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148 - The Green Hornet (2011)
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"It’s not dying that you need to be afraid of. It’s never having lived in the first place."
We’re finishing off the 2011 green-themed hero miniseries within the accidental comic book/superhero theme month by taking a look at the Michel Gondry-Seth Rogen take on the original rich guy-turned-vigilante radio character! Join Stephen and Tucker as they talk about the character’s origins, the oeuvre of Gondry, the long development of this property, the nightmare that was this film’s production, and so much more!
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Theme
00:00:21
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I'll sing one for you
00:00:24
Speaker
Oh, hi there. Didn't see it come in. It's me, Steven Foxworthy. And this is the disenfranchised podcast for that podcast. All about those franchises of one, those films that fancy themselves full fledged franchises before falling flat on their face after the first film. I am your host, the aforementioned Steven Foxworthy.
Co-host Absence Humor
00:00:43
Speaker
And joining me, as always, the Kato to my Green Lantern is my co-host Tucker. Hey, Tucker. Hi, Steven. How's it going? It goes, man. How are you?
00:00:54
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I'm I'm all right, busy, but good. We should note here that our our co-host Brett Wright has been kidnapped by some unsavory gangsters in Los Angeles. We wish him a very speedy recovery. Absolutely. But Tucker, we are here.
Film Focus: The Green Hornet
00:01:15
Speaker
This is we kind of ended up stumbling backwards into an unofficial theme month.
00:01:21
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We had something else planned for this week, and unfortunately, the guest that we had was unable to join us this evening, although we do plan on having them back very soon to discuss the movie we were planning to discuss today. So instead, Tucker, we opted to just make this an unofficial theme month by covering what?
00:01:44
Speaker
2011's Michel Gondry's The Green Hornet. Yes, the 2011 Michel Gondry film The Green Hornet. That is a film that happened that you all probably forgot happened, but that doesn't change the fact.
00:02:01
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that it did. Directed, of course, as we said, by Michel Condrey, based on characters created by George W.
Star-Studded Cast Overview
00:02:08
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Trundle and Fan Fran, excuse me, Stryker, with a screenplay by Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg, and starring the aforementioned Seth Rogen, Jay Chow, Cameron Diaz, Tom Wilkinson, Christoph Waltz, David Harbour, Edward James Olmos, Jamie Harris, Chad Coleman,
00:02:27
Speaker
Edward my fucking furlong and in an uncredited uncredited cameo at the top of the film One mr. James Franco what a cast Tucker What a picture Yeah, I would say yeah what a cast and and basically what a picture. Yeah
00:02:48
Speaker
So basically we've managed to cover in a bass-ackwards roundabout way four comic books slash superhero movies this month, which was not our intention going in. It just kind of happened that way. So this making this kind of an unofficial theme month and the last two weeks kind of their own special mini series of 2011 films based on superheroes with green in the title. It's all green, baby. It's all green, baby.
00:03:14
Speaker
I mean, look, it's better than the green bee. I'll say that at least.
Tucker's Green Hornet Obsession
00:03:21
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Tucker, what is your history with the Green Hornet as a property with this film in specific? Like what brings you to the Green Hornet? This was a movie you confided in me in the text thread earlier that was one that you enjoyed. So talk to us a little bit about that. Yeah.
00:03:41
Speaker
So I've, I've always kind of been familiar with the character of the Green Hornet, um, originally from, uh, the guest spots on the original Batman TV series with Adam West. That's kind of how I found out that that existed. And then, um, in my late teens, it until today I've had a quiet obsession with old timey radio programs. Uh, so I have dipped into that a bit.
Admiration for Michel Gondry
00:04:11
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Um, but I think the biggest draw for me in this film when I saw it originally, and I did see this at the movie theater when it came out. Um, my biggest draw was that it was directed by Michelle Gondry. Um, and he is my second favorite music video director of all time. And I mean, he was kind of the shit when he was first like hitting the ground in Hollywood. Like he, he kind of came in swinging.
00:04:41
Speaker
Got some great stuff. And another movie that for me, topic wise, does not age well, but still every time I watch it, it gets better, is Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. Like I relate less with the characters every time that I watch it, but just the way that it's made and the visual style of it and the direction of it just like blows my mind every fucking time I see it.
00:05:08
Speaker
Uh, and so I've always, I've always loved him as a director. Um, he did Be Kind Rewind, which is another fucking forgotten masterpiece. I have never seen it. Was aware of it when it came out, but just never saw it. So let me tell you about it. Just real quick, quick sidebar. Be Kind Rewind, um, stars Jack Black and Mo's death. Mm-hmm.
00:05:35
Speaker
And they work at a video store now known as Yasin Bay. Through an act of God, all their video tapes get erased. So they have to remake all of these movies. Like just themselves with like a video camera and whatever they have lying around. And it is the most wholesome, sweetest, most beautiful thing you'll ever see. Stephen, go watch Be Kind Rewind.
00:06:02
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right now. I'll wait. Sounds good. Well, see you guys next week. Steven's going to go watch Be Kind Rewind. This has been our episode on the Green Hornet. And bye, everybody. Bye. Bye. Goodbye. No, I will have to check it out because.
Revisiting The Green Hornet
00:06:20
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Look, I have seen, as I mentioned to you in the Tech Start, I've seen two Michel Gondry movies in my life, and this is the first one I ever rewatched. The Green Hornet is the first one I ever rewatched. I watched Turtle Sunshine from the Spotless Mind one time in college after it had been released on a digital video disc.
00:06:40
Speaker
And then my mother gifted me this in like an Easter basket or something when shortly after it came out. And I remember watching it that day and being so unimpressed that I I think I ended up selling it to have price books not long after was just generally unimpressed by this film as a whole. Was kind of in fact, I was I was so unimpressed by it, I kind of checked out on it early and was just kind of like doing other things while it was on.
00:07:11
Speaker
It was just really not. But so I actually watched it today. And as I mentioned you in the text thread, better than I remember. Maybe because I was actually watching it this time, Michelle Gondry, man, there's speaking of Michelle Gondry, another recommendation that you have to put on the priority list while you have access to Showtime, Stephen. Is the series kidding?
00:07:37
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Uh, which is a serious Jim Carrey show. Yeah. There were like two or three seasons. Um, and Michel Gondry directed eight episodes of that. It's about Jim Carrey. He plays kind of a Mr. Rogers type, right? And it, it, it delves into the dichotomy of that, like the duality, I guess, of, you know, living that life of being that person on screen and then dealing with like real adult things off camera. Yeah. And it's really, really good. I think it's.
00:08:06
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Hands down, Jim Carrey's best performance. Oh, OK. Interesting. He is so good in that show. I kind of want to do a rewatch because I keep thinking about it and I keep being like, man, I want to watch that again because it was just so fucking good. OK.
00:08:25
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Yeah, I'll have to check it out. And I made a list of Michelle Gondry film, I think there's like nine feature length films that he he and he alone directed. So I will have to check those out. And including many I had never even heard of before, like the science of sleep.
Gondry's Filmography Exploration
00:08:41
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And yes, that movie is so badass. The book of the book of solutions, which just came out earlier this year, like he's
00:08:50
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He's he's a guy who's done, but he's also done a lot of like he was like a preeminent music video director like his music video. He is. He's so sad. I tell you what, he's directed like a Rolling Stone video for the Rolling Stones, which is a fucking great video. I love that video. He directed a lot of white stripe videos, too, which is which is why you have there in the soundtrack on this movie. Yeah. Yeah.
00:09:19
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Like his white stripe videos fell in love with a girl. Fucking classic. I don't know if you've seen that video, but it's, it's Lego animation before Lego animation was a thing, but it's done to where like, instead of having Lego figures, it's like the backdrop is.
00:09:39
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Like, oh, I don't know how to I. Hmm. I don't know how to explain it. I feel like we have to watch it right now, but I don't that would slow things down that really send it to a crawl. That's like something we would do on Patreon.
00:09:51
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You know, we might have to, when this is over, we might have to do a commentary to that music video. Depends on what time we finish, yeah. Ah, title of my sex tape. Hey! Hey! If we're going to go deep on Michelle Gondry, we might be here, too. Because look, I mean, as late as it is for me, it's an hour later for you. And I just have to keep that in mind. Well, let me tell you.
00:10:11
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Let me tell you something about Michel Gondry, which is something that's very weird about this movie, because I feel like this is one of the only films that he's ever made where not all of the effects are done in camera. Like Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. There's no digital effects in that movie, Steven. That's all in camera. Be Kind Rewind. That's all in camera. Kidding.
00:10:34
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All of that, all of his music videos, it's all done practically. It's fucking amazing. This movie feels in a very big way like his swing at a more mainstream film career. And I think had this film not cost so much to make, it probably could have been.
00:10:56
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Because it was not unsuccessful, it just was not successful compared to expectations, which is kind of a Hollywood problem these days. Very much especially these days. I recently talked about that when we talked about the most recent Flash movie.
2011 Superhero Movie Landscape
00:11:11
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That movie did gangbusters, but on that budget, it was a fucking bomb, dude. Mm hmm. Which means we could probably cover it for our end of year retrospective failed franchise starter.
00:11:24
Speaker
I would love to hear what you guys have to say about that movie because I had an absolute fucking blast. I haven't seen it. I'm waiting for it to hit max, which is pretty much what I do with superhero movies these days. I think the 25th is when it hits max. Okay. Yeah. Next Friday, dude. So like the day after this episode drops right on. So yeah, maybe I'll watch it then. Maybe I won't. I don't know. Who knows? Not me. I don't know. We'll see.
00:11:52
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Nature isn't written yet, man. That's right. No one's is. But yeah, so I that is that's my history of Michelle Gondry now as to the character of the black or the Green Hornet, Black Hornet. What the hell? Green Hornet. Watch that movie. That'd be cool. Yeah, I. My familiarity, I think I started figuring out who he was when I watched a documentary about Bruce Lee.
00:12:20
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and realize that this was Kato in the series. Yeah. Right. And I never heard of this before. And I was like, how have I never heard of this before? And they showed pictures of him in light with like the Adam West Batman and Burt Ward Robin and the two of them in there. And I was like, oh, I've never heard of this guy. So I kind of became a little interested.
00:12:37
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Saw some some comics with him as I got older and then realized that there's a connection between that character and Trendle's other creation, the Lone Ranger in that they're straight up related. Yeah, they're it's his like the Green Hornet is his great nephew or great grand nephew or something like it's kind of fucking wild. So the original MCU right there. Mm hmm. Well, and again, I as I mentioned on
The Green Hornet's Genre Confusion
00:13:05
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on last week's episode. I think it was your boy or no, it wasn't on last week. It was on it was on my appearance last week on high on cartoons is what it was this past week's episode. Go check it out.
00:13:20
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But your boy loves shared universes and always has like I love that shit. I eat that shit with a spoon. And so like I was like, wait, these characters are connected. Fuck yes, this is the best. And since they're all in the public domain, you can pretty much do whatever the fuck you want with any of those characters right now.
00:13:39
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which is fucking awesome. So if you wanted to put like the two of them and like, not Doc Savage, because Doc Savage is owned by Conde Nast, but you could like take a bunch of those pulp heroes and like pop them on a team together and just do just do that shit. Like you could absolutely make that happen. And that is fucking exciting as hell to me. But no, I was kind of interested in the character. And then I saw that this movie was coming out and I didn't
00:14:06
Speaker
I didn't know what to do with this movie when it first came out because
00:14:12
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I mean, we're it's this is like we said last week, this is the year before the the the culmination of the first phase of the MCU, the Avengers. So like the Marvel movies are kind of picking up steam, but you've also got the Christian Bale Batman movies running concurrently with those. So there are these two veins of comic book movie expense going on. I'm not as not as strong. When is first class? I'm going to look that up right now.
00:14:42
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It's possible that I'm wrong, but I feel like no first class is also this year is also 2011. X-Men first class is also 2011 would have loved to see what Matthew Vaughn did with an X-Men trilogy. Fuck he must not be named for destroying that. But you've got like that really. So I mean, this is kind of an this is the year, I think, that.
