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REWIND 007 - I Am Legend (2007) w/ James McCormick
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“This is Ground Zero. This is my site. I can fix… I can fix this.”
Well, friends, we’ve had a doozy of a week! This week, life, uh, finds a way once again as we move forward with our Gettin’ Jiggy in July theme month by looking back at our third-ever Spooky-thon to Will Smith’s foray into action-horror during a downward trajectory in his career! Together, we discuss how well this movie holds up in the wake of COVID, what Will Smith was up to in the mid-to-late-aughts, and what exactly these monsters are supposed to be!
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Transcript
Introduction to Disenfranchised Podcast
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Speaker
Good evening, friends. You've stumbled upon the disenfranchised podcast, that podcast all about those franchises of one. The films had fancied themselves, full-fledged franchises before falling flat on their face after the first film. I am your host, Stephen Foxworthy, joined tonight by absolutely no one because life, my friends, finds a way. It always finds a way. and it It found a way for us twice in the last three weeks. So unfortunately, it has fallen to me ah to let you know that ah our regularly scheduled episode, which was supposed to be 2008's Hancock, has been postponed. We will get to it eventually. I don't know when, but we will get back to Hancock at some point.
00:00:45
Speaker
um Instead, we are subbing in the third episode of our third annual Spooky-Thon from October of 2022, our episode on Will Smith's I Am Legend as a continuation of our Getting Jiggy in July series that we've put together. for you. It's a movie literally that releases right before Hancock so a lot of the context of his career is going to be very much the same and then we'll pick up next week with the next entry that we are ah prepared to discuss. ah Hopefully life will have found its way out by that time and we'll be able to continue.
Guest Introduction: James McCormick
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ah We're joined in this episode by our good friend James McCormick
00:01:25
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ah from the cast of Cthulhu. Please make sure to check out all of his socials. Everything will be in the show notes, the description for this episode. um But yeah, show him some love. Show the cast of Cthulhu some love. They're great guys and they absolutely deserve it. ah But join us for this fun conversation and join us again next week when we'll be back with a brand new episode of Disenfranchised. So this is me, your host, Steven Fox. What are they saying? Until next time, just get jiggy with yourself for a while.
00:02:14
Speaker
My name is Steven Foxworthy. I'm a podcaster living in Indianapolis, Indiana. This is the disenfranchised podcast, a podcast about franchises of one, films that fancy themselves full fledged franchises before falling flat on their face after the first film. We provide entertainment. We provide knowledge when we are here to tell you all about movies. Again, my name is Steven Foxworthy.
Humor and Personal Stories
00:02:42
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Joining me as always is my co-host Brett Wright, the man for whom three little birds told every little thing was going to be all right. How we doing, Brett?
00:02:50
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Uh, I'm doing okay. How are you? I'm doing all right. Listen to the birds, Brett. Listen to the birds. Nah, I'm all right. Birds are terrifying. Nobody's gonna tell me that. ah Birds aren't real. but that's The internet's told me anything. It's told me that birds aren't real. Right. They are also spies for the CIA, correct? Correct. Yep. and you know little Little drones with cameras in their ah in their faces. Yep. that's ah Again, this is the this is the thing that I know. I also know that, Brett, we are not alone today. ah We are joined by a survivor in New York City from the cast of Cthulhu. It's our good friend. Welcome back, Mr. James McCormick. James, how are you, sir? I'm good. I'm good. It's it's good to survive. It's, um you know, I'm just with my cat right now. My girlfriend is gone. And, you know, it's weird right now, but I got coffee. I got liquor. I'm OK. I was going to say, you got everything you need, really.
00:03:43
Speaker
yeah you don't You don't have a dog, you've got a cat, but you've got you got coffee, you've got liquor. you've got I mean, just just save the bacon, as long as you're saving the bacon. I mean, the only difference is if I had a dog, she'd try to help me with the cat. If I'm dying, he'll just look at me and then wait till I die and eat me. so Honestly, I've got two dogs and I don't know to what extent they'd be much use in helping me, honestly. But I love them to death. They're good dogs. um Boy, howdy, a tough scene to watch.
I Am Legend: Movie Discussion
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um Ladies and gentlemen, it is Spookython, week three of our annual Spookython, our third annual Spookython. And we are coming at you with um with with a very interesting type of horror movie. Brett, what movie are we covering today?
00:04:31
Speaker
We're covering I Am Legend. I Am Legend from 2007, directed by Francis Lawrence, based on a screenplay by Mark Protasevich and Akiva Goldsman, based on the novel by Richard Matheson, and starring Will Smith, Alice Braga, Charlie Tahan, Sally Richardson-Whitfield, Willow Smith, Darryl Foster, and just a ton of below the line cast members. What a cast, gentlemen. What a picture. Yes. what Who are the below the line cast members for this people? Well, I mean, the big the big one is Emma Thompson, yeah who is uncredited as the doctor who cures cancer and then dies. um We see her at the very beginning and then we see a picture of her in a news broadcast and then never again. Such a weird cameo. Weird, weird. I could have sworn the voice of the president on the radio was Brad Pitt, but I had no way of confirming that.
00:05:28
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Yeah, instead of different names. So I'm not sure maybe he was going, cause I know Brad Pitt likes to do, uh, alter egos, you know, while doing uncredited stuff, but. Right. As does, as does his buddy Matt Damon, but I didn't see him. I didn't see him in the credits anywhere either. So. So and that's probably just my ears playing tricks on me or or them getting a sound alike or something. but ah But yeah, I Am Legend, the third adaptation of the Robert Matheson story, I Am Legend. um What is it about I Am Legend that is that's so adaptable, that's so engaging? James, your thoughts? I mean, growing up in, you know,
00:06:07
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really liking the story by Baphison and then also you know really digging Last Man on Earth with Vincent Price because who doesn't like Vincent Price and the Omega Man with Charlton Heston with completely different version of the story with big brain mutants and it's more sci-fi. So you had like Last Man on Earth was is like actual horror Then you had Omega Man, which was more to sci-fi. And you have I Am Legend, which is kind of a mashup of horror and sci-fi. With a lot of action kind of peppered in. Yeah, 2007, you know, like the action sci-fi genre. But I mean, really, it's it's kind of like watching it again after so many years. It actually like
00:06:52
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kind of got me in a different way because you know seeing a plague take over the world and people wearing masks and getting infected and then you know the worst case scenario closing off borders and all this stuff it's like like oh wow this is actually really relevant now it's kind of scary actually It hits real, real different in 2022 than it did in 2007. I can tell you that for free. And plus New York City, I mean, you know, originally they wanted to film it in l LA and then, you know, they were to do it in Houston, but then I'm kind of glad they did the New York City thing because what scared and senior city just.
00:07:30
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nobody around just right everything just destroyed, you know, like just kind of just dead to the world and That's scary. Like that is actually more scary than anything because I think even I don't know if it was Francis Lawrence or someone Said that whenever we're gonna do in l LA The problem is at 3 p.m. La parts of LA looked at anyway New York City is the opposite. It's like it could be two in the morning and it's people wandering around, you know and various states of you know, whatever they are under the influence, but Yeah, it's like and living in New York City It kind of like hit me in a weird way because you know you watch a movie you're like oh wow I know those areas. I know that store. I know at that restaurant I know other music the record store across the street from the video store. He's taking movies from and You know again
00:08:22
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I think people, a lot of people don't want to admit that post-apocalyptic stories kind of like, kind of touch a nerve with people because it could happen at any time. Something can trigger, nuclear explodes, anything. And this is various states of like, fear. And like, people like to go to movies with fear, you know, they like to be scared, they like to see something that doesn't seem like it could happen. But what if it does? right And that's the scary part. and yeah And then, of course, Will Smith being the big, especially at that time, the big box office draw, and you know the second in a row of eye movies that he did, Eye Robot first in 2004. Both based on classic sci-fi horror novels, right? Very, very weird one. And I just, I try to imagine the world we would have been in if this movie actually got made with Arnold Schwarzenegger. Yes.
00:09:16
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Crazy, but that would have been complete like, oh yeah, action, action, horror movie, you know, but we don't live in that world. We live in the Will Smith one. And, you know, I have to say, watching it again after so many years, I actually liked it more than the initial couple of viewings that I had back in the late 2000s, especially after the DVD came out and with the alternate endings, which we'll talk about later. Oh yeah, but again, this is a story that has been adapted three times, but I don't think anyone's ever truly captured the actual story.
00:09:52
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right and i think i think a big part of that is because the story is so influential on on so much of our of our horror fiction now it at this point it's the the pieces that haven't been adapted have been used pretty much everywhere else right so oh yeah i mean it's basically a zombie yeah dino living dead yeah exactly yeah and that's i mean it it's it wears it's on its sleeve but it's Matheson was one of those authors that he's so influential that people almost forget who he is. And then when you watch movies and TV shows and you go, oh, I've seen this story before. It's like, hey,
00:10:25
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A few authors wrote all these stories, basically. Right. he He's up there with Asimov, with Bova, with, um, Philip Ellison. Yeah. Like those guys. Yeah. Those, those guys that really kind of defined what science fiction would become. A hundred percent. Um, have you read the, the, the story? I am legends. Yeah. Yeah. I actually funny side story. Um, I still have a copy that my friend, let me borrow probably I'm gonna say about 2003, 2004, and I still have it to this day. And okay I'm no longer friends with him, I don't know where he, I don't know. He stole some stuff. But you've always got something to remember him by. Yeah, I have that to remember, you know he has some of my stuff that he actually stole, cuz he was a drug addict, but whatever. oh Nope, okay. So I'm keeping the book. yeah as you Look, that's the least you can do, yes is keep the book.
