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OPE Season 3 Episode 16 Cardinals Soar Into Lambeau
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Aloha and welcome to another episode of OPE! On this episode we fight through our tiredness to preview the week 6 match up between the Green Bay Packers and Arizona Cardinals.
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Transcript
Intro
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Introduction: Packers vs. Cardinals Preview
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Aloha and welcome to another episode of the AHANA Packers Edition podcast. Today we're previewing the week six game between the Packers and their Arizona Cardinals as the Packers look to get two games above 500 for the first time on the 2024 season. And Joe, we're hoping that we're seeing this team get into, get its get it sea legs and get back to playing more efficient football. but I know we're both a little out of whack. You worked a surprise 12. I've got both the kids because Marisol's on a on a fun, fun trip right now. So we where this one's going to be interesting. We might get a little loopy towards the end. And that's not because we're unprepared. It's because we are indeed loopy individuals tonight. Well, I can already tell I'm out of it because I labeled this as week eight preview. And I'm pretty sure I called the episode that came out Tuesday, week seven.
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far for the course. So I think we're good. The little one might be the only one that's going to be in control by the end of the episode, so that we'll be good on that. That's the clock. That's the clock we're racing against who falls asleep first out of the three of us.
Packers Injury Update: Who's In and Who's Out?
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So the Packers got back to practice. Honestly, one of the better practice reports this far into the season, especially with how lengthy the reports have been, 52 out of the 53 on the active roster did participate today. only one who didn't was Devontae Wyatt, and I believe they said he was riding the bike on the side. So that's a good sign that he's at least attending in person.
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Romeo Dobbs was back at practice today. It looks like, obviously, everyone is subprutering the shot of LeFlore, giving him kind of a ah fist bump at the end of it. And I know some people are saying like, oh, look at this and look at that. But I'm like, Romeo has never been the most vivacious individual, honestly. so It's like he gave him the fist bump, it's whatever. But the other great side of it is Christian Watson was definitely participating and obviously it was Shells today. I don't even know if it was Shells. I know it was they had their helmets, but...
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It was good to see him run some routes. I think they had at least the shoulders on. So it was probably shells. So good to see him run some routes. I don't know how much he really opened up the throttle, but it was just good to see him moving around out there. um there. um Didn't seem to be super favoring or that that ankle. So it was just, you know, it's just a boost to get him back out there. Good to have Romeo back out there because like we said, the best this team is going to be is with all their weapons at hand.
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And Jair was able to practice on Wednesday this week after not being able to go on Wednesday last week. So things are looking up for the Packers on the injury front
Cardinals Threat Assessment: Is Kyler Murray a Problem?
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so far. And honestly, they this Cardinals team isn't special, but Kyler has the the physical talent to make them stupid annoying as the 49ers found out a couple of weeks ago. So all hands on deck will be a good thing for this Packers offense and defense.
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Sorry, I just, I find it funny. Mike's got his daughter on, on his lap watching this and every time Mike goes to speak, she just looks up at him. Oh, it's comical. Uh, but yeah, everything looks good so far. I, I'm pretty sure Christian said something in, in his,
Player Well-being: Mental Health and Rumors
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the locker room that uh, you know, it wasn't as near as bad as they had worried about. And he's, he gives credit to what they figured out in the off season to why he's not as bad as it could be and why he's healed relatively fast. And I think, you know, who knows what the truth is until it all, you know, cause they're never, I mean, they're truthful enough with injuries to tell you what the injury is, but they're never truthful enough to tell you that this is how bad the injury got.
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But he said he fully expects to you know do everything. Coach speak, player speak, do everything he can to play on Sunday. So that's a good a good sign.
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Romeo back in the building it is is a good sign. yeah Yeah,
Life of a Podcaster: Balancing Life and Podcasting
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I saw that a little bit where they were trying to tear apart the video because the floor is just chatting away and having a good time with Watson. And then he just goes over and fist bumps Romeo. And everybody in the world is saying, well, my sources tell me this and my sources tell me that. And in I just.
