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Paranormal 102
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The year is 2024. Turns out that the cold spots were in fact ghost and not Enrique leaving the windows open.
Are ghost miserable? Are they projections or are they really here in some form? Have you experienced any of these hauntings? Why does Pat pronounce "human" as "uman"? What are your ideal ghost hunting supplies? Is there really science behind ghost hunting? Are you afraid of a Ouija board? Are you worshipping the Devil or just playing a children's toy? Will Enrique ever play with one? Would you run if you ever experienced a ghost while hunting them?
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Introduction to Paranormal Series
00:00:00
Speaker
All right, let's go, Pat. Cool. Part two, paranormal history, investigation, whatever the hell we're going to go with. Um, what we saw last night, we're going to, we're in part two, we're taking a deep dive. So yeah, thanks for sticking with us. We'll get him to it. We're going to explore more on the same of us. Our last episode, we talked about ghost.
00:00:25
Speaker
some more history of ghost hunting and we'll get into like hauntings. Maybe you're being haunted by a ghost and you don't know what kind of haunting that is. So use this episode as a guide to help identify the hauntings in your life. All right.
Residual Hauntings: Are Ghosts Sentient?
00:00:42
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We'll go into it just by saying the types of hauntings. There are a lot of different hauntings. Like the last episode, Julia said there were residual hauntings. So Julia, do you want to like kind of give an overview of that?
00:00:56
Speaker
Yeah, so a residual haunting is just a haunting where the ghosts exist basically as though they're still living their life. it's It's basically like a tape recorder playing the same scene over and over again. They're not conscious of anything happening modern day. You can't really communicate with them. It's just like you hear footsteps on the stairs every single night at nine o'clock type of thing.
00:01:24
Speaker
There's also something called the stone tape theory. um And basically people theorize in places that have like a lot of like rock and limestone and also places that are close to like bodies of water are more likely to hold onto energy like that. And those are places where you will commonly find residual hauntings. So don't die near rocks.
00:01:51
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It, that also brings up like an interesting question. It's like, are they sentient? But also if they're sentient, you have to like, they don't know that they're dead. So does it really matter? Like, or like they might be miserable, but they're, they're not conscious of the fact that they're reliving something. They're
Intelligent Hauntings: Human vs. Non-Human Spirits
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just in the moment. So is it just like a projection playing on a screen?
00:02:18
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or are they actually there are in some form? Like we're getting a glimpse into an alternate dimension. That's a good question. I don't and don't have an answer to that, but I do love that question. All I know is I don't, would would would you want your your soul to be a residual haunting? I don't think I would mind it because I think the way I tend to do it is more of like the multiverse theory where you're kind of, a residual haunting to me is more likely to be like timelines crossing and you accidentally get a glimpse into the multiverse. So I don't think that ghosts that are part of residual hauntings are like conscious of the fact that they're just reliving their life. I think it's just like they're not necessarily reliving it, they're living it in real time and it's like all time exists
00:03:12
Speaker
all at once past, present, future are all kind of happening at the same time. So to them, it's not like they're reliving something. They're just living their life regular. So I think I would be okay with that. Like, it's what if I'm dead right now and someone else lives in this house and they think it's haunted because they hear people recording a podcast. That would be hell. Or interesting. I mean, I don't know the difference. Good point.
00:03:42
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That's what I'm saying. That's my point. As opposed to residual hauntings, there are conscious hauntings or referred to as also as intelligent hauntings.
00:03:53
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um That is when ghosts or entities are aware that you are there. Just like basically the opposite of residual hauntings. They may be interactive and can answer questions. This might be, you know, that might be through various forms of different tools or sounds such as knocks or bangs. um But they also may touch you or even throw things at you. A lot of interactions, type of haunting will depend on their general disposition and intent.
00:04:26
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I would definitely
Historical Ghost Hunting Tools
00:04:27
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hate to have this one where like you you are as if you're a spirit yourself aware that you are dead and You can interact with the world around you. I think that would also suck Yeah, and that's when when we talk about like the ghost shows that we talked about last episode they're typically searching for intelligent hauntings because obviously they're asking questions or like what is your name and Um, did you work here? Yeah. You have family. Those are all assuming that it's an intelligent haunting. Um, and that is, that does suck. And they talk a lot about like ghosts who haven't crossed over and like the reason why and like, what's that like for them that their soul is just trapped in a place. It's kind of freaky to think about.
00:05:21
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Yeah. There's also another point of hauntings between human versus non-human. Human spirits were once people who walk the earth, a non-human spirit is an entity that has never had human form. So that could like lead its way to a lot of ideas and interpretations. You can get into like poltergeist and demons and other things, but also such things as elementals and animals. So,
00:05:48
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If you encounter activity, it may not always be human. That's just something to keep in mind. With that, a beautiful little guide of some terminology. Let's get into
Modern Ghost Hunting Equipment
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ghost hunting. So now that we have some core understandings, we'll pretend that we are ghost hunting a place. We might need to bring some tools.
00:06:12
Speaker
What tools um would you bring? Well, I have um a little history of kind of like tools throughout that they've used for ghost hunting throughout history. The first and most common and that is still used today is the planchette or Ouija board.
