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A little shop update and we talk some rock and roll.
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Introduction and Sponsorship
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The American Craftsman Podcast is sponsored by Hayfla. Hayfla offers a wide range of products and solutions for the woodworking and furniture making industries. From hinges and drawer slides to connectors and dowels, sandpaper, wood glue, shop parts, and everything in between. Exclusive product lines such as looks LED lighting and Slido door hardware ensure that every project you create is built to last. Learn more at hayfla.com.
Weather and Recording Conditions
00:00:47
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All right, welcome back to the show. Yeah, back better than ever.
00:00:54
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Yeah, it's 73 degrees outside right now. It's 658 a.m. and it's probably 83 degrees inside this office. That's conservative. Figured we better get. Oh, shooting coffee. Better get this podcast recorded before it gets too hot in here because it gets hot.
00:01:19
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Yeah. The office is probably, I don't know, always say five, 10 degrees warmer than the shop. Yeah. We should put in like, uh, no problem is with dust. Oh, like some Clara story. Yeah. Maybe, uh, I dunno, some kind of fresh air intake from the outside. Yeah. We got that beautiful window. Yeah.
Feedback and Furniture Project
00:01:49
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Um, so let's see, last week we had John on and that was, uh,
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I think that was on Wednesday, wasn't it? Yes. Got some good feedback on that episode. Oh, yeah. People liked it. Well, John's always a good guest. Yeah. I guess people like controversy. That's what John always tells us. That's right. I'm just remembering the last episode. Yeah.
00:02:21
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So, yeah, so that that following morning on Thursday, we we went out to Jersey City and delivered that 43 foot bank that we've had in the shop for several months now. Seems like longer than a week ago now, doesn't it? That was. Yeah, yeah.
00:02:42
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Um, I, oh, we, uh, built that. It was like cold out. Yeah. It was like dead winter. We've had that for a while, but luckily, you know, we had it stacked up. It wasn't taking up too much space, but, um, you know, got to shoot the shit with Jim a little bit, talked him into, uh, coming down and coming on the podcast. That'll be another interesting episode. Yeah. I'll have to, um, firm up a date with him.
00:03:12
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Also, still need to get our buddy Tommy G. That's right. And Joe, I guess. Yeah, that'd be a good. That'd be a good episode dynamic. Yeah. Yeah, I've got to follow him to.
00:03:28
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But yes, we deliver those banquettes and then we had to go over to the sister restaurant. Dull boy? What was that? No, I thought it was dough boy. Oh, I always thought it was dull boy.
00:03:47
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Let me see, or maybe it is dull boy. But the other one's Jane Doe. Oh no, yeah, it is dull boy. It's dull boy and Jane Doe. But Doe with D-O-U-G-H. So it seemed it would make more sense if it was dull boy. Yeah, that's what made me think that. Chill brick walled bar serving unique takes on classic American dishes plus an array of cocktails.
Furniture Challenges and Solutions
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364 Grove Street, Jersey City.
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So, basically, we built a 16-foot version. Initially, we built a 16-foot banquette for Dullboy. And the 43-foot banquette is essentially the exact same thing, just a lot bigger. It actually has Ls on the end, whereas this one
00:04:38
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It had an arm, just arms. But man, I mean, Jim and Robert and everybody over there, they did such a good job. I mean, they look... They make magic, don't they? So good. Those channel backs, I mean.
00:04:55
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Jim told me how much work they are and it certainly looks like they're a lot of work. So that's what they'll be doing with the 43 foot is the, it'll look exactly the same. I'm not sure about the colorway, but a 43 foot long with, I think they're three or four foot Ls. So we're talking close to 50 linear feet of channel back. Thank you. I'll take some time.
00:05:21
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Yeah. Anyway, at Dollboy, we had used these legs. They wanted 10-inch legs, which is sort of a weird height. You could find 6-inch, 8-inch, I feel like even 12-inches.
00:05:39
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10 inches of weird size for furniture. So there's not like a lot of availability from any reputable brands. So we bought all these legs off of Amazon and they were just total shit. They were metal, but really thin. It was like, yeah, like a two, two soda can thickness.
00:06:00
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The only thing holding them together is just like the tensile strength of a cylinder. So it was like a hollow tube, two inch diameter tube, and then they had a small
00:06:19
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not small, but a thin plate welded in the top with a tapped hole. And then the base was just a three by three piece of metal with a piece of thread sticking out and they screwed on. So we even took blocks and drilled a two inch hole and slid them over the leg and screwed them down to give it some more rigidity. But they, I mean, they just failed miserably.
00:06:44
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So what we did on the 43 foot is we use the Hayfla XLO. They have one that's like eight inches and we actually put it on a one and a half inch thick.
00:07:02
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riser, like a rail. So that's how we made up the difference. They're eight and they're adjustable and just altered the dimensions of the 43 foot slightly, made the base thicker to make up that additional height.
00:07:21
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Yeah. Those will do the trick. Yeah. So what we did is we made, we made some, um, some of those same, well, yeah, we didn't do the, the inch and a half thing on the 43 foot because we were able to just change the dimensions of the, of the actual bank cat. But that's what we did for this one. We made four, um, like eight foot long by inch and a half thick rails, attach the axillo, um,
00:07:48
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plates or whatever you want to call them, the mounting holes to that and just took the legs off, screwed those into the bottom of the bankette and stood it up. Those are good for a commercial environment too. They're like 100% ABS. There's not going to be any rusting. They can mop right up to them. That's what I was going to say. You think instantly mopping. They still mop, right?
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I didn't know if that was something that went out with us. Yeah. Usually it was like, uh, the dishwasher was the guy that had the mom. Yeah. And you take that dirty mop and swap it all around. Yeah. Yeah. It's filthy within the first 30 seconds of use. Yeah. It's like dark gray.
