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Jujutsu Kaisen S2 E20: Metamorphosis Pt 1 & 2
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We're down to the final stretch! Listen to us try to make everything make sense by bringing in references from ALL the other properties that exist.
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Episode Introduction and Hosts
00:00:01
Speaker
On another exciting episode of the Animation Delibration Podcast, we're hitting the final stretch. We got one episode left, but we got two today to talk about. We're going to talk about Metamorphosis Part 1 and Part 2 for Jujutsu Kaisen Season 2. Right off the bat, we have no control over. Thing along if you know the words. A one, two, three, it's time for animation deliberation. A conversation and a celebration of our favorite action animated series, yeah.
00:00:28
Speaker
Yeah, welcome back to another episode of Animation Deliberation, the podcast where we take action animation and cartoon seriously, but not too seriously. We're your hosts, I'm Zuhar Ali. And I'm Andrew Rogers. And I haven't seen you in a while, man. I know it's been so long. It's been a whole three days of actually hanging out in person.
Weekend Trip Stories
00:00:46
Speaker
Three whole days. Yes, listeners, we apologize so much for not getting anything out to you last week on this topic. But Zuh was traveling to come out and see me. We had a lovely weekend together. We went to go see a football game.
00:00:58
Speaker
the Washington Commanders versus the Los Angeles Rams, if you were curious. It was a fun time being in LA, but neither of us had watched anything that the other person had watched, and we were both exhausted by the end of the weekend. That was caught up. You were caught up on this, but you hadn't seen Boy and the Heron yet. That's true. That doesn't really happen. I still had. I had seen Boy and the Heron. You had seen J.J.K.
00:01:22
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So it just didn't work out for us to record anything. But either way, we were tired. We were playing Pokemon. We had other things to do.
00:01:30
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I gotta tell you guys for all the weaves out there, if you go to LA, check out little Tokyo. I was on autopilot at one point because we were there for like, what, four hours. Oh, you're just going. I somehow managed to knock area. I somehow managed to not buy a thing. It was a very difficult task. And I was I was just so exhausted two hours in, like I had been out
00:01:58
Speaker
all night the night before I was out all morning and then just like trying to walk but it's still like kind of look at this one kind of look at that one and then at one point Andrew was like I think this is the end of it and I was like no I'm following the the balloons like there's there's more there's more over here than we hit like a hold applause I'm just like yes we walked through so many stores every anime figuring you could think of every Pokemon plush every Gundam
00:02:29
Speaker
put together a project. They have everything here. If you can't make it to Tokyo, Little Tokyo does do really good in the way of merch and other things like that. The food also is not too bad either. I'm going to do a grocery store just because it's part of Little Tokyo. Why not? It's Don Quixote, which is a big deal in Japan. Little Tokyo is very fun. I was glad that I got to watch you just fully weave out pretty much.
00:02:58
Speaker
Yeah, but one of the biggest things about being in LA is because my body was not used to the lack of humidity. I was very dehydrated.
00:03:10
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Very dehydrated, very thirsty, and what was the one thing that helped me out?
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00:03:57
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00:05:23
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You got to get that hot water to soothe the throat when you know you're going to be talking for an hour, as opposed to the liquid IV that I was drinking all day. I'm like, how would it go in hot water? Do you think that would help to like- The immune support one actually does taste good in hot water. Is it good in hot water? I feel like that might have to be my next step after this. Yeah, because all citrusy anyways, so. Oh, you're right. So there you go, listeners. Pro tip from Zuhair and possibly myself. We'll see how that goes.
Jujutsu Kaisen: Metamorphosis Episodes
00:05:48
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Can confirm. Can confirm.
00:05:52
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Well, as you know, we would usually be doing a synopsis, uh, but we missed an episode and reading two synopsis, this sounds long. And, uh, I don't, I don't know if I really want to do that. So honestly, like, I'm never going to be the one to like, keep the episode short or anything like that. But if we can omit something to just get straight to the conversation, we can omit the boring part, the part that is just us reading off what everyone hopefully watched.
00:06:20
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Instead just talk about it because holy crap I can see why the entire time you were in Los Angeles you were trying you were fighting So many things that you wanted to say to me when I hadn't seen the episode I kept making references thinking that you had seen it cuz I kept forgetting and I go No, you didn't spoil anything for me I didn't mean I was paying that much attention the way that you were saying things because oh my gosh this thing
00:06:47
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Can it get better every week? I don't know, but like the trend keeps happening. Where that it metamorphosis part one was so good seeing Toto be this like all in was phenomenal. Yeah, it really is nobody safe. And I was genuinely worried for Toto. So I'm glad it was just his hand. I'm curious like how he's gonna because he's a smart dude, like how he's going to figure out how to use his curse technique again.
