Nonsense and Chill - Lights, Camera, Discussion

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Speaker: Hey, and welcome. Another Friday, another nonsense and chill here on Nonsensical Network. And yes, if you caught Wednesday's episode of What the Fuck, you know Jeff is no longer with the network, at least for now. Hiatus.

Speaker: I don't know. It's on the fence. So, I have a returning guest, and he's going to guest co-host tonight. Michael, Michael Kofen, Kofen. God damn it. See, I wasn't, I told myself was not going to fuck it up tonight.

Speaker: Michael Kofenhaver. Boom, you nailed it. Yes, I did. this How are you doing, man? This shows my attention even more.

Speaker: Look at that. Dude, this network is plagued with middle-aged moobs, so you are fine. You're good. You fit in just perfect, mo my friend. but

Speaker: Well, we were supposed to have another guest tonight joining us on the discussion tonight. It's going to be another lights, camera, and discussion. Cy, unfortunately, was not able to make it with us today.

Speaker: Family's sick. I get it. we just this This house just got blown away by a bunch of crap that went through illnesses and viruses and bacterias. oh my. um But before we get into the discussions and the topics, I have my very own first film theory.

Speaker: um This is concerning Joker, the Joaquin Phoenix Joker, specifically the second one that apparently nobody really liked.

Speaker: yeah Which i thought you hate i thought it was good. ah love it. I love the ending. I love the absolute ending. And this is this is my theory on it. So Joaquin Phoenix and Heath Ledger were really good friends.

Speaker: I feel like I have a dog hair growing out of my nose. Itching my nose. so Anyway, so during the nolan the Nolan Batman or the Heath Ledger movie, was it Batman Begins?

Speaker: It was the Dark Knight. The Dark Knight. The Dark Knight one. Yes. Heath Ledger's Joker will go through the movie telling a false story on how he got his... Over and over again. Telling a different story, right? so Yeah. Making his whole entire origin a mystery.

Speaker: Which has been like the Joker thing forever. Day one. That's right. Exactly. But if you watch Joker 2 of Folle Adu, whatever it's called. suck at French.

Speaker: Absolutely suck French. If you see the very if you so watch the very end of it, and course, I'm to spoil it right now. Harley Quinn apparently you know rejected Arthur at the end because she was in love with the Joker, not the loser Arthur.

Speaker: But if everybody paid attention in the background after after Arthur got stabbed, um the There was a young, insane, insane asylum motherfucker ah that picked up the knife, and you see him in the back.

Speaker: and we're And we're going to cover what Iraq focus is here a little bit because it it involved that sort of a – now I wish I would used that movie as an example, but I used a Fight Club clip and instead. But anyway, you see this young guy in the back, crazy guy, and you watch the film. He's really nuts.

Speaker: And he picks up the knife, and he's in the back, he he's carving his face like this. yeah Yeah, and then that's pretty much where it ended for that scene. That was the end of the movie.

Speaker: So, I mean, that's ah that's where I'm going with it. In other words, because Arthur Flick wasn't the real Joker. he I think he portrayed the inspiration of what Gotham would would in the future come to know as the Joker.

Speaker: And I think that end right there was sort of like a like an homage to Heath Ledger's Joker. Like, that's the real the real origin story. Yeah.

Speaker: And that is my film theory on that. So, yeah. And it does have a parallel with Heath Ledger's Joker. Mm-hmm. And that he was a man pushed to the brink.

Speaker: Absolutely. He had that one bad day, and he popped, and he cracked. Mm-hmm. So I think that's cool. I think that's the way those those two Jokers kind of bridged that gap. yeah.

Speaker: yeah Heath Ledger was my favorite Joker. I loved his portrayal.

Speaker: It's toss-up between him and Jack Nicholson for me. Depends on what day of the week it is. The thing about the Nicholson Joker, i don't know, it was too campy. It was too reminiscent of the old Adam West series.

Speaker: Adam and Bert. Okay, now see what you mean, yeah. i think there was always some sort of element of campiness to Joker. Yeah. But Heath Ledger's Joker was dark.

Speaker: Like, his camp was, like, ironically campy. He was a goon. Wazzy was being a total, complete psychopathic maniac. Yeah.

Speaker: I like the Nolan films, personally. a lot of people don't like them. I like them. I like them. I wasn't the hugest Christian Bill Batman fan. he did He didn't do a horrible job. He did a really good job, but I Didn't think he was the best Batman.

Speaker: I'm not a fan of Heath. I'm sorry, if Heath. I'm not a fan of Christian Bale at all. He beat his own mother up on Thanksgiving. Oh. He beat his what mother? His own mother. His own mother.

Speaker: oh his own mother. I thought you said his stoned mother. No, no. He beat up his mom on Thanksgiving Day. What the fuck? You're an an especially big jerk.

Speaker: She must have walked through the lighting on his scene or something. I see, dude, I hear stories like that and I totally lose respect for actors like that. It's like watching your movies. It's like not something I want to do much anymore when I hear shit like that.

Speaker: I vote with my dollar. I only support the actress whose real lives I can get behind too. Yes. Chris Pratt. I want to do that. Anybody who was on, you know, the jet way to paradise down in, you know,

Speaker: Epstein Island. Anybody who was on that flight list, I won't watch their movies.

Speaker: I'm not even playing. um that's that's a lot There's a lot of good movies out there, too. That sucks. That sucky sucky. I get it, though. get it something that's ah That's my hard, fast line. I just i just recently i just recently YouTube has started pushing...

Speaker: religious prayer app on me through the algorithm. And guess who's the one who's the face of this app? Chris Pratt. Really?

Speaker: I know he's I know I I know he I know he he I know he he's a good actor.

Speaker: find him funny in Parker and Rex. He plays a great stoner guy. Even in guarding Guardians of the Galaxy, I thought he just had he's just a fun actor. like I get behind his characters because they're fun and he knows what he's doing.

Speaker: But then and then every time I click on YouTube, I see his face asking me to you know take moment in prayer with him. I did not know he was that religious.

Speaker: He is. He is. He is. so why I'm a little on the fence now with that. That's Chris Pratt. He's throwing me yes. I got the link in the chat if that's okay. Join my fan club on my website. Please and thank you. It's free to join.

Speaker: Just cost you your email address. I promise you won't sell it to a first, second, or third party vendor.

Speaker: We'll just sip it on you. Right now some Earl Grey. I needed some caffeine in me. I decided to have a couple beers last night and It messed me up, weirdly enough.

Speaker: I ended up ah co-hosting with Wally last night on cold-blooded conversations about reptile laws and stuff. It was sort of an impromptu thing.

Speaker: We were at the grocery gas station the other day, Sue and I. Me and the Sue at the gas station, and there was a little minivan, and it had a rap that said, Ball Python Creations.

Speaker: I thought to myself, what the hell does that mean? I don't know. you On my side, you broke up a little bit. I think I'm lagging on my end. Sorry about that.

Speaker: And like Glick said in the comics, don't forget, fucker, smash that like, subscribe, ring Blazes' bell, please, and kick me in the balls. ah money ah Thank you. What's up, Glick? Mr. Glick.

Speaker: Good to be seen, not viewed. I'm keeping my chin up. Try not to go toes up. So I did mention, you know, this is mo nonsense and chill. So, of course, I'm going to throw some knowledge at your eyeballs and your ears.

Speaker: Movie lingo time. Tonight's episode is brought to you by Rack Focus.

Speaker: Ooh. Rack Focus. Moving the lens focus from one subject to another with any shot is usually done in a creative or stylized manner. The length of the rack can vary from shallow to deep, offering more grandiose to more subtle effects.

Speaker: Coming up is I have an example from Fight Club on the Plane. You'll see this is a you see at first it's just God, his name escapes me for a moment.

Speaker: um The actor's name, Edward Norton. Thank you. First, you just see Edward Norton in the scene. And then has as as the camera pans to the right, comes around and brings Brad Pitt's character into focus. And that's a that's a rack focus.