00:11:17
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Brett, what about you? what's your What's your kind of history with I Am Legend? what What do you find so appealing about the story?
I Am Legend: Book and Cultural Impact
00:11:23
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Do you find the story appealing? give us Give us your background on this one, sir. I have zero. I just have this movie. Just this movie. Okay. Yeah. And I mean, I love a good apocalypse story.
00:11:35
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but and we we i'm sorry and i'm more for you than oh you're good you're good matt um i ah will and And I know you're a big fan of vampires and I know you're a big fan of zombies and this movie um posits what if what if zombies were vampires? Maybe? Yeah. We'll get into what these are here, I think, a little later. Because that is one of my talking points, is what the hell are these things? um They were original originally fairly intelligent vampires in the original story, aren't they? Right. I think so. Yeah, they spoke. They they congregated. they They had plans. you know They weren't just like mindless freaks. They're running around. And I think this this leans more into some of the more zombie-esque tropes of the thing.
00:12:17
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um But yeah, i'm I'm with you, Brett. i don't I don't really have a lot of background on this. I've i've seen parodies of the Omega Man, such as the Ho Omega Man from the Simpsons Treehouse of Horror. I think back in season nine, that's season nine at Treehouse of Horror. So, I mean, I've i've got that. um And I think i've I've seen like probably clips from the original Omega Man, but, and then I remember When I was working at the bookstore a lot of people loved this book like this book was in It was fairly tough to keep on the shelves people were constantly buying it and it was kind of one of those like this looks interesting Maybe I should read this um and then the Will Smith movie came out and I saw it and it kind of
00:12:57
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killed any interest in me reading the book. So, but I don't know, after this rewatch, like, again, it like it did with you, James, it kind of struck a little differently this time. So um um I might I might be a little more inclined to to return and and perhaps visit that novel for the first time. So, yeah, it's been on my list for a while to read because it seems right up my alley and I just never got around to it. And but also with this movie. Yeah, I remember when it first came out. I didn't really care for it But I liked it much better this time probably because as we've stated it's a little different. now Yeah, it's it's it's a different Yeah, it definitely like like like so many post-apocalyptic like so much post-apocalyptic fiction now it just kind of hits a little like it and it's also kind of like the um ah the the
00:13:45
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The type of movie where the day just repeats over and over. There's a name for it, and I just completely forgot what it was. Oh. And now we've all forgotten it, too. I mean, I didn't know that thing actually had a, I don't know if they just named it after Groundhog Day. Right. But that kind of, that style of movie, I know Paul springs and Russian doll kind of got a lot of attention for that kind of, and the fact that, you know, living in a quarantined space for as long as most of us did, we kind of were living the same day over and over. Like that kind of fiction also hits a little differently now. So, I mean, there are so many different types of fiction that kind of resonate with us differently now and in this world in which we live. ah For good or ill, um probably ill on some level, but no, I mean, at least I enjoyed this movie a little more as a result. um So.
00:14:36
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You know, um there's that anyway. I'm gonna stop talking before I get myself into more trouble. Hey, before we get too much deeper, ah let's go ahead and talk the plot of this movie. um the We usually do that in about 60 seconds or less. um for new listeners first of all welcome ah but we normally do a segment called the plot in 60 seconds where we try to recount the plot of the movie we're discussing in 60 seconds or less normally Brett or I will do that uh at the behest of our friend the coin of justice but when we have a guest we do enjoy letting them take a crack at the wheel so uh James you have
00:15:14
Speaker
just graciously agreed to step up and do that for us. And so whenever you're ready, sir, I've got one minute on the clock, I'll give you the 30 and 10 second warnings and have at it, sir. Okay. Will Smith is Robert Neville, the sole survivor after helping start a play with Emma Thompson that has killed more than 5 billion people. He did try to cure cancer after all, but it sadly created a majority of mutated, vampiric, zombie, muscular, but also emaciated creatures with the vocal talents of Mike Patton. Neville and his canine companion drive around New York City, trying to and badly hunting deer, going to the video store and talking to the mannequins because being alone can drive anyone crazy. Still trying to find a cure and putting out a beacon for any survivors, what happens when these creatures start to show some intelligence? And even more so, what happens when a pair of survivors come into Neville's life? His life might actually get flipped turned upside down after all. Go home, smell you later. This is I Am Legend.
00:16:14
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That's With 15 seconds left to spare. um Absolutely incredible. Absolutely incredible. Mr. McCormick, well done. Thank you. Thank you. This morning, my actually my girlfriend asked me, oh, how's the prep? I'm like, oh, you know, I just kind of threw in some Fresh Prince lyrics. and And she goes, what? I'm like, forget it. Because she's never seen the movie. And she likes Fresh Prince, but she's not really a Will Smith fan. So I'm like, I'll explain later. When you come when you come back from Baltimore, I'll explain. Okay. um It's a shame she's not out in West Philadelphia. I know, it would have been perfect. Damn it. Right?
Will Smith's Career Evolution
00:16:50
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At any rate, let's let's actually, let's start with the Will Smith of it all here. Cause round about Will, round about, wow, words are hard. When you're a podcast, you should probably talk well. And then here's me just like tripping over myself with every other word.
00:17:05
Speaker
um Will Smith of course gets his start as the Fresh Prince of Bel Air, or actually just the Fresh Prince, which he then parlays into a television show. um And then begin slowly, but surely to become an actor, um films like Independence Day, Six Degrees of Separation, Bad Boys, Men in Black, very quickly becomes a box office draw. Yeah, it was that it was that time he had the billion, every movie was a billion dollar movie every year. And it's like, wow, this guy is like untouchable.
00:17:40
Speaker
mr fourth of july like he would open those big fourth of july release movies and just kill at the box office like what what were your thoughts of will smith back in the back in the late mid to late 90s when he was really popping off like what was your what was your exposure to reaction to him i've always liked i mean until recently you know i've always liked will smith i mean i've always you know and i've always thought he has that natural charisma like you can't help but like like him even like if he's being a dick you're still like okay he's acting like a dick and does that necessarily make him a good actor i mean six degrees of separation i think is one of his best roles because that's kind of before the whole Will Smith train kept going
00:18:23
Speaker
He's really good. It's kind of pre persona. He's really good in that movie. He's like, he's actually acting yeah as opposed to just putting on the Will Smith. Exactly. So like, you know, in, you know, movies like Bad Boys, Bad Boys 2, although, you know, you like the the fun, you know, like, you know, freaking Agent J, you know, like, like ridiculousness. But he's, you I make this look good. Yeah, yeah. yeah yeah you know Always one liners, always has a song featured in like one of his movies of some sort. And I've always, you know, I always enjoyed him, but then something, I don't know what it was, but then I think it's around the time when he started to try to take himself more seriously and doing movies like The Pursuit of Happiness and stuff like that. Oh, yeah. We'll we'll get there. That's phase two. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So that's kind of when I kind of went,
00:19:10
Speaker
Okay, I'm not really going to see his movies anymore. I'm not like actively seeking out his movies. Or like, what what was he the legend of Bagger Vance, where he's the stereotypical helpful black character in a movie? Yeah, the magical black character, yeah. So I'm like, what happened? Like, you know, you were you had a good thing and something. But again, a lot of actors like to try to stretch themselves and branch out. And it doesn't always work for all of them. And I think that's kind of what happened to Will Smith. And I think he is, I think he is in a lot of ways, perhaps trying to recapture some of that now, now that he's now that he's finally got his Oscar, it seems like he's kind of wanting to go back to that well. Yeah. Well, he got that Oscar and then, you know, at what cost exactly the infamous slap, which when it happened, I thought it was a joke. Like when it actually initially, I'm like, Oh, this can't be real.
00:20:04
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And then you're like, oh no, it actually really happened. It wasn't a skip. OK. And then you're like, why would anyone do that? This is not one of those famous Chris Rock bits. No, no. Or like, Will Smith's just trying to be fun at the Oscars. No. And and and again, we we don't know what the heck. you know like There's all this stuff about private life and like stuff with his wife. Whatever it is, it's still no excuse. You don't do that, especially on live TV. Like, you know, I mean, like I'm ah again, like separate from this, but I'm a wrestling fan. And there's lots of times wrestlers don't like each other. And they might get into scuffles behind the scenes and it gets reported on and whatever you go. Are you all grown people? yeah Yeah. But then again, when you're in front of the cameras, they have to act civil. They have to quote unquote act and be normal and like whatever.
00:21:01
Speaker
It's, it you would think it would be the same thing, but sometimes people slip and have a bad day. And I guess Will Smith was having a bad day that day and really hasn't helped him since. Cause it kind of like got canceled from a lot of movies and a lot of stuff. Which we'll we'll talk about toward the end of this episode. it's great we'll We'll circle back to that point specifically. Kind of crazy actually about that, you know? ah Brett, Will Smith thoughts, sir. I kind of the same. I was a big fan of them in the 90s. I loved all the big blockbuster stuff he was doing. And then he just kind of fell off in phase two, as you said, and I just stopped. going There's movies and it wasn't really doing anything I was interested in it anymore. Which I mean, phase two starts. I mean, phase one is short. Like phase one starts with maybe.
