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The Golden Door w/ Jackie Matthews
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This week we're joined by our friend Jackie Matthews. Jackie is lead finisher at Timbur in Keansburg, NJ.
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Introduction & Sponsorship
00:00:28
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Interview with Jackie from Timber
00:00:53
Speaker
Welcome back to the show. Yes, indeed. It's good to be back. Yeah. We're joined by our new friend today, Jackie from Timber. How do you do? What's going on?
00:01:08
Speaker
Apologize as I save this audio file. Yeah. We also know Jackie as the Golden Door winner. Yeah. Yeah. Let's get right to that. Send the record straight from the gig. The champ is here, so. We love Jackie.
00:01:31
Speaker
They should have had like, yeah, like a better title, like the golden sprayer or the golden finisher. Yeah, I think that door still smells like Rust-Oleone. Oh yeah, I forgot it was, yeah, Rattle can. Yeah. Which is funny because finish shop, you know? Yeah. Also, I need to call up new doors and say, hey, this thing had a little bit of a fat edge. I need you guys to fix this for me.
00:01:58
Speaker
Yeah. That was new terminology for me at the thing. Yeah. If people don't know what we're referring to, it was our day at, uh, at new doors, the spray day with Nate, right? Yeah. Actually I got my cord and, uh, it was, uh, from Tim at, uh, it was a little, it was a little contest that nobody really knew was a contest. And Jackie came home with the best work of the whole day. Yeah.
00:02:23
Speaker
Yeah, surprising to me as well. It was great British baking style show, style, blind, judging. It was cool. That's what they said, but I didn't get the reference because I've never watched it. You've never seen it? Oh, yeah. Not a big fan of that show. I love cooking shows. I hate cooking competition shows because they're all competitions now. I've seen clips like
00:02:46
Speaker
It's just really charming. They all have British accents. It's funny. And I think British humor is hilarious. So they have these little quips that just make me laugh. Charming is the best way to describe it. It's not an American show at all. Yeah, I have a British brother-in-law. So that's entertaining. So you're good on a British comedy. Yeah, as much as I could physically stomach. He's cool though.
00:03:17
Speaker
Oh man. Yeah. He's from Malden, the famous salt, uh, whatever. I don't know what you would call that. It's not a mine. Yeah. Um, yeah. What are they, do they call them salt mines? Well, it's not, it's like coming from the ocean or whatever. Oh, okay. I think there are salt mines, but this is not a mining salt. Uh, like formations, the columns are, uh, I don't know.
Jackie's Background and Work
00:03:41
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Yeah. So Jackie, you're from timber.
00:03:44
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I do. I work at Timber. Yeah. Yeah. I'm representing Timber today. Yeah. Well, do I'm proud with a B you are with a B you are. Yeah. Yes. So if you guys remember season three, uh, do you remember what episode it was? Walter like early or mid season three? I don't remember what episode now. It was pedal pushers or something pedal. Anyways, that was the name of it.
00:04:08
Speaker
Yeah, I don't remember. It seems like a lifetime ago. Yeah, definitely. We weren't even doing the podcast in this room at that time. No. We were doing it in the storage room over there. In the dungeon. We had it set up. It was like, I always said it was like, if you had like an older brother who had a friend who had like a basement where like they smoke pot, like very dim lights, like curtains on all the walls.
00:04:33
Speaker
It was like an old couch in there. And it was like, we had these two armchairs. Yeah. Yeah. I can picture it. It was, it was quite a sight. Yeah. It was funny because whenever ever anybody would come over for the first time and they'd see it, they're sort of like, hmm, what's going on? It's just a concrete room. So like we had to put stuff, you know, we had to put all the soft surfaces, not that this is the best, but we were kind of just like, you know what? This is what it is. If you don't like the sounds. Yeah. The two sticks were bad.
00:05:02
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Yeah. I think we have pretty good sound though, regardless of the, this pretty hard room. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you have this nice equipment that does. Yeah. And lots of filters. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's a whole, a whole thing over here of, of effects. Cool. So what do you want to talk about? Well, um, yeah, I don't, yeah, I'm from timber. I come, I'm over here. I'm actually here on my lunch break.
00:05:31
Speaker
Um, in between sanding a, they should be paying you to be here. Furniture. Yeah. Um, and I know, and I met, I know about you guys from Walter. Um, and we've been working together now for a year and I started at timber just shortly after he did for the same project for Kith. Oh yeah. That was a big one. That was a big one. And so he and I had the same job when I started. So I was doing, uh, woodworking and fabricating there at that time with, uh, Bobby Gafferty.
00:06:01
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Oh, Robert, yeah. Bobby. We call him Hippity. That's funny. Yeah. And so I was not finishing at the time. Now I am the lead finisher at Timber. That's what I do. And doing it well. Yeah. We've seen all the high gloss stuff. I mean, this stuff's no joke. That's not for the faint of heart.
00:06:26
Speaker
You're right, it is not. It is very laborious and so much room for error. And truthfully, I have broken down many, many pieces and started over. Yeah. Do you guys have doors on the booth? No. Yeah. It's just like yours wide open. Just maybe three times as big. Yeah. It's really tall. Yeah. Which is cool.
00:06:49
Speaker
So for the lay person, what is timber? Because they may not have watched or... Yeah, timber is, I guess, classified as a digital fabrication shop. Design and fabrication.
00:07:08
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So Timber does all sorts of different things. You know, we work with different artists to fabricate their designs and then obviously finish them, make them pretty.
00:07:20
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And then also we do a lot of, lately we've been doing a lot of casework for museums, one museum in particular. I don't know if I can say which one, but you know, we're doing museum boxes. What does it rhyme with? Pale. The Museum of Modern Fart.
00:07:42
Speaker
Don't bring in the fart jokes, dude. You gotta get me every time. But yeah, so we're doing a lot of that. A lot of CNC robots. I think we have five or six different CNC machines in there.
00:08:00
Speaker
Yeah. You guys have like that Anderson two head kind of thing. Got the two robot arms and two shop sabers. Yep. And then a little 404 is what they call it. I know nothing of CNC. Yeah. We really don't know anything either.
00:08:15
Speaker
Yeah. I think that's kind of my, one of my goals. I think in 2024 is to double dabble in fusion. Yeah. Kind of figure that out. Got it open, ready to, ready to rock at all times right here. There's my, Oh, there's the thing. Yeah.
