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Star Wars The Bad Batch S2 Finale E15 + E16
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The 2-episode Bad Batch finale has us gutted and devasted, but ultimately entertained. Now streaming on Disney Plus!
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Free Snack Promo by Pilot Flying J
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Emotional Transition: My Hero Academia to Bad Batch
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On another exciting episode of the Animation Deliberation podcast, what My Hero Academia saved us from in terms of emotional trauma, Bad Batch filled that void real quick. We got two episodes to talk about this week, and we're gonna get to that much more right after these ads. We have no control over.
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Sing along if you know the words. Animation, deliberation, a conversation, and a celebration of our favorite action animated series. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah,
Podcast Format Change Announcement
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yeah. This is another episode of Animation Deliberation, the podcast where we take action animation and cartoon seriously, but not too seriously. We are your hosts. I am Zuhara Lee.
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My name's Jay Sabi St. Clair. I shouldn't be laughing at that, but, uh, yeah, I'm Andrew Rogers. And I'm going to be missing that song until we have Star Wars days announcements and hopefully more idea of future Star Wars projects that will hopefully be very animated for us to talk about. But for the stuff that we haven't had.
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Before we go on to Bad Batch, quick announcement, we're switching up the format of the show a little bit where we have one episode a week that's dedicated to news, feedback, the stuff that we're watching outside of animation, and our animinits. This is an idea because we have a lot of people who only listen to our anime episodes and people who only listen to our Disney episodes and people who only listen to the movies. So this is kind of like an opportunity for
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everyone to congregate and check in and tell us what you guys are watching and what you want us to watch and how you feel about the stuff that you're watching and just to give you like some more consistent content every week and that way when we do our episode feedbacks and movie feedbacks they're shorter and straight to the point so that everybody can enjoy whatever flavors they like in this wonderful hot sauce bar that is our podcast.
Hot Sauce Bar & Taco Love
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So we would love for you guys to join. So spicy.
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What is a hot sauce bar? I've never heard of a hot sauce bar you're saying it like I was saying I was thinking of Tijuana flat specifically like you order your tacos and then there's a hot sauce bar and there's different flavors with like pumps and you can like taste them and they have little crying faces depending on how spicy it is. So they have their own emojis and that was just the first thing that came in because tacos are life and how could you not embrace the love tacos.
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Tacos are life. That is truth. One thing we will never argue on about the show is that tacos are, in fact, life. I may swing my Tijuana thoughts after this now, even though I have dinner at home. That being said, you guys ready to talk about Bad Batch? Do we have to? Yeah, whichever is the spiciest crying face, that's what I'm probably making right now. If my contacts hadn't dried my eyes out already, I'd be crying a lot more. Oh, jeez.
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Let's talk about why we're crying.
Bad Batch S2 E15-16 Recap: Hemlock & Saw Gerrera
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Yes. All right. So we're covering two episodes because we got a two-part finale here. Season two, episodes 15 and 16. I'll start with the synopsis for episode 15, The Summit. In order to find out more about the science division's activities, the Bad Batch Trails Dr. Hemlock to an imminent summit hosted by Tarkin on Iridoo.
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The gathering concerns establishing a network of total control over the galaxy, in which the ASD's secret research in the Kaminoans cloning technology is supposed to play a critical role. As they sneak into the base where the summit is held, the Bad Batch discovers that Saw Gerrera has also infiltrated the compound to assassinate the assembled Imperial top-level officers. The intruders are discovered and the alarm is raised, but Gerrera sets off the explosives, which disrupts the base railcar that the Bad Batch must use to escape.
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leaving them stranded. And then rounding out our finale of episodes, we had Plan 99.
Plan 99: Tech's Sacrifice & Omega's Capture
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With their railcar imperiled by Imperial attack, Tech sacrifices his life to enable his team's escape. Retreating to Ord Mandel to treat their injuries and come to terms with their loss, the Bad Batch is betrayed by Sid to Hemlock, who captures Hunter and Wrecker, forcing Omega to come out into the open.
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Echo and AZ rescue their comrades, but Omega is captured and brought to Mount Tanis, where she encounters Nala Say and Crosshair. In addition, Emery Carr reveals herself to Omega as another clone and her genetic sister. Foul language incoming.
Emotional Impact of Tech's Death
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Fuck Sagarara and fucks it. You guys messed up our favorite crew and traumatized us for the rest of the year.
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Yeah, you see it. I'm really gonna give the one quick F you to use who hair, because I distinctly remember like three weeks ago, you were like, Oh, the bad batches, they're never gonna die. I'm never scared for their well being. They haven't killed the character to make me wonder. They've done it now. And I hate you for it.
