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Paranormal 101
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The year is 2024. The crew is experiencing some cold spots and they're not sure if it's paranormal, or if Enrique has the window open.
Have you seen Terrifier 3? Did you have trouble with the opening scene? Would you go on a date to see Terrifier 3? Have you ever had a paranormal experience? Do you believe in ghost? Did you know some of the lore behind ghost stories? If you died in the plague, would you eat bread and water or pepperoni pizza as a ghost? What are your thoughts about residual hauntings? Are you a skeptic or non-believer? Have you seen any ghost hunting shows? Why does Julia hate Ghost Adventures so much?
Thank you for listening! Enjoy!
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Introduction to Paranormal Topics
00:00:00
Speaker
All right, let's go, Pat. Cool. Another upset of what we saw last night. South Jersey and Philadelphia's preeminent paranormal podcast. Let's get right into it. We normally do a warm up question, but um we're not going to do that today because we have a lot to cover.
Terrifier 3: A Boring Success?
00:00:15
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First, you guys saw Terrifier 3. That's like the hot button movie. Give us a quick review of it and what you thought. I thought it was really boring to be completely honest,
00:00:28
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I'm really happy for the creators though and like everything that they've accomplished. And I do agree that it's deserving of winning certain awards. It's just really not for me. And I just found myself being bored during it, but I still went to see it and I would like to support the creators.
Terrifier vs. Evil Dead: A Series Evolution
00:00:48
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I like that one, Soul Terrifier 1 was kind of just pointless action or like pointless horror, not pointless, like stupid, but like there was no story behind it. And then briefly they introduced one and two. And then I liked that three, they're continuing the story. And for some reason, the ending of Terrifier 3 reminds me of the ending of Evil Dead 2.
00:01:22
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where I think Terrifier 4, when it comes out, because it's inevitably going to come out. I hope it's not like Army of Darkness, but I like that there's a story, kind of how Evil Dead 2 ends off, you know, with like the following story coming up. Like I like that Terrifier ended that way.
00:01:52
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good for the creators because they, I read an article that said that they are probably bringing the old school slashers back.
Impact of Child Deaths in Horror Films
00:02:04
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They might be bringing like the, any school slashers, but. Yeah, I i think what they've done for cinema is very important and should be acknowledged. I don't care about movies, but that doesn't matter.
00:02:19
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i agree I think, yeah. Like, I had a lot of fun watching it. This is, this was good. I liked Terrifier 2 a little bit more, not saying it, but this is also a a Christmas movie. And I feel like because of that, like he he was, theres they tried to do a little too much. I do like what they're doing. I support them fully. I'm excited.
Violence in Movies: Public Reactions and Ethics
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Damon Leon said he's got two films left in the art, The Clown, like,
00:02:48
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thing he said like after that he's fine with passing it off to someone else but he's gonna say like it will have run its course through him hey I like it I like it a lot I liked the the kill scenes I thought they were fun and they were good I hate the online discourse like there's a lot of haters on it um Online talking about like they shouldn't have killed children when like they act like this is the first movie to kill children yeah I do have some thoughts on that because I understand I Understand the concern of that. I think the way they handled it was very appropriate because you never see him die right cuz I know someone personally who it normally is very upset by that and they have children and they're like a big horror movie person and
00:03:36
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they normally cannot watch anything like that. That's just their personal. And they ended up being fine with it because even you see the child's body later on and you are mentally able to separate it and just say like, basically it was very obvious to me watching that the kids that were the child actors have no clue cause they were not anywhere remotely near something that was happening. Part of me is like,
00:04:05
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I'd question why it was necessary. Part of me, I think it's okay, obviously, to show child death in films, but part of me is like i I don't really want it in like a comedy and I consider Terrifier comedy. This one was more comedic. But i was I was happy with the way it was done. If it were done differently, I think I would have been upset like if you saw it. I don't know how much you feel about the kids dying. I mean dont i couldn't care less because what's the difference between like a child and like, uh, adult a doll or like, or, or like a senior and like, uh, what was it Halloween? But the 2018 Halloween, he kills the old couple, you know, like, what's the difference between like an old couple or a couple of children? You know, it's like, at the end of the day, it's still like death is death kind of thing. But I, I,
00:05:01
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I don't know how I stand on it. And I know people are funny and some people, you know, whatever, but, um, what, however you view it, I think that risk they took, I appreciate.
Cultural Perspectives on Film Violence
00:05:16
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Like we're going to add this and we might get a lot of shit for it, but let's see, let' let's test the water kind of thing.
00:05:23
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Well, Unified, you know, everyone in the cast fully supported the child death scenes. They posted a lot of photos of the cast hanging out with the kids and laughing with the kids. And that clearly, like Julia said, didn't know that what happened on scene. I thought they handled it really well. If you want to watch a scene where a kid gets killed and and it's way more graphic, watch Dr. Sleep.
00:05:51
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um They hold down and torture, they hold down and torture a kid and he's screaming and they're sucking the life force out of him. Yeah, someone I know actually like literally brought up that exact same scene and they're like, that is way more traumatizing. like That is so um like upsetting to watch in Dr. Sleep. Yeah. but like And there's other ones that...
00:06:15
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you know, that there's other films where kids die. and And I mean, there's dramas where kids get murdered, you know, and stuff like that. And and it's like, where where's the difference between like, that's what I'm saying. Part of me almost thinks it's more acceptable in a drama yeah it culturally it is. Yeah. For like, from like a psychological standpoint, like, but also if you didn't see it, if you're watching this movie and you didn't see it coming, then You know, I mean, it was obvious that the kids were
Predictability and Practical Effects in 'Terrifier 3'
00:06:47
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going to die. Yeah, I think I knew going because the opening scene, we know from experience that everyone in a Terrifier movie dies pretty much or like the first characters you see on screen will die. They're like random extra people that aren't the main cast, but you know, OK, we're about to see the first kill. So immediately I see there's two kids in the house. I instantly knew that they were going to die.
00:07:09
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but they did a great job not showing it. I mean, you knew it was a kid getting killed, but the level, nothing, you don't see nothing. I love the level of detail. Cause, um, you see him take ah her stuffed animals and then you, when, when it's like he's in the mall, he's handing her stuffed animals out. Oh, I didn't notice. it Yeah. I fucking love that. Oh yeah. And then there's the bomb that goes off in the mall that kills kids and you don't see. Yeah. But then,
00:07:38
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We're, we're, we're culturally fine with bombing children and shooting children. Honestly, that's what you get for taking your kids to see Santa Claus. I'll be 100% honest with you this whole time. I thought that's the scene you were talking about. ah forgot that i mentioned it I forgot that. he Anyways, so yeah yeah. Um, but I want to just point out that it did make 30 million opening like week. Um, it beat out every,
00:08:09
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It's in 2,000 less theaters than Joker is right now. And it's beating out Joker, so that's cool. you know say Isn't it like the number one movie right now? Yes, it's the number one movie. that's probably It's probably going to lose that because Smile 2 comes out tomorrow today, actually, today and tomorrow. um So it will probably lose out. But still, this is an unrated indie horror film with heavy practical effects.
