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I'm doing that.
00:24:05
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And he's like, Oh,
00:24:08
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Yeah, he was so cool about it.
00:24:11
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And that's what I loved about Henry was that, I mean, you know, at first, I feel like it takes everyone a minute to kind of get adjusted because it's like a shock.
00:24:20
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Like you don't, this is something you just don't see, you know?
00:24:23
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And so it takes a minute.
00:24:26
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And I feel like...
00:24:29
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that him being able to accept Paige, you know, just for who she was, um, also was an interesting theme because I would also say Glenn in a lot of ways did that too.
00:24:42
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Like he essentially, um, accepted her for who she was.
00:24:47
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And I think that, um,
00:24:50
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Oftentimes between the sisters, they all have had guys, if they weren't demons or warlocks, they had like, you know, guys that were just like, would be like super weirded out if they found out about their powers or did find out about their powers and was like, what the fuck, you know?
00:25:07
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So I kind of, I think it's interesting how Henry's reaction was initially knowing, I mean, and I get it, like it was the last season, but like, you know.
00:25:20
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And I think that everyone else's reaction too was necessary because Henry truly is, I feel like, even in the real world, would be an anomaly.
00:25:31
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Like your average everyday person isn't, I think, going to find out that their girlfriend is a witch and be like, oh yeah, let's go.
00:25:38
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You know, because when I think...
00:25:40
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If that were even to ever happen, I would think of like, I would like, oh, you're like Samantha Stevens and we're going to go fly on Pluto and whatever else.
00:25:48
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Oh, you're like Sabrina.
00:25:49
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We're going to go, you know, to the closet door.
00:25:53
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And, you know, then she's like, no.
00:25:56
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You know, imagine her being like, no, I fight demons and the magic is used to that end.
00:26:04
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And I would be like, okay, well, I'm
00:26:07
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Thank you so much for everything, Julie Noemar, and I'm going to go.
00:26:12
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You know, because that's a lot to commit to.
00:26:15
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That's a lot.
00:26:17
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Yes.
00:26:19
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That is right.
00:26:22
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I also wonder, because he was a detective as well, right?
00:26:28
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Yes.
00:26:29
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And so I think that's interesting.
00:26:31
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Well, I mean, of course, a parallel.
00:26:32
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Almost like, you know, when...
00:26:36
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Prue died, it was like that whatever timeline, I guess her powers or whatever maybe stopped and then like kind of picked up wherever Paige was or whatever, like almost like destiny in a way that mirrored almost each other's by finding a detective, someone that has seen a lot of crazy stuff.
00:27:01
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That's like, okay, I can probably, I can kind of sort of handle this because
00:27:07
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of all the, you know, wild stuff that I see.
00:27:09
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And I think that being in a helping profession where you deal with people, I think that it kind of opens you up a little bit more to being like,
00:27:21
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Yeah, like people are like are different.
00:27:24
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Like it's just that, you know, and things are kind of different sometimes, you know, some people are like that.
00:27:30
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But then, you know, a lot of people aren't.
00:27:33
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And, you know, he like you said, he's just an anomaly of the person and like the helping position that is, you know, not as frightened or scared off in that way.
00:27:50
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Chum, because I don't know why I thought you were going to bring up Andrew Trudeau.
00:27:54
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And I was just going to say I'm glad that he's in the ground because I can't stand Andy.
00:28:01
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And I'm glad.
00:28:02
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I know.
00:28:03
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Why?
00:28:05
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I'm so glad he went into that cabinet.
00:28:07
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Wait, why can't you with Andy?
00:28:10
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So we have been doing a rewatch of Charmed on my Patreon.
00:28:16
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And as we rewatch season one, I just realized Andy is a jerk.
00:28:21
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And he was a jerk to Prue the entire season.
00:28:24
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I think there were of the 22 episodes, there are probably about maybe seven or eight where he's not.
00:28:30
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And the rest of them is just him hating Prue.
00:28:33
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That is a good point.
00:28:35
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And it, like, I can understand why.
00:28:38
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Don't get me wrong.
00:28:39
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Like, I understand why he was mad at her because he felt like she was lying.
00:28:41
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So, you know, there's that.
00:28:43
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But at a certain point, Andy was just, from my perspective, being, I think, just cruel to her.
00:28:50
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Like, even when you think about the witch's back and Prue is stealing the feather and...
00:28:57
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And he is mad.
00:28:58
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I mean, like, he literally wants to wake a judge up in the middle of the night to get Prue arrested for stealing a feather.
00:29:06
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And even Daryl, who does not know Prue, is like, you need to stop.
00:29:11
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Like, you need to calm down.
00:29:13
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You're doing the absolute most.
00:29:14
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I mean, he hears Prue's name and he just, I should have known.
00:29:18
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Oh, yeah.
00:29:19
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You want to tell me anything about it?
00:29:20
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Is there anything you want?
00:29:21
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I mean, he's just like being a jerk to her.
00:29:23
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Just he accuses her of murder several times.
00:29:26
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He just talks to her like but but he never goes full into it.
00:29:30
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So he never is.
00:29:32
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But at one point he's like and I want to say this was in Wicked Envy.
00:29:36
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And he's like, well, what would you think if you were in my position?
00:29:39
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You know, he talks to her like that.
00:29:43
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And then I don't recall what episode it was, but there's an episode where he hears Prue is involved.
00:29:50
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He's hot in a huff, as usual.
00:29:53
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He gets up, he goes to her office, he talks to her like a child, like a dog.
00:30:00
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And then at the end of the discussion, he's just like...
00:30:04
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You know if there's ever anything, if you're ever in trouble, you can talk to me.
00:30:06
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And I was like, whoa, wait, huh?
00:30:08
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What?
00:30:08
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It's like, yeah, I can't even talk.
00:30:10
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You just literally went in on me.
00:30:12
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Like, what?
00:30:13
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And he does that.
00:30:16
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And then they just, I think towards the end of the season, they just switch it up.
00:30:21
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And all of a sudden, he's cool and calm.
00:30:24
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And then he gets a little mad.
00:30:26
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He gets mad because she didn't give him enough time during the truth spell.
00:30:29
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But then it's like, oh, well, by the end of it, he dies trying to protect her.
00:30:33
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And so that's the love of her life.
00:30:35
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And I'm just like, oh,
Critique of Charmed's Themes and Complexity
00:30:36
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okay.
00:30:36
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Yeah.
00:30:38
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Okay, so I do have points that I will, like, try to make.
00:30:44
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And I will not digest it, because, of course, it's not justifiable by any means.
00:30:50
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But I think about it, I think, in the context of, like, the 90s.
00:30:55
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And I think about it in the context of, like, where our thinking was at that time.
00:31:00
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And it's like, oh, yeah, this would not fly today.
00:31:02
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Like, this would, we would be like, oh, absolutely no.
00:31:06
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But I think that, like...
00:31:08
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at least for me, like being a therapist, like it's helped me kind of open my mind a little bit.
00:31:13
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And I'm like, I imagine that under the surface of all of that anger was the fact that he loved her.
00:31:20
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And he was like, I am so like, this is my job.
00:31:27
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Like, this is, you know,
00:31:29
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You know, she were just reconnecting.
00:31:31
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She's, you know, being really mysterious and weird, like her sisters, like she's living with her sisters.
00:31:37
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Like I know her grandma, her mother or grandmother just died and her mom, you know, died and all of these things.
00:31:45
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And so I imagine he probably was like.
00:31:48
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wanting to protect her as best he could.
00:31:50
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Right.
00:31:51
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But also was worried about what could happen to, if not him, what could happen to her, which is why in the end, I see him rushing in to basically try to help because of all the times that she has said no.
00:32:10
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And, you know, to your point of, yeah, like, you know, she...
00:32:14
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he ran at or he did not accept the true spell.
00:32:17
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I think I equate that to just being like, what was that?
00:32:23
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Magical game or whatever.
00:32:26
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Yeah, because I felt like had she just did it, like, and not just had not used really magic to do it.
00:32:36
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Kind of like the way that Phoebe did with the, oh my God, with the, oh my God, the spell.
00:32:41
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I used to love the spells in the first couple seasons, but the smart spell.
00:32:45
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Oh, yeah.
00:32:46
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Yeah.
00:32:46
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Right.
00:32:47
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I love that.
00:32:47
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Yes.
00:32:47
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And how she did pass the aptitude test, but how it ended up saving the day.
00:32:53
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But it was just one of those things that was like, you should not have done this.
00:33:00
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You did it for good reason, but you still probably should not have done that.
00:33:04
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Mm-hmm.
00:33:05
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No, I think you're absolutely right.
00:33:08
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Andy, that whole situation is a little, is very complex.
00:33:11
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I know I said it very.
00:33:12
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It's very complex.
00:33:15
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I think part of the problem with that relationship is not, well, it's not a relationship, but I think part of the problem with their interactions is that the season one, I feel like.
00:33:26
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worked a little too hard to gaslight Prue and they used Andy.
00:33:30
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Yes.
00:33:31
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Yes.
00:33:32
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Yes.
00:33:33
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They worked very hard to have Prue be correct about something and also tell us shouldn't be correct about it.
00:33:41
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And, you know, sisters would argue her down about the craziest things.
00:33:46
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And,
00:33:47
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And it was all in the effort to reaffirm to us that she's the oldest sister and they don't need that anymore.
00:33:54
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So you get a situation like Aviva where Aviva is a young witch who is coming in here, you know, popping popcorn and melting video tape and, you know, demanding that they be, that they be friends with her and talk to her.
00:34:10
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And then Pruitt can't trust her.
00:34:12
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And Phoebe and Piper are like, you need to stop being so hard on her.
00:34:16
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And I'm like, I,
00:34:18
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And then she ended up being right.
00:34:20
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Yeah.
00:34:21
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Right.
00:34:22
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In the end, like that was the, that was, and that's funny.
00:34:24
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Cause that's actually one of my favorite episodes too, only because of that reason.
00:34:29
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Like it was the fact that in the end, true, uh, Prue trusted her instinct and she was able to, um, see like, you know, to be like, okay, what is going on here?
00:34:42
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Like this random person just shows up.
00:34:44
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We just became witches.
00:34:46
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Like what the fuck is happening?
00:34:48
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Mm-hmm.
00:34:49
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And they had no reason to trust her, but they just wanted to.
00:34:51
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And I feel like a lot of that was plot convenience, but they do the same thing with Clay.
00:34:56
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You know, we know why Clay is there.
00:34:58
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We know what brought Clay there.
00:35:00
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We know what the circumstances were that made Clay look Phoebe up.
00:35:06
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But then you also have Phoebe going, you don't even know him.
00:35:10
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And Clay would never.