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Yeah, is this a kid's show now? No, it's a kid's show now. No, it's not. And I've been calling it all season that tech was going to die with how much emphasis that they were going to give him to the point that I was texting Haley while I was watching this episode. And I was like, I've already predicted that this guy's going to die. He better stop slipping this much off the rail cars. And when it was getting closer to him hanging a record saying, don't you do it, I was like, oh, no.
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I'm glad that I had the cushion of being prepared for this, but I wasn't fully prepared for this. I saw it coming, but my emotions didn't. How could you be? They took the heart of the show, the single character with the most development. Why? Why couldn't have been anyone else? Why are they giving the development? I hate them for it.
Speculating Tech's Fate: Survival or Capture?
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I am gutted. I am devastated. I was surprised by how viscerally upset I was by that moment. I have to give the show kudos for making
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a serious finale that really hit me in the feels, but I still am not okay. Why tech? Why? Why did I have to be tech? And I told Haley, I was texting her as well, and I told her I would give her displeasure at the loss of tech. I would give it due diligence here on the show. And one of her single points that I think is in keeping with what you brought up, Zuhair, is that in retrospect, we got a couple of teases to Rogue One.
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This makes me happy that Saw Gerrera got blown up in Rogue One now. You know, that's it's a fair thing to say because, yeah, they gave him the character development and it's this is back to what we've been complaining about all season of Filoni is a master storyteller. Why have we not gotten to see, you know, the way that characters grow and change and things? And then he did it this season under our noses the whole time of letting him grow just so that we could cut him at the root. And it's
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in these couple of episodes.
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Horrible and heartbreaking and I just hope that means it's a turning point for the show that now all of the characters are gonna be hardened Like we actually lost one of our own and buddy needs to go down now like I want to see the you know What hunter and wrecker and I guess now that echo seems to be back what those three are gonna have cooked up for hemlock Yeah, there was one point
Critique on Bad Batch Pacing & Musical Score
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Well, a few points where I was saying that if you're going to give us these filler episodes, like they better live up to something or I'll be frustrated that they like wasted our time, essentially. And a lot of them were tech building episodes. So in the grand scheme of things like that's what really pushed the feelings of like how we felt when he finally passed away. So.
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I still wish that they would balance it out a little bit better, but these episodes are what I love about Bad Bash, and why I want more, and why I want to see more of these teams, because the music for this was insane, too. The way it dropped when Tech was about to meet his fate, and then especially when the camera pans to sit and her face drops, and the intense music starts to pick up, and then you see the Empire roll in, and what did you do?
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like what did you do god emotions were off the charts and the music was just on point like this show is
Future Pacing Hopes for Bad Batch
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just capable of doing so much and week by week i can't like i have low patience for those small episodes but in the grand scheme of things like the show is so good if if they could just get that pacing down it would it'd be perfect it'd be perfect
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just shave off like two, three of the middle episodes. And I think we would have been fine. Like I just felt like they stretched it a little bit because there's all these joining episodes in the middle. I feel like it was like every two, three weeks, we were like, oh, I liked this one. Oh, I liked this one. Oh, I liked that one. If you just cut out those fillers and gave us this, honestly, yeah, off the charts because the emotion, all of it was just, I'm gonna start crying. And there's like more things that I have to say about his death, but it still is hitting me this hard.
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Yeah, I'm conflicted because a lot of what you brought up there is you hear, yes, these are the moments that make Bad Batch, make me want to keep coming back for Bad
Competing with Mandalorian: Pacing Strategies
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Batch. And don't get me wrong, I want death to mean something in this show, but we didn't see a body. And that's typically more of a thing associated with comic books. But if you're going to make me believe that the Kaminoan prime minister was dead to the point where we were saying, yeah, he dead on this podcast and then bring him back,
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there's room for tech to come back and we didn't see a body. We saw the goggles. Oh, that if maybe he's, maybe he's been abducted by him lock. Maybe he's being tested on in secret as well. Or maybe tech is just smart enough to fake his death and get out of there and come back. But the fact that the rail car was falling on top of him does not bode well. Um, but I,
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do agree with what you guys were bringing up about shortening up the season and making it a little tighter, and it would make for a more enjoyable watching experience, like thinking back the, what do we call it, the Arceus, Arceus episode, could have done without that. I know a lot of people are probably going to hate me for this, but could have done entirely without the Kashyyyk
Bad Batch Release Strategy Critique
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episode. And then the episode with the, I keep liking it to like Oliver Twist, but there was the,
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thief that took their ship and like worked in the the mine facility and yep their master was basically hoarding all the food and whatnot just get rid of those and i think it would have made for a much tighter season yeah in the caverns for the mining episodes at least we got you know tech and omega bonding which is really important but the episode following yeah we didn't need that um i personally loved the the the wookie episode but you know to each their own
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So Andrew mentioned how there was good episodes that came in like a pair, like there was a few double episode drops that we had. If you're going to give us slow episodes, I would rather one of those be paired with the slow episode so that you give us a cliffhanger and make me want to check in.