00:08:38
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Yeah. You got the ringer on the, on the bucket. Yeah. Yeah. Those were the days that yellow bucket. Yep. On the wheels. You put the, the mop in it and you drive it around with the hand. Oh man.
00:08:56
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There's some things that you can reminisce pleasantly about, but that's not one of them. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not a huge fan of mopping because it's one of those things where, you know, when the water gets dirty, you're like, what the hell am I even doing this for? Yeah. You're spreading that dirty water around. Yeah.
Graffiti Incident
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So on the way, actually on the way out there, got a text from Lou, the painter. So Lou's still been here painting, you know, been fighting the weather and everything. If he had clear weather, it would have been like a one week job, just like start to finish. But
00:09:28
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had all these days of rain and then days where he would start and then it would start raining. So unfortunately, he's been having a hell of a time, you know, with the weather and now it's like blazing hot outside. So he's got that. But we get a text and he's like, man, somebody tagged up the building last night. Fuck. So he sent a video. There was like five different spots on the side of the building. You know, the front of the building's on Main Street and then the one side is on a cross street.
00:09:58
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The other side is, and the back are bordered by houses. So, like five spots, blue paint, what they write, La Plaga.
00:10:09
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Yeah. The cop was telling us that's like a character from a video game or something like that. That's what Lou was saying. It's also some like Colombian BMX biker kind of thing, which seems more likely because I looked into it myself too. And the video game thing seemed kind of more obscure.
00:10:34
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What the hell's he gonna say? Yeah, so I look on the cameras and I see it was like 237 or 227 that morning, three kids, like kids. I mean, the one kid looks like he could have been 10 or 12. And it was like a minute start to finish. They pop up on the camera, there's a car going by, they're hiding behind our neighbor, McHale's truck. And then tag the building and leave.
00:11:04
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So, you know, whatever we get back and call the cops just because, you know, it's not our building. We have to document anything, anything like this that happens. You know, it's it's our responsibility to make sure that it's documented just to cover our own ass, cover the landlord's ass. You know what I mean?
00:11:22
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And by that point Lou had already he hadn't painted anything on that side yet. So he was able to spot priming. Yeah, he was able to spot prime over those spots. So yeah, you know, gave the video to the cops, whatever. You know, they said they'd try and they'd pass the video around, try and see if they could recognize the kids. But
00:11:44
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Nothing so far. But then I came in on Sunday for a little bit to work for a little bit. I worked the whole day to work on my kitchen and I found some more stuff out there. Same blue color, but this time just like random scribbles on the wall. So, you know, again, I call the cops just so that they could keep a record of it. Nothing since then. Yeah.
00:12:13
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But just, you know, stupid kids being stupid. Yeah, it's going to be infuriating when they when we get the color on there and if they come by. Yeah. Well, I'm going to wait on the roof at that point.
00:12:31
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with a bucket of hot tar. Something. I think that's what they used to do. Hot oil over the, over the ramparts. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, go medieval auto. Yeah.
00:12:52
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You know, I get it. Being a kid, you do bad things and stupid things. But listen, we're over here paying an exorbitant rent, just trying to make a living. Go fuck with somebody else. Yeah. Go tag the barbershop. Yeah, you know, whatever.
00:13:09
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Go to Dunkin Donuts and our landlord owns that too, but some corporate, you know, place. Let them deal with it. Yeah. Bank of America. Yeah.
00:13:23
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Yeah, they're pretty bad. And on top of that, you know, so I guess when we were leaving, or at some point in the drive, got an email from PNC, it's like, oh, okay.
Credit Card Fraud Experience
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Call us immediately. I'm like, okay, what the fuck?
00:13:43
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So call them and they're like yeah did we have some suspicious charges here did you charge six hundred and forty eight dollars to summit bike like no.
00:13:57
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Um, what about $422 to target? Yeah, no. So somehow somebody got our credit card information charged up, you know, they said neither of them went through, but tried to charge like a thousand bucks, um, on the card. So I had to freeze the card and, um, I actually, I have to go on and check and make sure that they didn't go through. Um, but yeah, waiting on a new new credit card.
00:14:27
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Yeah. That was, there was happening to me for a while. Uh, what my American express must've been like one of the things that, uh, I was like an auto pay kind of thing because it was like three cards in a row. Huh. But you know, that I had to get changed out every couple of months. That's crazy. That they would be able to get the new number.
00:14:54
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Yeah. That's why I was thinking it must've been attached to like a subscription service and it was like an inside job. Well, can they do that? They wouldn't be able to get your new, they wouldn't be able to get your new information unless you give it to them. Yeah. Like let's say it was somebody at Pete's coffee. Oh, yeah.
00:15:18
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I don't know how that stuff's encrypted on the other end. Yeah, I mean, because I just had to do that.
00:15:26
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What do they call it? I forget. Basically, if you handle credit cards like our quick we do, we we offer credit card payments through QuickBooks, depending on the on the job. So we have to be whatever. It's like a three letter abbreviation. CCS certified or whatever. EP something electronic EPS, maybe electronic payment services, something like that.
00:15:57
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Like if you we don't retain any of that information, it all goes through QuickBooks. We never even see. We might see the last four digits of the credit card, I think. Maybe that's it. But yeah, like that stuff is pretty strict. You know, like just some regular peon at Pete's is there's no way that they'd be able to get. I'll tell you how old I am when I I used to have one of those machines. Oh, the sideways thing.
00:16:26
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I honestly don't even know how those would work. Somebody's got to physically give you the card and you put it over on and that takes a carbon. Yeah. It had like carbon paper. And then you got to call in the charges. Yeah. Wow. I do remember those being around like, you know, when I was very young, see when those
00:16:50
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Yeah. And I had like my own little metal plate, you know, said like, brome would work on it or something like that. When did physical critic cards or machines late nineties? Wow. Yeah. So, I mean, I guess it makes sense because that's when, uh, that's when I had it.
