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The Inaugural Pod!
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The first ever NSFW Dynasty Podcast!
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Introduction to NSW Dynasty Podcast
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Speaker
All righty, welcome to the first ever episode of the NSW dynasty podcast. I'm your host, Dave Reed. I am joined by my co-host Ryan Wilkison. What's going on guys? And Joey Gallo. What's up everyone?
00:00:19
Speaker
It is Friday night of the NFL Draft. It's a little bit past 9 p.m. The second round has just been completed. So also all of our kids are officially down and we are ready to talk some football over a couple drinks.
Podcast Objectives and Plans
00:00:31
Speaker
Now this podcast is dedicated to the nonstop fantasy weekly dynasty league that will officially be kicking off this Monday when we start our startup draft.
00:00:41
Speaker
If you are listening to this, you are either a member of that dinosaur league, a spouse of the member of that dinosaur league, another family member or a friend of that person. Probably listen to podcasts in the car and don't have a choice to listen to or just some random person who can
00:00:56
Speaker
I stumbled across it so the NSFW name and are now very confused and disappointed by the content of this podcast. We intend to use this pod just as another element of fun for the league.
Startup Draft Overview
00:01:08
Speaker
During the offseason, we're going to like
00:01:12
Speaker
Keep ramping up at the end of certain events like the end of the startup draft the end of the rookie Draft and then as we get into preseason start ramping up a little bit more and once the season starts we'll try to do this weekly We will start doing lead trades and transactions the NFL news and impacts some power rankings some upcoming matchups a lot of trash talk and much much more and
00:01:34
Speaker
But first, we are days away from kicking off the startup draft. And I figured it'd be a good time to run through the rules and settings of the league and just also how the draft works. And so everyone is feeling prepared for this new year. So jump right into it.
00:01:49
Speaker
So as I mentioned, we have the startup draft coming up. It is a veterans only draft. That means all the rookies that are being drafted this weekend will not be included. It is 26 rounds because it is a super deep roster. That's how Dynasty works. It is snake style. So that means whoever has the last pick of the first one round will have the first pick of the next round. Linear is another style of draft, which we'll get into later. That's how the NFL drafts.
00:02:15
Speaker
It is a slow draft, so every pick will have eight hours, up to eight hours to make their pick. It doesn't mean you need to use all eight hours, and we'll get into that a little bit more, but you have the ability to wait eight hours to make your pick.
Benefits of a Slow Draft
00:02:28
Speaker
If you don't make your pick within those eight hours, you will be skipped. The next person will then be able to make their pick. You still can make your pick. You all just have to reach out to me, and I can manually input it, but you will have to pick from whoever's now available. If anyone after you made their pick, they are off the board.
00:02:45
Speaker
I will not be enforcing the time limit of the eight hours after 10 p.m. and between 10 p.m. and 8 a.m. because we all have lives and we do go to sleep, but within reason, if your eight hours ends at like 10.05 p.m., I'm probably gonna tell you like you shoot a major pick. And also, during the draft, all trades with your picks are not only allowed, but they are incurred. So if you wanna move up and get a player, you can. If you don't like anyone at your pick, you can move back.
00:03:13
Speaker
But those are the overarching rules of our startup draft. But with that, I want to open up some questions to some of my co-hosts here to figure out what we need to hit upon. Yeah, so I've talked to some friends, and they hear the eight hours per pic, and they think we're crazy. And I've never done it before. So why do you think the eight hours per pic is a good idea? What makes it more fun than a regular two minute per pic draft?
00:03:39
Speaker
Yeah, I can jump in, but Joe, let's toss it over to you. Yeah, so a couple things off the top of my head that I particularly like about the slow draft. It kind of allows you to, you know, like draft almost in real time as you're living your life, right? So you're like, you're at work and you get a notification on your phone. Someone just made a pic. Oh, let's see who the pic is. How many people until me start looking at who's there? Start looking at who you want.
00:04:06
Speaker
It basically enables you to not have to set a specific three to four or maybe even longer hour block that you would need to do like a 26 man draft. It also gives more time in between picks to contemplate who you want to take, right? Like the thing is you're drafting when you're drafting Dynasty startup. These are guys that you're going to have on your roster for the duration. There's never going to be another
00:04:36
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startup draft. So if you want to take an hour, two hours to decide who you want to pick, you have that ability to do that.
Trading Dynamics and Strategies
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Speaker
Third, Dave mentioned trades. There's a lot of instances where there's a guy maybe that you're really looking at that you really want and you want to kind of work out a, you know, I'll trade you, I'll trade up maybe two spots in the fifth round in exchange for, um, you know, your seventh or something of that nature.
00:05:04
Speaker
Um, it gives you the ability to spend time negotiating with other league members as well. So I think for me personally, I've always enjoyed the time period during this low draft because it's almost like I'm doing my normal day to day, but at the same time drafting, drafting a fantasy football team. And you know, when it gets close to my pick, then I start to think about who I'm going to draft. And, um, yeah, you know, like it's.
00:05:33
Speaker
I think that it's maybe not necessarily the best approach for a redraft, you know, like eight or nine person, but, you know, when you're talking like 26 guys for a fantasy startup, where it's the only like startup draft ever going to do it, I think it makes a lot of sense.
00:05:50
Speaker
Yeah. And also to Joe's point, I actually had a lot of fun. It's like, as you mentioned, like you're at work here at the end of the day, you never know when your pick is actually going to come up because it could fly through around, it could slow down. But it gives you something and this, don't get me wrong, it's going to take a long time. We're talking weeks here, it's going to take to finish this draft. But
00:06:11
Speaker
you have something constant kind of check on it. That's also like in the summer, there's no finish football going on, but in season, you're always checking your lineups. You got nothing else. So it's nice to have something constantly kind of check on, see what's going on. And I will say earlier in the draft, it's probably going to go a little bit faster because it's more the bigger names. People know who they want. Later in the draft, especially the later rounds, because it is deep, you're going for backups on teams.
00:06:35
Speaker
So you need the time to kind of look into it. You wouldn't, if we were doing this live, you would not have, there's no sheet that's going to have these guys' names on it. Like you have to like go deep. You're taking shots. These guys may not stay in your roster, but you're taking shots. And if they hit, that's like a huge benefit. So that's also why you need the extra time to kind of do that extra research. Yeah. Now that
League Structure and Scoring
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makes sense. And you guys both mentioned encouraging trades.
00:06:58
Speaker
Are there a lot of trades typically in Dynasty with an eight hour pick? Like do people generally trade up for picks or do people even try to trade after they've picked someone and then use that player to trade? Yeah, so I can jump in first. So what I commonly have found historically is, I guess two primary instances. One, you know, like you're, let's say,
00:07:26
Speaker
There's a guy in the league who is in need at running back and he and he sees there's a tier break at running back. There's one guy available and then everybody else after that is like in a different tier below that person. But there's maybe four people between his pick and the current pick.
00:07:43
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he might reach out to the person who's on the clock right now and say, hey, what would it cost for me to move up these four spots? So the proposition is, I'll move up to your spot, you move back to my spot in this round, and then what would I have to give you in exchange? The agreement might be, well, you're picking the next round, and then I'll trade you my pick in the round after that. So you'll move up four spots now, and then you'll move back
00:08:11
Speaker
The next round to the round after that another thing that I commonly see is you're on the clock and you don't feel strongly about any player and You see there are some guys up there that are potentially like let's say you're flush at wide receiver you went you had an early pick you went Justin Jefferson and then you picked another wide receiver in round two and now here we are in round four and there's Somehow like wide receivers on the board big-name guys you hear the league like the league chats popping off Talking about the wide receivers
00:08:42
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you don't need one, like, hey, who wants this pick? You know, like, come talk to me. You know, like, so those are the two instances where, like, it's not necessarily gonna be like a guarantee that it's going to happen, but my suspicion with the way things have started off in this league, this is like type of crowd that will be into that, so. Yeah, and the more trading, the more fun, right? So like, if people are willing to,
00:09:08
Speaker
You know, there's no there's no reason not to. It's all about getting your guy, right? You know, if you're if you want to get your guy in a given moment and you're willing to sacrifice like just you know. Later picks later value as a result then. Yeah, and to the point, especially talk about your guy like it.
00:09:27
Speaker
The thing about dynasties is you could potentially own this guy for their entire career versus redraft. So you were going to have more emotional attachment to certain players potentially and wanting to get that guy. So you'd be willing to make a jump up for it. The other thing is because it's dynasty, depending on how you're constructing your roster, if you're going all young or if you're going compete right now or you're just going for bets here and there,
00:09:51
Speaker
There's gonna be vastly different values so I read draft everyone kinda knows the same guys players who's just gonna be good for just that year. This is gonna be very different so like there is the ability to make a lot of change cuz I mentioned I may be at a point where I don't like any of these guys.
00:10:07
Speaker
But that doesn't mean there's no one good on the board. It's just not jiving with how I'm constructing my roster. Someone else would be like, there are county guys I want at that point, and they'll jump up and get it. So I can't tell you how many times we've seen a dress like in other leagues where people are just like, all right, I don't really want this pick. Who wants it? And just like, literally, it's just like freefall. Everyone just sat off first. I'll take the best offer. Or nobody wants it. And then you're kind of throwing a dart. But if you're stuck in that moment where you're like,
00:10:33
Speaker
I just don't want any of these people right now. You get the sense that the league might be interested, right? Maybe you can grab two picks in the next round to trade back five spots, right? Like, you know, it's just kind of like, that's what I would, that's what I would say I most commonly see. Makes sense. All right. Any other questions relating to the draft? Uh, no, the one thing I want to bring up on the draft is just, uh, I don't know if this will be disseminated
00:11:01
Speaker
uh... before or after uh... i don't know if this will be disseminated before or after the draft actually takes place probably will be distributed
Year-Round FAB System Strategies
00:11:11
Speaker
before yeah i'm going to try to get out this weekend uh... harrison one of the league members like recently had a kid so he's been saying that you know he's he's probably going to use all the eight hours for his uh... for each and every one of his pits so probably something to uh...