00:35:11
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And Clay this and Clay that.
00:35:12
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And it's like...
00:35:14
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girl, you know, and it's like girl.
00:35:16
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Yeah.
00:35:18
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Let's be serious.
00:35:20
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In an episode.
00:35:21
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Don't get me wrong.
00:35:22
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I'm not saying there, you know, Oh, there shouldn't have been any conflict.
00:35:25
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I just think that the way that they would set it up so many times would be at proves, you know, sort of, I don't know what word I'm looking for, you know, Oh Lord at her expense.
00:35:38
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And
00:35:39
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And Andy, unfortunately, was part of that where I feel like he was supposed to be the one that was like...
00:35:46
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humbling her in a way.
00:35:48
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I think that was the way that the story tried to approach it was like, Oh yeah, Prue's going to lie, but can she lie to Andy?
00:35:55
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You know, Andy's going to call her out on it.
00:35:57
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And it, it was, it just felt unnecessary at times.
00:36:00
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It made Andy come off as very mean.
00:36:03
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Um, and having him act that way, because I do agree that he was mad because he loved her and he wanted her to tell her, tell him the truth.
00:36:12
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Um,
00:36:12
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um i just feel like having him act the way he did towards her sometimes it got into very like oh that little boy hit you because he like you likes you you know right yeah yeah and that's why i think i attribute that part of it to being like the 90s because i remember growing up and that being like the thing that you would hear was like yeah and it was like oh that's just normal and it's like that's not normal
00:36:41
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that's actually abuse um all right and then the last one is we're going to do is a funny one um but zanku or the source oh which source the source source or i was thinking that's true because i was thinking the source source because we did cole
00:37:08
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The source was sad.
00:37:09
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You would be fun.
00:37:11
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Okay, so like, I don't know what, I don't know how far you, if what's appropriate to say.
00:37:18
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Say what you feel.
00:37:21
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So Zanku is giving top, or at least verse.
00:37:24
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I feel like Zanku is verse.
00:37:26
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Like he is open to whatever.
00:37:29
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However, the source is giving me very...
00:37:35
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I'm verse, but really we're verse bottom, you know, and there's nothing wrong with that.
00:37:40
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Okay.
00:37:41
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That is true.
00:37:43
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The reason I bring that up is because both of them will be such a fun time for me in the way that they act.
00:37:49
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And I just feel like, I feel like Zankou would just like from the rooter to the tooter.
00:37:54
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And then I feel like the source would be the one that we, we would have to get creative.
00:37:58
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We would have to figure it out.
00:38:02
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He'd be down for that.
00:38:03
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Because, baby, listen.
00:38:06
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The way he would read people sometimes.
00:38:09
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Ooh, that's... I'm going to go with Zankou.
00:38:13
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I wish he would have said the Kazi demon because I would literally choose the Kazi demon.
00:38:17
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Oh my god, yes!
00:38:19
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Oh my god, he was... Ooh, he was fine.
00:38:23
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Zankou, for me, I just feel like...
00:38:29
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It was something about the way in which he really had them on their heads.
00:38:33
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Oh, yeah.
00:38:33
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And he was fine.
00:38:35
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Like, the actor... God, I can't remember his name.
00:38:39
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I'm so terrible at names.
00:38:41
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Say it again?
00:38:42
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Odeid Furr.
00:38:45
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Okay.
00:38:49
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I feel like he was just very... I don't know.
00:38:51
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I feel like he was just very good at the role.
00:38:54
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I feel like he was just...
00:38:56
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It was the way he was able to command the.
00:39:03
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His army, just like he it was almost like they, you know, he was had he not been, you know, I guess overzealous or whatever.
00:39:13
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I mean, he could have really gotten them.
00:39:16
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Oh, yeah, absolutely.
00:39:17
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I mean, he really did, truly.
00:39:18
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Well, yeah.
00:39:19
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Because they had to get to the most...
00:39:29
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just, I don't even know what, like he had them so on the ropes that they're like, yeah, we're going to let him take the hollow in and then vanquish the hollow.
00:39:34
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I mean, not the hollow Jesus, but the Nexus.
00:39:36
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And I'm like, is that a smart plan to let him get the Nexus and then try to vanquish him?
00:39:42
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Let's, you know, like maybe we should, we should try one step before the other, you know, if we try to take him and it doesn't work, then okay, fine.
00:39:51
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But let's, let's, let's get where we need to be first and then we'll.
00:39:57
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Yes.
00:39:58
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I was going to ask, who have you met all in total when you've gone to conventions?
00:40:06
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That's a great question.
00:40:08
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So I had the pleasure of meeting Shannon last year.
00:40:12
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I met her last time.
00:40:15
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I know.
00:40:16
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My heart.
00:40:17
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I was depressed the next day.
00:40:20
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Yes.
00:40:21
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I didn't know what to... I thought... I didn't quite know what to do with myself because having a parasocial relationship with someone is very difficult because you never know quite how far to go in mourning them or feeling for them because you've never... You don't know them.
00:40:40
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But you...
00:40:43
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You have very deep emotions because you've seen them every day for 20 years.
00:40:49
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And, you know, for me, the first episode of Charmed that I ever watched was Charmed Again, part one.
00:40:55
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It was actually Prue's funeral.
00:40:57
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And so when I was introduced to Prue, it was after the fact.
00:41:03
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And I have such a deep love and appreciation for that character and for the way that Shannon brought her to life.
00:41:12
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And losing that felt genuinely like somebody I knew was gone.
00:41:22
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But I've met all four of the sisters.
00:41:25
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I met all four of them.
00:41:26
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Okay.
00:41:26
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Okay.
00:41:27
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And recently I went to Florida for a 90s con, and by recently I mean last weekend, and I had an amazing opportunity to meet Brian and Dorian and Jenna Rhodes, who plays Graham's.
Impact of Charmed and Personal Reflections
00:41:44
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um yes oh i was oh my god when i met her i did the i did a graham's impression for her and she said that it was really good she said she said that was spot on that was really good i don't remember saying it but that was really good and i was like oh my god i just did isn't that crazy when like a celebrity says something like i don't even remember saying that because they i guess shoot out of order or whatever
00:42:11
Speaker
And it was 20 years ago.
00:42:13
Speaker
So it was over 20.
00:42:14
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That too.
00:42:14
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Well, that too.
00:42:16
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But of course.
00:42:16
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But it's like, I think because in my brain, I'm like, so we all watched this show.
00:42:22
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Like I've watched Charm like so many times.
00:42:26
Speaker
I imagine you've watched it like millions of times.
00:42:28
Speaker
Yeah.
00:42:30
Speaker
And I've just, I can't imagine like, and I guess I kind of sort of maybe get it because I
00:42:38
Speaker
when I do the podcast, for example, like I don't really remember the stuff that I said.
00:42:42
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I remember like some of the stuff I might've talked about, but when people quote things back to me, I'm like, Oh, I forgot I said that.
00:42:49
Speaker
Um, so I guess I kind of get it in that regard, but it's almost like I could not imagine creating a show that is just so interesting, um, that we're talking about it years later and to have not seen it more than once.
00:43:08
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Yeah.
00:43:09
Speaker
We were on like that is I just can't imagine what that feels like or what that is like to just say, like, I don't really remember that because I. And then I think, too, if I think it kind of depends sometimes on like what the line is.
00:43:23
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So, you know, of course, we're going to remember our blessed bees and, you know, things like that.
00:43:28
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But then when you get into like the specific lines, it's like, oh, I don't know.
00:43:33
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you know, um, right.
00:43:35
Speaker
Cause the one that I did for her was from charmed again, because I just love that whole scene.
00:43:41
Speaker
It was so, so I'm very extra.
00:43:44
Speaker
And so I love extra things.
00:43:47
Speaker
And so like this vision of, of Patty and Graham standing there and they both have different haircuts from the last time that we saw them.
00:43:54
Speaker
And, um,
00:43:55
Speaker
They're both just telling the story in tandem.
00:43:58
Speaker
And then Patty kind of catches Graham's off guard.
00:44:01
Speaker
It's just hilarious.
00:44:02
Speaker
You know, and, you know, Fanola, who plays Patty, has a British accent naturally.
00:44:08
Speaker
And so when she was speaking, she says some words like you can tell she's kind of trying to pronounce.
00:44:11
Speaker
And she's like, when some and I and like people laugh when I say some.
00:44:16
Speaker
But I was like, she didn't say some specifically, but.
00:44:20
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She was like when Sam, you know, like she was kind of trying to say it like, okay, can you say some, you know, the way I would say it in my natural tongue.
00:44:28
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So.
00:44:30
Speaker
Right.
00:44:31
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Right.
00:44:32
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Um, that's like, I honestly, that's amazing.
00:44:36
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Uh, that honestly, like you've been able to do that and, um, be able to meet all four sisters because I've only met Holly Marie Combs and I've met her once, um,
00:44:51
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Oh God.
00:44:52
Speaker
I must've been at Comic-Con here.
00:44:53
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I think here in Philly one time.
00:44:56
Speaker
And it was, I'm always like weird.
00:45:00
Speaker
Or I used to, well, I used to be weird when I would meet people.
00:45:03
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I think I've grown into myself now.
00:45:06
Speaker
But I always feel like, I always felt like, oh my God, I know I don't like deserve to be in the same room as you.
00:45:11
Speaker
Like I can't believe I'm like meeting you and you're talking to me and I'm trying to like come up with conversation and like all of these things.
00:45:17
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And I'm like,
00:45:19
Speaker
Now if I met her, I'd probably just be like, what's up?
00:45:24
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What's good?
00:45:26
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Yeah, like, what's good?
00:45:27
Speaker
You know, meeting them was such an amazing opportunity for me because I almost didn't go.
00:45:33
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I met Holly alone last July, I want to say, last July.
00:45:41
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And then I went to, so I went to Knoxville to see her last year.
00:45:47
Speaker
And then last October, on the 25th anniversary of Charmed No Less, I
00:45:52
Speaker
I saw Holly, Shannon, and Rose in San Antonio.
00:45:57
Speaker
And then a couple of weeks later in Dallas, I saw Alyssa or met her.
00:46:03
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I almost didn't go to Knoxville because I do have arthritis.
00:46:10
Speaker
And so because I suffered from chronic pain, I was like, I don't think I can do this.
00:46:15
Speaker
It's not going to be...
00:46:16
Speaker
you know, it's not gonna be comfortable.
00:46:18
Speaker
I don't need to be trying to go there.
00:46:20
Speaker
And I made myself go and I'm so proud I did.
00:46:22
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And then when I heard they would be in San Antonio, I was like,
00:46:26
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That's Texas.
00:46:27
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That's right next door.