00:21:49
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If phase one starts with bad boys, probably, because six degree separation is just a couple of years before bad boys. He does bad boys in 95, Independence Day in 96, Men in Black in 97, Enemy of the State in 99, and Wild Wild West in 99. Future episode of this podcast, Wild Wild West. One that we've had on the schedule and canceled at least once um for for various reasons. And then and then we start, 2000 starts phase two, because we got the Legend of Bagger Vance in 2000. Ali in 2001, which I would argue is good, actually. Yeah, I'll say that, too. Yeah, that's that's that's his first Oscar nomination is for Ali. ah Men in Black 2 in 2002, which is bad, actually. Bad Boys 2 in 2003, which is good, actually. Yeah.
00:22:37
Speaker
2004, we've got iRobot and Shark Tail. 2005 is Hitch. 2006 is Pursuit of Happiness, which leads us to 2007, which is I Am Legend. After this, it's Hancock, seven pounds, and Men in Black 3. And at that point, he's done. Like, this is kind of the beginning of the end of the Will Smith train, is this movie, I Am Legend, which I find really very interesting. That this movie is the kind of one that sort of, because Hitch is still pretty big. Like, Hitch comes out, people like it, Pursuit of Happiness, he gets his second Oscar nomination, but then the year after I Am Legend, it's Hancock, it's Seven Pounds, which is another very blatant Oscar play, and then it's nothing for four years until Men in Black 3.
00:23:22
Speaker
Wow, that's crazy to think that because he was on a roll and then yeah. i Then you think, what happened? What happened? Was he producing more as opposed to acting? I mean, he wasn't really doing the music. I can look into that. But I'm saying, like was he really doing his music at that time? Not really. like No. Maybe the rumored Scientology stuff was going on at that time. he He's not really producing much. He produces, i think I think that's the point where he starts getting more involved in his kids career. Because the one producer credit that he has in there is the 2010 Jaden Smith correct. Okay, okay. future episode Another future episode of this podcast. A lot of future episodes. But yeah no, I mean, that's true. I mean, I guess, and and you know, in a way that's, isn't that good though? you but He was like, wanted to focus on his kids, you know? I mean, hell, and I am legend. Willow's in that and that movie as his daughter. So even back then he was starting.
00:24:14
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I, there's a rumor, there's something that came out, and I don't know how true this is, but it was essentially that Will Smith said to his kids, look, if you don't do this thing that I do, I'm not gonna be able to relate to you. Oh, wow. That's true, yeah. Which, that kind of cast kind of a, maybe a negative Paul over that, you know, being involved in his kids' lives. Yeah. Because he's basically trying to make them what he is. And they've all essentially rejected that at this point. I think, you know what, it's true, because like, if you notice like, Jayden especially is like, almost become like anti-fame like like ah like to the point like in a very Shia LaBeouf yeah without the um at least ah before we see without the uh you know spousal abuse um i know i hope so i hope so but one right hope um but that's true we live i yeah i didn't actually didn't even think about that yeah like like
00:25:03
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Sometimes, it's the thing lot a lot of my friends that have kids right now tell me that, oh man, and I really want them to be into what I'm into. And I just i tell them straight up, well, then don't don't force it on them. Let them find it. like And one of my friends, his kids found horror, and he's a horror fan, and now they relate to it. Because they came to him. Oh, dad, have you ever seen Evil Dead? And he's like, yeah, I have. Oh my god, you like it? Do you know this? No, exactly and that's exactly. And they're like, what? But stuff like that is great. But I have other friends that I could tell they've tried to force certain things or sports on them. And, you know, kids, sometimes kids just don't want to play sports. i You know, like I was one of those kids. Me too. I wanted to stay home on my computer and or play D and&D with my friends. That's all I wanted to do.
00:25:59
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D and&D was was verboten in my house. Well, yeah, that's of the devil for your house. It's fine in my house. I didn't do it in my house. I always went out to other people's houses. So my parents looked. Oh, see, I wasn't allowed to go out because all my friends lived far enough away and my parents would have to drive me. OK, so I understand. But yeah, I didn't have any local friends. im and And I didn't drive till I was 20 because I'm really cool um in ah in a city with no public transportation because, again, really cool. um But yeah, I mean, and then and then we get this weird career resurgence for Will Smith after that as a result. um Another future episode of this podcast after Earth. After Earth, yeah. Yeah, Winter's Tale, Focus, Concussion. Suicide Squad felt like it was gonna be something and then that movie sucked out loud. ah Collateral Beauty with Margot Robbie. Bright, another future episode of this podcast.
00:26:57
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Aladdin, where he plays the genie. That was a hit. a je Yeah, that was. they're they're i I think they're doing a sequel to it, or they've talked about doing a sequel to it. so um Gemini Man, Spies in Disguise, Bad Boys for Life, and then his Academy Award-winning role in King Richard. like just the These last several years for him have been really kind of... lackluster yeah like those are all films like and and you know it's funny like i'm i'm thinking about it besides suicide squad which again i agree terrible movie the sequel is much better because it actually gets what the story is about the sequel starring alice braga isn't it great yeah you know leah we'll we'll get into alice braga like she's she
Alice Braga and Creature Categorization
00:27:43
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reminds me of a a newer version of maria conchita alonzo
00:27:49
Speaker
Like she's in these great genre pictures, like action. And again, Maria Conchita Alonzo was in Predator 2 and she's in Predators. So they have like a weird and the Queen of the South, which was a great TV series. Yeah, it just finished a couple years. Like she's basically becomes this big time drug kingpin in a world of men. And she's like, yeah, she's killing people. But again, like she's another film I think you guys should cover as repo men that she did with Jude Law. about the people stealing, you know, they they would comment, like, if you don't pay your bills, well, we're taking your heart. What? No. Which, I mean, that's repo, the genetic operas. That's similar premise, except repo, the genetic opera has some. Right. opera I think people came out around the same time, too. It's like, was that something in the world at the time? Like, got to be careful that, you know, if you owe money, you might have to give your spleen or something.
00:28:43
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yeah I mean, there are and there are so many movies that kind of run those weird palllette yeah parallels. And this is kind of a season where zombies are kind of starting to make a resurgence in 2007. So let's let's ask the question then, what the hell are these things? Are they vampires? Are they zombies? Brett, you we had ah we had a big, long discussion on our World War Z episode. about what constitutes and qualifies as a zombie. So you're kind of the person I tend to defer to on questions like this. What say you, sir? I say they're vampires, period, end of story. Okay. They have zombie tendencies, but they're not dead. They're not mindless. Not all of them, anyway. They seem to be evolving, and some of them have intelligence.
00:29:31
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um And they dont they don't seem to eat people. They just kill them. But they don't really consume blood either, and is that not a... Well, I think they do, because cause because that's how he gets the alpha female. He puts his little blood vial, and like that attracts her. But again, you don't see them eating anybody, but then again, you don't see excuse me any bodies anywhere either. like So we don't know, but what, yeah, actually what do they besides maybe a little bit of blood, but there's not many people out there at this time. So how are they surviving? Like.
00:30:06
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Well, I mean, we do know there's deer and lions. That's true. I guess they're going for the animals, any dogs, or maybe the birds flying around. Yeah. And we do see the infected... Well, I mean, birds aren't real, so they really could not. We've established that already on this podcast. Birds aren't real. But, I mean, yeah, so they've got kind of the animals that they could be feeding off. We do see the infected dogs as well. That is an interesting thing too, because if you notice that that is a plot point that he even mentions that people can get it either getting bit or what you know blood or from the airborne but dogs and I guess other animals it's just by being bit which is very it's very vampiric way and I agree with Brett like
00:30:52
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you would think like the way they like run around they're like rage zombies and that's actually closer to what they are like like they're living they're not dead yeah that's how they seem to be portrayed here yeah and again we have the smart alpha male that actually can do planning stuff and actually get everyone together organizing yeah which is yeah which again weird enough is almost and after this film is like in Land of the Dead with zombies where you have George Romero showing I guess you could quote and say the evolutionism but that's really only of our marrow trope like of like zombies get becoming quote-unquote intelligent or isn't really intelligent or it is just like
00:31:33
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kind of like remembering certain aspects of their life. Who knows? I mean, we I think we can pretty much call any Romero trope canon when it comes to zombies, because the man invented the modern side. Yeah, I mean, yeah. like i think I would say his lore is more or less zombie canon. Yeah, before that, before, you know, Night of the Living Dead, zombies were just like, oh, from Haiti. And they were just, you know, guys with big bug eyes, you know, who do zombies. That's all they were. Like ah The Serpent and the Rainbow. Yes. Exactly. Yeah. um Which is, yeah, but that's more in line with what historical zombies are. but But Romero kind of takes that and turns it on its head and it becomes this undead thing. And of course, Romero very influenced by the, is it Richard or Robert Mathis? Richard Mathis. Richard, Richard Mathis. I think I called him Robert earlier. Let me stop that barrage of of tweets. Let me stop that tweet, Twitter storm.