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for next week as opposed to like the part one and two of these great stories being at the same time if that makes sense like how these two were together if we had a slow episode last week i would have been like like make make me beg for another episode next week uh so there is like the way that they released it there was there was more potential of me sitting there like what is happening especially because this has to compete with mandalorian every week
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If you don't have that level of like wanting to come back people are gonna watch Mandalorian be like I'll watch the rest of bad patch later But we were talking off-air about like we didn't see a body and you mentioned like that Epiphany that I had of like what if The doctor what was his name? Hemlock if dr. Hemlock actually did find the body secure it to do his research and then only provide the goggles to hunter and
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Like, what if he's at that facility or at a different facility right now? You guys said a lot last week or the week before about, like, who are they clearing a bunk off for? So it's like, you wanted your clear bunk, here you go. I just said I expected
Saw Gerrera's Character Complexity in Star Wars
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it. Come on. We have half a clear ship. I don't know what you're talking about. There's like three of them left in Conkey.
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Oh, yeah, seeing like the doll like Omega's doll and the goggles like together was really sad. Yeah, I like how how emotionally she was expressing her shock to see crosshair like she's genuinely worried about him and trying to wake him up. And I don't think Echo will be fully part of the team. I think he's going to be back and forth between the bad batch and Rex because there's so much going on, you know.
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Hunter was finally talking about the chance to go to retirement. They're really considering. So now we're just like, do they retire in Pabu? Do they become part of the rebellion? And now it's like both of those options are still out there. We don't know what their full fates are. And that's kind of the excitement to this. And that brings up this shocking moment of finding out that Emery Carr was Omega's sister. I was talking to Haley about how like, because they've used Omega's voice actor for the senator,
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there was a part of me that was like, oh, they're just reusing voice actors. Like I'm not going to overthink this. And then it was like, oh, God, there actually was a reveal. It felt like she brought out a little bit more of like the Kiwi accent when she went to do the reveal, because it's it went from like a kind of likeness to wait a second. This is Omega's voice actor. Like there was no doubts about that. So
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It was an awesome reveal. And there's a part of me that's like, oh, I wish we got this sooner to continue this idea of, oh, there's more clones. We're leading to the emperor being cloned, yada yada. I've talked about that at length. But it was still such an amazing reveal. I was not prepared to actually get that as a little footnote of, hey, here's what's coming next. Because honestly, I wouldn't have been surprised
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if this was going to end with all of them dying. Like after tech, I was half expecting during the empire raid, Hunter and record to die, and then then capture Omega, and like it just ends on this sad note, and the show was over. Because I don't know if we have confirmation of a season three, so I thought it was just gonna go down the toilet. So to suddenly not even do that, but instead heal turn and be like, hey, there's a whole other story that's gonna be told here, it was a,
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gratifying moment and I really, really can't wait to see how they pay it off. Yeah, I had a similar thought in terms of like the finality of this episode and maybe not getting a season three towards the end of the rail car sequence when they lost brakes and the rail car just slammed into whatever it slammed into but that led to like
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one of the best like cinematic sequences in terms of like the camera work like having it all from Omega's point of view and being on record shoulder and the disorientation and just the chaos that was going on around like that was like it was devastating but it was beautiful and very very well done but
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Going back to, I believe her name is Emery, Emery Carr, this mysterious assistant to Hemlock that we've been wondering what her motivations are to get this revelation at the end that she is in fact Omega's sister and a clone. It clicked for me, we're talking about the accent and being the same voice actor and whatnot, but it clicked for me right before she said that she was her sister when she said Omega's name
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the same way Omega says it because all the other characters like say Omega but Omega says Omega and she did the same thing she's like I don't know you and she's like don't you Omega and I was like oh and then she said it
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That being said, I hope that she's not supposed to replace Tech because I will instantly dislike her very much if she's supposed to be the staring at Tech. Oh yeah, that's not gonna work. I wonder if Emory is her actual neighbor, if she changed it from what the Kaminoans gave her.
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Maybe she's Alpha. Oh, I was thinking that. Now, I have a feeling Jango is technically Alpha, or at least that's how it was always in my head cannon was like, oh, Jango's Alpha, she's Omega because she was like the last one they made was kind of what I was thinking the spectrum of everything was.