00:46:28
Speaker
I can do that.
00:46:29
Speaker
And I made myself go.
00:46:32
Speaker
And those experiences, I think, have been some of the best of my life, not just with the people that I met, but knowing that I can take limitations off of myself to a certain extent.
00:46:44
Speaker
You do have to plan a little bit better.
00:46:47
Speaker
You have to be a little bit more precise and intentional when you have conversations.
00:46:51
Speaker
issues with your health.
00:46:53
Speaker
But when I went to Florida this past weekend, that was my first time on a plane.
00:46:59
Speaker
And it was something that for years, I'm 33 and I never thought I would do.
00:47:05
Speaker
So I was, I had made up in my mind, like I'll never be on a plane.
00:47:07
Speaker
That's too much.
00:47:08
Speaker
It's too, you know, I'm going to have a panic attack.
00:47:10
Speaker
And what if I do have a panic attack up there?
00:47:13
Speaker
What are they going to be able to do?
00:47:16
Speaker
And when I got on the plane, it was just, I mean, it was like this experience that now I'm kind of like craving being on a plane because it's not so much just that, but it's like,
00:47:27
Speaker
you know, in such a short amount of time, I can be in another state.
00:47:32
Speaker
I can be in another place that I thought previously was unaccessible to me because, oh, I'd have to drive and then I have to worry about this and I have to worry about that and blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:47:42
Speaker
But knowing that you can, knowing that I can go,
00:47:48
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And knowing that I'll just have to plan it out, but that it's accessible has, I mean, completely, I think, changed my outlook on life and proven to myself that I can do
Comparative Analysis with Buffy
00:47:58
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it.
00:47:58
Speaker
So that's why Charmed means so much more to me than just the show, because I feel like the show itself has given me the chance to really find myself.
00:48:10
Speaker
right yeah no that's a really i love hearing that honestly like that i feel like that's a really strong you know kind of like argument too as to why you feel like really connected to it as well because it's it's almost like it helped unlock this part of you that get you know allowed you to live your life yes yes yeah that's really cool
00:48:37
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Thank you.
00:48:37
Speaker
Thank you.
00:48:37
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Thank you.
00:48:41
Speaker
Let's switch gears a little bit.
00:48:44
Speaker
And let's talk a little bit about Charmed and some of the representation in Charmed.
00:48:56
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So, you know, it was, you know, one of the defining shows of the 90s alongside Buffy.
00:49:02
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Like, I love Buffy so much.
00:49:03
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Oh, my God.
00:49:04
Speaker
I love that show so much.
00:49:05
Speaker
Me too.
00:49:06
Speaker
Oh my God, that show.
00:49:07
Speaker
I need to do an episode on that one.
00:49:10
Speaker
I actually want to write a course on Buffy, if that, you know, because I feel like there's a lot you can learn from it and the ways in which...
00:49:22
Speaker
there's something appealing about it.
00:49:23
Speaker
And then for Buffy to turn out to be working as a counselor in a school, I'm like, oh my God, that's like literally, literally me.
00:49:31
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Like I literally feel like I am, I am this character.
00:49:35
Speaker
So I really want to do one on Buffy, but next to Buffy.
00:49:40
Speaker
Okay.
00:49:40
Speaker
No, go ahead.
00:49:41
Speaker
I'm sorry.
00:49:42
Speaker
I'm sorry.
00:49:42
Speaker
No, no, no.
00:49:43
Speaker
Go ahead.
00:49:43
Speaker
Go ahead.
00:49:44
Speaker
No, I was just going to say that's why season six of Buffy is one of my favorites.
00:49:49
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You get it.
00:49:53
Speaker
People hate that season.
00:49:54
Speaker
And I understand why, because I know that season is dark.
00:49:59
Speaker
I know it doesn't feel like it has as much as some of the other seasons do.
00:50:03
Speaker
But I think that that season is so important in the grand scheme of understanding what this show is, because...
00:50:14
Speaker
They go through regular things.
00:50:16
Speaker
I was so happy to see that, yeah, they go through stuff in their life, but really focusing on them as people and the dysfunction and how it can affect you and how you can drown.
00:50:29
Speaker
And I think that that's why it's so uncomfortable to watch for so many people.
00:50:33
Speaker
Is it you see Buffy drowning and you see her like begging for help and not realizing that's what she's doing.
00:50:43
Speaker
And she's just I mean, you see her fall apart.
00:50:46
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And the same that she has with Tara where she's like, what's wrong with me?
00:50:53
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Like that season, it has its flaws.
00:50:56
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Don't get me wrong, but every show has its flaws at some point.
00:51:00
Speaker
But that particular season to me is so special because they don't know what they're doing.
00:51:06
Speaker
And I think that it's very important to remember that they are what at this point, like...
00:51:13
Speaker
20, 21, like they're very young and look at what they've experienced in that amount of time.
00:51:21
Speaker
Look at, you know, what Buffy specifically has experienced.
00:51:25
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And that season to me is such an important one, especially coming onto the seat of the, coming onto UPN after being on the WB.
00:51:35
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It's like,
00:51:36
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she's in a new phase, not just of the show, but Buffy herself is in a new phase.
00:51:42
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Like my girl, you know, he's been in a coffin for some months.
00:51:46
Speaker
Yeah.
00:51:47
Speaker
Isn't that interesting though, when TV shows that tends to happen is like the, I don't know if it's always intentional in that way, but in this particular instance, it's like the show moving to a new network, almost like changed,
00:52:06
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the way in which the narrative was written up until that point, because, you know, I mean, Glory had Buffy on her head.
00:52:15
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Like she literally was like, that was the first time I've ever, I, I was like, whoa, like Buffy really can't beat this.
00:52:25
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Like, and I don't know what, like I was stressed out for her.
00:52:30
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Yes.
00:52:31
Speaker
And Glory is the first time that I think we see a villain who...
00:52:37
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not just feels like Buffy can't beat her, but we genuinely do.
00:52:42
Speaker
We see that there is no competition.
00:52:44
Speaker
And she's pretty much playing with Buffy at certain points.
00:52:50
Speaker
Like watching a baby play with their food, really.
00:52:54
Speaker
I mean, we get that understanding that Glory could, if she wanted to, I think she's the first.
00:53:02
Speaker
If she wanted to.
00:53:03
Speaker
I think I'm not gonna say the first one on the show.
00:53:07
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I'm going to say the first one that we sit, take seriously that if she wanted to, she could snap Buffy's neck without ever even thinking about it.
00:53:15
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And she's just choosing not to.
00:53:20
Speaker
And it's weird because it's like, what is the reason?
00:53:22
Speaker
And I mean, they keep, and I think that's kind of the writing flow a little bit there too, but like the reasoning being about the key and her not really caring as much and this, that, and the other, because I'm like, all right, if you're willing to break Tara's hand and then, you know, drain her mind, I'm like, okay, so you are willing to like go through her friends one by one, but you're just not willing to like take her out and you could take her out.
00:53:50
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Well, and I think that's kind of the part that makes her the most frightening is that she doesn't kill them.
00:53:57
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She doesn't kill her friends.
00:53:59
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She maims one.
00:54:01
Speaker
And then she takes her son.
00:54:02
Speaker
And when Willow goes to do her little thing, she's like, what's that?
00:54:06
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A bag of tricks?
00:54:07
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And she's like, a bag of knives.
00:54:09
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And Glory's like, girl, anyway.
00:54:11
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You know, but she's like, oh, child girl.
00:54:13
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I think Lori has an innate understanding of humans that I could kill her.
00:54:18
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Sure.
00:54:18
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But number one, I'm not going to get what I need because then I'm not ever going to know where the key is.
00:54:24
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And number two, now I've wasted this opportunity.
00:54:28
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So instead she taunts her because she knows that she's going to push her to a certain, to a, you know, to a breaking point.
00:54:35
Speaker
And then eventually she,
00:54:38
Speaker
she gets what she wants because she now has this, this person in Buffy's inner circle that can reveal who and what the key is.
00:54:48
Speaker
So that's a good point.
00:54:51
Speaker
And I think that that just goes to show that Glory is not, she's insane, but she's not crazy.
00:54:57
Speaker
Like she knows how to control herself.
00:55:00
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It's kind of like the, the scene, one of my favorite scenes when Buffy gets so, she had Buffy so scared when she showed up in the house, when Glory showed up in the house and Buffy's looking at Dawn, like get away.
00:55:10
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And she's like, girl, anyway, I see you late, you late, you late.
00:55:14
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Right.
00:55:14
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It's not even like an issue.
00:55:16
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Right.
00:55:17
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Because, you know, Buffy is so used to being in control of the situation in some shape, form or fashion, whereas Glory is like, OK, girl, anyway, you know, I love a villain who has that.
00:55:31
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I could do it, but I'm choosing not to because I still have this end that I have to accomplish.
00:55:36
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And I think that's what, for somebody like Buffy, because one of my favorite things about her, Buffy doesn't use magic.
00:55:42
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Buffy doesn't cast spells.
00:55:43
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Buffy doesn't have this repertoire of things that she can do.
00:55:47
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And, oh, she can, she is a slayer, but she's also very powerful in magic.
00:55:51
Speaker
And she can do the...
00:55:52
Speaker
if Buffy can't hit it, then she doesn't, after that, my hands are tied, you know?
00:55:57
Speaker
And I love that Buffy is a natural strategist.
00:56:02
Speaker
And then she's going up against someone that is also a natural strategist, but then who also has more strength than her.
00:56:10
Speaker
So now it comes to how can she outwit her?
00:56:13
Speaker
How can she escape her?
00:56:15
Speaker
And I think that's why we watch Buffy get tired, right?
00:56:19
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For the first time.
00:56:21
Speaker
Because she doesn't... This is probably the first villain she's gone up against that she can't hit or kick her way out of this.
00:56:30
Speaker
And... And I also think, I just want to just say really quickly, too, is I think that once the portal opened up, she's like, all right, well, I already done lost.
00:56:39
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Yes.
00:56:40
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Absolutely.
00:56:42
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Absolutely.
00:56:42
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Yeah.
00:56:43
Speaker
Mm-hmm.
00:56:44
Speaker
She sees it and it's like...
00:56:46
Speaker
Oh, well, hey, might as well.
00:56:47
Speaker
And I think that's why it's so important for her to hear that death was her gift and misinterpreted that she took it literally.
00:56:59
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But when she realized what that meant, the peace, I will never, like I get shivers and goosebumps thinking about the peace that came over her face when she realized what that meant.
00:57:13
Speaker
And I think that goes.
00:57:15
Speaker
I'm getting chills right now.
00:57:17
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Yes.