Development History of The Green Hornet
00:15:09
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trying to figure out like this is the year where we're fighting for the future the superhero movie and the next year is where that battle really takes place when it's Avengers versus Dark Knight Rises and eventually Avengers overtakes it and becomes the new normal for superhero movies going forward But this movie feels It feels kind of
00:15:33
Speaker
Lost because this movie and we'll get into this has been in development hell for 20 years by the time it finally comes out like they start kicking around the notion in 1992 and then it doesn't get made till 2011 like that's a long runtime for this movie
00:15:52
Speaker
We'll talk about actors, directors, everything that was in that process. But like this movie got kicked around so much. The rights change hands so many times. The tone of the bitch changed so many times that by the end of it, what we're left with feels really unfocused. And most of my complaints about this movie come from the script.
00:16:14
Speaker
Um, there are moments that I find really enjoyable and really glorious. And the filmmaking itself is really well done. But the script just is it can't focus on any one thing. It's trying to do too many things. And it feels like it's borrowing a lot from these past iterations of all these different scripts and trying to make something cohesive out of it and ultimately not really hitting that mark. In my mind.
Script Issues Discussion
00:16:40
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Yeah, no, no, I completely agree.
00:16:43
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On that, I think, um, I don't think it's a bad script. Uh, like I said, uh, I, like I said, I would say, I think that this would work a lot better if they made it now as a television series, because those, those switches in tone work a lot better from episode to episode than they do in one thing, you know?
00:17:07
Speaker
And you can take your time and tell the story that way, which absolutely when you've got a two hour run time. Unfortunately, when you've got like a two hour run time, you're trying to hit that run time and stick that landing. That's never going to be an easy thing to accomplish.
00:17:23
Speaker
Now, by this point, Rogan and Goldberg, the screenwriters have Superbad and Pineapple Express under their belts. So like they're pretty well established as a comedy writing duo at this point. But this is their first foray into something that maybe is not explicitly comedic on its face, that because they're the guys writing it, it ends up kind of having a comedic slant to it.
00:17:48
Speaker
Well, I think I think they kind of proved themselves with pineapple express in a way to where they could.
00:17:55
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take their comedy writing and still make some pretty good and well-made action set pieces as well. And that's the thing about this movie, is you've got two hours, right? You've got a whole lot of story. But you also, you got, you have to, this is the kind of movie that you have to have those action set pieces, man.
00:18:18
Speaker
And every single one is mind blowing and they nail every single one, which is we need more of the in between. We need more of it and we need it to to be paced better. The pacing is so off. The whole movie, the pacing is so fucking off.
00:18:35
Speaker
This movie starts off with a bang and then in the middle, you're like, I might take a nap. And then like maybe 10 minutes later, you're like, OK, I'm back into this. What's up? Like it's all over the fucking place. It is. And again, I think unfocused is the right word. And I that's not my word. I read that in a review as I was researching for this gloriously unfocused, I think, was what it was, was what the line was.
Cameron Diaz's Limited Role
00:18:59
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And honestly, that works. That works really well because this movie is not
00:19:04
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It's not cohesive. There's a perfunctory female character because we kind of need one. Question mark. Cameron Diaz needs a job, I guess. You know what? Let's fucking talk Cameron Diaz because this is, if memory serves, this is toward the end of her big screen run.
00:19:28
Speaker
Um, she kind of retires a few years after this. Um, so yeah, she retires in 2014 after she does Annie in 20. I mean, she was getting to a certain age, you know, the right, which is a shitty thing about Hollywood.
00:19:43
Speaker
No, I was talking about the movie. That's what. Oh, yeah, that is what Seth Rogen says. But fuck Hollywood at the same time. A great way. Like, I love Seth Rogen, this movie and I love his chemistry with dude, what plays Kato. I think they're both really nailing it. It's just a damn shame. Yeah. The script was not there to support them in the way that it should have been because I think they're fucking phenomenal, both of them. So 2014, the year she retired, she does the other woman sex tape and Annie.
00:20:10
Speaker
in 2014, which is not a great note to go out on. 2011, I mean, she's just done the last Shrek movie the year before. She also does the Tom Cruise film. The contractual obligation, yeah. Right, the Tom Cruise film Night and Day. Night and Day, yeah. And then she does a shit ton of Shrek shorts, the Scared Shrekless, Donkey's Christmas Shrektacular, and Shrek's Yule Log.
00:20:39
Speaker
sign up for him, you got to do him. That's it. And then in 2011, she does this and Bad Teacher 2012. It's what to expect when you're expecting. There was a whole run of movies. I think I've I've said this recently on this podcast. There's a whole run of movies where it's bad and then occupation or like a role. It's Bad Santa, Bad Teacher, Bad Moms, Bad Moms. You've got Bad Grandmoms. Yeah. Yeah.
00:21:07
Speaker
Bad everything, bad everything. It's just a whole genre. And it's an entire sub genre of films like bad fill in the blank. Don't let that keep you from watching Bad Santa, Stephen, because Bad Santa is a goddamn masterpiece. You've said that before. Don't there's no sequel to it. I don't care what anybody says. There was never a sequel made. Oh, don't go looking for it. And then she's first one. After that, she kind of starts to peter out. She does what to expect when you're expecting in 2012.
00:21:36
Speaker
Another another direct to video Shrek movie, along with a. Something called the Liars Autobiography, she does the voice of Sigmund Freud in a is this a Graham Chapman biopic or documentary. About the Monty Python's Graham Chapman, it looks like it's a documentary of sorts. Called a Liars Autobiography, the untrue story of Monty Python's Graham Chapman.
00:22:07
Speaker
animation comedy and animated factually incorrect biography of Graham Arthur Chapman, one of the founding members of comedy group Monty Python. She apparently is the voice of Sigmund Freud for that. She does a movie called Gambit in 2012 and then in 2013 it's what in a world and the counselor and then she does that run in 2014 and she's done. She's done one thing since then and it's the boss bitch fight challenge in 2020.
00:22:33
Speaker
And then she's supposed to be, she's in post-production on a movie called Back in Action, which is her and Jamie Foxx and Glenn Close and Kyle Chandler and Andrew Scott, apparently. I hate to pull back the curtain, Steven, but I have to admit that I was just peeing because you just talked about that Graham Chapman movie and it's both. It's both and it's amazing and watch it right now.
00:22:56
Speaker
Okay, I've never, yeah, I don't know anything about it. In fact, I was on another screen, so I didn't even know that you'd left, because my screen was filled up with other things. I made a P. I see that now. I get an M&M now.
00:23:12
Speaker
Well, I'll leave that to you to find because I don't know where you keep them. But yeah, like this is like toward the end of Cameron Diaz's run. And honestly, it kind of feels like it. Like she's kind of wasted in this movie. Like the star of her caliber to do something like this just feels very thankless and just kind of like one of those, I don't know, these make money. So I guess it could be in one of these.
00:23:35
Speaker
Like she had not done a superhero movie since the mask in 1994. And that's I would I would argue that I wouldn't really call that a superhero movie. I would be more apt to call that a comic book movie. I mean, yeah, fair. And honestly, this is not really a comic book movie because the Green Hornet started as a radio drama.
00:23:57
Speaker
Oh, and P.S. in the world in a world is very awesome as well. I agree. Fred, Fred Melamed in that movie is fucking incredible. Let's be honest, though. Fred Melamed, when's he bad? Like, I've never seen Fred Melamed give a bad performance. You still haven't watched Barry, so you haven't seen another one of his good performances. Oh, I haven't. You know what his best performance is, though?
00:24:20
Speaker
What's that? Lay it on me, Steven. I mean, if you if you really think about it, you'll be able to figure it out pretty quickly. But I'll just go ahead and tell you. I am a man in a serious man. Fuck, yeah. I was going to say, I knew if you thought about it for half a second, you'd get there. He's just like the nicest asshole. And that is so great in that movie. Like, I love the fact he's like, yes, I've been having an affair with your wife. No, it's not a big deal. Yes, let's all talk about it and be friends like.
00:24:50
Speaker
In that movie, he's in the costumes they put him in are so fucking incredible. Like I want to do a Si Abelman cosplay right now. Um, I'm not Jewish and I feel like that would be appropriation. So I probably shouldn't, but God, I want that so much. No, every Jewish person would approve. I don't know your heart for the right place. I don't think they do. Um, and I don't even know if it is. I just really want to talk to him.
00:25:16
Speaker
Oh, hi, it's me, Tucker. I'd like to speak to the Jewish community, please. Oh, God. That's something I could do. And this is the day we all get canceled. Hey, you know, I've been invited to several barbecues, but I've never been invited to a bar mitzvah. So maybe Jewish. OK, I have to say it like I don't know if you missed the first part of what
Steven's Kosher Food Interest
00:25:41
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I said. Yeah, but.
00:25:44
Speaker
There are several groups I'm not a part of that I'm invited to the party. I've never been to a Jewish function. It makes me a little sad, honestly.
00:25:53
Speaker
Because I think that shit's interesting as hell. There are a lot of grocery stores that cater to I live in a community now that is has a large Jewish population. And so a lot of the grocery stores I go to have huge kosher sections. And I love digging into the kosher sections because kosher shit is good. Like I like kosher. I like eating kosher. Like it's it's good. It's good stuff. So.
00:26:18
Speaker
Yeah, but yeah, saya woman, that guy fucking rules like the hero we don't deserve, but absolutely need to have it. Even when he dies, even when he dies, he's still there to fucking just like. Go at it. Wow. And speaking of Jewish superheroes, the Green Hornet.
00:26:37
Speaker
Seth Rogen as the Green Hornet, who I don't think he was, I mean, the actual character of Brett Reed, the original Green Hornet, very wasp-ish. Rogen making it his own. Honestly, there are times when I think Rogen is a bit miscast here, and then there are other times when he makes me buy it.
00:26:59
Speaker
He hates it for sure. Like they're where I'm like Seth Rogen action star. Really? And by the end, I'm like, OK, I kind of see this. And honestly, by the end of the movie, I kind of want more like nothing. I want this movie to be longer, but I kind of want another one of these. I'd watch it. I'd watch the shit out of it. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
00:27:21
Speaker
Uh, to jump ahead to the sequel, we haven't done in fucking ages, but probably should have been doing since the beginning, but we're doing it now. Whatever. Uh, I would say yes, then also shut up, especially shut up. But I would say yes, absolutely. This movie deserves to have a sequel. Give me the sequel. You could work the bugs out of it. And based on what I've heard, it was basically studio, not interference, but negligence that really led to this movie not doing well.
00:27:50
Speaker
And we'll get into all of that. But before we continue, Tucker, do you want to do some background on the movie first or do you want to just get the plot out of the way?
00:27:58
Speaker
Let's get the plot out of the way because that frees us to do whatever the fuck we want. Right on. Get out that Canadian quarter of indifference. Well, I explained the plot in 60 seconds. That is the part of the show where we Tucker and myself and Brett, when he's here, will toss a coin or roll a die to determine which of us will be recounting the plot of 2011's The Green Hornet in 60 seconds or less, giving off the 30 and 10 second warnings as needed.
00:28:27
Speaker
But, yeah, so Tucker is going to go ahead and flip that Canadian quarter of indifference to determine which of us it shall be. Indeed, the queen is heads. DeMouss' tales. Call it in the air, Steven. We're going to go tails. It is heads. Bitch. All right. Put 60 seconds on the clock, then, and I will knock this mofo out. I got to do that. This is a weirdly plot dense movie, a weirdly plot dense movie.
00:28:58
Speaker
It's a minute or an hour. How do I work timers? Oh, there we go. OK, I don't want to work time. Speaking of time, I finally re-upped my membership into the Kit Kat clock family. Hmm. I can get clock there. I do. Yeah. A wagon and it's a little back and forth. It's a little pseudo Felix. Yeah. Yeah, dude. I had one of those back in the day and I left it somewhere and it is.