00:08:35
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yeah and shout out to the practical effect team because they do a great job with these movies here's the thing too about terrifier three is it's not i was telling joy it's not as it wasn't as gory as i like to a super i agree i think i think terrifier three there's tons of blood but I feel like there weren't as much like guts and gore, if that makes sense. There's a lot of liquid. there was There's not ah as much like fleshy, gross, like- You were there too. Well, I was gonna say Terrifier 2 genuinely made me feel sick. Some of the scenes were like- And we discussed before- Like four really grossed me out and like made me feel sick. This I had zero problem because it was only blood.
00:09:22
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Before we went to go see it, we did discuss like, should we eat? Should we take snacks? What snacks was going to make our stomach settle? Cause I just assumed it was like disgusting and gory and gross. And it turned out it wasn't any of those. It was, it was a lot, but it wasn't more than two. Well, it was, it was gory and and gross, but like it wasn't like, I thought it would get worse. Yeah. Yeah. And like, like we,
00:09:49
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I just want to point
Audience Reactions and Parental Responsibility in Horror
00:09:50
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it out there. like For the people that complained, it's OK to not be OK with the love of blood. you know what we we We, I think, enjoy movies and see movies and watch more horror than most people. So like when we watched it, we're like, yeah, it just wasn't that bad. But in my theater that I went to, the person next to me did not like the amount of blood and violence. They were kind of hoodwinked into going to it. And also, there was a kid in my theater that cried after the first scene and had to be removed. I just think if I'm being honest, like at this point, historically, every Terrifier movie has gotten worse except this one. And in my opinion, this was way less gross than two. So if you don't do your research going in, that's your fault. But I'm 100% on board if people don't want to see it. If we didn't do this podcast, I probably wouldn't have watched it or I don't know if I would have seen it because I just don't care for these movies, but I wanted to do it.
00:10:49
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for like research. But yeah, i don't I don't really have sympathy for people who like don't like if you have triggers or if you're upset by certain things, you should look into it. I don't always do that because I'll just be brave about it. And I know that I'll be okay. But if there's something that's upsetting me to that level, I would probably look into it first.
00:11:13
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Yeah. And like for me, it's like the the parent was the bad, whoever the guardian adult was that brought the kid into my theater. They are held responsible. I don't blame a kid that was like eight years old, eight year old max. Yeah. Also, honestly, like if you bring like your friend who doesn't know, or if you bring a kid to this, you are an asshole. Cause like, yeah you know better. Like I'm not bringing my mom to see this movie. I'm not bringing.
00:11:41
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like my more sensitive friends to see this movie. I'm not a jerk like. Yeah. Yeah. I agree 100%. Yeah, that that kid thing really upset me. Just because like, I saw I heard that the ticket guy was trying to warn like the Guardian like, be like, Hey, you're seeing terrified. Like legally, I have to let you you're an 18 year old you're over 18, you're a guardian, you're supervising this kid. But that apparently the ticket guy was like saying like, you shouldn't be taking your kid into this movie. And the fact that the kid had to be removed um by security, because like the kid was crying and freaking out. And um that's childut yeah, like the usher had to come in and like, was like, Hey, like you got to get out of here.
00:12:34
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I think anytime you force a child to watch something that they think is scary, that's child abuse. Yeah. That was just upsetting the whole like that. That was like just like just stupid. The person who brought that is stupid. I hope they paid full price and they didn't get a refund. so I hope they fell down and scraped their knee today. Yeah. I hope they skin their knee and fall in a pile of salt, that person. Just terrible.
00:13:03
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I hope that like really bad things happen to them because they're a child user. Yeah, fortunately kids are like that's kind of... Yeah, really dumb. Hated that. Other than that,
Commercial Success Despite Controversy
00:13:16
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enjoyed it. um If people saw it, let us know what you think. quick and This is just like a curiosity thing. What if it was flip-flop? What if... in a month trying to, for the person, for the presidentman took the kid. But um what if it's flip-flop? What if it's a kid or a parent? I can see that happening. like one of the things done And like the the kid sitting next to me, next to me, I think there was like a teenage boy and his mom. And he looked, but I didn't look, look, but I assume he was pretty young. He could have been,
00:13:53
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genuinely anywhere between 15 and 25 I really wasn't paying attention because his mom was the one sitting next to me and she was like I don't know 40 50 who knows but I assumed that he dragged her and she looked like a little bit like she was kind of hiding her eyes during some scenes but she was like super brave about it like for Like most people's moms that I know would not have sat through that movie. They would have walked out, but she was pretty brave about it. Oh, her son wanted to go. Maybe he's not 17. So she needed to go with him. who I don't know what this is rated, but it's an unrated film. I was going to say it probably, you, I don't think under 17 is admitted. So yeah, I definitely got the vibe that like she had to bring them, but she didn't even seem that grossed out. If that.
00:14:43
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puts it in perspective, like it wasn't that bad. Yeah, if if if you knew about the movie, it's not that bad. And if you watch hard, like regularly, it's not that bad. But if you are like going on a first date, ah yeah, do not go on a first date, because you will probably won't get a second date.
00:15:06
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Unless you want to use that as a litmus test, if that's something that's important to you you. If for whatever strange reason you need to watch that type of film. Go by yourself. You got to make sure they're about it. There's a door test though. I mean, there's a lot of other ones. Yeah, no, I agree. um Any final thoughts on Terrifier 3? If you watched 1 and 2,
00:15:38
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go watch three if you've never seen any of them go watch one two and three go watch one and two but you can still see three first and then two would just answer like why is this girl so important and then two would two would answer that man i have never heard like no go see watch if i feel like you should at least watch two first i I think it depends on if you are easily grossed out. To me, two is by far the worst. So if that's something that genuinely really, really bothers you and you are, if you're on the fence about it, don't watch two until you've watched all the other ones and build up to it. If you're brave and you think that you'll be fine, then go ahead and watch them in release order.
00:16:30
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I think you should do three, if you've never seen them and you're a little queasy, um you should do three, one, two to build up for, I feel like you gotta watch three and one to build up for two. All right, I kind of agree with that. Yeah, let's move on. Oh, also, if if you haven't seen it, watch All Hollows Eve.
Paranormal vs. Supernatural: Definitions and History
00:16:53
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That is, um yeah, that's the that's the thing that burst, art the clown,
00:16:58
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um Let's move on. So we want to talk about paranormal paranormal and ghost stories because that's what we do. um Outside of movies, we do love this stuff. We love um talking about paranormal stuff. We love ghosts and of all things kind of like in the genre. It's a lot of fun for us. So let's do a quick like rundown of the hissome history of ghost stories. Let's talk about um
00:17:30
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paranormal things. First, we'll get into the actual definition of paranormal for those that don't know. Is it adjective? This is according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary. It's the only dictionary that I honor. But if someone wants to look up another definition from another dictionary, fine. It's an adjective that means not scientifically explainable. So when we say paranormal, we mean something that is not scientifically explainable, something that there's met with a lot of gray area any event or situation outside of the scope of modern scientific reasoning such as UFO sightings ghosts and other curiosities is the definition i found do you want the urban dictionary definition yeah yeah yeah i do actually it's not funny how
00:18:24
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It just says anything unexplainable by science, anything supposedly thought to be the figment of imagination, which cannot be proved by scientific means. Extraterrestrials and ghosts fit into this category. There is no proof that either do not exist. If you have ever seen anything that you can't explain scientifically, then that is paranormal by definition. And not to be confused with supernatural.