00:57:18
Speaker
And like the way she looked at Dawn and, you know, how she just a moment ago was so frantic and frenzied and just, you know, like, like she couldn't quite get herself because she was trying to save her sister.
00:57:29
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And then when she realized this is how I'm going to save her, but this is also how I'm going to save the world.
00:57:33
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And it's going to be over.
00:57:37
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There is something so.
00:57:42
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it's like a tragedy.
00:57:43
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It's like watching a tragedy.
00:57:45
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And it's like, it's burned in my mind the way that she looks at Dawn before she jumps.
00:57:54
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Because, and then I've heard people say other things, but the way I interpret that moment is like, like she was trying to take
00:58:03
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Like she was she was looking at Don and, you know, Sarah has those big, beautiful eyes and like you just see them darting from place to place and going every which way.
00:58:11
Speaker
And it's like she was just trying to take in Don's face one last time.
00:58:15
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And she wanted to keep that with her wherever she went, wherever, you know, whatever was waiting for her on the other side of the portal.
00:58:21
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She just wanted to look at her and keep this face with her, knowing that she's going to be safe.
00:58:27
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Yeah.
00:58:28
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And even though there were dragons that had already gotten out of the portal, but let's need to hear noise out there.
00:58:34
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I guess the dragons just disappeared.
00:58:36
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The dragons just went home.
00:58:37
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I was thinking about that too.
00:58:38
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I was like, um...
00:58:42
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Yeah.
00:58:42
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Okay.
00:58:43
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Before the clothes that my girl was like, yeah, well, they'll be okay.
00:58:48
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I guess because I did read the comics.
00:58:51
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So I'm like, okay, well maybe, well, I didn't read the whole, like kind of like you, I didn't read the entire thing, but like, I'm like, okay, Dawn turned into a giant, um, from a spell and, you know, it's all the stuff that they couldn't really do on TV because of money or whatever.
00:59:05
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But, um, yeah.
00:59:08
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I'm like, okay, so is there just a dragon on Earth just chilling?
00:59:15
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There's just dragons flying around California and people are like, is it a dragon?
00:59:20
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They're like, no.
00:59:21
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If it is, it probably came from Sunnydale.
00:59:23
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I could feel somebody just being Sunnydale.
00:59:26
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Or they're like, oh, it's like Los Angeles.
00:59:30
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Oh, it's just probably they're filming.
00:59:33
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No one really bet an eye.
00:59:35
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Yeah.
00:59:35
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Like they'd just be like, oh, well, whatever.
00:59:38
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It's cool.
00:59:40
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But that's the thing about the comics for me and the Charmed comics as well.
00:59:45
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When you have the budget to do things or you don't have to worry about a budget to do things.
00:59:49
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Yeah.
00:59:52
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It's like, why is the source a golem?
00:59:54
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You know?
00:59:55
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Like, why is Buffy flying?
00:59:59
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What is happening?
01:00:01
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So for me, I'm going to get into the comics one day.
01:00:06
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I just haven't been able to, I think, kind of make myself.
Representation in Media and Personal Experiences
01:00:11
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Yeah.
01:00:12
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I have started reading charm novels.
01:00:14
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My old age.
01:00:17
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I've started reading the charm novels, and this one is called Demon Doppelgangers.
01:00:22
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I don't know why when this was just the one that was closest to me, but I've kind of gotten to a weird place where I've started to collect them because after Shannon passed, I don't remember what prompted me to buy the power of three, the very first charm novel, but I bought it.
01:00:38
Speaker
And I think I'm like number 17 now.
01:00:43
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Like I've been finding good deals for them.
01:00:44
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So I'm just like, Oh yeah, I think I'll buy that one.
01:00:46
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And then, then here we are.
01:00:48
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Okay.
01:00:51
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I guess speaking of these shows, too, like, how do you feel with I mean, again, I have to preface this as saying, like, this was in the 90s when, like, these shows were out.
01:01:04
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And I think of, like, Sabrina the Teenage Witch and, like.
01:01:08
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you know other shows that were like supernatural or you know had some kind of like magical element to it but like we didn't really see ourselves in those shows like we didn't see like the heavy heavier black queer men like we didn't see that right how do you feel about like I guess that now the lack of like black and or queer characters on on these shows
01:01:38
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Um, it's, it's kind of sad because it feels like we didn't, we, we won't sell is why we weren't there.
01:01:47
Speaker
And so that makes me a little bit sad, um, that I feel like we didn't get that opportunity seeing ourselves growing up because we just, um,
01:01:56
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weren't profitable.
01:01:59
Speaker
But that's why I'm so proud now that I'm able to be a part of creating a space where we can feel somewhat seen as much as we can anywho.
01:02:11
Speaker
And I'm glad to see like, you know, the magic space start to open up more to Black people.
01:02:17
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people in general, because, you know, so many of us, I mean, my God, sometimes I still pretend that I can levitate.
01:02:24
Speaker
I don't know why.
01:02:25
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Every now and again, I used to work so badly.
01:02:28
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Levitation, premonition, and I wanted to be a dark lighter.
01:02:32
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Those were, those are the ones that I always went to because I don't know why, but I always felt very connected to like premonition and levitation.
01:02:40
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Um, and so for me, not seeing us and myself on the screen, it made me feel like, well, one day I will.
01:02:53
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One day I have to, because it can't just, everyone can't look the same because typically when you would see a black person, it would be like, oh my God, sweet, merciful God.
01:03:04
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I think about Dreamer on Sabrina the Teenage Witch.
01:03:07
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Um,
01:03:08
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And I think about how incompetent she was and bless her heart.
01:03:12
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She was so sweet, but I think about how she didn't know what she was doing.
01:03:16
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She didn't know what was going on and everything was like an, Oh no.
01:03:19
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And then you got to have like everyone else come and save her and fix what she did and whatever else.
01:03:24
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And then you have, you know, Harvey, who's the love interest.
01:03:26
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And, but then you have the other person of color, who's the witch hunter.
01:03:31
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And it's like, okay.
01:03:33
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Yeah.
01:03:34
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It's like, um, all right.
01:03:37
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Yeah, you know, they did that too in the vampire diaries basically with Bonnie like it was literally like that too.
01:03:44
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See, I never watched The Vampire Diaries.
01:03:46
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I've heard a lot about Bonnie.
01:03:47
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I have heard that I would love Bonnie.
01:03:49
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I am not the most gung-ho to watch it because I know they send her to Africa in the end.
01:03:56
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And so I'm not super open to watching it, but I will one day probably.
01:04:03
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Just to say I do.
01:04:04
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Oh my gosh, you're like reigniting my...
01:04:09
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rage of like my, it was like, I got into the vampire diaries in my early, but no, when I was in high school, oh my God.
01:04:16
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Yeah.
01:04:16
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When I was in high school, cause it was like maybe like the last senior year or something that it was, or junior year or whatever that it came out.
01:04:25
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And I was watching it into college and I literally would be like running
01:04:31
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Like home from the class, like to try to watch this show live, because it was back when social media was like actually fun.
01:04:39
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And you could get on social media and be like watching TV because we would all watch TV together and just live, you know, tweet about the show or whatever.
01:04:47
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So I would just like literally like be running back to my dorm, like trying to watch the show.
01:04:53
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um knowing that like all right i also need to get ready because we're getting ready to go out and you know drink because it's like thirsty thursday and i used to like really equate like thursdays to the vampire diaries and like thursdays became like one of my favorite days of the week and then like just to have the show ruined with bonnie um
01:05:16
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being dead and then Elena being alive.
01:05:18
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I'm like, what the fuck?
01:05:19
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Like... I had a friend.
01:05:22
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Yeah, like, it just was... Yeah.
01:05:25
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I had a friend and he loved that show.
01:05:26
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Like, he loved it.
01:05:28
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And he would tell me all the time just, like, how they did Bonnie and it would just be a lot of discussion.
01:05:35
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I'm like, oh my God.
01:05:36
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I was like, y'all, I do not want to watch this show because they... If they gonna cut up like that.
01:05:41
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But I think that's what...
01:05:43
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I think that's unfortunately the way that we function in a lot of these shows.
01:05:49
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I think about Kendra on Buffy.
01:05:53
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And I have a place in my mind for her as a character, but it's just sad that, you know, she got snuffed out and then she's replaced by another white woman.
01:06:04
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And that's Buffy's equal.
01:06:06
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You know, the white woman is more Buffy's equal.
01:06:08
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And then she goes crazy.
01:06:13
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And so she literally can't even be Buffy's actual equal.
01:06:16
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She's more her foil.
01:06:18
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And it's like, you know, we just don't have space because I think they don't know what to do with us.
01:06:25
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And I think that's why there's times where
01:06:30
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Like when I tell people I'm from Louisiana and they're like, oh, they got that voodoo down there.
01:06:33
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And I'm like, baby, we come on, let's be serious.
01:06:36
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You know, there's more.
01:06:36
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There's like way more.
01:06:37
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Yeah.
01:06:38
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And I love American Horror Story Covenant.
01:06:40
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I absolutely love that season.
01:06:43
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Me too.
01:06:44
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And I love how there's nuance to what voodoo is.
01:06:49
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Like, am I saying I'm not a voodoo practitioner, so I can't speak and say like, oh, they handled it perfectly.
01:06:55
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I don't know.
01:06:56
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But I do like the way that they tried, you know.
01:07:00
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Well, listen, here's what I'm going to say, because I read some stuff on the wiki and did some research and things like that.
01:07:07
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And apparently a lot of the stuff they did was based in real things and like a lot of weird stuff happened on set.
01:07:15
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So.
Content Creation Challenges and Personal Growth
01:07:16
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Ooh.
01:07:18
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I'm like, oh, and I've heard this thing about people saying they'll mute their TVs when certain TV shows are on because the spells are real or whatever, which is also very interesting.
01:07:30
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And I'm also kind of sort of interested in what that's all about.
01:07:36
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Yeah.
01:07:38
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I will say that watch the chilling adventures of Sabrina.
01:07:42
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I don't know.
01:07:43
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It's a little, the chilling of adventures of Sabrina is a little too dark sided for me.
01:07:47
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And I did not care for apocalypse.
01:07:50
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Um, AHS apocalypse.
01:07:53
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There was too much going on.
01:07:55
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There was, there was too much happening.
01:07:57
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And I was like, no, no, I'm going to, it was the ending of apocalypse that really sent me over the edge.
01:08:05
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Oh my God.
01:08:06
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Like that one was a, that one was a hard one too, because it was like, it was going one way.
01:08:12
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And then all of a sudden they brought everyone back to life just to kill them.
01:08:14
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And I was like, you know what?
01:08:16
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Fuck you, Ryan Murphy.
01:08:17
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Like.