Speaker: And that's what I was talking about at the end of Falle du is that insane dude is in the back. And at first you see him focus when he grabs the knife, but when he runs back into the scene, it comes out of focus, but you still out of focus. You see him over there, like doing this symbol on his face. So that's a rack focus example.

Speaker: Brad Pitt, Ed Norton. Yes, I always remember but Brad Pitt. Ed wharton and Norton. I don't know, but he is... i watched a movie recently. He's in it.

Speaker: For the first time. It's a movie that's been out for a while, but it was Battle Angel? Alita Battle Angel? Yeah, that's the one.

Speaker: forgot him being in that. he's He's at the very end. He's the main... He's Nova, apparently. Yeah. So... Yeah, some... Some movie knowledge on you guys.

Speaker: Well, Michael... Very, very famously not fun to work with. That's what I hear. He's the reason he didn't get to stay being the Hulk, and they recast him as Mark Ruffalo. Really?

Speaker: Really? Daily, he rewrote the script for The Incredible Hulk that he was in. And it was driving everyone nuts, causing delays. etc well I'm not going to say this. This is terrible.

Speaker: And he's just rewriting the movie as they're shooting the movie. oh I mean, I hear some actors are bit of a pain in the butt to work with. I think Vin Diesel is one of them.

Speaker: You should just be thankful he is an actor and shut up and stay still. be Be a fun partner. I mean, I think some actors, there was one actor, I was recently i was recently watching this thing on ah Roger Rabbit.

Speaker: The guy who voiced Roger Rabbit. I forgot the gentleman's name. Did you send that to me, by the way? What's that? The Roger Rabbit thing.

Speaker: I don't think so. This was like a like ah essay video essay that I watched. I watched a lot of video essays on YouTube. Anyway, it was talking about how the guy who voiced him, even though he wasn't needed on set because he wasn't actually in the film, was just him voicing over He still requested a Roger the rabbit costume and you would still show up on set every day in characters. Roger rabbit at first, all the other actors and crew members thought it was the most annoying fucking thing was stupid.

Speaker: you know and Then after a while, people started to realize it was helping the other actors, um, kind of create that sense of Roger Rabbit being real, so it made it easier for them to do the acting as if Roger Rabbit rabbi roger rabbit was a real entity that they were acting. It was theres something like a tennis ball.

Speaker: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. So i was like, well, that's pretty fucking cool.

Speaker: You ready for to tonight's first topic? Why, sure. Let's have a chat. Yeah. Oh, shoot. Let's go. i don't want to start off with anything too deep. So let's go. Let's go. Let's go to this one.

Speaker: Should filmmakers cater to audience demands or stick to their their vision? Should filmmakers be creative or should they spill out whatever garbage that the masses want to see?

Speaker: That's another way of putting it. Yeah. ah Creator, I say, creators have to create. I don't create my comedy for any one particular person. I hope to create it for everybody.

Speaker: But at the same time, I purposely, for my own purpose personal reasons, choose to be an inclusive comedian. You know, I'm not... I don't share slants against groups on purpose.

Speaker: I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings. thats I want to enhance the joy of others, not diminish it. That's just from my perspective on a stage act. If I was making movies, that'd be the same way. I want to make a movie that everybody's going to like, not just certain people are going to like, but at the same time, if it's a story that's really personal to me and I'm making this film and I have a very specific vision and it might break some eggs, I'm going stick with that vision.

Speaker: However, Big, big companies like MGM and Paramount and Warner Brothers, right? The large film houses. They will hamstring you.

Speaker: And well, okay. You don't want to make this change for us? Fine. Good luck distributing this movie. Okay. Do you want your art to be seen or not? Even if you have to compromise it for some, it's a ugly question that they have to face.

Speaker: Then they got guys who make Star Wars movies and turn them into tote total trash. and They're okay to do that.

Speaker: So when my impression, I guess the way i was going to answer it was, i think there is room for, both. I think if, I think if a movie was a creator was making making, making something like completely original, like a new story, ah a new, new, new,

Speaker: and Not a remake, not something redone, something completely um original from them. i would like to see like no audience ah input.

Speaker: um but However, I do understand like when it comes to Broken Lizard guys, couple of their movies were made with total um ah crowdfunding.

Speaker: And crowdfunding... Kind of comes with some sort of sway from the audience when you're making your movies. I mean, they're investing in the movie, the audience themselves. So I can kind of see some room for some, uh, some capitulation to the audience to, to make them happy.

Speaker: Um, but if something, what's that? That's a unique situation. That is a unique sort of situation. When it comes like bigger companies, uh, for in the MCU, for example, I don't see a problem with, uh,

Speaker: the powers that be kind of taking the audience's ideas and and maybe putting it toward the creative process. The reason being is these audiences that watch these movies are so massive and they invest so much money into these this MCU, this whole franchise um based off a lot of the comics and stuff that they knew growing up or even not even watching the MCU that I think in some way that think Disney kind of owes it to the audience in some form or fashion to for some audience participation in making these.

Speaker: so But if completely legit original pieces like Quentin Tarantino or something, like yeah, fucking no, fuck the audience off. you know like they can They can leave their their their two cents at the door. Quentin's got this. You know what I mean? so i think it's I think there's a case to be made for either or.

Speaker: But when you're, i don't know, I'm just so as a small independent filmmaker, let's say, I'm just going to put myself in the situation. I'm a small independent filmmaker. And I want to make a movie about this very specific character because a very specific set of circumstances.

Speaker: And at the end, there's a pivot to where it's a left turn. You don't see it coming. Well, audiences, text audiences hate Oh, we didn't like that. We didn't see but Okay, well, I don't care if you liked it or not.

Speaker: That's the way it ended. That's the vision. Like the formula. I want to see more directors breaking the Hollywood formula, right? Boy meets girl. Girl finds a reason not to like boy.

Speaker: Boy does something heroic. Girl loves boy. Boy fools around on girl. That's a more realistic ending.

Speaker: I think that's a good topic about the how how realistic some of these endings are in movies. and It seemed like there for a long time it was always a happy ending. Like, some bad endings need to happen sometimes. the Sue and I were just talking about an ending last night. You're familiar with 16 Candles.

Speaker: Yes, I'm familiar with 16 Candles. Molly Greenworm. ah Anthony Michael Hall. Greenworm. That's her name, right? What did I say? You you're good.

Speaker: good So Anthony Michael Hall plays one of the nerd kids. I believe it was 16. I don't know. Maybe that's the other one. I get them all confused. No, no. you're know he played the main He played the main nerd kid in 16 Candles with the ah but the curly fro kind of eraser fro looking hair. Girls underpants. Was that that one or was that the other one?

Speaker: 16 Candles. Yeah, okay. Yeah, because the other one the whole thing took place in detention. She's coming over to to fill my brain in on the information. breakfast quote pretty Now, in Pretty in Pink, the original ending was... That Andy and Ducky wound up together. Molly Ringworm's character ends up with Ducky, who's played by John Cryer.

Speaker: And the audience... And the audience is absolutely effing hated it. Right. They wanted her to be with the Cube Boy. Which is ah Andrew McCarthy. Who was Andrew McCarthy? and here Oh, and a weird side story.

Speaker: He had to get his head shaved for another role. They had already wrapped principal shooting. For the reshoots where she ends up with and or Andrew McCarthy, he had to put on a big... Anthony... Anthony Michael Hall is the nerd kid.

Speaker: yes He's the friend of Ducky. He was played by John Cryer. This is all 16 Candles. yeah Now, at the end of 16 Candles, whatever, Sue. At the end of 16 Candles, um'm but I'm telling it my way.

Speaker: At the end of 16 Candles, and original the original ending was she ends up with John Cryer's goofy character. And audiences went berserk. They hated that idea. They wanted her to be with the cute boy.

Speaker: So they changed the ending. And that's the ending that we were given. Because of Testo.