00:11:27
Speaker
to anticipate. Shame on ahead of time. Yeah, exactly. Also, you know, potentially if there's anybody that we're going to give potentially like a hair more leeway to, if he goes over the eight hours, maybe it'll be Harrison. Yeah, I guess, speaking of Harrison, because we know he's mentioned stuff with the trades, people making trades pre-draft, I guess we could hit upon that right now, the reasoning for it. I know, Joe, do you have thoughts on it that you might want to throw out there? Yeah, so I think it's all,
00:11:56
Speaker
Again, there's a lot of projection involved and there's a lot of thinking about who might be available in a certain spot versus who will not be and thinking about who you want to construct your roster with. I think that in Ryan's case, adding an additional first round pick in the startup draft, if he's looking to construct his roster in a certain way,
00:12:22
Speaker
Potentially puts him in a more advantageous situation where he's willing to you know sacrifice Mid-round picks, you know, I think that that is the whole like core conceptual Proposition behind making trades before the draft is looking at who you think you might want to have on your team and saying like okay well if I really want to have a
00:12:46
Speaker
a top three or four quarterback and a top three or four wide receiver, well then you're probably going to need to have two picks in the first round. So, is it going to cost me a third and a fourth in exchange for a fifth and a seventh in order to get two picks in the first round? And then you look and you say, well, who am I going to draft within the sixth and the seventh with those two additional picks? Is that kind of worthwhile?
00:13:11
Speaker
You know, I think that in a lot of instances, it all comes down to who's available and who the picks end up actually being. But if you are spending the time thinking about, like, guys that you definitively want on your roster, you might realize that you're going to need more picks in a certain round in order to get those guys on your roster. So I think that's where, that's for me personally. And maybe, Ryan, maybe you could tell us
00:13:34
Speaker
what you were thinking specifically when you were trying to acquire that additional first draft pick without obviously divulging too much of your strategy. Yeah, no, I mean, we're going to go over it later, I know, but that was kind of our thinking. We were thinking, you know, we kind of want to get two studs and we just didn't think the stud that we would get in the second round is as valuable as the one we'll get in the first.
00:14:00
Speaker
we're really trying to construct our roster around those two players. And we kind of looked at the number of players that we would consider really top tier number one guys. And we thought with the seventh pick, we could probably get two of them.
00:14:16
Speaker
Yeah, that's one of the tips that I think we should have going forward. When you're trading picks, put names to
Rookie Draft and Strategic Balance
00:14:23
Speaker
those picks. You can look at rankings, look at mock drafts, and you get an idea of what player will be there. So you're not trading just a pick anymore. Think about that player that you're trading. It's a good way to think about valuing it.
00:14:36
Speaker
All right, well, going in now that we know how the draft works, you actually you're drafting to fill out a roster. So I want to quickly go over the roster, some of the scoring settings and also hit upon the fab settings that we have set up to so deep rosters.
00:14:50
Speaker
We also have a pretty deep starting lineup to kind of create some strategy involved. So you don't have like a short starting roster, so you can just have it, leave it and forget it. This actually you're gonna have to tinker with each week and think about. So you have one starting slot for a quarterback. For running backs, you have two slots.
00:15:07
Speaker
Wide receiver, you have two slots. Tight end, you have one slot. There are three flex slots. So that could be a wide receiver, a running back, or a tight end. Then there is one super flex spot. And a super flex is either a quarterback, wide receiver, running back, or tight end. So literally, it's a joker card, basically. You can put anyone in there.
00:15:29
Speaker
With that, though, you're more likely going to win. We can get into the strategy later, but more likely going to end up starting two quarterbacks every week because quarterbacks generally score more points than other starting positions. But you can put anyone in that slot. There are 16 bench lots and you also get four IR slots. So you could draft players who are hurt knowing that you'll slide them in there and it open up another bench lot. That is a strategy that people go with.
00:15:53
Speaker
As far as scoring, oh yeah, actually, yeah, we'll jump into this. For those of us who have never had a super flex slot before, how valuable does that really make quarterbacks? I mean, when we're looking at the first round of this dynasty draft, I mean, is it going to generally be quarterbacks picked because they're not that valuable? And I'm assuming all 32 starting quarterbacks are generally going to be on a roster.
00:16:18
Speaker
Uh, yes. Uh, and more. Uh, so yes, the first round, yeah, you'll have backups that you have not even heard of before. So the first round, first two rounds will be quarterbacks for sure, especially in dynasty to the other factor is that quarterbacks have a long lifespan. So that's another reason why dynasty will want to draft them. But yes, you get to start too. So in redraft where it's single quarterback, especially in like summer release where it's only 10 teams.
00:16:46
Speaker
You can easily find a starting quarterback in the waivers for that. But if you're starting two, and this is now 12 teams, potentially every week there's 24 quarterbacks started. So like off the bat, that is what like 70% of the league's quarterbacks already got. But then there's by weeks and injuries. So everyone's gonna wanna try to get at least a third quarterback mixed in there. But you're also gonna grab the backup because a quarterback could go down and then you automatically have a valuable player or a rookie who is gonna eventually take over.
00:17:15
Speaker
Yes, all 30 enemies every starting quarterback will be rostered and almost all I would say most backups will be rostered as well in the league and it does make it valuable because The other difference again with this if it's one quarterback the replacement value of a quarterback What is it a lot like if starting from like quarterback 10 to quarterback 15? Like you're talking about like a difference of four points But if you're saying in a spot where it could be a quarterback or a tight end that goes in there You're talking about potentially a 20-point difference
00:17:45
Speaker
because quarterbacks can score so many more. So the benefit or the advantage is always starting a second quarterback. So if you have two elite quarterbacks, say like I know in one league, Joe right now has both Josh Allen and Joe Burrow in it. I mean, those guys are putting, he has two roster spots consistently hitting 30 points. Should be champ, champ, champ. Should be, should be back to back to back.
00:18:08
Speaker
Winner, but unfortunately lost in the middle, but still it's a it's a large advantage Well, I think about what other players you'd need to make up that difference that Joe is getting every single week because of those two spots Right, right. So almost going back to why you would want to picks in the first round Yeah, yeah, we're segwaying into your trade Just
00:18:31
Speaker
It's almost like if you think about like in a, in a one quarterback league, everybody always values running backs the most because running backs, you have a solid running back. His ceiling in a week is like 20 or 25 points, right? So you're like kind of like lock in running backs quarterback. Their baseline is higher than running back. And if you add another slot on your roster where you can have another player that's going to lock in that same value now, suddenly
00:18:56
Speaker
the value of quarterback has skyrocketed. So it's not to say that
00:19:05
Speaker
you would go into a Dynasty super flex format and say, well, quarterback is significantly more valuable than a top wide receiver, right? Like in this particular format, I don't know where I would rank Justin Jefferson, but there, there are a couple of quarterbacks I would take before him, but not many, you know, like, because you obviously like wide receivers still have a long, a career trajectory as well. And they still score quite a bit of points.
00:19:29
Speaker
You know, quarterbacks still get injured, quarterbacks still get replaced, quarterbacks are still streaky. So it's not to say that like quarterbacks are far and away, the more valuable option. It's just that relative to a format where you're only starting one quarterback, there's a lot more value because you can increase that baseline on a week-to-week basis. Yeah. And we'll get into this dynasty show too, but Joe, it's not, quarterbacks aren't like the end-all, be-all.
00:19:58
Speaker
Obviously read like running racks are still super valuable having wide receivers are super valuable We have you can start technically five running backs in this league if you have them So like you still have there's a lot of strategy involved It kind of makes like the value across all positions a little bit more equal because in sim quarterback You're not trading for quarterbacks in those leaves. They're not as poor but now because it's duplex They are they carry a lot more weight in trades too. So it also that's the difference there and
00:20:27
Speaker
Moving on to some of the point scoring, because this actually will factor into some of the players and values that you're drafting for as well. So it's a half point PPR league. Passing TDs, which will actually help the quarterbacks get it. It's six point passing TDs.
Value of Rookie Picks and Trades
00:20:41
Speaker
And for any TD that is 40 plus yards, you actually get a bonus two points. So if you throw for or touchdown over 40 yards, run or receive one, you get a bonus two. It's just like another little rank goal if anyone has long twos. You don't really plan for that, but just like fun in a week if it happens.
00:20:57
Speaker
So, interceptions are minus two, but there's a wrinkle. Pick sixes, you'll actually lose an additional point. So, if you throw a pick six, that's minus three. So, again, you can have quarterbacks, but if you have quarterbacks that throw a pick six like Zach Wilson was playing, I would not be drafting him because he's going to be making points in a week.
00:21:14
Speaker
Also with fumbles, so if you Fumble ball at all it's minus one if you lose that fumble it's minus two So a lot of leagues it's minus two just by losing a fumble still same thing happens But this is saying if you're fumbling and your team still recovers you get docked a little bit for it And the biggest thing to factor in this is a tight end premium league. So what that means is
00:21:35
Speaker
It's half point PPR except for tight ends. Tight ends is the full PPR. And all that does is kind of bring up again the water line or baseline for tight end scoring. Because tight ends, except for one or two, are generally pretty useless in today's game right now. But we want to again increase the value of multiple players. If it creates a lot more strategy, if we have multiple flexes, maybe put a tight end in.
00:21:58
Speaker
So if a tiding is getting multiple reception, they'll get a full point PPR. Won't change the game vastly, but it does give them a little boost. Obviously someone like Kelsey, that person will get a little bit of boost, but he is also on the elder side of his stage. But again, we'll get into the dynasty strategy. But yeah, Jeff. It's a nice wrinkle to add, especially in a super flex to more balance the scales where you're saying, all right, we're going to tip a little bit more towards quarterback.