00:07:14
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Well, does it have to be flesh on flesh? That was the first question that I asked myself, like if he goes Anakin Skywalker here and ends up like a robot, does it still work? Yeah, or if somebody knows some type of reverse technique that could help them out, because coincidentally,
00:07:34
Speaker
Facebook reels just sends me random anime scenes all the time. But the Instagram reels are on Facebook now, right? But like, I guess I follow two very different things on each one. So it's like,
00:07:47
Speaker
Sometimes I get like a different, a very different algorithm for both. Gotcha. Okay. So like, so unlike the Facebook videos or Facebook reels or whatever, uh, I get anime clips a lot. Anime clips and DIY like home stuff, uh, and like car detail, like those are the three things that it's like going across. But the scene with Toto versus the special grade from season one came up and he specifically said that it has to be a clap.
00:08:16
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Which is why he was able to do it with Mahito's hand, but he couldn't do it with his nub. Until we had the whole joke of like, it's in your spirit in Metamorphosis Part 2, but I'm just like, you know, you can clap other things. There are a lot of jokes we could clap other things, but I will leave those to listeners to think about what those are.
00:08:43
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I was like, there's one way he could laugh. A quick shameful plug. I just finished doing a three, two, three. And we were doing this holiday version of this game called Cake or Caken. Oh, so it's like a really zoomed in picture of cake or somebody to ask and you have to guess which one it is.
00:09:04
Speaker
So obviously we're making a bunch of cake and jokes. The fact that you brought that up on those two, like, oh man, she can't get away from it today. When he was, even on the episode when he was saying things about like, I gotta make it clap, I was like, yeah, you could, there's definitely a way to do it. But yeah, I think he's really just joining the elite rank of one handed hot man is all that's happening.
00:09:29
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Yeah. At this point, we have two trends. We have silver hair with a blindfold and we have one hand and I don't know why this keeps happening, but here we are. I have
Epic Battles and Techniques in Jujutsu Kaisen
00:09:39
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nickel for every time. I have two nickels, but it's weird that it happened twice. Yeah. Yeah, the first person that crosses his mind is Sasuke having one arm now. And there was a part where
00:09:53
Speaker
He was fighting somebody and he only had the one hand. So he was like grabbing the other person's hand, like getting them to do the hand science for him to do his techniques, which is really cool. So the fact that like, uh, like requirement for Naruto. Yeah. So for him to just grab Mahito and just like make him clap his hand to get wrecked by a black flash was awesome. Honestly, the entirety of this fight was so just, it was dramatic. It was over the top.
00:10:23
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might be one of the best, like, you haven't seen my Final Form reveals that I've seen in a while, because like, Mahito's Final Form was so cool. Like, I still, still hate him, still hate him as a character. But as for the way that they looked and the way that that fight went down, was epic on so many proportions. Yeah. Like now we see why he was so excited to like, figure this out. Yeah, I mean,
00:10:51
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I felt like they were teasing it for a reason, but I don't think I expected it to go that far. If anything, I expected more of like, I'm actually your father, like human form or something along those lines. So to instead just get raw power was, it was so cool. And then the entire like battle happening on his cursed, like bodies was like, who needs a domain expansion when the battlefield is just like entirely yours? Yeah.
00:11:19
Speaker
Yeah, the fact that he picked up from Gojo's technique so quickly, it's like, oh, this is smart. That, that hurt me when he revealed like, uh, I was paying attention and this is what Gojo did was, you know, the 0.2 seconds. And it's like, no, no, you can't do this too. You can't get away with this. This shouldn't be allowed. You weren't even there. Like you were just watching you. You didn't even get attacked by this. Yeah, that's another scene I recently, I think it was yesterday.
00:11:48
Speaker
came up on the same doomscrolling where they had to explain all that. And he was like, do I save the people or do I take out the special grades? Yeah. Yeah. Mahito was there. It's a weird thing that Gojo was taking on like, what, four special grades at the same time. Oh, yeah. Gojo, Gojo is no joke. And
00:12:14
Speaker
I was even just thinking about how long ago it felt like that was because I was like two months ago, but it was super intense because Monica is finally catching up. So I've just been checking in with her like where she's at. She keeps saying these things. I'm like, God, that did happen this season, didn't it? That wasn't like three seasons ago. So much has evolved and happened that I forget who was where and when makes you wonder where the show's going to sad places. Honestly, I don't know. Like.