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i Don't know I I still think that it I'm sorry, I don't mean to laugh but his daughter is being very funny right now, so oh I Still think it has a little bit to do with some kind of mental ah health thing where it may not be like he had a mental health breakdown, but I It could have been something as simple as and well not simple because it if it Caused him to miss practice in a game it you can't call it simple But it probably breaks down to a combination of everything that we're hearing there was some kind of argument Romeo didn't take it. Well it kind of put him in a bad place so that's where the mental health kind of thing comes into a
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We've all been there. We've all been there with the jobs where we've all just, you know, said, screw it. I'm going home. Leave me alone. I don't want to talk to you guys. And then, you know, day or two later you're back in working and, and, and everything else. So everybody's saying, and I, I am just going to say it right now. We're probably going to skip our favorite segment today. Cause I didn't have anything prep.
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I have a video that I wanted to do, uh, uh, cause I saw it on, uh, Tik TOK, but I didn't get a chance to put together the audio for it. But basically the guy was saying that, you know, Romeo was being a diva and you know, how can you be a diva when you're still young and you're still on a rookie contract? And it's like, he, you have no idea what you're talking about.
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Then you got Kurt, Ben Kurt over there that, Oh, well my sources are telling me that they had an argument. It had nothing to do with mental health and blah, blah, blah. And then you had Christian come out and say that, you know, you don't want to speak on Um, but I don't remember the full quote, but he's, he's talked a little bit about mental health in it. And it's like, Oh,
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What do you do? Yeah. i And I made a joke, a tweet joking about it a little bit, but I i do think Christian is coming from a supporter point of view, but it was a little bit like, stop, stop lifting the curtain. you it's It's six inches off the ground, Christian. Stop, stop it.
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well You know, I, not to get too deep in the woods with things, but that's one of the main problems with all this stuff, right? With mental health issues and all that. It's so stigmatized that you're afraid to say something because then people are going to say, Oh, well he's just a basket case. Oh, he's this, you know, right. So, you know, I would be fully open for him to say, yeah, he had a mental breakdown.
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or, you know, he wasn't in his right frame of mind, or he was in a dark place or something like that, because that would help lead it out of being a stigmatized element. But, you know, let's just keep it dark. It's, you know, technically it's violation of HIPAA laws anyway to be talking about it. Oh,
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Uh, you know we it is what it is. So now that i'm off my soapbox. Yes. It's great seeing everybody practice Uh, I I don't want to say we need all hands on deck for the cardinals but we do kind of need all hand hands on deck with the cardinals just because this feels like the 2020 game was it 2020 or 2021 2021. Yeah that thursday night game Because Cardinals are coming in as this tough looking team the Packers are coming in kind of beat up missing this player that player and everything else and so Yeah, we do kind of need all players all hands on deck But you know we do period whether it's the Cardinals or the Rams or whoever we're playing this week. Yeah so
Cardinals' Performance: A Historical Struggle
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Ironically, I feel like that game in 2021 was the last time the Cardinals were actually good because it seems like they've been in a tail you know they their season went in a tailspin in 2021 after they lost that Thursday night game.
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and then you know murray blows out his knee the year after and it's just been you know they went through the turmoil last season where it's like do they take one of the quarterbacks is Kyler the guy blah blah blah all that kind of stuff is it him is it Kingsbury and you know it seems like you know they're like you said they're not great But they're also a team on the rise. They've got some of their up the middle picks. You know, Paris Johnson Jr. looks like he's going to be a keeper. Trey McBride has been a solid tight end for them.
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and then one of the no-brainer picks, Marvin Harrison Jr., has been every bit the pro that he was expected to be. And um serious he has been the epitome of, fuck it, he's down there. Guy for Kyler Murray. Murray's got about three or four of those plays this season. I think one of them was the big play against the Niners a couple of weeks ago that got them into position for the game-winning field goal. Because he was like fourth and 10, and Murray is running for his life, and he just
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you can see it in the place like fuck it i'm chucking it down there 18 is out there so would be good to have gyre back done the funny thing is that it wouldn't be directly that it would be helpful gyre is back because Marvin Harrison Jr. is the kind of guy that gives Jair trouble because he's a good runner route runner that's tall. And that's the kind of guys that Jair has struggled with. not because you know It's purely because he's giving up like five, six inches of height to a guy like Marvin Harrison Jr. And know Jock can mirror him all he wants. But when there's that much of a height difference, there's only so much Jock can do to you know stay in frame and stay in phase.