00:32:30
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i rec I recant my calling him Robert earlier. The character in this in this movie is Robert. That's why I think I made that mistake. But the but Romero is very influenced by the Richard Matheson novel. And I mean, even to the point where the endings are somewhat similar between the original book and the and Night of the Living Dead, like which I think Night of the Living Dead may be one of the bleakest endings in cinema history. Absolutely. I mean, just an absolute fucking gut punch in the worst possible way, but yet so incredibly apt and so
00:33:04
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um understated with regard to the story that he's trying to tell. And it's, I think the ending is what makes that movie so resonant. um And the reason that it became a cult classic and then a legitimate yeah classic. Yeah, like, you know, like a criterion film, you know, so much so like, but I mean, again, you got to think it's, you know, not a living dead during the height of the civil rights movements. And you asked a black man as the star, the hero. And he wins, he wins. You're like, oh my God, he survived the night and just gets shot by a bunch of rednecks. because Throw another one on the pile. And you're like and i mean i you know that's a movie as a kid, when I watched it, I went and I cried. And like my dad's like, why are you crying? I'm like, yeah. Well, he was supposed to survive. And my dad's like, well, you know and it was a good lesson. It's like, well, good things don't always happen to good people. It was something as a young kid, I go, oh shit, okay, that's.
00:34:00
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you know, to this day, you know, like close to like 38 years later. Oh yeah, yeah, that's true. You're right, dad. Thanks. Thanks for the depressing depressing news, you know, as a kid. But again, and and and it's such a crazy thing to think that like, oh my God. And like those still photos at the end of that film when it's showing the actual like just strong bodies and you're like, right oh, this is is like different levels right here. It's not just a horror movie. And again, great horror will always have that element of other things going on as opposed to just some slasher movies. And I love slasher movies, but a slasher movie where, okay, they're killing people. There's really nothing behind it. It's just a fun, you know, gore fest. But great horror will transcend just a horror trope.
00:34:51
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and that's And that's what Night of the Living Dead did. And lucky for us, Romero got to make a few other great ones and a few not so great, but that's okay. That's okay. you know right and He's allowed. Look, he's allowed. And and ah and i think I think any good genre fiction, honestly, I wouldn't even just include horror in that, but science fiction, Western, any good genre fiction is going to be. it's It's a way to make a comment on what we're going through now without setting it right now, like it basically doing a Casablanca, but, you know, making it, you know, changing just enough and changing the setting and the and the world to where it might not be Nazi Germany. We might be living somewhere else. Like that's the the revolutionary thing about a movie like Casablanca is it set future episode of this podcast Casablanca.
Genre Fiction and Social Commentary
00:35:42
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What?
00:35:44
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They wanted to do a sequel to Casablanca, Brett. I'm sorry. and the but that's That's the thing that happened. So we could technically cover Casablanca on this podcast. Brett what do you told when i was a zombie there for a second. um You love Casablanca, right? That's one of your all time favorite movies, right? Sure. Yeah. Have you seen Casablanca? Well, of course I've seen it, but it's not like... Well, yeah, well well, I like the film. I think Maltese Falcon's a better Humphrey Bogart film, but yeah. I mean, you'll you'll get the argument. I mean, look.
00:36:21
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that you know There's something about those last 10 minutes of Casablanca that's just absolutely transcendent. um the The scene where they're singing the Marsai, why the fuck are we talking about Casablanca? What? Yes. We went from zombies to Casablanca. What happened? I won a movie set in Casablanca time with zombies. I think that'd be great. Hell yes. We're a world with zombies. zombies into a thing. Yeah, yeah exactly. yeah like Yeah. Pride and prejudice and zombies. Like, that was a big thing. Yeah. There you go. Yeah, let's do it with movies. Casablanca and zombies. You're a green blitz. But no, it's.
00:37:00
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It's that kind of thing where that's the revolutionary thing about Casablanca is you're making a comment on World War II in the middle of World War II. And Chaplin does the same thing with The Great Dictator as well. There's a chance Hitler actually saw the Great Dictator. I think he did. I think actually after that film, he was on his shit list, basically. Like, oh, if he comes to Germany, I'm killing him. Okay. I did something good. Okay.
00:37:27
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Which, and and again, that's the, that that's that that film becomes, that kind of movie becomes increasingly more difficult to make. I think the last time we really saw something like that is the interview. ah the The James Franco Seth Rogen film, where they interview Randall Park playing Kim Jong-un, sorry. and And that led to, you know, Sony getting their emails hacked and everyone learning way too much about the Spider-Man franchise. um And also when we found out they wanted to do a crossover between Men in Black and I'm still sad they never did.
00:38:02
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That could have been fun. It would have been completely bonkers and completely bananas. But that's literally the joke at the end of 22 Jump Street is let's see how fucking bonkers we can make this damn thing. And also that they really only wanted to reboot Ghostbusters purely for the money. They gave to no shits about the franchise. They just wanted to reboot it for the money. which I mean, every subsequent attempt at trying to to to recapture that magic seems, you know. Look, all these decisions are made for monetary reasons. We know that. That's not that's not new. But sometimes, yeah, but and that's the thing with film. Like, yes, a blockbuster can can be a blockbuster, but you have certain people behind the scenes and, you know, even like, you know, when you read about like Francis Lawrence talking about the absence of sound, like, you know, certain people, like, even though, you know, oh, this is just a popcorn film.
00:38:48
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There's a little bit more behind it. They tried to, you know, that's when I appreciate something like this, like, especially, you know, you know, does the CGI hold up? Not really. But, but again, now it looks better than some of the CGI I've seen recently, which is actually really sad that it's actually kind of degrading over the years. And they they had originally, they originally were going to do it with prosthetics. They originally had makeup and and there were actual physical actors playing these things.
00:39:22
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vampiric zombies or zombie vampires or whatever you want to call them. Dark Seekers. The The Dark Seekers. Good call. Good call. That's the name from the book as well. um so the So the Dark Seekers. And then like a week into production, they decided it looked too fake and said, oh what does it look like? And it looks more fake. and ah yeah and Well, it's kind of like the same thing they did to the thing prequel. Oh, we have these great practical effects. Eh, it doesn't look that good. Let's make it
Practical Effects vs CGI
00:39:48
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CG. So you put CG over to practical. but which and there's only and And we talked about this last week with with Brian Kuyper on our Bubba Hotel episode, but that's kind of that's what makes that's something that makes like a movie like Jurassic Park work, but no one has ever been able to recapture that kind of magic again, like to the extent that even even in the thing with
00:40:14
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over a decade of of lead-in time, it still looks fake as hell. um Even though you've got real good practical effects and you're grafting the the CGI over it, it still lacks the tactility that you get that that Phil Tippett and the CGI people at ILM were able to capture so beautifully in 1993.
00:40:35
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And I was 13 when Jurassic Park came out and I was at the height of my dinosaur love. So it was like, you know, a film you're wearing a Jurassic Park shirt. Exactly, not intended at all. And that's the thing, a film that still to this day, I will just throw on. when I'm in a bad mood and just to watch this, not even watch the film itself, just to see the special, you know, like to see the dinosaurs and the scent and still going, wait, that's practical. Or is that CGI? Like if you can't tell. Exactly. And you've done it well. But if you write away, you go, oh, that looks like a PS2 cut scene. There's a problem there. You know, but it doesn't look great. It doesn't look like I can actually grab it. And certain parts of the film of I Am Legend
00:41:21
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You could tell again, it's actually someone physically there, or something actually is physically grabbing Robert Neville and throwing around. like when the alpha female is on the table, like a lot of that feels very tactile. Certain shots of that, let me say, feel very tactile. And again, it's the sometimes you go, so how did the other, how did the real stuff look fake, but then this looks better? Like, and again, we're talking about big time producers who would want to cut costs as much as they can. And this actually made the movie cost more. And longer post-production time, right? And reshoots and all this stuff.
00:41:59
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yeah It's very odd to me when that happens. You think of the opposite. Oh, wait, you mean we can cut $10 million dollars from this? But again, not every film has Robert Rodriguez behind it. So a guy that's like, oh, I'm willing to take off $10 million off the budget. Oh, really, Robert? Thanks. Yeah, good. Appreciate that. And and I mean, and and this is something that that Brett and I talk about all the time. Like we're we're practical effect apologists. Like we we love those tactile practical effects. And that was one of the things that when when we had Brian and Michelle on last week for for Bubba Hotel that we talked about a lot is that that dumb scarab beetle and Bubba Hotel, it looks fake as hell. But it's a real scarab beetle that Bruce Campbell was actually playing off of. And
00:42:42
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You can tell that there are people there that Will Smith is playing off of, and I do want to get into the difficulty of of the kind of role he's playing here a little bit. um You can tell there's things there that he's actually playing off of, but by the same token, it it helps his performance, but it doesn't help anything else. like for that Because the CGI, that's the first thing that's not going to age well in your movie is the CGI. even before the comedy goes stale. You're right. And this film, like, watching again after probably close to a decade, at least, watching it again and going, OK, this is looking good. The city looks great. You know, like, but then all of a sudden when you see those deer and I'm like, oh, yeah, OK, now I'm remembering. And then even back in 2007, I thought it didn't look that good. So I'm like, oh, this looks really bad. And then the lions come out and you're like,
00:43:35
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They're not there, like, no. And then you see the dark seekers and then it's all pretty long down here. Yeah, the dark seekers, like, they vary in look. Like, the alpha male, at least, like, you could tell it's... I forgot the actor's name. He has an interesting name. He was from Ray Donovan. I'll find it. Dash Miho. I remember him from Ray Donovan. He played, I think, his brother. Um, okay. Got a very distinct look. He has a, uh, so I can see it in the CGI face, but again, nobody's mouth opens like that big. And again, we, hell, we've seen vampires with opening maws in blade two from practical effects. It can be done. You could, you could figure it out, and but you know, sometimes.