00:06:30
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There's a lot of early uses would use the plant plant separately from the Ouija board and you would put like a pencil on it and a piece of paper and and not use the Ouija board. I found that like really fascinating. Even oddly enough, if you've ever read the book, The Haunting on Hill House, they use that and not a Ouija board.
00:06:56
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So um and like really interesting when automatic typewriters became a thing that was commonly used. These were the most used as like fake.
00:07:07
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Like this was known as like a fake thing. So like you would be able to like pretend, rig it up and and pretend to have a ghost type something on a typewriter. Other ghosts hunting um things were cameras, and light bulbs, rigging them. And so like you would communicate with an intelligent haunting and be like, if you're here, turn this light on.
00:07:33
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And then a lot of people used, if you were an early goose hunter, you would bring a bells. And then, of course, dowsing rods. I think they're the dumbest things on the face of the earth. Have you guys ever seen the dowsing rods? I have. My question is, I know that they were originally invented to find bodies of water. How does that work? like Do they really find water or are they just complete bullshit all around? I don't know about that. I only investigated them on the... They allegedly move when there's like an electric current or a waterway. And so you hold them and depending on how you hold them, these two metal rods, they move in your hand.
00:08:23
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They are seen in the Conjuring. I think the Conjuring, too, has them. And definitely in the Conjuring, the devil made me do it, because I re-watched that, unfortunately, recently. they They had them in there. So, unfortunately, yeah vi but bell like julia said these are metal rods that can allegedly locate water and spirits.
00:08:45
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As we have like evolved in time, um a lot of people use, so for modern-day ghost hunting, you would use a thermometer, infrared cameras, different types of cameras, and EMF readers, if you guys want to kind of describe what an EMF reader is. so An EMF reader is also a tool that's used for other things. It's used by like electricians and it basically senses electromagnetic fields and electromagnetic fields are given off by like all electronics or just anything that emits any level of electricity. Um, I used to own one, but I lent it to somebody and I never got it back. But, um, I think they can be useful. Um, even if you're a skeptic, the thing about electromagnetic energy,
00:09:40
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is that it can actually make you feel physically sick. So if you're in an area with like a shit ton of electronics, um that will mess with you. You can feel physically sick, you can feel confused, you can have delusions, hallucinations in extreme cases, but mainly like the number one side effect is you just have like an eerie feeling.
00:10:09
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So I think a lot of the time when people talk about just having an eerie feeling in an area that's haunted, it can a lot of times be contributed to the electromagnetic field.
00:10:23
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um However, they're also also useful um in seeing, you know, one, you can test and see like, oh, I feel an eerie in this area and there's no EMF field in this area you'll say okay then it's clearly caused by something else there's something else making me feel off in this area but two if you have like a huge spike in electromagnetic energy in an area where there shouldn't be because you can nine times out of ten tell when you're close to something that's going to have an electrical field sometimes there could be like wires underground and like hidden
00:11:08
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like out of sight, but for the most part, hopefully you've done your due diligence and like did a little bit of research on the area you're investigating where you'll know, for example, like if you're in the middle of the fucking woods and there's like a huge EMF spike, it's kind of like, all right, what is that? And I think the EMF detector is a good tool to use in tandem with a lot of these other things. It's not really giving you anything on its own. It's not really worth like the evidence, but use it combined with like three or four other devices. It just helps you build
Ouija Boards: Fear and Skepticism
00:11:45
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a case. Like I do ghost tours. And there's one spot that isn't really on the tour, but we walk past it. And sometimes I like I don't have an explanation for it. But like, sometimes the yeah EMF reader goes like haywire.
00:12:05
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And then other times it doesn't, so it's like been very inconsistent. And it has nothing to do with like the time of day. But like a yeah like and like I'm still trying to figure out why that is. like um It is a spot that's supposed to be haunted, um and and but that's like neither here here nor there. It's just whenever we walk past a certain part, um sometimes the reader goes off like crazy, and then other times it doesn't.
00:12:35
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Yeah. So like that's not really big evidence of anything, but it's, it's interesting. Yeah. It's interesting. It happens inconsistently. It's fun to check and like, yeah, I don't have a, I don't have an explanation for it yet. Um, but it is fun. Yeah. It's like, it just makes you think and be like, Oh, I wonder what that, what's that about? What's going on here? Yeah. Other like,
00:13:04
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infrared Like with infrared I also want to point out like that's super cool because um I don't know if you guys remember the ah um The paranormal activity movie the one where they used Yeah, yeah, I think that's also super cool. I was gonna mention that but I forgot I Genuinely, I almost bought one at one point not the Xbox Kinect but like I almost bought like a similar light that just has like a grid and um I was gonna buy one because I think that's also like a ah neat tool to use in investigations because it's like it projects this grid of like light dots and it's like the dots shouldn't move realistically if no one's moving around but it's like if the if the dots move it's like why are they moving type of thing yeah I thought that was just that was one of the coolest I think um
00:14:03
Speaker
Yeah, that that was so creative that they failed to do that for the movie. like That was a genius idea for them to come up with. yeah In the movie, it's not even being used for investigation purposes. They just happened to have the Xbox, and it made sense at the time that it came out. like That was a device a lot of people had in their home, and it just happened to show the paranormal activity that was happening. Very cool. Yeah. um Yeah. which I think that's that's super cool um and like equipment is
00:14:40
Speaker
I would say important. Maybe not the most important thing. I mean, nothing can beat your own two eyes and and a gut feeling, even though Julia said that um sometimes with like the electricity and electromagnetic field, like it makes you feel off. But, you know, I still think like sometimes the best um tools is like your intuition. So if you guys are going ghost hunting, what are the must need tools? Oh, okay.