00:17:23
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Credit Card Imprinter, it was called. Zip Zap Machine. Click Clack Machine or Knuckle Buster. These devices were used from the advent of payment cards until the 1980s when electronic payment terminals started to replace them. However, they continued to be used well into the 2000s for places where network access was difficult, such as mobile locations like taxis and airplanes or as a backup system in case of payment terminal failure.
00:17:51
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Yeah. I never actually took a credit card payment. No. No. Cause I even went into, I had the electronic thing too. Like it was like square or one of those first ones. You plug it in your phone. Anytime go to PNC, they're like trying to sell us on their point of sale thing. It's like, listen, we use QuickBooks. Well, what are the rates? I'm like, I don't care what the percentage is.
00:18:19
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You know, we only take so many payments. It's not like we're taking. I mean, how many payments do we get in a year? Right. Fifty one hundred. Yeah, I was going to say if it's one a week, it's a lot. Yeah. Should I wish. So, yeah, I had to had to do that, get that frozen and actually still waiting on. On a new card should be here soon. Oh, yeah, I had to switch everything over.
00:18:49
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got like a plethora of emails. Like your payment was declined. Cause you know, it got the utilities, you know, the dumpster, all that stuff is on the credit card. So now it's, it's moving over to the debit card. Yeah. That's the, that's the thing. It's got to go through and re up all those numbers. Yeah. I just wait for them to tell me if they want their money, they can, uh, they can ask nicely.
First Non-Home Project
00:19:22
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So, um, got Stan coming by today from level home improvement. He's got some, uh, drawer fronts to edge band. That's cool. Yeah. Our first, uh, non, uh, home based, uh, edge banding project. Yeah. Uh, do something for somebody else. I don't think so. Not that I can remember.
00:19:53
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But Stan, uh, I think he's been in the market for an edge band or two. So I think, um, that's probably part of the reason he wants to come down is to check out, check out the Sohisa and, uh, you know, see what it's all about. I think, I think I like it. Yeah. I think he's been looking at a flexi P a little bit smaller footprint, right? Yeah. Yeah. I think he's tight on space. Plus it's got a cooler name.
00:20:22
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I don't know. Compact PCS sounds pretty official. The Flex EP. Yeah. You know, every time I think of something like that, it's like, you know, there was a room full of people brainstorming what they were going to call this thing. Like cars. In Spain. Yeah. What do you think of the Flex EP? Yeah. Like what does P even stand for?
00:20:52
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That's like that guy. I was telling you about that comedian. What the hell is his name? Something this I feel like the one of the filters like the
00:21:12
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one of the like noise gates, it's like chopping out some of my stuff. That's exactly what it is. It's a gate. Yeah. Like if I go, it must be in that 60 Hertz or something. What the hell was I saying? Oh, what's his name? Wang, something. I was telling you about it. It's comedian. Allie and I watched on Netflix. Sweet and Juicy is the name of the special.
00:21:40
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And he does a joke about, basically the whole thing's about getting older. He's probably, I don't know, maybe in his early 40s. And he's like, yeah, my favorite candy bar now is Mounds.
00:21:57
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And then he's like, mounds is a bad name. He's like, you know, but basically it's the whole joke is to that effect where it's like there's, you know, a meeting and they were like, yeah, let's call it mounds. I know it's like, I mean, you don't even give it a second thought now, but even names like Kit Kat, like
00:22:23
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If we were, you know, it's like we got this candy bar and you said, what about Kit Kat? I'm like, it doesn't really make any sense. I mean, why are we going to call it Kit Kat? Yeah. Well, there must be some backstory to that, but at least that's unique. And yeah, like there's nothing else called a Kit Kat. Like Twix.
00:22:42
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Um, I could see that. Like that's, cause that's like a, just a made up word. I like that. Apparently named after the Kit Kat club, which got its name from a local pastry chef, Christopher Kat Katling sources to for on the real surname, who is nicknamed kit and supplied the club with meat pies that he called Kit Kats. Wow. It's that old. Originally trademarked by the round trees company in 1911.
00:23:11
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Wow. Yeah. Mutton pies known as Kit Kat were served at meetings of the political Kit Kat Club in London owned by pastry chef Christopher Kat. Mutton pie. Yeah, I need that. It was originally called Round Trees Chocolate Crisp. But in 1937, the candy bar was renamed as Kit Kat Chocolate Crisp. I like the chocolate crisp. It tells me what I'm in for.
00:23:45
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I was going to say something. I forget what it was. Oh, he said something like, you know, the only the only what was it? It's the worst trying to retail jokes. But yeah, it's like the only worse option would have been piles. Yeah, he's right. Yeah. That's a funny special.
00:24:12
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Yeah. Let me see what that guy's name is. Sweet. One of my favorites is an old Chris Rock. He talks about being married. Oh, Sheng Wang. Sweet and juicy.
00:24:25
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He's anyone who's ever listened to Mitch Hedberg. There's definitely, you could see a lot of influence from Mitch Hedberg. That sounds familiar. He was like long hair, glasses, real like deadpan, ended up, I think, dying of a heroin overdose. Oh, geez.
00:24:55
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Yeah, he died in 2005. Wow. American standup comedian known for his surreal humor and deadpan delivery. Comedy is typically featured short, sometimes on one line jokes mixed with absurd elements and non sequiturs. I like the non sequitur.
00:25:17
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We found a room at the Westminster Hotel in Livingston, New Jersey. His death was formally announced on April 1st, leading some fans to believe it was an April Fool's Day joke. His death was initially believed to be the result of a congenital heart defect. But in December 2005, the New Jersey medical examiner's office reported that he died accidentally as a result of multiple drug toxicity, including cocaine and heroin. Well, well, stay away from the drugs, kids. Yeah.