00:12:41
Speaker
I guess we'll kind of transition into talking about the next episode because we did the revelation that we're not even going to see the fight with Mei-Mei, We-We, and Sudogetto. And instead, they have fled. I'm just trying to figure out how does anyone explain what has happened. They can't just say this was an earthquake. They can't just say, there's a whole aerial
00:13:03
Speaker
Entirely destroyed like how do they explain this? How do they come back from this? How does anything happen? half of the jiu-jitsu sorcerers are probably gone like Where do they go? Where does this go? What is happening? I mean So people know that sorcerers Exist No, I don't think they do because whenever there's a big thing like it's the like law enforcement whatever that calls the sorcerers in right and
00:13:32
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No, I don't think it's like common knowledge. I feel like they have people on the inside, but I don't think it's like, oh, yeah, just anyone knows like, the sorcerers and cursed spirits exist because I don't think they want people to like, be living in fear because fear helps to create cursed energy.
World Building Comparisons: Jujutsu Kaisen vs. Demon Slayer
00:13:49
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Oh, I thought it was one of those like, well, since the normal people can't see it, we'll just operate like, as low key as we can. I mean, yes, but like,
00:14:00
Speaker
I think some people know, I wouldn't be surprised if law enforcement knows, obviously, but I don't think it's as, like, high profile. I guess Gato in the movie was, like, taking in clients and stuff to get those curses exercised. Yeah. May-May works for money. Yeah, like, they work for money. There definitely is... I don't know. Reddit, what answers do you have for me? I think it's like this weird middle ground of, like,
00:14:31
Speaker
They don't know how to explain it, but like, I think it's, I don't think it's a secret thing, but not everyone in the world cares because they can't see it. I think it's more on the secret end. Cause I think about like how when they have interacted with civilians, the civilians just have no idea what's going on. Like, I don't think they know who those, these people are. I don't think they were like, look, Gojo is here. He's wearing like the Jujutsu uniform.
00:15:01
Speaker
or whatever, like, they're just out there living. I don't think... Because also think of like Demon Slayer, right? Like, demons aren't hidden from anybody. But they're obviously causing problems. But this organization is just kind of like on the side of law enforcement and... But I don't think like the regular law doesn't know
00:15:24
Speaker
No, because I remember it had to be like, excuse the fact that I'm carrying a sword. Yeah, exactly. So like, it's not like secret either. It's just like such a niche thing that like, the general population doesn't really care about it. But I think it's also easily explained away by the fact that Demon Slayer takes place in like, the Edo period, as opposed to this taking place in the modern day, wherein like, back then people were uninformed. Tundrel probably didn't know about demons because he was like, living in the mountains with his family.
00:15:54
Speaker
up until that point. Whereas I think it's also like how fewer people are coming into contact with them in that world as opposed to in this world. It could if we're going modern, it could be like
00:16:07
Speaker
us with aliens supposedly roaming around. We're popping in and out. People believe it there, but the general population won't expect to... No, that's honestly exactly how I view it. There are superstitious people that are believing in curses and different things like that in this version of Japan, but it's not the populace. Did you start watching about Psycho? I was halfway through the second season when I got distracted and started watching something else. But there you go. I think that's a perfect example of
00:16:37
Speaker
Oh no, regular people believe in psychics and curses happening to them. And most people are just like, oh, these don't exist. But then there's the handful of people that can actually see them and take care of them. Oh no, this is a problem. I think we finally got to the same page of where we think this world's at. Yeah, I don't even think law enforcement really knows. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the management whatever makes them think that it's a sect of the government closing things off.
00:17:06
Speaker
I don't know. There's too many logistical questions. Like this show already does a bad job of explaining the powers. You really think they're gonna break down how the government structure works and how they can close down the entirety of Shibuya? Yeah, because I'm trying to think of like when the kids were murdered at the theater and how sorcerers showed up like based off what the case was like, but they actually have permission to like go in and look around. Like those are the things I'm thinking of when I say that.
00:17:31
Speaker
Yeah, because I do feel like I remember something about them saying... It's like S.H.I.E.L.D. agents coming up. It's like, who are you? Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. And then there's some sort of cover up to say like, oh, here's what actually happened. That they end up telling the news and the authorities, but I don't know if they're necessarily tied together or if it's just like, again, above your pay grade.
00:17:53
Speaker
So after the episode, that was a fun derail. I think that's the kind of things you should listen to this podcast about. Every now and again, we just talk about what you see on screen, but then we get those conversations like, this is actually interesting.
Character Dynamics and Humor
00:18:05
Speaker
This dives into the extra, extra curriculum. And this is why we skip reading the synopsis. So that we could just do stuff like this. We have time for that.