00:29:25
Speaker
Got destroyed. 60 seconds. Pretty much 60 seconds are on the clock. Steven, you I will start this timer when you start speaking about the plot of this film.
00:29:35
Speaker
A millionaire playboy, Britt Reid, is a heir to a multimedia newspaper conglomerate. His father passes away. His father who's given him shit his whole life, so he has to kind of step up. The guy who makes the coffee, he accidentally fired, so he hires him back. That guy's name is Cato. He also works in the cars. Turns out he's a fucking genius. And so Britt decides, hey, let's fight crime together.
00:29:55
Speaker
And so they do, except they decide to do it by pretending to be bad guys, but actually doing good shit. So as his newspaper, he writes about the Green Hornet, who is his superhero alter ego. He wants to call himself the Green Bee with that shitty. Eventually, he comes up against a guy named Chodnovsky, who is a Russian gangster who wants to be feared, but is really kind of laughable.
00:30:17
Speaker
played by Kristoff Altz, that's really weird. Turns out the DA's working with him. They decide to take out the green hornet together. Why do I keep calling the black hornet the green hornet together? 10 seconds. And eventually they're unsuccessful, because they use the car that Kato made to completely destroy all the bad guys. Everyone dies. And the green hornet lives to fight another day as a hero. That's it. I don't know how to turn this off. OK, I turned it off. I was going to say, you turned on your calculator weirdly. That was bizarre.
00:30:48
Speaker
Hi, it's me. But yeah, that's basically the movie, right? And there's a whole thing about how the DA was blackmailing his father at one point. There's that whole thing comes in, so it kind of redeems his relationship with his dad. Yeah, it turns out that his dad was a dick, but not in the way that they thought. Right.
00:31:07
Speaker
Just, you know, a dick in terms of his relationship with his son, not a dick in terms of his relationship with the truth. And let me tell you, the scene at the end where they put the head back on the statue should have been mid credits. Agreed. It sucked as an ending. Agreed. It would have been amazing as a mid credits.
00:31:24
Speaker
or an end credits, like one of those two. Absolutely. I completely agree with you there. But no, I agree. It absolutely does not work as an ending to this movie should have been at least a mid or if not an end credit scene. Absolutely. Because it starts with him entering going, Kato, forget everything we just did. This is the most important thing we've ever done.
00:31:45
Speaker
Nevermind that this movie, like the first thing they do together is basically the worst thing Bart Simpson's ever done, which is saw the head off of a statue. Nevermind that. Wow. Well, hey. It all comes back to the Simpsons. Simpsons did it, as they say. You know, it was nice to see in this movie. What's that? Was Eddie Furlong working, man? He got arrested hours after the premiere.
00:32:14
Speaker
I know. And you know what? I'm not defending anything that he's done because he's done some fucked up shit. He has. He has. He was arrested after the premiere for violating a restraining order. Yes, he has done some domestic abuse stuff and I do not condone that. I think that's terrible. That is. But when you when you read, when you read a lot about what happened to him as a child star. Mm hmm.
00:32:41
Speaker
I'm not saying it explains that, but it does make you draw some lines. Sure. You know, and I just I I feel bad for the people that he has hurt. But I also feel bad for him just knowing what he went through like as a kid. Yeah. And that fucking sucks because this dude had a fucking future. And he did.
00:33:03
Speaker
And you know what? Furlong is the shit. As an actor, the shit. He's a talented actor, too. Like, T2, he's incredible in American History X. American History X. Fucking terrifying. Like, him and Ed Norton both deserved Oscar nominations for that movie. Norton got one. I don't think Furlong did, but like, he deserved one. Like, he should have gotten one. He's so good in that movie. That movie, one of those movies I can only watch one time. I saw it once. I don't need to see it again. I'm good. I'm good. I don't need to watch that again.
00:33:31
Speaker
My final thought on Eddie Furlong is I hope that one day he gets the help he needs and that he gets the redemption arc that I think he fucking deserves. I want to see this guy and shit because Eddie Furlong, even as a kid, dude, he's nailing it.
00:33:52
Speaker
I don't like the dialogue that he gets in T2, but he's at least doing what he can with some really shitty teen dialogue written by a 40 year old man. One of the few things James Cameron cannot do is write dialogue for children.
00:34:09
Speaker
And I mean, he's still, he's still in shit. Like he's in a couple of movies coming out this year that have come out this year. There's one that I saw was very highly rated. So maybe he's on the comeback. I'm way into that. Yeah. Like I, I hope he is. And again, I hope he's gotten the help he needs. Um, but honestly, a lot of the stuff he's done, not, not really great. Like, um, he's in the Uva bull movie assault on wall street.
00:34:33
Speaker
Which was the movie that kept popping up when I wanted to, on Amazon Prime, when I wanted to watch David, uh, David Cronenberg's Cosmopolis. I kept getting that instead. I'm like, this is not what I want. And I, I tweeted about it and Uvobol's podcast host like caught it because he just apparently searches for the guy's name and like retweeted it and tagged Uvobol in it and Uvobol saw it and liked it. And I was like, fuck.
00:34:56
Speaker
That's the last thing. There's a reason we've not covered in any Uva Bull films on this podcast yet. And it's because I don't want to fucking get on Uva Bull's shit list. I do because then maybe he'll come on the show. I'm sure he's a nice guy.
Avoiding Uwe Boll Films
00:35:11
Speaker
Okay. Nice, lovely people make shitty movies sometimes. I don't know. Given how reactionary I have heard that he gets on the internet, I don't know how true that is. Well, I don't know anything about it. If you know more than me, then I'll trust your judgment and say, yeah, no thanks.
00:35:26
Speaker
I'll just say there's a reason we haven't because there are we could probably do a month of movable films. We don't want to. Hey, but no good. I mean, it's all good press, right? Like that would bump up our numbers, though, potentially. But I don't want to. You don't you don't have to manage our social media accounts. I do. And that is everything else. Like, yeah, all those guests that you're scheduling.
00:35:53
Speaker
What, me? I don't know what you're talking about. I would never schedule a guest, not behind your back, Steven. I know. That's the point. Anyway, look, there's a division of labor that we have agreed on before we set out on this endeavor. And I'm always just teasing. If I didn't want to do what I do, I just wouldn't fucking do it. You wouldn't fucking do it. You would have said no every time we offered you that that coho spot. So, yeah.
00:36:23
Speaker
Eventually I said yes. Eventually you said yes. It took a few months, but we got you. It was a hard sell, yeah. It was not just us. It took our friend JP Lech to chime in there too. He'll be coming on soon. I'll be good to talk to him again. I can't wait. I'm so excited. Speaking of a movie we might possibly cover with him, I borrowed that to a coworker.
00:36:47
Speaker
Uh, the other day, and I can't wait to hear what she says about it. And if they watch it before we record the episode on this unknown film that I'm talking about, I will definitely include their take on it. Secondhand, of course. Of course. Of course. Right on. I look forward to that. And you'll hear our takes on that movie as well.
00:37:09
Speaker
So it's a big fan of torque. And if you're a big fan of torque, come on, man. And for those of you who lost track of how many weeks there have been in this month, we're on week four and there's still one more week in August. So that means we got a Tucker's choice next week. This one in November to Stephen. I know. There's four a year going to be fun. That one's going to. There's four a year. We give you four chances to pick an episode every year.
00:37:35
Speaker
You know, what if instead of having my own Patreon show, what if I just took over for those fifth Sundays? Fifth Thursdays?
00:37:44
Speaker
Same thing. We record on Sundays, Ding Dong. That's why I said Sundays. I know I'm wrong. I know I'm wrong, Steven. Let me be wrong. Let me do it. I was trying. You can't find me. I don't know. I've just been thinking about that lately since we can't seem to get my Patreon show off the ground. And since I do kind of have a soapbox, you know, every time that there's a Fifth Thursday, might as well, you know, just kind of try to put those two things together.
00:38:13
Speaker
It's possible. Maybe we'll see what happens. We do keep tuning in listener to find out what happens. We're going to we're going to have to have a band meeting one of these days and whatever that is, we'll figure it out. But yeah, the Green Hornet, that's a movie we watched. Yeah.
00:38:29
Speaker
Yeah, man, like so this so this movie, it it be Hollywood starts talking about doing a Green Hornet movie in 1992.
Early Attempts for Green Hornet Film
00:38:39
Speaker
Part of that's when they were doing like The Shadow and the Phantom and shit. That's exactly.
00:38:46
Speaker
The radio shows were trying to make movies. The fallout from the Batman, the success of Batman led Hollywood to go, you know what? Old timey heroes from the 40s. That's what the kids love. Nope. It's not comic book heroes, not modern comic book heroes as Batman was at the time. Right.
00:39:06
Speaker
I love studio execs, man. I fucking love it. And it was because Batman was popular in the 30s and 40s when these guys were kids. So they're like, what other shit did I love as a kid? It's always been popular. You can't put it in one decade. These old guys are just like, what else? What else did I love when I was a kid that we can bring back?
00:39:27
Speaker
This shit is that's why we get Dick Tracy the next year. That's why we get the Phantom and the shadow. And like, that's why that happens in that in that time period is because of that, because of Batman, which, again, is the most mind boggling fucking thing. But whatever it happened. Yeah, we're going to be all in the shadow at some point. And I'm very excited to see that because I've always wanted to ever since the shadow came out, I've always wanted to see it. But I've just never, you know, who's in the shadow.
00:39:56
Speaker
Alec Baldwin. You know who else is in the shadow? Not Alec Baldwin. Sir Ian McKellen in one of his very first American film roles.
00:40:08
Speaker
Yeah, it's fucking wild. That movie, that movie is problematic on levels and it is really fucking weird on others. I can't wait to see it. I haven't seen it since I was a kid. I also I also had the novelization, like the junior novelization of The Shadow back when they used to make those. So this movie is in like begins development in 1992 and Eddie Murphy is lobbying hard to play the Green Hornet.
00:40:38
Speaker
I'd watch that. Eddie Murphy really wants to play the Green Hornet. They finally start circling a filmmaker who they actually are circling Michel Gondry around this time. It's supposed to come out in 1997 and it's supposed to start George Clooney as the shadow. This would have or as the Green Hornet. This would have been a watch that too.
00:41:02
Speaker
This would have been a couple of years before Batman and Robin, and it would actually would have been the movie he would have done instead of Batman and Robin. But eventually they dragged their feet on it so long that he leaves to do Batman and Robin. So which, of course, is the last time he ever does a superhero movie. Well, is it, Steven, is it?
00:41:26
Speaker
Not counting a movie we might cover at the end of this year, but he, um, hint, wink, nudge. Tucker's pulling on his eyelid. They know more. So this would have been actually Gondry's directorial debut had he done it at that time.
00:41:49
Speaker
Um, it eventually changes hands. I think at that point, I actually wrote all this shit down. Let me pull up these notes on my phone because I do have all of these notes typed in. You made notes. I did. I actually made notes for this podcast. So much. I love you guys. I is adorable. So Clooney leaves and Greg Kinnear steps on board. I'd watch that, too. And around this time, I think it's supposed to be him and Jason Scott Lee as Cato.
00:42:19
Speaker
with Michelle Gandhi directing, which would be a freaking cool movie. Every iteration of this so far, it just sounds amazing. Like I'd watch every version of this movie.
00:42:31
Speaker
So that's being developed at Universal. That falls apart. They decide to stop development on that, move on to something else. The rights drop out. They end up getting bought up by Miramax, by those delightful little scams. I'm sorry, I misread that. It's raging assholes at Miramax. And they buy it up. And Harvey Weinstein announces, human pile of excrement, Harvey Weinstein announces that he's going to give that to his golden boy, Kevin Smith.
00:43:00
Speaker
to write and direct and Smith was one of his trio of golden boys that right. Yes, him, Tarantino and Rodriguez, the trifecta of Miramax in the late 90s. But to be alive. Right.