00:25:49
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Yeah. Yeah. He was funny. He's got a huge cult following. How long was he around for? Um, began his standup career in Florida. And after a period of honing his skills, he moved to Seattle and began the tour. No wonder he did heroin, uh, soon appeared on MTV's kamikaze followed by 1996 appearance on the late show with David Letterman, uh, years active 89 to 2005. Hmm.
00:26:19
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Yeah. 16 years. Yeah. Seattle boy. What a reputation for, uh, it's all that rain. Yes. I mean, I actually thought about moving to Seattle back in 80. It was probably about 88 or 89 flew out there. Been a week.
00:26:48
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just didn't entice me. Yeah. Doesn't seem like I could deal with that weather. Yeah. Actually it was pretty nice weather when I went out there and everybody who lived there kept saying it's not usually like this. I couldn't tell if they just didn't want me to move there or they're like, don't come here.
00:27:10
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But you think about those, uh, like bands that came up in the grunge era, Kurt Cobain, yeah, dead. Soundgarden, Chris Cornell, dead. Yeah. And Lane Staley from Alice in Chains, dead. Was he the singer? Yeah. The three singers, like the only one that's still alive is Eddie Vedder from Pearl Jam.
00:27:41
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It never really got into the grunge. No, me either. Although I was big Soundgarden and Allison Chang's bands. Yeah. I mean, I like the songs that were popular, but I never, I listen to Soundgarden. What's that one album? Super, super unknown. Yeah. Like I've listened to that album quite a bit, but yeah.
00:28:04
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aside from that nirvana i never listened i don't like nirvana and i don't like pearl jam yeah i would say i absolutely don't like both those bands yeah i'd say i like pearl jam probably a little bit more than nirvana but neither of them enough to like actually listen to them on my own right um bad motor fingers a good uh sound garden record
00:28:26
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I, I got turned on to Soundgarden with their first record. I think it was called Loud Love. Maybe that was like their first like record on like a major release. And I was like, man, this guy's wailing. He does have, you know, one of the greatest voices. Yeah. And I just, and I had Motorfinger 1991 third album, but yeah. Well it's Loud Love. Was that there?
00:28:56
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Louder than love. Louder than love. Their second album. Yeah. So that's when I, that's when I heard them recorded independently. But after they signed with A&M records in 1989, making them one of the first grunge bands to sign to a major label. Yeah. They've got some, some weird, weird names. Ultra mega. Okay. Yeah. Bad motor finger.
00:29:27
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I feel like the Wikipedia article used to have a like a table of contents at the top. I think you're right. Maybe I have to click. Yeah, there we go. I got to click that thing now.
00:29:45
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Ultra Mega OK 1988, Louder Than Love 1989, Bad Motor Finger 1991, Super Unknown 1994, Down On The Upside 1996, King Animal 2012. Black Hole Son, when I was a kid. I loved that music video.
00:30:04
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What other record? Chris Cornell was the singer for that compilation band. Uh, not audio audio slave. No, it was, um, it was before that it was like a tribute to the guy who was the singer from mother love bone, which was this band that never really got famous. Uh, they all cited as an influence temple of the dog temple of the dog. Yeah. I have that.
00:30:30
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CD too, that was a pretty good disc. American Rock Supergroup formed in Seattle, Washington in 1990. It was conceived by vocalist Chris Cornell of Soundgarden as a tribute to his friend, the late Andrew Wood, lead singer of the band's malfunction, malfunction, spelled weird, and Mother Love Bone. Lineup included Stone Gossard on rhythm guitar, Jeff Ament on bass guitar, both ex-members of Mother Love Bone, Mother Love Bone,
00:30:56
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Pearl Jam guys, I think. And later Pearl Jam. Mike McCready later Pearl Jam on lead guitar and Matt Cameron Soundgarden and later Pearl Jam on drums. Eddie Vedder appeared as a guest to provide some lead and backing vocals and later became lead vocalist to Pearl Jam. So this this band basically created Pearl Jam. Yeah. Well, I've definitely seen that pop up Temple of the Dog on some of the mixes that get put on.
00:31:26
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Yeah. I mean, if you like, um, Chris Cornell, it's a strong disc. Yeah. Definitely worth checking out. I wasn't like, I have one or two of his solo records, but not, uh, not as like heavy and groove rock as like sound guard. That's you know, me, I'm a sucker for like one of those grooves like clutch or whatever clutch comes on.
00:31:53
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I'm in the shop doing my thing, all of a sudden the clutch song comes on and all of a sudden my head starts moving a little bit. Clutch is great. I feel like they get a bad reputation as like, I don't know, I've heard it called like dad rock.
00:32:12
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Well, I'm no dad. Clutch is an American rock band from Germantown, Maryland, since its formation in 1991. The band lineup has included Tim Salt, lead guitar, Dan Main's bass. That poor guy doesn't have his own Wikipedia article. Jean-Paul Gaster, drums and Neil Fallon, vocals, rhythm, guitar, keyboards. To date, Clutch has released 13 studio albums and several rarities and live albums since 2008. The band has been signed to their own record label, record label, Weathermaker Music.
00:32:43
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Yeah. I like clutch and, um, uh, he puts lyrics in songs that just like, that's another thing I'll just be cracking up. You know, they'll say something like BMX grips or Marine plywood. That's from the same song actually. Where do these things come from? Sunrise on slaughter beach. That's the most recent album. It's actually, it's a good album. It is. It is. Um,
00:33:13
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See what's the, he's got a really good voice too, which he doesn't always like sing purposefully, I think, you know, but like on some songs, he, he lets himself sing as well as he can sing. And I'm like, man, this guy's got some pipes. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Clutch is great.
00:33:37
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Yeah. That's a band that I never heard him until, until you started playing. I'm like, who's that? I, I discovered them. Um, like I had always heard the name, but I never listened to him. Um, I may have, uh,
00:33:52
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inadvertently heard some
Music Discovery and Appreciation
00:33:54
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of their music over the years and never remembered the song or knew who it was by. So I don't play drums, but I don't know. I like drums. So I subscribe to the Minel, which is a cymbal company. And I think they make other percussion instruments on YouTube. And they do these videos where they'll have a drummer playing drums or whatever.