Speaker: I do hear stories how how how like there's like all these secret endings because the test audiences didn't do so well, so they switched it. yeah think are Now I'm starting to wonder if test audiences are even worth it anymore.

Speaker: Well, i'm sure. People want to know where their money's going to go. So they'll spend those thousands of dollars for people to watch something and then tell them how they would change it Well, first off, is there input is that important?

Speaker: Let them start making the movies then.

Speaker: i think i think I think Big Hollywood needs to risk and make some losses, make some bad crap, just release some shit just to even shit out. Think of a movie that you love. I'm getting tired of all you.

Speaker: Can you come up with one? A movie you love? What's that? Can you come up with a single movie you love with an ending you hate?

Speaker: There are some TV series, but a movie. Okay, fine. Go with the TV series. No problem. Same basic point. So you love the series.

Speaker: You're going through it. You're going through it. You're going through it You're going through it Oh, no It's last season. I wonder how they're going to end it. I can't wait to see it. And then you see it. And then you can hear your neighbors and other people in town screaming at the same time.

Speaker: Ah! What did they do? Well, that's like that show Lost pisses so many people off. It was a war of attrition for me. I loved fucking season one and two, right?

Speaker: And then it just got progressively crappier and crappier and crappier. But I was in it at that point. It was a war of attrition. I'm going to see how it ends. Because I got to know. but What's the polar bear all about?

Speaker: What is going on with this island? Who's that guy? Right?

Speaker: Thank you, JJ. Spoiler. They were dead the entire time. you lost. it's that day I don't know. I did not interpret it that way, but I've seen so many lost interpretation videos. Like you say, you like to watch these video essays. I do the same thing. We're weird like that. And I want see other series and stuff like that on shows that I loved.

Speaker: Did you watch the new Battlestar Galactica series by chance?

Speaker: Is that the one with... It was on SyFy. Starbuck was played by that chick. Yes. Back off. Yes. that's de That was a while ago. that was I think I watched ah binge watched those when I was living in... The whole series? two thousand Almost the whole series. i think When did that come out? That was early 2000, was it not?

Speaker: Let's see. I think I had kids at that time, so I'll say yes. Yeah. Yeah, well, i' binge watched quite a bit of it. Well, the ending, the final of the finale finale. I won't say what happened. if you haven't Maybe potentially not watched it. Oh, it's been so long, dude. Tied it up. Totally worth it.

Speaker: Totally worth it. Great. Probably the all-time, personally, the all-time best end ever.

Speaker: Hmm. It was another one. It started off with so much potential and it's turned into such a shit show.

Speaker: Yeah. I liked it. hey sam think some I think some some series, they have an expiration date, depending on the type I think it is, show it is, and three seasons to five seasons is usually about that expiration date. That expiration date is why I gave Lost a chance, and I wanted to see how it ended.

Speaker: Because originally it was only supposed to be three-season show. Mm-hmm. He had it wrapped up very succinctly. It was a nice little tight bow. And it was a whole complete story for three seconds.

Speaker: But it was ratings going through the roof. We got to keep this cash cowl coming. So they just started inventing dumb shit that wasn't supposed to be there in the first place. MacGuffin, here's an unanswered question that will never be resolved.

Speaker: Have fun with that. It's like some dude showed up with a wheelbarrow full of plots one day, dumped them on the fucking production floor. I'm like, all right, guys, pick one. Throw them through the air and start whipping darts and show everyone sticks to the wall is what we're going with this week.

Speaker: That's like that show True Blood. oh That started off pretty strong. But I say after about season four, just it just, it hit the fucking, it just did jump the shark.

Speaker: There's an old reference, jumping the shark. That's one of my trivia questions from about a month ago. What popular TV series made jumping the shark a catchphrase that persists to this day for a show that's gone too long?

Speaker: I don't know. What is that? I'm curious. Happy days. No, i was say I was trying to think of some show that had a shark in it. yeah Jabberjaw.

Speaker: ah Happy days. Jabberjaw. Really, happy days. Land shark

Speaker: shark. There's movies like that that reached an expiration and keep going. talking to you, Vin Diesel. in Yeah, it's Fast and Furious. It definitely hit expiration date after the first one, if you ask me.

Speaker: Yeah, I couldn't agree more. Transporter was fun. Transporter 2 was ridiculous. Transporter 3, wouldn't watch it.

Speaker: Happy Days. Fondle. Good old Fondle. Arthur Fondle Relly.

Speaker: All right. I, before we hit our first break, I want to go ahead and boom, next Friday, fantasy movie trivia, not your sci-fi fantasies.

Speaker: Today ain't getting no Star Wars. I'm talking more like never-ending story and Lord of the Rings type shit. Dragons and orcs and fires and oh my, that kind of stuff.

Speaker: ah So, um yes, Friday 8 p.m. I think right now I have one, three,

Speaker: Two confirmed three. I think Michael's going to show up next week. How about it, Mike? be Did you say you were showing up next week? Yeah, I'm not booked for next Friday. If he's not booked.

Speaker: He is a comedian, so he does get bookings. And he's ah he's a a man of entertainment. So, yeah, that's next Friday, 8 o'clock here. So I got three.

Speaker: The reigning champ. The reigning champ. g clickck Glick is currently the reason. Blah. Hashtag words are hard tonight, and I got the appropriate but fix a zoom and he hat on. you and network work The fix is in. The fix is in.

Speaker: Oh, cool. So Tony said he's in. So yeah, that's four confirmed. It might even be a fifth. don't know if Brian's popping up or not. All right. Let's go hit our first break. Let's see.

Speaker: Refresh some of these songs. We got some fresh stuff here, so we're going to go with AJG's not not that knocking on heaven's door man I can't talk tonight

Speaker: let something fly out this birdies cage Till it's empty, don't tempt me Put these footsteps, stepping gently They don't want me dead, evidently Ask who sent you, they ask who sent me Now, uh Knock, knock, knocking on heaven's door They're telling me don't be afraid Knock, knock, knocking on heaven's door Everything's gonna be okay I hear we going back and forth Someone started banging on the bathroom door Asking why they hearing so much laughing for Then a man in the mirror passed the door Thinking that's so weird, ain't no one here Never seen someone disappear without death Ain't no plug for this outlet Voices tell me ain't about shit Seen a halo flicker on the pitch

Speaker: I'm a bitch talk, hard to tell who's the victor Shit I slit my wrists before you get chores And I'm getting mine before you slit chores I'm big time but they ignore My lil' child scaring big boys My foolish pride full of liquor Shit here's a 50 go ahead and get more Knock knock knockin' on heaven's door They're telling me don't be afraid Knock knock knockin' on heaven's door Everything's gonna be okay.

Speaker: Watch the devil crash through the youth. Only blunt I'm past you is truth. Don't get the rap shit, miss, I'm screwed. I never dump ashes on you. So I'm loved when you roll with me. I'm just trying to roll in peace.

Speaker: Doesn't mean I won't shoot. If you're trying to put a hole in me. It just means that I'm kind, not weak. More knocking to the blinds, cry. Everything's gonna be

Speaker: Fearing after fearing Just the inner voice Am I just a little boy Knocking at heaven's door Did I spend my course Searching for metaphors Trying to worship right Just to get ignored Maybe they heard it right Maybe am for But feel like I am Mike When the extension cord Is plugged into the mic I feel how might All this rage inside This is dynamite That's why little boy Went to hide Guess I scared him out I apologize Maybe ain't never locked him out He just didn't like Being talked about And since I'm a father I got daughters now Taught me how to treat myself When these thoughts come out Come in baby Knock, knock, knocking on heaven the store.

Speaker: They're telling me don't

Speaker: All right, that was Knock, Knock on Heaven's Door knocking knocking on heaven's door by AJG. That was not Lipstick and Gasoline by Kissing Lilith. I mislabeled that one during my editing yesterday. I apologize. And that creates that that yes.

Speaker: Hey, it was a rough job yesterday, guys. What's that? Worse and all.

Speaker: Worse and all. Michael, you are breaking up a bit, sir. You froze.