01:08:17
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They did all of that.
01:08:19
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And then they were like, nah, nevermind.
01:08:21
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No, never mind.
01:08:22
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But no, Coven was really good.
01:08:24
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Coven was really good.
01:08:26
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No, I was just going to say, Mallory is a... I have a lot of feelings about Mallory and her place as Cordelia's replacement and what that means for Cordelia.
01:08:42
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And I don't want to say I'm not a Cordelia fan.
01:08:47
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I'm going to say that Cordelia is...
01:08:51
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You know what's interesting about this discussion?
01:08:54
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Is that I just started talking about Cordelia and Mallory instead of Queenie.
01:09:03
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And I think that that's part of the issue.
01:09:07
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Is that the other characters, and they're kind of like token Black, you know, character characters.
01:09:16
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It doesn't come to your mind first unless you're being intentional about it.
01:09:21
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And just getting back on track a little bit for myself and just kind of realizing that is I love the fact that Queenie says she grew up on, you know, like that white people stuff, you know, like charmed.
01:09:34
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And it was so interesting watching that scene because I'm thinking like, oh, girl, not you reading me, you know, but...
01:09:42
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Right.
01:09:43
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Exactly.
01:09:44
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And I think that was a good statement for her to make because it's like, yes, it was her representation of witches.
01:09:51
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That was what magic was to her.
01:09:53
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And then to be introduced to this world of what magic actually was and then what her specific power was, which the fact that they made her a voodoo doll, I was like, okay, okay.
01:10:03
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Yeah, that's a little.
01:10:06
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All right.
01:10:07
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The black lady has to be the voodoo.
01:10:09
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OK.
01:10:10
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All right.
01:10:11
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Right.
01:10:12
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But I love, though, that she had to go on her own path of where she fit in.
01:10:20
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And I think that that's what's happened kind of with the Charmed community in the past couple of years is as people like me have started to make people who look like me have started to make more Charmed content.
01:10:32
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We've all been on this journey of figuring out like, oh, so where do we fit in this fandom?
01:10:36
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Where do we fit in?
01:10:37
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And so we've made our own mark in our own pocket of content.
01:10:42
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Of the fandom where we can talk and we can make jokes in a way that we can understand, but that's also universal.
01:10:49
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So it's something that everyone can laugh at, but it's something that we know why it may be more specifically funny.
01:10:57
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And I've really enjoyed that.
01:11:01
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it is, you know, sometimes, unfortunately, you get that pushback from people.
01:11:07
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I remember I had someone who, this was when I first, first was making kind of charmed content and they were like, why does it have to be about race?
01:11:15
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Why does it, because I was bringing up the fact that, you know, there were only a few black witches on the show and they usually ended up dead.
01:11:21
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And someone was like, well, you know, we had a whole, we had a whole black charmed and you guys just didn't watch it.
01:11:29
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that just opens the door to a whole other conversation.
01:11:31
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Yeah.
01:11:33
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About liking things for the sake of liking it.
01:11:37
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And I think that, well, I don't know if you want to get into my thoughts on the reboot, but.
01:11:45
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Go ahead.
01:11:47
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No, go right on ahead.
01:11:49
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I think that with the reboot, I do think that it had a good idea for what it wanted to do.
01:11:58
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And I think that it had a lot of good stories in it.
01:12:01
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I think that the problem is that they did all those good stories at once.
01:12:04
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And so you watch even more in it, it's chaotic because there's so much happening.
01:12:10
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There's about four different storylines, minimum going on at once.
01:12:14
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And you've got, you know,
01:12:16
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Maggie and Parker and then you've got Macy being the long-global sister and then who killed the mom and then you've got Mel in the Sarkana and then you've got like you've got so much happening and then you've got the source and then you've got Fiona and then you've you know you have all these different pieces that
01:12:37
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I can see where they're trying to put them together, but they should have been put together over the course of seasons.
01:12:43
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And so, you know, when people say like, oh, well, we had a black charmed and y'all just didn't like it.
01:12:49
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I think that's such a blanket statement.
01:12:51
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And that's a way to try and make people feel bad for not liking something when it's OK to acknowledge that the show is not good.
01:13:01
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but that you love part of it because I love OG charm.
01:13:05
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And there are episodes that I will absolutely demolish.
01:13:08
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There are scenes I will demolish.
01:13:10
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There are aspects of the story that I will absolutely demolish.
01:13:14
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But that's because I have a deep love and appreciation for it.
01:13:18
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And it's the same for the reboot, where even though I didn't watch the entire show, what I did see, I didn't care for as a story that I would partake in.
01:13:28
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But I can appreciate where they were going with it, what they were trying to do, the story they were trying to tell.
01:13:35
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And when people ask me, do you think that I should watch it?
01:13:39
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Cause I've heard I probably shouldn't.
01:13:41
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And I said, no, I think you should, because I can't tell you if you're going to like it, you may go into it and think like, I'm going to hate this.
01:13:50
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This is going to be so bad.
01:13:51
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And then you watch a couple episodes.
01:13:52
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You're like, Oh, well, I'm just going to keep going just to see what happens.
01:13:56
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And then, you know, the next day you're on season two.
01:14:00
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So.
01:14:01
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Yup.
01:14:02
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For me, I think it's important to keep your mind open.
01:14:07
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And even if you don't like it, you need to know that for yourself versus everyone else has said, that's why there are certain things that I just don't talk about.
01:14:18
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Because like the Vampire Diaries, I can talk about what, I've talked with other people, what they've said about it, things like that.
01:14:25
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But you're never going to hear me
01:14:30
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open a discussion about the vampire diaries cause I've never watched it.
01:14:34
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And so I don't think it's fair for me to be like, Oh yeah.
01:14:37
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Hey, let's talk about this show and let's go into, cause I don't know anything about it.
01:14:41
Speaker
Um, and isn't that the funny thing about life is that most people don't know anything about what they're talking about.
01:14:49
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Nothing.
01:14:50
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That's why we have so many problems.
01:14:52
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Like no one knows what they're talking about.
01:14:54
Speaker
And that's an issue that I've run into with content creation is, you know, in lives, on videos, things like that.
01:15:01
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People want to, I think, claim ownership over the show.
01:15:07
Speaker
And so if I say something wrong or they don't like what I said or they maybe misinterpreted what I said, the first thing they go to is, well, I've been watching this show for X amount of time.
01:15:18
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I've been da-da-da-da.
01:15:20
Speaker
And then it's like they say something that is completely just not true.
01:15:25
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Because they have their own perception in their own interpretation of what they saw and they want that to be fact.
01:15:33
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So they turn it into fact and,
01:15:38
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The number of times that I think I've had to, because when I first started making content, I was very sensitive to that kind of stuff.
01:15:44
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I was very like, oh, my God, I don't want to argue with anyone.
01:15:47
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I want everyone to be friends.
01:15:48
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I don't want to do that.
01:15:49
Speaker
And now I'm just like, you just made that up.
01:15:52
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You know, you just literally made that up.
01:15:56
Speaker
And that's why I can't like with the comments sometimes.
01:16:00
Speaker
Yeah.
01:16:01
Speaker
It's very hard to go through the comments.
01:16:05
Speaker
Which is why I think I probably don't do it.
01:16:08
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But every now and again, I kind of get the bug to be like, let me go look at the comments.
01:16:12
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And, you know, they're very nice and tame now most of the time.
01:16:16
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But when I first started, it would be, there were just people who, and even now people come into the lives and they just want to say what they want to say and they want to be heard.
01:16:26
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And I think that that,
01:16:28
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that need to be seen
01:16:31
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comes out differently in people.
01:16:33
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So, you know, some people will reach out and be like, Hey, you know, after the fact, like, or before or just whatever.
01:16:38
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And they'll be like, Hey, you know, I saw your videos and I did it.
01:16:41
Speaker
And that experience has been very interesting in the charm universe.
01:16:45
Speaker
Cause some people will be like, Hey, I saw your video and it was so funny.
01:16:47
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Or, Hey, I was wondering what you thought about this or blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:16:50
Speaker
But now it's kind of turned into people that I do not know will just message me and be like, you need to talk about this or you need to make a video about that.
01:16:58
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Or you did it.
01:16:59
Speaker
And I'm sure they have good intentions, but
01:17:01
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it's, it's a level of ownership over me now that they think they want their opinion to be heard through my mouth.
01:17:11
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And so, you know, one person I asked them, well, why would I say that?
01:17:15
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And they were like, well, because I think that that's, I said, yeah, but why would I say that?
01:17:20
Speaker
You don't, you can make your own channel.
01:17:23
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You just want me to say it.
01:17:24
Speaker
So I was like, do you want me to, you know, do you want me to give you my cash app?
01:17:28
Speaker
Like, what are we, which way do we go?
01:17:30
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Right.
01:17:32
Speaker
Exactly.
01:17:33
Speaker
Right.
01:17:34
Speaker
If you're going to like want me to say something, then I guess you're going to have to pay because like what?
01:17:39
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Yeah.
01:17:40
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Yeah.
01:17:40
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I think that's a really interesting point.
01:17:42
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I think that a lot of people want to be heard.
01:17:48
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I think that it is for some people.
01:17:52
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I don't think it is for all people because I think some people just have, you know, their own like things or whatever.
01:17:58
Speaker
Like there are people that get on my nerves that like will...
01:18:02
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Oh my God.
01:18:03
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I told this story in a podcast, a couple, uh, like on the last like iteration before I went on the break, but like, there's this man that was like at the gym and he just would like not stop like making noise or talking.
01:18:17
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And it's like, I went, I would go, I go to the gym.
01:18:20
Speaker
I mean, my trainer, like literally like,
01:18:25
Speaker
6.45 in the morning and I'm like, I don't want to hear this person constantly talking or grunting or making noise throughout the exercise.
01:18:35
Speaker
And I think about it and I'm thinking about it in the sense that like,
01:18:39
Speaker
Yeah, I don't really know his experiences.
01:18:40
Speaker
Like, I don't really know what it's like being him.
01:18:44
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Like, I don't know if he's having like a moment right now.
01:18:48
Speaker
Like, I don't, or if this is just kind of like how he's just navigated life.
01:18:52
Speaker
Like, we're all different.
01:18:54
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And I think I've tried to like, being a, you know, a social worker has like opened my eyes a little bit to be almost like a little more understanding of where people are coming from.
01:19:05
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And I'm glad that for you,
01:19:07
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that's why I'm glad that you asked that person, like, why, why do you want me to talk about this thing?
01:19:13
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Because at the end of the day, it's like, we don't have the same experience and you're even us doing like, for example, the, the charm men, this or that, but you know, just kind of doing like something like that and hearing your perspective as to why you would pick like one man over another is just very,
01:19:37
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Much like, yeah, because you're not me.