00:15:09
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Um, I think definitely a video camera. You want to record video for sure. Probably also, um, if you just want to be like super well-rounded, just a camera to take photos and also an audio recorder or stepper from the camera. I never really understood why like investigations always take place in the dark at night, but I guess like you always see like they have like flashlights or like I don't know, but I guess it should be dark. You should have like recording devices. I'm a big fan of just like making like d DIY stuff. like When I was little, me and my friends would make like DIY Ouija boards all the time. I think paranormal investigating is very easy to get get into because you can pretty much use what you have. um You can sprinkle flour on the floor to see if there's footprints. They also did that in Paranormal Activity 1. And these things work.
00:16:08
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um you can you can use a candle and see and watch the flame of the candle. um You can try to do like ghost writing with pen and paper. I'm gonna say here's one thing that you shouldn't do, the stupid Charlie Charlie Charlie. Oh yeah, I don't even, that was like a trend back in the day. It's still going on, the kids kids at work still do it. um'm I'm all for like,
00:16:42
Speaker
Ouija boards and like pendulums. I also, how do you guys feel about Ouija boards? I was watching something once that was kind of describing, I keep saying this word, but like the science behind how the Ouija boards work and like, you know, essentially you're not touching it, but really like unconsciously you are touching it and You know, this is one of those you believe you don't believe that's up to you kind of thing. I have always just been more so on the cautious side of it because I am afraid. I've never done it, um but I am more so afraid of maybe finding out
00:17:36
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the The uncertainty of what's going to happen is is what um leads me to be cautious about it. But i I don't know. I mean, it's I don't know if I like believe or don't believe. I just know it's a tool that a lot of people use. And it's really up to the person, I guess, if they. Yeah. And I think that's really fair to be like you know it's probably not real but like i'm not trying to find out that's respectable it's the uncertainty of okay hypothetically speaking i say it is real and you know whatever ah you don't know what
00:18:22
Speaker
Message you're gonna get you don't know what you're that you don't know what and if you go off of you know What it's supposed to be and all that you don't know who's speaking to you. You don't know what
Cultural Narratives and Beliefs
00:18:33
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they're gonna say and that uncertainty That basically is what gets me To be cautious. I've never done it again. I've never done it, but it gets me to be more so cautious of oh just in general of Ouija board. I'm not, I'm not opposed to it. I've just never done it. Yeah. I'm, I'm like so about it, but I think it might also be because I don't totally believe in it. And I, if I believe in ghosts, I don't really believe in like demons. So I am not afraid whatsoever. I am down to clown any day of the week, but like no one else is. And I,
00:19:19
Speaker
I would never want to make people uncomfortable so I'm not like bringing one to a party because I know that that's not acceptable and people will be upset. so We've mentioned like that we've mentioned um we've been using one before. You have one behind your head.
00:19:37
Speaker
There's actually two, several behind you, but they're not used if it makes you feel any better. I don't feel uncomfortable around them. I just, using it has always been, in Mexico, we were going to use one in Mexico um years and years ago. I mean, this was like 2001, 2002. We were like in my grandpop's room. He's dead, but we were in his room. His ashes are there and um We were kind of chilling. They all know I'm scared shitless. So my cousin one of my cousins was like, hey, do you want to use? I have Ouija board. And I'm just like, well, I mean i don't have a choice because you guys don't want to force me to do anything anyways. And we never got around to it. I think there was certain things happening in the room. And they were just like, let's not because my my grandpa's not in the mood today. It's the phrase they use. So we didn't. but
00:20:37
Speaker
I've never again came across anyone that does it because everyone gets the but the the wrong ideas of it. And, you know, it's like you're worshipping the devil if you do it or whatever stupid thing people say. So like I've never really been around people that have been open to that. So, you know, I've just never come across it. But I'm not saying i'm I'm not opposed to it and I'm not afraid of it. Like you can say.
00:21:06
Speaker
Children's toy, I'm just saying. Right, right, right, right. You don't know, yeah, now I know. But I'm saying like, I'm not like, like if you pop one open, like if you pop one right now, boom, put it down. I won't be uncomfortable. it's It's almost like surprising the number of people in modern times that are like afraid of them. Cause I don't really know anyone who fucks with them. a i brought I bought one for work and we play with the kids.
00:21:34
Speaker
Yeah, but it's, it's, it's the pop culture. And even like the, because some, and I don't care that you did that cause I know that nothing will come of it, but like, I'm sure like there's parents out there that would be upset by that. and they give us ip My stance on things has always been, you cannot worship the devil by accident. Because I know a lot of people out there um say that like,
00:22:01
Speaker
This is of the devil. That's of the devil. Halloween is the devil's birthday. Which it's not. And I agree. And here's here's my take on it. This might be a hot take. I don't think so. I think it's lukewarm. Even if it was, I'm not consciously aware of that. And I'm not having any intention to associate with the devil. And that's what I mean when I say you cannot worship the devil by accident.