00:43:16
Speaker
But because I like all three of those filmmakers. Oh, no, sure. But the ones. But I like all this to be there. I was there, man. When when all those guys were at the top of their game, man. And seriously, what a fucking time to be alive. It's a crazy time.
00:43:31
Speaker
So Kevin Smith, he's sworn off making a superhero movie for multiple reasons, not least of which is his infamous Superman Lives experience, working with the studio, John Peters, the expectations of fans. But he's like, I like the fact that this guy's Batman before Batman. I like the fact that the expectations on this thing are not nearly as high as they would be for an established or more established, well known hero. I kind of like it. And the script that he
00:44:01
Speaker
develops would have a younger Green Hornet to be played by Jake Gyllenhaal. And that one would have been the son of the original Green Hornet and the original Green Hornet and Cato would basically be retired. And so Britt Reid Jr. and the daughter of Cato basically become the new Green Hornet and Cato. The original Cato in that one was supposed to be played by Jet Li. I like that idea. That's kind of cool.
00:44:31
Speaker
I don't know who the older. Who the older. Green Hornet would have been the older. Stan Lee senior. God, no. Michael Rooker. Honestly, I could see them putting like I could see him putting Carlin in there. Yeah, Rooker Rooker is actually a good call that Rooker would fucking kill that. Well, at the time he didn't have a relationship with Carlin. That's why I said Rooker. Yeah.
00:44:59
Speaker
Yeah, he develops it. He develops that relationship post chasing Amy, which is when he was talking about. Yeah. Yeah. He starts to establish a lot of his like bigger name connections at that point. I mean, him and Affleck kind of and Damon all kind of come up together. But once he connects with them and their later after they win their Oscar and Dogma comes out, they're pretty much he's able to get all sorts of people through them.
00:45:25
Speaker
Um, Gyllenhaal eventually drops out and then Wahlberg steps in as Green Hornet. Don't know if I would have watched that one. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Maybe it would be good. Who knows? Um, but I'm not as sure about it as the other one.
00:45:44
Speaker
At some point, Ron Underwood is attached to direct. It's the guy behind, like, Mighty Joe Young. And he was very big in the early 90s. After him. They hand the project at some point, the Korean actor song song who Kwon, I'm butchering that pronunciation and I apologize, is in talks to play Kato.
00:46:13
Speaker
After that falls apart, after Underwood drops out, it goes to Taiwanese director Steven Chao, who is going to direct opposite Seth Rogen.
00:46:31
Speaker
And that's kind of like going to be in it, though, right? Right. He was going to be Cato. Yeah. So he was going to be Cato. And then Rogan was going to be Rogan was basically going to star and write. Chow was going to star and direct. And it would have been his first American film. And ultimately, they drop out because of creative differences based on what I heard. He wanted there to be he wanted Cato to implant the Green Hornet with a microchip.
00:47:01
Speaker
Which then Kato would control with a joystick. No, just it's a very Stephen Chow thing. It just doesn't work for this material. Yeah, that's like a very Stephen Chow idea. Half of the whole like draw of it. Mm hmm. It takes it away because I think especially with this film, I think what what is really interesting about it is that it's all Kato.
00:47:30
Speaker
Kato does all of it in and and Brit just kinda he's just there. He's he's kind of a I mean, you can bounce ideas off of him. And yeah, he thought about the ejector seat. But Kato, it's all Kato. Let's be honest. 98 percent of everything that happens that goes positively for them is Kato. If Brit was not white and did not have money, Kato, he would be the sidekick and Kato would be the lead.
00:48:00
Speaker
Well, and that's the thing. That's that's what Britt brings to it. He's like Batman with no talent. Exactly. He needs he needs talent. He needs to get somebody in there to like help the kids. Absolutely. If anybody is the joystick, it's going to be Britt. Like that's why that's such a stupid fucking idea. Yeah.
00:48:18
Speaker
I would not watch that. Absolutely not. So that's why they got rid of Stephen Chow. At one point they were talking to James Wan before getting Michelle Gondry back to direct. I think Michelle Gondry really wanted Vince Vaughn. That would be interesting. I think like Vince Vaughn was in the conversation at one point.
00:48:41
Speaker
I could go either way. I'd be interesting to see where it would go for sure. Right. But before finally landing on on Michelle Gondry, Seth Rogen as the Green Hornet and they get. Taiwanese singer. Yeah, he's a pop star. He is. He's the king of Mando Pop is what I read on his Wikipedia page.
00:49:05
Speaker
Like Mandarin Pop, like he is the master, like he is to to Mando Pop what like BTS is to like K-pop or what Taylor Swift is to AMPOP. Like that's just like he's in it. I did. Yeah. All right. Do you like that?
00:49:23
Speaker
I did. I did, actually. That's why I mentioned it. That was kind of rad. You kept it going with the and then you just kind of threw your own in there. It was easy to understand, even though it was brand new. We'd never heard it before. Well done, Steven. Put that in lexicon, everybody. Everybody just call and pop now. I'm way into it. That's what I'm going to do from now on. People like they're like, what? I'm like, yeah, American pop because there's, you know, different kinds of pop.
00:49:44
Speaker
Kpop J pop Mando pop like it's a whole thing. There's look this world is bigger than just this country people You don't say there's life outside of our borders. I Can't believe this tell me more Steven. I don't have that kind of time Tucker At one point they were talking to Abby Cornish to play Lenore and
00:50:07
Speaker
And then they, of course, the biggest place in the door, honestly, it's nothing hard. It's a nothing part. It is which sucks that the female lead is given a grand total of no things to do over the course of the movie. And I love how like they try to make up for that at the end to be like, you're the fucking mastermind. It's like, shut the fuck up. Yeah, that's lip service is what that is. She helped you with some research. Yeah. Cato is the mastermind. That's the point.
00:50:35
Speaker
She's fucking Barbara Gordon in a wheelchair at best. Yeah. So and then, of course, the big name that was attached to the movie hired for this movie dropped out of this movie was, of course, the original Chudnovsky.
Nicolas Cage's Near-Involvement
00:50:53
Speaker
Do you know about this? I know not of this. Please give me this. They originally wanted Nicholas Cage. To play Chudnovsky.
00:51:04
Speaker
I he. OK, I could see that, especially like in that opening scene and all the like scenes where he's he's he he knows he's the ship, but he also has like that insecurity about him. Nick Cage would have fucking mopped the floor with that shit. His initial plan was to perform the entire role with a Jamaican accent. Such that he was really pissed
00:51:32
Speaker
at Seth Rogen when he saw James Franco in Spring Breakers because he becomes convinced that Franco stole his idea for that movie.
00:51:46
Speaker
That's a wild movie, Spring Breakers. Never seen it. I am. I am. In fact, I have there is a giant blind spot in my filmography, in my film viewing around the person of Harmony Careen for many reasons. I have never seen a Harmony Careen film. Breakers is just it's something, man. That's that's what I've heard. And it's the main reason why I've not watched it yet, honestly. I don't I couldn't tell you if it's good or if it's bad, but damn it, Steven, it is.
00:52:12
Speaker
You've never seen anything like it. That's what I've heard. So eventually Nick Cage drops out of the movie because he didn't like the character as written because he didn't want to play a character who just went around and just killed people to kill them.
00:52:31
Speaker
He wanted to discover the humanity in there to really dig into why he was doing these things and to give it some kind of motive. Because he's a fucking real actor. And he wanted something that he could play that made sense to him. And he said, unfortunately, there just wasn't time to develop that. So I had to leave the project. But there exists somewhere in this world a version of this movie where Nicolas Cage is playing Chudnovsky with a fucking Jamaican accent. And it probably makes seven billion dollars.
00:53:02
Speaker
One dollar for every person in this godforsaken rock. I'm into it. I'm way into it. Instead, they they casted a thing of the moment, Christoph Waltz, Academy Award winner, Christoph. That's not to take anything away from Christoph Waltz, but literally the only reason he was cast in this movie.
00:53:23
Speaker
is because Inglorious Basterds hit. Correct. Yeah. And everybody knew who the fuck he was then. Yeah. Like right after that hit, he was in every movie and this was one of them. Yeah. He was a huge he was a huge fucking deal off of Inglorious Basterds. This is actually his immediate follow up to Inglorious Basterds.
00:53:44
Speaker
You know how they talk about like the Oscar slump, like you win an Oscar and then the very next project you take is like shit. Like we talked about that when we talked about Catwoman because Catwoman was Holly Berry's Oscar follow-up. Like this is his follow-up and you're just like, what? I don't know if I called this shit though, but I understand what you're saying. But no, but his performance here versus his performance in Inglorious Bastards, like his performance in Inglorious Bastards.
00:54:09
Speaker
He is in glorious bastards. Like, yeah, Brad Pitt is in it. Yeah. Michael, what's his Michael Fassbender is in it. But is in it. You like the marriage? You sure he is. Eli Roth is there. I don't know if he's in anything nice. Even you'd be nice. You know who that role was written for, Tucker? Adam Sandler. Yeah. You know, I just guessed. Oh, no.
00:54:37
Speaker
You know who would have fucking killed that role? Yeah, dude. Adam Sandler. You've ruined that movie for me because of that bit of perspective, Steven. Thank you very much. You're welcome.
00:54:47
Speaker
And that's why no problem with Eli Roth until you know, you do that revelation. So I absolutely had a problem with it because he's trying to do a fucking Brooklyn accent. And I'm just like, wait, he's a bear. This is the guy you call the bear. Do you really this funny about it? I don't know. I mean, little asshole. Yeah. But but no, like and yeah, Diane Kruger is in that movie. And what's Daniel Broulle is in that movie, but like
00:55:15
Speaker
Mike Myers in that movie. In that movie. True. Yeah. Speaking of SNL alumni. Yeah. In that movie. In that movie. But that is Christoph Waltz's movie. Like he just, he is from the first scene. He walks in and goes, I'll be taking it from here fellas.
00:55:33
Speaker
And like I love that Tarantino almost didn't make the movie because he thought he'd written an unplayable villain in in Hans Landa. And then Christoph Waltz and he goes, oh, OK, it's this guy. Got it. All right. Cool. He nails it. He does. He knocks it fucking out of the park. He's so fucking good. And then he wins a second Oscar for Django Unchained, which is again fucking wild. He's really good at that. It's not one of my it's one of my lesser favorite Quentin Tarantino films, but he fucking knocks out of the park.
00:56:02
Speaker
He's in so many movies we can cover on this podcast. He's in The Three Musketeers, the Paul W. Sanderson Three Musketeers. He's in the DreamWorks film epic. The Legend of Tarzan, he's one of the villains in that. He's already been an elite of battle angel, which we've covered. He just fucking shows up.
00:56:24
Speaker
in shit and just yeah he's in the french dispatch too i know i've said this before but the first french dispatch while being one of the most west anderson films ever made it's also one of the least west anderson films ever made tonally like visually it's incredibly west anderson but tonally
00:56:45
Speaker
Kind of it's dark, man. The French Dispatch is Wes Anderson's dark movie. And I fucking loved it. That's what kind of reignited my love for Wes Anderson, because after the Royal Tannenbaums, I was like, yeah, Steve Zeece was fine. But it just kind of seemed like he was getting in a pattern that I just didn't really. It just kind of seemed all kind of samey. Moonrise Kingdom and whatever, you know, stop animations, stop motion animation stuff was really good.
00:57:14
Speaker
But he just kind of seemed like he got into sort of a holding pattern and then motherfucking French dispatch comes out. Grand Budapest was the one that I heard that everyone was like, oh my God, this thing's so good. And I just never saw it. I am quoted as when I saw this film as saying Wes Anderson's head has disappeared so far up his own ass.
00:57:37
Speaker
that he somehow made a perfect film. Oh, my God. That's hilarious. It's true. And like, that's why like I was there like opening weekend to see the the. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:57:51
Speaker
And it was fucking phenomenal. And there's so many layers of that film. I think that he's finally able to match the intensity of what he's trying to do visually with a script that makes it all fucking worth it. That's where Wes Anderson is right now. And I'm fucking pumped.