00:22:25
Speaker
So let's tip a little bit more back towards tight ends as well. It kind of throws a little bit back towards the tight end position. And also, for what it's worth, I just want to also mention that in the Joe Burrow, Josh Almead also have trust. Yeah, I mean... I was curious how much you would say it increases a tight end's value. So I could see it increasing the very top tight ends
00:22:55
Speaker
But does it really make the mid-tier, low-end tight ends any more valuable? It's more of a start. I wouldn't draft differently, to be honest. It would be Start Sis decision set, to me, make it a little bit. And if you're throwing in sweeteners and deals, but also, if you have a mid-tier tight end, they're a little bit more valuable, because those guys could get like,
00:23:19
Speaker
six to eight catches potentially in a game where that would have been three to four. It's now six to eight points in that week. So there's a lot of guys in that range, uh, who catch a ton of ball, not a ton of balls, but who like Dave said, catch like anywhere between four and seven balls a game at tight end position. But they're all like underneath, you know, balls for just like absolutely no yardage and in a half PPR, then you're looking at like, you know, let's, let's say like six for 40, which is,
00:23:48
Speaker
Uh, like seven points, right? If you don't score a touchdown, um, you know, in a full PPR that becomes 10. If one of those actually goes for a touchdown, that becomes 16. So like, you know, it puts it in, it gives it, it makes the position less of a throw away. Maybe let's work that way. Right. Like you, you might be inclined if you don't have Kelsey Pitts, Andrews to just say like, whatever, I'll just start whoever at tight end because at tight end five through
00:24:19
Speaker
26 is likely to score within like five or six points of each other.
00:24:27
Speaker
All right. Well, moving on. One other thing that's unique about our league, we are a fab league. So that's a free agent acquisition budget. I think pretty much everyone in the league has used that now, but we are year round. So obviously in redraft, you have your budget starts at the beginning of the year, ends at the beginning of the year. But how do you handle that in a full year? So you actually get two fabs. So if you have an off-season fab and an in-season fab.
00:24:53
Speaker
We are currently in the off-season, so everyone's going to be starting with a $100 budget. After this upcoming season, in the wildcard weekend when technically the regular season's over, everyone will get replenished $100 in their budget again. You can use that all off-season to pick up any players that are available on waivers.
00:25:12
Speaker
Then on the first Wednesday before the first NFL game, because I believe the first game is on a Thursday, we're going to flip it. Everyone gets replenished and gets the $100 budget again. You cannot go over $100. So if you have FAB and you didn't use it, you can't carry it over, roll it over into the next FAB budget. But if you used up all your FAB, you're going to get replenished. And then you'll have $100 again to start the season. And you have that for the whole regular season.
00:25:40
Speaker
in the season again, as I mentioned, you'll get replaced 100. So that's kind of how it goes through. I can't imagine the offseason fab gets used too much. I mean, people on a team, there can't be that many people to use it on though. So it ends up being used on
00:26:03
Speaker
Like, the best usage that I've ever had of my off-season budget was two or three seasons ago in one dynasty league. James Robinson was getting carries on Jacksonville in camp, and it was kind of a situation where I was like, oh, James Robinson looks good in camp. Nobody had heard of James Robinson until that point. They didn't have him on a roster. He was sitting. He was undrafted. Yeah, it was like a week before the season started, and I had $97 of my off-season back left.
00:26:31
Speaker
And it was basically like, all right, I'm just going to throw $97 on James Robinson, because in three days, this fad was going to reset anyway. And James Robinson still is in the league, and he was a good asset. And it's the kind of thing where you almost want to, like, the way I personally do it, and people would argue there's different strategies. My strategy is to just hang on to the budget until OTAs and camp starts, and once the draft is done, and then once
00:26:59
Speaker
You kind of hear a little buzz about somebody that's on the wire. You just dump the full budget in there, try and grab them, and kind of go from there. To your point, you don't need to savor it like you're going to be making multiple moves. To me, it's kind of just like save it up and go big when the time comes.
00:27:18
Speaker
Yeah, it's not a high volume time, the offseason, but there are players
Advice and Resources for Dynasty Leagues
00:27:23
Speaker
to show. Players sometimes come out of retirement and they happen to be in waivers. So you go after that. So like you could like, as you mentioned, Joe had 96, that man, he used $4 on someone else. So there are little things here and there you're trying to grab players on.
00:27:36
Speaker
But the biggest things is during preseason too, because there's injuries in preseason. So players come up in the depth chart that you wouldn't have expected. They could have been like the Baltimore Ravens. They lost four of their running backs. So no one drafted the fifth running back on that team. So you're throwing weight and money at that guy to get it. I don't even remember the guy's name at this point. But I had him on my team. I was excited. And then he did nothing to raise him. But I threw him by $100 at him. Yeah, you may as well use it, right?
00:28:05
Speaker
Yeah. But even something like Geno Smith, so Geno Smith, as I mentioned, like backup quarterbacks usually are taken, but like not people, no one was viewing Geno as like a legitimate backup in the preseason, but then he got a little bit of buzz and like, Oh, maybe he beat was a true lock going out. Yeah. This was a less shell, but me and Joe another league. I just picked him up. I actually didn't even use that much budget. I just grabbed him because like no one was looking at this guy. Look,
00:28:31
Speaker
Look at him. He just got paid $100 million because he just kind of scared up. So you listen to the buzz in the preseason, and that's usually the type of guy you start throwing your fat at. All right. Makes sense. Let me surprise, right? 26 guys on a roster. There's still a lot of guys who are out of relevance that can trickle back into relevance very quickly, depending on injuries and whatnot, if they're the fourth or fifth string guy, and then two injuries before them. And now, all of a sudden, they're relevant again.
00:28:59
Speaker
People also make dumb drops. In one of our leagues, as a rookie, someone dropped Deontay Johnson. Yeah, Ray, and then one of our guys, I tried to again, I had one less dollar left in my budget, I had $99, and I lost the $100 bid. But like, yeah, people make mistakes too, so you just always pay attention.
00:29:21
Speaker
All right, so moving on, after we finish our startup draft, as I mentioned, those are veterans only, then we're going to do our startup rookie draft. So the rookie draft, it's going to be the reverse order as the startup just to kind of create some level playing field since some people got the advantage in the startup draft. So this will be reverse order and this will be only the rookies that just can't come in.
00:29:44
Speaker
It's going to be five rounds. It's going to again be a slow draft, but again, only five rounds. So it won't take as long as should probably take like a week or two to get through. It's going for this one only. It's going to be a snake draft because again, I don't want to give anyone too big of a like advantage, but in the future every year there's a five. There's a rookie draft. That's five rounds that we're going to do for incoming rookies. Future ones will be linear, like how the NFL draft does it. So whoever had.
00:30:12
Speaker
Whoever came in first place will have the last pick of every round, basically. Whoever came in last place will have the first pick. So that's kind of how it'll work because you're trying to get the bad teams to get good again.
00:30:24
Speaker
And the one thing I will also throw in there is to try to limit tanking and future rookie drafts, the bottom four teams are going to be thrown into a lotto for those picks. So just because you come in last doesn't mean you got the first pick. You could get the fourth pick. There's going to be a lotto there, so it's not guaranteed there. But all the other rules will be exactly the same as we did for the sort of veterans' draft. It's just going to be only for rookies.
00:30:50
Speaker
But with that, what we also have in here is something called a taxi squad. So this is unique. Not a lot of people use this, but I actually do think there is benefit to the taxi squad. So what the taxi squad is, is you can only put a current rookie on the taxi squad.
00:31:06
Speaker
You have up until the beginning of the NFL season, so basically think about when the in-season waivers, like the in-season fab budget rolls over, that's basically when it's going to lock. So when the first NFL game starts, you can no longer put anyone on your taxi squad. So you have all off-season decide if you want to put your rookie on your taxi squad or not.
00:31:27
Speaker
Why this is the decision? If they are on your taxi squad, they are not on your active roster. They don't go against your roster limits, but you cannot start them. They are not an active roster, so you're just holding there. But you can elevate your rookie from the taxi squad at any point. But once you elevate them and the season has started, they can never go back to the taxi squad. So they are now taking the roster spot.
00:31:51
Speaker
but you may want to elevate them because they could be like say last year someone drafted Garrett Wilson and had him on the tax squad. Garrett Wilson became a very valuable asset. You need to get him and you start in line up, you elevated him.
00:32:03
Speaker
but they can stay out there. Now, in future seasons, that player can stay on your taxi squad up until they, for the first three years of their career. After three years, if they've reached year four, they have to be elevated. So the purpose of a taxi squad is if you take a rookie, usually like the later rookie round drafts, you're taking shots on players, they take years to develop. It could be a quarterback, a tight end,
00:32:27
Speaker
Rather than have to worry about dropping them or making a roster decision, they can sit on your taxi squad, let them develop, and if they become something, you could eventually move them up. Because a lot of people draft someone, have to make a roster decision, cut the guy, and then a year later, they're great. And that's it. So this gives you the ability to develop. So you get six roster spots. Before we have questions on it, Joe, you made some celebrations that I'm very interested to hear about. Yeah, the Giants have selected at pick number 73, Jalen Hyatt.
00:32:56
Speaker
Really? He fell that far. Tennessee, yeah, who was actually the award winner for the best wide receiver in college football last year. 15 receiving touchdowns, most in school history. Very, very strong wide receiver. I like the value. I like these. And Tillman goes right after him. Yeah. Who I like as well. Yeah. Very, very, very strong value for the Giants. I like it. We know they need a wide receiver. And I think that's a good one to get, for being honest.
00:33:25
Speaker
Cornerback, center, and weather savers. Yeah. That's what they needed. We digress, but we're a giant. It was a big break for the Giants. I needed to interject. Yeah. No, I'm very excited about it. I'm liking the Giants draft. I'm not going to lie. But taxi squad, any questions on that? I guess my question would be, especially this first year starting
00:33:53
Speaker
you would want to put six guys in the taxi squad no matter what to start the season, right? And then you could just elevate all six if you wanted to.