00:22:31
Speaker
The only time you are ever worshiping the devil is when you are making, when you are like having specific intent to praise him and to do like rules and to just do things to please him. That's when you're worshiping the devil. Literally no other activity counts as worshiping the devil besides actually worshiping the devil. That's
Preferred Ghost Hunting Techniques
00:22:55
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my stance on it. I agree with that. That's a very like good stance.
00:23:01
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like people that, cause I know a ton of people that don't celebrate Halloween for that reason. And I'm just like, maybe you're right. Maybe there are people, maybe Satanists do do weird stuff on Halloween, but I just, my personal opinion is that even if they do, I've never seen concrete evidence of that. And also I don't associate with that. So what does that have to do with me? I just like Halloween.
00:23:27
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Yeah. And like St. Sinus do things. I've known some singing.
00:23:39
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I think Satan got over. It's the devil. I was putting in plugging in my charger. Oh, okay. Yeah, know I know. I've known some St. Sinus. It's all good.
00:23:52
Speaker
but also Satanists don't even believe in the devil like that. No, they believe in like health care for women. Exactly. Like I'm down with the Satanists cause they don't, they don't even know what a devil is. They don't believe in that shit. That's fate. That's Christian. Um, it's just, it's, it's, it just all goes back down to what you've been told and what they've been told and what you tell this person and it was like,
00:24:19
Speaker
When you're a kid, you don't know anything. Absolutely nothing. you You're a clean slate. But you're told this, you're told that. You can't do this because of that. You can't do that because of this. If you do this, this happens. If you do that, that happens. And you know i in I forget when, after it was made, because I know the Ouija board is a children's board. I know that.
00:24:47
Speaker
Yeah, that's me. Right. Right. That's what I'm saying. I know it's it was made for kids, but whenever that took the other approach of whenever it took on that like character of it being evil and evil being kind of coming through portals because of it, that person passed it on to people that people pass it on to people and then it became one of those things where like a like a folktale you know it it becomes a thing where there's no evidence there's no proof there's nothing it's just my mother told me her mother told her this person told them
00:25:33
Speaker
It's fun to play with kids. and my dad song like At work, like we do it and like we fuck with the kids. and like you know We just want them to believe that their souls are going to be eaten. And that's fun. At at some level, I think a lot of fear will always stem from ignorance and like being uneducated. People fear things that they don't understand, which is why children are afraid of Ouija boards and which is why like hardcore religious people are afraid of Ouija boards. It's just yeah people with low IQs, people who read at like a sixth grade level, they're afraid of Ouija boards. um That's just the facts. Yeah. And for everyone else, it's like a fun parlor trick. You know, yeah it will like in Ouija, like one of the Halloween parties I'm going to be at
00:26:27
Speaker
you know, like there's, there will be an no Ouija board in use just as a good joke. And that will be fun. I'm surprised you know enough people that are okay with it. Cause like my friends would never, I would, I wouldn't be surprised that I am surprised you like it's, it's just like a fun, silly thing. No, I fully agree. But I know like most of my friends, if I brought that to their house, they would ask me to leave.
00:26:56
Speaker
I love Ouija boards even just like um visually I have a lot in my house just as like decor for decoration because I think they look cool. All the ones that I have for decor are not used. They've only ever been used as decor because I know people feel uncomfortable and I don't want to have them like up on my walls if there's like a chance that there's a demon attached and it's going to upset somebody. I think people that believe in demonic possession are susceptible to being a demonic. defeat yeah No, i I truly believe that on some level. I don't really believe in demons. And so I don't fear them. But people do exhibit symptoms of possession. We've seen it like it's it's real. People have very real symptoms of that. And I think if you will believe in that, that's something that can happen to you. So I think it's funny that we spent all this time to like talk about Ouija boards. It's definitely like move on from I do think it's funny that um
00:27:54
Speaker
That's like the most popular one. I kind of wish it was like automatic typewriters or any of the other old, like a bell with ropes on it. Like why can't that be the one that people are afraid of? Well, because there's no, there's no backstory to it. There's not an intelligent interaction. It's not quote unquote talking to you.
00:28:18
Speaker
Like hearing a bell ringing is one moment where as with a Ouija board, you're communicating back and forth. You're getting answers to questions. You're getting names. It's spelling words. Then it becomes a conversation. And I think that's where all the stories and legends about like opening a portal come from. Cause now you've made this open connection with the spirit rather than like ah a more closed connection where they're just ringing a bell or like knocking on the wall.