01:19:39
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So you're not gonna like the same things that I like.
01:19:42
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So why would I say something that I don't believe?
01:19:47
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Right.
01:19:49
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And that's why I tend to over explain, I think, sometimes because I just throw things out there and be like, this is my opinion.
01:19:56
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And then that's the end of the video.
01:19:58
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You know, I like to go in depth.
01:19:59
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And then that way I can give you the points, whether they're, you know, are right, whether you agree with them, whether whatever happens after that.
01:20:06
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But you know why I think that.
01:20:09
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And I used to, I will say too, that content creation has really helped me with the person that I am.
01:20:16
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I still jump, I still have jumped conclusions.
01:20:19
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I still have a lot of anxiety, but when I first started, I would get so frustrated because,
01:20:25
Speaker
Because I think what people don't get about like making the content is that I hear the same things over and over and over and over.
01:20:35
Speaker
So for me, you know, I would get so frustrated because I'm like, I can make a video about anything and people be like, oh, Piper is mother.
01:20:42
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Piper is this, you know, it would just be Piper, Piper, Piper, or it would be like Phoebe and Cole should have been in game or this and that and Leo and Piper, the best and blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:20:51
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And it would be things that,
01:20:53
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I had to do some work on myself and kind of realize why it was triggering me so much.
01:20:59
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And I think I kind of have an issue where I don't feel heard.
01:21:05
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I never felt heard in my own life.
01:21:07
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And so what I felt like sometimes was that I didn't,
01:21:10
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Drowned out by other people.
01:21:12
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And so I had to really stop and work on myself and say, like, OK, well, say what you got to say and then, you know, either let that be it or follow up.
01:21:23
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But then also it made me realize because I've worked as a foster care worker for many years, for about eight years.
01:21:32
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And I'm now a case manager for babies and to help them coordinate services and things like that.
01:21:42
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And I was 25.
01:21:46
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I was a fresh 25 when I started foster care.
01:21:49
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And like I said, I'm 33 now.
01:21:50
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So no, it couldn't have been eight years.
01:21:52
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It was like seven, somewhere in there.
01:21:55
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But I was very naive.
01:21:58
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I was very sheltered.
01:21:59
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I was very...
01:22:03
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my thought process on life was very set.
01:22:06
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And so I would meet kids who would tell me these stories and they'd be like, oh, my mama was at work.
01:22:13
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And so I would think like, well, how was she at work?
01:22:17
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It was like 12, you know, midnight.
01:22:19
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And because my mama was a teacher.
01:22:22
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And so when she was, you know, when we got out of school, she was off work.
01:22:27
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And when we were, you know, on vacation, she was on vacation.
01:22:30
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So there was never a time where we weren't at the house at the same time, unless she had somewhere to be.
01:22:37
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And so like these kids would be telling me like, oh, my mama was at work.
01:22:40
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Oh, she this and that.
01:22:41
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And so logically, I know people have, I know people work jobs.
01:22:45
Speaker
But there was something that was so distant to me about
01:22:52
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people being working at, you know, different places at like midnight and they have kids.
01:22:58
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And because that wasn't my experience and that was what made me realize that my experience is not everyone's experience.
01:23:04
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And it really opened my eyes to the world.
01:23:08
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And I know that that sounds really crazy, but I'm telling that story.
01:23:14
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I get embarrassed telling this story, but I'm grateful for that because it made me stop putting my experience first.
01:23:22
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And with talking about Charmed online, what I have to remember a lot is just like I didn't have anyone to talk to about it for decades.
01:23:32
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There are so many people who for the first time, they are finally getting the opportunity to talk about this show with people who are going to understand.
01:23:41
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And so when my 50th person of the day is saying, you know, Piper was mother or they were saying this was this, they don't they don't know that that's the hundredth time that I've heard that today.
01:23:53
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And, you know, so I had to stop projecting my anger onto other people because I was like, these people don't know that.
01:24:02
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They don't know that.
01:24:03
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They can't.
01:24:04
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Exactly.
01:24:05
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And so, you know, the people who come for me, I'll come for them.
01:24:08
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But, you know, as.
01:24:10
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Oh, yeah.
01:24:10
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Like, let's.
01:24:14
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Yeah.
01:24:14
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Let's, you know, just kind of put that out there first.
01:24:17
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It's like.
01:24:19
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You know, and this is where I'd like kind of get myself as a social worker where I'm just like.
01:24:27
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the balance the lines between professional and like not professional get a little hairy but i'm like you're also not going to talk to me crazy like you're not going to talk to me like a dog and you're not going to talk to me like because you don't pay my fucking bills and you don't know shit about me so i feel like even in that like having that like strength to be like
01:24:52
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Yeah.
01:24:53
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Like, I'm not, I'm not going to put up with the shit.
01:24:55
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Like, yeah, I get why people eventually, cause it gets to be a lot.
01:24:58
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Like, especially if you go through the comments or you're someone, like you said, like when you were starting out, you just, you know, you get those comments and you're just like, well, what the fuck?
01:25:07
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And it ruins your, it like adds onto your, you know, self-esteem and it, um, you know, like issues and it adds onto a lot more of, um,
01:25:20
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the negative concept that you're telling yourself.
01:25:23
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And in actuality, if we are going to be blunt, like the things that people tell us are the things that they think about themselves.
01:25:33
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Right.
01:25:33
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Absolutely.
01:25:34
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Absolutely.
01:25:35
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Absolutely.
01:25:38
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I'm not good with boundaries.
01:25:39
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I don't make boundaries that often.
01:25:42
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And so for me, that's something I've always struggled with.
01:25:45
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And, you know, doing this, I've had to...
01:25:50
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And so people will message me and be like, you're weird and you need to get a life and blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:25:58
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And, you know, I just had an opinion about something and I got muted.
01:26:01
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And I'm like, well, yeah, yes, of course you got muted because you said something that violated what I've put in place as guidelines for my life.
01:26:10
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But-
01:26:11
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People don't think there should be guidelines for them.
01:26:14
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It's like, well, yeah, they want to partake in the safe environment that's created by these guidelines, but they don't want to actually, some of them don't want to partake in those guidelines because they have something they want to say.
01:26:27
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Right.
01:26:28
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And, you know, people, one of the things that I have in place for my lives and videos and really community as a whole is not pitting the sisters against each other.
01:26:39
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So you'll have people who, oh, Piper can solo the other ones.
01:26:43
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Or which one do you think was stronger, Prue or Paige?
01:26:46
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Or which one do you like?
01:26:47
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And I don't.
01:26:49
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foster those kind of conversations because I feel like that is what created the divide and kept it for so many years.
01:26:57
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And so for me, you know, I know I'm just one person on the internet, but I don't even let it go any further than that.
01:27:04
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So if someone asks it, I'll typically ignore it because sometimes people just don't know.
01:27:10
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But then some people...
01:27:11
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If I say like, we don't talk about that, they'll get mad and they'll be like, well, why?
01:27:15
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Because it's just a question and blah, blah, blah.
01:27:17
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And I'm like, no, it's more than just a question.
01:27:21
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It's not, you know, the show is about unity.
01:27:23
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It's about sisterhood.
01:27:24
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It's about a family coming together.
01:27:26
Speaker
If you want to think about who's better or who's, you need to go watch Power Rangers.
01:27:31
Speaker
That's the show for you.
01:27:33
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Yeah.
01:27:35
Speaker
Because... And even then, it's so interesting that we have these shows where, for example, Buffy.
01:27:43
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You see Buffy.
01:27:44
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She's supposed to be all by herself doing this all alone.
01:27:49
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She ends up getting... Her friends come along with her because they want to help her because they don't want to see anything bad happen to her.
01:27:58
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And it's like, you can watch a show like that
01:28:02
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versus like a show like Charmed or, for example, Power Rangers.
01:28:05
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And there's an actual team.
01:28:08
Speaker
Like you are a team.
01:28:09
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Like everybody brings something different into this thing because we are all different.
01:28:15
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And that's the point.
01:28:17
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Yep.
01:28:17
Speaker
And even with Buffy, you get people that'll be like, oh, Willow Casolo.
01:28:21
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If Willow actually this and that, then she could have taken Buffy out.
01:28:24
Speaker
And I'm just like, y'all, please let's stop.
01:28:26
Speaker
Let's, let's just watch.
01:28:27
Speaker
It's like, yeah, it's like, let's just actually have fun.
01:28:30
Speaker
Like, like, let's just have fun.
01:28:31
Speaker
Let's watch the show.
01:28:32
Speaker
Let's talk about it.
01:28:33
Speaker
Let's.
01:28:34
Speaker
And I like just having like deep conversation.
01:28:37
Speaker
And I like having this like dialogue because even like, as we're talking about
01:28:41
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the show that didn't feature us as Black people.
01:28:48
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It's like...
01:28:50
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you still can find a way to be, you know, connected to it without there being drama or like being a lot of mess or competition.
01:29:03
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Now, like there's some things that characters will do where you're just kind of like, all right, that was fucked up.
01:29:08
Speaker
Because like, honestly, in real life, if somebody did that, you would say that.
01:29:11
Speaker
But like to, you know,
01:29:13
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say like, oh, well, Phoebe was like the weakest.
01:29:16
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Like when they would say that on the show, I would be like, oh my God, but like she prevented so many, like she's the reason why like all the demons failed.
01:29:25
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Well, and she drove the story in the first season with her power.
01:29:28
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Yes.
01:29:29
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And, you know, recently I've had a couple of people who've said in my lives that Phoebe was the weakest.
01:29:36
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One person even said that they said it on the show.
01:29:38
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And, you know, what makes me upset about that, and I think that sometimes, again, I have to kind of check myself because sometimes I do get very emotional.
01:29:47
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You know, I'm not a big, like, Zodiac person or horoscope person, but I'm a cancer.
01:29:53
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And so...
01:29:53
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People say we're very emotional.
01:29:55
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So, you know, I love cancers though.
01:30:00
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Like I get along very well with cancers.
01:30:02
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Child, my God, you're the first person.
01:30:05
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I'm an Aquarius.
01:30:06
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Everyone has told me like, Oh, I don't like cancers.
01:30:08
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Oh, cancers are so, no, I like cancers.
01:30:12
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Cancers are, I like that.
01:30:15
Speaker
You guys like what you like.
01:30:16
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And I and you guys like are very much your emotion.
01:30:23
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Like being emotional always makes sense to me when cancers are emotional.
01:30:27
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Like I'm like, I get it.
01:30:29
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Yeah, I always get it.
01:30:31
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Yeah.
01:30:31
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I get upset.