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But just going over it, if you just go by the the overall statistical team ranks, this Cardinals team is about as mid-mid as you can get on offense. They are 12th in points, 14th in total yards. They're scoring twelfth the 12th most touchdowns per game.
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they rank fourth in rushing which is pretty understandable because of who their quarterback is but passing offense they are excuse me they are 24th in passing so i get the feeling we're gonna see a return to the week one and week two defenses where it's a lot of contain the pocket and you know make kirk keilor have to throw it to win kind of thing something we talked about, you don't want to let the running back go off as you're trying to contain the quarterback. And this is probably the relative, the least dynamic of running backs from those teams. You know, it's not Saquon, it's not Jonathan Taylor, but James Connor has still been a very successful running back in the NFL and the Packers can't let him go on check this week.
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Right. And it looks like he's averaging 4.6 per carry. So I mean, that's a pretty, pretty good job. Very healthy total. Yeah. So yeah, yeah, yeah. 83 attempts, 379 with three touchdowns. So yeah, it looks like he's, he's, uh, I've always been a fan. I mean, he had a feel good story coming out of, uh, uh, college with, yeah.
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where, you know, he was diagnosed with cancer and and he thought all the way back and all that stuff. So I'm, you know, I like him and all that. Uh, it's going to hurt without Wyatt. That's all I can say. It's going to hurt without Wyatt because why it's not there to, unless the defense all of a sudden turns it around.
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Uh, it's going to be hurtful and it's weird to say that about Devontae Wyatt after the last two years of saying, well, he really needs to pick it up. He's doing all right with the pass rush, but he's struggling everywhere else. Well, this year he was started looking like he was putting it all together and then he ends up getting injured. Uh, but it's, it's, and they've got Trey Benson and Benson was one of them, you know, one of the ones talked about.
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Majorly in this last draft about how talented he is and all that stuff. I don't know. It's. I there's there's a common thing that's been talked about with Kyler is that, well, you don't want to get him out of the pocket because he's either going to run it or he's going to throw bombs. Well, I know what I would do then. I would make sure you just contain and leave him in the pocket and tell him to beat you with his arms.
00:14:32
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Especially because he's a smaller guy and you want to just kind of keep him in the pocket. Don't let him see the field good. And for the most part, that's what they did to him in 2021 and why they had success stopping him when they had a, you know, that was the Rizzo Douglas game because Jair was hurt. And, you know, yeah so yeah, they they have the game plan and it'll be, it's all about discipline and execution this week.
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As you can tell Mike's having troubles with with the little one over there so Then this would be the game that the pass rush really needs to step up and I know It's probably not because they're gonna be in super contained mode with Kyler But like Mike just said him being a smaller quarterback the pass rush really needs to be pushed and it
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It wouldn't. I'm struggling with my words here, so it wouldn't. The more you can hit him because he's a smaller quarterback, the better.
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And I know you can say that about a lot of quarterbacks, but if you can get in his face beings that he's smaller and he, you know, let's face it, he'll, he'll struggle looking, seeing over his offensive lineman to make a throw. If he can't see the pressure coming, then the better. And this would be the time for, uh, half lead to really.
00:16:00
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change up his looks, maybe a little bit more stunts, maybe a little bit more loading up a single side. Maybe this is the week you try Van Ness and Gary together.