00:44:24
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the artistry is lost. And and you know, nothing nothing against the CGI artists too, because they have a tough time. No. Trying to do, and and plus they they get paid shit. They get paid garbage, you know? Yup. They get paid shit, they're made to work shit hours, and they're made to work under terrible conditions to try to put out something that we're just going to come in and lambast on a fucking podcast. Exactly. So I mean, i don't I don't hold it against them always, but again, just give me practical, just give me the practical effects. Well, I wonder if it it has something to do with maybe this Hollywood is stuck on. Well, we have to move into the future. We have to constantly be innovating. We can't do practical effects. That's old school Hollywood. I know. We don't do that. I think you're right. I think that's and think that's a mentality. I mean, and every so often, that's why you get 3D back. Oh, 3D's the craze. And it lasts like two or three years. Yeah. The TVs come out 3D, and then they don't last. And then, oh. yeah
00:45:16
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I'm sure Avatar 2 will bring it back. I was going to say, there's a new Avatar movie coming out at the end of the year. I'm sure it'll all roll right back. You need a 50. I know. I mean, there's 40X. That's the thing that exists. The ones with the water that sprays on you. Yeah, the chair. You can, like, the smells that they're typing in the chair and watching the Batman like that recently. Oh, gosh, I can't imagine being straight. Oh, my God. It was three hours. Just getting like battered around. um I get I get kind of queasy on those on those rides that like theme parks where they've got the giant green and you're in the little car. That's like just basically what it is around like I get. And that's that's literally 40 X is just that for the feature length.
Unique Viewing Experiences
00:45:57
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And I know. No, please get rid of that and in theaters, please. But that's beside the point. But yeah, the worst.
00:46:03
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or And I mean, here we don't have those here in the Midwest. So ah maybe outside of Chicago, where neither of us live, but you're, I mean, you're at the, you're in the belly of the beast. You're in New York city. So if they're gonna have them, they're gonna have them there. And it's not worth, we're not worth the money here. It's like more money to be. You're at ground zero. You know, take a shot. How many times it says ground zero in this movie? Like, especially like later on, ground zero, ground zero. I'd be dead. You know?
00:46:35
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We get it. Yeah. It's only really poignant that one time when he's really saying it as a callback to yes the flashback scene. Yeah. And then it's like, only you know that he's repeating himself. And that makes the scene a little bit more impactful. But other than that, it doesn't. He does he says it way too often. Yeah. Yeah. And again, ah but but but it it lends itself well to that to that one moment later in the film. So worth it? Question mark? Maybe. um And this this feels, and again, this is this is part of the phase two of Will Smith's career where he's demanding to be taken seriously as an actor and slowly kind of moving away from his goofier roles and into more serious ones. And this feels like, this and Hancock feel like a foot in both worlds. Like he's trying to play the kind of character that he would play in Ali or the pursuit of happiness in the kind of genre fair that he had been most associated with at this point.
00:47:29
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And like someone like a Tom Hanks who's done, who did Castaway um around this time or maybe a little probably a few years prior, if if memory serves, it's basically just him for most of the runtime of this movie. And the only things that he has to play off of are a dog yeah and mannequins and n CG. Like, or, you know, some, apparently they had actual actors that they would graft the CG over, but like that's, that's all he's playing off of. So it's essentially a one-man show, which is really difficult, like to both for a performer and to watch as an audience member. Like it's, it's, it it's really tough. And, and originally, I think when they originally tried to make this movie in the nineties, the original script, I think had no dialogue for the first hour.
00:48:19
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So imagine like, so, holy but again, if you're by yourself, I mean, hell, I mean, I'm by myself. I'm talking to myself all the time. I go, what should I do? You right you know, it's, same but we just we just do it. We just do it. So, but just imagine if there's nobody around and like, you're like, okay, I guess I'm not going to talk. So I think that's what he threw in the dog and the mannequins to kind of, he is going crazy in a way, but I mean, he's by himself, he basically thinks i'm the I'm the only survivor and I'm immune to this disease. So I'm i'm just gonna either die of old age or if these things catch me and just rip me apart. And you know and it's and it's kind of it's a sad it's a sad life because he has this, um you know again, ground zero, I have to find this cure. And we see in his little lab, actually it's a big lab, I shouldn't say a little, it's huge. yeah um It's massive. i know and watch
00:49:14
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It honestly, it looks like the same set they used for for Dark Knight or Dark Knight when he's doing like the... Yeah, the the crime. It looks like the same set just with a lot more shit. It does. Yeah. And like what's interesting is like, I just wonder how much to rent he was paying for that place. Because like, because I have friends that actually while this movie was being made, they they would not see this movie because they lived in that area. And they kept getting closing down the streets like for weeks on end. And he hated Will Smith.
00:49:45
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And Will Smith's even talked about this, like he was used to people sticking up their middle fingers at him. So he had like that initial growth of like hatred because of people in New York City going, fuck you, man. Like we're trying to live our lives and you're filming a movie. But again, in a way, I kind of liked that they filmed the movie in New York City as opposed to let's go to Toronto. and make it look like New York City, like most other films. You can always tell. You can always tell. the Same thing with when they do like, I think they do Vancouver for like Chicago or like other cities and like, or weird enough like Robocop, you do Houston for Detroit, whatever. But again, I think what John Carpenter used like Austin or something for, for New York and the state of New York, something like that. And again, you know, you watch, you go, it doesn't look like New York.
00:50:38
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But again, this is it's a prison. So you go, OK, I guess it's not really supposed to. But seeing these landmarks, and again, some things don't make sense. Like one bridge next to it the other, it's like, no, that's actually not the layout. But but if if you're not from New York City, you're not going to know that. So it's moving ahead. Which a majority of people know. That's fine. I mean, but me, I don't know. Wait a second. Or him driving and like, how did he get there in like two minutes? Like, that's really far. You're not going to make it, even with no traffic. again It reminds me again of the beginning of the pandemic, especially when my girlfriend was going to work, because she still is, but she was a funeral director. So she was a part of it. g Again, she was dealing with the body. So she had to go to work every day. And but the only thing she loved was the traffic, because there was nobody driving. So she would get to work in like, usually it would take 45 minutes. It took her 20 minutes every day. She said, well, that's good, except for the piles of bodies I have to deal with.
00:51:37
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So then thinking about this movie, I'm like, oh my God, you know, like it's really like triggering me in a lot of ways. And like, is it good or bad? Again, it feels it, you know, I don't know if you guys ever seen Logan's run. Okay. Oh, yeah. Hell yeah. Future episodes. Amazing. One of my favorites, because it's just so weird, a film. And certain things in this movie reminded me of that for some reason, like when they're out, out, you know, in the open, like away from the the city, and it's just wandering, and it's just wasteland and nothing around, except for just the two of them.
00:52:17
Speaker
And like that, like again, I don't know why I love stuff like that. Like, you know, movies like The Road where it's so depressing, but it's just people just wandering and nothing around for so long. It creeps me out because living in a big city, when I moved to a smaller town at at one point in my life, I hated it. It drove me crazy. I need the sound i need noise. like If I don't wake up to someone hocking a loogie and cursing at someone else, I don't know where I am.
00:52:50
Speaker
Like, are you really alive at that? I'll wake up, I'm like, why is it? I mean, again, my apartment's actually better than old, like, it actually is kind of quiet neighborhood. But again, every so often, and I'll hear just someone screaming out expletives for no reason. this Or playing a bad saxophone. And you're like, is it Gary Busey playing it? What's going on? You know he might be around, I don't know, it's creepy. But, but again, I don't know how i how I would survive by myself in a world where I think everyone else is dead. So like again, right talking about him just being by himself, that's a hard role. It is. like And again, he's convincing enough that he's trying to play it cool. he's You could tell he loves his dog so much, because the puppy that his daughter left with him.
Emotional and Thematic Elements in I Am Legend
00:53:45
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And when we get to that scene,
00:53:47
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I cried again. like I cried in the theater. i know you know what I was going to, but I'm like, I have to watch it again. And I'm like sobbing on my couch in the middle of the night. I'm like, yeah, you got me again. Will. I've cried too much in the last week. I i didn't want to do it again. I have to skip it. And I think the movie, like while I've liked it better this time, I still think from the beginning of the movie to that point, it's a really great film. I think it like works really well. And I'm nothing against when you add the whole concept of like other survivors. it's up That's an original story. that's It's not like it's different. It's just changed a little bit. But I really think up until that point, like if you if you ended the film with that depressing scene of him having to kill his only the only companion in the world at this time,
00:54:42
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would have been the most ballsy thing to do, but also would have been like, and and you know what, if you wanted, you could have had a sequel and we would never have covered it, but it would have like gone right from there. But of course we have to have, you know, crazy Will Smith afterwards wanting revenge for it. Cause he knows why it's happened now. and And the, I mean, the ending of the book and the ending of the movie are yeah vastly different. Like the movie ends with basically a zombie free-for-all and Will Smith blowing himself up to save the future of humanity. The book, from what I understand, ends
00:55:21
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Basically, he falls in love with a woman who is essentially a living vampire who doesn't have yeah you know kind of a daywalker, I suppose, and not a dark seeker. And she is part of this new society of the living vampires that are based, the living infected, I think is what the book calls them. that are basically forming a new society. And he's like, no, I'll be accepted. And no, spoiler, he's not. um And so they're going to execute him. And she basically, as a mercy, gives him suicide pills, which he takes. And it's the whole concept of like he it ends with him realizing, I am the villain. I've been killing their kind in their crypts while they sleep.