00:18:52
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Yeah, so what's what's the difference between paranormal and supernatural? I would like to know. Supernatural? Supernatural is not natural. Well, for juveniles or entities that are beyond the laws of nature, it's usually folklore, religious, um and usually has to do with like superstitions. It's more so where supernatural falls into. Okay, because when I think supernatural, I kind of tend to think more like religious and l I think of like demon movies, the yeah not haunted house movies, specifically demon. And i there is a ton of crossover, like haunted house, it's almost always demons. But I think like paranormal activity, I'm like, okay, that's some supernatural shit going on. There's witches, there's possession. It's like you can have supernatural with paranormal, but it's like- Would you agree that
00:19:49
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All supernatural situations are paranormal, but not all paranormal situations are supernatural. Yeah, yeah, that's a fair. and So here's a fun fact. um Paranormal, the word, became popular to use in the 1920s. And it it really got popular from the 40s on. So before the 1920s, to explain these phenomena, to explain things, it was they were not using the term paranormal I find that super interesting. Um, when, when words, I looked up the entomology of it and yeah. So let's go down, um, and regale on the, on the guideline point history of paranormal experiences, stories, ghost stories over the years. So let's do some ghost story evolution. Um, one of the first ghost stories attributed was from Pliny the Younger, which like, this isn't totally true, but a lot of sources do point into Pliny the Younger.
00:20:50
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in the first century AD. The ancient Greeks in the Roman Empire had ghost stories. There's a lot of ghosts in Roman writings, but they're never menacing. um They show up and they never cause any harm. Ghosts get menacing more in the 18th century. So also like every culture has ghost stories and spirit stories. They go back from, you know, even though a lot of people attribute piney, the younger ghost stories kind of go back further.
Ancient and Medieval Ghost Stories
00:21:22
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And I did some research and I kind of found a few examples. If um anyone wants to try reading. Yeah. Um, do you talk about the links? Yeah. Yeah. The link. It's the, uh, ancient, uh, spooky stories from antiquity. Okay.
00:21:39
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I'm going to add a quick note though, because you were mentioning about like the you know how it came like the the Roman scriptures and writings and stuff. And I was i was looking up the i was looking up like some of the history of like Halloween and some of the history of Day of the Dead and different folklore and stuff like that. And I came across something, and I didn't write it down, but I just, it it just popped in my head of how La Llorona, the story, like there's like similar stories in like Aztec writings of that story. So like, it was interesting because, I mean, it's fair to say that's a ghost story, I guess we'll call it. And, you know, it dates back to like, you know,
00:22:34
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the Aztec times and beyond, which is which is interesting, um I think. In times when science really wasn't a thing, you know these things were as close to real as possible. And you know as things evolve,
00:22:53
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You know, kind of things kind of you tweak things to kind of keep keep them as real as you can without science button in. But I'll read this off. So as with many spectacles and traditions of the modern age.
00:23:08
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Much of which we celebrate and experience today derives from the myths and the history of the classical world. Thousands of years before pumpkins appeared on the street, before spiders adorned front gardens, and before Freaky Friday hit our screens. Great movie, by the way. The ancient Romans had their own spine-chilling entertainment, ghost stories. Tales of encounters with the dead had long been abundant in ancient literature. ah oh this I can never pronounce this word, please say it for me. o this o this Odysseus? Odysseus? I'm not looking at that word. I can never pronounce that word. Now I lost where I was at. God damn it. Odysseus meeting with... Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Alpinorn and others in book 11 of the Odyssey was a direct influence on book sex of Virgil's... I think this is
00:24:01
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So I don't know why you were reading the top. um and yeah So that's just like a little precursor. there The examples are like, if you scroll down and be like the afterlife, that's one. um There's one the tale of anthedors by Pliny the Elder. OK, so the afterlife. In ancient Roman culture, there was popular belief in life and death that the soul continued after death. According to Kumar, Romans believed that the death that in death the soul became a shade which took on the likeness of a person who
00:24:37
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um who had belonged to in life. Others speculate that the soul survives and lives, oh, and lives on after death, such as an epitaph on the tomb of a happy man. It is indicated that death is not an end, but rather a change in one state of being. In the ancient Roman afterlife, there was believed to have existed three realms. The Elysian fields were one where one would go if they died a warrior in battle, playing- Just like in gladiator. Right, right, right, right. Perfect example.
00:25:14
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um Asphodel, not sure what that is. If one died a good person and the dreaded Tartarus, where one would go if they had been a bad person or would remain until the atonement of their sins. One modern depiction of Hades.
00:25:36
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They put ah when I went into an afterlife cones were placed in the mouths of the dead as payments um To the sharing of the ferryman to take the soul across the river sticks upon reaching The other side of the river you were greeted by three by the three-headed hound sir baris Sir rebus. Sorry service you were right? Yeah, okay did not laugh at me. then you would stand Then you would stand before three judges who listened to the tale of your life and judge which realm you should be allocated. So basically they just judged you, which is what everybody does. Once the judges had decided that dad was given a cup of water from the river leaf, the river of forgiveness, if I pronounce anything wrong, I don't care,
00:26:25
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which made you forget your previous life. Overall, souls were not expected to return to earth, but sometimes did for a few different reasons. Kumansis presents the Roman underworld as very closely aligned to the Greek model and many Roman authors, including Cicero and Lucretius, reinforce this by referring to and reusing type typological symbols of the world of the dead, like the river.
00:26:53
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What is this a Charon maybe um in the stesian pool I'm sure I've heard all these things both ways. But yeah, yeah, so like we you see like those ghost stories how they kind of evolved um and and We're just yeah also used for so our entertainment kind of like just like today, which I guess is good to know and
00:27:22
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And it's like your, it's how you would, they're they're they're maybe not told necessarily to scare you, but they're told to scare you, if that makes sense. Like be a good person. And if you're not a good person, this is what happens to you. And if you get a lot of, it feels like a lot of stuff kind of fits into that. Yeah. And we're going to see a lot of that, um,
00:27:51
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But as we went move on to the medieval era, they had a lot of ghost stories. People interacted with more dead bodies in the medieval era, mainly because of the plague and other diseases more than any other time period. So a lot of precautionary tales kind of arrived from that as well.
00:28:14
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This one has more coherent ah ghost stories, like an actual like story. ah There's one called It's a Capitated Saint and a Talking Head. A Forgotten Saint haunts a blacksmith's dream. ah So a lot of it is like also biblical. ah So it's like someone from the Bible or like a saint or a priest that has died is going to like not necessarily haunt you, but come from back from the dead to either help you out or harm you. So are ghosts real? Like what's the verdict here? um I mean, these people are recording them as real. yeah There's a lot of reports of like ghosts interacting with people. These are times where you had to the thing is you got to get these ideas somewhere.