00:08:33
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Yeah. So it's as easy as just draw it here, export as DXF, send it to the laser. It's nice. Yeah. I think, I think it would be cool to learn, um, just to be able to, to draw what I'm trying to do. Yeah. So we're trying to explain to you what we're building. This is what we're building. That's a wide O.
00:08:56
Speaker
Very cool. Yeah. I need this. Like I need to be able to see this. 100%. Yeah. I can't just conjure these things up in my head. Right. And you know, when I've tried to draw them by hand before, I just, I'm a terrible drawer. Terrible.
00:09:13
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Yeah, even if you're like a professional drafter, it's, I can't see anything other than what is that on the paper. You know, I can't picture it in my head. Yeah. And there's no, it's hard to get depth, you know, which I think is important.
00:09:29
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Yeah, we were just at a client's, was that yesterday? Yeah. And she, um, she had the kitchen done back in the eighties and she worked with a design team in San Francisco and they did everything via mail and all these hand drawn drawings. All 2D. Yeah. She had like two perspective views. That was it.
00:09:51
Speaker
Wow. Yeah. Just sketches. Yeah. She's like, we were sending pictures back and forth, like photographs in the mail. I mean, it's wild that like, I can barely remember doing stuff like that. Yeah.
00:10:10
Speaker
I mean, when did, when did email become a thing? Like what was that? 1990, I don't know. I mean, I didn't get an email address until I was like applying for college. So like I was in high school and, and like didn't even have an email until the end of high school. I think I had an email address in late nineties, like 98, 99, something like that.
00:10:36
Speaker
Was it like AOL? Was that the first thing? I guess. I remember my AOL name. Yeah, I take that back. I did. Because if I had an AOL screen name, then I definitely had an email that went with it. I don't know if I actually received an email. Yeah. I don't remember like sending an email until like 2005 or something. Yeah.
00:10:57
Speaker
Yes, had a free requisite. Yeah, we weren't sending emails back then. We were just, I don't even know messaging one another.
00:11:07
Speaker
Yeah. That was when like Hotmail was like a real, now if you have a Hotmail email address, like you cannot be taken seriously. I know, right? I actually know people with Hotmail and I'm like, man, it's time to get out of there. My mom has like an at Yahoo. I'm like, really? Yeah. Get a Gmail, you know, if it's not at Gmail or like at, you know, ours is like Green Tree Joinery or like
00:11:31
Speaker
Uh, what's the Mac one? Is it Emmy? Um, yeah, there's a Mac changed a couple of times because my is at Mac.com. Then they did at Emmy.com. And then there's, there's another one. Um, I don't know what it is. Cause I refuse to change mine. My mail was crashing like crazy. Yeah. I'm a Mac guy. Yeah. Then Gmail from
00:12:00
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Back in the mid 2000s. I started on Yahoo though. Yeah. That was my first email. MSN was pretty big too. Yes. I don't even know if MSN is a thing. Yeah. That's a, that's a good question. MSN still around.
00:12:21
Speaker
We're Googling. Yeah. That's why we have this open. We, we ask questions all the time. Yeah. And then you have to know in 2022, Microsoft began phasing out MSN for Microsoft start. Oh, okay. So MSN was a Microsoft thing homepage. The only element of the site that's still intact. Hmm.
00:12:42
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Yeah. And then there was MSN messenger and, uh, what was the little win win amp? You could like listen to your music and had like the weird like, uh, visualizations on the side. Oh yeah. With the like kind of trippy. I, uh, I think the first iPod I had was a iPod touch. Oh, I had the nano.
00:13:10
Speaker
That little tiny one. Yeah. I still remember we've talked about this before. First kid that had an iPod, John Macaluso in high school. I was like, wow. Crazy. I think that confirmed that you are younger than me. Yeah. I graduated in 2007. Okay. Yeah. High school. Yeah. 2000.
00:13:32
Speaker
College, I'm still waiting to matriculate. I'm still paying, but I just didn't happen to graduate. That's a bummer. Just for like the next 25 years. Sure. Yeah, that's okay. Easy. Add it to the overhead. Yeah, that's it. Where'd you go to school, Jackie?
00:13:56
Speaker
I went to college at the University of West Florida. Oh wow. Yes. That's in Pensacola. We call that LA or lower Alabama. Yeah. That's like the panhandling. Yes. Yeah. It's all the way at the very last, last stop before you hit Alabama.
00:14:13
Speaker
Any interesting tidbits about why the panhandle goes under Alabama? I don't know. I don't know why that's the case. Well, I'll tell you why. It's probably somebody was a little greedy for the shoreline and the Alabama people got pushed to the side. Yeah. Cause they just had that little, that little, yeah, they have orange beach. I think none of the, of the state extends down. It's a gorgeous, it's a gorgeous beach too. I'll tell you.
00:14:40
Speaker
What the Alabama one? Yeah. Well the whole panhandle is just phenomenal. And they make an Alabama beach like show. Yeah. Well, so there's a bar called Flora Bama and it's right on the border of Pensacola, you know, Florida, Alabama. They have this thing right here. Is that what you're talking about? No, it's a, it's a bar. I don't remember what road it is on. It has to be that one down at the bottom there, but it's called Flora Bama because it's literally the bar is on the line of Florida and Alabama. So yeah, Pensacola is awesome.
00:15:10
Speaker
Wow, it really is. I didn't know there were these. Far West. Yeah. You know, I try to keep this to myself, especially when I talk to New York's and New Jersey people, but, um, no offense, but, but yeah, we try to keep, keep all you guys sequestered down in Fort Lauderdale. I didn't know that they had these barrier islands like this. Yeah. Oh man. It's, they're phenomenal. And right over here, just go farther east, right down there. Yeah. This, uh, these two little, that peninsula there, phenomenal, phenomenal.
00:15:43
Speaker
We just sent some work out to Naples, which is what I like down there. That's a nice and Florida's got a lot of coastline. Florida's. Florida is awesome, I have to say. Now, granted, I come from like four generations of Floridians. So that's pretty deep. I would think that. Yeah.
00:16:07
Speaker
Florida, what the national idea of Florida, like when people from outside Florida, especially in the Northeast picture, Florida, well, it's sort of like you had a great word before. Like you said, there's a lot of red neckery. Oh, red neckery, yes. Yeah. Well, but so I don't think that most people think of Florida in that way. Like you said, you didn't realize it was so Southern. No. Yeah.