00:28:51
Speaker
Yeah, that's so yeah that's a very good answer. Yeah. Every day, what equipment are you bringing for ghost hunting? Julia is bringing the Ouija board. So to I would bring similar things. you You have to have a camera, but I would have a few cameras because there's always areas where you feel things or people have said they've encountered things and whatever the case is. So um I know I want to go investigate a friend's house. I don't know if he wants me to say his fucking name because he's being a little bitch, but I want to go investigate a friend's house. and um like i would put like I would have a camera like where one of the places where he's seen Compton
00:29:39
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activity at, you know, I would put stuff in in in certain areas, so I would take maybe like a few cameras. um And I'm not saying in real life, I have money to buy a bunch of cameras, but in this hypothetical world, I would What about Trail cameras. I like I like trail cameras. I like motion d detect cameras. So like any kind of like ring camera Stuff like that like indoor cameras that like ah baby monitors stuff like that um I feel like those things are good to have just in general if you were Considering well one in general. I think they're good to have but like if you're considering like
00:30:21
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You know, because that's that's more so what I would realistically bring is I would go and I would get like um I would do like an Amazon rental and I would for 30 days go get a few like motion detecting cameras, you know, and put like one or two in certain spots and then kind of have like maybe a baby cam where it like records the whole time and something where I can kind of look back and be like, okay, we didn't spend any time in the bathroom. yeah Why is it going off? Right, right, right. But like, wasn't put a camera in the bathroom.
00:31:01
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No, no, that's probably a horrible example, but like kitchen, far kitchen, let's just say like every time, you know, every morning you wake up, you're like, why the fuck is this cup here? I know I put this cup in the sink. So, you know, having like cameras there, so I would definitely bring that. I feel like that's always the
Evaluating Paranormal Evidence
00:31:21
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most important thing to have. You know, the worst thing what you put these cameras up, then you find out that someone's frogging.
00:31:29
Speaker
Well, that's just a different kind of frightening, actually. That's one of my biggest fears is I cannot, like I, one of my biggest fears is that someone's looking at me and I have no idea that they're there. Truly one of my biggest fears. That's why I cannot be in like a, I can't be in a well lit inside and have like a window open.
00:31:55
Speaker
because I don't know what the fuck. I can't see what the fuck's happening out there, but they can definitely see me. Yeah. That's not my, that's not my thing. So if that's the case, I will never go back. Like if someone's frogging, I'm never going back there ever again. And you just have your place. you this one You can just have it, man. I'll sign it over to you. I'll definitely take an audio recorder. They're important. I've done it at work where I've left um the recorder at work a few, few nights.
00:32:23
Speaker
But that's one of ah personal my personal opinion. That's one of the big things to do is to have an audio recorder, maybe have like one or two and far away places that you might not be in. Like if you're doing like a like a bigger location or if you're doing like the shed, the basement and the house, like maybe in the shed put an audio recorder so it can catch more faint sounds that like your camera audio can't can't capture. Or you might not have camera audio. I would definitely bring some kind of powder, maybe flour, flour is like the more common one. It's inexpensive.
00:33:13
Speaker
Right. and And I feel like it's one of the more important things to do is, you know i what if i do what what if it's disturbed? i mean i I don't know if I've ever told you guys, but there was a time, and I'm not going to tell the whole story, but there was a time at Domino's where I was sweeping and I kept hearing things. I was like genuinely afraid.
00:33:36
Speaker
And I kept sweeping the cornmeal, but then the phone would ring and before I could put it into the dustpan, I would come back after, you know, I would come back and it was like a little footprint. I would sweep it. Something happens. I would come back and then I would always see like it's this stuff. I say footprint, but it's disturbed. Like I know the pile was here. I come back. Now the pile is a little disturbed. Like something came across it. So I feel like that's always a good indicator of,
00:34:05
Speaker
something came across it if it's small and tiny maybe it's a rat you know if it's somewhat medium size maybe you know maybe it's an animal maybe it's a breeze whatever right but like i feel like that's an important thing to have and if i were i guess to bring a fourth item um i don't know because i feel like those are like the most important ones but if i were to bring a fourth item I would probably bring I Don't know. I don't know. I maybe it is that you don't have to read it, right? Right. Right. Well, I have one in mind, but then it just it left my mind and I was trying to remember it No, I think I would just stick with I would just stick with those basic things. Honestly, I Think those those three basic things personally um Good way to start feel like those are your basics that you need to have
00:35:07
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And so um I looked up a poll and it said that the most common type of um haunting experience or the most common like evidence brought up is knocks.
00:35:20
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um Why do you guys think that is? Why do you think that knocks overall? I think knocks are just a common sound that can happen within a building.
00:35:36
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but the average person that's not familiar with like how buildings are constructed may not understand what's causing the sound. And I think some knocks could be paranormal. I don't want to immediately discredit that. I don't want to sound like a non-believer, but I think paranormal investigators also use knocking as like a as like a call and response to try to get intelligent hauntings to interact. And I just think that's another easy like fun way that you can try to get a ghost to interact with you. I don't know why like ghosts would manifest as knocking because like in their life they probably weren't like but but I guess if you're if you're an intelligent ghost and you're like aware and you're trying to communicate you may not have the energy to be able to produce like sounds and like speech and things so maybe you're like banging on the wall really hard but it's just manifesting as like a soft knock
00:36:32
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Maybe that's and also knock is really just a noise. So any noise can be described as any noise the or any noise can come off sounding like a knock. I know when I used to leave the recorder at at work, um I would hear constant knocks.