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But it's weird to know that there's more clones out there because it was always kind of hinted of like, oh, we found Django to be the donor for the clone army. They kind of reference that heavily in two. But they have mentioned there were other cloning tests before they found Django.
Cloning & DNA Manipulation in Star Wars
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So it's like, oh, who else were you making clones for before Saifo Diaz, you know, came in to recruit you for the Republic?
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I was about to ask if Emery could actually be like the gene donor, but she wouldn't call her her sister if she was. She might. As opposed to being a clone, like she's the template for the- Because Janko wanted a son.
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So I'm wondering, is Emery the same as Django to where she's the gene donor and she's just calling Omega her sister or is she like the first clone? And that's why she called Omega her sister. Yeah, the language of sister kind of deters me from that. And I also, you know, the fact that the Kaminoans are able to modify
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DNA to the extent that we get the bad batch, I think just speaks to a level of sophistication that doesn't require, like they can probably create, you know, the necessary chromosomes that they need to make Omega and Emory for that matter. But that is all making me think it's like, you know, minor spoilers for the Mandalorian, but
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We talk about the overall Star Wars story and some of the synergy and whatnot. Andrew, you kind of alluded to it as well with this whole in-game of cloning Palpatine.
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It really does seem like the, in my mind, it seems like they're kind of the synergy is happening to give us like a solid exponent explanation for how like Snoke came to be and like thinking back on Snoke and how he was like so tall and whatnot. I'm really starting to think was like Snoke, like a combination of Palpatine, Grogu and Kaminoans. And that's how he came to be. And he wasn't like perfect. That's why he's kind of like got the weird fleshy cheek mandible situation.
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Yeah, there's a lot of options. And I know they're retroactively explaining things, not to get into the politics of Star Wars, but decisions were made outside of this overarching story. But I'm very, very interested in how they retroactively do it and how seamless they can make it. Because I think everything you just said, Jay Scottie, is an awesome idea. But it just now occurred to me as we're having this conversation, this might be the first confirmation
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that Django that they are not actually, you know, brother and sister, Omega and the bad batch because she didn't or possibly didn't come from Django's DNA. Like I was thinking this whole time, like, how did you transfer this? What happened to get you here? So this, it does bring up an interesting extra point of, you know, it's a new lineage, I guess.
00:21:02
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because they always have referred to themselves as brother and sister still, even though Hunter has that like fatherly relationship. And then I'm not calling that out in this episode as well. I was I was amazing how paternal you clones seem to be. Right. You wonder if that is something coming from Django. And the fact that Django wanted a son, is it just implanted in his genetics that these other clones of him are going to be just as caring as he was?
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I also like that in the meeting they mentioned that the Jedi had like corrupted the clones and actually having a sense of like self-being and rebellion.
00:21:44
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Well, and it kind of shows like, you know, the empire has kind of vacillated between being very mustache twirly and like basically space Nazis. And like, as the Star Wars world has expanded, we've seen more of the nuance with the empire. Like there are people that actually benefit from the organization and the jobs that are created and the structure that the empire provides. So you did have the one imperial
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high-ranking imperial officer that, you know, vouched for the clones and said, I've served with clones, I've seen their tenacity, I've seen their loyalty and their capability, and then that was bounced right off of Tarkin, which, again, I have not seen the Clone Wars in its entirety, but did we see Tarkin in the Clone Wars, like serving alongside clones? Okay, that's cool.
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He was just his compass. Sure, of course he was. There was a dialogue between Tarkin and Anakin where like they were seeing eye to eye a lot. OK. And Tarkin was kind of like, I really want to work with you more specifically. So it's like, you know, the plants of Vader were, you know, seated very early in that show. Oh, OK. Yes. But Tarkin notably in the show,
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views clones as dispensable. I'll put it that way with what he ends up doing as a commander of the army. So I like the arc with that one Jedi that had the four arms that were all staffs. Oh, Krell. Yeah, that made me cringe so much. I was so pissed at just all the dialogue that happened just in regards to clones. Yeah. Hated it. Hated it. It was so good. So well written. I just hated it.
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Well, speaking of things that we hate, I mean, I don't really necessarily hate this, but it is a little bit of a gripe. And, you know, I, obviously the death of tech is a thing that I have a huge issue with, even though it was very effective, but.
Animated vs Live-Action: Character Model Differences
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So this show is absolutely beautiful. The character models are great. It has a distinct art style, not knocking anybody there. But one thing I did find myself kind of having issue with is the fact that we've seen Saw Gerrera both in animated form and in live action. And I don't know, like trying to get the timeline in mind, the fact that we saw Krennic as well and seeing how old Krennic looked. And then thinking about like Saw Gerrera has to go from looking like this lean,
00:24:04
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fairly young guy to Forest Whitaker with a respirator in a very short amount of time. I found my suspension of disbelief strained a little bit there. 10 to 15 years?