00:34:02
Speaker
Yeah. So like the rookie draft is five rounds. So your only five will go there, but there will be some rookies potentially undrafted. I'm not going to lie after five rounds. Most of those rookies are probably trash, but that doesn't hurt to take them and throw them on your taxi squad and then cut them at a future point. So that's fine. So yeah, at least they don't have to take up these like trash guys that you're just like throwing a dart at in the fourth or fifth round, pick up a spot on your active roster. Like in other leagues where we're in, where there's no taxi squad.
00:34:31
Speaker
after the rookie draft, you have to go and drop five guys for the five guys that you just drafted to make room for them. Right? So you're either dropping guys who you had on your roster, who you think might be valuable, or you're just dropping guys that you literally just drafted, you know, like, so there's, there's value in having that as just like an extra spillover. That's not part of the active roster. Okay. Makes sense.
00:34:58
Speaker
Yeah, awesome. So with that said, there's a couple other wrinkles we have. I have pinned it into the Sleeper channel for us, but I'm sure most people don't realize that you can do that in the chat box. But there's a link to what I have is our League Central. It's a Google Doc. It has the link to the bylaws. It has the link to all the payment schedules. It will eventually have links to these podcasts as well. What it also has is,
00:35:24
Speaker
where every week I'm going to be inputting the weekly high and the weekly low score of weeks. So one that I think is a fun record we have in this league. One thing I've done in other leagues is whoever has the highest weekly score ever of the year, whoever scored the most in any given week for the full season. So if it was like week 12, Joe put it by 250 and no one beat that for the whole year. Joe's going to get paid 100 bucks as part of it. But we're going to track that so you can see who's beating and tracking it.
00:35:50
Speaker
What we also have is the weekly low. Whoever has the lowest score ever, which is just like an embarrassing thing to begin with, you have to pay 50 bucks and that 50 bucks is going to go to the toilet bowl champion. So whoever wins the toilet bowl, so it gives you incentive if you miss the playoffs, you can still win 50 bucks. But I don't want to take that from like the league's pool. So it's going to come from whoever just had like a really trash week is going to have to pay and that will go to the toilet bowl champion. But it'll be fun because if you have a really just
00:36:19
Speaker
Trash week and you end up being you can have a great team just have a trash week You're going to constantly look and just pray someone had a worse week than you every week going forward So it'll be a fun little ring. I like it. I really like that But with that that is the league signs if anyone's questions like honestly feel free to reach out to us About anything happy discuss the bylaws as I mentioned will be in that link though as well
00:36:43
Speaker
moving forward again i know a lot of people listen to this and in the league it's the first time doing dynasty uh so i mean i'm one where i like the whole league so i
00:36:53
Speaker
know the rules, be caught up, and to have as much of a fun strategy game as
Pre-Draft Trade Analysis
00:36:57
Speaker
possible. I don't like taking people who don't know what they're doing and like get taken advantage of or just make dumb mistakes. So I kind of just want everyone to be well-versed in the Dynasty world. So with that, like I know me and Joe, we mentioned we've done Dynasty for a bit. Ryan, I know you're somewhat new to it. I figured this would be like a good forum for you to maybe ask some questions that you or maybe anyone else in the league that you've talked to may have had questions or concerns about going to Dynasty and hopefully we can alleviate those concerns.
00:37:23
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. I got some questions for you guys. So first one, we kind of already touched on this, but having done that startup draft before for a dynasty league, how do you weigh an early round pick versus like a mid round pick versus a late round pick? To me, it seems like an early round pick would be so much more valuable compared to a redraft league. But I kind of want to hear from you guys what you think.
00:37:56
Speaker
Yes, earlier round picks are going to be more valuable in general, but again, it could vary a little bit on what you're trying to do or who you're targeting there. Again, whenever you're trading picks, you should try to put names to those picks as much as possible. But earlier, like first round picks, and like it does start dropping later on, but first round picks are going to be more valuable because you're getting like the elite of the elite. Like these are like players that generally are going to be near impossible to trade for like after the start of drop.
00:38:15
Speaker
Go ahead Dave, you can go first.
00:38:24
Speaker
You could trade forward, but it's going to take a haul to get these guys once they're on the team. We're talking the top five, six quarterbacks. Those guys, you're going to have to send multiple rookie picks, elite players to get these guys after Star Trek. Even the top tier wide receivers, Justin Jefferson, Jim Marchese, those guys are very hard to get. When you get these elite guys, those are staples on your roster for years to come.
00:38:47
Speaker
That's historic going down. Honestly, I started feeling like after the first and maybe second round, there are definitely more valuable players in the tier, but they become less valuable because that's when the values and who starts wanting what gets a little bit more muddled based on age and type of position you're going to. So anywhere from the next few rounds, there will be tier breaks, but it's not as drastic as the first and second round to me.
00:39:16
Speaker
And then when you start getting later, that's when you start getting like guard throws And stuff so like those guys couldn't be great But like so you're looking at like the percentage chance of a player being great, right? The first round like you already know that's the also the benefit about the veteran draft first rookie jobs Like you know who's good like
00:39:33
Speaker
Workies, you're speculating, and there's like a lot of data there, but veterans, I already know, like, Patrick Mahomes is one of the best quarterbacks. I know Josh Allen is one of the best quarterbacks, and they're gonna keep being one of the best quarterbacks for like another 10 years. So there's no question there. So it's also like a safe pick, where later ones, there's a little bit more risk. Yeah, and I think what's important is,
00:39:59
Speaker
The turnover in the NFL is so intense and so quick that you think that picks that you're making now are going to be especially relevant in the future. And the reality is that guys that you're picking are like, I mean, for an example, like I'm, I'm bringing up like in the dynasty league that we were talking about recently where I have a lot of success.
00:40:27
Speaker
The guys that I took the Andre Hopkins in the first round he's not on my roster anymore I took Kelsey in the second round. He's still on my roster I took Keenan Allen and the third, you know, like I still haven't taken a quarterback at this point I didn't take a quarterback until around six, you know, like you know, like you and and in my mind my thought was like well, you know when we do the rookie draft You know grab a quarterback down and I was lucky enough to have an early pick because my team stunk probably because I didn't quarterback until
00:40:56
Speaker
The point being is that, you know, similar to a snake draft in a redraft league, the top guys, the guys drafted in the first round don't always and are commonly not the highest scorers in a given season, right? Like the guys that you expect in certain instances they are, but you know, like if you look at, you know, year to year consistently, the top 10, the top 20 in each position,
00:41:25
Speaker
There's always guys that were drafted in the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th round that managed to pop up into the top 10 or top 20. So the same thing is going to go for this startup draft where, you know, maybe there'll be a couple of guys in the top five where you can like seriously pencil them in as, you know, like without putting the hopes on any of these guys, you know, someone like Patrick Mahomes, right? Like you take Patrick Mahomes like,
00:41:54
Speaker
You're pretty, you're okay for however many years, right? But how many Patrick Mahomes are there in the league? Not a ton. Even at the quarterback position, right? Like Justin Herbert. You might think Justin Herbert is like as locked and loaded at the quarterback position as anybody, but you never really know, right? Like it's not, nothing is ever, ever written in stone in fantasy football, which makes it as challenging and frustrating as it is.
00:42:22
Speaker
especially with the injury risk and whatnot. So what I would say is try not to tilt too much and if you don't get the studs that you want in rounds one and two, stay focused. Rounds four, five, six, seven, eight, nine will be just as valuable if not more valuable than the guys that you take in rounds one and two.
00:42:45
Speaker
Yeah, I think actually in the same chat, I mean, I don't own, I think any of my players that I drafted. I also like it. Yeah. I'm quickly going to scroll over to your team. I flipped. Yeah. Yeah. So this was 2019, which wasn't that long ago, right? We're talking four years, right? Like four years, you would think like the impression is, well, I'm drafting guys that like I'm going to have on my roster, like four or five years from now. Dave's first five picks here were,
00:43:17
Speaker
Gurley, Tyreke, Kenny Galladay, Chris Godwin, Evan Engram, right? I should say that first year, I didn't lose a single game until the playoffs. I annihilated people that second. I want to make this seem like Dave's team was very strong at the onset. But those players all now stink. And then after that, Rashad Penny. And then after that, Kirk Cousins. Like, of those first seven, the only person out of that seven, oh, actually there's two.
00:43:46
Speaker
Tyree, Kale, and Chris Godwin, they have lasting dynasty value. But the rest, you know, so you don't necessarily need to. I did get Mark Andrews late though. And I was a big Mark Andrews guy. But again, right? Like, and maybe to prove our point a little more, if I look down, you drafted Lamar in the 10th. He's still great value. You drafted Mark Andrews in the 12th. Austin Eckler in the 13th.
NFL Draft Highlights and Player Impact
00:44:13
Speaker
Wow, some great late round techs, man. So that actually kind of highlights exactly where the value down the road, you don't necessarily need to
00:44:27
Speaker
I will say the mid round is where you win. The first round is like everyone's going for the same stuff. You get the value, middle rounds of draft, and that's where you can really make a difference. But you also have to get lucky. It's not easy, but you have to get lucky. Yeah, it brings up a good point because to hear those names that late in a draft, obviously that was four years ago, but those are all studs right now. So it's crazy to hear that. And then kind of along that line, so how would you value
00:44:57
Speaker
the older players. I'm assuming it kind of depends on your strategy, but we've mentioned Kelsey a lot. He's 33 years old, but he's a stud right now. Would you take an earlier round pick on him or do those guys generally fall a little bit just because of their age? So my take personally is I wouldn't let age deter you too much from taking some of the older guys.