00:34:18
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And they had John Paul Gaster playing a hot bottom feeder, which is the song about crab cakes.
00:34:28
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And I was like, uh, actually, no, that wasn't it. It was, uh, I think it was the regulator was the first one I heard. And then, then I heard hot bottom feeder. Anyway, um, I was like, man, this guy's good. Like, you know, they're, it's not super complicated or progressive music, but they're, I mean, they're all like, they're really good at just playing these sort of, um, I dunno, just these solid
00:34:57
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songs. I was like, man, I got to check these guys out. So then I, you know, I started listening to them. And I mean, they're just, if you like rock music, they're just a good rock bands. Yeah. Like they don't sound anything at all like ACDC, but I would put them in, in the same category, like
00:35:16
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basic rock and roll. That's so simple. It's great. Yeah. And then here I'm seeing two of the Bakerton group, which I'm going to put them on today again. They have an instrumental side project, which it's all the same guys.
00:35:34
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They're calling it an instrumental blues jam band. I wouldn't tend to agree with that. It's not that bluesy, like traditional blues. It's not really like a jam band. Yeah. Like when I think jam band, I think like Grateful Dead and Fish. Right. It's nothing like that. It's more jazzy and sort of psychedelic.
00:36:01
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Yeah, it seemed much more focused than a jam band. Yeah. Like not super extended solos or anything like that. Yeah, yeah. What's it say here? Bagram group focuses on the instrumental talents of its members with songs of a psychedelic, groovy, jazz infected feel. Yeah. That's the other thing that kind of jumps out to me is
00:36:25
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Like they don't really let out how good they are in clutch. Like it's very purposeful what it is. Clutch is, you know, made with this, these parameters. Let's see what they say about the league guitarist because he's, you know, you look at this guy. He's just like, this like middle aged, like it looks like, yeah. Cause they're not, they're not young dudes anymore. No, no, no. They all, let's see. Uh,
00:36:57
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This doesn't say when he was born. Richard Timothy Salt, an occasional member of the reggae rock slash stoner rock band Lion Eyes, as well as the band Deep Swell. Yeah, those guys all got to be close to my age. Clutch plays an average of one hundred and twenty shows a year. Wow. Well, the band is currently on tour as of May 9th, twenty twenty three.
00:37:27
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Let's see if they're coming. We tried to see them during the pandemic. Yeah, they played in December of 2020, either 21 or 22. Yeah, definitely not clicking on Ticketmaster. Scalp master. Yeah. Billy. They're playing on the 23rd. What are they? What kind of venues they play in?
00:37:58
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Let's see. Like how you not coming to New York? I find that crazy. They're going to DC. They're going to Pittsburgh. They're going to Philly. Then they just go to Toronto. Skipping over New York. I guess I have to go and take a master. Must be Franklin musical.
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Did you hear that? It's cut now. So I guess it's a cue for me to stop. Pricing and availability are subject to change.
00:38:47
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General admission. Oh geez. 70 bucks. General admission. Those are two words that are out of my vocabulary now. Yeah. I've, I've crossed the threshold into reserve seating for sure. And there's, um, there's like two levels, I think. Yeah. That's the cheapest ticket. 70. Yeah. They go up to 157.
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Oh, man. I bet that's a raucous show. Oh, wait, this is Pittsburgh that I clicked on. That's not what I wanted. I wanted Philly. This is just a this is just a pit. 63 bucks. Up to 74. About 40 years too late for that. Yeah, they don't even show that there's like a bar.
00:39:49
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Franklin Music Hall. From what I understand, I think that's a pretty small place. Yeah. That makes me think of the time when I was at ASU when I saw the police with madness and the Thompson twins opening up for them. Oh yeah. This is a
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It's just in like an old warehouse. We call that a throng of people. Oh, did it used to be electric factory? Because that's his electric factory. Yeah, I know, you know, I know that, but I know of the electric factory because, you know, growing up listening to like Philly radio stations always talking about so and so this weekend at the electric factory. Yeah, not playing in New York. They playing in San Francisco. I know some venues there. Let's see.
00:40:46
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D.C., Pittsburgh, Philly, Louisville, or Louisville, Sterling Heights, Michigan, Chicago, Indianapolis, Nashville, St. Paul, Minnesota, Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Wichita, Kansas, Denver, Colorado. You're going to Wichita, but you're not going to New York, Portland, Oregon, Boise, Idaho, Salt Lake City, Las Vegas, at the House of Blues, Ventura, California, two times Ventura Theater,
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till August 15th. I don't know what that means. I think that might be a typo. They're probably, I think they're only playing one show. No. Then they go to San Antonio, Tulsa, New Orleans, Fort Lauderdale, St. Petersburg, Atlanta, Myrtle Beach, Charlotte, North Carolina. They got a show in Toronto on the 25th. Wow.
00:41:43
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It's, you know, so they must have pockets of popularity. Yeah. I mean, they played Starland, so I mean, it's a pretty small. I wonder how they figure that out. Like, how do they figure out? Like they can play in Charlotte and not play in Bristol, Connecticut or something like that.
00:42:04
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Yeah. I don't know how it works. Do the venues reach out to the bands or vice versa? Usually you have like a tour manager and you know, somebody puts that together. So this place, I was reading about this place recently and I was supposed to go to a show here probably in, I think I was in middle school. So 2000 and
00:42:32
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three, no, so 2003, I was a freshman. So let's say like 2001, 2002, I was supposed to go to a show here with my sister, but I ended up getting in trouble for something and then I wasn't allowed to go. But Birch Hill Nightclub, like if you look at the
00:42:49
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Whatever the lineups at this place over the years, it was insane. It was a music venue and nightclub in Old Bridge Township, New Jersey. The venue ran into trouble in 2000 after an accidental drowning and drug raids, along with a loss of their liquor license. Bercho was sold in 2003 and is now a housing development.