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So like I said, I'm kind of stumbling over my words because I'm having a hard time putting it together. Because you don't want to stay with contain because we've seen contain the first two weeks and we struggled with it For the most part it It made our our pass rush not look good But then again, you want a strong pass rush because if you can keep hitting them and putting them under pressure He'll struggle with it with their game plan Yeah, Yeah, I agree and I wonder if this is the week where you've got a little more
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comfort with getting like Edge Cooper on the field more often. You've got a week now where Evan Williams started at safety across from McKinney and Bullard was your slot. And Quay has been really good blitzing up the A gap so you know you use the D line as a QB contain but you send any one of Kway Cooper or Bullard on a blitz to try and like basically smoke Kyler into the contain man and I know that sounds a little weird because you're like oh but you don't want him to leave the pocket so you know you're containing but that's the whole point is that you've got the 4D linemen holding their position
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But then you use whichever Blitzer to push him into help. And that's where we were both saying like, it's going to take a lot of discipline this week because You gotta be gap sound, you gotta have pass brush lane integrity. And at the same time, like you said, Joe, you can't become complacent or idle. You have to keep pushing the pedal down to get as much pressure on Kyler as you can. Because, you know, as much as we joked about it, he is prone to putting the ball up because he trusts his arm, trusts his targets, and
00:18:10
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If you can create opportunities like that, he will put the ball in the air and, oh look, your boy McKinney for once will actually play the ball well when it's hanging up there and it's pick city for him. So gotta force Kyler's hand a little bit. You can't just let, you can't play afraid of his mobility if that makes sense.
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No, for sure. And you know, that's where you got to go. Well, you don't want to over contain because you do want to rush him. And that's why I stumbled over what I was saying a little bit, because it's like, well, I don't want to make it sound like I do want to want to do nothing but contain because we know contains not going to do everything. So this is where you wish you had a bet. And I know this is going to sound nuts because no team really has it. But this is where you wish you had a better.
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fourth linebacker Because then I would do a I would do a 3-4 front with him and have your four Speed linebackers out there where you could rush. Let's say okay, we're gonna rush edge in and and Quay and we're gonna drop You know McDuffie and and and whoever your fourth one would be and So, or, you know, we're going to, we're going to drop edge and rush Quay and McDuffie. But I don't know if I fully trust Eric Wilson as the fourth, even he, don't get me wrong. He's made some plays, but I don't know if I fully trust him as the fourth out there when, yeah, but you definitely hope Jair's back. Uh, I got to look at.
00:19:57
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Let's see, what do they got a receiver? I know they've got Marvin Harrison. Michael Wilson, the one out of Stanford. he's He's been a solid pro, but still struggling with injuries. McBride, the tight end, has been really their third receiver. And then they have Dorch, who's your like stereotypical white slot receiver, if I'm remembering the right Greg Dorch. so And then Zach Pascal, I'm pretty sure he's the one, he was with the Colts for the longest time. Solid possession receiver type. so Yeah, but he must not
00:20:32
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have any because I don't see him in the stats here. I see Dorch. I see McBride, Wilson, Harrison, Higgins and Raymond. So is Pascal on the practice squad then? I think he might just be like the fifth receiver kind of thing. Huh? So yeah.
00:20:54
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Uh, so yeah, I, I guess this could be a week you would say, okay, we'll just set Jair another week if he's not fully ready. Cause it it doesn't look like they've gotten much that scares me, even though Kyler is spreading the ball around pretty good. Yeah, it's really predicated on how much you're able to affect and contain Kyler and how much you have to dedicate resources to Marvin Harrison Jr. that it potentially opens up other guys on that team. so
00:21:33
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That's where, like I said, it would help to have Jair because, like I said, I don't know if I would necessarily match Jair on Harrison. I'm sure they would like to try it, but also, you know, partly because Jair is a little compromised injury-wise and also because it's, and partly because it's like a bad, you know, just hype matchup.
00:21:50
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you just want Jair to take whoever he's covering and just take him out of the game and maybe this is a week where you use you know how Belichick used to do this where and especially the years where he had previous and kind of when he had us Stefan Gilmour is he would put previous or Gilmore on actually the second wide receiver, because he's like, I know he can cover this guy without help and just take him out of the game for all intents and purposes. And then I'm going to just send help, you know, um I'm going to put a still a good cover player on the other guy, but we're going to shade and send help and stuff like that. And I and Halfly has done this kind of thing, you know, especially like his Boston College defense, because
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you know it's Boston College you only have so much resources in terms of you know the level the caliber of player you have so he's used to sending help shading help things like that so um I I'm really curious to see what he does and I don't know if it would go to the extreme as you were pointing out but Arizona is you know it's still an a or ins still an NFC opponent, but it's a relatively uncommon NFC opponent because not in our division. We don't generally end up in the same place in the division rankings, so we don't play each other when we don't play the NFC West that much.