Speaker: There you go. and actually I don't know what happened.

Speaker: Kissing Lilith, cool band name. Yeah. Excuse me. I will make sure I play actual Kissing Lilith on the next break because that's actually a really dope song, Lipstick and Gasoline.

Speaker: What is up man? Our regular fucking homie, Zanfius, dude. What's up? Yeah, I know. I'm fired. It's good.

Speaker: So Lilith, right? The original bad actress. So hard to work with. They wrote her right out of the script. She was the first first woman. Real pain the ass for everybody. They wrote her right out of the script.

Speaker: I love it. I love it. Love it. Man. All right. So first question we went over was I'd just like to recap before we go into the next one.

Speaker: Let's see. Where is that? got another errata. Yeah, it was this one. It was, oh, it's I am lagging. It's on my end. Oh, no.

Speaker: Yes. Well, i'm I'm going, I'm, well, because of that, I'm going to do a quick impromptu break, guys. I apologize, but I need a refresh.

Speaker: Or I'm not going to be able to talk to Michael. What a terrible thing that would be. It would. It would make no sense.

Speaker: It would make no sense.

Speaker: I'm out of money hatching, better pay quick Running out of cheap tricks, running out of lists and trying to take a bite out of me little nimmokins

Speaker: I don't want another one trick pony She's got a hidden trick up her sleeve Her ass kissing poison One dose on her knees I don't wanna be a victim of a murder She sticks her teeth into me This woman's gonna send me a

Speaker: Banging on the walls, attacking Conversations started tones Running on our bodies, I forbid it food is fun Lust, intoxication, physical infatuation Losing our religion, getting our fortification Hearts defeating heavy breathing, slowly sets the steady pointing at each other, now it's really getting messy Fiction, ghastly communication, acrobatics, serotonin, star-fowl, an elephant, can

Speaker: Then she looks me blowin' up right before she turns me down Smile, sound, obviously let's another round Lama had another one trick, Tony She's got her head in track of her sleeve Her Irish kiss is poison, walked out down on my knees Lama wanna be victim of a murder She sings drink into me This woman's gonna say

Speaker: She sends her teeth into me This way

Speaker: And welcome back again that extended break. I needed to restart real quick, so thank you for your patience, everyone. Michael, thank you for your patience as well, sir.

Speaker: I'm not being patient at all. You should have heard me cussing you out.

Speaker: Mickey Mouse! Bullshit! Mickey Mouse. It's not, wait, hold on. What's this? It's not Blaze's computer that's lagging. It's just Blaze in general. This is true. This is true. That's why I was like, Arrow 404, man. Stoner Brain not found today.

Speaker: ah We are now back with our second topic. Let's go a little bit deeper. I want to go over this one.

Speaker: Because I think this one like this one still applies. I think this is still a problem in Hollywood. Is the film industry responsible for promoting unhealthy body images?

Speaker: I will say I think Hollywood has gotten better over time.

Speaker: Well, when you've got a guy like Philip Seymour Hoffman winning best actor, that's a step in the right direction. one He won for Capote.

Speaker: Paul Giamatti, best supporting actor. ah Several nods, at least one win. You don't have to have that. fancy Hollywood physique and look to win now.

Speaker: Okay. Yes.

Speaker: I didn't think about it in that avenue on on how actor way an actor looks or portrays themselves in a physical sense of mate would get them to win awards more. But I think, yeah, I i didn't think about that. i think that's absolutely true. It wasn't until the last decade that ugly people were allowed to start winning things.

Speaker: oh of chance

Speaker: um well shit i was thinking more like uh hallows shadow is it hollow shallow howl it's shallow okay would yeah yeah with the with the whole um uh uh making uh Obese or, you know, lack a better term, you know, bigger people as the butt of a joke because of their of their weight.

Speaker: um i That's the way I took it. Or.

Speaker: or is it a commentary on people like that? and They're the butt of the joke. That's how I took it. You see this guy who is shallow. I mean, it's apt naming, shallow hell, right?

Speaker: he's He's this only into the physical physicality of the whole situation. There is no digging deeper for the real. Beauty begins inside.

Speaker: That's just my opinion. And that's what I've learned about folks. I don't care how pretty you are on the outside. You can be one of this son of

Speaker: a bitch. I think the problem came in with The fact that they used a conventionally attractive woman such as, who was it? Gwyneth Paltrow at the time who played that? yeah In a fat suit.

Speaker: It was the fat suit thing. Instead of having a woman of that size just just play that part. Well, what were they done at the end when she got thin?

Speaker: what Oh, did she get thin? See, I haven't watched that movie in so long. Well, he had to have seen her for her real self at some point. Oh, wait, the real self was big. Yeah, that's that's my point, yeah.

Speaker: Either way, you're to have people, and it would look the same, maybe. That's what it was. yeah and yeah I mean, the the plot of the movie, don't get me wrong, I 100% agree. I think it's a good message on, ah good satire message on accepting people for who they are.

Speaker: You know, looking, and looking past the ah surface level, looking looking for that inner beauty. I think it's a great message. I think the heart ah heartburn was, well, why have a conventional, attractive woman such as Gennett such as Gwyneth Paltrow in a fat suit, instead of just having a woman that is that size play that role. if The whole point is people that are women or people that size are still beautiful.

Speaker: i think it was, i think it's the way people were kind of look, we're looking at it, how it was, it betrayed bad body image. Okay. Go to Talladega Nights.

Speaker: The pit girl. I haven't watched that game. Played by Isla Fisher. I'll have to take your word for it. haven't watched the glasses and she has a ponytail.

Speaker: And that's how they uglied her up. Isla Fisher. She's the ugly girl that pines for Ricky Bobby, right? What's the name? Will Ferrell's character.

Speaker: Oh, okay. Come on, man. That's the ugly chick? Because she's got a ponytail and some glasses? Get the f out of here. Oh, that's like in, you're talking about, okay, she was supposed to portray the archetype of... ah The nerd or whatever, the girl who doesn't get the guy. Ugly duckling into into a beautiful swan later on in the movie.

Speaker: Yeah, and they and they did it Clark Kent style. Change the hair. Change the hair. Slap some glasses on it.

Speaker: Worst alter ego ever. What's up, Lazy? Hey, do not call me names. I am no gentleman.

Speaker: Thank you, you fucking scallywag. There ah there was another movie I had in mind, something along those lines. It was one ah it was one of those spoof movies, but I believe it was ah it was a spoof on American Pie where the main chick in the movie was supposed to be ugly, but all it was was you let her hair down, take her glasses off, and get her out. you know put Put her in some windblow-y.

Speaker: Yeah, or it's something that wasn't, because she was wearing denim coveralls during most of the movie. You put her in something nice. It's like, oh, now she's the most hottest woman in the and college, or bla blah, blah, blah. Yeah, no, I get you. Yeah.

Speaker: It's like, well, that wasn't, again, it was the Clark Kent thing. Yeah. no It's already got lipstick. It's not a pig either. What what are you doing? Ouch.

Speaker: Oh, man. oh man I think we got off topic. What was the question? Oh, body image. Body image. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I have a hard time blaming any industry for any anything.

Speaker: People are perfectly capable, if they chose to, of making their own minds and being ah their own critical thinking process. Okay. People are entirely too willing in this day and age, and this is just my humble opinion, way too willing to be told what they're thinking.

Speaker: I agree. They become comfortable not having to think for themselves. Therefore, they stop thinking for themselves. And it does make sense. The world does need ditch diggers and non-thinking, non-computing people. Just grab a shovel.

Speaker: NPCs? Exactly. exactly I think is the the word. Dirtiest thing ever I heard today. NPCs. NPCs. There's a meme from the past. Wow.

Speaker: I'm trying to think of other movies that were controversial when it come to body images. Because the Shallow How one is ah theres the first one that popped in my mind. It was basically about the body suit. I think there was a Ryan Reynolds movie, too, where he wore a suit.