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Many big name bands played the venue including Government Mule, Dio, Scorpions, Hubastank, Blue Oyster Cult, Cheap Trick, UFO, Iron Maiden, Rainbow, Eve Six, Todie's, Sudsert and Slayer. But I forget how I came about it, but it was like a video of
00:43:26
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system of a down playing in like 2001 or so or maybe 1999. It was like right before they really hit a big but like this is this is actually the the concerts.
00:43:42
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So let's see, what are some good ones? October 12th, 2003, Mudvane, Powerman 5000. Those were pretty big bands at that time. August 8th, 2003, Adima, Powerman 5000.
00:43:58
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May 19th, 2003, Chevelle. They had a huge hit. I forget what the name of that song was. March 8th, 2003, Papa Roach. They were a huge band at that time. March 6th, 2003, Flogging Molly. Part of them. Yeah. I think this is the show I was supposed to go to. February 1st, 2003, Finch from Autumn to Ashes and Steel Train.
00:44:24
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January 31st, 2003, my birthday. Co-heat in Cambria, hopes fall. One line drawing, code seven. November 30th, 2002, stone sour.
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November 24, 2002, The Vines. I feel like I've heard of that. Yeah, they were like, I think they were like one of those bands like The Struts and like that sort of like skinny tie rebirth. Wow, this is some website. Oh wait, I don't know what that is. You're giving me like a flashback memories. That's like my, that was the height of my musical career was being on those bills with like, there was the known band and then there was us.
00:45:06
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This even has the set lists. That's pretty crazy. What an archive this is, concertarchives.com. Let's see, what else? November 8th, 02, Goire. Goire with the costumes. October 19th, 2002, Mustard Plug. I used to listen to them. Huba Stank, River City Rebels.
00:45:37
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October 12th, 2002, Coheed and Cambria. Andrew W.K. Oh, wow. Oh, Coheed again, Chevelle, Gwar, H2O, Type O negative, Tiger Army, Dropkick, Murphy, Seven Dust, Drowning Pool.
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Fishbone, I know that name, is that a ska band? Yeah, like Fish, like Heavy Rock, you know, sort of like a Red Hot Chili Peppers, but before the Red Hot Chili Peppers became like a pop band. May 12th, 2001, MX PX and Good Charlotte. I mean, Good Charlotte was one of the biggest acts of that time period.
00:46:24
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January 26, 2001, you're not gonna guess this one. Rat. God. Bad religion. Lamb of God with gore. Catch-22. Poison. Kitty. Wow. Kitties are all female metal bands. Goldfinger. Anthrax. Slipknot. Biohazard. Dokken. Great White. Oh my God, what a show. Dokken, Great White, Jester, and Midnight Angel.
00:46:49
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That was the oldies night in 1999. 99. Wow. Joan Jett and the Blackhearts. I like Joan Jett. Quiet Riot, System of a Down, January 21st, 1999. That must've been the show I was looking at. They also played there October 17th, 1998. Dream Theater, Anthrax, Clutch, Slayer, and System of a Down. What a show. January 14th, 1998. What's the set list?
00:47:17
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Clutch was the headliner. Really? Yeah. Oh, and system of a down was, was mid bill over Slayer. Uh, let's see. Clutch impetus eight times over miss October. Wishbone escape from prison planet. Love that song. A show gun named Marcus rats, elephant riders, the soap makers.
00:47:43
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Oh, you know, I guess now Slayer is the headliner. They they list it in like the openers first. Yeah, usually it's all the way around, isn't it? Yeah. I guess like when it's a festival, they put them at the top. Yeah, because I'm like looking at them like, oh, Slayer played 18 songs. Yeah, we used to play like six songs sometimes. Cottonmouth Kings.
00:48:09
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Biohazard and Earth Crisis. Another four bands. Yeah. Joan Jett and the Black Cards. Dream Theater. Weezer. Weezer. One of my guilty pleasure bands. 1996. Deftones. Joan Jett played there a lot. Biohazard Overkill. Jersey Thrash bands. Yeah. Joan Jett again. Buffalo Tom. I don't recognize that.
00:48:37
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Anthrax with Life of Agony and Deftones as the headliner. Overkill again. Joan Jett again. Is she from Jersey? I don't think so. She's from the Runaways. So I think they were a California band. Wow, that's 1988.
00:48:53
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February 12th, 1988, Joan Jett and the Black Guards. She had a couple of hits in, let's see, what year was that? I Love Rock and Roll and she redid the Tommy James and the Shondell's Crimson and Clover. That must've been... Oh, is that the same as Jimmy World's Crimson and Clover? Crimson and Clover, over and over. Yeah, same lyrics, but they totally changed the...
00:49:20
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Um, see what, at least the chorus. I don't know about that. That must know that was like the early eighties. That was like 80 trying to, man, it's hard to remember like 82. I want to say I love rock and roll. Yeah. There's a, um, there was a lot of like little clubs in this, this area specifically that, you know,
00:49:46
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had a lot of big, big name bands come through. Even Starland. I mean, they still have pretty big acts. Not, you know, obviously they're not stadium acts, but big name bands. Hunkabunka was another one that I think. I think Hunkabunka became Starland. What's up? Sure. Pro painting is on the set. Yeah. You want to jump in for a couple of minutes?
00:50:16
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You don't have to. Okay. We're just talking about, I don't know how we got onto Starland Ballroom. Let's see, Hunkabunka. Hunkabunka Club became one of Central Jersey's premier concert venues.