00:58:13
Speaker
OK, because I've been with him since Bottle Rocket. I liked his shit back before he even knew who the fuck he was. Right. You're you're amazing. Right. Yeah. But like everything from Royal Tannenbaums to French Dispatch. I wrote Tannenbaums is the film of his that I've seen that I like. That was the one where I was like, ah, you may have lost me. That's the one that I own. And I just I loved that is Gene Hackman's last great movie.
00:58:42
Speaker
is the Royal Times. That is the that is the last great Gene Hackman performance in my mind. RIP Gene Hackman. He's still alive. He's just retired. Is he doing anything? He's retired, man. He's in his 90s. Let the man let the man relax. You know, when I get him and Dennis Hopper mixed up a lot, and that's why I said I.
00:59:04
Speaker
Oh, yeah, Dennis Hopper. Definitely. You know what movie you should watch that that has that has Gene Hackman in them. Oh, OK. Let's say is there a movie with both of them in it because I'll watch that.
00:59:15
Speaker
Um, I mean, there might be, but no, I was thinking of the French connection, the movie we were talking about behind the pay. Yeah. Well, you're you're Billy Freeds movie. Yeah, Billy, Billy Freeds. But yeah, like it's after Royal Tenenbaums, it's behind enemy lines. I saw it. Not that good. Runaway Jury, which I used to own, but I don't think I ever saw. And then his final film, Welcome to Mooseport.
00:59:36
Speaker
Um, with Ray Romano with Ray Romano. Yeah, that movie's all right. It's a, it's a Sunday afternoon kind of movie. It's not much of a movie. It's just kind of there after that. He kind of looked around at the roles out there and went, you know what? Not the thing really here anymore. I'm going to go ahead and peace out. And so he did. I could take it.
00:59:57
Speaker
But yeah, dudes, dudes like well into his 90s, I think, like let let the man let the man enjoy his retirement because speaking of Gene Hackman. So I'm not going to tell you tell our audience what the movie was that we were supposed to cover this week because we are going to be covering it within the next month. I am going to say it was directed by Tony Scott. And my favorite Tony Scott movie is Enemy of the State.
01:00:22
Speaker
and Gene Hackman movie. Oh my God, dude. Him and Will Smith. I love the way they play off each other because it's just like I would expect them to be like in real life as Will Smith and Gene Hackman like Will Smith just Will Smith ended up in Gene Hackman being like shut the fuck up.
01:00:41
Speaker
I love that movie and I love them in that movie. Every scene with them in it is just a fucking delight. I think it was for the movie Runaway Jerry, but I remember my theater professor in college talking about an interview he was watching with Hackman and Dustin Hoffman talking about their process.
01:00:59
Speaker
And Hoffman, of course, is extremely method. So he's just sitting there like talking through like the through line of the scene and all this shit. And he said, Hackman's just kind of sitting next to him, just kind of just like bored out of his mind. Like Chris Pine in that Harry Styles interview where this movie feels like a movie, like very much in that kind of vein.
01:01:17
Speaker
Um, and I just, I was like, I want to see this interview because it's just strikes me as hilarious because that's not Hackman's process at all. And it's, it's absolutely Hoffman's and has been Hoffman's from day one because that's how he learned. Like so many of these guys come out of the Meisner or the, the, uh, Liv Ullman or any of these other, like.
01:01:36
Speaker
These schools are Adler, Irene Adler, not Irene Adler. That's the fucking character from Sherlock Holmes. Stella, Stella Adler. There you go. Out of out of these out of these schools. So like, you know, because that's how Brando did it and all these guys are like, oh, I like that guy. I'm going to do what he did. And so they study the method. So, yeah, that's and but yeah, Hackman just bored out of his fucking mind and I love it.
01:02:06
Speaker
You know, if they'd have made a Green Hornet movie in the sixties, Hackman would have been a fucking great Green Hornet. I'd watch this shit. I'd watch that twice in a row, probably. Hell yeah.
01:02:17
Speaker
that, I mean, they did make a Green Hornet TV show in the 60s, starring Van Williams. No, it was Van Williams was the Green Hornet in that one. And after that, he decided, I'm pretty much done with acting. And he, you know what? He pretty much was after that, because he'd made some really smart business investments. And so didn't really need to act anymore. And he was like, I don't really like it anyway. So fuck you all. They offered him a cameo in this movie as a cemetery guard. And he said, no.
01:02:45
Speaker
I think, I mean, I think that's kind of a shame. I respect his decision, but also it is nice to. It's always nice to see no matter how cheesy or kind of put upon it feels to see the original actors come in like with Wonder Woman 84.
01:03:04
Speaker
Yeah, Linda Carter come in like even it was fucking stupid, but it's just it's really nice to see them like have them there in the modern thing like with Lou Ferrigno and every fucking Hulk movie. Yes. Like he's a security guard and like I'm here for it. Like I just want to see him. I just want to be like, oh, yeah. Yeah. High five. Let's move on. Mm hmm. And I just wish that homeboy would have come in and done this movie. I would have known who the fuck he was, but I would have known that he was there and I would have been like, yeah, I feel
01:03:31
Speaker
feel a little something in my cold, dead heart. It feels like a blessing from the previous generation to the new one when that happened. Like even when and even when it's something bigger, like James Garner in maverick, where you've got like the guy who played maverick like playing amazing in that, but it's like a passing of the torch. And I think that's the most perfect example of that because you literally have the two playing opposite each other. And now of course, they're
01:03:56
Speaker
He's playing a he's not playing Maverick, but then at the end, it kind of is like maybe he's he is playing the same run. I think I posit this on that episode, like maybe he's just playing the exact same role. And that's Brett Maverick Jr. is that he's the Maverick from the show and then the Mel Gibson character is his son, like easily could have worked. And that's why I will watch every Shaft movie, every Shaft reboot or remake with Richard Rountree in it.
01:04:25
Speaker
Hands down. I don't know if I see the trailer and it looks like under garbage. I don't care. Richard Roundtree is there. Blessing. Let's watch it. Let's do it. I own the first two shaft movies on 4K.
01:04:36
Speaker
Uh, cause they're both on the, they're both on that criteria and 4k. Um, I like that 2000 shaft though with Christian Bale, John Singleton. I thought that one was, I thought that one was good. I liked that movie. I have not, I have not seen it, but at this point I know I'm going to have to cover it for this show. So I'm kind of waiting so I can watch it fresh for when I have to watch it for the show. I'm, I'm actually very excited because we get to cover both. Yes.
01:05:03
Speaker
Yes, and I have not seen the new one and I want to see it so bad because the story wants a fucking double blessing
01:05:11
Speaker
It is movie blessing. Double blessing your way. Absolutely. And you get you get both Samuel Jackson and Richard Roundtree in this passing it off to Jesse T. Usher. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like they're going to do any more of those. So, yeah, we get to cover both as long as as long as the next reboot they do, it has three blessings. I as long as Richard Roundtree stays with us and honestly,
01:05:37
Speaker
I'm so glad he's still with us unless I haven't heard something unfortunate that's happened recently or unless something happens really unfortunately between when we're recording this and when this episode drops. Please don't. All sources report that he's still alive. Hopefully at least until next Thursday.
01:05:54
Speaker
as of 1146 Eastern time on Sunday, August the 20th. Yeah, it is, man. We're getting lit. It's getting late for Tucker's. Well, you gotta remind me of the time. You're not supposed to tell me. I'm sorry. But no, Richard Roundtree is still around, so kick it still working. He's got a movie coming out this year, and he's got three more in the can.
01:06:18
Speaker
God, I love that man. Dick Rountree has that work ethic, dude. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And he's like a billion years. He was born in the motherfucking 40s. He was. He's been around for a long, motherfucker's been around for a long time. He was born in, I'm gonna look it up. I'm just gonna look it up. I'm gonna guess 42. Let's see, he was born in
01:06:46
Speaker
in the
01:07:02
Speaker
Like we said, movies coming out, movies that are already out and are still coming out. Man is still working and God bless him for doing it. He's got the work ethic of Samuel L. Jackson, the man who just keeps working.
01:07:20
Speaker
Not much that he's old as fuck too, man. He's in his 70s. He is. He is. Yeah. Samuel Jackson in his 70s still working like like crazy and is apparently one of like the most professional, one of like the most professional actors. Like when he shows up, he is completely prepared and off script like completely. 1948. 74. Yeah, 74 will be 75 later this year.
01:07:47
Speaker
And this man in every week of Christmas, any, any character that he plays in any movie now, unless it's specifically stated, I have to say it's implied to be early to mid fifties. That's where I'd place any character he's playing right now.
01:08:06
Speaker
Uh, yeah, he is one of those blessed actors who can absolutely play so much younger than he is. Um, but yeah, what a, what a fucking legend. God, what a guy, what a guy. Samuel Jackson. Hell yeah. Um, but yeah, stay tuned, stay tuned for both shaft remakes, both the John and Tim story. Is it soon? Steven, is it soon? Tell me it's soon. They're not on the schedule yet. We can talk about it after we're done. We have the power to make the schedule, Steven.
01:08:36
Speaker
I'm aware I just find a good time to slot it in. We can talk about it after we're done recording. Let's do it. Not make a sex tape to be clear. Well, why not? OK.
01:08:54
Speaker
So let's talk about how this movie is actually pretty good. Yeah. OK, so can we? I remember this movie just being unwatchable when I first like when I first saw in 20. I didn't like it. I didn't like it. Like it wasn't like but then again, like I am it's it's I was a Marvel movie fan in 2011. Like it was a good time to be a Marvel movie. It wasn't.
01:09:18
Speaker
Exactly. Like it was a good time to be a Marvel movie fan. Like we had a Thor movie that was pretty decent. We had a comic book fan in general. Really good time. It was there was I mean, the comic book movies were, they faltered a little bit in the early part of the 2000s, but they were rallying and coming back strong in 2011. And that and it was honestly starting in 28 2008, they kind of start roaring, roaring back again. And it's
01:09:46
Speaker
It's an exciting time to be a comic book fan. It really is. So compared to everything else, and we kind of have went over a lot of the things that were coming out around this time, we've gone over those. But among this embarrassment of riches, this kind of feels like an odd duck because it's not explicitly a comic book property. It's based on a pulp hero from a radio drama.
01:10:13
Speaker
Barely a superhero, barely a super like more of just a vigilante. His sidekick happens to be a fucking genius. Right. He is. He's the prototype for Batman. This is our prototype for Batman. It's like Batman is half Green Hornet, half Zorro.
01:10:30
Speaker
Well, Batman is just you combine the Kato and the Green Hornet. Like you don't need the other guy. Just make them all the same guy. Right. The guy with the money is the greatest world's greatest detective. He did study martial arts like, you know, he does build all his own tech. Yeah. But I mean, the like the stated inspirations for Batman are always Zorro and the Scarlet Pimpernel. Like those are the two.
01:10:53
Speaker
that they get like stated all the time. And it's definitely there. It's baked into the cake of the thing for sure. But yeah, so what we so like that's kind of where we we start with this thing. But this this it doesn't it feels more like a relic like a recycled relic from a bygone era.
01:11:14
Speaker
like pumped full of like as much modern twist as we can add as we can like pump into the thing. And I don't know, like in some ways, it feels like very much like an early 2000 superhero movie. In some ways, it feels like an early 90s superhero movie. And in a lot of other ways, it feels like it's something that is in some ways a little bit ahead of its time, while still feeling very regressive. Also, like it's a weird line, this thing rides.
01:11:44
Speaker
I agree. I agree. It's I just feel like there's so many. I don't even know how to explain it, but there's so many different ways that this movie is polling. Yes. And to come back to the lack of focus. Absolutely. Yeah. Well, and to stay with what we're talking about, I think all of them are good. Mm hmm.
01:12:10
Speaker
but they don't always mesh well together. I don't think there's anything in this movie that is bad. There isn't anything in this movie that doesn't land for me. It's just the way that the ideas conflict with themselves. It's not cohesive. The movie needs to find a lane and stick to the lane.