Speaker: And it was sort of the same thing, but. Best friends or the friend zone, something like that. But it went, it went the opposite where he was the fat kid, but he got hot. i need it Yeah. He was the ugly duckling in that, in that archetype, in that movie. Yeah. So like, I guess if you start from one and go to the other, like,

Speaker: That's the wrong thing. it's still But it's still putting an emphasis on the conventional beauty is better. Right, right, right. Exactly. I used to look like this piece of shit. Now I'm not. Now that's the thing the body image you're talking about. I couldn't agree more on that particular case.

Speaker: I honestly think that Hollywood doesn't do as much damage to body images like diet pills and fad diets when they advertise. and crap like that. I think they do worse, to tell you the truth.

Speaker: because there're They're really sitting there saying, hey, this this before I looked, this is bad. and Then I took these magic pills and now I look like this.

Speaker: It's common culture.

Speaker: Everything's throwaway. so On one hand, you've got Lizzo. Love who you are, be beautiful, blah, blah, blah. you know But then on the other side of the coin,

Speaker: Well, this is beautiful. Do you want to be this or not? Yeah. RTDs. I don't know what you mean by that, but I'm curious, Zampia. Zampia is pretty funny dude.

Speaker: I do want to, like, sitting in my travel trailer at the track, relaxing after the shit show at 50 mile hour winds today. He works on a pit crew, if I remember right, for a track. All

Speaker: all right.

Speaker: I can't think of anything else on the ah whole body image thing. Again, in my opinion, it's not the it's not the industry's fault. I mean, you can still think for yourself. if you're If you're capable of that.

Speaker: I like to think of myself as a free thinker. I critically think about all sorts of things. A lot of people aren't like that. They just... a

Speaker: I guess...

Speaker: I guess this is an overall society thing. Like you had said, you know, a little bit ago, it's not just Hollywood because I brought up the diet thing. There's that there's other avenues to, Oh, there's family members that would probably look at their fat cousin and be like, maybe you should go on a diet bar.

Speaker: You know what I mean? Which is totally rude. And you should not do that. I was only joking when I said that I wouldn't actually do that to anybody, but I think, i think it comes from, it's a society in general.

Speaker: So, So I actively work against that society. Anytime I'm in public, I see something I like about somebody, I make a point to say something to them about it.

Speaker: It's like, wow that color purple looks really great on that person. I'm going to say something to them. hey purple is your color. It looks great. And it'll be, oh, my God, thank you so much. You never know whose day you can brighten by a simple compliment, if you mean it.

Speaker: Sincerity definitely goes a long way. You know what, Rip Dog? i've been i have i'm I'm suspecting that Glick's been dying his beard too.

Speaker: Ryan Reynolds did it in Just France. Just France. I think the whole the whole body image thing might be one of those in ah situations where it's not Hollywood, but it's art representing reality.

Speaker: Yeah. Life represents art. Art represents life. It goes both directions. But if you're going to do that kind of thing, I say make a social commentary out of it. Don't just do it because it's commonplace.

Speaker: Yeah. Lucas Oil Speedway. Ah. Our MPC RTD. Okay. i but See, I know MPC is non... ah ah non non-player character.

Speaker: But RTD, I don't know. Unless I think it's just you're just using shorthand for the art the other word that does get say on this network, but I don't personally like saying it lot. I work for Lucas Oil.

Speaker: That's right.

Speaker: And yes, Rip Dog, Glick is getting his beard dyed by your mom. So there we go. nice

Speaker: his beard

Speaker: Alright. Let's... This one. this one Is it ethical to depict real life tragedies in movies? When I first read this, but first i know even the this isn't just one avenue that you can talk about this, but I was thinking of Faces of Death.

Speaker: Uh... The Many Faces of Death. We were just talking about that on another show not too long ago. while we were I was sitting there listening to it. I might even have commented.

Speaker: Yeah. That's not my idea of tragedy. Okay. but Okay. Some of the stuff, sure. Like they show the wreck wrecks or whatever, then they then they show the bodies after the wrecks. And that's ah gross.

Speaker: But at the time, there was really no I mean, you have a sense of right wrong at all times. Don't get me wrong there. But it just wasn't done before. And it's like, well, hell, people need to see this. You know what I mean?

Speaker: Children need to know what's awaiting them.

Speaker: i'm ah You know, i'm I'm on the same boat. I think. I think. sugarcoating reality for people just makes it worse when we grow older or when we grow up to be adults.

Speaker: Yeah. um I'm not saying, I'm not saying sit your kid and put true tragedy videos on him and warp his brain. Like that that's not what I'm so what i'm saying. But in like enough Barney young one. Yeah. Right. Yeah.

Speaker: But, uh, yeah, yeah. I'm not saying have a video of snuff porn of fucking Barney getting his ass beat by a fucking barbed up bat. But more or less, ah this this drove me nuts when i lived when when me and my ex and kids stayed with our or my in-laws for for a little bit before bought our house.

Speaker: um We'd be sitting in the living room and the new and we're kids are sitting there and the news pops in the other. The adults are already watching the news and this this new story comes up with comes on about like this horrendous car crash accident and it's showing like.

Speaker: Cars all mangled and you can tell there's like this streak of red going across the pavement and all that. And then next, you know, all the adults in the room are grabbing the remotes, turning it off. No, don't let the kids see that.

Speaker: I think that's wrong. I think that's really wrong. I think that's shielding, that's shielding kids from reality and the truth. And I think that does damage later on life. Again, I'm not saying sit your kid down and have them watch 24 seven car accidents. That's not what I'm saying, but.

Speaker: don't Don't be scared to allow your kids or anybody to stumble on reality, I guess. Right. Enough Fraggle Rock, kids. Let's watch Schindler's List.

Speaker: I think there should be a balance. A little bit of Fraggle Rock, a little bit Schindler's List. That's right. Yeah. You've got to have something to temper it with. Yes. But when I was thinking... Fraggle Rock.

Speaker: Yeah. When I was ah looking at the question, here's what I thought of. Things like Pearl Harbor, for instance. Mm-hmm. thought those kind of movies. thought that particular depiction was gross, and I hated every second of it.

Speaker: Mm-hmm. Why is it a love story? Why is it a love story?

Speaker: You're talking about, oh, so when they take when when they take war movies or stories and they add a bit of romance plot in it. um agu Yeah, I hate it. This is what, okay So people have on this network has probably heard me say in the past, I don't like watching war movies.

Speaker: This is one of the reasons. Because it's like people go to these war movies and not everybody. Some people have an idea that these are loosely based on the true events that happen, you know that helped me, you know, was the historical events for such and such movies.

Speaker: However, there's been so many times we're all getting a conversation with somebody and we'll the we'll be talking about event in history about war and they'll reference the movie.

Speaker: And I'm like, no, don't don't use don't reference some of a Hollywood war movie as some sort of of ah citation for the true historical event.

Speaker: um Because a lot of times, that's exactly what Michael said. they they They Hollywood them up. They romanticize them. and Actually adding like different plot elements to the story that has no fucking no no bearing on the story at all. Like, a love interest.

Speaker: Take Titanic, for instance. A true tragedy. Yeah? And then they make it into Schindler's Fraggle. Fraggle's list.

Speaker: I would... That's really funny. Sorry, I lost my train of thought. That really just reset my whole shebang. It happens. Why the hell is it Leonardo DiCaprio and whatever fucking name is?

Speaker: It's a whole love story. it a whole love story And that is bullshit. And the whole heart of the sea or whatever it was called, the teardrop of the ocean, whatever the hell that thing is.

Speaker: That was just supposed to be the Hope Diamond. Yeah. yeah it wasn't It wasn't even there. It's like op ah Oppenheimer when it came out. i been bring a whole lot so okay I watched it only because there was some actors in there that i really enjoyed watching. And it was a good movie.

Speaker: However, it was on the border of movie I typically wouldn't watch because it was a historical event that was romanticized and there's definitely a lot in there that has nothing to do with It ah has nothing to do with the love story.