00:29:10
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And normally you get it from the person who told you the story and they got it from the person who told them the story. And they got it from the person who told them the story. My opinion is always there's gotta be some kind of something that happened that made somebody initially tell that first story, you know? There was one I read about dead bakers throwing rocks at villagers. Um, it was like this Baker,
00:29:40
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was like mistreated during life and and they they buried his body and then he came back from the grave and he threw rocks at the villagers who mistreated him and then they like tried weighing down his dead body with like rocks and bricks and he arose from the dead again and threw rocks at the villagers who mistreated him. So the moral of the story being don't mistreat your baker. Oh, that guy just wasn't dead.
Cultural Reflections in Ghost Stories
00:30:10
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okay That's what you think. It was like four o'clock on a Friday. They were like, listen, the hole is deep enough and they just put some loose top soil on top of them. He just climbed right back out and was like, these fuckers, I'm going to get them. I wouldn't even dead. I don't know, man. You're acting a little skeptical right now. Yeah. Um, in there, I got a pretty cool quote from Susan Owens.
00:30:41
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She wrote in her book, and her book um The Ghost, A Cultural History, and she states that ghosts are mirrors of the cultures they haunt. They reflect our preoccupations moving with the tide of cultural trends and matching the mood of the e of each age. So if you're from a certain era, you're going to like embody that, but you're also going to like I don't know, like, I don't really embody and reflect the though each age that you come from. Well, that makes sense because like, and we'll get into it later, but like a lot of the theories are, you know, you you like in like residual hauntings, you just kind of do what you did. You know, you just kind of not like a loop. It's not always like a loop, but it's like you just
00:31:39
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If like you did a certain song, that's just what you did. Like, that's all you know. So like if you were, if you died in a plague and all you did was ate, ate bread and drank, uh, water all day, you know, if you see a ghost eating like a loaf of bread, that's probably, yeah, man, that's what they did.
00:32:02
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That's a stupid example. I am so sorry. But I'm saying... yeah so you If you die for the place, you're probably not popping up in somebody's attic eating like pepperoni pizza. Right. What you ate in your life. Right. you like you you you're well you're You're doing whatever... I your privacy see what you're saying. I know some people that only believe in residual hauntings and they don't think there's any intelligent hauntings. And I think that's...
00:32:32
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an interesting theory that I might lean towards where it's it's basically just like a tape replaying and it's almost more of like a multi-dimensional thing you're just getting a glimpse into like another period of time in the same location but like you can't communicate with that ghost you can't ask them questions they're not conscious of you they're just living their life mm-hmm yeah and I totally agree with that and we'll get into like residual hauntings as we like trek on our way as like the evolution of ghosts. So like in the enlightenment era, that's like Shakespearean works. Ghost stories become incredibly prevalent and we start seeing them get into like live entertainment more um as they become a vital work of plays. So I think that's like super interesting um about like, this is like, it's it's still like entertainment based, but it's also becoming live entertainment.
00:33:30
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So like you could say like the first like horror would probably stem from, at least like the first popular horror would stem from the Enlightenment error. And that's interesting. Yeah. Victorian error. You start to see a lot of this a lot of similar. um It does get a lot more feminine in the Victorian error.
00:33:54
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Many ghost story writers explored, even embraced specific efforts of modernity, and the ghost story flourished as historical and scientific movements progressed. It goes into, say, this like article I found about technological progress. So like ghost stories, a lot like horror movies today, try to be relevant, try to but also like gap you to the past.
00:34:25
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It also goes on to say that for women writers, the ghost story is a tale of increasing visibility and opportunity in a cult. For some reason in the Victorian era, there was a lot of women writers i'm hopping on that. Because there's nothing scarier than being a woman. Yeah. And all you can do is write about ghosts. Yeah.
00:34:48
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So that's interesting. we We see like the ghost transform over time. And and it's not really till like the Enlightenment era and the Victorian era that ghosts get like vengeful and aggressive and potentially harmful throughout the all the other time ghost stories, whether they're like made up or claimed to be real.
00:35:16
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are just kind of like ghosts just chilling there or being like precautionary. So you don't get like a lot of like hauntings that terrify people till the Enlightenment and the Victorian era. And then that kind of goes into like more like American ghost stories of the early 1800s. You know, like this was early 1900s, late 1800s was super popular. We've read a lot of them that were published in like New Jersey newspapers on here in some of our earlier episodes.
00:35:47
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As like the nation gets older and we progress, people claim to start seeing more ghosts. Although like I would say like people have always claimed to see ghosts in like America um as like far as like we were settling it. But it becomes just more popular to tell ghost stories. A lot of them get published in books. There's a ah long history of Flaudeville ghost storytellers and psychics and I guess like there's a whole entire spiritual movement and it's like people want to get in touch with I guess themselves and maybe people have passed. I know like a lot of the earliest like a lot of early ghost stories and like horror novels all of the earliest ones were mainly written to where like in the end it's revealed like there never was a ghost and yes interesting
00:36:42
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Yeah. Like a lot are, um, I guess allegorical, like they they try to tell a story and then you, you reveal that, oh, there is no ghost. It's like the real horror was just that like women didn't have rights and they felt unsafe in the home. Yeah. Or like people were drinking too much iodine or something. Yeah. Like the vibes were off. Yeah. And like, but like, then there's like also just like a lot of report and like the, the reports.
Skepticism in Paranormal Beliefs
00:37:12
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that were like reported in newspapers they were always like well this ghost was spotted here like they weren't like again menacing even the ones that get america like the ones that claimed to be true were just like there was a ghost spotted at a bar like um that one story we read about the guy who killed himself and then like he was haunting like a bar yeah and there's a lot of The thing is a lot, and and when you, somebody like me who has always believed and still believes and thinks you guys are crazy for not believing, you know i've read I've read and listened to and have heard people say a lot of ghost stories and a lot of them are, are when you really pick it apart, they're all similar. They're all kind of the same thing.
00:38:04
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But you meant like you mentioned one about like the the one about the guy who was haunting a bar, right? Died in I was telling Julia about this story I heard on one of the radio shows, which is literally the same thing. A guy got into a car accident, was in a coma, but he didn't know. He thought he he thought he got out of the car accident, walked into the bar, bought the bar.
00:38:33
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you know, was partying with people, was going to buy, was going to pay the the the guy who let them borrow some money back. And it turns out that he was just in a coma the whole time. So, you know, there's there's a lot of that where at the end it's like, I thought,
00:38:50
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a perfect example haunting in Venice if you guys remember that movie he Thinks he's seeing things but he's like nope. I was drugged or no. I was under the influence of something or Whatever the cases and and this will lead into our next point that we're gonna bring up but you know, it's it's interesting when when a lot of things end with but it was actually this or it was probably that or whatever the case is. You know, you often got to think like, are you in a way, are people afraid to, to think like, is it, or could it possibly be something, you know, I guess it's always, but maybe not afraid. Maybe sometimes people are embarrassed. People are ashamed. Um,
00:39:48
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to kind of keep that open mind of, yeah, okay, maybe i but it's my medication and I drank, I shouldn't have, but I drank a little bit of vodka with my medication, right? Or I tossed it back with a fucking blue moon, right? It's like leaving your mind open.