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Yeah, we don't know the timeline. My headcanon has always been, especially because before we had these middle things, we saw him super young in the Clone Wars, and then he shows back up in Rogue One, absolutely destroyed. My headcanon is just as a freedom fighter.
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He just got so messed up in battle that he needs the respirator like that is not even his body anymore at this point. It is just all put back together because he's done so many things because I did have the moment that he was with a female freedom fighter that we never saw the face of.
Future Narrative Connections in Star Wars
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And in Rogue One, there was the mention that Jhin was fighting alongside him until he went too far off the rails. And I'm just like, wait a minute, is this supposed to be her before she has totally betrayed him? And we never got that helmet take off because I was half expecting her to take it off and that was going to be what it was. But.
00:25:16
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It is interesting because I will say he did get a lot gruffer, even from when we saw him in the Clone Wars to now the scars across his face are deeper and bigger and like he was just a clean handsome young man before. So I'm assuming it's just got to be the battle scars of war to get him to Forest Whitaker status.
00:25:35
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I think he went to the school of Obi-Wan of spending time on Tatooine under the double suns there. Yeah, I mean he does go to Desert Planet. I can't remember what the name of it is off the top of my head. Jedha? Jedha, yeah. So, you know, he's got to just hang out in that temple for a little while.
00:25:52
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get a little bit messed up, but we've mentioned that saws in this, but we also had, yeah, Krennic, who was a dead ringer for Ben Mendelsohn. As soon as I saw that character model, I was like, wait a minute, we know him. I know him. The Leonardo DiCaprio pointing at the screen. I do that too often because it's just like, wait, I know this thing. Yeah.
00:26:23
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just behind your chair, just Leo also in his chair pointing at the screen. Oh, there's a perfect spot for that. I can do that. There we go. Yeah. So for context, like Bad Batch started right after Revenge of the Sith because we saw Execute Order 66 during Bad Batch. So Revenge of the Sith and New Hope and Rogue One is about 19 years. So yeah, a lot could happen in that time for
00:26:45
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I think I just need to hang that up in my band cape at some point.
00:26:52
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You mentioning Order 66 just came to mind like Clone Force 99 and Plan 99 is just basically 66 inverted. It is, but it isn't. Is it not? So well, it is. And I'm I actually wanted to talk about this. This was the one thing I referenced in text death hearing Plan 99. Zuhair, did your heart also just drop?
00:27:21
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immediately when they said that. Yes, but because I was thinking that it was the order is to just let me go and move on.
00:27:31
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And that's kind of what it was. But Jay Scottie, for your reference, they have named themselves Clone Force 99 because there was a decrepit old like junky clone at the Camino cloning facilities who was just this super nice old man that like everyone respected. Well, not everyone. Some people respected, some people didn't. There's a whole arc on it. But essentially he sacrifices himself during an attack on Camino to like save a bunch of clones. And it's this huge emotional moment.
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So as soon as, obviously they've named themselves Clone Force 99 to be a reference to him, but then as soon as they said Plan 99, I'm like, oh, that's sacrifice yourself for the better cause. No, tech, you can't do this immediately. As soon as I read the name of the episode, I was like, I don't like this. I can see the wheels turning of where this is gonna go. But it was amazing to me the fact that obviously Omega had a visceral reaction,
00:28:28
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All of the others heard Plan 99, and they might not have been happy about it, but you didn't get the stereotypical, no, tech, you can't. We have to do this together. They were all just like. I mean, record tried. Record tried. And then tech was like, since when do we follow orders? Oh my god, that line in that same just crosshair level of spite, just we've never followed orders and then shooting it. Oh my god, I, the chills, the actual chills.
00:28:56
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I'm gonna start crying. I am. I actually am. But yeah, no, I saw it like the foreshadowing of seeing it coming was a blessing and a curse all at once because I love the reference to the character but don't... That's why I don't want him to come back because I can't handle the emotional roller coaster that's gonna be zombie tech.
00:29:20
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I don't want that. But it's the only way that's the only way I see it happening is Hemlock is not going to bring him back as a like regular. It's going to be, you know, patchworked together clone that is massively strong, like Bucky Barnes to the extreme kind of thing. Like, I don't think he's just missing an arm. I think he's put together scrappily. So did you guys know that these
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The. The guys who have like the glowing visors. This is the ones that look like Republic Commandos. Yeah, the Republican. I was just going to ask just if you guys knew that was based off of a video. Oh, yeah. Somebody had told me that they were going to start watching it because they were excited that the clone commandos or Republic Commandos came in and he's very. He's very opinionated on Star Wars content, so I was like,
00:30:17
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Don't watch it just because of that, because then you're going to talk to me endlessly about how much you hate it all. Yeah. But it is cool seeing them in this frequency. Yeah. Republic Commando was one of the best Star Wars games ever. Delta Squad was very much like the Bad Batch.