01:12:35
Speaker
I don't even know which lane that would be, because like I said, it all
Gondry's Filmmaking Style
01:12:38
Speaker
fucking works. It just doesn't all work together. That's the problem. And that ultimately is and you get a guy like Gondry, who from my understanding of him is such an eclectic filmmaker that part of that jumble of tone and and lack of focus might just be on some level kind of his brain and how it works within
01:13:03
Speaker
a large budget studio film. Oh, yeah, because this is this is a guy who honestly, with Michelle Gondry, the lower the budget, the better.
01:13:15
Speaker
Which I mean, that's part of the reason Kevin Smith was was loath to take it at one point. Like, well, I think that's why the very obviously practical effects that are in this movie alongside like the CGI and stuff. The stuff that's obviously practical is the stuff that works so well, because that's that man's bread and butter.
01:13:35
Speaker
like that car going up the elevator and cut in half and shit. That whole ending sequence. Holy fuck. Yeah. With the exception of the blood splatter is pretty much. That's that's what Michelle Gondry can do on a budget. He doesn't need a budget to do all that other shit. Right.
01:13:53
Speaker
It just gets in the fucking way, honestly. And the studio executives were apparently pretty inattentive to the making of this movie, particularly the more expensive parts of making this movie. So the budget kind of just got away from them and just started to balloon out of control because no one was keeping track of anything.
01:14:11
Speaker
Nobody knew what movie they were making. No one knew what fucking movie they were making. And I mean, it feels on one level like a too many cook situation. But by the same token, this thing feels pretty, at least in terms of like the voice, it feels pretty unified in terms of voice, just not in terms of like tone or style. Like I can tell there are remnants from a lot of different drafts in this thing, but it still feels in service of a whole.
01:14:38
Speaker
You know, like weirdly, like I know what I'm saying probably isn't making any sense. It makes sense in my head. I'm just having a difficult time articulating it. It makes perfect sense because another film that encapsulates that perfectly, though not, I don't think in a negative way, is Hot Rod, which I gather you still have not seen. You're correct. I would have mentioned it. That was a movie that was written in the 90s. And then it was given to Lonely Island.
01:15:07
Speaker
And so what they did was they took the story and they just rewrote it as a Lonely Island. And that's what this movie feels like. This movie feels like a different script. And then Goldberg and Rogan came in and just made it their version of that. It doesn't feel like something that came from them. It feels like they were the editors on it.
01:15:31
Speaker
And for Hot Rod, that works. And for a lot of parts in this movie, it works, too. But you can really, really see there are some parts where it really, really shines where you're like, that doesn't like what is this? How is this the same movie? Like I think when it works, it works very well. When it doesn't work, it's pretty glaring.
Speculation on Missing Subplots
01:15:50
Speaker
Like there's a montage like during there's there's a scene around the news table.
01:15:56
Speaker
where after the Green Hornet and Cato have had their first outing and they're talking about all the things they've done and they talk about how they've blown up streetlights at an intersection and we're like, when was that? I haven't seen that cut to a big montage where they're like rounding up a bunch of bad guys and they run through a red light. The camera flashes and they go, oh shit, camera got us. And so Cato blows up the camera and I'm like,
01:16:20
Speaker
Well, that's clearly the thing they were talking about before. But is this the second time they've done that? And if that's the case, why is this the first time we're seeing it? Like it just it doesn't. It feels like the left hand didn't know what the right hand was doing at one point in this. Yeah. Yep. I agree with you. It feels like there was a there is at least one, if not two subplots completely missing from this movie.
01:16:42
Speaker
Yeah, I'll bet there was. I've always wanted to. I don't I've never gone after like a physical release of this, but I wonder if there are deleted scenes that would fill that in. And I almost kind of want to buy it just to find out or see if there's like deleted scenes on YouTube or something. That would be worth checking out. Because I felt that way this time, too. I felt that way this time for sure. Like something struck me before, but.
01:17:09
Speaker
a reason for Cameron Diaz to be in this movie a reason for Academy Award nominee Tom Wilkinson to be in
Potential for a Green Hornet TV Series
01:17:16
Speaker
this movie. Like a little baby David Harvard to a little baby David. Yeah, teeny tiny David Harbor. Before he was Hellboy. He was a skeezy apparently stranger things.
01:17:30
Speaker
That character was an ally to the Green Hornet in the comics. Yeah. And so that's that's their big subvert. Like he's one of the few people that actually knows Britt Reid's identity and like helps him on cases and shit. And in this, they completely subvert that expectation. If if the audience is knew who the fuck Scanlon was, they would have subverted that expectation in the same way that like the first Mission Impossible movie subverts your expectation of John Voight's character and Jim Phelps and what he's there for. Like.
01:18:00
Speaker
I don't know, pretty interesting. I also thought Edward James almost was kind of wasted. There had to be some reason for him to be there, right? Yeah, other than to just look disapprovingly at Seth Rogen every 20 minutes. I get his function in the story, but you don't hire him to be in a fucking movie for 15 minutes. Agreed. Just popping in every once in a while. There's got to be something on the cutting room floor. Another Academy Award nominee. Yeah.
01:18:27
Speaker
in this movie somehow inexplicably like there had to be like he's not going to sign up for something this thankless. There's got to be something else here that you were just not seeing.
01:18:37
Speaker
Well, and that's why I think I'd love to see it nowadays as a television series, because all the stuff that his relationship with his father, I think that that stuff would be very interesting to explore within the context of this specific Green Hornet story. I'd totally watch a sequel series to this, like for sure.
01:19:01
Speaker
Yeah, I would absolutely watch a watch a sequel to this or any kind of revisiting of this. Ultimately, based
Underdeveloped Villain Arc
01:19:10
Speaker
on, again, factors that we'll discuss a little later, that didn't happen. So but I I don't think I would have watched at the time, but after revisiting it now, this this feels like a movie that's in about another five or six years away from someone going, you know, it's actually pretty good. Green Hornet and everyone go like rediscovering kind of going, you know, I think you might be right there.
01:19:32
Speaker
Way hipster on that. I've been saying it since it came out. You're like, you know what? I don't know what you guys are talking about. This is actually pretty rad. Is it perfect? No, is it great? No, but it's a damn good time. Yeah. And that's kind of what I noticed this time. Like I'm like, I'm I'm having fun. And I don't know if it's just that this if every all superhero movies are so the same that anything even slightly different just feels exciting. Yeah. But I was just like, I'm having.
01:19:58
Speaker
fun like this is a good time like I think crystal vaults is villain is really under baked I think honestly a lot of the character work in this is really under baked he still kills it though he knows exactly what movie he said and he does it but I don't feel like I agree with Nick Cage like there's not enough of a motivation there's he's not a character
01:20:19
Speaker
He's a caricature. And the joke is the joke of him is, I think, very funny that he wants to be a supervillain and can't fucking figure it out. And so the whole movie is his arc in the movie is trying to figure out how to be a supervillain. And then, of course, by the time he gets it right, he dies. Literally, the moment he gets it right is the moment he's killed, which is sucks for him, really. But in a surprisingly graphic way for a PG-13 film.
01:20:48
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, the actual violence itself is done off screen. You see the impact in the aftermath, like you see Cato make the impact and then you see what becomes of him after. But
Imagining Sam Raimi's Version
01:21:00
Speaker
you don't actually see the collision. I think if you'd seen the stakes penetrating his eyes, that would have been a
01:21:06
Speaker
like Sam Raimi style, like following mistakes into his eyes. Correct. I'd watch the shit out of a Sam Raimi version of this movie, too. I would do actually. That sounds incredible. Same cast. It's got like honestly, it feels.
01:21:23
Speaker
It's certain aspects of it kind of feel a little Raimi ask, like, because that's that's not the guy you would have pegged for a Spider-Man movie necessarily. But he pulls it off and in the same by the same token, I'm like, not doing this.
01:21:39
Speaker
Not until they announced it, when it was Spider-Man, I never in a million years would have been like, yeah, I could see Sam Raimi directing a Spider-Man movie. But as soon as they announced it, I was like, oh, shit, I can see Sam Raimi directing a Spider-Man movie now that you mention it. Now that you mention it. That was
Skepticism and Success of Iron Man
01:21:55
Speaker
me in like 2005 when they announced Robert Downey Jr. is going to play Tony Stark.
01:22:05
Speaker
And all of my friends are going, I don't know. He's such a liability. Like, what's he done? Who's like, can we get insurance for this guy? Like, who knows? Like, and I was like, guys, you know, but like he is his bang bang. But yeah, which we had none of us had seen at that point.
01:22:23
Speaker
Oh, you poor boys. I know. But but I was the guy that's like, look, if you know anything about the character of Tony Stark and the character of Iron Man, this works. This is extraordinarily good casting. Like I considered it before. No, but now that you mentioned it. No, literally. And that's that's what I said. Exactly. As soon as you say Robert Downey Jr. is going to play Iron Man. Oh, yeah, of course. Why didn't why wasn't he the first call we made?
01:22:48
Speaker
But again, he's not the star. That's why they're looking at everyone from Leonardo DiCaprio to Tom Cruise before settling. And the reason they had to settle for Robert Downey Jr. is because the studio couldn't afford anyone bigger. You know who the highest paid actor on the first Iron Man movie was? Was it Jeff Bridges? No.
01:23:10
Speaker
It was Terrence motherfucking Howard because he was the first person to sign on. And so they paid him way more. They signed him for way more than even Robert Downey Jr. made on that movie. So when that movie made less than him. Mm hmm. Oh, well, it's like that's a favor for a friend performance. And, you know, Terrence Howard deserves more than her in that movie, I think. But I'm just saying she's a skinny little white lady. How's she not getting way more money than that dude?
01:23:40
Speaker
He's the highest-paid actor. Once again, I don't think that she should. I'm just saying with the way that it works. I know. How is he making more money though? That's good for him. No, he's the first one that signs on. Literally, that's why. He's the first one that signs on and they have to adjust everything accordingly because they have like no money to make that movie. That movie is made on a shoestring and a prayer. But that movie does so well that everyone gets a pay bump for the second one. And of course, Robert Downey Jr. gets a substantial pay bump because his is the performance that sells that movie.
01:24:10
Speaker
And he's back after that performance. At first Iron Man, he's back. Robert Downey Jr. is back. Bigger than he ever fucking was ever. And he was pretty big before. He was. He had like Less Than Zero, Chaplin. Yeah. Your boy was in Fucking St. Elmo's Fire. Yeah, he was. Saturday Night Live, where he was one of the worst cast members in that show's history. He will tell you that he is the worst.
01:24:43
Speaker
Yeah, he and so Terrence Howard asks for a commensurate pay bump. So basically he's like, I want to be making as much as Downey. And they're like, you're not making as much as Downey. And so he he said he expected Downey to like stick up from a little more and is apparently hurt that Downey didn't. But they basically were like, look, you were not what made that movie successful. And to prove it, we're going to cast Don Cheadle. I mean, and they're not wrong. Like I said, Terrence Howard deserved every dollar that he got from that first film.
01:25:02
Speaker
Yes, yes, he will. He absolutely will.
01:25:13
Speaker
But to go into the second one, thinking that you're going to make more than Robert Downey Jr., the person who fucking slayed that first movie, you're out of your mind. Right. Terrence Howard, you got to check yourself before you wreck yourself, man. What are you thinking? As you said in that first movie, Terrence, you've got to have time to get your mind right. Yeah, dude. But look, I and I feel crazy expectation. What I really hate is what that did to his career, because after that, he just kind of like
01:25:42
Speaker
Me and Empire. Empire was good. I was going to say, I need to watch it. I was actually just thinking I need to watch Empire because I've heard he is incredible. And of course, Empire also has my goddess woman Taraji P. Henson in it. I fucking adore her. She was great in Hidden Figures, dude. Go watch Hidden Figures right now. You know I can't watch that movie.