Speaker: That's so part of it. sort of the love story in it. Yeah. In Oppenheimer. Anyway. Oppenheimer. Not a horrible movie, but again, when you watch movies like that, they're not real documentaries. It's the Hollywood formula. It's the formula. You gotta have a love story.

Speaker: That's what put ladies' asses in seats, according to Hollywood. Because Hollywood's a bunch of idiots. I hate PG-13 movies. Well, I don't hate PG-13 movies. I hate the fact that Hollywood seems to have the bulk of all movies made PG-13 because...

Speaker: It gets more asses in seats, I guess. Yeah. More chance for profit.

Speaker: But there is a billion dollar R-rated movie. Go. so

Speaker: oo Gentlemen, we are going to take another break because I need to reset again. so When we come back, we'll be discussing another topic of interest. We're maybe continuing this one.

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Speaker: My gosh, words are hard to make. Anyway, you got Blick and you got you got Rick talking about touchdowns and spanking in the locker rooms. That happens in sports, I hear.

Speaker: And then they also have a co-host. My gosh, his name escapes me, but he's a professional athlete.

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Speaker: It is, it is fantasy trivia. There was something else I was going to bring up where we got into the next topic question, but, uh, we completed But didn't really fall under consensus, I don't think.

Speaker: I guess what I was trying to say, it's not necessarily unethical to portray these events. what i Oh, okay, yeah. What I find problems with is the way it's portrayed.

Speaker: Example?

Speaker: Pearl Harbor. Okay. Okay, i got you. Well, don't... Don't gloss over the humanity and death to make it a pretty little picture of a love story.

Speaker: Which, by the way, was creepy. It was a very lecherous lechous love story. There we go. Thank you, Glick. Derek Wayne, Derek... Wayne Douglas, former guest on Glick's House of Music.

Speaker: He's a musician, not an athlete. But he knows the sports really well. So I'm sorry. I know you had a football player up there, too, one time. so Which I want him to come back.

Speaker: I want to talk to him when it comes to politics and other social zeitgeist kind of stuff. um I think he'd probably enjoy talking to that football player. He's not a football player anymore. think he got canned because he was protesting against Tesla or something. I can't remember.

Speaker: I've

Speaker: got opinions on that type of thing, too. We'll keep those for another day. Yes. ah Movies like Titanic and Pearl Harbor use the terms based on true events. Yeah, they of course, you're based.

Speaker: Basically, don't go watch a Hollywood war movie thinking you're expecting accuracy. i think and I think what Michael's trying to say is those, because wars is is tragic.

Speaker: And I think when you do that to a war epic orr or you sugarcoat it, basically is what they're doing. When you say they're kind of devaluing. The T-Day movie, the Spielberg good. What was that? You know

Speaker: you know what I'm talking about. Apocalypse? Not Apocalypse. No, Tom Hanks was in it, who I won't support any anymore. for Oh, um Band of Brothers? No, that was the whole series. This was just um a one-time movie.

Speaker: Saving Private Ryan? Saving Private Ryan. There's an example of a war movie. It's about the war. There's a mission. There's no love story other than a mother's love for her sons.

Speaker: Yes, I was thinking Chris... chris clue as well um there was another movie that came out within the last decade 18 it was about world war one i remember right it was but the reason why this movie was pretty cool when it comes to the filmography was it was shot in one continuous shot the entire movie it was about these guys going through through the the war trenches and what was going on during that battle. I forgot that it was like 1928 or something like that was the name of the movie.

Speaker: That one was a good war movie from Hollywood because it it was just, it was like you said, was Private Benjamin. it was It was just about the war itself. Did you say Private Benjamin?

Speaker: I did. Saving Private Ryan.

Speaker: Private Benjamin, great war movie.

Speaker: I'm trying to remember the name of that movie. Continuously shot. One continuous shot. You've got to be kidding.

Speaker: Continuously one shot war movie.

Speaker: nineteen seventeen 1917. That's what it was. The war movie 1917 directed by Sam Mendes is known for its innovative cine cinematography, which gives the impression of being shot in a single continuous take, even though it's actually a series of cleverly connected shots.

Speaker: But the way it's done is fabulous. And it's one of those war movies done in Hollywood that doesn't throw in the extras, right? So it's i think I think you'd actually enjoy it. If you if you enjoy Hollywood war movies without all that extra bullshit, you'd probably like this movie. I forgot who plays him off the top of my head.

Speaker: very well done movie. You'll to check it out. in seventeen 1917. yeah Other movies. especially Other movies. ah War movies that just absolutely suck.

Speaker: I just like movies in general. I'm saying I like movies. Oh, okay. agree But just some movies are well more easy to like than others. Yeah. But I think going back to to tragedies being depicted, um yeah, I see, I think, um, I see no problem with that.

Speaker: I was thinking like real world tragedies, but guess war movies would be considered real world tragedies based off of. How would you feel up if they did a movie, uh, let's say they even did it in real time about the World Trade Centers.

Speaker: Like a documentary? Like a movie.

Speaker: And actually like showed people falling off the buildings and stuff? Of course it was. Not necessarily that, but I mean, they you know, they're going put that in there. Yeah. Parallel things to the entire story. I mean, it'd probably be, it depends.

Speaker: Usually when movies get ratings, it depends on what is shown. So, I mean, if you're going to show the tragedies, of course going for an R rating. But if you're if if if the movie is supposed to be based off realistic life events, and as long as you're not adding any extra fluff, and you're staying real to the historical event, I don't think it should get a rating. I think it should be general audience. I don't think i think and don't think anybody should be censored from watching a real-world tragic story.

Speaker: that I think that's important. Regardless, you know... But this is a Hollywood film. You know that two of the first responders are going to be having a rough morning. Then they're going to get drawn together, and then he's going to go down in that building, and then she's to have to pick up the pieces.

Speaker: Literally. Oh, yeah. oh And that's the name. It's a romantic comedy. It's called Pick It Up The Pieces, revolved around the World Trade Center tragedy, Oh, yeah this is a legit story? a legit No, I'm fucking around, man. and i'm I'm making a terrible pitch that some dickhead in Hollywood would buy.

Speaker: But you're not wrong. Okay, see that's what you're saying. you're And you're not wrong. Okay, I see what you're saying. And you're not wrong. They would probably do that. There's great new rom-com. Oh, man, if they did a rom-com using that, man, I think, oh, man.

Speaker: That's a slap. That's fucked up. that's but

Speaker: Where are you going for date night? We're going to go watch the World Trade Center fall. We're going to him picking up the pieces. Yeah, that was a real pitch.

Speaker: Hollywood, get a hold of me. I've got more. Oh, man. And that's my point. like me you can' certain i don't I don't see anything in and of itself wrong with making the depiction.

Speaker: It's something that happened. Tell that story. yeah But make that story of the story. Don't fill in the blanks with shit. Like Chris Pratt playing the goddamn EMT, right?

Speaker: And he's going to have to go in the building and and his girlfriend who's saying, oh, she's a rookie cop. Walking the beat in New York City. where Don't make that the story. That's all I'm saying.

Speaker: Make it about the event, not bullshit events that lighten the event. i wouldn't I wouldn't put it past Hollywood to do something like that, that's for sure. I'm going to make it happen.

Speaker: going start GoFundMe tonight. If you want to see Picking Up the Pieces,

Speaker: I'm a terrible human being.

Speaker: I'm not like what happens when you bring a clown like show I'm putting putting on I'm putting on my MP my MPC hat um um I think as long as you didn't do a rom-com and you pitched it as a drama, like with that like a romantic drama, because the like the first responders and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker: Dude, that shit would probably MGM. I bet i bet somebody would pick that up. Or at least pick it up just to buy the rights to to maybe do it.

Speaker: That way Paramount can't build it. That's great. We got to buy this before Disney gets a hold of it.

