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Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes
20 Plays9 months ago
The year is 2024. Enrique has joined the Ape Kingdom and has resorted to throwing feces at intruders.
What are the best animal actors? Was the Mr. Softee selling drugs outside of Julia's apartment? Should Julia know what a draft is by now? Was the title too long? Was this basically The Book Of Eli but with apes? Do you believe that Pat heckled Denzel Washington at a basketball game? Was this CGI better than Avatar 2? Why was Mae acting like a primitive human before doing a complete 180? Are you team Ape or team Human?
Thank you for listening!
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Transcript
Introduction and Episode Setup
00:00:00
Speaker
All right, Pat. Oh, cool. Let's get it cracking. Another episode of what we saw last night. This time we don't have a special guest, unfortunately, but um we do have each other. Oh God. Let's get into it. As always, I'm going to shut my window because people are loud.
00:00:21
Speaker
All right, one more question.
Fun Draft: Top 2024 Film Animals
00:00:25
Speaker
Animal draft. You guys got to draft topped with your top three animals in films from the year 2024. This is hard because none of them were good. there I want to say like we had to have a dog, right? Like somewhere. But either way, that's up to you guys to find. I feel like Enrique normally goes first in these. So Julia, go first. Nice. All right.
00:00:51
Speaker
Give me a second. Let's see, we got... Oh, I know. Sting from the movie Sting. That's gotta be number one. That's number one. Yeah, I was gonna say that. It's three, right? Yeah, yeah. Also, next time we do this, I'm gonna have the draft music. Okay. So go. Uh, yeah, all right. So Julia Drafts with the first pick Sting from the movie Sting. Enrique, you're on the clock.
00:01:18
Speaker
I will go with man, there wasn't really that many and I'm gonna go with ah I'll go with King Kong. Okay. He wasn't even cool in that movie though. Like his parts of the movie suck. but I mean, it's it's there's like two other animals. Because I'm looking back at this year on letterbox and like there's not even movies where they have like a dog.
00:01:45
Speaker
I feel like, I mean, we've had, we literally just saw Planet of the Apes, Sasquatch Sunset. And they were I'm not, it was because they were really bad. I know, but like, there's there's options, there's plenty of apes out there. Yeah, but this is like, we're supposed to pick good ones, so I'm like... Yeah. I got my next one ready. The chickens from Immaculate,
00:02:15
Speaker
Oh, there was chickens. Yeah. There were. All right, so the sandworm and doom too. All right, you got me there. Would you rather fight a thousand chickens or one really big chicken? I would rather fight a big chicken any day. I'm not getting jumped by a bunch of chickens. But it's like, but it's not like a normal big chicken. It's like,
00:02:44
Speaker
It's like a 10 to eight foot tall chicken. I'm not talking about like a GMO chicken. I mean, if you gave me time to train, yeah, I'd fight a big chicken. There's no training. It just shows up. Yeah, no, it's now. Wait this second. I'm not scared of an eight foot chicken. At the end of the day, you're a chicken. I eat you for pleasure. each You just start seasoning it? Yeah. Like I eat your kind for pleasure, you know?
00:03:14
Speaker
You know, but it's got like a beak, but it's like the beak is like bigger than your head. Or 1,000 regular chickens. 1,000 is ridiculous. Let's make it like 100, maybe 50. 50 regular chickens. Are these chickens trained? Or are they just chickens? They're just chickens, but they're mad at you. Who is it? Oh, then I fight. Then I would fight 100 chickens.
00:03:44
Speaker
If they're just, if all they are is chickens, I'm punching all those chickens in the face. War in the gut because there is no, like their face is so small. Just punch them in there. You would punch their beak. That
Ice Cream Truck Speculation
00:03:57
Speaker
would hurt. I wonder if you'll be able to hear the ice cream truck outside on the recording. I hope so. People need to know that the ice cream man does patrol the streets at nine 30 at night. the ice cream cheese It's selling drugs.
00:04:12
Speaker
They pull up in front of my apartment every night at like nine o'clock. They are indeed selling drugs, guys. That's okay. Yeah, but they got some. Yeah, it's fine. It's not like, like if I go to buy ice cream, they'll sell me some, I'm pretty sure. I've never tried it. I'm not a big ice cream guy. I do kind of want some ice cream. He's outside. I think you're stalling for your third. Oh, do I have to pick another one? news Yeah.
00:04:41
Speaker
I thought you were stalling. I still to this day don't know what a draft is. and That means we each have to pick three, because I got confused. Yes, you each pick three. Because you're like forming a team, so to form a team. Right, that's what I thought it was, but I thought I said all three, but then you said no. But that makes sense, because then the first guy would pick all the good players. Yeah, you should watch the NBA draft.
00:05:10
Speaker
Okay. So we haven't seen this yet, but Garfield. Okay. I, art can I use kids as animals? No. so You can't choose young Anakin Skywalker.
Movie Review: 'Damsel'
00:05:27
Speaker
No, I wasn't going to put young Anakin. He's a person. Yeah. There's, there's still some, some on left on the table. Yeah. The cat from Argyle. All right. That was good.
00:05:41
Speaker
I forget what the cat's name was, but it was like whiskers or nippets or something. No, it was like a human name. It was like, it was like something like that. Hold on, I'll look it up. It was whatever Sam Jackson's name was. Let's see. Sam. Alfie. Alfie. Right. That's a fine cat name. Yeah, it was Alfie the cat. Notable animals left on the board.
00:06:11
Speaker
The stuff from ISS. the um What was it, crickets? Oh, there were rats. Rats. The rats from ISS. Never choose a rat. the ah ah If you saw the movie, meet me and Enrique did see it. There was a ah cool dog in um History of Evil. Oh, yeah, there was. There was a cool dog there. And a all the apes from Planet of the Apes, Godzilla, and bees from Beekeeper.
00:06:41
Speaker
There's also the Eagles. I was going to go with the Eagles from Planet of the Apes. Oh yeah. and is We're so close to football season that I can't. We we are not close at all. wait The schedule came out, man.
00:06:59
Speaker
yeah we're we're still like four months away
Olympics and Football Season Preview
00:07:02
Speaker
yeah but he's not looking forward to anything else in the next four months so he's just waiting that's like the next event in his mind like nothing else is happening yeah and we got trips to Mahoney we got like right but that's that's too i have nothing in my life worth living for for the next four months. Those things just keep me alive, like Mahoning and the movies. And I mean, of course, I'm exaggerating, but the Olympics. Oh, the Olympics are this year. Maybe I'll be OK. Maybe football. But then that makes football season come a lot faster. Yeah. But yeah. i oh Oh, there's also the movie Damsel with Millie Bobby Brown came out this year.