00:30:35
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I can only remember one of their names and that was Scorch, but they all had similar names like that. Yeah, Republic Commandos is one of those cool things because I'm pretty sure when they did the whole rotate some things from canon to legends, technically that was on the list of things that was no longer canon up until Bad Batch season one came out and we first saw those full visors and suddenly it was like, oh, they're acknowledging this.
00:31:01
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The game might not be canon anymore, but hey, the Republic Commandos still exist. We have these elite squadrons that are going to be a thing back in the vernacular. Yeah. And for that matter, we often say all the credit to Dave Filoni, and rightly so. But I do want to mention that the bad batch goes back as far as to George Lucas. The bad batch was something that George Lucas wanted to do. He always had this idea for a bad batch of clones that were very much inspired by the dirty dozen.
00:31:31
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Dave Filoni having worked with George Lucas for such a long time, he took that idea and brought it to fruition. As much as we've seen Star Wars evolve and change, always got to go back to the source of George Lucas and while he didn't always shepherd the franchise to
00:31:49
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everyone's taste, it all came from his brain. Lucas might not be the best writer if you look at some of those original Star Wars scripts, but he knew how to build a world. I think without that genius level of understanding beyond just a story, we would not have Star Wars being the pun intended empire that it is.
00:32:13
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One interesting that you brought up is how amazing the scene was of when the rail car Crashed and just how well that was shot the only other time that we got like that first-person perspective shot was When hunter went down like the episode started with you know him getting dragged off after the shootout with Cad Bane Yes So I do like that we're able to see stuff like that it you know It's just kind of like a scene of like when you're playing call of duty and something to shoot you down You're being dragged out of there because a lot of the storytelling those modern warfare games really good but
00:32:42
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It makes me even more angrier at EA because the original Battlefront II was so good to the point that it still played on my PlayStation 2. And the fact that we have the capability of making a clone or just any type of soldier-based game that has a good story.
Frustrations with Star Wars Video Games
00:33:07
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The story is there, the possibility is there. We even have
00:33:11
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like video games that are canon now. That's another place that we saw Saw Gerrera. And like just, I'm glad that EA's contract is finally terminated and that other companies can finally make stuff because the potential is there and someone just needs to give us a good first person shooter from the clone perspective. It's possible. It's there. Give us more stories. I need it. I need it now.
00:33:35
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We could go down a whole rabbit hole when it comes to Star Wars video games, but we did get some feedback regarding this episode. Do you guys have more you want to say or should we transition to Andre's feedback? Cheesy movie maker transition like Lucas, Lucas Lowe's. Okay.
00:33:53
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Just, you mean a star wipe? The solid wipe or the circle. If you watch back the prequels, it's like someone who just learned how to use Premiere, like, oh, I could do all these fun transitions. And it's just like, oh my
Iconic Star Wars Transitions: The Star Wipe
00:34:05
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God, no. But they maintain that in all the movies. And I think that's why it's so funny. So we need to do this. After taking video classes, I was like, wait a minute, that's a movie maker. What are we doing here? So with that transition in mind, we got to do the little.
00:34:23
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Wipe. Okay. Who wants to tackle the feedback? I just took a swig. I'll take it. Cool. And a swig of water just to elaborate. It's clear we don't know what it was.
00:34:39
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Hey guys, just gotta say the two-part finale had all the feels, sadness, surprise, anger, and annoyance.
Listener Feedback on Bad Batch Finale: Emotional Insights
00:34:46
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I know the season has had its ups and downs, but I truly enjoyed seeing this new story. The story of the Empire growing, Clone Trooper history, and the very long game of the Emperor. Did you all see a few things? Rogue One villain cameo? Captain Chair at the Summit? Thrawn? Thrawn.
00:35:04
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Last thoughts, what did you think the special mission is with Rex? Ahsoka? Hopefully we get to see in live action. Is tech really dead? I've seen other animated shows where someone falls from a rail car and live. Theory. The Emperor wants his cloning thing, but what if this also sets up Rey's dad? Like we all thought it, no one would get with him, so he's making a child to be a successor. You guys are right about no happy ending, but damn. Great listening to you guys this season.
00:35:34
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Hope to get more content on May 4th. I feel like we're all forgetting we get Star Wars visions on May 4th.