00:23:02
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so And because of the kind of offense they have, I wouldn't be surprised if they do throw some screw balls at the Cardinals offense just to try and, you know, keep Murray off off kilter and off out of rhythm. So I'm hoping to see some curve balls. And um you said, main thing is that
00:23:22
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I want to just see this pass rush get some wins and yeah they're not going to come screaming off the edge or anything like that but you want to see them defeat some blocks and get in the backfield a little more than they've been getting there so that's the key on that side of the ball and then the other side of it is the way you take their running game away is you score when you have the ball on offense. And there's been a lot of you know articles about how a little tongue in cheek how this year's offense is mimicking last year's offense where you know there's there's been the big plays, but they've been inconsistent moving the moving the chains on a drive-through-drive basis in between. Last week's game kind of bore that out a little bit too, where yeah the three touchdown drives
00:24:08
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are all on the back of big plays. You know you have the 53 yard, fuck it, Jaden is down there somewhere. The 66 yard touchdown to Tucker. And then the second Tucker drive, it had a cup you know it wasn't as reliant on like a 50 plus yard play, but there were some like 15 to 20 yard gains in there that kind of helped chunk play down the field. And then you know Tucker scores on on the those tight end screen. so You want to see them be more productive and um proficient on a drive to drive basis.
Strategic Offense: Scoring Early to Win
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But if they can put up, you know, an early 14, like get up 14 three or something like that, then you force Arizona's hand. And so this is one of those offense is your best defense kind of weeks, in my opinion. For sure. And I'm just going over through some stuff. It looks like.
00:25:00
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They're really struggling in the turnover department. Yeah. So they're not really creating a lot of, uh, I mean, they're losing a lot of fumbles. It looks like Kyler's got two, but then there's.
00:25:16
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five other guys that have fumble a single fumble. I know Kyler's only got the got the two interceptions. And as much as I said that the Cardinals offense was very like middle of the pack or slightly above average in some regards, their defense sucks.
00:25:32
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yeah yeah They're ranked in the bottom fourth in most things, actually, I should say.
Exploiting Cardinals' Weak Defense
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So only thing that only two points where they're getting ah relatively average ratings is in opponent fourth down conversion percentage and opponent red zone touchdown percentage.
00:25:51
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which they rank 14th and 18 respectively. Otherwise, if you go and look at like their team rankings of their like points per game, opponent points per game, opponent yards per game, you're seeing a lot of 27, 25, 20,
00:26:07
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They're allowing 4.6 yards per rush. They're allowing the 28th most rush yards per game. They're ranked 30th in comp... So they're allowing opponents to complete just under 72.5% of their passes, which is an insane percentage to be giving up in the NFL. So... This is a week where, and to me that speaks that this is a defense that's like, okay, we're going to give you the underneath stuff and we'll see if you can drive the field. And to me, it's a good thing for LeFlore because it's like, you want to see love, read the plays out.
00:26:46
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Be efficient and you know, take care of the ball moving it down the field and stuff. So Good in that regard, but also don't neglect Jacobs and Wilson this week Like they we should not go into the half with fewer than 20 rushes this week Because you should be able to beat up this Cardinals defense Right, but what I was mainly pointing at is it looks like they're they're struggling with the turnover offensive turnover side. So they're losing a lot of fumbles. Kyler. Yeah, he's not getting intercepted as much. But it looks like they're really hanging on the ball looks but as much as we've been complaining about Packers or drops. It looks like they're having just as much use their rides at 50 percent.
00:27:40
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Wilson's at 61, Harrison's at 45, Higgins with the little bit that he's got, he's at 87.5, Dorch is at 45.5, and and Raymond has one reception on one target. So I don't think he can really be thrown in there. But like I said, with as hard of time as the Packers seem to have with the drops on their offense,
00:28:09
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there The Cardinals are having just as difficult of a time and that's where you've got to forget about zone man-to-man and hit Kyler. Because it looks like these guys are going to be struggling anyway.