00:07:49
Speaker
That's her name, right? okay There was a dragon in that movie. That dragon was pretty cool. Is that any good? The movie sucked, but the dragon was amazing. like the the The design of the dragon was phenomenal, but the movie sucked. Here's the thing about that movie. ah They did her so wrong because that she could have turned that into a franchise.
00:08:20
Speaker
I feel like she has potentials to, she has like the potential to turn like those kind of movies into her niche. Based off the thumbnail and absolutely nothing else, it looks like it's exactly like the show she already has on Netflix. Stranger Things? No. In Nola Holmes? Yeah. um Without knowing anything about either, I assume they are the same No, so Enola Holmes is just Sherlock Holmes. She's Sherlock's little sister. Enola Holmes is pretty good. Damsel, she's a daughter of a king that gets married off into a family, but the family sacrifices her. She probably solved something. she ah she She solved how to get out of the cave alive from the dragon. And then she solved how to tame the dragon. so Sherlock Holmes.
00:09:17
Speaker
with a dragon. I guess you're right. Have y'all ever seen The Great Mouse Detective? That's a great movie. No. No, anything with mice. I try to stay away. That's fine. And watch like Cinderella or Sleeping Beauty, whichever one had mice, which one had the fat mouse named Gary or Gus Gus Gus Gus. Yeah. My, my friend always brings up Gus Gus and I'm like, I don't know what that is.
Box Office Success: 'Terra'
00:09:41
Speaker
The only mouse movie I'll see is like graveyard shift.
00:09:46
Speaker
yes and gene movie well i'm lying i've seen brett tooy was cool Isn't the name of that one movie Alfie where he has like a bunch of mice that he controls Oh, I don't know we we're moving on a number of mice talk but let's ah oh well we'll go we'll go into um so we we We saw Terra last week. Man, it actually did a really good second week in the box office. It's now made $20 million, dollars three times the budget. So I didn't expect that. I don't know who's watching this movie, but good for them, I guess.
00:10:28
Speaker
I'm honestly not that surprised because I feel like people always come out for like, you know, people just like these like witchy paranormal movies. Like that's ah going into it. I was kind of excited because I'm like, Oh, a nice witchy movie. You know, this is yeah casual horror viewer where they're like, Oh, I don't go to the movies every week, but there's this new horror flick out. Let's see it.
00:10:51
Speaker
You know, so like, no yeah I understand the draw, but it was terrible. That's why. the Yeah. I don't think it's getting many repeat watchers, but I do think it's got, but it is kind of fascinating to see that, um, it came out and it had terrible ratings. And, um, a lot of people then just were like ignoring that and going right out, which shows that, you know, not every everyone reads reviews. So.
00:11:21
Speaker
Good for them. Yeah, because the reviews are terrible. Yeah, it like can't get any worse. Yeah, like the reviews are terrible in some fucking way. um That movie is just doing better and better each week. Yeah. All right,
Title Debate: 'Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes'
00:11:40
Speaker
let's get into it. We saw this week, we saw the kingdom of the planet of the apes. First off, what do you guys think about a title that has two of those in it? Do you guys think that this was a dumb title? Visually no. So like as a person who is interested in design and has no real like technical art skills,
00:12:10
Speaker
The design of the Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, I think was was great. like just the It was clean. Other than that, i you know it's like it's just too long of a title. The Kingdom of the Planet of the Ape, that's too long of a title.
00:12:30
Speaker
It feels, I mean, like it feels like, yeah, like, you know, yeah, I mean, of course they, they made it look like the beatable on the posters and it looked nice. But he yeah, it's too long and it feels kind of stupid to say, like the amount of times I keep saying the kingdom of the um planet of the apes. If, yeah I don't know, it feels like they could have workshopped it. I honestly don't think it's terrible. I don't hate it.
00:12:58
Speaker
My only problem with it is I don't understand how the title fits the movie. That was my second question. Do you guys think the title is good because you saw the movie? It's it's not really a kingdom. I guess there's like a that one main ape and he had like all the slaves. So I guess he was meant to be the king, but it wasn't it's not really giving kingdom. So the name just fit. Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I don't hate the name. It's just the name doesn't fit the movie.
00:13:29
Speaker
Where's the kingdom? That is true. The whole time I was thinking like, whose kingdom is this? like the Because it's also the planet of the apes. So whose kingdom is it? Yeah. just yeah The title didn't make sense. clearly boom yeah The planet belongs to the apes, but who it is also their kingdom? it it Honestly, would I feel like would it make more sense if it was just king of the planet of the apes?
00:13:58
Speaker
Yeah, it made more sense if it was called like Long Live Caesar. Yeah, I feel like because it all came back book of Caesar. Yeah. Oh, that'd be awesome, man, playing at the age the book of Caesar. That would be fucking great. Yeah, that's a great title. Yeah, I honestly, I think that would have made a movie. It's giving like Book of Eli for me. And it all ties back to like religion and how basically Caesar becomes like a religious idol in the future. They they use him as a religious idol in this. Right. So I feel like the book of Caesar makes a lot of sense because he kind of becomes. I'm sorry. No, I was just thinking this is basically the book of Eli. Oh, man. so Yeah. they They're making a new book of Eli, a prequel. Interesting. I think John Boyega's Denzel plays Denzel. Interesting. Yeah. Not Denzel's son.
00:14:51
Speaker
No, he plays like a young Denzel. No, it's a prequel. Is he blind? I don't know. I think before he goes blind, they show him being blinded. Spoiler alert. If you haven't seen this 15 year old movie, sorry, the end of book reveal, I they revealed that he's blind the whole time. Yeah. I heckled Denzel when this came out. um He was sitting next to me at a basketball game and we were talking shit to him. Man, that's like.
00:15:19
Speaker
Carl Weathers and Arnold Schwarzenegger, high-fiving flex there, Pat. I mean, his son played for UPenn and we were there representing LaSalle.
00:15:36
Speaker
It was a big five matchup and we were like, what the hell's the book of Eli? He got up and he laughed and he like waved at us. Whatever. Moving on to the Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes. So this was directed by West Ball. He directed the the Maze Runner trilogy, which I never saw. I don't even think I've seen it or heard of it.