00:16:35
Speaker
I think of it as like a retirement village. Yeah. And I don't really know what else like a like a like a vacation destination. Yeah. Yeah. Well, so if you look at the map here where Orlando is, I would say everything south of Orlando is like kind of like that. But everything in the north is especially southern. It's a big state. It is.
00:17:00
Speaker
It takes 14 hours to get from the panhandle to the bottom. Wow. That's about how long it takes to get from New Jersey to Jacksonville. Yeah, exactly.
Why is New Jersey called the Garden State?
00:17:10
Speaker
It's a big state. It's funny because being from New York, I didn't know New Jersey had like what it's, you know, how it is around here where there's green and there's trees. Yeah. And I said, why do they call it the Garden State?
00:17:26
Speaker
Because I'm always imagining like all the, the gas tanks and everything like that. That's all I knew of New Jersey. Like over Newark. Yeah. And it's, you know, it's just ignorance, I guess, you know, when you, I can see how you think that I'm where I live now in New Jersey, I live out in farm country. So it is all rarely kind of the Garden State screen open.
00:17:52
Speaker
Yeah. That's a nice area of the state. Yeah. Well, that whole, you know, you have the, uh, soreland mountains. It's nice. Yeah. It was cool. What brought you up north to Yankee land? Well, um, my wife, um, I have, it always works that way. Yeah, it does drag us everywhere. Yeah. So we met in Florida and I was working at the university of Florida and she was finishing her PhD there. Nice. Gators. Yeah. Go Gators all day. And, uh,
00:18:21
Speaker
She was applying to jobs all over the place and I said, all right, whenever you get a job, we'll go wherever that is. And then we went to New Jersey. So she's a professor at Rutgers. So that's why we're here. What's subject? She is a doctor of applied behavior analysis. Oh man. What's it like being married to somebody?
00:18:47
Speaker
have like armchair analysis. She's a researcher. So she's not, you know, like psychoanalyzing me or anything. I will say she's an expert at behavioral shaping.
00:19:06
Speaker
Oh God. My sisters are Rutgers alum. They're huge Rutgers fans. Oh man. They're playing in what? The pinstripe bowl or something I heard at Yankee Stadium. Well, I went to one Rutgers game and I sat in the horn section. No. Like musical instrument horns? No, there is a, there is a horn that, that
00:19:28
Speaker
sounds, I don't know, every 10 seconds or something. And it is so freaking loud in this section. And we were like, wow, this is, I don't know how this maintains. I don't know how this continues. It must've been the student section or something. Where people can tolerate that sort of thing. But it was cool. I went to one, it was like Virginia Tech or something. I must've still been in high school. I just don't remember. You know.
00:19:55
Speaker
Back then it was fine, but now it's like, I don't want to be anywhere near that. It's just a bunch of drunk people looking to fight and yeah.
00:20:03
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Yeah. So how's she like Rutgers? She loves it. She's pursuing her research dreams. So she really loves it. She's doing really well. Does she have tenure? Not yet. She's on tenure track. Oh, that's awesome. So I would think probably in the next one to two years, she'll start to apply for tenure. That would be a beautiful thing. Definitely. I mean, tenure professor. I mean, that's, that's impressive.
00:20:28
Speaker
It is impressive. She worked really hard to get that. Yeah, I admire that. You could pass that along. I thought I might want to be a professor. It's a lot of work. I mean, first, just to get a PhD, you don't just walk in and get a PhD. It's a lot of work. You have to be selected and all this other stuff.
00:20:51
Speaker
It's incredible. You know, I think it's funny and I'll tell the story. She tells it too. It's fine. But you know, she always says, you know, she finished her undergrad with a 2.9 GPA and now she has a PhD. So it's, you know, it's helped for everybody. Absolutely. And Rutgers has some like huge research programs. Like it's a, it's a big school for that kind of.
00:21:14
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Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of funding for doing cool stuff. But I think, you know, as a professor, that's like part of your job is to get the funding. So a lot of grant writing and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. It's not all just teaching those kids. It's not all just teaching. No, no. I've been to a party or two at Rutgers. That's funny, though, because like a lot of our friends, you know, they all have PhDs. Oh, geez. But they're cool, you know.
00:21:44
Speaker
Yeah. I liked going to college. That was really one of the best times of my life. I really enjoyed it. I enjoyed college as well. From what I can remember, it was good. Yeah. Where'd you go to college? West Virginia University.
00:22:02
Speaker
He was a WVU. Yeah. And wait, where did you go? Well, originally I went to Arizona state, but I, I'm an alumni of, uh, or do you say alumnus? I got my, uh, degree at the new school.
00:22:17
Speaker
Wait, where's that at? It's in Manhattan. Manhattan. Okay. You know, of the new school. I've heard of the new school. Yeah. It's like, it's like very, um, it's lefty. Yeah. Like pick your own major or whatever you want. Yeah. You can, you know, yeah. I'm trying to think of some wild things. I majored in podcasting. I have reactions to it one way or another.
00:22:40
Speaker
It sounds great to me. I mean, there's like a new school on middle road. That's like for, it's like Monmouth County new school, which is like similar kind of idea for kids where, you know, it's a very, um, personalized choose your own, um, whatever, uh, focus a study kind of thing. Yeah. That's cool. The new school, one thing that's super cool about it is
00:23:01
Speaker
They have a very small group of teachers that are tenured, but most of the subjects are taught by people from the, you know, the business and private sector. So if you like, I took a class in economics and was taught by a woman from Honduras who worked for the World Bank. Wow.
00:23:25
Speaker
So they'll, you know, it's not like a typical economics class. She'll teach you about what happened when like a hurricane goes through Honduras and how it takes like a hundred years for them to recover because they have to borrow all this money from, you know, us. So it really changes your viewpoint, I think, for the better.
00:23:51
Speaker
It rounds you out in the way that I think college is supposed to round you out. Yeah, you should be getting some practical understanding of real scenarios that happen, if not hands-on stuff, but other than just theory.
00:24:07
Speaker
Right. It's not just, you know, memorizing numbers and, you know, macro and micro and this and that. Yeah. It was supposed to get out of your bubble. It was very, very enlightening. Right. I recommend it if anybody ever has the opportunity to go there. Cool. There's the plug for New School. Yeah. Not sponsored. That's right. Mosaic emails us as if they're raising prices for 2024. Thanks. That's been happening. My gym just raised the prices.