00:28:30
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That's what I was looking at on. I know we need to start talking about defense, but that's where I was looking at more on on for the the turnover rate. It looks like they're willing to give up the ball. So we just got to take yeah take advantage of those opportunities. You're muted.
00:28:49
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Mike, you're muted. So, and that just, that dovetails into what I was talking about, about their defense, where they don't take the ball away very much. McKinney, I know he's outpacing a lot of teams, but he is outpacing the Cardinals in interceptions. They only have four so far on the season as a defense.
00:29:13
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and what's it, they have 11 sacks. So, you know, like just or slightly over to a game at this point. So not a lot of pressure. And like like I said, their percentage of passes that they're allowing, it really does make me think that what's happening there is they're playing like a Barry style of defense where it's a lot of like, let them catch it, we'll come up rally to the ball kind of thing and stuff. so
00:29:45
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just as it is every week but especially like you're saying where the Cardinals will give it up some and they don't force a lot of them on their end so don't give them any free handouts take care of the football end every drive in a kick and the big thing you know like i said i i had issue with how they the floor seemed to be trying to force feed love passes to get him in a rhythm i think this week you you still want to see him get him in a rhythm but at the same time roll into this defense because they do not stop the run well either and create some open looks by but just blitzing them on the ground and then running hard play action at them afterwards. So I think the floor can kind of get in his bag on this one.
Interceptions: Navigating Cardinals' Defense
00:30:32
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But also I think that our O-line should be able to take it to this Cardinals defense for the most part.
00:30:38
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Well, and it doesn't look like their defense is very good at defending the pass. No, they're not. Now, you might have seen the stats, but I'm going to ask it anyway. Out of the four interceptions that they have as a team, how many of them are by a defensive back? I know one of them isn't because I know, what's it called? I know, uh, Kazir White was the one who ended the 49ers game with an interception, so I know that's one. I'm gonna guess it's one or two are only by DBs.
00:31:09
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only one. One's by Gardik, who's an outside linebacker. One's by Mack Wilson, linebacker. other one is Kaiser White, one, and then Garrett Williams has one. So as long as you can avoid their linebackers, I think you'll be pretty good passing it around. It's just one of those weeks.
00:31:30
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But yeah, I mean, feed, I think And I go back to last week's game. I think it was more just to build Jordans, yeah yeah yeah get them built back into it. So I think now they can start going back into a normal game plan and say, all right, these guys are probably just as bad, if not worse than what the Colts are right against the, against the rush. Let's just, we'll feed Jacobs. We'll feed.
00:32:03
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uh wilson do they have a third one on the roster right now yeah martin the brooks brooks that's it i don't know why i keep wanting to call him martin uh yeah so feed those three guys spread it around maybe this is the week josh shakeups gets his his first touchdown receiving It's still a wild stat. it's It's absolutely wild. And for those wondering, Marshawn Lloyd, and you know what he hates, Marshawn Lloyd cannot practice until next week. Yeah, because he went on rap of week one. Oh, right before, we yeah, yeah. But I'm wondering about Ford. Do you think he gets brought brought in or not? I don't think so.
00:32:49
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um um Hard to say though, just because everyone else is relatively healthy. Um, Um, hold on. Kenny is still... spot because They did- Don't they have an extra spot open because they released Rochelle? Rochelle, but you assume- because I don't think Dobbs is technically back on the roster yet. So you assume that that's earmarked for Dobbs unless, you know, things aren't hunky-dory and you bring Ford into that spot kind of thing. But yeah, would assume that the Rochelle spot, the vacancy from Rochelle's release is going to be for Dobbs when he does come back.
00:33:30
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I was thinking something different. I thought they already had Rochelle on the roster before they did the suspension of Dobbs. So I could be wrong. Like we said at the beginning, we're all out of it right now. So right now the kids fell on the sleep. So she lost the, she lost our bet on who was going to fall asleep first. That just means that Jake and I can doze off now without any sort of repercussions.