00:16:01
Speaker
He is set to direct a Zelda movie that's gonna come out in a year or two. He also is attached to write and direct a... um to write and direct the next two, king the two Planet of the Apes. This movie's got a 77% on Rotten Tomatoes. a West Ball also is flipping back to him. He has a background and a specialty in visual effects as a visual artist and graphic designer. So I got this from Wikipedia. It was taken from an interview.
00:16:35
Speaker
um on the more specifics of the graphics because I know that both of you said how light clean the movie looked. Both stated the film did not use the volume technology which had previously been employed for The Mandalorian. They were going into the fact that he kind of worked on The Mandalorian focusing on filming on location and using full CG He went to compare the film's CG to that to of James Cameron's The Avatar franchise. The team used techniques from the previous um film, The Avatar, The Way of Water,
00:17:15
Speaker
When working on action sequences involving a human hunt taking place on rivers, this was due to requiring the CG models of apes based on motion capture performances to appear realistic when interacting with water. The interview also states that they just spent a lot of time on making sure everything looked cleaned.
00:17:40
Speaker
And I think that it shows. So it was just like they just took their time on making sure the movie looked good. They use a lot of James Cameron techniques. And um I think like Enrique, you pointed that out without knowing it. So that's why I went in my research. I put this in. Yeah. So I think I gave I think I originally the whole because when I watch a movie, I'm always thinking what what am I going to give this on letterbox? you know and I keep that in mind as I'm watching a movie so I don't get distracted by the movie. you know and All I could think of is how gorgeous the fucking like the computer graphics were in the movie and like just how, I don't know, maybe maybe I was half asleep, which I was and I was wide awake. but
00:18:29
Speaker
just how realistic the the apes looked and the, which I don't know why you wouldn't use falcons, but you know, a peregrine falcon is the fastest animal on the planet, just an FYI. But anyway- But they know, they used eagles. Right, right, right. So like the eagles looked amazing, the zebras. Fuck, I don't even know if the humans were CGI or real, you know? But that was the one thing that I noticed was This is probably, and some people might get upset by this, but I remember I told you guys, it' was like this might be better than Avatar Way of the Water.
00:19:11
Speaker
I think it looked better than Avatar Way in the Water. Maybe not the the water specifically, but overall, I thought that this was a very clean movie, but you have a guy who really, like that's his bread and butter, his visuals, and he wanted to show you why it is. so And you know what? You saying that, was it just made so much sense because the story and we'll get into all that. yeah don't say yeah don like The story and everything else, like even like the the writing of the characters and all that stuff, you can tell this guy you like you can tell his bread and butter is graphic arts because if you watch it and
00:20:04
Speaker
you pay attention to both things, the story, and you pay attention to, I mean, even the action, like when when they when any kind of action, like any action scene that went on, especially when in the beginning of the movie, and again, we'll get into it, but like just from the beginning of the movie, I was just so amazed at how just real everything looked. And the the apes, every every single animal just looked so real.
00:20:33
Speaker
and Yeah, so yeah, yeah, i'm i'm on I'm not surprised that this is like his background at all.
00:20:45
Speaker
Yeah, um so yeah, that's all like the pre
Plot Overview and Character Analysis
00:20:49
Speaker
stuff. um This pre production took a long time to make. I think the script was like written, and he was attached in 2020. You know, pandemic happened, there was kind of delay there was a lot of delays. Eventually, the principal photography that took like a year to film. It was from 2022 to 2023. And then all the editing went up until like, you know, right before release. So there you go. And Julia, do you want to give a quick recap of it? Sure. It it starts off with, I guess, like a village or I don't know what to call it of apes.
00:21:27
Speaker
Our main character, I guess, is Noah, I think his name is. And there he has two best friends. So we're it's like three adolescent apes. They're getting ready for some ritual that's happening the following day where they get like a an eagle assigned to them. And we just see like the dynamics of their little ape village. And then it turns out their ape village gets attacked by another group of apes. And they also see signs that there's humans in the area.
00:21:58
Speaker
And at this point in time, humans are like dumb and basically apes and the apes are intelligent and they talk. But the apes, they're not fully intelligent the way they are in some of the other Planet of the Apes movies. They kind of talk like cavemen and are like pretty primitive with their speech and technology and everything. They're attacked by this other group of apes. A bunch of people in the village are killed and then Noah survives and All his friends and family are kidnapped. His father's killed, but his mother and his friends are kidnapped. So he's the only one left behind. They left him for dead. So then he gets up and takes a horse and goes to get revenge and rescue his family. And then he meets this old orangutan that tells him about the ancient Caesar, who's basically a religious figure now. They find the other,
00:22:56
Speaker
apes that like kidnapped his family and there's this one like big asshole ape that I guess is like the king and is keeping them all as slaves they also find this human girl and find out that she's not dumb she can talk like a normal human and they're at some kind of bunker that has all this human technology locked inside and the big asshole ape is trying to break into it and the human girl doesn't want to help him. That guy that plays Frank Gallagher is there. I don't know the actor's name. William H. Macy. Is that who William H. Macy is? Mm-hmm. Okay. Well, he's there. Great actor. He's like the only other human, but he's helping the apes because he's like he he plays like Frank Gallagher in this because he's like, man, whatever, except for instead of alcohol, he has like books.
00:23:49
Speaker
Yeah, his vice. his It's like books instead of drugs, but he's still Frank Gallagher. I've never seen shameless. So basically they're trying to break into this bunker. And then the girl like stops them and she tries to blow up. She basically blows up the bunker so that nobody gets the technology because she's like, this isn't meant for apes to have it's human technology. And the apes that are friendly with her, they're like,
00:24:17
Speaker
hey, why are you like this? Like you're being kind of mean. Like, why can't we just happen? She's like, it's not meant for you. It's for humans. And it's kind of like whatever, but also go off. They eventually kill the big asshole ape using their eagles because so the the main character, Noah never gets his eagle because all this shit went down before he got his ceremony where an eagle got assigned to him. And his father's eagle didn't like him and would like antagonize him and mock him.
00:24:46
Speaker
But at the end, the eagle finally comes to him and helps him and basically becomes his eagle. And all of the slave apes start doing this call and all of their eagles show up and peck the big guy off the cliff and he falls to his death. I keep calling him the asshole ape. And then in the end, everything's kind of- His name was Proximus. But I like Asshole more though.