00:24:35
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Yeah. Here we go. Anybody of lowering prices? No. QuickBooks. It's like every, every three months they're like, Hey, just let you know we're raising prices $5 every month. Yeah. I know it's like $120 a month now. I think for QuickBooks crazy, crazy. Hey, side note. I just sent my first new doors quote to a potential client. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. Hopefully it works out. Nice.
00:25:05
Speaker
I haven't heard back yet, but I went on, you know, new doors and was playing around. It's cool. Very, very cool. Very cool. I was excited to learn about that. Yeah. The Allmoxi like user interface is pretty good. We have a drawer company that we've used before and that's what they use is Allmoxi. And it's, it's, I mean, it's no simpler or it doesn't get any more simple than just like drop down menus. Yeah. You know, it was really easy. What are they looking for?
00:25:31
Speaker
Um, so they had contacted me because they wanted to, so I have, I used to do cabinetry before timber. So there is a little bit of background there, but they had wanted me to, um, they saved all their old cabinet doors and drawer fronts and they'd wanted me to make that, you know, refinish them because they have paint on them.
00:25:52
Speaker
and also add a shaker style trim around it. Oh, they're just like slab doors? Yeah, they're just like slab doors and they have a little bit of a round over on the edges. They're exactly like my kitchen cabinets actually.
00:26:10
Speaker
And I kind of was like, man, I really think you guys should just get new doors. There you go. We paid attention at the, that's great. Yeah. But I mean, I really do kind of think they'd be happier. I mean, it's a lot of work to, it's a lot of work. Yeah.
00:26:24
Speaker
And then my colleague Jesse was like, are they warped? What kind of condition are they in? And I was like, no, I actually don't know. I just saw them stacked. I don't know what condition they're in. And she wanted soft closed hinges as well. So I would need to drill all those hinge holes, which I don't really have any kind of a jig to do that. I mean, I could get the guys to see and see it, but so I was like, let's just give her this quote for new doors and see what happens.
00:26:48
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. So that little bay window thing that we're building is, um, it has the, which we, we kind of scoff at the, uh, inset panels, you know, where it's, it's panels, but they're inset like a door, um, which we were just talking about like last week. It's like, why do people do that? You know, it's like, it's not a functioning door. Right. Anyway, this is going to be a drawer and this is going to be a drawer, but we're going to buy these from new door.
00:27:17
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Oh, perfect. Yeah, so we'll just make the face frame, buy these from those guys. You have to add a little molding in there because they're trying to match something. Right. When you need the right saw blade for the job, put your trust in Ridge Carbide tools. For over 50 years, Ridge Carbide has been producing industrial saw blades designed with exact specifications for the cutting results you expect. Before you buy, call Ridge Carbide and they'll help determine the right tool that meets your needs and your budget.
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00:28:05
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Everyone's obsessed with matching. You know, it's like the kitchen's like over there, but they're like, the doors need to match. Same. Yeah. The same with this person as well. Yeah. But luckily, you know, Shaker style is pretty easy. So yeah, I was going to guess white Shaker. It's actually, it, it might be white. I don't remember the color actually. It's probably some kind of off white or a hint of gray situation. You guys doing the top as well.
00:28:33
Speaker
Yeah, so that'll just be plywood. And I'm thinking we'll just do inch and a half edge banding, like one millimeter solid white oak edge banding. Yeah, you can't beat that. So I ordered two sheets of, I called up Fez, who's our plywood supplier. And I'm like, yeah, I need three quarter inch flats on white oak on MDF core. I forget if they didn't have it or something, but they were like, we have shop grade.
00:29:04
Speaker
white oak on MDF core or we have rifts on white oak on MDF core. And the rift was like, it was actually like $2 cheaper. I don't know why than the, than the plain slice stuff.
00:29:18
Speaker
So I bought two sheets because this is like 25 and you know, just can't eat the whole thing out of eight feet. Um, and then they delivered it and they sent the, the, uh, saleswoman had it right on the invoice, but they sent one sheet of flats on and one sheet of riffs on them. I'm like, what the hell? Yeah. So tomorrow we got a flip flop there. We gotta exchange that out. Yeah. So, okay. Um, you used to be a chef. Yeah.
00:29:45
Speaker
and a musician. Yeah. And you used to... I worked at restaurants too. I worked like in the front of the house. So I was a waiter, a bartender, like assistant GM kind of thing. So this is your second career kind of. Yeah. I mean, I did that for 10 years. Yeah. And when did you jump on over here to woodworking and carpentry and stuff?
00:30:05
Speaker
Um, about 20 something years ago, low twenties, just had an assessed. I was a teacher. Wow. Yeah. I taught high school. Cool. What, what did you teach history? So you
00:30:24
Speaker
I got called into my supervisor's office more than one occasion. Wow. Yeah. I love history. I kind of want to know what you were telling him now. Like, why did you get called in? I was telling the truth too often. I'm from the new school.
00:30:42
Speaker
Right, right. Rob from the new school is giving you too much information right now. He wouldn't make it now. Somebody censor Rob fast. These kids might learn some things. Yeah. Yeah. The kids, I mean, I really love the kids. The kids love me. Yeah.
00:30:59
Speaker
I got along great with the administration, not so much. And when I came out to New Jersey, well, I met my wife who was also a teacher. We came out to New Jersey. And while I was waiting to get my teacher's license for New Jersey, because she needed a different license.
00:31:22
Speaker
I was working while I was in school for this commercial contractor in New York. And so I went back to work. I was commuting to New York. And while I was on that job, somebody said, you know, we need this railing made. And I said, oh, I can do that. So I did that. And he gave me a job at his house making a mantle. And I said. That's nepotism.
00:31:50
Speaker
Yeah, I said I could do this, you know while I'm waiting for yeah I said worst-case scenario. I'll go back to work in the restaurant, right? And just a little by little, you know, I worked out in my basement a couple years later built a shop and
00:32:05
Speaker
And it's just sort of like I meandered around thinking that one day something will come up. Yeah. Nothing ever came up. So you just kept rolling, rolling in this direction. I went with the breeze. That's good. Like a slow build. I love that. You know, I was never one to plan things out too far in advance. Right. Yeah. So just a little bit of luck, I think helped.
00:32:33
Speaker
Yeah, that's good. And you so you were you worked. So you've been self employed and then you worked for cabinet. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, I injured one of my elbows and I really had a hard time working by myself. It's, you know, it's hard to work by yourself.
00:32:54
Speaker
I sort of tore my bicep tendon. Oh, wow. And it took a long time to heal. And I had met Thomas. He had helped me out of a jam with this. He got his finisher, Al, to finish a piece for me. And Thomas was always saying, oh, come work for me. Come work. He's got the same pitch he gave Jeff.