00:33:59
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But yeah, you know, not not that we're belittling the Cardinals or taking them lightly, but this is a game that oh it should be a good matchup for the Packers. It's good that it is a, know, its it's a home game. Hold on, one thing I do want to check on the Cardinals. So and while you're looking that up,
00:34:19
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the weather is not supposed to be great either. It's supposed to be in low fifties and like 83% chance of rain. I was just looking at it. So conditions aren't going to be great either. Yeah. So even more so take care of the football on the ground game. Yeah. And so that's the thing is, so the, this is their technically their second true road game of the season, but their first true road game granted it was against the bills, but that was week one and you can do a little bit more.
00:34:50
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free pregame travel arrangements in week one because especially under the new like preseason rules where there's only three games you have two weeks off so you can go up a week early and get rid of jet lag and all that kind of stuff this week not only are they flying you know not cross cross country but you know you're flying two three time zones or two time zones over and But you also came off playing the Niners, and the two those two teams just beat the crap out of each other for the full 60 minutes. And you know we we see it a lot against certain teams where you see the physical toll those games take on them the next week. so
00:35:31
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Like I said, it's already not a great matchup for the you know the Cardinals looking at the Packers. And you add in the travel, you add in the physical toll that their game last week likely took on them. And it bears out a little bit in the injury report. So like I said, I know green beans was long, but Kelvin Beachum, their starting right tackle didn't participate.
00:35:54
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therere Starting right guard, Evan Brown didn't participate today. Zade, what's it called? And then Garrett Williams, the one cornerback who has an interception, he didn't or he was a limited participant. Darius Robinson was a limited participant. And then one more thing to watch is their kicking situation. So Chad Ryland was kicking for them last week because Matt Prater, the longtime former Bronco and Lyon, he's been injured with a left knee injury.
00:36:25
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he practiced today but it's his plant knee and you don't like you just got to be certain that you can mess with yeah you you don't want to mess with that because you know if he plants wrong and stuff yeah that could be potentially catastrophic so we'll see what they do with that but it should be a good matchup for the Packers but speaking of that Joe Let's start to put a bow on this one. You're over unders, which totally were prepared ahead of time. What she got for over unders this week. Well, you know, I got to stick with the one. oh I got to do it. happening that's been yeah I'm sticking with mine. No go. so obviously, you know, over under half interception for McKinney.
00:37:12
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I'm going to stay stay with it. i I really think that especially the fact that he almost got two last week, like he legitimately could have had to like he had the second one go through his hands and really he there was a chance he could have had a third earlier in the game. So yeah, like he is just playing on a different level right now. Although that that does scare me a little bit because he almost had a second one.
00:37:42
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Technically, he shouldn't have had his one. but oh It makes me worried about this week with it, but like I said, I think with weather conditions, I think if the Packers can contain a little bit better, get some rush on him.
00:38:01
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Kyler's going to make mistakes and maybe we see a repeat of 2021 and instead of Resul, it's McKinney making the making the interception to seal the deal.
00:38:18
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So yeah, I'm going to go basically over under half interception for McKinney. I'm going over for it.
00:38:27
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let's go with Jordan uh uh see if he's a little bit better off now so we'll go he had 224 in the last game let's say we'll start there over under 224 and a half I'm gonna say under I think he's gonna end up in like the 200 and teams just because I think the run game is gonna really just chew up the clock and just just grind out, not not even grind out yards. I think they're going to road grade the Cardinals a little bit and Love is going to have one of those where, you know, it might be one of those games where he ends up with like three or four touchdowns, but he only throws it like 20 times. So, you know, he doesn't end up with that much over 200 yards. I get the feeling it's one of those kinds of games.
00:39:11
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I'm going to say slightly over, I think he's going to hit the 250 mark. and i think the reason is is because of all the quote-unquote drama going on with Romeo you're gonna see him try to get it to Romeo a little bit more or you're gonna see and if Christian plays maybe you see a couple of deep ones that's the thing is if if Watson is able to, if he's healthy enough to be a consistent decoy even, that opens up so much for Reed, Tucker, like that's the thing with last week's game is Reed and Tucker had two really good games, you know, individually had good games against the Rams. And that's with Bo Melton being the one getting, and this is not a shot at Melton, but you know, Melton is five foot 11 if we're being generous. Whereas Watson, it's like not only is he as fast, but he's six inches taller as well. So
00:40:04
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It's just a different but different package that's coming at you. So yeah, if if Watson is healthy and if Dobbs is there to be that, you know, just consistent perimeter presence, it does open up their passing game. But then also that helps open up their run game too. So that's kind of where I'm going slightly on the under there.