00:25:15
Speaker
He's the king, I guess. The king asshole. so I'm sorry, go ahead. I just. Then at the end, like, all right, they kill Proxima. Stuff's kind of back to normal though, rebuilding the society. And then the human girl comes and visits the apes, comes and visits Noah and his family. And she's got a gun for some reason, but she doesn't just have it like, cause she found a gun with all the human stuff, but.
00:25:42
Speaker
She doesn't just have it on her. She's holding it behind her back in that specific way where you know what that means in a movie. It means she's like, might shoot him, might not, she's debating. But that scene made no sense because it's like, why would she want to shoot Noah? They were on the same team. I think she just hates apes because that's, you know, we kind of get an inkling where she's like, yeah, this technology is for humans only. Because she's like this,
00:26:09
Speaker
plays like this innocent little girl. She looks like a supermodel, like a 17 year old supermodel. It's kind of like odd. So you don't you don't think of her as like a protagonist or an antagonist. She's just kind of like a girl. But I think they're setting it up for her to be like the human who's trying to take back the earth from the apes. Even though that seems like an odd thing for her it doesn't really fit her like physical character. They're setting it up because she's like, no, the humans are taking back the planet. So she, she had the gun. She had the gun on her ready to blast yeah because she went to go in a way I assumed, and I'm just going to go with, um,
00:27:05
Speaker
this weird thought that maybe the writing was this way, because I would have probably wrote it in this way. She went to, I'm assuming, somewhat apologize and say goodbye, because she she did fuck them over. to it's yeah when when When she used them, because they're literally apes, so she had to climb up a fucking mountain, basically, to to do what she had to do. So she used them and then basically was like, sorry, and basically almost killed them all. So she's going back to be like, hey, you know, I'm leaving, but also I'm kind of sorry, but also don't, you know, I don't want no static cause
00:27:55
Speaker
She said call an ambulance, but not for me. Yeah. Yeah. Like I don't, you know, I don't, we don't need no static here. Cause it just didn't make sense. Cause it's like, you can tell she's debating, she's hiding it. She's holding it behind her back. I think she was more scared. Wait, I want to know what, what was making her shoot or not shoot. What was the exciting factor? Noah going to come up and beat the shit out of her. I feel like she knows Noah's not like that. Yeah, but she's racist.
00:28:25
Speaker
Yeah. So yeah, she definitely knows he's not like that. Oh, she is fucking racist. I know she is. I mean, we only see like a hand. Yeah. Oh my God. Listen, I, I know that, but the, the, they do play that. So the, the, one of the things in the movie too, that I realized that I guess we'll get into, actually, I'll wait until you mention it, Pat, because it is something that you brought up. um But the this isn't important, but I'm just going to say if it's okay. Suna was like his love interest and Anaya was his like homeboy who was a punk. I only know that because I looked up what their names was because I forgot. The guy who plays Proximus is Kevin Durand, not to be confused for Kevin Durand.
00:29:21
Speaker
I was going to say, damn, all right, Cady. No, it's a different Cady who played Barry Burton in Resident Evil. So you've seen Smoke and Aces, right? Oh, hell yeah. Remember the group of the what the the group of like crazy motherfuckers and ah and um the crazy rednecks? Yeah. He was the taller one, not Chris Pine, but the the taller one.
00:29:47
Speaker
with the Mohawk kind of hair. OK. All right, I know exactly who he is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this has nothing to do with anything, but I just wanted to point out that I love him, because in one of my favorite movies is Smoke and Aces. And he plays like this super unhinged fucking hitman. Well, I don't even know if he was a hitman. I think they were just like rednecks. No, he was a hitman. OK, he might have just been a redneck that happened to also be a professional hitman.
00:30:16
Speaker
um Yeah, sorry. I just wanted to throw it that out there because I thought that was really cool.
00:30:24
Speaker
That they got him to play Proximus, or better known as Asshole Ape.
Story Critique and Themes
00:30:33
Speaker
Because he was. He was just a fucking asshole. I couldn't remember his name, so he's the bad guy. He's the bad guy. Yeah, he was an asshole. That's the thing. He was an asshole. So what did you guys think of the movie? You want to go or you want me to rant? You can go in.
00:30:49
Speaker
Okay. I just talked for a while. Go ahead. No, no, no. That's, you know, I'm just trying to be a gentleman, I guess. I also don't have any full thoughts. I don't have any thoughts of the movie. I i think I literally explained ah everything I loved about the movie when we talked about how it looked. You know, I was just so fascinated by, I was so fascinated by the visuals and I briefly mentioned this earlier, but I didn't want to like,
00:31:18
Speaker
ruin the recap, but in the, like the beginning starts off, the beginning starts off, you know, you get your like, they're, they're looking for eggs and I thought they were going to eat them, but then it turns out like, no, they're not. They're looking, they're going to raise these Eagles and blah, blah, blah, blah. Right. But then they get into this fight with these like asshole apes.
00:31:43
Speaker
And, or actually I think it was like a gorilla, but anyways, they get into this fight with this, like, with these like thug apes and the fire, like they lit the, they lit, they basically lit the village on fire. And I was just so fascinated by the visuals. Like the fire looks so realistic. The.
00:32:07
Speaker
the the chimps like The chimps side by side with the girl, i honestly, there nothing told me. like She looked faker than the than the chimps did, if that makes any sense.
00:32:24
Speaker
You know what I'm saying? Like she, I'm not saying they were, I'm just saying like, they were so clean to where it's like, nothing about it made me say, this is CGI, you know, which I knew it was, but I'm just saying like, outside of that, I mean, the story itself was kind of, I mean, they they make Caesar, they turn Caesar into a God, which that makes sense because at this point,
00:32:54
Speaker
you know, you kind of have to keep people interested and that is the original, you know, that's the original hero is Caesar from from the beginning, from the Planet of the Apes with Jane Franco, you know, and you kind of got to acknowledge Caesar and all these movies. If not, people are like, oh, I don't give a fuck anymore. What they, I don't know, now I can't stop thinking about it being basically the book of Eli. Cause they did, they're,
00:33:23
Speaker
There's one orangutan left that was like in the Caesar cult, just spreading the word of Caesar. And that was basically Denzel. Just spreading the word of Caesar had all the knowledge in the head and was like, I'll go with you on this journey because for whatever reason, I feel like you're the chosen one. You know, and it was just a fucking stupid teenage ape.