00:40:10
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um Cause we're, we you know, we're, we're, we're next. If, if, if it's cool, I mentioned we're going to move into like so skeptics, you know, and, and like faking evidence. And that's, I always feel like people are either afraid or embarrassed or whatever to kind of keep that open mind, like, okay, maybe it was, you know, I might've had like a couple, a couple shots, but I can't not prove that that's not, you know, like that's not not a ghost kind of thing. Yeah. I always wonder that, you know? No, I'm definitely like i'm I'm skeptical, but the definition of skeptical is that you're thinking about it, you're skeptical. I'm not a non-believer because i that's a whole separate category. And you briefly talked about like people that fake stuff and that.
00:41:06
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pisses me off as a skeptical person. Cause I want to know, like I'm always looking at evidence wondering, like, I wonder if ghosts are real. Like, and even there's been more fakes than there has been real. Right. Cause part of me believes that ghosts are real, but like all of the evidence you see is fake. Like every video online is fake and the people that are faking those videos, it's fine if you're doing it like for fun.
00:41:34
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but if you're genuinely posting it as though it's real, like I really hope that you like leave the cabinet open in the kitchen and then like bump your head on it. yeah i believe That's messed up. No, cause here's the thing, you got people you you have people who are genuinely curious, like Julia is genuinely curious, so she doesn't really believe, but like maybe she does, but maybe she does, you know, that's like what, like she mentioned, that's kind of like what skeptical is, because it's still on your mind, but it's like, nah, that's rats, or that's the house settling, you hear that all the time, you know? But there's people like me who,
00:42:17
Speaker
you know I truly believe I genuinely have experienced a lot of things. And I just get looked at like, you're just a fucking lunatic or you know stop watching. So my mom says all the time, stop watching so many horror movies. like youre You're scared of everything, but you keep watching scary shit. you know and But it's like I genuinely believe I've experienced things and I have no way to show people or to talk about it because everything you see is fake. you know And and it's it's one of those things where that bothers me also like a whole lot. And that's why I i personally hate
00:43:04
Speaker
Anybody that's like posting a video of this might be paranormal or this might be a UFO or this we don't know what this is like I genuinely hate that because I just always assume someone is in cahoots with these people to kind of like Getcha, you know, like I'm trying to get these perfect because they know deep down inside there's people that genuinely believe you know so that that that whole like i don't mind people that are skeptic i don't even mind people that are non-believers like one hundred percent it's people that like take advantage they're like i have a great idea i'm gonna i'm gonna fake this video i'm gonna fake this photo i'm gonna manipulate this to make people think this and think that and you know that kind of stuff is what
00:44:04
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Really gets me I think we need so we really the most important thing when talking about ghosts and ghost stories and paranormal investigation is Skeptics like you need to
Methods for Skeptical Paranormal Investigation
00:44:17
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be skeptical. You can't accept it as fact. You can't accept it as whatever like you can't just like watch a video or Even have an experience and be like yep, that was it. Like no you i think everyone should be looking to debunk Yeah, I think to that point I kind of always assume people that are 100% non-believers are just like uneducated. And I kind of think like, cause you don't know, like you don't know that ghosts don't exist. Like you're, you're kind of stupid if you think you know that because like in the definition it says like, can't be disproved. Like there's no proof that ghosts don't exist. So who do you think you are? Like I always make the joke that no one's proven to me
00:45:04
Speaker
that the Ninja Turtles aren't real, you know, and it's kind of like, yeah, we've we've seen the actors who play them. Yeah, I don't know why you keep saying that. Right. But because I just said like I I, you know, I always say the joke that like, no one's no one's proven to me. And and it's like the joke supposed to be no one's went into the sewers and fucking, you know, whatever, whatever. But the thing is, that's the same thing with with ghosts, like no one's ever proven to me that they're not real.
00:45:34
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And not just me, but like anybody, you know, no one's ever, if anything, there's, you know, shows and there's this and there's that and there's like different media and different literature that maybe don't prove necessarily because you can still kind of be like, nah, that's not, that's not, but there's more proof of it maybe being real than there is of it maybe not being real.
00:46:01
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you know And don't get me wrong, like i'm I'm skeptical with, I'm not skeptical with the topic. I 100% believe, I'm skeptical with other people telling me because I just always assume you're fucking with me. like you're just you You're just trying to laugh at me kind of things with like videos and and whatever it is. I'm like, you're just fucking with me. But I'm skeptical.
00:46:29
Speaker
Like I'm skeptical in that in that sense, but I'm not in like the the topic in general, like I'm 100% a believer. Julia, here's my question to you. I think it's pretty important. Um, so let's say someone hands you a photo or it comes to you and says like, my place is haunted. How do you approach it skeptically, like respectfully and skeptically at the same time?
00:46:58
Speaker
I just, I want to know what their experience is, why they think that. um Can you think of like common red flags that kind of lead towards a person like? Oh, so like in this, situation I'm assuming they're lying, not that they... Well, just like you're going to look at it. What are you looking for? That's like, like, ah I don't believe this fucker.
00:47:24
Speaker
Yeah, because I'm saying in this scenario, I think it's most likely that they believe it's real, but the it but it's just not. um Like, I'm assuming like, they're like, Oh, I hear noises. I hear I feel like a cold, like draft or I don't know. It's like they live in like a new build. Or they've lived in the same house 30 years and like nothing has ever happened before until like last week when they moved their sketchy friend Larry in and let him sleep on the couch. Or they bought the mirror from the flea market kind of thing. Yeah, I just, it's it's hard to say like, what is what do I think is concrete evidence and what's not. But like, I, I'm always looking to hear something different. Because I i guess what I'm saying is, you always hear the same stuff over and over and over again. And I'm like, is there anything new here?
00:48:21
Speaker
Have you seen an apparition? Have you heard like a voice and not just knocks on the wall? like how How trustworthy is this person in general? What do other aspects of their life look like? um Do they use substances? Do they have health problems? Stuff like that. And this they're all fair these are all fair examples of you know question i mean I have the same thing sometimes. I just ah just recently followed a page on Facebook, ah paranormal, because of this ah topic we were talking about. The algorithm caught me and was like, hey, do you want to join this page? And I'm like, yeah, sure, let me see what kind of goofy shit is on here, right? Because 99% of it is just people being fucking stupid.
00:49:08
Speaker
But then it's like sometimes you'll hear someone or you see someone talking and you know, like you see it and you're like, no, it's this, it's this, or it's that, especially me, which, um, I can admit when something just clearly is not real. But a lot of times, even though I'm like, no, it's just like, the that's just how cameras work. And, you know, and, and, and I can break down to you how like,
00:49:36
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how like photography works, but they genuinely believe it's like their grandmother or their sister who passed away or their cat who fucking died last week. you know And a lot of times you just kind of got to let them be.