00:36:53
Speaker
But then it's like, OK, oh my god, I heard a knock. But then, e you know what? A truck ran by 35 seconds ago. It's an old building. Maybe it's just starting to vibrate. Maybe it's like a switch, the air turning on and off. Or um you know if you hear a knock, a lot of times you can Debunk these things by like how many times have I heard this knock? How many times have I you know, how is it not going? They're not going like knock knock Not so here's my okay. it's It's a rhythm. It's got to be something else, you know Here's my question every day. What would you do to guarantee? its authenticity and I guess this would be like you are Interacting live with it
00:37:50
Speaker
So honestly, the only way I can truly think that guaranteeing like this knock was authentic is you have to also physically show like, here's where we are. Here's around the area we heard the knock. Nothing is in this area. There's no cars or in the middle. There's no air, you know, like,
00:38:21
Speaker
That's probably the only way you can prove that. And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying k knocks aren' aren't like, you know, that every knock is something non-paranormal. But the the best way to prove it is just kind of because people are always one step ahead of you and they're always thinking, well, couldn't it be this? Did someone
Rationalizing Common Haunting Signs
00:38:46
Speaker
drop something? Maybe you dropped a pen, maybe you know, maybe maybe your phone rang and it's on vibrate, you know, like showing here, look, we're, we're sitting down, the camera's facing us, the, our backer to the wall, basically here, you can see everything. We heard the knock in this area. There's nothing in this area. I think that that's the only way you can kind of genuinely prove a knot because if it's just audio,
00:39:21
Speaker
It's hard to prove it because it can literally, someone could be army crawling and you don't hear anything. And then you hear a knock, you know, like there's, and that's exaggerating, but you know, like there's, there's always some reason why it's something else. And I feel like the only way is just to kind of have like visual proof that look,
00:39:46
Speaker
we covered all the variables that could possibly be the cause of it. And we just can't, we just can't explain once we cross them off the list, we just can't explain what it was that made that sound. And I think one one for me is like, if if you could interact with it and be like, Hey, not three times and it knocks three times.
00:40:11
Speaker
I've had situations where, and I know what you guys think, and I know especially you, Pat, what you think, but I don't really care. um Well, no, you'll you'll hear what I'm going to say, and then you're going to be like, okay, I see why you don't care. Because I've had, when when my cousin and I there were staying over for for a few months when she would come and visit, we had a joke where it was like, knock one time if you're still awake, knock twice if you're asleep.
00:40:38
Speaker
knock five times if you're dead right like just as a joke like knock three times if you're scared knock four times four and then like i think knock five times um if you're dead right that was like the joke so it was basically like because she would sleep all in the the room she was in there was just A thin wall like those walls are shitty like there was just like a thin wall between us so You could clearly hear like if I knock but what that's on any wall But like it was so like you could just do a light tap like and you could hear it loud as day right um And there was like a time I like three something in the morning where I woke up and I heard a knock and I knocked back and
00:41:25
Speaker
And then in the morning, I'm like, i'm like what the hell are we going up at three o'clock in the morning? And she's like, oh no, I fell asleep like immediately. And it's like, oh, okay, so what was that that I heard then? Was I half asleep myself? Was I dreaming? you know But, knocks, knock once if you're if you're in our presence.
00:41:53
Speaker
you know not twice if you want us to leave you know that's that's like a common thing that you hear a lot of times and I don't know I mean if you're telling something like knock one time if you want me to get out of here right and then like 10 seconds later you hear like it's like oh my god we gotta to get the fuck out we heard a knock There's there's I don't know. I I feel like the people there Yeah, are more likely to believe it than the people who weren't I think that's always the case That's right
00:42:37
Speaker
I just think it's interesting because like that, that is the, by far the most, um, attributed, um, thing. So I looked it up and like, you know, like they gave reasons why ghosts might knock energy manifestation, communication, attention, sneaking, cultural and environmental. It makes sense. Yeah. No, it makes 100% sense. Yeah. So like if, you know, I guess like if you're doing ghost hunting and you hear knocking, it's probably nothing, but you still got to investigate it because that's what you're, that's the whole point of you being out there and doing it. The second
Unexplained Voices: Personal Experiences
00:43:24
Speaker
most, I don't know if you guys want to take a guess at it. It's pretty obvious. I would say the second most is probably voices. I, um, wait, um,
00:43:36
Speaker
Voices is third. I'm going to say like cold spots. Cold spots too. All right. Yeah. But no, you're all right. Like, um, voices is, is three, um, people here in the station and voices that they can't attribute to anyone. I think that also is a lot of, um, maybe like it's someone in in the next room or something. I don't know.
00:44:05
Speaker
I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. It could be a lot of stuff. Yeah.
00:44:14
Speaker
um Cold spots is is a super interesting thing. um Julia, do you want to kind of explain that? People basically theorize that ghosts need energy to manifest, to be able to make noise, to be able to like speak, to knock on things, to show themselves visually. they need to draw energy out of their surroundings. So people say that you feel cold spots when ghosts are around because ghosts sucked up all of the like thermal energy and converted it into like knocks and stuff.