00:33:52
Speaker
I mean, this was like book of Eli. If someone killed Eli, burned the Bible, but they still decided to follow Jesus Christ with like zero knowledge or reason behind it. Because like at the end they have like the kid, the main ape has zero clue who Caesar is. The orangutan literally just said he's important. And that kid like starts worshiping Caesar and is like,
00:34:22
Speaker
I don't know why, but i he's important. we We have to worship him now. And it made no sense. like The thing is, they they do all of this, and they kind of show you that like the the apes you know the apes rule the land, the apes, you know they're they're sooner or later, they're going to learn how to read sooner or later, this and that. And then, boom, out of nowhere, where you find out, this fucking girl's Normal as fuck. Yeah, they spend until like the first hour of the movie setting up. They're like Humans are a hundred percent feral They don't speak or have zero intelligence and apes are like humans are in our world And then like 45 minutes or an hour in you find out that's not the case at all One the apes really aren't that intelligent. I mean they are they can speak and stuff, but they're like I
00:35:17
Speaker
They're like cavemen. And that's kind of the reason I found the movie really boring was they're basically like a little bit more intelligent than animals. So it felt like I was just watching animals the whole time. Like they can't really speak like human speak. They don't have. Yeah. so They still do sign language because they don't know how to say certain words. And like they speak in the third person. They're like me sad.
00:35:45
Speaker
Yeah, they're like, you know, go like, yeah, they, the thing is, I, they were just stupid fucking apes. They weren't that smart. And then the thing is, if now, if you never introduced that like concept that like humans are still humans and they're still intelligent and they're still scientists and shit, then that makes sense. Cause the apes are, you know, I guess after the fall of Caesar, they probably digress and then they're trying to build back up. But then next thing you know, fucking the girls just like, Oh, my name is me. And then like the gorillas, they're I think they were more intelligent than the apes were. Most likely probably. Yeah. What's his name Proxima? He could speak normally like a human and they had some technology they had like, they they they knew electricity. Yeah. Like electronic weapons, like shock things.
00:36:43
Speaker
like we find the main group is just dumb. William H. Macy was like behind I think the shock things though. Yeah but they I mean they probably but you know what that's right though because they were like oh you're saying Noah rebuilt this and they were all like amazed that he rebuilt this thing and all Noah did was kind of like just figured out that the wires kind of go together. I had a hard time connecting with the main characters because the main characters were the least intelligent in the movie. And it's basically like the equivalent of like a dog when everyone else is a human, but they don't even like personify the dog. It's not like Bojack is smarter than the right like it's not like I'm watching the movie babe and babe like
00:37:31
Speaker
we hear his thoughts as if he's human. It's like we're watching animals and they have the intelligence of animals. Right. So they have like no emotional depth. No, like, like real, like the conflict. it's It's very low stakes because they're not. It's very primitive. Yeah, very primitive. Like they don't have the same relationships like humans would have. Like I see that that's your friends. I see that those are your parents and you're obviously sad when stuff happens to them, but it didn't really,
00:38:00
Speaker
get to me I didn't really connect because I'm like that's like if you're a dog and your dog mom died or your dog dad died you're probably sad about it a little bit but you're a dog I don't want to like it sounds like I'm bashing dogs because I'm using that as a reference no but it's like you just do it's an animal the thing is like let's let's compare all well not all but let's compare some like animals having intelligence and being able to speak movies. I mean, obviously, you know they made it where like they can speak English to humans. so you know But like one movie that I keep thinking of is like Fox and the Hound, because Fox and the Hound is kind of similar to this. Parents die.
00:38:50
Speaker
um you get kind of brought into like a family. I mean, they follow the same formula obviously, but the thing is these animals were smart. Like all these animals in these movies were smart. They're smart. Fucking Air Bud can shoot a junk shot. Like these animals are smart animals. And you know, you have like these goofy things like Ratatouille, you know, and how to fucking chef it up. But I would say, cause like gorillas in real life can be taught sign language. So the apes in the movie are like,
00:39:21
Speaker
almost the same intelligence level as regular apes. They just can't speak like vocally, but I don't think they're any more intelligent. and that's the thing like A little bit. I'm being extra. like They build fires and like ride horses and shit. But here's the thing that that throws me off about it. I mentioned all these movies, these but these animals obviously cannot talk to humans. right um That's the point. and but this is planet of the apes. you know It's like right the apes rule, but yet you don't have electricity. You don't have this, you have that. that would That would be fine if it weren't for the reference of every other character. like I wouldn't care if they weren't like the dumbest ones in the movie. like They show us
00:40:07
Speaker
Eagles are smarter. Yeah. Well, I don't know. Yeah, I guess. But like, even like I said, the gorillas are more intelligent and have like a more intelligent speech pattern. The orangutan and the orangutan was basically human. Right. The orangutan basically knew how to read. so I mean, it's it's the equivalent of like, if you're looking at the dog in Anatomy of the Fall, where he doesn't talk or anything, and then all the other characters are human.
00:40:35
Speaker
So like he doesn't have a big emotional impact. So our main characters don't have any emotional impact. I can't relate to them because they're animals and everyone else in the movie is basically human, whether they're an animal or not. And I like, how am I supposed to connect to the main character? What really, really throws me off is that there's still humans that are normal humans.
00:41:03
Speaker
yeah And it it also didn't make any sense that they're speaking English to each other. Because I feel like it, I mean, it makes sense that we're viewing it in English, but my takeaway from it is they're not actually speaking English, they're speaking like basic or whatever. And we're hearing it as English, like that type of thing. So when the human girl shows up,
00:41:22
Speaker
they shouldn't be able to understand each other right right they're speaking so they're they're making noises that they can interpret through each other yeah like they're speaking because they're intelligent they have they do have language well it wouldn't be english it would be probably a different language or I don't know. and but i But I guess they can't really, because in all the other Planet of the Apes movies, the Apes English, I don't know what part of the world they're supposed to be in. So New York, well, I don't know about this one, but the the the all the other ones, they're centered around like the Northeast. No. um the The original was San Francisco.
00:42:03
Speaker
I mean, they seem kind of nomadic, so I don't know what determines what language intelligences. So it makes, I guess, to be fair, it makes sense that it is English, because James Franco taught Caesar English. And then, and, you know, it's like that meme. That's when it's down. Right, right. Like Caesar walks up to him and and whispers something in his ear. I forget what he whispered, but I'm home or something. and um Whatever it was, like he he whispers something in his ear and James Frank is like, oh my God, you know how to speak English, right? So it would make sense that they speak English because that's the human language that Cesar passed down to everyone else. So that would make sense. Now, they were if they would start talking fucking Spanish or French or something, then it's like, oh, pump the brakes. You know like you you guys, Cesar knew English? Cesar wasn't learning languages. like He learned English.