00:56:06
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and Yeah, and and he had been like, yeah he had killed her husband, I think, as well. Like, um so I mean, there's that that kind of very heavy, very dark, very bleak ending, um which this this movie does have kind of a dour ending, but it's nowhere near as bleak as something like like, Night of the Living Dead or the novel. Like, it's a very different kind of... Yeah, I was about... I was about to say The Mist. And that's not even the original book sending, which is even crazier. Oh, but that's the one that Stephen... Right, Daribont's like... I could have written that. You know, I'm going to outdo you. Hold my beer, Steve. It seems like I don't do this anymore. Get it away, please. Remember Maximum Overdrive? Come on.
00:56:54
Speaker
yeah let's not let's not relive. But no, you're right. and And, and as Jim, from my podcast would attest, it's nothing more than I love than a bleak ending. I love weak endings. Like I, I live for them. I live for a bleak ending because it just shows that a filmmakers I don't want to say have the balls. I don't like that term, but have the guts to actually say, you know what? We're not going to give you a happy ending because you don't always deserve a happy ending. And like again, when I was a four-year-old, my dad telling me, good things don't i always happen to good people. And you watch certain movies and you go, wow, that ended on such a sad note. orley like That's why my favorite Star Wars film is Empire Strikes Back, because it ends on such a sour note. You're like, oh my god, how are you going to survive all this?
00:57:43
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but yeah which is i mean that's apropos for like the second part of of a three-act story like that's because then the third part is how are we sometimes you don't you know i mean and and you know like exactly a weird a weird movie that i like to bring up every so often the first power of loot diamond phillips who it's a good one it's it's he's a cop who basically going after a guy that's supposed to be like the Zodiac Killer, type you know, serial killer who's, so he captures him, the guy gets executed, but before he has magic, you know, he basically knows how to like get his spirit out of him to go into violence. So it's basically like, Denzel Washington's fallen, but 20 years before. And the whole film, and the whole film, again, fallen with a nice dark ending. Fallen's great. I think it looks like it's fallen's great. Did your episode of this podcast fallen?
00:58:40
Speaker
You could probably make a case for it, but I don't think so. I mean, we've we've made some pretty tenuous cases on this. That's kind of like like us with Casa Cattu. Like, can we you say this is Lovecraftian? Maybe. we We fudge a lot on this podcast. We really do. like Basically, like it's is extended to, is this ah is this like based on an existing IP that didn't get a sequel? We'll count it. Because chances are, if this had done, and that's the thing, with Hollywood, if something does remotely well, it's going to get a sequel. so we can The way Hollywood works, we can extend this pretty far. This is the last three years. Even within the Halloween franchise, Halloween 3 deserves that spot because that's what they really wanted the movies to be. And then that did and again, that movie didn't actually didn't do bad. They said, oh, we want Mike. And then when Michael Myers came back, the movie actually did worse. But yet, people were happy. So whatever you said. Right.
00:59:37
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and then rebooted it three more times. Yeah, this this like goes right yeahve I've seen timeline, like graphs of like the Halloween frame, like how is this one and then this one and you're like, oh my, don't don't do that. And you know, just give me that. Yeah, at this point I'm open for a Halloween, the Michael verse, this movie. Right, all do the Myers verse. theers And it's just a bunch of Myers just getting together and like realizing, hey, we're on the same page. Cool, let's go kill a bunch of more people. That'd be scary, actually. Yeah, exactly. And then and then they that their hub, of course, is the Event Horizon. And we get you know Ash Williams and and Aging Elvis to to fight them. It's going to be great. Don't listen to our Event Horizon episodes while Steven is referencing. Right. if you if you haven't If you haven't listened to Brett's Pie in the Sky Ultimate Horror Crossover Pitch from our Event Horizon episode, go check that out.
01:00:34
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because it's it's fucking wild and I absolutely love every second of it. um but ah But yeah, I mean, look, um so this movie, and I honestly- So we were talking about the ending of this movie, it had a different ending too. Oh, yeah, yeah let's like let's, okay, yes, Brett. What was the alternate ending for this film? Because I've actually not seen the alternate ending of this film. Really? it is Yeah, it's different. Really? You didn't? I've seen this movie twice, once on Showtime, once on HBO Max, so. Sure. Never on physical media to actually watch it said ending. It's on YouTube, Stephen. So, what it is. Fine, Matt, fine. I'll watch it when we're done recording. So, basically, I think it ties the movie together a little bit more. He pretty much
01:01:25
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gives the captured female dark seeker back to her family, back to her boyfriend, who's basically the alpha, I guess. And he chooses to then take her and leave. And they all leave and don't kill him. And then basically they just take Wolf Smith's character and put him into the it same ending. i And it also kind of touches more upon that, again, like the Vincent Price one, like he's kind of the monster, like all the the test subjects that have been killed over the years. Yeah, what have I actually done? I actually really haven't done anything in these last few years. I've just killed a bunch of these, this kind that actually are evolving. And I'm like, and and and he's de-evolving in his own way.
01:02:18
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yeah There's a point you've shot in an alternate ending allow for his yeah shoulder of the wall of dead dark secrets he's built over the past three years. I think it actually yeah i agree. And and and actually, doesn't it and they do they get to the the Vermont place or are they still driving, right? I think they just... So it almost ends like, are they gonna find it? i kind of like and i and And again, I like open endings like that where you go, oh, maybe they don't find something. So again, Yeah, so again, but you know, when they announced for sure years ago, this is like back when the movie did really well made like half a billion dollars.
Potential Sequels and Speculation
01:02:54
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It. Yeah, I did. but I remember him saying great. But again, this is after the original ending where he blows himself up. They talked about a sequel. But then, of course, then it came. Well, they'll probably do a prequel. And I'm like, why would I want to watch that?
01:03:10
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I want to watch this people getting sick. Yeah. and nine like Right. know what What else do we need to know? They kind of show everything we need to know. Didn't say all we needed to say. Right. So I go, OK. so it goes And that never happened. So you know to me, a perfect sequel, let's just say his character survived and he's with them, would have probably be the the um the dark seekers that are more evolved that have become like that actually don't necessarily want to like fight them anymore. They just kind of want to live their own lives, leave us alone. And it kind of almost feels like it, but we actually kind of got there with the rise of the planet, the apes, the apes movies where the apes want to live on their own, leave us alone. And the humans, you have the good ones and you have the bad ones and it kind of clash. So you kind of have that already with, which again, those are, that's a great trilogy, but that that's besides the point, you know,
01:04:07
Speaker
Did they really? Just announced the fourth one? Of course, of course. buts yeah Let's make it a quadrilogy now. yeah yeah It's IP. we we If we're not doing anything with the IP, we're actively losing the IP. That is, again, that's the Hollywood machine. Dollar signs in their eyes, and IP is the most valuable. You're right. And and again, one it's Warner Brothers, right, that had this? Yeah, right. From 1970, they've had the rights to this movie. They made Omega Man a year later, and then didn't do anything. They tried, but for like 30, 36 years.
01:04:45
Speaker
Including including the the Arnold Schwarzenegger movie. I think it was going to be a Tom Cruise one. no yeah Which again, all of these people, these are like big Hollywood leading men that make sense in these kinds, in this kind of a movie. Like you get a really great star, you put them at the center of your movie and then you just craft the whole thing around that individual's persona. Yeah, the fourth Planet of the Apes is called Kingdom with Planet of the Apes starts production next month and will release in 2024. Not a future episode. That works. No, gosh, no. There's only one Planet of the Apes movie we can cover on this podcast. It's the Tim Burton one. It's the Tim Burton one. It's on the list. We'll get there one day.
01:05:33
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that why say terify know There you go. It's on the list. There you go. Stay tuned, listeners. Stay tuned. um But yeah, in terms of of making a sequel for this, pretty much right after this movie came out, again, because it did so well, um people were like, well, let's do a sequel. um the The director, um whose name I legitimately just forgot. and Francis Lawrence, is that it? Okay, Francis Lawrence said, oh, we'll do a prequel and Will Smith will come back because, you know, everybody loves Will Smith. um But of course then begins, as we said, kind of the Will Smith fallow period where he makes like just a few more movies after this and is just done.