00:45:23
Speaker
And that goes for the draft, that goes for on the trade market, because ultimately, everybody's trying to win each year. You can't always be playing for the future, because then you're not gonna ever be in a good position to win now. So somebody's gonna draft Travis Kelsey in the first two or three rounds of our draft, most likely. And that person is gonna have
00:45:49
Speaker
a strong advantage at the tight end position at a minimum this year, maybe next year, maybe the year after that. If their team is bad, they're going to have a strong trade piece at the deadline for a team that is trying to compete this year. So don't let the age deter you too, too much. I would say maybe at the running back position, that's one position where the age, you know, like I wouldn't necessarily be running to grab like Zeke in the early rounds of this draft because running backs
00:46:19
Speaker
fall off a cliff a little steeper than other positions. But at the same time, right? Zeke could be very valuable this year to a team who ends up winning the title. Good example, I traded for Dalvin Cook. I traded this year's first round pick in the rookie draft for Dalvin Cook at the start of last year's season. Dalvin is a guy in Dynasty that I'm kind of looking to offload right now. He might be cut by the Vikings. He's not necessarily a great Dynasty asset.
00:46:50
Speaker
He was worthwhile for me to add, and he contributed to me winning the title this year. So just keep in mind, you definitely want to keep the format in mind and be cognizant of the fact that you're going to have these guys on into the future. But it's not baseball. Things change very quickly in the NFL within a second. One, you could be all set, and then all of a sudden you're
00:47:19
Speaker
you're starting running back Terrence's Achilles, and then that's it. Now you have a huge hole, and it'll never be the same again with this guy. So, you know, like, try to strike the balance. I mean, it's not perfect, but try to strike the balance between the future and now. Yeah, age is a factor. Young players definitely carry more. People get excited about young players, because there's nothing better than getting in on a player before they blow up, and, like, everyone wants that.
00:47:45
Speaker
You get you feel super pumped and get that attachment to it. But people also like go a little bit overboard on devaluing older players. They're like the point of the game is to win. And if you're constantly like what you need is like these veterans are still like performing and can help you win. The players are devaluing. They won't trade for more. They're just like offloading these players. They're just to keep playing for next year and get younger players going forward for that and like
00:48:14
Speaker
Which that's a fun strategy, but like it's a hard way to win that way is if you're just, if you're not taking the veteran, the veterans will help you get there and that does matter. So like, yes, youth is a factor, but people over index on it too much. And that's something you want to be a little careful of. So it sounds kind of like the teams that try to go for the long-term strategies sort of trade away now for those rookie picks in the future.
00:48:39
Speaker
might not really be as successful almost because you don't know if those rookies are going to perform. Yeah, they're all shots. And like, don't worry, I've done, I've, I flipped over one of my teams once and I'm like, but I'm like feeling pretty good about it where I'm now. But I also, there's teams that are just forever rebuilt. Like they are never getting it right. And they're just like, but it's also like, it's fine. It's a fun way to play.
00:49:02
Speaker
because you can't get emotionally hurt if you always think you're stinking and rebuilding. So I guess that's why they go for it. But they just are never making that leap up and they're never trying to win. Yeah, I will say that's what makes Dynasty fun is right now I'm in a position in one of my leagues where I've won two of the last three years. But I have Dalvin Cook and Austin Eckler as my running backs. And Eckler is a guy who has
00:49:30
Speaker
basically been a key contributor to a championship and a runner up for the year before, but he's requesting a trade. He's getting a little bit older. Do I try to trade him now and capitalize before he hits the cliff? You know, like that's kind of like the balance that you've got to strike where it's like, you know, does my team, if my team is in a position where I think I can win this year, I'll take all the bets because I know they're going to be strong. I know they're going to compete.
00:49:59
Speaker
You gotta win, right? Like at the end of the day, it's about winning. So I'd rather win this year and figure it out the next two or three years after than constantly, like Dave said, constantly be playing for the future. Yeah. And in terms of rebuilding, when you're looking at the rookie picks, you know, how do you guys value those? Like when it comes to trading,
00:50:20
Speaker
would you put more weight on someone that's performing right now and in the league versus like a first round rookie pick or do you put a lot of value in those first round rookie picks because that's where you're going to get someone like Burrow when he's coming out of college? And so rookie picks are funny because it depends on what point of the year you're at. Right now in the off season leading into the rookie draft, rookie picks are much more valuable. People want to make those picks. When we're in season,
00:50:49
Speaker
And I've done like, this is how I've been able to flip my teams over. I collect as many picks as I can in season. So I flipped all my players for picks in Z because people don't care as much about their picks during the season because they're trying to win rightfully. So it's like the right move to go there. So like they're willing to like,
00:51:06
Speaker
They know certain teams are in the rebuild mode. They have a strong team and rather than give up a current strong asset, they'll give up a rookie pick so you can collect those. Then once the season ends, everyone wants rookie picks and then you flip. So like that's one thing to kind of factor into is like the value of a rookie pick is going to change throughout the season, depending where you're at.
00:51:25
Speaker
Now with it to rookie picks depending on the round and how early in around it is can mean vastly different things Joe's got the one-on-one and rookie that thing is might as well be like the 104 in our Sort of that thing is like the John is like it's a first-round pick in startup round. So like that's a super valuable thing I have like the 102 still don't know which corner I'm gonna go with there, but that's probably and again like the best way to look at it's like people have rankings and
00:51:53
Speaker
Vets and rookies mixed in and that's like a good way to kind of value it compared to like the rounds if you're if you're thinking about using your rookie picks in the startup Jeff is a thing like that's Kind of like you can see some rookies like oh he's ranked in like 45 like maybe he's like in startup like a fourth the third round That's kind of how you can start doing it that way It's gonna completely depend a lot but it also depends on the team like certain people put in extra emphasis on rookie picks and
00:52:18
Speaker
On top of it because they are in a rebuild. So it's also depends on who you're talking to other teams may not be like I don't want to give up any asset because I'm trying to win I don't want to I don't need your rookie pick right now. That's not gonna help me in my situation So it also depends on who you're talking to Yeah, that makes sense. And what I want to say to one other thing is for me I don't necessarily value rookie picks outside of the first round super highly. I
00:52:44
Speaker
Oh yeah. Seconds are good. Somebody's trying to entice you on a trade by saying that they'll include like a second, a third and a fourth in next year's rookie draft. Like you had to think about the odds that any one of those picks is going to be, it's going to turn into a usable player and outside of the first round, the likelihood drops very steeply. So I would say like, and you can put any of this into like one of those like
00:53:12
Speaker
dynasty trade calculator things online where you know, you got side a gets this side B gets this and You add a rookie second round pick to side B and then you add a rookie third round pick to side B and then you add a rookie fourth round And like the scales don't really tip that much because yeah, it's all like a dark throw at that And what are some of those resources that you guys have used that have helped you?
00:53:39
Speaker
Yeah, so there's a few. One, I'll list out a bunch that I use and, Joe, feel free to jump in on any of these or if you have others. But the fantasy footballers, their website, their podcast, I also, they have a dynasty podcast for the first time ever. I think they only four episodes in. I sent that into the chat. They're a great resource. Me and Joe have been to the live shows and like met with them and kind of interact with that group. They're awesome though. They're also like a hilarious podcast. Reddit in general is really good. If you go to like our dynasty FF, it's like
00:54:07
Speaker
Almost all websites will post their stuff in the reddit. So that's kind of a good way to get connected I personally do use CBS a little bit fantasy pros and keep trade cut I think is a great one. That's also where they have a calculator
00:54:19
Speaker
Think about Keep Trade Cut or KTC, you'll see it around. It's every time you go on the website, they make you pick from three players to either keep, trade or cut. It's usually three players around in the same value. So they're crowdsourcing the information. So all their rankings are based on everyone using the websites as crowds. There's not at fantasy experts. It's just like.
00:54:37
Speaker
the users kind of valuing the players. So they have the rankings. It's usually in super flex, but there's a button and turn it off. You don't want super flex, but they have a calculator too. So if you're doing trades, it's again, I wouldn't say like it is exactly how you have the value trades, but it's a good proxy to determine like, is this in the ballpark? There's also the Google like dynasty trade value charts or calculators are all over the place and stuff too. So you can find that way. But John, I don't know if you have other resources you want to throw out.
00:55:07
Speaker
The fantasy footballers are my go-to. I've been listening to them for, honestly, probably like six or seven years at this point, if not more. Everything that I know and love about fantasy football, kind of the knowledge comes from these guys. They're great. They do have a ultimate draft kit, they call it, and the ultimate draft kit plus. The ultimate draft kit is a great resource for redrafts.
00:55:35
Speaker
Ultimate Draft Kit Plus has some Dynasty stuff in there as well. Obviously, you have to pay a little bit more for the Ultimate Draft Kit Plus, but they're good resources. The rankings are good. I think those guys are good. Other than that,
00:55:52
Speaker
So, I mean, like, I'm a sports better too, as you guys obviously know. So I was like, I listened to, you know, like RJ Bell's dream preview and, and other like sports betting focused podcasts throughout the course of the week. And that also kind of like influences some of my fantasy decisions as well. They're particularly bullish on the over in a given game or, you know, like if I hear them talking favorably about
00:56:18
Speaker
Advanced metrics of a quarterback or this or that it might influence who I would target in a fantasy So I would say those are probably in addition to some of the things that they've mentioned where I would probably go just try to consume as much information as you possibly can and and then just And this podcast obviously
00:56:45
Speaker
Any other questions related to Dynasty? I think we're good. Let's get into those trades.
00:56:53
Speaker
All right, get a trade. So we actually have had some pre-draft trades. We had two of them. And if you were in this league, you probably have a full inbox from Schluter. I actually think I have one from him right now that I forgot he sent me that I have to check out later. And both these trades include none other than Schluter in there, but we'll go through the first one. So we have Schluter and the Wilkinson Finishing Cow. So Ryan on board here, we have someone on hand that can kind of talk to this trade, but I'll give you the quick overview.
00:57:24
Speaker
Ryan acquired the first round pick from Schluer, which I believe is what, the 107 you got from Schluer. So like that's very key, especially when we're talking the first round, like the exact pick in the first round matters. And Ryan, you have your actual pick in the first round is 101.