00:35:42
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Like, that is a confirmed- We want more after that. I know we want more after that, but I feel like there's been so much talk of like, oh, we're going to get news on May 4th. I wonder what else is coming. It's like, no, we still have more things. We have one of the most excited things for Star Wars for me. So I just wanted to throw that out there at the end of this email. Yeah, I need ninth Jedi part two, please and thank you. Oh, they better. That goes without saying. The part of the-
00:36:09
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Andre's email that kind of sticks out to me is that he does mention the special mission with Rex. And I think that's a good call out. We didn't really address that. Rex was absent from this episode. And it's a good question. Is he doing something with Ahsoka? And what do you think the likelihood is that we'll eventually get to see what that was? Because again, minor spoilers for the... Are you both caught up with the Mandalorian? Yep. Enough. Okay. So again, like speaking to the synergy here, I for one have not seen Rebels, but from my understanding,
00:36:39
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Is we kind of have this tease in this episode of bad batch and then in the mandalorian there was a cameo from a character that popped up in rebels So again, the synergy is is happening. Yeah, I actually missed that because I was so focused because i'm watching kim's convenience again So I was just so focused on mr. Kim. I didn't realize that he was talking to spoilers zeb Um, so I need to go back and watch that to actually see him but
00:37:04
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Us talking about future projects and stuff, one project that we covered that I absolutely love was Tales of the Jedi. And we know that it took Rex some convincing for Ahsoka to finally turn around and it took her getting attacked. So I'm wondering if this is kind of like, he just has like a routine check in like, hey, you want to join us yet? Want to join us yet? Want to join us yet? Yeah, I think
00:37:26
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I'm very hesitant to think that any of our clones are going to show up in live action from the Bad Batch. I would love it. I would love to see a lot of these stories bleed into Ahsoka, but I'm also wanting to let each of these things be their own things after the way Book of Boba Fett went with Mandalorian season 2.5 pretty much.
00:37:49
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i would love some cameos i would like some interesting things we've lost my chance of getting the bradley baker is tech and i'm upset i was thinking it but yeah i i'm intrigued to know how deep into that synergy they want to go because. The soca show could be happening at any period of time we don't know if it's going to be. You know post fall of the empire this is still.
00:38:15
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pre-Empire going full, you know, tyrannical. So there's a lot of storytelling that needs to happen between points of what we know. But I'm excited to see how, again, how they tie all of this retroactive bow together.
Potential Live-Action Bad Batch Characters
00:38:31
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I would like to see Tamura Murs and play Rex, at least like in the full, like old Rex, like rebels Rex, depending on his range of acting. If he actually plays as Wolf and. Who did we see last week? What was his name?
00:38:47
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Oh, I can't remember. Hailey's going to be so mad at me for forgetting his name. How's her? No. It was the other one, the one with the loony voice. Tipping point last week. Fire something. Gregor. Gregor. Okay. Depending on his range of acting, if he can play Rex, Gregor and Wolf at the same time, that would be amazing to see, even if it's just like one scene.
00:39:18
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But yeah, I just think that it's difficult to do the live action without Tamara Morrison now. They're trying to just include him in the Clone Stories as much as possible. And while I feel he could nail Wrecker, maybe Echo, I don't see it for Hunter. And I'd rather see the live action of these people much older
00:39:48
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like Rex and Rebels than I would how we have the bad batch now. I also just think.
00:39:55
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You're kind of getting into spoiler territory as well, because let's say the Bad Batch showed up in this season of Ahsoka or whatever, and it's only Wrecker and Hunter. I'm immediately going to be like, well, now Crosshair's going to die at the end of the show. Now Echo's going to die. Where's everybody else? Where's the rest of the batch? Or the other thing, you see all of them show up and now it's like, well, death is off the table for any of these characters.
00:40:22
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I have now firmly made my decision. I don't want to see them show up until Bad Batch has ended. And we kind of know the fate of these characters, because if it had happened, you know, last year and tech mysteriously wasn't there, it would raise some serious red flags. So for sure. I'm sure I'm now on the complete other side of that fence. So I'll take old wrecks and that's about it. OK, that's yeah, I think that's a very valid point.
Casting Sylvester Stallone as Hunter: A Humorous Suggestion
00:40:48
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But we know we talk about to Mara Morrison.
00:40:52
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Possibly portraying these characters or deep Bradley Baker, but when it comes to hunter I think the only way you can go with that is Sylvester Stallone. He's the only person He doesn't even need to de age if it's Empire and in like 30 years that's just hunter is Sylvester Stallone because we also know the clones age quick so and
00:41:15
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Omega, you're not going anyway with them, Omega. Oh, man. Oh, that's amazing. Do we want to talk about Andre's theory? Because I feel like it is an interesting idea of not just clone the Emperor, but somehow get Ray's dad, because I agree. Who is getting with the Emperor?