01:06:22
Speaker
Like he does this, he does Hancock. I think he does ah seven pounds and then he's just, you know what? i don't I guess I don't know anymore. And walks away for four years and then comes back with, um I mean, shit, comes back with Men in Black 3 and then the year after that, After Earth, ah cameo and anchorman too and a and Winter's Tale. Like he's just, he's not hitting at the same level. He's been gone too long. And so, like, I think Will Smith's lack of involvement probably kills that project, at least for now. um He gets, oh, they wanna do, hell, let me.
01:07:05
Speaker
They wanna do maybe like a series or a reboot. Like all of these discussions have happened. 2012, there was talk about coming back, Will Smith coming back and doing another one. And then most recently in March of 2022, March 4th, 2022, it was announced that Will Smith and Michael B. Jordan would be, um there was ah a sequel to this movie in development that would produce and star in a sequel to I Am Legend. um That was March 4th, 2022. And then 23 days after that, Will Smith bitch slaps Chris Rock at the Oscars.
01:07:43
Speaker
And as you mentioned, James like starts getting dropped off of projects and his his kind of public perception kind of starts to tank. So this might be our most tenuous episode yet. Like this might be one of those where like we're we're kind of walking on pins and needles covering this one, but by the same token, like again, we'll we'll stand by our promise. if it If the sequel does come out, we'll cover it. James, we'll go ahead and head back for that if that does happen. um but um But again, Will Smith kind of, I guess we'll wait and see what happens with the Will Smith of it all um going forward, because it doesn't really feel like people are rushing, with the exception perhaps of the Bad Boys films, people are really rushing to make movies with him. Bad Boys for Life, by the way, the number one film in 2020, in case you were unaware.
01:08:37
Speaker
Not I mean given given that it was maybe the last big release before the pandemic not too surprising but But yeah, but so we should mention the new segment and we should have been doing from the beginning didn't deserve a sequel Which I which I did not do last week. So my apologies throwing myself on your mercy, sir fair enough that's all right Look we're getting used to it. It's a new site. It's it's new that we should have been doing from the beginning but it's and So now that we've talked about what a sequel could have been, might have been, or what they wanted it to be, did it deserve one? I think it's a good one and done. Like, do I need to see more of this story? Not really. I think, let's say with the original ending, not the alternate one, but you have a complete, you know, beginning, middle, and end. And it ends on a high note. And, you know, the humanity will live on. What else is there to tell?
01:09:28
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You know, like really what? Oh, exactly. Yeah. Oh, no, like they're back. Of course, they're, you know, these things, there's more of these things than anything. So like, of course they're around. It's like, again, like the walking dead, no matter where you go, there's always going to be zombies. But are they the villains? Or is it really the people? And do I want to see that world? Do want I want to see like, oh, the infighting with this like society? Not really, no. let Let me, let me end on a note that, oh, maybe that's like, like utopia. and they're living a happy life now. I don't need to see that. So, no, the movie did well. Leave it at that. Yeah, and and i'm I'm inclined to agree with you. The original novel didn't have a follow-up. It didn't need one. Like, this feels like a very contained story. Every other adaptation of this story has been relatively self-contained.
01:10:21
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um I think the reason we don't get the dour ending is because of the Will Smith of it all. like He kind of, in this phase, he's in his rock era. like you know We've talked about the rock on this podcast about how he kind of can't go outside of his persona. um And that seems to be the zone that Will Smith is in here. like You can't question Will Smith's heroicism. And so we get that really great ending. Anything that brings him back into the equation, I think, cheapens that ending. um So, you know, we have the ending we have. There's the alternate that's out there. It exists. And it seems like any future version of this is probably going to play off of that ending and pretend like it was the one that got released all all along. But. No, like there is a. um Yeah, I think I think this this is good on on its own as a standalone. I don't think this needed one. Yes, it did make all the money. So Hollywood gets very greedy as it is want to do. But I think this is a good one, Brett.
01:11:19
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Yeah, yeah, I agree. um The only thing is you might want to see a sequel to see the more closer to the book vampires. That's it. Otherwise, got no, we don't. At that point, just do a reboot, really. yeah Yeah, honestly, just do a reboot at that point. We know we don't need a sequel. We've had three versions of this story already. What's a fourth? I mean, how many Starsborns have there been? Come on. We can... At least 10. How many Batmans have there been? At least 45. Yeah. So um we can... we we We're okay with another I Am Legend. That's okay. we We can do that again. And and you know what? Cas Michael B. Jordan. He's fucking great. I love that guy.
01:11:56
Speaker
more and more stuff with Michael B. Jordan. Honestly, his cameo and involved in the space the new space jam movie, the best part of that game movie. yeah Honestly. The car was low there. Touché, very low. I also like the part where the gremlins were on screen for half a second. Where the weird random, you have ah rated R characters within, you know, like what? Or the mask, the mask is chilling. Yeah, you get the droobs from- Oh, that's a great IP to have for the kids, you know?
01:12:27
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Right, you know, for the kids, so you know, for kids.
01:12:33
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um So the this movie opens in December of a 20 or 2007, just, you know, December 14th, just a very nice a very nice Christmas time movie, a very good uplifting kind of feel good ah sort of film to all hold on. Is I a legend, a Christmas movie?
01:12:56
Speaker
oh no be depend the the pandemic of this movie takes place around christmas is christmasations and the what my my kids in a close dimensions yeah yeah yeah Yeah. I don't want you to answer. We go in August. It's Christmas now. So there you go. I am legend. It's a Christmas movie.
Box Office and Sequel Insights
01:13:14
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Hell yeah. This movie opens number one on December 14th, 2007. Makes a hundred million opening weekend. Like just an absolute slam dunk opening weekend. Um.
01:13:30
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It opens at number one. Number two, another movie opening this weekend, opens to just over half of what what this one makes. oh It's Alvin and the Chipmunks. In number three, I've said it so many times on this episode, get ready. I'm getting ready to say it again. Future episode of this podcast, own the golden confidence. I love those stories, so that's all you know.
01:13:53
Speaker
That one opened at number two, or that one opened the week before at number one, is down to number three in its second weekend. That one has not earned as much total in two weekends as Alvin and the Chipmunks grossed in one. So no no wonder why we're gonna be covering that one. um In fourth place, no longer a future episode of this podcast, the Disney film Enchanted, um because that one's getting a se a straight to Disney Plus sequel coming out later this year. And in fifth place, the eventual Academy Award winner, No Country for Old Man, which, fucking great movie. That one's made about 35 in the past six weeks. ah Closing out our top 10, you've got Fred Claws, What if Vince Vaughn was Santa, in seventh place this Christmas, as opposed to last Christmas, I guess.
01:14:40
Speaker
uh in eighth place the perfect holiday these movies are just kind of hang out because it's christmas time uh in ninth place we have august rush what if there was a rush on august no that's the movie about the violin playing kid right and then in 10th place eventual uh academy award nominee atonement which is another movie that's fucking great ah This movie goes on to gross $256.4 million dollars at the domestic box office. Another $329 overseas ah for a worldwide box office of $585.5 million. dollars Is this the highest grossing movie we've ever covered?
01:15:20
Speaker
It's got to be in the top three of the highest grossing films we've ever cut. I know that's insane. I didn't know it did that well. Usually the movies we cover don't do this well. Which is the reason why you don't get a sequel. That's why this one's so weird. Right. but Well, and I think I honestly, I think if we can point to a reason why this one didn't get a sequel, it's, it's the Will Smith thing. Like, cause right after this, it's, it's two, two in the bank and he's done. Like he just, he drops out, like he does stuff with his kids. He like maybe bummed that he, you know, lost out on the Oscar nomination for seven pounds. I'm not entirely sure of the story there, but he just falls off the face of the earth for four years.
01:15:59
Speaker
Well, yeah, i mean it' it's on the bingo card. It doesn't get a sequel because the main one one or more actors just didn't want to do it. yeah That's on the disenfranchised bingo card. I don't know that it's him not wanting to do it, so because I think if maybe if the script had been better, if they had a decent idea, he might have. but Yeah, there's I mean, you're right. It is on the bingo card. like it's It's one of the ones that we can tick off. Has anyone gotten to bingo yet? Let us know. disinran let us know Who's going to make that bingo card for us, too, by the way? I'd i'd love to see it. um But yeah, I mean, it is. it's it's It's one of those things that does come up from time to time, just you know the main star, not not interested, not invested.
01:16:38
Speaker
um And it seems like at this point in his career, Will Smith might be willing to return to some, he's he's kind of Harrison Fording his career right now. He did Adboys for Life. he He bowed out of Independence Day Resurgence. But I think, you know, if that film had been in development, maybe even just a few years later, he might have had something to do with it. Um, and, and now he's ah allegedly returning to the I am legend, uh, wheelhouse. Like maybe this is just, he's already done the men in black thing back in 2012. Maybe he'll do that again. Because again, that's IP Warner brothers. Isn't going to let that die. We have that truly awful men in black international movie that came out, you know, if we can get a movie that starts and Chris Hemsworth, i robot will show I mean, it's a lot he can work with if he really wants to, you know,
01:17:29
Speaker
yeah uh you know do we want him to is the question and and maybe i don't know the the answer now is i don't know honestly a sequel to wild wild west would just make my dreams come true on you would well the the the bad thing about a sequel to wild wild west brat is that we wouldn't be able to cover it on this podcast and i know you really want that to happen yeah they were i don't know i don't know which one i want more me Well, here's the thing, can you cover at but i love it? Maybe that'll be the reason why the sequel gets made, because people are like, oh, they're talking about the movie.