00:57:39
Speaker
101 and 107. So he got the 107. He's got the fourth round, a sixth round, and an eighth round. And Ryan gave up the second, the third, the fourth, and the fifth. Ryan also gave up his rookie 201 and got Schluter's 207 in the rookie round. So Ryan's first, a second, and third round picks. So Ryan's always at the turn. So with the second third, he gave up the last pick of the second, but he gave up the first round.
00:58:08
Speaker
in the pick of the third, last pick of the fourth, first and the fifth. So he gave up a lot of picks there, but he got the 107 to pair with his 101. So, and obviously a rookie spot, but Ryan, I guess speak to your motivation on this trade. I think Schluter, we knew he was just accumulating picks, but for you, let's figure it out. Yeah. So I was kind of glad to hear you guys say that anything outside of the first round in the rookie draft isn't too, too valuable.
00:58:34
Speaker
because for that side of it, that was our thought really. Schluter wanted to throw in the extra rookie swap and we really didn't think too much of it, moving back a few picks in the second round. So we were focused pretty much on the main trade. And yeah, we just kind of valued who we thought were like absolute studs and we got to seven guys. So we felt if we can get
00:58:57
Speaker
two of the top seven picks, we can have two of those guys as the cornerstone of our team for, you know, hopefully years to come. So I know a lot of people probably look at it and think we gave up a lot, but for us, we gave up the second round pick, but that became another first round pick. So we really just looked at it as we're giving up our third, fourth and fifth for a fourth, sixth and eighth. They're still all kind of mid round picks. There's not, you know,
00:59:24
Speaker
someone that shooter is going to take with our third round pick and we're going to take an eighth round could end up being just as valuable. So we were going after the studs and we thought with that seventh pick we could really get another stud for our team. Yeah, I mean, when I'm looking through the rankings, like who I would pick in the early round, obviously you're getting
00:59:46
Speaker
one of the, if not the one or probably top three quarterbacking away in there, depending how you think of there. But there might be three elite guys. I personally think there's like one or two. You're going to get that guy and you're going to pair him with potentially another stud quarterback. So like you won't have to potentially worry about quarterback for years to come. Or there's two wide receivers that could be in that mix as well who are also elite, elite athletes and assets there.
01:00:12
Speaker
I get it. Those are going to be anchors and then you can just tinker with the rest of the lineup from there. Yeah. And that was our thought. We'll see if one of those wide receivers false to us, but if not, we'd probably go with a second quarterback and we have, you know, hopefully two stud quarterbacks for the next five to 10 years. Yeah. So who do you think won the trade? Oh, it's a really tough call for me personally. I,
01:00:41
Speaker
I think it's a good value on each side. I do. I do. You know, like obviously picking up a second, a third, a fourth and a fifth is nice, right? Like you're getting extra picks in many of the critical rounds, but you're also sacrificing. So Schluter will pick. He would have picked in the seventh. He would have picked in the seventh position, which means
01:01:09
Speaker
his first pick in the draft isn't gonna be until 14, which. Until the next trade. Yeah, until his next. So he'll pick a little bit earlier in the first, but he had to make another move in order to get back into the first part. Yeah, but he got it. Before that trade happens, right, like if we're kind of looking at this in the moment of when the deal happens, gut reaction tells me I would love to have
01:01:36
Speaker
an extra second, third, fourth, fifth. Gut reaction is to lean more towards Schluter, but when you think about a Dynasty startup and you're not picking first until 14th, that is a definite, definite disadvantage. With a gun to my head, I would probably lean on the Wilkinson side. It's very close, but not having a pick until the 14th in a Dynasty is tough.
01:02:06
Speaker
Yeah, we were to look back on this five years from now. The odds are probably more likely that, uh, Schluter will end up being the winner because he has five more dark throws in the early rounds, but he also has one less, uh, dark throw at a significantly bigger target in the first round. So, you know, we'll see how it goes.
01:02:33
Speaker
If it was me, I would not personally want to not wait until the 14th pick to make my first election. So I would lean on the Wilkinson side slightly. My take is in a vacuum looking just at the picks. I actually think Schluter got incredible value, but I will say when you're making a move for the 1.07,
01:02:54
Speaker
You're going to have, like you're not getting, you're not trading fair value for that thing. You have to go above and beyond to make someone want to do that. And that's just, look at the pic. Now, when you take the bigger picture and you understand Ryan's team situation, having the one-on-one and then you add a one-on-seven, that from like a team construction, that's huge. Like if, like if the one-on-one and the one-on-seven put together, that makes a ton of sense and that is an awesome value.
01:03:19
Speaker
And that's also why I'm saying trades are going to complete depending on the situation teams are dealing with. If I gave up this trade for stuff like that, if I got the 107, I'm also picking up 111, that would be dumb for me to give up all those fixes. I'm not going to end up in as good a situation. But if you have the 101 and the 107, that makes a world of difference. But Ryan, any parting thoughts before we move to the next trade? No, I think that's just kind of how we were looking at it.
01:03:43
Speaker
We have the 101, so we're going to get a stud. And then that 107 gets us another one. Whereas our second round pick already wasn't going to be until the 24th pick. So really we're going up from the 24th pick all the way to the seventh, you know, traded fourth round picks. So to us, you know, we gave up a third and a fifth for a sixth and an eighth, which, uh, you know, I thought was good value.
01:04:08
Speaker
I dig it. But moving forward, I gotta say, the Schluter's wheel did, combining the two trades, Schluter made out like a bandit, I feel like. I mean, Schluter destroyed the second trade. He destroyed the second trade. Yeah. So Schluter, he moved out, he had the 107 move out. He then, him and Matt Rosinski, and it's really Dan Rosinski, Matt's just like a figurehead.
01:04:33
Speaker
uh traded and he got back in the first at the 108 he moved back one spot and now he has a like a treasure trove of picks and by moving back one spot so he gave up a uh the third and the fifth that he got out of the first trade along with his own third so he gave up two thirds but he got the 108 and he gained another fifth another six
01:04:58
Speaker
which I think that's incredible. He didn't have to give up a second. He gave up two thirds, one that was one he was already given to. So he still has two seconds. He got to have the 108 and now he has two, he still has a fourth and he has two fives as well. And actually, yeah. It's crazy. The fact that he gave up both of his thirds is
01:05:25
Speaker
But he has a first and two seconds. He's in a strong position. If you think about it, I am a first, second and third. He has an earlier first than me and two seconds. You got to look at the two trades together. And if you're looking at them combined, he literally traded back one spot in the first.
01:05:47
Speaker
and has two second round picks and gave up a third. Like, I mean, that's, he ended up- He upgraded his third two second by moving back to the spot. And that's a great- And he also gained a fifth. Like he has two fifths as well. That's a great, if we're talking about the merit of making trades pre-draft, that is a good example. There it is, exactly. Of how you use that merit to make trades pre-draft because- And now looking at it from Matt Rosinski's side, you know, what do you guys think there? He gave up that first.
01:06:16
Speaker
He was asking so much more for me for that pick. I was trying to get that pick for so much more and I saw him come through and I'm like, bro, what happened here? I was going to get up for so much more. He definitely devalued his first round pick significantly. Picking twice in the third is definitely nice, but now he's in the Schluter position where he's not making his first pick until
01:06:43
Speaker
Yeah, two extra thirds. Yeah, but he's not he's not making his first pick in the draft until after the one after the turn. So yeah. Yeah, I think it's tough.
01:06:55
Speaker
I think he also upgraded a rookie pick too. I'd like to use that argument for him with those two picks right at the turn if he wants to move up a little bit. I've been talking to him already about, again, I have something in my inbox I gotta think about. The thing is he sends a lot of picks so you get dizzy and you don't really understand anymore what's going on in this trade. So I gotta spend some time and look it over.
01:07:22
Speaker
Um, but yeah, so that's great. I'm sure there'll be a lot more transactions will be going on in the next spot. Now get into the last final segment. We had the NFL, Jeff. Um, there's an NFL Jeff going on right now. We're in the third round. The giants, as you heard, made it another great pick kind of wide receiver, uh, doing awesome. Uh, screwed Philadelphia. But anyway, some of the quick highlights we had from yesterday, uh, quarterbacks, three quarterbacks went very early. Had Bryce on the Carolina Strava Houston and Anthony Richardson to India at four.
01:07:51
Speaker
Levis fell out of the first, but he got picked up very quickly. Ended up going to Tennessee. I picked, I believe, 33 to the Timings. Bajon got top 10 draft capital going at number eight to Atlanta. He is easily the 101 in all rookie drafts. No matter the format, they are going to run a ton. Gibbs, shocker of the draft, going 12.
01:08:15
Speaker
alone, just like the fact that he got like top half of the first round draft capital was just silly. And then going to Detroit, who just invested in Monty and has with there, we'll get into that later, but that was a shock of the night. The also factor in that two running backs got drafted before a single wide receiver is just like, just insane in today's NFL. But then we did have a run of four straight wide receivers starting at 20 with Jason to Seattle.
01:08:42
Speaker
Quinn Johnson to the Chargers at 21 Z flowers to Baltimore and Addison Jordan ass into the Vikings and then King Cade was the first tight end selected with Buffalo Bills moving up So we know Josh Allen is always gonna spread the ball around So who knows what that means for Dawson Knox, but they moved up for that second round as a measurable leather scout picked
01:09:05
Speaker
There was a run on tight ends, Laporta, Detroit, Mayorda, Vegas, and Musgrave to the Packers. And a few other wide receivers, Mingo was an early pick. I was actually surprised by that, but he did get some hype at the end as a big wide receiver in this class of midgets. And then Rashid Rice to the Chiefs. And Charbonnet went to Seattle as well, which I know Joe is going to talk about a little bit. But yeah, those are some of the quick hitters. Let me hear your guys' thoughts on the draft so far.
01:09:32
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I thought Richardson at four was a little surprising to me. I know he was rated as like a high QB, but, you know, to go one, two and four QBs, I was a little surprised that they traded up to take him up there. But I think you hit on pretty much most of the shockers in the first round. Yeah, for me, the Lions, I'm really, you know, Dave, you and I were texting about this. I'm not sure what the Lions are thinking.