00:40:23
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Let's do, we'll try this one because it hasn't been ah ah as good luck as I had hoped, but we'll try it anyway. Over under two and a half sacks for the Packers defense. I think under, as much as Halfly has been more aggressive, and especially as and as effective as Kway and Cooper have been on those inside A gap, or Kway on the inside A gap blitzes, Cooper on those those stunts from the second level. I just think that Not that half he's going to be too passive, but I think the style of play is going to dictate that they're not as into Kyler as they want, you know as we want them to be. But I do think they're going to force him into a few turnovers.
00:41:06
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I'm going to go over, but I think it's at three exact. Because I think two of them are Kyler is going to roll out. and get hit behind the line as he's trying to take one of his deep shots. And I think you're going to get at least two of them and then I think you're going to get one traditional sack where it's just right up the middle or right off the edge and he's not, he doesn't see it coming and just gets hit, gets planted. Now this one's not an over under, we'll call it a yes, no. Yes or no. Do we see max versus bow?
00:41:43
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and And so I can say this to the listeners, this is what I mean. Obviously Max Melton was drafted by the Cardinals and we have Bo Melton on the Packers brothers. Everybody wanted Max on Green Bay. It didn't happen. So do we see Max Melton versus Bo Melton?
00:42:04
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I think yes mr no because Melting is not one of their top three corners. According to the depth chart, he is, I don't know even know how to determine if he's their fourth or fifth cornerback, but he is not you know the starter or the nickel.
00:42:20
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so if melt if I'm assuming Watson is healthy, Dobbs is back, so Melton kind of goes back to the background a little bit and is your like your fourth, fifth wide receiver depending on what they're trying to do and stuff. But if that's the case, then he will be seeing like a deep sub package cornerback and that opens the door for Melton on Melton party in the on the field of play this weekend in Lambo. So it would be fun. I think it would be fun to see it.
00:42:49
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Say yes with it too because if the one CB that we were just talking about is Not a go then obviously, you know that bumps the depth chart up So Max is gonna have to get out there play. I'm still not sold the Christians gonna play this week I know he you know, he did his whole player speak on a you know, well, I'm doing everything in my power to get there. The one reason I'm a little more optimistic too, is he did say the whole like, it was, it's very much like the Jordan, the stuff about Jordan where it's like he was a lot closer than we expected him to be last week, you know, they're doing that speak and
00:43:28
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You can read into that. You can believe that however much you want to end stuff. But I do think there is some decent kernel of truth to that statement. So it'll it'll be interesting to see. I think it'll be tight. I think it will be at minimum a true game time decision for Watson. Well, I think there'll be a little bit more conservative with him than they were with Jordan just because of the history that Christian has.
00:43:53
Speaker
And not to rush him out there and get him re injured in a heartbeat, even though he's, you know, like he said, he's taken better precautions with, with the stuff that he's, he did over the off season and all that. But I just, I really, I'm about 50, 50. And as much as this isn't a soft tissue injury, ankle, like rolled ankles can lead to soft tissue injury because of the overcompensation factors. So, yeah.
00:44:19
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00:45:20
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The Packers looked to get two games above 500 this week with another and score their second conference win of the season. Also, a little bit more subtext on this subtext, exercise the demons of the late McCarthy and early Lefloor era with two stop losing games to afc or NFC West teams for the love of God. But, you know, and we've beaten the one that we- That was the last game McCarthy coached, wasn't it? Against the Cardinals at Lambeau. Yep. So, and the funny thing is, you know, we beat an NFC West team last week, but the Rams were always the one that we would beat.
00:45:59
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over the years. So so there to some degree, it kind of doesn't count. It still counts, but the Cardinals is one of them, you know, the 2015 playoff game and a couple others. And then obviously the 49ers later on in the season. But keep it here. Joe will be doing a post game show and we'll have our recap and thoughts on the game afterwards and do our review. So that's going to do it for us. Go Pack Go and Aloha.