00:33:19
Speaker
That's how we both ended up at Thomas. You know, one thing I'll say about Thomas is he's always got a good crew. That's great. He's always got a good crew.
00:33:30
Speaker
So, yeah, went to work for Thomas and our paths kind of crossed there. And eventually we started working together, Jeff and I. Yeah. And I said, you know, I got this shop sitting empty at the back of my house. Why don't we, you know, do something? Do something on the side. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. We were always sick of the way that Tom wanted to do everything. You know, he's a real corner cutter.
00:33:52
Speaker
Yeah. Oh God. You're like, we can't even begin to explain. Like you have to witness it yourself. It's the only way to fully comprehend. And we get news back from people that work there now and they're like, it's crazier than it's ever been. It's like, how could it possibly have gotten any crazier than it was back then? Yeah. You know, using two different species of plywood and on a cabinet case. And that's like a tame, you know, like not, you know,
00:34:22
Speaker
Some of the stuff though, you know, we won't, we won't get into it. Like this, you know, using slides that were longer than the cabinet and like cutting a hole in the wall. Stuff you just kind of like your head starts to hurt. We could just buy a couple of, you know, pairs of slides. They're like, you know, $15. That's funny. Yeah. Oh, wow. What about your path into the trades?
Jackie's Career Transition to Carpentry
00:34:51
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Um, this is my second career. So I had my, my first career was, um, I worked in, in, um, leadership development, student development, adult development and outdoor education. So I used to do, um, like wilderness guiding and education and stuff like that. So I had a whole career of wilderness expedition type thing. And then, um, I would say my late thirties, I said, you know, I had always wanted to be a carpenter.
00:35:20
Speaker
Always. And I was late in life and I said, I have no experience. How am I going to do this? So I cold called this cabinet guy out in, uh, Pittstown, New Jersey. And the only reason he answered the phone was because he thought I was his tenant named Jackie in Florida. Wow. That's some coincidence. I will say. And so then I just, uh, I talked him into giving me an interview.
00:35:46
Speaker
And I went in and I think he had originally, and I said, you know, I really don't have much experience, um, at all. And, but I had, you know, all this work experience as professional. I think he was kind of looking for someone to be like kind of more managerial. Um, and I jumped in and started working and, and really got a wild, uh, saturated experience in a year and a half time in this cabinet company. It was just me and one guy.
00:36:17
Speaker
and the owner. And so I got to do everything from, you know, demoing a kitchen all the way to install and finishing. Um, what was the shop like, you know, as far as machinery and tooling and he had, um, there was no CNC. He had, um, it was at his house and you know, he had one table saw in the middle of the room. He had a chop saw, he had a panel saw. Um, he did have a really nice, um,
00:36:47
Speaker
Hinge press great. Um Yeah, pretty and he had a little finishing room He had like a little garage that he turned into a finishing area. That's cool. It was interesting. Yeah And to be honest with you I wanted to get out of there as soon as possible And then I uh
00:37:10
Speaker
I found I was on, um, the Monmouth, what is it called? The wood joint school. I was like, I want to take a class. I love, I like taking classes and stuff. And I saw, I was like, I'm just going to click on this job site thing just to see what's up. And I saw that timber had posted a position. So I called on you and talked to her and had an interview. And now here I am.
00:37:32
Speaker
Well, that's cool. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so we're all on our, I mean, you guys are on second careers. I'm on my 12th career. But, um, that's why I like when we talked to Corey, you know, out in Long Island, like he, he's his friend of ours and he wanted to do
00:37:55
Speaker
what he's doing. You know, he has his own shop and everything ever since he was just a little kid. Yeah. Like he started professionally at 16, you know? Wow. That's a dream really. Yeah. I mean, my earliest thing was I wanted to be a veterinarian when I was a kid. Yeah. I think I was like, I want to be a marine biologist. What about you, Jeff? What was your earliest? Um, I wanted to be like a, like in restaurants, you know, since I was pretty young.
00:38:25
Speaker
Where'd that come from, you think? I always liked, you know, cooking show like Emerald Live was like a big show when I was like probably like 10 years old. And I remember watching that. Yeah. And then, you know, obviously I fell out of love with that whole Emerald thing because it was just too.
00:38:43
Speaker
I feel like that's how a lot of things are. You get like that Dunning Kruger where in the beginning you're like, oh, this person knows everything. And then you're like, wait a minute, this guy doesn't know it. You know, once you start to learn a little bit, you're like, your heroes become like clowns. Right. That's sad, I know. Yeah. And then, you know, I started working in restaurants at whatever the youngest you can work, 13 or 14.
00:39:05
Speaker
And all throughout high school, you know, I had planned, like, I wanted to go to Johnson and Wales. And then as I continued to work and, you know, was looking at going to college, I'm like, looking around, I'm like, man, I'm like, this is a pretty tough existence. Like, you know, I'm looking at all the old time. And like, I worked in nice restaurants and, you know, you look in the kitchen and these guys are just
00:39:29
Speaker
I've been through the ringer they're all disgruntled and yeah and like bodies are broken in the similar. So I was like I'm and I was a sports medicine class and I played football and stuff and and.
00:39:46
Speaker
And I was really into that. So then I said, I'll go to school for athletic training. And then, you know, you get to school and it's your freshman year, first semester, and there's like 200 kids in this thing. They're like, all right, so only 40 people are going to make it into the program.
00:40:03
Speaker
Well, I definitely know that I'm not, you know, I'm not going to be in this top 40 out of 200. You know, so then I was a sociology major. I thought maybe I'd become an attorney or do I had a big interest in doing like, I don't know what you would call it, like sort of like social rehab where like maybe people that got out of prison and you help them react. I don't know. I'm not sure what the term for that would be, but
00:40:32
Speaker
And then I just sort of fell into this in like 2012. Yeah, Zandi hit... What did you trip over? Well, Zandi hit the restaurant where I was working and I picked up part-time work. That was that. Cool. Yeah.
00:40:49
Speaker
And so like, how did you get experience? Did you? Fear. Yeah, basically. Would you say fear? Fear and YouTube. Yeah, that was it, you know? Yeah. So I worked for a guy first and basically what we were doing is just like.
00:41:04
Speaker
cutting sheet rocket two feet and ripping it out and putting in basically just trying to fix these flooded homes, like just get people back into their houses. And I did that for, I don't know, maybe a year. And then work kind of dried up with him and I went back to bartending for a little bit.