01:10:02
Speaker
They have a lot of needs, and taking it early, running back after the messaging in the off season was them going for their guy in Montgomery. They paid Montgomery a lot of money. I know they part of Ways with Jamal Williams, but they have DeAndre Swift on the roster, which I guess we might get to that later. DeAndre Swift, probably not long for the Lions.
01:10:29
Speaker
Not totally sure that that was the most worthwhile value that they could have gotten out of such a high draft pick. Seattle, I'm not 100% certain that Jackson Smith and Jigba is not the worst landing spot for JSN. You know, like just thinking about that, they throw the ball a decent amount. But you know, now that we're talking about. The fact that they just added to get another running back, you know,
01:10:57
Speaker
Maybe it's a dreadful landing spot for KSN. You know, the wide receiver run to me was interesting. I think that, I mean, we'll get to this, but I think that of those four ZA flowers probably is the most interesting to me. And Michael Meyer is interesting to me in Las Vegas after they just sent
01:11:26
Speaker
Waller. Darren Waller over to the Giants. There's a vacancy there. Jimmy Garoppolo, known to target the tight end. I think that there could... He's a good receiving tight end. I guess he has to be seen whether or not he'll be able to block, but in my opinion, I don't know, usually tight ends take a while. He's someone that I would... I might have my eye on just based on the way that Vegas has used a tight end in the past.
01:11:56
Speaker
having Garoppolo as the quarterback there, having the vacancy with Waller, I think there's potentially some opportunity. Overall, you know, I'm not in love with Atlanta as the landing spot for Bijan. I would have liked maybe a more dynamic offense for him, but I guess he will get the opportunities in Atlanta, so.
01:12:21
Speaker
Yeah, that is a good segue because we're gonna each hit up our favorite pick so far and Ryan actually has Bajan. I actually don't mind the Bajan spot either, but Ryan, why don't you tell us your favorite pick of the draft so far and describe why. Yeah, I had him as my favorite pick. I don't know if I necessarily love the pick from the Falcons perspective, but in terms of a landing spot for him.
01:12:45
Speaker
You know, I mean, it's not the best offense, like you said, but that almost is why it's good for him. I just imagine them running him to the ground this year. And I can't really picture many other teams where he'd get the opportunity to step in there and get, you know, 20, 30 touches a game, which I imagine he'll get. So I think he's super, super valuable right off the bat. Yeah. And to your point, I mean, Atlanta wants to run the ball. They had Algier, who was a fifth-run pick.
01:13:12
Speaker
they had Cordell Patterson at 30 years old be a top ten running back two years ago. Now they have someone who's actually a generational talent at running back, I think they're going to do pretty good with him. But Joe, why don't you tell us your favorite pick? Zaflowers. Yeah, Zaflowers, sorry, I had that.
01:13:35
Speaker
It's a little bit of a difficulty there. Yeah, no. So Zafar is my favorite pick. I was actually going to, I mean, my thing about Atlanta is like, who, who's really going to be the quarterback there? You know, like, is it going to be Desmond Ritter? Is it going to be Taylor Heineke? I guess, I guess Taylor Heineke is probably the best scenario. Like if you really want to, like, if you're expecting, if you're expecting Bijan to do things, uh, immediately, Taylor Heineke might be the best option, but
01:14:02
Speaker
Yeah, so for me, I love Ze Flowers. I love Ze Flowers, obviously, because he's a Boston College eagle, and as am I, but I think Ze Flowers adds what the Ravens are desperately needing in their offense, which is an explosive playmaker that's not Lamar Jackson. I think that they hoped that Rashad Bateman would be that for them, and I think that he was injured right from the get-go, and Bateman has been strong,
01:14:32
Speaker
uh very limited in in the times that he's been on the field um you know they have mark andrews mark andrews has been solid but mark andrews i wouldn't necessarily call mark andrews an explosive playmaker whereas zade flowers has has tremendous speed he's a good route runner he actually like i mean they were comparing him on the on the broadcast last night to tyree kill i think that's just because
01:14:57
Speaker
He's fast and he occasionally had some running touchdowns at Boston College. But the fact that he has that in the arsenal and that he had a decent amount of success running the ball at BC, that's something that the Ravens can possibly exploit in their offensive scheme. So I think that of those four wide receivers that went in that cluster, you know, later we'll talk about
01:15:26
Speaker
some of the other guys there that went in that cluster I have other opinions on. But to me, he seems like he's in the best position to make an immediate impact. Yeah. And my favorite pick, Anthony Virtus in at four.
01:15:45
Speaker
We saw the combine. He is literally, this is not hyperbole, literally the most athletic quarterback ever. Guy is a freak. It's out of control. He has some concerns about his accuracy, but, and like, who would he play to start a script? With number four overall, Jeff Capital, he's going to play. He's the franchise. You don't make that pick.
01:16:08
Speaker
He also didn't just get picked.
Coaching Changes and Player Potential
01:16:10
Speaker
The new head coach of the Colts is Shane Steichen, who was the offensive coordinator for the Eagles this past year. And he was the one that coordinated the whole jail and hurts offense with rushing the ball, forcing all those rushing touchdowns with hurts.
01:16:40
Speaker
has the potential to be the number one quarterback in the entire league at some point for fantasy because of rushing ability. Not the best passer. I don't think you'll ever get there. But with his position and the draft cap role, he's very, very interesting and potentially being the number one rookie quarterback option.
01:16:46
Speaker
this year.
01:16:58
Speaker
Um, I don't know where I'm going with it. He's not a safe option, but he has a lot of upside and it seems with the draft capital to be a little safer. Um, gonna move on one other guy who I think I don't love him, but for his own capital, uh, Clinton Johnson going to the chargers.
01:17:14
Speaker
He was talked about getting dropped out of there. I personally am not a huge fan of him, but for his own career and money earnings, I guess, great spot for him in generals, but I don't, I'm not a huge fan, but just in general, I thought that was better for him, but with all good, let's go bad. Yeah. We got, I, again, I'm not a huge fan. What about everyone's least favorite pick? Why'd you start on this one, Joe? Yeah. Least favorite pick.
01:17:43
Speaker
Zach Charbonnet, I hate, and I think this will be a popular hate in the fantasy community. Yeah, you just can't really like, you know, as we were kind of like thinking about where the best landing spots for Bijon Robinson were, Seattle was like very commonly talked about as the absolute worst case scenario, because they already have Kenneth Walker, who's a locked and loaded workhorse in an offense where they do like to run the football, but
01:18:11
Speaker
I think, unfortunately, Charbonnet, who showed a lot of promise, I think Kenneth Walker will still get the majority of the carries there, and Charbonnet will be a number two. He'll be an afterthought. He'll get carries, but I think that if he had landed in a place where he could have gotten the majority of the carries or a larger share of the carries, it could have made a more immediate impact.
01:18:38
Speaker
Seattle, their whole draft to me is confusing. We just mentioned Jackson Smith and Jigba in the mid back of the first round. And now Charbonnet, I just don't really understand what they're doing when they had a glaring need from a rushing defense perspective. They were like the third worst rushing defense in the league last year. And they have guys like Kenneth Walker and DJ Metcalf and Tyler Lockett
01:19:08
Speaker
And, you know, like, these are positions where it seems like they're, they're pretty solid. And, and they're drafting reinforcements there when they have greater positions of need. So, I mean, I'm a Giants fan. I've seen the Giants take positions where I thought that they were pretty solid when they had other positions of need for years and years and years. So I'm not totally shocked, but from a fantasy perspective, it's unfortunate because
01:19:33
Speaker
Charbonnet and even Jackson Smith and Jigma maybe could have had more value elsewhere, but we'll have to see. You know, Geno Smith seems like it's going to be in the near term. You know, who's to say who their quarterback will be going forward?
01:19:47
Speaker
Yeah, that's a good segue into my least very pick. It's JSN. So I should also mention, I love JSN. Big fan, he's my wide receiver one in the class. I still view him as the wide receiver one because I think long-term his talent will prevail. But for immediate production, this hurts. He is the third wide receiver on this team coming in because he is the rookie. DK is still young as well going up there. And I don't think Gino can support two top
01:20:13
Speaker
three top wide receiver he did two but like to support three like that's kind of crazy and Gino is I think 31 now it's a three-year deal he signed so like even though I like what eventually lock it's gone next year and like lock it I'm pretty sure it's like cap it he's gonna be gone it's gonna be JSM and Metcalf next year but
01:20:35
Speaker
Gino, who knows what he's going to be in a year. So yeah, JSM will have a lot of production early on. Then he's going to have a new quarterback somewhat early in his career. So I do think he's going to prevail. I think he's going to be great long term. But I was hoping for much. And there were just so many spots he fell. There were so many opportunities for him that hit another spot that it was just devastating to see him fall here. But again, I still love him. But just what could have been is what kills me. But Ryan, what about your pick?
01:20:59
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, mine's kind of a cop out pick, I guess, because I think, you know, everyone would say it, but I had to go with Gibbs at 12 to the Lions. I think, you know, from a team perspective, but also from a player perspective, I mean, they already have Montgomery. I know Swift is probably on his way out the door, but just sort of a shocking pick. I don't think
01:21:22
Speaker
anyone thought he'd go that high. There was a lot of talk on whether Robinson should even go in the top half of the draft. So then to have Gibbs go 12 just seemed pretty crazy to me. I don't really know what they're thinking there, but I don't think it's a good situation for either of them.
01:21:39
Speaker
They also said they'd
Impact of Rookie Draft on Veterans
01:21:40
Speaker
be comfortable taking that six, which is crazy if the John's on the board. I don't know what the lines are doing. Yeah, I don't know if you guys saw the video, but there was a video of the celebration after the pick and it seems super pumped. So I don't know.