01:18:04
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right I think you overestimate how many people listen to this podcast, James. And no believe me, no one appreciates that more than I do.
01:18:14
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but But yeah, so that is our episode on I Am Legend. And we have, of course, been so, so grateful to have been joined by the great James McCormick. James, ah tell us where we can find you on socials. Tell us what you guys have going on over at Cast of Cathedral. I mean, on Twitter, really, made honest where i'm I'm trying to rebuild my ah quote unquote, you know, followers again.
Cast of Cthulhu and Podcast Dynamics
01:18:36
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Mwaka kills kids there now. Fisk Philimita has been dead for a long time now. Yeah, R.I.P. for still a reason. I do not know. um Recently on a Casa Cosulo, actually the newest episode is one that Jim and I are actually not on.
01:18:53
Speaker
We had a special friend of the of the show, Jerry Smith, composer extraordinaire, um do an interview with the HP Lovecraft Film Festival co-director, Gwen Callahan, talking about the festival that's actually going on this weekend right now. um And it was a fun little episode. nice and And in the last few, like the last month or so, we've we've covered the ah glory hole Lovecraftian film, Glorious. um Yeah, it's on Shutter, a Shutter exclusive with ah Rebecca McKendry from Fangoria fame and whatever that that horror podcast she used to do that got shut down because of one of the co-hosts being a creep. Not her, she was great, but like something else happened. I don't know. sure Sure. Yeah. And then i we also covered The Ritual, which is a favorite ah favorite of ours.
01:19:45
Speaker
I look, that was a film I did not care for. I understand that, but I mean, I think of it as the ah um the male version of The Descent. You know what I mean? i Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, yeah, in that context, yeah. Oh, so do I, so do I. And again, The Descent is a film i I actually kind of want to cover on the podcast. I think I have a line to say it's Lovecraftian, and that's a thing. i don't know what it is and i think it's and that's a lot of so with two two endings let's let's get three guys together or brat you can join us to let's get four guys together to talk about uh... a female wanted or movie that sounds like a great no no we won't take it that will be a lot of but not well i mean soon wherere we're going to try to do maybe one or two more episodes before uh...
01:20:36
Speaker
Jim has his baby. um So it's coming. It's coming soon coming to the next month or so. Little little Cthulhu to the world is going to be entering. Yeah. But um and we'll we'll take a little hiatus until next year and then start anew. But you know other than that really you know Twitter is really the place to find me. Other than that you know. Right on. Right on. Well, we always love having you on. We always love having Jim on, too. Jim was supposed to join us in scheduling just the bane of our collective existence. This didn't quite work out, unfortunately. But we again, we'd love to do a proper cast of Cthulhu. We'll figure it out. We'll cross over one of these guys. We're going to we're going to make it happen. We'll try to see which film we could do, but we'll figure it out.
01:21:24
Speaker
ah There's there's a couple there's there's one in particular that's back on the table. Yeah, I mean, we covered it. So I don't know if you'd want to do it again. Yeah. but Well, we'll talk about it after we record. But um but at any rate, this this is. Stephen, um what was the Metacritic and letterbox reading? Oh, my gosh. um What are you doing, my guy? That's my whole shtick. And I completely abandoned my shtick. Fuck, you're right. I'm sorry. um The Tomatometer score on this one is a 68% critics consensus. I Am Legend overcomes questionable special effects and succeeds largely on the strength of Will Smith's mesmerizing performance. We more or less agree. ah The Metascore on this one is a 65 based on generally favorable reviews from 37 critics.
01:22:14
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And the Letterbox score is a 3.3. James, as our guest, who you've already, you know, given your plugs, but as our guest, um what is, that out of five stars, what have you rated for? I give a 3.5. Yeah. 3.5? Brett? That's what I've been doing it as well. I think it's it's ah it's a four, 4.5. Exactly. And so, you know, that point where the dog dies, after that, kills like a whole star. So okay yeah, three and a half. It's a three for me, um i i you know which, again, better than it better than it was. like the last The last few films that I've watched just for my own edification and for other podcasts, they've they've grown slightly in my in my estimation. And this is this is one of them. like I didn't care for this one at all when I first saw it. It kind of bored me, honestly. But but this time through, yeah again, I picked up a lot more on what Will Smith was doing. And and I ah got an appreciation for it. The guy does have acting chops, even if he doesn't often employ them.
01:23:13
Speaker
so Yeah, he plays psychologically fucked up with PTSD very well, right? um And um James since we you've already done your plugs, ah where can we find Casa Cthulhu? Let's see. Yeah. um Well, I mean you could email the internet email us at mountains of madness at gmail dot.com if you have any suggestions or You know hate mail, whatever. We'll take it um I know. I'll give you a surprise, though. Don't tell them, though. They're good guys. We haven't gotten really that much. I got more hate mail when I was with maybe not criterion casts, because there's nothing worse than pissing off nerds. Nothing worse. You're telling me. You're not kidding me.
01:23:55
Speaker
we We have a whole episode of shitting on Star Wars fans, so. And then a whole episode dedicated to shitting on Marvel fans. Right. We do this a lot. Shitting on Ghostbusters fans. Well, it is there was one episode I didn't do was the Night Porter, which is the Nazi, like, artistic Nazi film. And we actually had a bunch of neo-Nazis threatening our lives, like, for not liking the film. ah but and And funny enough, I didn't actually, that was one episode I could not do. And I'm like, wow, the one episode I don't do, we had death threats. God damn it. ah ah
01:24:28
Speaker
The closer I got to that was doing a review for The English Patient, which I thought was one of the most boring films ever. And I had soand so-and-so basically said, like, if it's so boring, then why are you born? Or something like that. I went, what does that even mean? So that was the insult I got. um That and Trashing Tron Legacy, which since then, I actually like a lot more now. But when it came out, I trashed it, except for the soundtrack, which is still amazing. And I had someone not believe that I watched the film, because there's no way the film sucks. OK, you haven't seen it either, so shut the fuck up. um But um on Twitter, yeah. the twitter On Twitter, you can cast Cthulhu.
Podcast Promotion and Closing Remarks
01:25:12
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If you don't know how to spell Cthulhu, Google will figure it out for you. you So don't worry.
01:25:18
Speaker
but yeah and face It's not that hard. oh Honestly, my phone auto-corrects whenever I misspell. It knows now. that It's become that sentient that Cthulhu is everywhere now. oh um But yeah, other than that, we don't really use the Facebook page, so I'm not going to plug that. though you know that's a very I don't even use Facebook much anymore. so But yeah, but other than that, that's really about it for the podcast. But you Google us and you know on Apple Podcasts or Stitcher or radio and any of those and in those fun places you can listen to us. We're actually on Spotify now, so you just want to stream us on Spotify. hey I've actually had some people that only use Spotify actually start listening to the podcast. So that's actually a good good little avenue that people do not do not know how to download podcasts, like especially like family members of mine that are over the age of 60.
01:26:07
Speaker
but they know how to use Spotify, which I'm amazed by. So, hey, whatever, whatever gets the ear. Yeah. Exactly. For sure. Whatever works. Spotify is a very intuitive interface. A hundred percent. It's one of the best things about Spotify. Um, but yeah, no, we're, we also, you can find us on Spotify as well. Uh, in fact, this has been the disenfranchised podcast. So shoot us an email at disenfranch pod at gmail dot.com. Let us know how we're doing. If you have any questions for us, did this, did this conversation spark any questions? Let us know. Disenfranch pod at gmail dot.com. Uh, you can also hit us up on all the social media as we're on Twitter, Instagram, letterboxed and Facebook at disenfranch pod.
01:26:47
Speaker
Uh, and, um, look, if you want to help us out, we always appreciate it. Swing on by Apple podcasts, swing all over on Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts, leave us a nice, juicy five star rating and review. We always appreciate it. Cause that's going to help us find more people like yourselves and dammit. If we don't think you're pretty cool. So, so bring your friends. Um, you can also support us monetarily. If you so desire swing on over to our patreon patreon dot.com slash disenfranch pod, um, where. We've got stuff happening. There's stuff going on. I'm not sure what it is yet, but we're going to release some stuff, I'm i'm sure. so We have some back catalogs that people listen to while we figure that out. That's true. We actually do have, including several episodes of of ah revolving around horror films. We've got our commentary track for Train to Busan up there at the $5 level. We've got episodes on
01:27:36
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the Scream franchise and the Texas Chainsaw Massacre franchise on Unenfranchised at the $5 level, a couple of spooky-themed, disenfranchised episodes at the $3 level for Top 5 lists that Brett and I did last year. There is some spooky season content behind that paywall to satisfy even the most glib of horror fans. So swing on over there if you want to throw us a few bucks. We sure would appreciate it. and And yeah, thats that's the episode. You can find me, your host, Steven Foxworthy, on Twitter, Instagram, and Letterboxed at chewywalrus. Brett, where can we find you, sir? You can find me on Instagram and Letterboxed at sus underscore warlock. So that is all she wrote. This has been the I Am Legend episode of the disenfranchised podcast. I am your host, Steven Foxworthy, for my co-host, Brett Wright, and our very special guest, James McCormick. Be they vampires, be they zombies. Either way, stay the fuck away.
01:28:46
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