00:50:33
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Building was originally known as the Journey Mill Inn, a local bar with a banquet hall. It was originally known as the Hunk a Bunk a Ballroom and then Willy's. It has operated as a dance music club, but more often hosted concerts with primarily metal, punk and ska lineups. I should say that there's a lot of those kind of places that played, you know, hardcore and punk and that kind of stuff, metal. Um,
00:51:01
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I wonder what kind of archive CBGB keeps. Oh God, I can only imagine. Here's noted performers at Starland against me. I'm not going to name them all. All that remains of Monamarth and Thrax as I lay dying, Alison chains, Atreyu. It's hard to skip any of these. Avenged Sevenfold, Bad Religion, Ben Folds, Billy Currington.
00:51:23
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Black Label Society, Blink-182, Bo Burnham. I didn't know they'd do comedy. Bon Jovi, The Bouncing Souls, Brian Fallon, Bruce Springsteen, Buck Cherry, Bullet for My Valentine, Cannibal Corpse, Chester Bennington. I didn't know he did anything solo. Chris Brown, Collective Soul, Cidus Gambino, Clutch. DMC, Dashboard Confessional, Dierks Bentley, Disco Biscuits, Dockin, The Doobie Brothers, Dropkick Murphy's, E-Town Concrete, Every Time I Die, Exodus.
00:51:50
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Fall out boy, finger 11, from autumn to ashes. Garbage, the get up kids, God forbid. Go gall, bordello.
00:52:00
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I don't know that American punk rock band from the lower east side of Manhattan. Never heard of them. Good Charlotte Green Day, Greta Van Fleet. I'm surprised they played there. Maybe before they kind of got big. Gwar him. Hanson. Oh geez. Hate breed. Hollywood undead. Iced earth. Jackal. Jimmy world. Johnny Maestro on the Brooklyn bridge. Justin Timberlake. Casey Musgraves. That sounds familiar.
00:52:25
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uh, knocked loose, kill, switching, kill, switching, gauge, knock loose, Ellie guns, lamagod, life house, mastodon, mega death, Metallica, mighty, mighty boss tones, misfits, modest mouse, motionless and white, motorhead, my chemical romance, Nelly Furtado, the New York dolls.
00:52:42
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Wow. Offspring. Overkill. Papa Roach. Paramore. Parkway Drive. Parliament Funkadelic. Peaches and Herb. Peaches and Herb. Can't think of the song, but they had one or two disco hits that you would know.
00:52:59
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Peaches and Herb is an American vocal duo. Herb fame has remained a constant as Herb since the duo was created in 1966. Seven different women have filled the role of Peaches, most notably Francine Edna.
00:53:15
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That's where it cuts off. Puddle of mud, Queens, rice, real big fish. Rob Zombie saves the day. See their seven does skid row skillet. Yeah. Social distortion stained. Streetlight manifesto. Sum 41. Testament. Thin Lizzie. Third eye blind. Three days. Grace. Thursday. Trace Atkins. Seems like a strange actor. Yeah. Trivium. Twisted Sister. Velvet Underground. Volby. Warrant wasp.
00:53:42
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Wu-Tang Clan, Ingvey Malmsteen and Ziggy Morley. I feel like Jersey's got a pretty, the history is pretty steeped in tradition. Yeah, like Stone Pony. I mean, that was like a renowned place that even like people from New York wanted to go play in Jersey.
Stone Pony Music Venue
00:54:10
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Yeah, let's see what they got to say about that.
00:54:16
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Of course I didn't. The page, The Stone Pony, does not exist. Oh, okay. Then why do you give me a link for one called The Stone Pony? Music venue in Asbury Park, New Jersey, known for launching the careers of many New Jersey music legends, including Bruce Springsteen, John Bon Jovi, and Southside Johnny and the Asbury Jukes, opened in 1973. I thought it was around for longer than that. Me too. Prior to becoming a music venue, the building housed a restaurant named Mrs. J's.
00:54:45
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Later named Mrs. J's beer garden that was frequented by a polyglot. How's that? I think that's like a group that's like very varied. Okay. It says citation needed right next to it.
00:55:03
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community of tourists, high school and college students and bikers citation needed. During the mid 1960s, Mrs. J's management began to allow bands to perform after the restaurant and beer garter went out of business in 1968, allegedly over a waitress wearing a see-through blouse. Mrs. J's moved two doors south and reopened a short time thereafter. A polyglot is knowing or using several languages. Hmm.
00:55:32
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Sounds like a misuse of the word. Let's see. Wow, this doesn't give like a
00:55:45
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Doesn't give you a rundown. Yeah, too many probably. A visit to the Stone Pony has been considered a pilgrimage to rock and roll fans around the world. It is a place that is important, not just to us, but to the world. New Jersey Governor Christie Todd Whitman said as she officially reopened the club on Memorial Day weekend 2000. I think the first time I played there was in 1989. Wow.
00:56:10
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depends on what time of year I might have even been born. Yeah. Cause you were born at the end of the year. I don't think at the beginning. Okay. That's right. January. Yeah.
00:56:23
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Jacqueline's coming by 9 30 or 10. Okay. I was going to say, we got to ask her to come on the show. Yeah. We've got to get a female voice. Yeah. We'll get the interior designer side of all of our gripes. Be interesting to hear what she complains about. Yeah.
00:56:44
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I was going to say Kristy Todd Whitman. It's funny that comes up. I heard on the radio yesterday her and Andrew Yang, who you might remember from the presidential race of 20 universal income. And yeah, I don't remember. Yeah. UBI universal basic income. I don't remember if it was the last one or the one prior. I think it must have been 20.
00:57:09
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I think it was, he was debating with Trump, wasn't he? In the first one? No, because he was a Democrat, I think, Andrew Yang.
00:57:24
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Anyway, he and Christie Todd Whitman, who's a governor, ex governor of New Jersey, like throughout my childhood, um, before Chris, uh, actually before Chris Christie, there was a, do you remember the guy before big scandal turned out, you know, he had like a family, but then he was like gay and he was like on the turnpike, like in the glory holes or something. What the hell was his name? Oh man.