01:21:54
Speaker
Yeah, the lines are sad franchise. Moving on. So obviously, with rookies getting drafted, that impacts them themselves, but it also impacts veterans. Certain veterans may be losing jobs or at least opportunities. So what veteran or they may have gained too, because they were at risk of losing their value. So what veterans so far do you think either gain value or at least maintain their value or dodge a bullet? So Ryan, I know you got one.
01:22:20
Speaker
that I think everyone's pretty much a fan of. And some of this is also have to do with what happened before the draft too. Yeah, so it kind of goes back to what Joe was talking about with Flowers, but I went with Lamar Jackson. I mean, the guys had an unbelievable week. He gets his contract and then they draft Flowers in the first round. You know, he's got Odell, he's got Andrews. I don't know if it's true, but I saw something today that he might even have Antonio Brown three years ago.
01:22:46
Speaker
AB saw the comparisons of Zae Flower to him, so he was like making a joke about it. Yes, it doesn't make much sense. But yeah, I mean, he's got an incredible receiving core now. And, you know, the team, the offense that they got there, I think he's stacked and he should have an incredible fantasy year. So I went with him as my most beneficial first round pick.
01:23:13
Speaker
All right. And I love it. I think a lot of people will agree with that. What about you, Joe? Yeah, so for me, I would say maybe not necessarily a veteran, but someone that I was definitely keeping an eye on and maybe selfishly as an owner and dynasty as well was Cleo Herbert for Chicago. I think Chicago, I think they had the pick after Atlanta in round one. They were kind of somebody who we had our eyes on as
01:23:43
Speaker
potential after letting David Montgomery go, potentially could be looking to add running back depth. So the fact that they haven't added running back depth at this point, probably a good sign that they have good faith in Khalil Herbert as maybe their ground and pound type guy to start off the season. Also, Remondre Stevenson, I like the fact that
01:24:13
Speaker
I mean, New England added James Robinson recently, but also, you know, nice to see that, um, England not adding additional running back depth as well. So I think for me, and you know, Dave probably shaking his head because these are both guys that I have in different leagues that we're in together, but Herbert and, and Stevenson are guys that I personally and maybe selfishly had my eyes on that I'm feeling better about after the first two rounds.
01:24:41
Speaker
Yeah. And like a few other running backs for the same exact reason, like the Gibbs and Bajan bullets were difficult bullets for a lot of running backs. So like, as you mentioned, Vermodre and Khalil Herbert, I mean, same could be said for Tony Pollard, like they're linked to getting another running back. Damien Pierce and for the Texans, he's not got a safe job. You got Pacheco, you got Penny.
01:25:04
Speaker
There's still a lot that can happen. Seeing the draft, still none of those jobs have been taken. There could be, who knows what happens to mix and who knows what happens to split. But like for now, those were the jobs that seemed like the most likely to be placed by potentially young rookie. So having those all like get dodged bullets are pretty big for those players' dives. Also, like I know we mentioned the hate towards Seattle for some big. Gino obviously is just like, he's got all the weapons of role. So he's like set up for success. I think he made out big.
01:25:32
Speaker
and also a personal, my guy that I love, Sam Howell of the commanders. He's on one of my dynasty leagues and on my dynasty, I just like want to get this guy. I don't know. I just like have a connection for him because I think I got him in like the fourth round of a dynasty pick, but he is still a starting quarterback and they did not spend any draft capital on a quarterback. So he's going to get play and he's got a lot of good wide receivers on his team. So like,
01:25:57
Speaker
He could make like, not a high-end guy, but like someone who could have a job and could surprise people. So that's someone who I think so far has done pretty well. What about, as we mentioned, some players that did not do well. And I like, there's some clear losers here. I know, I'll start with mine because mine I think is like one of the biggest losers. I know Ryan's got another major loser, but mine is like DeAndre Splint.
01:26:23
Speaker
He, starting last year, he was already not getting played a lot. He's fallen, he was getting hurt. Definitely falling out of the coach's favor because you can't stand the field. Jamal Williams took all the rushing work and the goal line work and he went away and they signed David Montgomery for significantly more money than Jamal Williams would have cost. And David Montgomery is a significantly better back. He can do all the things Jamal Williams could have done and also catch the ball, which is what Swift does.
01:26:48
Speaker
They paid him, so you thought like, all right, whatever, Swift's still in the game, Monty's just gonna take more, but then he kicked Gibbs at pick 12, which is just a silly value for Gibbs to get one. Swift is gone, Swift is not on this team. He's getting traded, I don't know where he's going, but there is no chance he's on this team. So who knows, maybe it turns out to be better for him getting a new start, but as long as he's on the Lions, he is dead to the Lions. There's like no value with him there.
01:27:16
Speaker
Uh,
Dynasty Value Shifts Post-Draft
01:27:17
Speaker
as long as he's on the field, he's a great player. I mean, even if he started on that one, one catchy gets last year, 2022 season. So if there's somebody that I was targeting all over and.
01:27:30
Speaker
first two to three weeks, it looked, I looked like a genius. And then he goes down and that's it, you know, like that point. He was a top 10 potential top five dynasty running back asset. And now he is like, yeah, outside the top 30, 40, like in a year. Crazy. Yeah, right. What about your guys?
01:27:53
Speaker
Yeah, no, I think running backs was a big one. Obviously Robinson was my favorite pick, so any Atlanta running back, obviously a massive, massive downgrade there. I think you basically just got to throw them on the bench. They're not going to be startable unless something happens with Robinson.
01:28:10
Speaker
I also threw Jordan Love in there just because, you know, Green Bay traded away Aaron Rodgers. They're clearly going all in on Love as their quarterback of the future, but it doesn't seem like they have really helped him out too much in the first two rounds of the draft. So, you know, I wouldn't say it's been the best draft for him going forward, but those were kind of my main losers of the first two rounds.
01:28:39
Speaker
Yes, it's not necessarily losers, but it's just it's just commentary and questionability around some of these wide receivers. And I know I kind of alluded that I was going to shoot back to this earlier, that run of four wide receivers. But think about it right, like guys that were drafted by the Chargers and the Seahawks in that kind of run of four and Quentin Williams and
01:29:08
Speaker
Jackson Smith, Ejigba, they have a very similar athletic profile to guys like Mike Williams and Tyler Lockett that are already on the roster. So in my opinion, I'm just not 100% sure that you're gonna necessarily have, you know, like Quinton Johnson, like to me, big, tall, big bodied receiver, like,
01:29:35
Speaker
can go up and get the ball. That's Mike Williams and you know Mike Williams obviously has some injury concerns that he's always had injury concerns so heading into this year like you know if Mike Williams has the same injury history that he always has had will Quinton have the opportunities to jump in? Probably and will he be able to do the same things as Mike? To me they have very similar athletic profiles so maybe Tyler Lockett similar situation with JSN although
01:30:04
Speaker
Lockett's under contract for another two or three years. They can get out of that contract after next year. He's a small guy. He does a really good job of not getting hurt, Lockett, but you never really know, right? Like, guys do a good job of not getting hurt until they get hurt. And, you know, maybe they end up getting out of Tyler Lockett after this year, knowing that they have a guy like Jack and Smith and Jigwa who's got a very similar athletic profile.
01:30:32
Speaker
That's kind of what I'm thinking, guys, on either of these teams where I didn't necessarily think they needed wide receiver, especially not the profile of the guys that they ended up taking. And then since we've been recording, the Saints draft Ke'Andre Miller from TCU, who, you know, anybody knows that a bunch of us were big TCU fans at the portion of last year. Miller was a great running back for TCU, very quick, very shifty, very good pass catcher.
01:31:02
Speaker
If you're thinking about Alvin Kamara's overall prospects, not that anybody's super high on Alvin Kamara from a dynasty standpoint at this point going forward, given that he's been in the league for a number of years and he's obviously had an injury history himself, but they signed Jamal Williams in the offseason, they had Kendrick Miller.
01:31:21
Speaker
Not necessarily sure Alvin Kamara's days are too, too long for being the biggest show in town there. Not to say that he won't, he's one of those guys where when you talk about, you know, like the veterans or guys who you might be able to draft who could potentially with a new quarterback and an offense that's going to be probably more dynamic this year than it was last year, could potentially do really, really good things this year.
01:31:51
Speaker
Beyond this year, I'm not totally sure. Alvin Kamara is a huge asset. Yeah. Ron and Bags have a cliff. And yeah, I agree. The wide receiver thing was weird. I do think Mike Williams, they can get out of his contract next year as well. They have like a decision between him, Keenan, and I think like another player, Joey Bosa, like they have to cut at least one of them. It seems like now
Closing Thoughts on NFL Draft and Future Podcast Improvements
01:32:15
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Mike Williams is clearly the one because they have this replacement.
01:32:18
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I actually, of those three, I think the one who has the best opportunity is Jordan Addison going alongside with Justin Jefferson. He was a smaller, not overly athletic player, but he's a great technician and JJ is going to get doubled. So he's going to be getting some weak opponents there. So I think actually he'll be getting some good luck. I mean, KJ Osborne had had some big games and he's a nothing special wide receiver. So Addison's a former, what does that make off? I forgot the name of the wide receiver award, but a winner there as well.
01:32:48
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But yeah, so those are our picks. We're about to finish up the third round in the NFL Draft. Tomorrow, we'll see some more picks. Obviously, draft capital is a big factor. One little tip with dynasty, following draft capital for the rookies that come in, because that dictates opportunity and commitment from a team. Day three is not the greatest day for it, but you do find some diamonds in the rough in day three.
01:33:14
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Especially that nowadays it right our running back position. So I do expect to see some running backs pop up there So we'll see how that looks but that's our pod is our first ever pod Hope you guys enjoyed it as a marathon we got through just over 90 minutes So if it took a couple sessions to get through we appreciate that In future episodes, we'll have intro and outro music once I refine our skills bit more, but thank you for listening I hope you guys enjoyed the NS
01:33:41
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F. W. Dynasty podcast.