00:41:23
Speaker
And then my girlfriend at the time, my wife now, she's a hairdresser and one of her clients, she was like, oh yeah, my husband's a custom builder. So then I, you know, talked to him on the phone, ended up going to work for him for, let's say five years.
00:41:46
Speaker
And then I got a job at TCC in cabinets. Yeah. I was like a, you know, uh, ended up as like the lead finished carpenter for a custom builder before I felt I had hit that sort of knowledge and definitely pay ceiling. It was like, all right, I've gone as far as I can go here. It's time to try and move to the next. Yeah.
00:42:08
Speaker
That's almost like the restaurant business, too. That's why it's it's so fluid. You know, people move from location to location. Right. You hit the pay ceiling, you hit the now you've taken in everything you could learn in that kitchen and then you just go somewhere else. It's yeah. Otherwise, you're going to be cooking the same chicken fran cheese for the next 25 years.
00:42:28
Speaker
Yeah, I couldn't do it. I was listening to that one episode with Walter and he said, yeah, we did the same exact thing every single day. We made the same cabinets every single day that would really, I couldn't do it. I like to have a lot of variety in what I do.
00:42:41
Speaker
Yeah. That's what I liked catering. Yeah. Yeah. It was, everything was always different and every event was different. If you had a bad night, next night was going to be completely different. So it wasn't going to happen again. That's a good way to look at it. Yeah. So how do you like finishing now that you're like full time doing just finishing? Yeah. Full time finishing is cool. Um, I don't think I've ever been so challenged.
00:43:06
Speaker
in anything I've ever done. It is very challenging. It's hard. And the things that I'm doing are also difficult. You know, we're doing candy paint. I'm putting automotive paint on a hunk of plywood, basically. But I like it a lot. It's really cool. And it's been changing a lot too. So we used to have guys that were just like their whole role was just surface prep.
00:43:31
Speaker
I was going to ask, are you doing all your own prep work? I'm doing all my own prep work now. And there's a lot about that that I like, you know, because I think I can do it a little bit faster than someone who I think there's a lot to be said about doing prep work.
00:43:47
Speaker
And then also to finishing it, to really understand what you're doing when you're doing the prep work. Does that make sense? It's nice to have ownership over something. Yeah. Where it's like, you know, let's say this guy is prepping this stuff and he gives it to you, you start to spray it and you're like, oh, what happened, you know, here. Right. Now it's all on you. You have total control over, you know,
00:44:08
Speaker
Yeah, and I think I also know what I can get away with versus someone who hasn't seen it all the way through that paint process, wouldn't know that. And so they might spend a little bit more time. We have to think about efficiency. If we have all the time in the world, then you just take your time and find every tiny little thing.
00:44:30
Speaker
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00:44:59
Speaker
on the three by four for all of our sanding at that point. And the nice part about the three by four is getting into your panels. And we've mentioned it before, you know, it's a nice fast way to sand, but it's not so aggressive that you're going to burn through. So check them out. You don't have all the time in the world over there? No, we don't.
00:45:21
Speaker
So we have a lot of pieces right now. We have, we have four pieces right now in Miami doing a design Miami, um, which is cool. Yeah. But to answer your question, I like it. I like it a lot. That's good. It's good to go to work every day and like what you're doing. Yeah, it is cool. And of course the guys at timber and I say guys, cause they are all guys, um, except for Anya are great.
00:45:45
Speaker
I genuinely love all of them. They're fantastic. Even the folks up on the carpet? Even the guys on the carpet. Oh man. That's another great expression. I learned that at the cabinet shop.
00:46:00
Speaker
This Czech guy that I worked with, he was the only other guy that was there. And he taught me a lot. He taught me how to carry a piece of plywood properly, which has been helpful. He said he would say, oh, yeah, they're on the carpet. And I was like, what are you talking about? He's like, because they don't work on the shop floor. They're literally sitting on carpet all day. We don't even have carpet in the office. We are on some carpet right now. All rug.
00:46:26
Speaker
How's your experience been in the trades as a woman in the trades?
Challenges and Support as a Woman in Trades
00:46:30
Speaker
Yeah, I would say great question. Um, I tend, I don't know what it is. I keep going. I've always picked fields that are male dominated. Um, I guess it's just where my interests lie, which is fine. Um, so far so good. My first job in the cabinet shop was challenging for me. I really was, um, in many different ways, but at timber and
00:46:54
Speaker
And ever since I left that place, everybody just looks at me like I'm another person in the shop and it feels really good, you know? It's just, I mean, I don't have a ton of experience in the trades up to this point, but so far so good. Yeah. You got to get out on a couple of job sites to feel that the stare. Yeah. No, I have definitely experienced that before and it's a little bit, a little bit awkward. But, you know, I mean, if I'm really going to talk real to you, I, you know, and I don't mind it.
00:47:24
Speaker
It's like, you know, I think I have to be, I think I'm always like a little bit protective of myself right off the bat, you know, um, you know, I, I'm like really mindful about what I'm wearing and, you know, am I gonna, you know, I'm like, who's behind me when I'm going to bend over to pick this thing up and, you know, like things like that, you know, all the things we don't have to give a second thought to as guys. Yeah. Just, it's just, you know, but, but, but over time, you know, you start to learn people and you know, that, you know, you feel safe and comfortable and it's all just, it's, it's all the same.
00:47:53
Speaker
You know, when I started in it, like as a line cook in the eighties, there were no women in the kitchen. Right. And I worked with, had a good friend, became good friends with this woman. She was a girl really, you know, at the time when I was a boy, she was a girl.
00:48:09
Speaker
And she had the hardest time because like the dishwashers wouldn't like pick up her stuff. And like every now and again, I come back and you'd be in tears and on the line. So thank goodness. Uh, I would say for the most part, we've come a little bit further. Definitely. Definitely. I look forward to the time when I'm less of a unicorn and more of a, you know,
00:48:35
Speaker
I talked about it before when I was a finished carpenter, I had a helper, Leilani, and a very similar story. She was like in her mid to late 30s, had a career and she just wanted to get out of like this corporate bullshit, whatever she was doing. She was the best. I couldn't train anybody else to do things the way that I wanted them to be done. And she was amazing. Yeah.
00:49:01
Speaker
I think it's cool. I hope that more, I think a lot of women want to do this type of stuff and they're great at it, just like anybody else would be great at it. But for some reason, there's just aren't too many people that actually do it. I have a theory and I think it's great that there are more girls in STEM.