00:57:53
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Oh, NJ governors. It's one of those. It's going to. Yeah. I didn't live in Jersey at the time. McGreevy. Yeah. Oh, and Corzine. I forgot about Corzine in between there. Um, but yeah, they started a new, um, a new party called the forward party.
00:58:26
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Let's see. Andrew Yang, Christie Todd Whitman move quote unquote forward with third party group of ex Republicans and Democrats have it has announced the formation of a third party. The latest effort to break the duopoly
00:58:43
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that has dominated American politics for more than a century, co-chaired by former Democratic presidential and New York mayoral candidate Andrew Yang and former Republican New Jersey Governor Christie Todd Whitman. The Forward Party is pitching itself as an alternative for centrists dissatisfied with the state of two major parties. Well, I'm dissatisfied with two major parties. I think it's a common consensus.
00:59:08
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It's crazy. Can I be dissatisfied with the third? Come on. Yeah. Cause you know, it's going to be, may I have another sir? Let's see, give us some, what are their bullet points? Yeah. They were talking about a little bit on the radio. This is actually, it's from New York post.
00:59:28
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Steering away from far fringes of the left and right to find the common ground, that approach can solve almost every problem. Really, anyone who is willing to work together to solve problems fits in the forward party. Yang told Reuters that the party is starting in a very strong financial position with a budget of around five million dollars. Financial support will not be a problem, he promised. It all sounds good on paper. Yeah.
01:00:00
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Why can't they just give some bullet points as to, here we go, this is NPR, which is a little bit of a more legitimate news source than the New York Post. Come on, page three.
01:00:17
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back in canyons right now, blah, blah, blah. This is like a transcript of an interview. Uh, anyway, I just thought I'd bring it up because of the name. I'd love to see something happen, you know, where the extremes are sort of, um, challenged. Yeah. I think Christie Todd Whitman was a pretty well received, um, governor. I don't really remember. I was, I was young, but, um,
01:00:47
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50th governor of New Jersey, 1994 to 2001. So she had a pretty good run. Yeah, that was before my time. I moved here in, uh, you know, been here for 21 years now, moved here July 4th weekend, 2002.
01:01:11
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Wow, a long time. Here we go. They got their own Wikipedia now, forward party. Really? Also known simply as Forward, FWD, a centrist political party in the United States. Ford has two political party affiliates at the state level that have achieved ballot access. Mergers, political
01:01:35
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Cabinet's original platform included instituting 18-year term limits for members of Congress for it. It also sought to establish a new Cabinet-level Department of Technology for it. The party supported civic juries and advocated for a citizen's portal. Not sure what that is. The party supported data as a property, right?
01:01:54
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I'm not sure how I feel about that. I don't know either way. The party called for an economy based on quote unquote human centered capitalism for it. The enactment of universal basic income. I think I'm for it and support for alternative forms of measuring economic progress.
01:02:11
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Already advocated for automatic tax filing for it towards former platforms supported the implementation of a universal healthcare system for it. We like that. And it encouraged states to adopt non-parts and primaries for it and implemented ranked choice voting for it. Concept Yang draws from political theorist and businesswoman Catherine
01:02:30
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Gail called final five voting rank choice. If you don't know is, um, I forget how many choices you get. I think it's three that I don't know. I just know the end result is, you know, whoever gets the most it's almost. Yeah. Like, uh, a lot of times there's almost like a playoff.
01:02:49
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Right. So like you vote and you get to vote for three people. So it's me, Rob and Lou. And you, well, I guess usually there's more. If you get to pick three, there's eight people. You pick, you know, your first choice, your second choice, your third choice. And I think it's anyone who doesn't get at least 20% of the vote is knocked out. They're out. Yeah.
01:03:13
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So it could be people from the same party going against each other in the end parties. It's just the most popular people go in the runoffs. Yeah. Let's see if they have a.
01:03:30
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Here we go, Alaska 2022 president in 2020 Alaska elections voters approved measure to rank choice voting for state and federal, including presidential elections. It replaces party primaries with a single nonpartisan blanket primary. So the top four candidates advance to a general election. However, presidential primaries continue to be partisan. It's kind of a blanket term for that's not one definitive way to do it, but
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It makes people feel like they're not wasting a vote. You can vote for the person that you want without saying, well, you know, this person is not going to win, so I shouldn't vote for them because it's going to be a waste of a vote, which is a big, you know, big issue.
01:04:17
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I want to see some defectors. That's when I'll know that the forward party is something to be reckoned with. Yeah. Like from both parties, like the Democrats and the Republicans, I'd love to see people like going, yeah, I'm, I'm not in touch with this party anymore. I'm going to join this party and that'd be cool.
01:04:40
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also proposed independent redistricting commissions. I'm definitely for that. Yeah, the gerrymandering is like insane. Yeah. And public finance reform in the form of democracy dollars, which I'm pretty sure is, you know, they want to give each person in the US these quote unquote democracy dollars that they can then donate to the political. For anything that has to do with taking money out of the pockets of the people with the money.
01:05:10
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Well, that too. Except my money, damn it. Don't touch my money. But I mean, in the political process, it's definitely a huge, huge issue. And, you know, I don't donate any political campaigns. No.
01:05:29
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Yeah. It's, you know, it's a war of attrition. These primaries, you know, if you don't have the biggest war chest, you're never going to make it for the year and a half that it takes to, to wage one of these campaigns. Yeah. You know, so you can effectively buy your success. Exactly. Yeah. Whoever spends the most is the last person standing. Yep.
01:05:56
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Anyway, they're hitting a lot of political stuff lately. Wow, we jumped up over an hour real quick. Yeah, it was all that reminiscing about good old rock and roll. Yeah. Well, that's all we got this week. Yeah, and support your local musicians out there. And let me give you a shameless plug. Support me.
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