00:49:55
Speaker
you know I was going to say, you kind of just reminded me, one thing that I 100% of the time don't believe in, and this instantly takes me out, Orbs. I just don't believe in orbs. Any orb photographs that you have it immediately discredits you, in my opinion, because they're always dust or bugs. I've never in my life... Well, that's not true. The the thing is, I think that orbs can be real and and a sign of the paranormal. I truly do. But every time I see people post orbs, it's always dust. That orb...
00:50:32
Speaker
There are certain places where like, because of it, like if you're at like a bog, like there's certain gases in like the water and the air that form an orb. Like I, so I've actually caught orbs in photographs that I can't explain and that I truly believe are paranormal. But I think again, it just goes back to like, it's so rare. Like I think that the paranormal can be real, but just,
00:51:01
Speaker
all of this evidence you see out here is bullshit. And like, i I join those Facebook groups a lot of the time. And then after like a week, I end up leaving because it's just like, everybody and their mother is just posting orbs or like spider webs caught on camera. And it's like, lady, that's that's a bug crawling across your ring camera. And they're like, no, I don't think so. And it's just,
00:51:30
Speaker
Yeah, thiss the there's sometimes when it's just like, okay, yeah, I get it. But then, you know, there's, and and I agree with Orbs. Orbs is a tricky thing because I don't always, um even like whenever I see, there's there's ah there's a few shows that I like want to say are the closest thing to not being people, just being fucking assholes.
00:51:57
Speaker
ah But it's always orbs, orbs, orbs, you know, it's like, I don't really, you know, I have a hard time with the orbs. But I will say, when people find different things in photos they took or videos, most times if if if they're genuine, like I do kind of, I try to keep an open mind, because I'm like, that's clearly not your dog.
00:52:27
Speaker
that died, but maybe it's something, you know or maybe it is your fucking dog. I don't know. you know Nine times out of 10, it's probably just light reflecting off of this, reflecting off of that, catching the shutter at at a certain time, but maybe it is a dog. you know like so like That's what I mean.
00:52:51
Speaker
Right, right, right, right. But I'm saying, like that i me personally, if if someone's like genuinely, like this has like when they're not being like a fucking dickhead, I know that's not your dog. I know that's not your like dead relative putting their arm around you or something like that. But I leave that 10% open because I also, one, I will not be a dickhead because like I said, I genuinely believe, but two, I wasn't there. So I can give you all these like science things, but I wasn't there. So I could be wrong. You know, not necessarily that it's not, you know, what I'm saying, but like I could be wrong. So.
00:53:44
Speaker
You know, that's that. I don't think any orbs are ever real. Like they're not spirits. Yeah, that's, i I think at the bare minimum, one, they're probably not paranormal at all, but I think they can be paranormal. If they are paranormal, it's not a spirit. If that makes sense. It's some kind of energy manifesting, but it's not a ghost in that little ball of light reflecting. Like that's not a ghost.
00:54:13
Speaker
There's not like the soul of a little Victorian boy trapped inside that little bubble. That's not what it is. If anything, I think it's some kind of like energy. You know, I agree. I agree 100%. All right. Yeah. And I think I'm just going to, again, reiterate to anyone that's like listening, meet everything with skepticism skepticism. That's all I got to
Evolution of Paranormal TV Shows
00:54:36
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say. Let's move into um ghost hunting. So yeah, I got a,
00:54:43
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of evolution. I wrote out like an evolution of um ghost hunting shows. Let's hear it. And equipment. So like, but and first of all, the first I get the first thing that would have been known as a ghost hunting show. So a live traveling show in the late 1700s. And that would have been just like, basically like a carnival act of them raising and allegedly going to a haunted place and then raising a ghost so it would be like hey guys meet us here at 1-800 spooky lane and people would go and they would give this guy five dollars or like a small amount of money and he would pretend to raise a ghost so that's like the first one that I could find ah some summoning ghosts has been part of like vlogville and traveling circuses and then um
00:55:40
Speaker
The first TV show to market itself as a paranormal show was one step beyond. um one of the first paranormal It was the first paranormal TV show. It ran on ABC for three seasons and i had 97 episodes. It ran from 1959 to 61. It was like a docu-series that explored paranormal events. um Any event that defied logical explanation, they would try to solve it with investigative work, but they would also do dramatized reenactments, which I think is cool for the time. Yeah. And then also since like that style is still very popular today, you know, you could turn on peak any streaming service you have and there's like a haunting show that does dramatized reenactments and interviews with people. And I want to get your thoughts on like that style of show.
00:56:39
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I know most people are like, oh, all ghosts shows are the same. And I think we're kind of creeping into that territory. But for the longest time, I was a firm believer that all these shows are not created equal. Because back in the day, I used to be a huge shoes ghost hunters fan. But I never really got into like ghost adventures. I watched ghost hunters and I would watch like paranormal state sometimes.
00:57:04
Speaker
But what drew me to the show Ghost Hunters is how incredibly skeptical they were. I meant like for for this style show, because we're getting, we're going to talk about ghost hunters. Like for the ones that like they bring the family on and they interview them and then you get like a reenactment of someone who's way more attractive than this old guy. Okay. so so agree So when it comes to shows like a haunting, I don't mind that. I don't mind the reenactments. I think they're fun. It's,
00:57:34
Speaker
like the haunting where they do a lot of reenactments, that's that's a fun show to put on in the background. And I kind of don't take the paranormal aspect as seriously, that's more for like entertainment. I don't mind it at all. And I think it can be a lot less exploitative versus other shows where they don't do reenactments and they show a lot of like the actual family in a not interview settings.
00:58:01
Speaker
I'm all for the reenactment shows. I just think it's, it's a different thing. Like I separate them in my mind. I'm not watching it for like the the evidence because they don't show a lot of like evidence. They're not really doing an investigation. It's just like a retelling of a ghost story basically. And I think it's fun and I'm here to have fun. If I'm watching it and not really caring about what I'm watching. I'm just kind of watching. Like if I just want to put something on, yeah, I don't mind those shows either. I actually do that now when I'm like watching dishes or something. I'll just listen to it. I don't even watch it because I'm just listening to it.
00:58:39
Speaker
But if I'm watching something for to get like evidence, to get the paranormal, the reactive reenactment shows to me kind of missed the mark a little bit. And that, like, if if it depends on like what it is you're your're during at the middle Yeah, one step beyond um That was the first one to do it without it. You don't have a market on TV for anything so Yeah, it holds a special place um an important place in in TV history The fact that they were able to get like 90 episodes out of it is great The next big paranormal show was in search of
00:59:29
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I've seen a bunch of episodes of these um hosted by Leonard Nimoy. Ironically, who who William Shatner kind of hosts a similar show that was on Discovery. So yeah, in search of 1977 to 82, that told a variety of stories on topics such as ghost, UFO, cryptid. Leonard Nimoy would do just like that. Like they would do investigation work.