00:44:53
Speaker
Yeah, the the the whole the whole cold thing is interesting to me, like cold spots.
00:45:04
Speaker
Have you guys ever experienced it? Oh, many times. I mean, I'm always cold. I don't think I've ever experienced cold spots. I've experienced cold spots. Like at my mom's old house, I've i've experienced cold spots a lot in certain places. I mean, obviously you film him in the basement and and you know, I never thought nothing out of but even know the basement was fucking creepy as fuck. But there were certain, certain Areas of certain rooms where it just was genuinely 100% colder than um Any other place like if you were hot you can step in this area and You would cool down a bit. I'm exaggerating but Like there's there was a lot of places where you just knew specifically. It was just a lot colder. My sister's room was one um
00:46:02
Speaker
There was this closet that she had in the living room that never she never replaced the light in it. And that closet was freezing cold. I have no idea what was in that closet in like the 20-some years she lived there. But um yeah, I've experienced cold spots. I always think they're interesting because, you know, why is it cold? Good point.
00:46:31
Speaker
um Julia have you ever encountered a cold spot? No, I don't think so i I feel like it's too hard to know I I don't think I've ever encountered like a spot that was like so cold that it was like Unreasonable and like didn't make sense for the area or like the room is warm, but there's like one cold spot. I've never Yeah, never seen it And then voices um I'm not going to ask if you guys ever heard a voice because you're listening right now. Yeah, that's true. I have heard voices that weren't supposed to be there though. That might be, that's always a tricky thing because it comes with a lot of, Oh my God. Um, is he okay? What's wrong with him?
00:47:29
Speaker
Um, but I've heard voices plenty of times. I mean, I've, I've, I've captured a voice before, you know, so voices, I would say everyone has kind of heard a voice, whether they felt or knew, or even it came across their mind as paranormal. That might be different, but everyone, I think at some point in their life has heard a voice and was like,
00:47:58
Speaker
Did you say something? Hmm. Maybe, maybe not. You know, like everyone's had that moment like that. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's actually fair and and a good, um, viewing of it. Cause it's like, yeah, like, did you say something? And I think that happens all the time. That that also could be linked to like glitches in their matrix and things like that. Yeah. Yeah. Like there there could be a lot of reasons for it. And, and.
00:48:26
Speaker
A lot of times, the the thing is a lot of times you think you heard something, but you're just like, I don't know, the TV or fucking these people outside, they don't shut the fuck up. you know you you A lot of times it's paranormal is like the last thing that crosses your mind.
00:48:46
Speaker
And that's fair, you know, because it crosses my mind all the time because that's just who I am as a person, but it doesn't necessarily cross everybody's mind all the time. So,
Reacting to Ghost Encounters
00:48:58
Speaker
you know, to them it could just been like, I thought I heard something, but I don't know. Maybe I didn't. That's right. We talked, um you know, a good amount about like,
00:49:10
Speaker
ghost, the equipment, what what you would may experience um when hunting. um So what would you guys do if you actually encountered them? Like, you know. And would be and there's an old episode of Ghost Hunters from back in the day and it became a meme like before memes were really a thing. um Memes existed for a long time but like The word meme did not exist at this time, but there's an episode and I think it's Dave Tango is one of the guys on the team and they see an apparition and he just yells, dude, run and like takes off. And like Jay and Grant like laid into him so hard and they were like, bro, you found the finally found evidence of the fucking paranormal and you take off running and tell everyone to run. Like what the fuck is wrong with you?
00:50:08
Speaker
And he's like, I was scared, but like, he's so real for that. But like, it became like a running joke and they made like t-shirts that said, dude, run. But like, that's so real because you could be searching to the ends of the earth to find a ghost. If that motherfucker is standing in front of you, like you're telling me you're going to be calm about it. No, I'll probably take off running. I don't know if I would run.
00:50:37
Speaker
Because I don't know if I would be able to run. If that makes sense. Yeah, and I know exactly what you mean. It would be my thought. And I would, you know, really consider like if my body doesn't work, I'm just going to fucking throw myself and wiggle. But I, I, I. I don't know, I feel like I've been around ghost a few times in my life and it's always just like a genuine fear that I feel to where it's like I don't know what to do right now. So would you rather have irrefutable information or not be afraid? I mean I i always wish I wasn't afraid of literally everything I'm afraid of
00:51:35
Speaker
Well, I mean, like, would you rather, like, signed one or not? You know, as as much as um' I'll regret it if I ever do come across a ghost and, like, proof of a ghost, I want to find one and not so I can rub it in anyone's face.
00:51:55
Speaker
But so I can let people know like, I am not just some fucking immature, 30 some year old that believes in like childhood things. Like, I believe in what I know was there and now here it is, you know? Julia, same question. So what's the question? Would you? Would you, would I want to see? Would you rather?
00:52:26
Speaker
Find proof and encounter a ghost? Or what was the alternative? Yeah, what's that? Or just not. Not if. I definitely want to. Um, I want to so bad and I'd said I would run and I think that I realistically would, but I want to see a ghost in front of me so bad. That would be like the coolest shit ever. Um, if you're a ghost, show yourself right now. Mmm.
00:52:56
Speaker
Wait till I leave. He's like, please don't.