00:43:02
Speaker
However the fuck he did it, he learned English. So I guess it makes sense that they're speaking English, but I just, I didn't like that somewhere you still kind of keep that like human. You, you keep that like idea of humans, regular humans alive. And it just doesn't make sense because X amount of years come they wipe out the and I use air quotes for anyone that can't see me.
Human Intelligence in the Movie Universe
00:43:36
Speaker
But they wipe out the basically wipe out the humans, they all become nomadic, they all become primitive, everything kind of goes kind of resets. But then somehow you didn't
00:43:48
Speaker
Somehow there's a few humans that know how to work satellites and know how to fucking, this fucking girl knew Krav Maga. She fucking took, she she knew how to fucking, like that's what that's what you see in movies. She fucking took him down like like Jason Statham would take down someone in fast sex. She fucking took William H. Macy down.
00:44:14
Speaker
in a heart like that's what they fucking teach that's what they teach you in martial law. How the fuck did all this happen? wouldn you know like It was that pretending that I'm just some stupid fucking nomadic girl and she's crawling and yeah you know acting like a dog. And then out of nowhere is like, my name is May.
00:44:36
Speaker
Yeah, she's literally like- I'm not a human. crawl I'm a person. She's acting like animalistic and like- All I heard was- ... grunting. And then one day she just stands up and is like, I have a name. It's May. Yeah. It it also- Go ahead. How do you spell it? Would it be M-A-E or M-A-Y? M-A-E. All right. So it's short for something else. She's sophisticated, probably short for Maybelline.
00:45:04
Speaker
Meilani. Yeah. with ah With like a couple of silent sign letters here and there. Like how people spell spell like Lee and it's like L-E-I-G-H. No, but she she just she gave off like Anakin, I'm not a slave, I'm a person vibes. cause what like What was the point of that? why Why are you, she's shivering and she's standing and she's like,
00:45:34
Speaker
She's like acting like she's like a fucking brainless animal. so But I feel like that mean because they're setting up that she's manipulative. shes Yeah. like we're She's the bad guy that's going to wipe out the apes. Because she even said she's like, oh, my mom told me to pretend that I don't speak for safety because if the apes find out that you can speak, they're going to kidnap you and do something.
00:45:58
Speaker
But because she's, her next move is, you know, she's contacted, um, other, other tribes of humans. They're gonna like try eradicating the apes. Yeah. And, and, and I get that cause I did pick that up. The Apes 2 extinction. Yeah. And, and like, when, when she brought that up, I do get that part, but it's like, tone it down a little bit, you know? Well, yeah. It was like one extreme and then immediately another extreme.
00:46:26
Speaker
you know like i can So when she screamed out Noah, I didn't hear Noah. I heard like, no first yeah yeah at first I took it as, okay, she's just mimicking a sound that she heard. And then he's like, I heard her speak. I know how crazy me hear speak her. you know And then she's just like, as if I have a fucking name. you know and It's like, what why did you take it from one extreme to the other? you know How about you glide? Let it glide. Let it fucking flow into... It's just boom, then out of nowhere. It's like, oh, um I know exactly what I'm doing. Let me take you to my peoples. Let me take you to my base. Where the fuck did that... you know that that's That's where it threw me off, because I get it. I get the manipulative part. I do, because I did kind of realize that too in the movie. I was like, oh, this is just some manipulative bitch, right?
00:47:22
Speaker
But don't take it from her. She literally was crawling on the ground eating apples like a fucking like like you would throw a a stray dog. And she looks like she don't eat fruit that hasn't been washed. Right, right, right. I know don't eat. I know she peels. She's the type that peels apples before she eats them. She don't eat the apple skin. Yeah, like and you can tell by looking at her, if you see this girl, she comes on screen and I'm like,
00:47:49
Speaker
to pack up for a few more. I was like, this bitch knows what I know. She's got a full face and makeup on. She has like lash extensions. At some point. And I noticed like her clothes are torn, but her clothes fit very well. They are clearly her size. Like it would make more sense if you're wearing like a big t-shirt that you just found. The thing is, her extremes were just too extreme.
00:48:18
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. it was No, yeah, they take you out of the, the I mean, but like let's move on from talking about her because we've been on it for a while, but they take you out of the movie. Yeah, it's exactly. There's just too many little things that took me out of the movie. Yeah, but but to segue from her, because I do want to get away from her, because even her character kind of sucked. Yeah, her character was lame. Yeah, her her character sucked and she was worthless. and But then you have the three main characters.
00:48:47
Speaker
and you have a And I guess Julia mentioned it perfectly. like You have no emotion for any of the characters. like At some point, I was like, oh man, the mom's dead. and Whatever, right? Normally in movies like this, I'm like, damn, they killed the fucking mom and the dad. like That's fucked up, right? I would assume at least one of them lives. But in this one, it's like, oh, well, the mom's probably dead too. Whatever. Let's move on, right? Oh, well, you know he found the suma or whatever her name is. he's you know
00:49:19
Speaker
His homeboy probably died. Who gives a fuck? He was a punk anyway. You know like you don't really give a shit about none. Even Noah. I was like, why did he kill Noah? That's okay. Because his people's alive. like Whatever. You don't really care about them. It's kind of hard to it's kind of hard to care about any character. like At some point, very briefly, I started to care about Proximus and thinking like, this dude's got a point.
00:49:45
Speaker
You know, but then I sympathize with him because like, yeah, you want the technology. But I also sympathize with me because I'm like, yeah, the humans need to rise up again. But I don't sympathize with like Noah at all because he's just an idiot and boring. Like, yeah, like the character development was lacking.
00:50:09
Speaker
for me, like and ah Julia, you said it right, and I think that's why we could... kind of move on from that. is ah You don't care about the care any character. This is a movie where so like the characters experience loss. They go through trials and and and you just don't care because you're you're not led to care, which you know that's going to be a problem for them down the road. ah Real quick, who do you guys, if you had to pick, are you team ape or team human?
Allegiance Debate: Apes vs. Humans
00:50:43
Speaker
Funny because
00:50:46
Speaker
I am team ape 100%. Now hear me out. The apes have a higher ceiling. You know, humans, we already know that the humans peaked when cars were invented. You know, humans are just fucking stupid. Well, i'm you know, I know, I know, like we fly and we go to space and they mentioned all that shit, but humans are like, we know what their ceiling is, you know? And the apes have potential.