00:59:57
Speaker
Interview people trying to really solve what they could then you move on from in search of which was a a really cool show and I recommend people just checking out an episode or two and Same within one step beyond these are these are worth checking out yeah i oh go ahead ah ah After that we got the big one the biggest one ever to do it and that's Unsolved Mysteries, 1987 to 2002. Without Unsolved Mysteries, like this like legitimized paranormal investigation, it it set up everything because they did everything. This was the documentary style looking for evidence of a variety of different paranormal beings. Unsolved Mysteries was great. I've loved that show. um Have you guys seen it?
01:00:53
Speaker
Oh, absolutely. I was going to say I love Unsolved Mysteries. The one thing I've always loved about Unsolved Mysteries is it combines both the true crime and paranormal. So you never know what you're going to get. It's truly a mixed bag of Unsolved Mysteries. And I to this day don't think there's like any other show on the market that hits all of those categories. There's aliens, there's ghosts.
01:01:20
Speaker
there's missing people. And it flows. It doesn't feel like they're just like throwing fluff in these. if you know You can kind of feel it like like it's it's all natural. Again, i I feel like the reenactments in that especially are always done in like good taste. I don't think they're ever like they're usually very accurate. The actors look pretty similar. And again, I think You don't watch Unsolved Mysteries looking for evidence. it's It's almost the same way, like if you consider the true crime aspect of Unsolved Mysteries, if I really wanna sit down and like get all the facts and research about a true crime case, I'm not gonna sit down and watch Unsolved Mysteries. And it's kind of the same thing with the paranormal aspect. If I want like real paranormal evidence in an investigation, I'm not watching one of those type of shows,
01:02:15
Speaker
that shows fun for entertainment. i I just think they're like different, they're different moods, but they're both serving a purpose. All right, so next on the list, um probably my personal favorite on it because I remember it. This is the reason why we have any ghost hunting show that you guys probably like is MTV fear aired for two seasons, 2000 and 2001. It's the first investigation show to kind of do the reality TV aspect so where they would send um people with portable cameras and looking for evidence in haunted locations and it was filmed kind of like that um this was like a big breakthrough but this was also like a game show where like they would send contestants in you know if you got scared you kind of lose kind of deal or if you found something you won
01:03:13
Speaker
So super interesting TV show. I loved it. I remember watching this as a kid. It's important because without this, without the success that this had for two seasons, um we never get ghost hunters. And if you don't get ghost hunters, you don't get anything else. Right. We love a show. We love the night vision camera. You know, you got a you got a couple of dudes in black t-shirts.
01:03:40
Speaker
and And a night vision camera. That's all you need. a Yeah, I do wish they would bring like MTV fear back just for like because I love the idea of it being like not like amateurs and not professionals and like bringing people into like haunted locations. I think that's just like it was it was funny. But you can the thing is with all the technology there is now.
01:04:06
Speaker
you know it's it's You don't need to hold the camera. You don't need to miss something because it failed. There's GoPros now. There's headlamps and stuff like that, where a show like that could still work. and I mean, it it does. We have ghosts. There's ghost hunters, ghost adventures. There's a lot of ghost shows. Those are called professionals, you know like quote unquote professionals.
01:04:34
Speaker
But like to get like just random people, you know give them a lamp and give them a camera, like that that idea I think is cool. Yeah, I would love for them to bring that back. Next was Ghost Hunters um running from 2004 to present. We've all seen it.
01:04:57
Speaker
therere They're the first to use the reality docu-series, the reality TV docu-series style, but bring on experts as the host in efforts of debunking. So yeah. When I saw you, I ate, slept and breathed Ghost Hunters in 2004. Like I was sat in front of that TV eight, nine central Wednesday nights on the sci-fi channel.
01:05:27
Speaker
I was there. It was 98 Central. Whatever. We're were we're ahead of Central time. People would be like, can you hang out? And I would be like, ghost hunters is on tonight. What do you think? I love ghost hunters and you didn't put this on here, so I'm going to mention it. But like I did. I love ghost hunters a lot. Same thing. Like I come home and I'm like, I got to see what's going on. But then A friend of mine in in like maybe like 2009, I want to say, she introduced me to, um, she said, let's watch this show. And I'm like, all right, cool, whatever. Right. And she put on ghost adventures and I immediately fell in love with ghost adventures because I was previously in love with ghost hunters.
01:06:22
Speaker
And the gimmick, the difference of the two and like the gimmick was ghost hunters had a camera crew. They got like their, their you know, the main, the what is it, like three guys, two guys, I forget. Yeah. Right, right. the the The thing is, the main thing is that there's tons of people inside, you know, there's a lot of noise, there's a lot of light.
01:06:43
Speaker
Even though they're in the dark, you know it's it's like but it still it was such a great show to watch you know because it was you were there kind of thing, right? But then she introduced me to Ghost Adventures and the gimmick in Ghost Adventures is literally with no camera crew following us around.
01:07:03
Speaker
we're joined by. And it's like, oh, I see now. So all I'm seeing is literally what you're seeing. And that really attracted me and caught my eye when when I came across that. And then i went I went and I got like the documentary DVD and I started like I follow it ever since then.
01:07:25
Speaker
And what i what what really drew me to like the documentary was their their original documentary in 2006 or 2007. I forget what it was. they They were young. They were stupid. You know, Zach Baggins. Think what you want about him. Some people like him. Some people hate him. Some people fucking really hate him.
01:07:48
Speaker
But during this time, he was like really fucking stupid and immature. So the the the documentary is like kind of hard to see. But what I loved about, it doesn't like hold up until now. but no But what I, relax. what i what what What I loved though about it was, you know at the end of the documentary, of of the Ghost Adventures documentary, there's a, um Zach's like investigating. I forget some that they're always in like Las Vegas or some shit
01:08:21
Speaker
But whatever whatever like room he was in, I forget what like the story of that was, but you see like you can see a board fall and then you see something fly across the screen and you you know you catch and you're it like, oh my God. And then they're like, you know you see, he runs and blah, blah, blah. Then they go back, they show the evidence again, they show this and show that. book he went to and i' And again, I'm just going off of what they say they do but they went to an expert who is uh... i don't remember what this guy's like specialty was but he does basically he checks to see if films are fake and he was just like kind of going through the again with their science of well this break at the velocity that it flew at the angle that it flew i turned down this and i changed this and i manipulated this on a video so
01:09:20
Speaker
with all this information that I've given you, basically the string that you would need would have to have been so thick that you would have seen it of it flying by. Now, again, you know, that's just what they say. Believe it. Don't believe it. You know, it's it's at the end of the day, it's entertainment. I don't care. At the end of the day, ah it's entertainment. But that what what that's what attracted me about the show was They were also trying to debunk and they would go to their quote unquote. They don't do it all the time, but they would go to their quote unquote experts and experts will say, well, look, you know, if you did this, if you did that, a lot of times they go to like priests and the priests are like, whoa, man, you are like.