00:53:02
Speaker
But yeah, like I am here for it. like i I would like to see an apparition. I want the ghost to talk to me. um like Let's go. um In the moment, I might get a little bit scared and run, but I'm i'm generally pretty brave.
00:53:22
Speaker
so um I would try my best to not run away. Yeah, I would do the same thing. I mean, I would also try not to run, try not to be afraid. I mean, that's your natural instinct is you're not going to fight a ghost. You're going to fight a ghost.
00:53:51
Speaker
Listen, I'll fight a fucking ghost. That's what you think, but I know I'm not fighting the ghost. Were they gonna get me with their old-timey fisticuffs? Listen, people used to get knocked out by that. People used to get knocked out by this all the time. The ghost was probably alive when beating women was like real popular and like the fun. So they got experience in it, you know, and they see you and they're like,
00:54:18
Speaker
I'm about to beat the fuck out of this party. I got hands too, and they're rated E for everyone. All right. But I... So that means you don't hit hard? No, I do. It's just everybody's... I'm hitting everybody. I'm not fighting the ghost, man. I'm fighting the ghost. I'm punching a ghost right now. Yeah, see, I'm not... I'm not gonna pretend like I won't be afraid, but...
00:54:46
Speaker
I would do my best to sit there and get enough proof. I would do my best to sit there and gather as much evidence as I could. So I can say one, they're, they are real. And two, what can we learn from this experience? You know,
00:55:13
Speaker
Because what if I catch one, like I said, when I'm investigating my friend's house and I'm like, Hey, you know, I caught this evidence and I think maybe you should do this. Maybe you should try this. Maybe you should talk to, I reached out to someone, you know, whatever the situation is, like we should probably do our best. We we should probably always do our best.
00:55:41
Speaker
to get gathered evidence, you know, much much proof.
00:55:50
Speaker
That's fair. I say
Conclusion: Open-mindedness in Ghost Hunting
00:55:51
Speaker
it's fair. That's kind of like good words. And I think it's balanced, now which is important. Like we stated in the earlier episode, it's got to be balanced with this stuff. I think realistically, if I saw a ghost in front of me, um I would probably react as though it were human.
00:56:12
Speaker
because I just wouldn't know what to do in that situation. So like, for example, if a ghost walked in the room right now, I'd probably react the same way as if it were like a random person walking in my house. Just like out of instinct, I would probably like, like we were joking about like fighting the ghost, but I probably would like attack them. Um, cause I'd be like, why are you in my house? I'm not, my brain is not registering that it's a ghost. My brain is registering it as like a person.
00:56:43
Speaker
and just like my instincts are gonna kick in. So yeah, it's either fight or flight, but I feel like you're your body doesn't have a, it doesn't have like a ghost sensor. So like, you're just reacting as though everything's a predator. You're saying? So I'm saying I will fight the ghost. Okay. All right, Zach Baggins.
00:57:10
Speaker
I don't think he's really about it. I'm just going to say it. Oh, he's about that action. He might be about it, but I don't think he can fight. He probably can't, but he about that. why He got three scratches on his back every. Why the ghost keeps scratching him? Well, according to him, it's a demon. And I feel like that's what they do. That's like kind of their thing.
00:57:35
Speaker
And I've said it before, I don't know that I believe in demons. So I'm not really sure what that's all about. um I know some people don't believe in ghosts and they only believe in demons. So they get like really, really scared when stuff goes bumps in in the night because they don't believe in like human ghosts at all. So like if they hear a bump, it's automatically like Satan the devil, like a demonic.
00:58:01
Speaker
But yeah, I'm just saying, people that believe in demons tend to always wind up with three scratches across their back. I just think it's interesting. um Let's wrap this up, I think. Does anyone have any final thoughts? Yeah, you should be as open-minded as you can be about these topics in general because There's always some, some people believe in what they consider spirits and a lot of more religious people, Christians, and more particularly will believe in a spirit, but they won't believe in a ghost because a ghost is more like sinister than a spirit, but spirits can also be sinister according to them. So it's kind of like, well,
00:58:56
Speaker
you know none of what you're saying is making sense but i feel like you should always be as open-minded as you can possibly be with with things like this because yeah nine times out of ten it's probably something else and nine times out of ten it's probably not a ghost but because you can't prove that it's not you should always keep that in mind because if you if the chance that there ever are like that they are real ever like if there's any possibility that they are then your i ideas like it won't blindside you in other words is what I'm is where I'm getting at
00:59:52
Speaker
So I think you should just be as open-minded as possible with this guy. No, that's fair. I don't know, do you have any final thoughts? I'm just saying, if you are a ghost, you should show yourself, and I triple-dog dare you to make yourself known to us. That is literally every one-third of every episode of Ghost Adventures. And does it work for them?
01:00:22
Speaker
Yeah. I'm pretty sure it does. He's always getting scratched. Case closed. He's always wearing black, too. You could scratch me. I'll be all right. I'll volunteer as tribute. I've been scratched before by something I don't know what. That was a spring coming out your mattress. Point is, um yeah, be open-minded.
01:00:49
Speaker
That's all I got to say. We good here? Yeah. All right, cool.