00:51:15
Speaker
But also humans are fucking disgusting. We're destructive. We're fucking oh literally disgusting and throw like, I drove home one day and someone's taking a shit between two cars, you know? And it's like humans, we know what humans are capable of. Humans have greed. Humans have a lot of these like negative qualities. I feel like the apes have more potential because although it's supposed to be Planet of the Apes, they're still kind of primitive, but they they're learning. But the thing is, they were more advanced, you know, 20 years before that. Right, right. and And that's the thing, too. It's like the the the humans have a higher ceiling, in my opinion. So if I were, if they were like, look, there's two crews you can roll with the humans who are starting to set the satellites up and they're calling people and
00:52:12
Speaker
What was it, Indiana or Illinois? and you know Or you could come and chill with the apes. I'll teach you falconry. What's it called, Pat? falcony Falconry? f re Falconry. Falconry. I'll teach you falconry. I'm going with the apes, man, because the apes have more upside.
00:52:30
Speaker
I also think it's cool that they used a golden eagle because like that's historically been a ah bird that we domesticate to, not like partially domesticate and trained to do hunting for us. um you know like yeah Throughout the Middle East, yeah there's these like people and there's these tribes of and they were alive for survival on a golden eagle. And ah it was one of those like shows Uh, maybe like about like, like it was like planet earth. They had some amazing shots of the golden Eagles doing the hunting and, um, actually, you know, they drop like ah a rabbit by accident and it falls to its death. I don't know. The whole thing using them was cool.
00:53:18
Speaker
and Just I'm team human cuz I don't know if you know this but like humans can't do falconry I'm team a um they made How are you gonna be team human? They had their shot. They failed. Yeah, but like Here's the thing humans are just gonna fail. That's there that's all I don't know. I think we're doing okay right now We lose. I think we're doing pretty terrible and economy's horrible. I'm doing fine. I Like we have fucking mental illness, you know what I'm saying? Like it's it's. Yeah, but that who's to say there's war, there's genocide. This is in real life. They give like pet apes or like chimps or gorillas, whatever people keep is they give them Zoloft because they're depressed. But they have upside. We don't have any upside. No, because anything that can be done, humans can do it better. We have better like dexterity. We have better like motor control.
00:54:18
Speaker
better communication, like apes will never- We got thumbs. Yeah, like ah opposable thumbs, like apes will never be able to perform as well. We can do all the same activities, but humans will be better. Take away guns, I'm more scared of an ape. What does that mean? Yeah, they're gonna rip, because an ape will rip you apart. well You also have to think about that too. Everybody's territorial, everything is- Don't kill me either, which way? No, that's my people's.
00:54:47
Speaker
like if if If they're like, look, you could rule with us and be one of us, or you could be a you could go back to your humans, and all and it's in this world, I will go to games. I already know what humans have. They don't want to be a human. No, they're literally asking me, like would you come with us? I'm saying,
00:55:10
Speaker
Obviously I'll never, I'll never talk to an ape. At some point they're going to be an uprising and they will kill you. They're going to do like a cleanse. So will humans. So it's like. That's what I'm saying. Anything you're saying that can go wrong, apes will do that too. Yeah, but so will humans. And that's the thing, like I, I've already seen what humans can do.
00:55:31
Speaker
You know what I'm saying? You're just trying to get away. You want to live with a bunch of, like, apes? The thing is, I can learn. I can learn different things, you know? like Yeah, but then after a day, you'll be, like, mad as hell because, like, they don't have... There's tons of things that... your so Your skin gets dry and they don't have any lotion because they're fucking apes. Well, that's fine. You get hungry and you find out they only eat, like, raw eggs and, like, snakes and stuff. They don't cook their food. In this particular world, the humans don't have lotion either. They do. May has lotion. She she has a whole skincare routine. She's not sharing it with the people in the bunker.
00:56:16
Speaker
You know what I'm saying? like She's being selfish. She's selfish. Those people, whoever they call up at the end that are in that like lab, everybody sitting around with their computers, they have lotion. They take showers. I could take a shower.
00:56:31
Speaker
Not with the apes you can't. this They'll tell you go stand in the river and you gotta hope. I took showers and buckets. Yeah, but like you gotta hope they didn't shit in the river. They're going to shit in the river. are humans Tell you to watch yourself in the river and make you eat fish that they caught out the river raw. You don't get to cook the fish. People literally stick food up their ass and then give it to someone and at a restaurant. I mean, it's, it's,
00:57:01
Speaker
what restaurant please what I mean hypothetically speaking you know that could happen don't say that it man this is what restaurant what restaurant I'm just he I'm just telling you what would they serve I mean you'd be surprised man I don't want to live with the apes I don't want to eat fish I love salmon I don't want to eat fish out of the river i want to go to bro I would choose apes. So like, yeah, no, like to me, I see Enrique and I'm i'm team ape. But also like Julia, you make a lot of good points, especially about like the food and stuff. I'll i'll stick where there's deodorant and chicken nuggets. Like I'm i'm good. on Yeah, but also like there is that there is that stuff doesn't exist in this world though. Yeah, they don't have chicken nuggets.
00:57:55
Speaker
May does, wherever she came from and those other people, they showed humans with computers. You think May's breaking bread with you? Not May, but the people with the computer. You think they're breaking bread with you? They're at a higher status. They're nerds. Nerds rule. They're at a higher status. I know how to do it. Julia drools. That's the thing. It's It's, that's also the nastiness that you got to think about with you. I mean, the same thing, but I'm assuming there's also hierarchy with apes too. Like you have elders. We literally saw it. Yeah. Like you have to respect the old people because they know, but it's like, that's the same thing with humans. It's just, I don't know. I feel I would learn more from an ape than I would from a human. Let's, let's move on guys. Who needs to see this movie?
Audience Recommendation and Franchise Discussion
00:58:46
Speaker
If you're like a big Planet of the Apes guy, if you're like a Caesarhead... We call them a salad. I was so hungry though. This movie was so fucking boring. And every time they said Caesar, I just wanted a salad so bad. I was bored to death just thinking about like anchovies and croutons. What was... What did he call it? The Guild of Caesar or the...
00:59:16
Speaker
There's like the fathers of Caesar guilt. Yeah, the they need to watch this movie.