00:49:19
Speaker
Because I think something happens in middle school when things start to get really gendered and, and, you know, you know, shop classes for boys and, you know, building things is for boys and math is for boys and this and that and the other thing. I think that's changing. So that's good. Yeah. I taught one semester of middle school. It's insane.
00:49:40
Speaker
Yeah, middle school is a weird time. All the girls are like a foot taller than the boys and they're looking at the boys, you know, more romantically and the boys are children. Yes. Fighting on the floor. It's it was nuts. Yeah, middle school was not a weird time for everybody. Now it's even like my niece is 10 and you could see she's already like becoming more of a woman than like a little girl at 10 already. It's like this is crazy. It's frightening.
00:50:09
Speaker
But thanks for asking that question. Yeah, it's a good one. Yeah. It's funny because it didn't even occur to me. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know why. Leilani, she works in a shop now. Yeah, she left shortly after I left. But she's still doing it. She was good. Yeah. Well, at spray day for Nate, there were how many women were there?
00:50:34
Speaker
There were two other women. One of them, one of them was a business owner, does refinishing stuff, I think. And then the other woman, I actually have no idea what she did. I think she was like a project manager. Oh, that was the one that caught my interior design, I think, or something. Yeah. She was elusive about what she did. I asked her about three or four times. Yeah. Yeah. So maybe she was just, you know, just trying to learn something new, you know. Yeah.
00:51:02
Speaker
Yeah. Um, yeah. And I, and there's a lot of, um, what would you say, like, what would you call the, the folks that are on TV that kind of, you know, doing the home Renault shows? I mean, at least you see people that, you know, look like you, so to speak. I mean, that's always the first step to envision. Okay. Well, you know, there's a woman doing,
00:51:27
Speaker
I'll never forget that show that I watch. I don't really love watching those shows first of all, but when I was younger, I can't remember, there was one woman, the first female carpenter I'd ever seen, was on, remember that guy named Ty? Yes. Yeah, yeah. It was like an older show. Extreme home makeover or something. Something like that. And this was like, you know, a long time ago. And she was always just in the background. She didn't really do much talking, but she was like working. And I was like, that's badass.
00:51:54
Speaker
How can I be her? Yeah. There were one or two shows before, you know, it got so crazy. Like when there was only like one network that had these shows, right? There were like one or two shows where there was like a legit woman. Yeah. I can't remember which ones they were, but, um, you know, Nancy Heller. No, she, she passed away. Unfortunately, I think like, uh, last year, two years ago, amazing.
00:52:20
Speaker
furniture maker. I've got a bunch of her books. Yeah. Cool. She was like a big Taunton. Were they Taunton press books? I think so. Yeah. I think I do get, I do get a little bit frustrated because there isn't a lot of great representation of women doing real, not real work, but real carp, good carpentry work.
00:52:42
Speaker
but a lot of these now home makeover shows are like husband and wife and the wife is like doing the interior decorating and putting out the colors and doing like a very kind of gender role-y. Doing the girly stuff. Yeah, doing the girly stuff. And then the guys like walks into the room with a sledgehammer and like gets filmed knocking down a wall and then like probably walks away and goes and has a cup of coffee while everybody else does the work. It's very easy to tell that the man is not proficient in the actual part of the anyway.
00:53:11
Speaker
They're like put on this final shirt and this brand new tool belt. Yes. Make sure you grow your beard out a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's too funny. That was like that show. Make was it making fun with Jimmy DiResta? Oh yeah. Yeah. I don't know if you had seen that, but it was like Jimmy DiResta. And it was like, it was just like four
00:53:32
Speaker
40 year old white guys with beards and flannel shirts, like making stuff. And I mean, it wasn't bad. It was like marketed towards kids on Netflix. They made these wacky sort of contraptions and it was pretty good, but I have a feeling that's why it didn't get renewed because it was just very like, like these are all the same guy, basically. Right. There's no, it was like a little flat. Diversification.
00:53:56
Speaker
Yeah, it's you know, it's funny. When we're on the job, everybody thinks I'm Jeff's dad.
00:54:05
Speaker
thing. Speaking of stereotype, what's the old guy doing with the young guy? Where's your pops today, Jeff? Somebody has probably said that exact thing to me before. You and your pops want a burrito for lunch. I'm going out. But that's what people think. You know, you can't stop. No, it's all good.
00:54:30
Speaker
Oh, it's funny though. I mean, we can't even count the number of times people have said that because they can't wrap their head around why two people with an age difference. Yeah. Could be joined in any other way. Yeah. Or they think I'm the helper. Like I had the one lady like gave me like $20. Oh really? Oh my God. I was on, I was at the cabinet job and I showed up and, and, um, somebody was speaking to the owner. The owner of the house was talking to the owner of the company and said, yeah, you can just get your cleaning girl.
00:55:01
Speaker
And I was like, oh my God, okay, I'm the cleaning girl now. Can you just get your cleaning girl to sweep up?
00:55:08
Speaker
Oh, man. We had a girl helper for a while. Remember that? What was her name? Was it Tasia? No, something like that. That was like a little bit before I had a girl. I used to have helpers in the shop. Yeah. And I had these two young boys, brothers for like 10 or 11 years consecutively, like they'd start when they were like in the seventh grade. Wow. You know, come and sweep up after school. Yeah.
00:55:33
Speaker
So I always, um, because I was crazy about cleaning up the shop every day. Cause it was such a small space. So every day I would sweep and vacuum. Right. So I used to have the kids come over and I had this girl. I can't remember her name. It wasn't Tara, was it? Tara. He's got the best memory. It's fading. Oh, that makes me want to guess your Zodiac sign. Yeah, go for it.
00:56:01
Speaker
Scorpio. Cool. I'm pretty good at that. Aquarius. I knew it. Trick question. Oh man. So what's my Scorpio sign? Well, you're not a Scorpio clearly. Let's see. My wife's a Scorpio. I think you might be like a Pisces.
00:56:23
Speaker
I'm an Aries. Oh, see, I told you I was good at this. Third career upcoming. Future palm reader. We could set up like a little thing. Like I could have like the neon sign. Yeah. Yeah. Come in here and get your palm read. It will be absolute bullshit, but that's industry standard. We're going to tell you right up front though. Yeah. Right. Give me $20 and I'll tell you false information. There you go.