01:26:03
Speaker
Janelle Monae, because she's too hot and you might die? I mean, yes. But no, the actual reason why I can't watch them. Oh, you motherfucker. It's come on. He's barely in it. I don't care. He's in it. That's enough.
01:26:15
Speaker
Steven, this is arbitrary. You're you're you're willingly holding yourself back from watching great films because you feel like you have to stick to this thing that you don't even 100% believe in. Steven, come on. I'm a contrarian by nature, sir. I will do as I please. But let me speak to the artist in you, Steven. Let me speak to the person who appreciates good film. Are you getting ready to call Kevin Costner an artist?
01:26:44
Speaker
I did not say that. I also did not say that he was not an artist. That does not matter in the context of this conversation. See Hidden Figures, dude. Dude. Yeah, maybe. Not only is it an amazing movie, but it's an important movie. It told me things that I did not know.
01:27:05
Speaker
And that's history and it's important history and it fucking matters. I do. I do love all three of those main actresses, though, like Octavia Spencer and Taraji Johansson and Janelle Monae. Like, yes, yes, yes, absolutely.
01:27:19
Speaker
You're right, though, too hot. She's she's too fucking hot. That's why I can't I can't even fuck with her anymore, dude, because back in the day, like she was a stone cold fox. But like she was wearing like suits with bow ties and stuff. Now she's half naked everywhere. Mm hmm. Got them titties out all over the place. Stephen bless her. But I can't.
01:27:43
Speaker
I can't, Steven, I can't handle it. I can't fuck with her anymore, dude, because it's too much. It's too much.
Diaz's Role Critique
01:27:49
Speaker
I can't handle it. She's just so fine. She is. So fine. She's fine as hell. I can't handle it, man. I just got to separate myself from it completely.
01:27:59
Speaker
move. I don't I don't fuck with her anymore. I can't do it. I mean, it's too hot, Steven, too hot, too hot, too talented to just she's everything. She's the whole package. And to go out there and just be like that beautiful. No, I can't handle that. Get out of here. No, Monet. Go on somewhere, girl. She's going somewhere. She's crazy, crazy attractive. Like it's that's just that's it, man. Like I
01:28:24
Speaker
I don't tell you. Not like Eric Badu, Stephen. Have I been so smitten? I just this second learned that she and Tessa Thompson broke up earlier this year. Well, it sounds like we've got a chance, Stephen. I don't know about we. You may be even you may be, but me, absolutely not. No.
01:28:50
Speaker
No, God, no. But Godspeed, man. You have my blessing. But yeah, no, she's fine as hell. Absolutely. Janelle Monae would have loved her to be in this movie. She's not, though. But Cameron Diaz, for some reason. And that's not that we don't. We love Cameron Diaz. Cameron Diaz is shit. She just has nothing to do in this movie. Why is she here? And look, like this...
01:29:20
Speaker
The one thing I like about her in this movie is that they do the obvious thing instead of the expected thing. Like she has a crush on Kato and wants nothing to do with Brit. That makes sense within the context of the world and everything else.
01:29:40
Speaker
That's the one thing that she does contribute to the narrative of this film or her character. Like I said, I don't want to disparage Cameron Diaz. She's great. She was great in this movie with whatever she had. Very little she had to her. Yes. But I think.
01:29:54
Speaker
The only thing that she really did to progress the plot in this movie was to show how much of just a misogynist dick that Britt is or and not even I don't even know that he's misogynist or a dick, but just so not self-aware, right?
01:30:13
Speaker
Like the way he acts in those first scenes with her, that's fucking repulsive, dude. He's gross. And if she were to fall for him as a result of that, we'd all be crying bullshit.
01:30:25
Speaker
But she does like she's with if she is with the nice, intelligent, athletic Kato instead of the rich asshole. And look like this film could have gone a lot further in the billionaires or millionaires or assholes vein. And I think if this movie had been made today, there is actually a reboot in the works, apparently, as of last year. What Lee
Wealth and Heroism Representation
01:30:50
Speaker
want now is set to direct. Oh, cool.
01:30:53
Speaker
So that's apparently a thing that's in that is on its way to development hell. I'm sure I can't wait. Yeah, but I'm and I'm sure that movie would probably be a little more.
01:31:06
Speaker
I think that movie would do a lot more both with regard to Asian representation and amplifying Asian voices and more in the kind of eat the rich vein. I think we'd probably have our shoes in both of those worlds. There's a lot more, I think, watching this movie in 2023, I feel like there's a lot more they could be doing, but it still feels pretty progressive for 2011. And you're boy's progressive as fuck, but does the Green Hornet need to be, though?
01:31:34
Speaker
I think we would want it to be some some some of us would want it to be, I think I think. But see, that's the thing or at least to call it out. I get that. But but to take away like. To take the green hornet away from it, because the rich white asshole
01:31:56
Speaker
is the Green Hornet and even though he's an asshole he's a good guy just like his father in this movie that's that's what i thought was kind of really cool about the way how they did that because Brit is a complete dick but he's trying to do something good right just like his fucking dad and i don't know if i'm not going to say that it's not something that you would want to do in a Green Hornet movie but i don't know if it's something that you would really be able to successfully do in a Green Hornet movie
01:32:22
Speaker
I mean, I think maybe should you do it? Maybe. But is it going to work? I don't know. I mean, because we even do. I don't like we never interrogate that really. We try
Pop Culture and Fascism
01:32:34
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a little bit with Tony Stark, but he's kind of him and Bruce Wayne are kind of other rich guy asshole.
01:32:43
Speaker
characters. And I think we're only now starting to interrogate that in Batman when we have George Lopez and Blue Beetle saying Batman is fascist. Thank you, George Lopez. I've been saying that for years. As have a lot of people. Honestly, I remember that conversation really rearing its head when The Dark Knight came out, like people going, wait, is Batman a fascist? That was the whole point of that fucking movie. Yes.
01:33:08
Speaker
And then there are people who are looking at it and not seeing that that's the point. And then people looking at it going, yeah, that that exactly that's what he's saying. Yeah. But of course, of course, the people completely missing the point and going, hell, yeah, Batman are the people who are now actually fascists and have worked on ushering in a fascist regime in America. Yeah. Yeah. Which I mean, if we're going to call American pop and pop, then we need to call American fascism and fash. So and fash. Whoa, whoa.
01:33:38
Speaker
I'm I'm anti am fash. I'm anti all fash. You can say, Stephen, that I'm anti fat. She's interesting. Interesting. I mean, I'm the guy. You see, you found me. Here I am. Oh, call the FBI. I can't believe I've done this. I can't believe I outed myself. Oh, man. Here they come. Black suits covered.
01:34:04
Speaker
Nod your head. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's it. There you go. Bringing it all back to Will Smith like I was as it always should. Yeah. Big Willie. We could do a month of Will Smith movies if we really wanted to. Please. I have such I have I've been with that man since the beginning, man. We we grew up together 20 years apart. Here's the thing. I don't think we can pick up until Wild Wild West.
01:34:30
Speaker
Well, which is like his first flop because everything else has gotten a sequel. I do. That's my favorite Christmas movie. I can't wait to talk about that. We will talk about it. Probably not during Christmas, though. I'm so excited.
01:34:45
Speaker
We'll talk about it later. We will talk about later. I will convince you. I will not insist, but I will convince you that we need to do it during Christmas. So how how this movie do? I wonder how this movie did, Stephen. So this movie is made the the the announced budget for this movie, the movie that they told us it did. What the hell? Double TF. What if we did it late November, early January? That's close enough for me.
01:35:17
Speaker
I'm just trying to feel the dead air while you do whatever it is that you're doing right now. I'm sorry.
Financial Failure of Green Hornet
01:35:23
Speaker
There's like no there was no information for this movie on the numbers for a second. I realize I had the wrong the wrong movie opened. So that's on me. I fixed it. This movie makes last week in November. This is what this movie makes ninety eight point eight million domestic off of an announced budget. Let me see if I can find the announced budget numbers, the production budget of one hundred and ten.
01:35:50
Speaker
So that is a projected budget of 110. I've got estimated 120 on IMDB. OK, I'm looking at the numbers. So there may be some discrepancies there. So and that may factor in some of the additional costs like marketing and whatnot, because this movie was pretty heavily marketed. Yes, it was. International, you got another 130. So really, you're looking at about 230 worldwide. So it makes its money back. And it would have been a hit.
01:36:20
Speaker
But for the facts...
01:36:22
Speaker
that or would have been considered a massive financial success. But for the fact that, A, the production filmed in Los Angeles, which is a notoriously expensive place to film, despite the fact that the film industry is located there, the tax benefits are shitty, if they exist at all. And secondly, the fact that they converted it to 3D, which was another 10 million dollars. That was that was a 10 million on top there. Yeah. Yeah. And which, of course, this movie
01:36:50
Speaker
This movie does not need to be 3D. In fact, I'm going to go so far as to say most movies don't need to be 3D. No, no, they don't, because I remember when that was all happening where you wanted to go see all the every movie in 3D and I would notice it for about 10 minutes. Mm hmm.
01:37:10
Speaker
And unless they made some sort of effort, like in Ghostbusters 2016, which was not a 3D movie, but it was converted to 3D, they at least made some effort. Like when they were doing ghost busting scenes, like the proton streams would come like out of the frame and stuff. And that was fucking rad.
01:37:27
Speaker
They did that with The Last Jedi, too. Like I saw that one in 3D and the when Ray's like balancing the rocks at the end of the movie, like they're in the audience like it's really fun. And that's cool. But most movies with those conversions, they do shit. They just they just converted it. They put it through a computer program, made shit pop out. Exactly. And after about 15 minutes, you forget that you're even watching the motherfucker in 3D. Yeah.
3D Film Critiques
01:37:48
Speaker
You just have some uncomfortable plastic glasses on your face and you can't take them off because then you won't be able to.
01:37:54
Speaker
There have been two movies that I've seen in 3D that I was glad I saw them in 3D. The first Avatar, which I'm not a super big fan of, but the 3D on that looks good. But to see it in 3D, yeah. I would watch that motherfucker in 3D for sure. I don't even like that movie, but I'd watch it in 3D. My friends and I were talking, going out of the movie, like, I didn't like it, but I'm glad I saw it the way we did. Like, I'm glad we paid the extra money to see it the way we did.
01:38:15
Speaker
because I can't imagine trying to sit through that movie in any other way. And then the second one was the first Doctor Strange, Scott Dickerson's or Dickinson's whatever. Did they do anything weird with that or was it just straight conversion?
01:38:30
Speaker
I think it was a strike, but they all the shit with like the like the Steve Ditko, like Magic Realm shit was like flying past you. Yeah. All the cosmic shit fucking ripped. Like it was so good. And then like the stuff in the mirror dimension, like particularly that first scene with like the ancient one in Kaecilia's fighting. Oh, yeah. And you got all that shit like folded. It looked it that movie. That is rad. That was a fun one to see in 3D.
01:38:57
Speaker
But most of the other movies that I've seen in 3D, I did not necessarily like the experience as a whole. There's just no reason for it. Right. So unless the filmmaker tells me that's the best way to see the movie, I'm not going to bother. So like if someone like Ang Lee is like, hey, I made this movie with a super high frame rate for 3D audiences. So see it this way. This is the best way to see it. I'm going to try to see it that way.
01:39:26
Speaker
Like I'm gonna try to go out of my way to see it the way he wants, or like James Cameron, if I decide to go see another Avatar movie in theater, I'm gonna see it in 3D, because that's the way James Cameron told me I should see it, I should see it. But otherwise, I'm not gonna bother. And if Jack Arnold is like Steven, the best way to see Creature from the Black Lagoon? 3D. What are you gonna do? You have to. If he's telling me I would. I will tell you that. I will probably disagree with him going out of there, but I would see it that way.
01:39:51
Speaker
I disagree with your disagreement because you it's it's one of the few films that I've seen in the red and blue 3D, which does not. I'm never impressed with that. It's the only movie I've seen in the red and blue 3D that actually I thought was it really benefited from it like it worked for me. OK, so I recommend it if you if you can get a hold of it. You know, the one movie I've seen in red and blue 3D. What's that?