00:59:25
Speaker
That orangutan needs to watch this movie. If your dad is like 80 years old and loved the old Planet of the Apes, treat him and bring him to a nice movie at like 10am on a Sunday. a they They'll hate this one, I think. Probably, but it's okay. It's bonding. Yeah, it's bonding.
00:59:45
Speaker
you gotta to butter him up, take him to the diner, get him a black coffee and like, dippy eggs or whatever. So some cream of wheat, whatever the elderly like to eat, and then take him to a nice movie. Don't tell him the price because they'll complain about it back in their day movies or were a quarter. the Did any of you um see the Power Ranger movie, the one from the 90s? Yes.
01:00:15
Speaker
i don't know Okay, well, it's not important. It's just, it's funny. And I don't know if you guys will find it funny. In the Power Ranger movie, Ivan Ust turns like birds or crows into like human crows. And it's just people in costumes with their arms are the, other so they make weird things. That, that crow, like that crow from from the Power Ranger movie is what,
01:00:46
Speaker
The old Planet of the Apes movies. Oh, yeah. I've i've seen like the Tim Burton point of the Apes and it's so bad. Like, yeah, I've seen that. Yeah. Like these crows from the Power Ranger movie. They look better than the old Planet of the Apes. Are basically like that, guys. We've got two more to go in this series. I'm so confused because I thought this was like the third one. Didn't they already have two other ones in this? They have a trilogy already.
01:01:14
Speaker
So is this a new trilogy new trilogy, same universe? Yeah, it was like, um, here it is. 11, 14, 17. What was the trilogy? That was the, that was the Caesar saga. So this is like, um, that was episode four, five, and six. This would be seven, eight, nine. And then like 15, now they're gonna.
01:01:41
Speaker
Make episode one. This is literally the equivalent of people in the 90s that brought their dad to see star wars And they're like dad they made a new star wars and he's like back in my day We loved star wars and then they bring him and fucking jar jar binks and he's like what the fuck I love the prequels. They're great. They're so great No one can me All right. um um let Let's do everyone in one sentence or to summarize your feelings on this. And that could be a good screen cap on this movie. Yeah. In one sentence, if I were to describe this movie in one sentence, it would be your feelings on it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My, my feelings. Sorry. If I would describe my feelings on this movie, it would be an incredibly
01:02:39
Speaker
horrible movie with incredibly gorgeous visuals. I just remembered this just now and I didn't tell you guys this but I genuinely genuinely thought about walking out and I was wondering like how mad you guys would be if I left. Julia we wouldn't be mad. Only because my friend texted me and asked me to go to the bar and I, the only reason I didn't leave is because I didn't want to go to the bar because I checked how much time was left of the movie. I was like, well, I'm at the movies, but this movie's fucking two and a half hours long, which it didn't need to be. I genuinely thought about walking out of the theater and going to Dom's.
01:03:25
Speaker
but I stayed because I just didn't feel like going to Dom's that night. I wouldn't have been mad. I didn't care to go to the bar. I was like, I don't need to spend money. I would have asked if everything's okay. You would have just said this movie's boring. I'm going so boring. I was genuinely considering, like I checked what time it is and I was like, I can't go to the bar after this. So if I go, I have to leave now. I was gonna walk out and then just text you like, hey, everything's fine. I just didn't feel like finishing a movie.
01:03:52
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, at most, I think I just would have been like, is everything OK? Like, you just walked up and left. Like, is everything fine? But if you would have said, nah, this movie fucking sucks. I'm out of here. I'd have been like, oh, that's intriguing. I'm waiting. so ah There will be a day that one of us walks out. I've done that once in my entire life when I was eight years old. I have never walked away from a movie. Same.
01:04:21
Speaker
When I was eight years old, my grandmother took me to the movies. It was just me and her. We went to see Open Water. And I was so bored. I kept begging her and begging her to leave. And finally, we left. Interesting. In my defense, i was that is like a very slow movie. And I was eight years old. I would not take an eight-year-old to see that. I wish. i And nowadays, I just joke more about it. But watching Asteroid City, I was like, i can fall if I didn't snore, I would have just taken a nap. and Don't. Man, the Asteroid City was good. I'm just saying, like i would have I would have taken a nap. But yeah, anyway, that's that sums up how I felt about this movie. It was so fucking boring that I just, I didn't care. You debated if going to the bar
01:05:14
Speaker
was worth the effort. I literally only stayed because I had nothing better to do. If I felt like going to the bar, I would have went, but I didn't. Interesting.
Ranking Ape-Themed Movies
01:05:26
Speaker
Yeah, I was going to say we should rank the eight movies real quick. We've seen a lot of them. This year? Yeah.
01:05:35
Speaker
I feel like Sasquatch Sunset gets looped in with them. Yeah, Sasquatch Sunset, Planet of the Apes, and Kong vs Godzilla. Kong Godzilla. So I hated all of these, but I'm going to go with number one solely because they used like all practical effects and all costumes and makeup. I'm going to say Sasquatch Sunset, then Planet of the Apes, then Godzilla versus Kong if I'm going movies I enjoyed it would be calm and Then I don't care which of the two what i didn't care for any of them
01:06:16
Speaker
i I would say there's there was a level of artistry that wasn't prepped. Like Sasquatch Sunset, I really liked because there's a level of artistry. but all like we don't need I don't need to see another ape or monkey for the the remainder of the year. I'm going to the zoo probably twice this summer and I'm just going to stay away from the primates. I'm done with so I love I love um Anything that's to do with primates how lucky All right, you you want to go see Kingdom the Planet of the Apes I Don't give a fuck I watch it again. I mean I won't go out of my way, but if someone's like, please I I My dying wish is to go see Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes. I'd be like sure. Yeah, I'll go with you. I
01:07:15
Speaker
But now if I were to, obviously if I'm ranking them by like the ape themselves, and it's obviously kingdom of the planet of the apes, that's the hands down number one. And then the other two, well, probably do sunset. And then um if we're if if I'm just ranking the apes themselves, like just the apes, it's planet of the apes, hands down, the fucking apes were phenomenal.
01:07:42
Speaker
then Sasquatch and then King Kong. But if I'm ranking the movies, probably, probably Kong. But see, Kong had supporting cast, so that's not even fair. Anyways, doesn't matter.
01:08:02
Speaker
All right. Let's get the hell out of here. Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully, hopefully we are done with that. Maybe like we've, you know, no, just they we're done. We're done. We're over.