Speaker: Oh my God, speaking of Disney, I surf or I scroll past the headlines saying they they're thinking about Disney Plus starting plan or thinking about doing a ah Simpsons 24 seven streaming channel.

Speaker: And then it clicked. I'm like, that's right. Disney box. box

Speaker: you want to watch, if you want to watch Homer and the gang, you got to find them bootlegged on this beautiful thing called YouTube or you got to have Disney Plus. No. I'm not a hater of the show. I just never watched it.

Speaker: and Yeah, I only watched it because my parents watched it for a little bit. And my parents aren't too progressive. think after little bit earlier. My dad was never a Tracy Ullman fan. I don't say liked Tracy Ullman back in the day.

Speaker: I did too. I think she's awesome.

Speaker: All right. let's ah We're going to get into a little bit of a movie or Hollywood and technology. Oh, boy. Oh, yeah. Sorry about deep fakes. Oh, good. And I've got a shit.

Speaker: Oh, man, this is. And I'm talking about shit like they did with that Terminator movie with Arnold Schwarzenegger. But like there's this there was I think Glenn Close said something recently about this. She's like, I don't want my fucking image to be used after I die. And Hollywood just owns my image like that.

Speaker: Should deep fake technology be banned in the film industry? I don't think it should be banned. However, I think it should be some ethical parameters put into place.

Speaker: What do you think, Michael? I'm with you. necessari Not to ban it, but use it with some dignity and respect. Man, I just watched Rogue One today.

Speaker: It's the first Disney-owned film. I loved it. Myself, personally, loved it. However, Tarkin... has been dead for 20 years.

Speaker: Those deep fakes of Tarkin were gross. Say, okay, if gonna make an animated movie, make an animated movie. yeah It's not who framed Roger Rabbit here. And then at the very end, Carrie Fisher's, young Carrie Fisher,

Speaker: Oh, it was so gross. It didn't even look like her. It was... ah It just takes you right out of the whole film experience. And Vader just walked down a hallway whipping ass left, right, and center. And that was cool.

Speaker: And then what takes you out of it? Not the space wizard using powers and a laser sword going down a hallway. Not that. It's Carrie Fisher's mug that is an obvious cartoon on someone else's goddamn body.

Speaker: That's...

Speaker: I got a hard facet opinion on deep fakes, man. I hate them. I hate them. I hate them. The one with Mark Hamill. So they're like, okay, why are you possessing, putting your thoughts together? I'm just going to keep ranting here. I'm telling you right now, I hate deep faking.

Speaker: luke go for ah Mark Hamill, Luke Skywalker is deep faked in like the season finale, I think, of The Mandalorian. Yeah. and It was so bad. it didn't look like him.

Speaker: It was just, it was gross. And people were apparently coming to tears when they see this. And I think it's because they can't believe what they've done again poor Mark Hamill.

Speaker: It's like, let Luke be Luke, man. Why are you ruining Luke for everybody and himself? Leave Jake Skywalker alone.

Speaker: ah Agreed. i agree. Come on. Yeah, I think. i think I'm looking at it from a labor perspective. as in so I go i want want to use that Terminator example again. like Arnold Schwarzenegger was in the movie. like The real dude.

Speaker: However, because the Terminator franchise expands so many years, like Arnold ain't that young anymore. so they They need to portray him as young Arnold from like from the first movie. so They use the fake.

Speaker: They use a deep fake. And I thought that was fine. You had the real actor in the movie, the same franchise, everything's ethical, everything contracts are signed, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker: After an actor actress passes, dies, whatever, or just is just say thespian, thespian expires. Well, like...

Speaker: Why does Hollywood, like, just because, like, Paramount made a movie that, you know, so long ago with this specific actor. And so, therefore, they have the rights to the the image of their face or or how they look. So, in the future, they get to just CGI them and AI them into anything they want.

Speaker: I think that's lazy, first of all. first of all And I think that i think that's going to hurt future actors, especially when it seems like Hollywood doesn't even want to even like make anything new. It's like you're just continuing these same franchises by doing this.

Speaker: So it's just it makes the whole movie experience, I think, more cheap. So you're saying kill the franchise? Yeah, yeah. Horribly killed. I mean,

Speaker: Like, again, with the term Terminator one, it's fine. But let's say Arnold passed away, and it's like 20 years down the road, and they're still plugging away this same franchise. And they're using Arnold's likeness.

Speaker: And they're like, we need to do another you know flashback to 1984 Terminator, and they use that same thing, but... right You've already done it once. Do something new.

Speaker: Stop making Terminator movies. Make something else. That's all I'm saying. Because there's going to be future actors out there. I think the way Hollywood's going, and think it's hurting ah labor, like work, like people getting jobs within that industry.

Speaker: Deepfaking. in It's that prevalent?

Speaker: No, not not that prevalent, but I can see how it could, I mean, AI in general, and this doesn't just go for the Hollywood industry. This goes for AI being applied in all sorts of different industries and how AI is kind of lazing up some industries. Like there was a lawyer firm that used to write its freaking court briefings.

Speaker: um And it used made up court precedent court cases. And they had it in nobody double checked and the judge and everybody in the courts like, what is this shit? They had to apologize. and What I'm saying is, i think this is how AI is going to.

Speaker: People are going to rely on audit it too much, and yeah it's not going to be the same experience. yeah i i mean that's I think CGI has gotten too overdone in in some franchises, and it's ruined MCU.

Speaker: so

Speaker: When you want to be comic book accurate, like I prefer the CGI Hulk versus a guy a suit. s Thing, also, the thing. want a CGI thing.

Speaker: I don't want to see Michael Chiglis in a rubber suit again. No, thank you. It's been done. The thing is huge compared to everybody else. it It makes sense.

Speaker: Like the Hulk. You can't just have Mike Ruffalo be his size. was Just paint him green. He can't be Lou Ferrigno.

Speaker: i Well, see, that's like here let's say, about... ah say about 20 years. They were like, is wait, is Luke Prigno? Is he still alive? I think he's still alive.

Speaker: Luke who?

Speaker: A guy who played the original Hulk in the show, Ferrigno. Oh, Lou Ferrigno? Maybe alive. Bill Bixby, dead. Yeah. Yeah, I know Bill Bixby's dead.

Speaker: But let's say, like, in the future, they wanted to make a make a and a new Incredible Hulk movie, and somebody had this idea of, like, hey, man, let's use the likeness of Lou Ferrigno from, like, when did that come out? The seventy s And they do that. and they told go i sir and And they start making these new Marvel movies.

Speaker: And all these actors that they're using are just all deep fakes from the old MCU movies because they're just bringing back their likenesses. Tony Stark will never actually have to die as Iron Man ever again.

Speaker: um just saying. Now I've got a question because I don't know and on the topic. Do you know that... Christopher Lee. No way. Not Christopher Lee. Is that his name? Christopher Lee? No.

Speaker: No. Who plays Tarkin? The other one. Not Christopher Lee. He was... I'm not a huge Star Wars person, so I don't know.

Speaker: It'll come to me tomorrow when I'm not on the show anymore. Don't worry. Fair. So, the guy who plays Grand Moff Tarkin, was his estate approached? Was his family approached?

Speaker: Oh, wrong. Wrong. I don't know. i don't know. Like, did his people get money? Did something, did somebody get money for that likeness? Or is it that, well, they felt they owned it somehow, which they don't because they don't necessarily own a likeness. That's not part of your contract.

Speaker: Generally in that type of a contract, I don't know about 30, 40 years ago, but those kinds of things were not even a thing like owning the likeness of somebody.

Speaker: Like this rights, that's all newer. so There was a a pro an interview was the interview with Glenn Close. I believe it was Glenn Close. And they were talking about how this is going to be an issue because of the technology now.

Speaker: Of course, 34 years ago, like you said, wasn't a thing. But this is this is this this this thing is coming up in contract talks now. So this is something that is going to start ah impacting the industry more, I think.

Speaker: Of course, this just speculation on my part.