01:30:32
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There's a reason, especially if I wasn't upset before.
01:30:34
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You know, there's a there's a there's a reason behind it.
01:30:38
Speaker
But what gets me about that is I feel like it's such a way to discredit her character.
01:30:43
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And I think that, you know, and I said this and it kind of was a little inflammatory.
01:30:48
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I'll admit that.
01:30:48
Speaker
But, you know, I think that a lot of people watch this show from the perspective of their 10 year old self, of their childhood self.
01:30:56
Speaker
And they equate Piper with power.
01:31:00
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because they see, they can see the results.
01:31:03
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She boom, you know, there's, there's something large and it's more than that.
01:31:07
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I think, you know, when it comes, I'm using her power as an example, you know, but it's the same thing with Prue where it's like, you know, she could fling.
01:31:13
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And so, you know, she's more powerful.
01:31:15
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She this, because it's something that they can measure.
01:31:18
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It's something that they can see the explosion.
01:31:20
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They can see the person go flying.
01:31:21
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They can see it affect the physical world where someone like Phoebe, you know,
01:31:28
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You have the source taunting her by saying your power was always the weakest, hardly worth taking.
01:31:34
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But you have to also keep in mind that at the same time that he's saying that, every move he has made has been based on a demon who was clairvoyant.
01:31:47
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So, clearly.
01:31:50
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You could have had the power.
01:31:52
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Yeah.
01:31:53
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Like he clearly understands the importance and the power and the potential of a clairvoyant individual and of the power of premonition.
01:32:03
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So when he's saying that to her, he's not actually saying she's weak.
01:32:08
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He is taunting her.
01:32:09
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He's literally...
01:32:11
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toying with her before he tries to end her life.
01:32:15
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And so, you know, they take those kind of statements and they take it seriously.
01:32:18
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And they take, you know, Phoebe saying that her power is, you know, the least useful and she wants an active power to mean like, oh, she sees herself as weak.
01:32:26
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Seeing yourself as weak doesn't mean that you're weak.
01:32:30
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Exactly.
01:32:31
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Exactly.
01:32:32
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And I think that that's where a character like Piper comes in, where we see Piper as weak as a person, but then we see her strong as a person later on.
01:32:45
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And then, so now it's like, oh, she had the power to freeze and it's passive, but now she's got this active power that's boom, you know?
01:32:53
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And so they equate that to growth.
01:32:56
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They equate that to growth.
01:32:59
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how a person can grow magically where it's like with someone like Phoebe, she was seeing in season one is seeing through time loops, you know, in season two, with magical creatures in season three, she's connected with magical creatures through time loops.
01:33:16
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You know, her power is always useful in a way that helps them to do what they need to do and accomplish their goal.
01:33:24
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And the inner strength that she has to have to see people in her head constantly dying.
01:33:29
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And feel it.
01:33:49
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And she has to see all the losses that they have, you know, that they've encountered in their life and experienced in just the past couple of years.
01:33:58
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And it puts into perspective that within six years, they lost their grandmother, they lost their sister, they lost Andy, you know, Paige lost Kyle, even though that was kind of recent, but still, you know, they've experienced all of these losses.
01:34:12
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Like Phoebe had to watch in her mind,
01:34:16
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Her mother's final moments, her mother that she never got a chance to know, she had to see that.
01:34:22
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None of them were there when Graham's passed away.
01:34:25
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But in that vision, Phoebe is the one who saw Graham's final moment.
01:34:29
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She is the one who relived Andy's final moments, who, you know, had to go back and remember how hurt she was over Pru.
01:34:37
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And it's just the fact that it doesn't consume her, but it snaps her back into reality.
01:34:45
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I think at its core, that's who Phoebe is.
01:34:47
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Phoebe is a person who can handle it, but she has to get there.
01:34:52
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She runs away from emotion.
01:34:53
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Now, my girl runs away from her feelings.
01:34:55
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
01:34:57
Speaker
My girl, she's a runner.
01:34:58
Speaker
She's a track star.
01:35:01
Speaker
Listen, we all are, I think, in a lot of ways, too.
01:35:04
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And I think that also I want to just say, too, really quickly, is just about the fact that she could see, like, you know,
01:35:13
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She was the one that was like feeling, seeing all of this stuff.
01:35:17
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And it almost makes me like excuse a lot of why she was absent or like, oh my God, I have to focus on this column or like focus on this other thing because she was already dealing with so much.
01:35:31
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And she, she never really had to deal with it because when she was younger, you know, if she made a mistake, um,
01:35:38
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Which, you know, they told us she did all the time.
01:35:40
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Yeah, she'd get yelled at, but there wouldn't be any, you know, it would just be like, Pearl would take care of it.
01:35:46
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Grahams would take care of it.
01:35:47
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Somebody else was going to take care of it.
01:35:49
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They were going to take care of her.
01:35:51
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And that's why Jason is one of my favorite relationships with Phoebe, because he holds her accountable.
01:35:58
Speaker
But I think he also expects that of her to hold him accountable.
01:36:02
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It's a two way street.
01:36:03
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And I think that that relationship is such an adult one for her.
01:36:06
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And I think that that's why she's scared to lose it.
01:36:09
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And you have someone like Cole who, yes, he knows about magic.
01:36:13
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Yes, they have this great love affair.
01:36:15
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Yes, you know, he is trying to be good and trying to escape the clutches of evil for her.
01:36:20
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But their relationship is always based in them overcoming something.
01:36:25
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It's always based in them having to fight the source, having to fight the demons, having to fight the bounty hunters, having to fight, you know, what's his name?
01:36:33
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The one that cast a spell on him.
01:36:35
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Like, there's always someone.
01:36:37
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I can't remember his name.
01:36:38
Speaker
I want to say Renick so bad, but I do not think that's who that was.
01:36:41
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Anyway, I just remember that it was the guy who played what's his name from General Hospital.
01:36:46
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Yeah.
01:36:49
Speaker
Oh.
01:36:50
Speaker
So bad because he was with Fanola Hughes.
01:36:54
Speaker
His character was with Fanola Hughes.
01:36:55
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He was with Anna Devane.
01:36:58
Speaker
Duke.
01:36:59
Speaker
Duke.
01:37:00
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That was his name, I think.
01:37:01
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
01:37:02
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Duke.
01:37:04
Speaker
But, you know,
01:37:05
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For me, watching them have to constantly go through that, there's always something there.
01:37:13
Speaker
And it feels like that's another reason why Phoebe kind of... She still has to use magic to figure out whether she even wants to marry him.
01:37:20
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Because, you know... Yes.
01:37:22
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Phoebe never... She gets the answer to her question in the fact that her older self is able to... Is willing to die for Cole.
01:37:30
Speaker
So if she's willing to die for Cole, that must mean that we love him.
01:37:34
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And I think that's so impactful for her because Phoebe doesn't trust herself to love him.
01:37:42
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To the point where she's like, well, now I can trust myself because I've seen that.
01:37:47
Speaker
And I think that that's the part of Phoebe that makes the premonitions so...
01:37:54
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it makes sense with her because I think Phoebe needs to see it.
01:37:56
Speaker
Like, yes, she can feel it.
01:37:57
Speaker
She can whatever.
01:37:59
Speaker
She questions her own emotions so much that you see her have to see something.
01:38:06
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And then even most of the time when it's right there in front of her, she still, you know, doesn't take it into consideration, but that's a different discussion.
01:38:13
Speaker
Right.
01:38:13
Speaker
That's a different discussion, but...
01:38:16
Speaker
I was going to ask then, like, how do you, I guess, then when it comes to like content creation and just like, I guess, navigating your life up until this point, like, how do you like, like trust yourself or how did you learn how to maybe learn to start trusting yourself or trusting the process of like, you know, I'm going to upload videos and I'm just going to kind of just do this thing.
01:38:46
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And in a lot of ways, you had to trust the process and trust yourself.
01:38:49
Speaker
Mm-hmm.
01:38:51
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If I'm 100% honest with you, there are days where I don't.
01:38:55
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There have been a lot of days in the past because I was unemployed for about four months earlier this year.
01:39:01
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And it was very difficult because I kept trying to tell myself, like, okay, I'm a full-time content creator.
01:39:08
Speaker
But I was worried about money, and so I wasn't putting myself fully into it.
01:39:11
Speaker
And so that's been something that I've had to grapple with is accepting the fact that I didn't put myself fully into it.
01:39:18
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because I was worried about other things.
01:39:20
Speaker
So knowing that I didn't give myself the opportunity, that's a different discussion.
01:39:24
Speaker
But I kind of just accept the fact that people aren't going to like it or they will.
01:39:33
Speaker
And that's all I can go for.
01:39:36
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Because what I kind of get stuck on sometimes, I reached 13,000 followers on TikTok.
01:39:44
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And I was so happy.
01:39:48
Speaker
But I saw other people that would get more followers.
01:39:52
Speaker
You know, they get like a random viral video or whatever else.
01:39:56
Speaker
And so then I kept thinking like, what am I doing?
01:39:59
Speaker
What am I not doing?
01:39:59
Speaker
What am I doing wrong?
01:40:00
Speaker
What am I this?
01:40:01
Speaker
What am I that?
01:40:02
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And then I was, I got very depressed for a time.
01:40:05
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And then one day I don't even know how to describe it, but I had to realize like, Galen, are you serious?
01:40:13
Speaker
You know, a couple of years ago,
01:40:16
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5,000 didn't seem possible.
01:40:18
Speaker
And, you know, 10,000 didn't seem possible.
01:40:22
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And, and so now I'm at this point where I realized that when I go live or when I do a Twitch stream, or if I, you know, have something on Patreon or if I, whatever, there is a core group of people that I know that,
01:40:40
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That even if I underperform, even if it's a mess, and even if afterwards they say like, yeah, you could have done X, Y, and Z a little bit better.
01:40:49
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There is a lot of people that are going to show up for me.
01:40:54
Speaker
And that is not something that I got by a fluke.
01:40:59
Speaker
That's not something that I got.
01:41:01
Speaker
That's not something that I got, you know, just from that trust in me is something that I earned.
01:41:08
Speaker
And...
01:41:12
Speaker
Them supporting me.
01:41:19
Speaker
I'm sorry.
01:41:22
Speaker
They don't know how much that support has meant to me.
01:41:28
Speaker
And I try to say it a lot.
01:41:30
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I try to tell them often, but truly the way that they show up for me, like if I have a live, I know the names I'm going to see.
01:41:38
Speaker
And I think I started taking that for granted and just being like, oh, you know, it's just the same people.
01:41:42
Speaker
And then I realized like, well, yeah, it is the same people because those people trust that what you have to say is going to be interesting.