Cloning Technology's Impact on Rey's Lineage
00:41:39
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That's the big question. Great wording, first of all.
00:41:42
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And there's a lot of, I guess they're focusing so much on this time period like before and after the original series because they just don't want to touch that anymore because it just didn't leave the best taste in everyone's mouth. So it's interesting that they're still adding this much storytelling to something that's happening way later that's potentially
00:42:04
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I guess being retconned or not being retconned or maybe they're just trying to make it better or add flavor to it to make it a little more enjoyable. I don't know what it is, but it's interesting that they're touching that timeline when they've avoided it in a lot of the newer content. It's making it better because still to this day, I will never forgive the fact that in a theatrical release of Star Wars, we got the words, the Emperor has returned somehow. That's exactly what I was going to bring up like that combined with
00:42:33
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Ray's lineage was such a source of rampant speculation and hype, and then eventually such a source of backlash and toxicity. Again, I brought it up before, I veer away from Ray and her dad and lean more into Snoke and that line specifically from Dominic Mahogany, where he's just like, the emperor has returned somehow, something about dark
00:42:58
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ancient Sith technology and like, that's it. And like, that's the only explanation we get. So yeah, I lean more towards like making that sit better rather than like really touching or like broaching raised lineage at all, because it's actually been interesting to hear like Daisy Ridley. I remember it was a few months back, but apparently she went to like Skywalker ranch or Lucasfilm and was having conversations and even like,
00:43:28
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John Boyega has been like in the news now saying it's just nice to be a fan again Like I still have this love for Star Wars But now that I'm like out of the spotlight not so close to it like I can just go back to enjoying it for sure Okay, anything else we want to talk about as far as bad batch the season finale goes I thought that there was another episode, but this is an incredible last episode and I I
00:43:55
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Hope that somebody in Filoni's office is listening to us and just taking notes to lessen up those.
00:44:03
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not as relevant episodes, or less than relevant episodes, and just giving us the spicy end of the hot sauce bar. And honestly, with them on the hunt for Omega, we might just get our wish. Because I feel like you can't really have the fun shenanigans. How much do you divert from that? Yeah, it's that weird, like, oh, they have a mission now. They are actually on a hunt. They don't have Sid giving them out side quests in a bar.
00:44:29
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The next person that says shenanigans is getting pistol whipped. I question the future of Sid in this showdown, too. Like, are they going to make up at some point when she's in trouble? Is she going to come back in some capacity or is his story just done? But I'd be fine if she's just done now. But like I said, fuck her and Froxall. Yeah, I'm I'm over Sid.
00:44:54
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If she gets her just come up inside, I'd be okay with that, but other than that, I have no use for her anymore. Okay, anything you gentlemen would like to let the listeners know about as we wrap up here? If you're a sportsman, as always, check out 323 with Reed Murphy. It's always a hoot. You will not be disappointed. That was a hoot!
00:45:19
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John Wick, one through four, which is now airing in theaters. Me and Matthew Carroll talked about it on Binger's Assemble. So if you want to hear me ramble about my martial arts experience and how much I was geeking out over the insane action choreography of all four of those films, Binger's Assemble.
00:45:35
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And we just did a recording with BBK of source pages to talk about Black Clover and it was a nice long, rambly conversation. We're very excited for the movie coming out June 17th and on Mayana J. Scottie's behalf we also have a quick reaction to the elemental trailer Pixar's new movie that's coming out soon.
00:45:59
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Lots coming out of the channel, lots we want to talk to you about. Remember, we're doing a news episode every week now, so please send in all the feedback and all the stuff that you're enjoying watching. Yeah, on the subject of news, I teased it for the last couple of weeks, but Stranded Panda has a new show, The Stranded Panda Network, and that is called Multiversal News. So I joined Matthew Carroll of the Marvel Cinematic Universe podcast, Haley Hobbs from Source Pages, and Jay Sisson of Commute the Podcast to
00:46:27
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launched the inaugural episode in which we discussed all of the news happening this week in the world of Marvel, DC, John Wick, just all your favorite franchises and fandoms. That's a new show. So go check that out on YouTube, Apple, Spotify, and
00:46:42
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00:47:04
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I don't know. I'm not nearly as busy as you guys. I feel like I'm, you know, really dragging things down here. But as always quit your job, record more, you know, if, if all of you out there just listen more, downloaded more, we might be able to pay me enough that I can quit my job and then be as busy as you all want. I will record anything, anything, uh, that you already request. Hey, you know, someday on a different site, you might get that audio fans to plug.
00:47:33
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00:47:52
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