00:56:54
Speaker
You have a dead relative, don't you? Yeah. Someone that you know has died. Yes. At some point. You've been to a funeral.
00:57:01
Speaker
Yeah. Well, just a touch lightly on, um, the women in the trades thing.
Technique vs. Strength in Trades
00:57:07
Speaker
So much I think is, is made of like the, the heavy lifting part when it's really not, it's more about attention to detail, perseverance and all these other things. So many other things. Yeah. It's not your ability to lift 75 pounds. Right. Well, on that note, on that topic, I'll say,
00:57:28
Speaker
Two things, one, a little bit of technique goes a long way when it comes to carrying things. And I'm not a big person, so I can say that. And the second thing is every single person needs help carrying things and should get help carrying things. Because that's how you get hurt. That's how you get hurt. And then over time, you know, you do it for 30 years and you're carrying plywood by yourself or sheetrock or whatever, you're going to regret it over time. Yeah, we already do.
00:57:57
Speaker
So, so I guess, yeah, that's a really good point. It doesn't matter who you are, how strong you are, how small you are, how big you are, you have to have help. Yeah. And you just have to ask for it. And you probably haven't talked your way into two jobs with little experience for those jobs. You must have all these other qualities in abundance.
00:58:19
Speaker
Yes, actually. Well, I mean, there's all the things that you can't teach people, like showing up ready to work on time, good attitude, pleasant demeanor, remembers what you're taught, all these things. I mean, that's how you get ahead in life. It's true. Yeah. There's all these harder to train
00:58:44
Speaker
qualities. Right. They can learn how to use the tools. Right. Yeah. We can figure out a way to move heavy things. Yes. Because there's always something that's too heavy for anybody to move. Exactly. We have the wheel. We have a forklift. Yeah. Or like a little dolly or, you know, whatever. Right. I think a lot of it is, you know, um, I mean, we've seen in, in different shops and on job sites, sort of the
00:59:09
Speaker
Machismo is not the right word. It's like a, it could be like an old boys club and men, some men feel they don't want to be invaded upon, you know, where they have to watch what they say and do. That's a lot of it, I think. But there's that. Well, I think too, I think, you know, being a, being a carpenter and being able to build things was, I think a real sign of masculinity for a really long time and still is, you know? And, and, and I think that,
00:59:38
Speaker
for a lot of guys, maybe if a woman can do it, then it takes away from that thing for them. I wish my wife could do some of this shit. Yeah. But you know what I mean? I mean, I'm not going to talk about psychology, but somebody else could teach is going to have to teach her. But right. Right. Right. But there's I always like to what's that analogy? Like it doesn't take away the light on my candle. Right. Another candle. Yeah, totally. Totally.
01:00:06
Speaker
I mean, it was because I was watching something on Instagram and they were going around. I think you guys know Barstool Sports. Yeah. Is that the guy with the pizza does the pizza thing? I don't know. It's a ridiculous thing. And somebody was walking around and said, what is the most manly thing that a man can do? And most people said something related to building your own thing. And so I was just, oh, that makes sense to me, except that, you know, kind of falls in line with what I was just saying, you know,
01:00:36
Speaker
that that is seen as like a really manly thing to do. And it is great. But I think when we have that view of carpentry and building things, then there's no room for a woman if that's the only way it's viewed.
01:00:50
Speaker
Yeah. And you know, it's funny, Jeff, I don't know if you've felt this, but sometimes in going in the opposite direction, like we want to be seen as designers and not decorators, but we want our opinions to matter. Yeah.
01:01:06
Speaker
on that side of things. People don't, usually people look at us and go. I never thought about that. That's a really good point. It's funny because we value our own thoughts and opinions on this topic. Yeah. Absolutely. Thanks for saying that. I hadn't even thought of that, how that might go in that direction yet. It's funny. I wouldn't trust myself in that direction to be honest.
01:01:29
Speaker
just goes to show you people are shitty. That's what we've come away with. I've met some really great people including you guys and you feel very welcome and it's great.
01:01:43
Speaker
Yeah, it's cool. I mean, it's funny. We really didn't even know you until a couple of weeks ago. Like we walked in and we're like, huh, they got timber shirts on. Now we got a new friend. Indeed. Yeah, that's great. You guys are like local celebrities. So I was like, Oh, the green tree guy.
01:02:01
Speaker
Green Street guys are going to be there. Oh, man. Kingsburg celebrities. It's us. And like the guy who got arrested last night. I mean, I even put on my best boots that day because I knew you guys were going to be there. Oh, man. Well, let's reiterate that you are the Golden Door winner. Yeah, let's reiterate that. That's A-list, Kingsburg. Oh, man.
01:02:27
Speaker
Well, thanks guys. I feel like I should get back to work now. Yeah. You're probably, you tell them we kept you. Yeah. I'll, I'll, I'll have them send you the bill. We'll email on you. Yeah. Listen, before you even get back there, um, tell everybody where they can find you on social, if you want on social, of course. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I will. I will all my 800 followers. Well, it's going to be more after this. Oh good. Yeah, great. Cool. Thanks guys so much. Yeah. Well, where are they finding you?
01:02:57
Speaker
Oh, um, my Instagram handle is jack.ash.mat. Two T's. Jack.ash.mat. Yeah. And we'll tag you when we put out, we'll put out like a real or something from the show on the Instagram. I'm available for finishing needs and all that stuff too. I do, I do a side stuff as well. So I'm kind of looking to get into that a little more. That's awesome.
01:03:22
Speaker
Yeah, like I was telling Rob, we're actually at big restaurant. They have something else. It's like a high gloss closet. I was like, yeah, something just came across my desk. I know somebody now. It's good to know people. Absolutely.
01:03:40
Speaker
Yeah. That's, that's really it. I mean, that's, you know, we were talking a little bit about social media, not to get too far off the rails as we close up, but it's, it's broadened our circle of friends and, um, colleagues greatly. It's really been one of the big benefits for me personally. Yeah. Like the guilds that used to be around, but now it's, you know, via your cell phone and it's bigger, wider. Yeah. Yeah.
01:04:10
Speaker
Which is cool. All right. All right. Thanks for listening. Thanks for coming. Thank you so much. Won't be the last time if it's our choice. Same. We'd love to have you on again. Awesome. Yeah. All right. Thanks. Bye. We truly appreciate you listening. If you want to support the show, leave us a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Share the show with your friends or consider subscribing to our Patreon. We'll see you next week.
01:05:01
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Yeah!