01:41:49
Speaker
They want to hear what you have to say and they want to support you as a content creator.
01:41:52
Speaker
They want to be there for you.
01:41:56
Speaker
And when I put that at the forefront of my mind and...
01:42:04
Speaker
I could put a name and a face to the people I was making content for that changed my outlook.
01:42:10
Speaker
And it made me feel more like instead of thinking, okay, well this video didn't go viral.
01:42:15
Speaker
It's like, Oh, well, I wonder what they thought about it.
01:42:16
Speaker
I wonder what they think I could do different.
01:42:18
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I wonder what they, you know, because I know they watched it.
01:42:21
Speaker
And even if they didn't, I know that they have a perspective on me as a, as, as a content creator.
01:42:29
Speaker
And, um,
01:42:33
Speaker
The journey to that has been difficult because I found, you know, I've had people that I was friends with that I know sometimes all of us have the potential to not be good friends.
01:42:45
Speaker
And I know that.
01:42:45
Speaker
But there were people that I lost as friends that I didn't think I would.
01:42:50
Speaker
There were people that.
01:42:52
Speaker
Yeah.
01:42:58
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I have to reconcile with, well, I must have done something that made them not, you know, whatever.
01:43:07
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Want to continue our friendship or whatever the case may be, especially as I started getting on this content creation journey.
01:43:13
Speaker
But it made me grow up because it made me stop growing.
01:43:21
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thinking, well, I didn't do anything.
01:43:24
Speaker
Well, maybe I don't think I did anything, but maybe I did.
01:43:26
Speaker
You know, maybe I absolutely did.
01:43:30
Speaker
But it also made me realize that conditional support does not have a place in growth and in building.
01:43:46
Speaker
And someone...
01:43:50
Speaker
having different expectations of friendship than you or having different ways of expressing friendship than you, um, is not an indication that either one of you is a bad person.
01:44:02
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It just means that you're not aligned with each other.
01:44:04
Speaker
And I know that, I know that may not be super tied to the question, but for me it is because I would put a lot of stock in what other people thought of me when I would make content and I would,
01:44:20
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do things thinking, I wonder if this person would like this.
01:44:23
Speaker
I wonder if this individual or these people would, you know, like this.
01:44:29
Speaker
And I felt like I stopped saying,
01:44:33
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having fun with it at a certain point because I was putting pressure on myself to, they're going to be disappointed in me.
01:44:41
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They're going, they're not going to want to talk to me.
01:44:42
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They're not going to want to X, Y, and Z. But what it made me do was stop and trust the fact that people do like it.
01:44:52
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People do want to watch it.
01:44:53
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People do want to listen to it.
01:44:54
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And yeah,
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Once I had that moment of clarity and once I stopped, because again, they didn't put that pressure on me.
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No one did.
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I put that on myself because of abandonment issues, because of different things.
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I did that to myself, that my self-worth and my, my ability to create would be tied to, you know, my ability to produce.
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And when I stopped putting so much pressure on that and was like, okay, I'm
01:45:25
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Do I want to put a video out this week?
01:45:27
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Yes.
01:45:28
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What do I want it to be about?
01:45:29
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Maybe this.
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And stop thinking, if I don't put something out, then they're not going to like, you know, the community is not going to like me anymore.
01:45:39
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They are not going to want to follow me because I'm not producing anything and I'm not this and I'm not that.
01:45:45
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I've been very thankful and very blessed that I have people in my corner who have shown me that whether I produce something every day or whether I produce something once a month, they're going to support me as a person because I am a person that is worth supporting.
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And that has helped me to trust in myself and trust in what I'm doing to know that something may not be up to par.
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Because I know when they find it entertaining and when they don't.
01:46:17
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I know.
01:46:20
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I can tell.
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And that's made me strive to...
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do and not just say, and not just say, I want to go to the next level, not just say, I want to do better, not just say, I want to, you know, X, Y, and Z, but actually do it.
01:46:36
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So it's been a long road.
01:46:39
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It's been a long journey and I still have so much more to go, but I'm excited to go down there.
01:46:46
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No, I'm actually, I'm excited for you.
01:46:48
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And I'm looking forward, I think, too, to what comes next and what you do next.
01:46:56
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I know, you know, we're running out of time, but I have a closing segment called, you know, Final Thoughts.
01:47:04
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Usually I talk about my final thoughts, but when I have guests come on, I usually will ask them, you know, what their final thoughts are.
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And we're also going to pair it
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with something else, but I'll let you, um, see if there's any like projects that you're working on or anything that you maybe want to share or any, um, or even how do people can find you?
01:47:32
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Woo.
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Okay.
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Um, so every Saturday and Sunday over on Patreon, um, the members of the war in line, Terry and I, we get together, we watch charmed.
01:47:44
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We watched two episodes of charm today and we Kiki.
01:47:47
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Sometimes we've been on there for a couple, like one time we were on there for like five hours.
01:47:51
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Um, yeah, we get on there and baby, when we watch it, we watch it.
01:47:58
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We have discussion, things like that.
01:48:00
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So we're going to be starting season two tomorrow.
01:48:06
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Starting next week, I am going to be uploading a an American Horror Story Coven rewatch on Patreon as well.
01:48:17
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Yes, I'm very, very excited about that.
01:48:20
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And it's going to be fun to go back and relive the magic.
01:48:23
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I have some special things coming up for Halloween, maybe some movie reviews, maybe some little movie discussions, things like that.
01:48:30
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Some special lives that may be on TikTok that are going to be scheduled.
01:48:35
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Um, you can find me pretty much everywhere.
01:48:38
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They call me Mr. G. You can find me on TikTok.
01:48:40
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You can find me on YouTube.
01:48:42
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You can find me on Instagram.
01:48:43
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Um, you can also find me on Instagram at power of G. I want to say it's power of G 2024.
01:48:50
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I want to say that's my Instagram ad.
01:48:53
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Um, you can find me on TikTok as well and YouTube at Real Life with G because that's where I do like my drag race discussions.
01:49:04
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That's where I do my sister wives discussions, things like that.
01:49:09
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And that's where I kind of have been.
01:49:10
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I tried to vlog a little bit and hopefully I'm going to get back to that.
01:49:15
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But yeah, so you can find me pretty much anywhere under those monikers.
01:49:22
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I don't know.
01:49:23
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That's right.
01:49:23
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You are like booked and busy.
01:49:26
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Baby, listen, listen.
01:49:29
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Blessed and busy.
01:49:30
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Yes, I love it.
01:49:32
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And it's so funny because I think I saw a post earlier that was like the.
01:49:37
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All the bees were like, it was it was it bless something about bless black.
01:49:45
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boy and something else and i was like oh yeah all the bees all the bees um like all the peas i don't want to naming yes all the peas um okay i think that may be about it um i definitely would love to have you come back on like i this i feel like
01:50:08
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Because I know you watch, we watch a lot of the same shows and I love talking about having this like commentary about shows.
01:50:15
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I'm like, I would actually love to keep like talking to you about like different shows.
01:50:19
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So I'm definitely going to have to have you come back.
01:50:21
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Baby, listen, if you want to do a whole podcast, I'm perfectly fine with that.
01:50:24
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I'm down.
01:50:25
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I know that's right.
01:50:27
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Oh, listen, let me stop being so forward about stuff because, listen, I love a good collection.
01:50:32
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But, you know, that's how you manifest.
01:50:34
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OK, so that's how you manifest.
01:50:36
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We also have a segment that we call the gathering.
01:50:38
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And so are there any things that you would want to gather or, you know, kind of manifest or collect over the next season?
01:50:50
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I don't know, let's say five years over the next five years.
01:50:55
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Where do you think we'll see you in five years?
01:50:59
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Oh my God, five years.
01:51:03
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That is so hard.
01:51:06
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Wow.
01:51:09
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I think that in five years, I would like to be a professional content creator.
01:51:15
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I would like to be hosting panels,
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at like Comic-Cons, things like that.
01:51:21
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I would like to be hosting at least two or three podcasts about TV commentary.
01:51:28
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I would like a career in entertainment, the entertainment industry that fulfills me.
01:51:40
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And that includes voice acting, that includes podcasting, that includes hosting and
01:51:49
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What I would like to get from that is the ability to summarize my thoughts better.
01:51:57
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I would like to hone my interview skills.
01:52:00
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I would like to create an environment where people feel or continue to create this environment where people feel safe, seen and welcomed.
01:52:15
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I love that.
01:52:17
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I hope that you get all of that.
01:52:19
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And honestly, I feel like that's very possible.
01:52:22
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Like you are doing, you've done like the hard part.
01:52:26
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You've gotten yourself out there.
01:52:29
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You have put your content up.
01:52:32
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You have engaged with
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fans.
01:52:34
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You've, you know, you're meeting the cast, you are hosting, you are, you know, going live, doing all the things.
01:52:41
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And I feel like it's only a matter of time before, you know,
01:52:44
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you get everything you want.
01:52:46
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Oh my God.
01:52:47
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I received it.
01:52:48
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I received it.
01:52:49
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Yes.
01:52:51
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All right.
01:52:51
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Well, that wraps up this week's episode.
01:52:54
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You can definitely check out the podcast at gathered them pod on Instagram and on X formerly known as Twitter.
01:53:04
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If you have any listener letters or if you have any,
01:53:09
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You know, questions, advice.
01:53:12
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I am a therapist again.
01:53:14
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Yes.
01:53:15
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Social worker.
01:53:17
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Free advice.
01:53:20
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Giving very much as Wendy.
01:53:22
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Very that.
01:53:23
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Very that.
01:53:24
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Very that.
01:53:25
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It's giving very phrase.
01:53:28
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Yes.
01:53:29
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Oh my God.
01:53:30
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Very that.
01:53:32
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So yeah, if you have any, any, any inquiries, send them together, them pod at gmail.com.
01:53:37
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And I, you know, again, have to thank you for it.
01:53:43
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You know, accepting my invite, because like I said, I was like, so like, part of me has been nervous, but part of me is like, boy, you just got to do it.
01:53:51
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Like if you don't just like reach out to people and I'm like,
01:53:55
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the worst thing people could say is no.
01:53:57
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And you're already expecting maybe a no.
01:54:01
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So when it's a yes, you're like, oh, okay, it wasn't that bad.
01:54:06
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And it worked out perfectly.
01:54:07
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It did.
01:54:08
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And child, I ain't nobody to be scared of.
01:54:11
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I'm just a little fat boy from Louisiana that sits in his room with TV screens.
01:54:18
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Well, I mean, yeah, same.
01:54:20
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But
01:54:23
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But yeah, I, you know, this week, this wraps up this week's episode and I will talk to everyone next week.
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Bye.