01:40:19
Speaker
William Castle's 13 ghosts. Fuck yes, dude. That's oh, man. It was like it was a home video release, but still they like kept the three, the the the red, blue, 3D and they gave you the yo. Yeah, the the early DVD release of the entire Nightmare on Elm Street franchise gave you 3D glasses with Freddy's Dead and straight up fuck that movie. But also.
01:40:47
Speaker
They, they did a pretty good job with converting that, however they had to do it. I don't know if they had already had like a 3d print that they just kind of digitize or whatever. I don't know how simple or how hard it was. They did a really good job because red and red and a blue 3d is kind of hard to make convincing. Yeah. Agreed.
01:41:10
Speaker
But yeah, black room. So Jaws 3D doesn't work that well. But, yeah. Well, that and it fucking sucks. Correct. I think friend of the show, Mike Snooni puts that at the bottom of his Jaws rankings. They're all at the bottom, except the first one, man, that they all just like chill at the bottom. There's no ranking. They're all just the worst. It's set for the original. You know what the second best, the second best Jaws movie is?
01:41:35
Speaker
Watching Jaws again. Joe Dante's Piranha is the second best. Yeah, I'm way into that way into it. So yeah, this movie. Yeah, go ahead. No, but no. But yeah, you're right. Let's get back to the movie. So this movie. Yeah, it makes about two point three million or two hundred and thirty. Sorry. Million dollars worldwide. Again,
Box Office Results
01:41:56
Speaker
would have been a success. But for the fact that the burden of expectation was so huge that they just couldn't make it
01:42:05
Speaker
They couldn't make it profitable, profitable enough to spawn a sequel. So they had a plan for a sequel. They were going to make it. They completely shut down as a result of the details on what it was going to. No, no, but they I mean, they they it was like, we're going to do one. Obviously, we're going to do one of these things. And it was look, it wasn't critically well received, but audiences seem to enjoy it.
01:42:29
Speaker
Like people wouldn't, obviously, people wouldn't saw the movie. Like it made 98 million domestic. I feel like if it doesn't do like super fucking well domestic though, if it doesn't at least make its entire budget back domestically, it's pretty much not gonna happen. And that's a trend I've noticed doing this show in particular. Well, and maybe that was the case then, but nowadays, Steven, you've got stuff like Warcraft.
01:42:56
Speaker
That's going to get a sequel. Is it? Can I take that one off the list? It didn't do well. I've heard that they were planning one because of how well it did internationally. It didn't do shit domestically. Oh, I'm aware. But it did gangbusters everywhere else. That's the first I feel like that's the first instance I've heard of that. But I'm saying maybe the tide is changing. It kind of has always been that way, though. Weird. OK, interesting.
01:43:27
Speaker
But yeah, but yeah, so that's that. So, yeah, it doesn't do particularly well or at least well enough for the studios to notice, but it does open number one the weekend of January 14th, 2011. The other
Top Movies of January 2011
01:43:43
Speaker
movie opening this week coming in at number two was one time Green Hornet Rumor, Rumoree Vince Vaughn starring opposite Kevin James in a little movie called The Dilemma.
01:43:57
Speaker
I've never even heard of that. There was a dilemma. They're like business partners and Vince Vaughn's girlfriend is cheating on him and Kevin James. Oh, I'm already asleep. Yeah, it's dumb. I'm already asleep. The rest of the top five are Oscar holdouts from the previous year. So in third place, you've got True Grit. Fuck yeah. In fourth place, eventual Oscar winner, The King's Speech. Fuck yeah. And in fifth place, you've got one of my partner's favorite movies, The Black Swan.
01:44:27
Speaker
Oh, I like that movie. I just like Darren Aronofsky. So does my general. You know, he's going to fuck you up. Yeah. Did you see the time? No, man, I haven't seen it yet. I haven't. Look, it's Aronofsky, man, and I know it's going to fuck me up. That's why I haven't seen it. I will see it eventually when I'm ready to get fucked up, Stephen. As as as a as a person of size and as a person,
01:44:54
Speaker
who came from a religious background. That movie fucked me up 10 ways to Sunday. Oh, that's your that's your perfect double feature with clerks three, right? Oh, God.
01:45:05
Speaker
Right. Clerks three also fucking wrecked my shit, which is not what I was expecting. Only in a fucking Clerks three. I need to see that again, by the way. I still haven't rewatched. I saw the theater, but I still haven't rewatched. I need to move also in the top or rounding out the top 10. We've got Little Faulkers in fourth or in sixth place. Tron Legacy in seventh down from for the week before in eighth place holding steady at eight. Future episode of this podcast, Yogi Bear.
01:45:33
Speaker
Good things come in bears. Good things come in bears. Bears, I guess is what they're. I guess that's the joke. So the poster for that movie is one of the most egregiously awful things I've ever seen. It is literally somebody rad in that, though. It was supposed to tell me the poster. The poster is Yogi's face up top. Booboos face the bottom. So Yogi is standing directly behind Booboo and the tagline at the bottom is good things come in bears.
01:46:03
Speaker
Yeah, I could as jokey bear though. Mm hmm. And who's playing this movie, Steven? I just know who's playing boo boo. Good movie. Justin Timberlake. How's this not a good movie? What's the score? 3835? I don't know. I don't have that one pulled up right now. I'm not a good movie. Not a good movie, man. Yeah.
01:46:29
Speaker
another Oscar player in at number nine give it a ruffles the fighter and speaking of Nicholas speaking of Nicholas Cage the number 10 movie season of the witch so have you seen the fighter though Steven of course I have I doubt but yeah I saw that one in theaters
01:46:48
Speaker
I was going to say it's not my voodoo if you want to look at it, dude. No, no, no. Have seen. Is good. Can, can, is good. I always forget about that movie. Christian Bale and Melissa Leo both deserve their Oscars, although I'm OK with Melissa Leo never getting another one. We've also got one of my favorite movies of that year at number 17, Blue Valentine. Speaking of movies, I'll fuck you up.
01:47:08
Speaker
What the fuck is that? It's Ryan Gosling and Michelle Williams in a romantic tragedy, I guess, is kind of the right... You basically get to see a couple falling in love, intercut with a couple falling out of love. I've never heard of it. It's fucking heartbreaking. It's really good. I saw that one in theaters with my friend Kelly, and we both had a great
01:47:33
Speaker
time with that one, but it absolutely wrecked my shit. She and I left arguing over which one of them was actually at fault. It's one of those movies where you're like, why is this thing? Why did this all happen? We basically watched the relationship fall apart, and then he leaves the burden of proof on you to determine if it should have or
Derek Cianfrance's Works
01:47:59
Speaker
Yeah, I I have to see that. It's from the same director as the place beyond the pines. It is placed on the pines, Steven. I did not. But also starring Ryan Gosling. That's you guys see that dude. Same director two years after the movie we were just talking about. Like, yeah, that's I'm pretty sure that's on my voodoo. Place me on the pines. Yeah. Right on. I'll check it out. He's only done for four movies. This guy, he did a movie in 98 called Brother Tide.
01:48:28
Speaker
And then he did Blue Valentine, Place Beyond the Pines. And his latest movie is in 2016. He does a movie called The Light Between Oceans. A movie I have never heard of, but stars a real couple, Michael Fassbender and Alicia Vikander. So good for them. But yeah, so he's supposed to be the director of the Ryan Gosling Wolfman movie.
01:48:57
Speaker
Oh, is that still happening? Apparently. I mean, there's a writer's strike going on right now. It's probably not right now, but. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he's he's attached to direct. So that that sounds fucking great. I like that a lot. Speaking of like directors, you wouldn't expect to make that kind of a mainstream jump, but yeah.
01:49:18
Speaker
The Tomatometer score for the Green Hornet is a 45% with the critic's consensus being it's sporadically entertaining, but the Green Hornet never approaches the surreal height suggested by a Michel Gondry-Sethrogan collaboration, which absolutely fair. Yeah, yeah. The Metascore is a 39 based on generally unfavorable reviews from 39 critics.
01:49:45
Speaker
And
Impact of Black and White Films
01:49:46
Speaker
the letterbox score is a 2.4 Tucker out of five stars. What are you rating? Michelle Gondry is 2011 Green Hornet. I'm going to give it a three. Which is ironically exactly what I gave it.
01:50:04
Speaker
Like this movie is giving strong three energy for me. It's not great, but it's not as bad as I remember it. And again, I don't know if that's just because in a land of homogeneity, anything heterogeneous just feels good.
01:50:21
Speaker
Um, but it, it's definitely better than I remember it being in from, from two, my 2011 perspective. So I'd say it's a once in a decade watch once every decade I'd watch it about every 10 years and I have that and how the duck are going to be my, on my decades list. There you go. There you go. Oh, and uh, yes, Steven, the place be on the pines is on my voodoo. So check that out. Hell yeah. So now you just need to throw blue Valentine up there. Actually I'm sure blue Valentine is probably streaming somewhere. Is it on sale?
01:50:49
Speaker
Oh, I like it when Voodoo has sales. Oh, you got Voodoo up. We pull that. I'll look and see if it's actually streaming anywhere on. I will tell you Blue Valentine, not a feel good movie. I do love me see Michelle Williams, though. I'm saying I cannot deny Blue Valentine Williams is currently on HBO Max. Well, let me go ahead and add that to your list. What was the thing I added before? DuckTales 2017.
01:51:19
Speaker
Oh, fuck yeah. A thing you absolutely need to watch. He did write the film Sound of Metal. He didn't direct it, but that same director did write to the film Sound of Metal, which
01:51:34
Speaker
is apparently really fucking great. And it has this criterion 4K release that I apparently need to get. So there you go. Yo, criterion. Oh, did you miss the sale? That was like a two or three day sale. It's like 35% off all the 4Ks. Did you get that? Oh, I know. I mean, I always wait for the 50% offs. That's just it's just more like they'll do a flash sale here in probably another month. Sometimes you need it, though.
01:51:58
Speaker
I look, I need someone Louise on 4k. I'm just saying. I bought six, six blue rays and four K's, uh, during the Barnes and Noble sale in July. So I'm that. That tightened me over. I bought a lot of stuff I needed then. So we're good. Yeah. I can't wait till next month, dude, because next month criterion is going to be sending direct to me the day they drop La Bamba and the trial.
01:52:23
Speaker
Orson Welles, The Trial. I'm fucking getting that in 4K. That trial is 4K as fuck. I watched The Citizen Kane 4K not too long ago, and it looks so good. It looks so good. My favorite thing to watch in 4K are black and white movies. Because you know how in 4K, it almost seems like the brightness can be adjusted in certain parts of the screen?
01:52:47
Speaker
Mm. Black and white movies, dude. Mm hmm. I feel like I can see right through them and I love it. It's. I mean, and I look, I think black and white is such a great way to watch a movie because you there you don't have to be distracted by the colors. You can just focus on
Streaming Availability
01:53:08
Speaker
the performance. And that's absolutely Orson Welles used to call black and white the actor's friend, and it's 100 percent true. So I agree.
01:53:18
Speaker
Which is I'm convinced the reason why the artist won all those fucking Oscars. Because that's not that good of a movie, but it was in black and white until you really got to focus on the performances and they looked better than a lot of other things because it was less distracting. That's an interesting theory, Steven. I think I subscribed to that. It's literally one I just came up with. So I did that thought just occurred to me and I was like, you know, that probably has something to do with it.
01:53:44
Speaker
their listeners, you just witnessed the creation of a take. Mm hmm. But yeah, this movie is on freebie right now free with ads. So if you're not too precious to be bothered by ads, check it out because it's kind of fun. It's pretty all right. Yeah.
01:54:01
Speaker
It's a bit of fun. So yeah. There are way worse ways that you could spend two hours. Correct. So there you go. That's that. And that
Podcast Conclusion
01:54:12
Speaker
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