01:10:08
Speaker
Playing with fire, we gotta to like do a cleanse before you leave. you know And that's good TV, you know whether you believe in any of that, whether that's stage, you know I don't know, I fucking don't know. But I say that to say, like these two, could both shows are still, if I'm not mistaken, both shows are still ongoing.
Influence of Ghost Hunters and Ghost Adventures
01:10:30
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is is ghost hunters still currently in in a form in a way there's spin-off shows there's different so so both shows are still ongoing and you're talking 2004 with that 2007 with um ghost adventures so to to have that longevity and there's spin-offs with ghost adventures Zach Baggins has a movie, Demon House. you know There's um one of the original cast members, Nick Groff, moved over. I guess they got, I don't know, it was contract disputes, whatever the fuck Hollywood people do. But like there's spin-offs in that. The fact that the shows are still ongoing just says a lot to you know both of those shows that like it's it's The Simpsons, you know it's it's always sunny where like
01:11:20
Speaker
They can continue these shows until they no longer want to do it. you know like there's Because people will always be attracted to these shows kind of thing. like the The style of the show, the entertainment that you get, the goofiness. like I know I fucking rave about Ghost Adventures. It is so fucking, like it's stupid, it's goofy. yeah i just First of all, I just want to say, I don't think anything good has ever come out of 2007.
01:11:49
Speaker
Um, that is truly like the darkest times in history. Probably, probably in the history of the United States, if not the world, I'm not accepting any notes on this or any criticism. And I'm just saying that to the difference is on ghost hunters, they would have just said someone could have thrown the brick and we'll never know. I feel like the problem with ghost adventures.
01:12:14
Speaker
is that they're doing these things that make you think that they're skeptical, that make you think they're looking for proof. But to me, like their proof and their debunking is always bullshit. Like whatever expert they go to is just full of shit. It's just some guy that they paid to like, cause at the end of the day, a brick flying through the air on a string makes no fucking sense.
01:12:37
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clearly someone threw the brick, but they're they're bending over backwards and doing all of these extra steps and hiring experts to tell you that there was no string, when at the end of the day, somebody threw the brick. But that's the entertainment aspect of it. Whether somebody threw the brick, whether it goes through the brick, whether they pushed a button and a button went, you know, launched it, whatever happened, I don't know.
01:13:06
Speaker
But when you're watching that in a dark room, it's that entertainment aspect of it is fun. And like i and i use the word I use the word gimmick because I honestly think that they were like, what can we do?
01:13:28
Speaker
to do, what how can we be like ghost hunters, but not like ghost hunters, which obviously that's what everybody wanted to do. Everybody wanted to be the next ghost hunters. And there, again, I'm gonna use the word gimmick, was it's just us. That's it. Whether that's true or not, I don't know. I feel like that also gives them less to work with because then they, it's only their point of view.
01:13:55
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And I just feel like there's so much more caught on, like ghost hunters throughout. Nothing was caught on ghost hunters. And that, you can say that, but that to me makes them credible to me because there are hundreds ah and hundreds upon episodes where they found zero evidence. That just makes them more credible. Name me one singular episode of ghost adventures where they don't catch anything. There's a few out of how many hundred?
01:14:22
Speaker
What does it matter? We're not here to discuss. But there are episodes of ghost hunters where they catch things not during the investigation, during interviews, during, like, cast interviews, during interviews with the the homeowners. They catch different things. Things you would have never seen if you relied on, like, just the investigators to be filming. Well, it's the same thing with ghost adventures. They catch noises and and all kinds of things during interviews also.
01:14:51
Speaker
the the I guess they... why and I don't know, this might sound stupid. I feel like Ghost Adventures took more of like a Hollywood approach to... Because they're they're they're characters, you know? Like the the like you have um the one guy who's just like fumbling and bumbling through his way through everything. He's just like the goofy stupid idiot guy, right? You have Zack who's like this I'm going to flex in every show. I'm like this dude, somebody scratched me. Look at my back and look how ripped I, you know, they're, they're characters. They're, they're, I feel like they took more of like a Hollywood approach. So it's like strictly for entertainment purposes, whether you like it or not. That's, you know, that's neither here nor there with any other shows really. Cause some people
01:15:46
Speaker
Some people don't like Ghost Hunters, some people don't like Ghost Adventures for whatever reason. Some people just don't like the fact that um one might be a little more slow-paced than the other, you know? and and Or maybe that Ghost Adventures is too fast-paced and it's just like there's no fucking way you're gonna catch stuff every single fucking time, you know?
01:16:10
Speaker
But the but the the point that I was getting to with with, the reason I brought it up specifically was they took a model, they took a formula, both both of them, ah both of them took a formula and found, they they basically, they cracked the code for like paranormal shows where they have their spin-offs, they have this, and again, like like it or don't like it, they found the formula and they they cracked the code. So, you know, these are the pioneers of like your modern day. Cause I mean, think about it. I mean, grave encounters is a phenomenal movie. You don't get that without the goofiness of, of ghost adventures. Right. But grave encounters is satirical. Ghost adventures is no, no, no seriously. Right. Right. Right. that But that's not the point I'm making. The point I'm making is they, you have these both shows kind of
01:17:08
Speaker
have a foundation. And just based off that, they have carried it out 20 years, you know for for ghost hunters, 20 years. That's a long time to be on TV. That's a long time to be relevant in in in a world where Next week, no one gives a shit about you. You know, that's a super long time to be relevant. So like but the point I was making, it's not one is better than the other or anything like that. It's they both found, you know, they both found that formula, cracked that code and they're just coasting, you know, love me, hate me. We'll be on TV as long as we fucking want. You know, and I think that's good. That's good for TV, though, you know,
01:17:55
Speaker
because it opens the doors for a lot of other stuff. you know um But yeah, sorry. that's that's I just think it's fascinating to to have shows on TV that that just run so long. It costs no money to make, though. though Right, right, right. No, I know. yeah It's different than like found footage videos. you know like if you If you do it right,
01:18:22
Speaker
whether people whether you like it or don't like it, if you do it right, it's going to work out for you. you know and And just like in an entertainment aspect of it, you know you do it well enough. There's not there's no way you it can go wrong for you. yeah Sorry, that was that. i didn't No, you're good. Do we want to keep going or do we want to break it into a separate episode? Let's break into a separate episode because in the next episode, we'll get into the we We covered a lot of entertainment this episode. We'll get into more facts on um actual ghost ghost hunting, ghost hunting materials. I found a great guide I would like to read. like We'll get into some definitions on types of hauntings and shit like that.
01:19:10
Speaker
cool because When we do that, I'll bring up Ghost Adventures again, because there's a lot of shit they do there. And I'm like, bro, this is the fucking stupidest. There's no fucking way you're going to make me believe this. And um yeah, so that's more so what I'm interested in, too, because the the theories of the science behind Ghost and and and what?
01:19:39
Speaker
I always feel like you're laughing at me. Uh, but yeah, no, no, no. Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah. We'll, we'll break it up and that's.
01:19:50
Speaker
So let's just wrap it up then. All right. We out. Oh, damn. So we're okay. Yeah. Okay. Cool. Then we have them.