Speaker: I can't tell if he froze or not, sir. No, I'm looking it up. Oh, okay. That's okay. I'm looking up the thing about the, uh, here's deep faking target and lay. I should find with, uh, that's just talking about how it looks.

Speaker: While you do that, I'm a roll us into another break and then we'll come back. We'll finish up this last question. We'll start wrapping up the show. Okay.

Speaker: Thank you.

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Speaker: All right. That was the evil by reckless. Hi. um So I brought up. It's from a fascia fascia dot AI slash blog slash deep fake.

Speaker: I've been in movies, but blah, blah, blah, blah. Anyway, it gives shows me three movies that were used. That's used deep fakes. And it's basically to overlay a current actor's face to age them or make them make them younger.

Speaker: Central Intelligence released in 2016. Use use CGI deepfake AI. because So yes, deepfake employs CGI, but at the same time it also employs an AI sort of enhancement.

Speaker: I'm simplifying that. Created a face swap of Dwayne The Rock Johnson over Sion Kelpie's face to show him fat in his youth.

Speaker: So just put his face over another actor. Interesting. Fast and the Furious 7. God, there's... 7? I forgot there's so many of those stupid movies out.

Speaker: Anyway, this one... What's that? Fast X. Does that mean 10? I think so. Yeah. Before the movie could be released, Paul Walker, the second lead hero, dies in a tragic accident. His brothers Cody Walker and Caleb Walker were honored to...

Speaker: So they basically brought Paul Walker back for but number seven. So they can, yeah. But and he used what they used his brothers as the stand-in and then put his face over them.

Speaker: And then the Irishman was another one. This one this is where Al Pacino and Robert Niro were both aged and de-aged using fake technology.

Speaker: so Pesci also. Yes. Pesci, that's another one. ah so I guess right now in Hollywood, it's mostly used to age the age and kind of tweak an actor's appearance.

Speaker: There's an interesting ah YouTube video with Scorsese and those particular three actors sitting around talking about that in the movie The Irishman. That is a movie I send you to sit down and watch. Movies like that, mob movies like that is not my Not usually my thing.

Speaker: there That particular one rang true for me, especially because that takes place in Cleveland. I live an hour east of Cleveland. Oh, okay. That's my local history. They use Youngstown, Ohio in a lot of the scenes as well, and I live like 20 minutes from Youngstown, Ohio.

Speaker: Youngstown, Ohio was halfway in between Pittsburgh and Cleveland, so the families from Pittsburgh and Cleveland would meet up in Youngstown, and a lot of things would go on. Okay. so that was So for you, it's like some local history. Some local history in that movie. Okay, it I can see how that's... Okay, cool, cool.

Speaker: Now the Scorsese one, that was more about Hoffa. I think that was Hoffa. Okay. Let's see, did they leave anymore? That was really it. The Irishman. Here's...

Speaker: here's a Here's a deep fake. Somebody's swapping a Chinese president's face over Justin Trudeau's. That's funny, but I'm not going into that. So anyway, closing that website.

Speaker: Not going down a rabbit hole of butt fuckery. um so Lucasfilm is being sued by a guy named Kevin Francis.

Speaker: He's a longtime friend of Peter Cushing, who played Grand Moff Tarkin. Now, Lucasfilm says that they had the rights

Speaker: because, let's see where it says, Lucasfilm claims they had the right to use his likeness as it was part of the contract he signed with the company when he made Star Wars. That would have been the first one way back when. As well as the nature of the special effects, whatever that means.

Speaker: But Lucasfilm paid Cushing's estate 28,000 pounds, about $36,500. but thirty six thousand five hundred dollars But according to this Kevin Francis fellow, he says Cushing signed in ah an agreement preventing anyone from using his likeness without this Francis fellow's permission in 1993, a year before he died.

Speaker: So he's suing Lucasfilm. and But what in the if he signed an initial contract with Lucas... All I'm saying is his dying wish was not to let people use his likeness now that he's gone.

Speaker: Yeah. unless Francis agrees with him because he would have known what his general tendencies were for what he would and would not be willing to promote. i need i want to look more into this. That's interesting. And do a follow-up later on it.

Speaker: Now, in the Paul Walker situation, I'm sure that was agreed upon with somebody because his brothers stood in. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I'm sure, yeah, if the families were involved, The family, estate was probably all kosher with it. Yeah, totally different.

Speaker: Well, the like i said, they paid the estate even though they weren't required to. Well, apparently all of his actual like ah family are dead. So it's just an estate.

Speaker: ah And I wonder if the fellow is just looking to get a payout. Oh, okay. Okay.

Speaker: I don't know that's the case. It's just, you know, like I said, I critically think about things. Maybe this is some bullshit. No, but... A little suckery. and All right, so the reason why i'm I'm kind of coming from the labor side of this is because without that that component, after someone passes away, like, they're dead.

Speaker: Like... how how can you use somebody's likeness without their permission or even with their permission after they've already expired? It's irrelevant.

Speaker: Like that's so like, I don't on an F like on a, on a, on a, Oh, what's that word? I'm looking, I guess on a meta, in a meta kind of way, it doesn't make, it's really no big deal.

Speaker: but when it comes to financial estates, because contracts and monies are exchanging hands, um, that is where the unethical in the coercions and the manipulation and people getting exploited comes in.

Speaker: I mean, if it wasn't ah if it wasn't for the money and all that aspect, it was if it was just purely for art, um it wouldn't, to me, wouldn't be a huge deal except for the fact that it could potentially take jobs way down the road.

Speaker: That's really my my biggest concern with deepfake. And if you really think about... oh Do you go through the self-checkout lane at the grocery?

Speaker: I do, yes. You're not that worried about labor. No. no no No, no, no, no, no. No, that's no that's that's not that's not true at all.

Speaker: i I'm good. Yeah, but well technology is going to happen. mean, that's that's just us humans progressing with technology. That's always happened.

Speaker: That's because human technology advancement. it's Oh yeah, absolutely. Oh no, I mean um but Yes, but but but we're but we're but we're talking about people's creativity.

Speaker: I'm talking about I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. Technology she should definitely be there to make our lives easier and make us you know not have to work as hard.

Speaker: you know um I mean, but see, we could probably get rid of these self-checkouts and still have all those cash registers full of people working three, four-hour shifts, rotating out, and getting good pay doing it.

Speaker: And then living wage that way. 30 bucks an hour working don't know what, or 25 20, 25 fucking hours a week.

Speaker: Or you can not pay people and put in the self-checkout.

Speaker: So.

Speaker: Anyway, that's a whole different that's a whole different conversation. anyway

Speaker: He's like, hurry up and land your plane, motherfucker.

Speaker: I give.

Speaker: Oh, man. That's a whole freaking conversation about capitalism versus labor and all that crap. We'll do that on the show. Yes. Right now, we're going to go ahead wind stuff down.

Speaker: God, I had some more questions. However, I had them as backup in case we get got them or not. But i'm a go i do I have listed all five questions I had originally picked on all in the description. So if anybody wants to go check those out, feel free. We did cover audience, deep fakes, and body image, and tragedies.

Speaker: Oh, so there's only one more left. It was the science drama. So go check that out. Here, I'll just read the question. I'll read the question, but we're not going to discuss it tonight. Is science fiction more insightful about society than historical dramas?

Speaker: Oh, man. We've got so much to say about that. I know. I know. Well. Make it the first question next time. I know. I kind of forgot about that one. Oh, dude.

Speaker: The whole Star Trek thing, man. We we should have a juicy talk about it. You know what? that would This topic would actually make for a good idea for a long-form show when it comes to just talking about Star Trek.

Speaker: it's It's um it's behind-the-scenes sort of plot of what it's about sort of in a progressive way.

Speaker: Talk about some of the technology that was depicted in it that later on in life, we kind of use in some sort of like analogous form. um Yeah, i think i think I think that would be a good long-form show.

Speaker: I might have to come up with some ideas. i have been wanting to do long-form show, and I think that would be a good one. I can do that.

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