00:18:14
Speaker
But yeah, as soon as I was confused with so The way that gate to rolled up and he's like do you want me to save you? Like I thought it was gonna be like one of those typical anime tropes of like oh you got beat you're useless to me now like Vegeta and Nappa type of thing but then it made me realize when Mahito was like trying to touch ghetto that I
00:18:37
Speaker
Mahito probably knew that Gato was just waiting for him to hit his perfect form like that's what he was waiting for for Gato to be able to absorb him and utilize his power. I assumed it was either perfect or him being weak enough because there's the whole like multiple soul thing he might not have been able to absorb but until like he was just down to one like how do you absorb all the others that's not really curses that's the whole thing is curse absorption
00:19:02
Speaker
Yeah. So that's why he was like training him and like teaching him and everything. So it's like he could get to that point where it's like, you were perfect for me now. Yeah. And perfect for some sort of plan. I feel like this, the reveal was interesting. I don't know. I like this whole reveal of like, Oh, it's actually like one of the most evil sorcerers to ever exist. I feel like it would have been cool if we knew who this was beforehand.
00:19:32
Speaker
Like I'm sitting now like, Oh, it's cool. This person obviously has a scheme that they're going on. And that's how this whole like back end magic has been happening. But just the Voldemort of the jujitsu world. Yeah. Like every, I think it was everyone's reaction made me care about it, but just from like an observer perspective, like, but wouldn't it be interesting if we had already heard name drops of this person or if they had been like referenced of, Oh, we haven't seen anything like this since such and such or anything along those lines. I think it could have been.
00:20:02
Speaker
Interesting, but regardless correct me up when the Archer was like me I'm also they had so many of like the old-school season one funny moments in this episode where it was just like Panda in this form and then like oh This his name is also
00:20:23
Speaker
So it's like, wait, there were just so many of those little moments. We didn't even talk about the entirety of the Toto in his imagination scene from last episode. Oh yeah, that was delightful. I was just like, I see in the top, it says, in his imagination, what is actually happening? What's really going down? But the fact that it was started by him dropping the locket and seeing those two, just his crush next to his brother. I was like, oh my God, tell me to stop this.
00:20:51
Speaker
And then the, and I'll just tag on with more of the funny moments, the pheromones count up. Dangerous pheromones. Are you sure you're not like doing something dangerous here? Yeah, that part had me dying. While we're doing season one callbacks, they used a lot of the music, especially the music that used to be like the transition to commercial one. So the fact that they were utilizing a lot of that for the fight scenes was really cool to hear.
00:21:19
Speaker
Yeah, the music was really good. I feel like they also threw in, um, they brought in the end song like halfway through the episode during the fight scene. And then I was just like, Oh, okay. Are we getting ready
Anticipation for Jujutsu Kaisen Finale
00:21:30
Speaker
to wrap up? I feel like we just got here. What's happening? Um, but no, they were just like, this is going to happen and you're going to get the full extended version of the song. Cause it went beyond what we usually hear in the end credits. And I was like, Oh, this is super cool. This is really jamming right along. But, um, yeah, it feels like we're hurtling toward the end of the season because, uh,
00:21:50
Speaker
Yeah, we have the reveal that Choso is like his biological brother, not just like the Toto level of brother. And I don't. I mean, we only know about Yuji's grandpa. So. Oh, that's right. Okay. Yeah, we only know about his grandpa. We know nothing about his parents. And Choso was saying that he has three parents because his actual dad was manipulated by the thing. So it's like, what if it was a similar thing for Itadori?
00:22:19
Speaker
And was it that his actual dad was manipulated or was it that his like, it was a demon or not a demon, a curse and a combo? Yeah, like a curse manipulated one of his parents and he was like, born of this demon or this of this combo brain thingy.
00:22:44
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know something along those lines because it was interesting to see that the person had like the stitching across their head still. Yeah, I'm thinking of like the the zoo stories of like shape-shifting and then just like having a parade with regular humans. Like what if this brain demon Noritoshi, Noritoshi Kamo has been doing that pseudo get toe. Yeah, I'm all I can think of is like Star Wars, the whole like
00:23:12
Speaker
there was no father. She just like had a baby with a forage like I'm getting those similar vibes. So the fact that either doesn't have either of his parents like what's the dark story there? Yeah, I feel I didn't even think about the fact that we didn't know the lineage. So that's super, super cool. Like what is his grandfather know about any of this? Like, what what part did they play? Did they conveniently die in a car crash?
00:23:39
Speaker
Yeah, it could be something along those lines. You know, Harry Potter this, we're just gonna break out all the pop culture references when not having parents. But I feel like this kind of answers the question of we asked where the show is going. These are a lot of questions I do not think we're getting answers to next week. I'm forgetting his name again, but they name dropped the guy from the movie. Yuta? Did they name drop Yuta? They like called his last name.
00:24:08
Speaker
When did they do that? I miss that. What was that about? I forgot the actual context of it, but they name dropped him and I was like, huh. Honestly, though, where is Yuta? Like, that is a question that I have had multiple times this season. Like, give me Yuta. Yuta could be hopeful. Yeah, Okotsu. Is that just one of the big families? Is that what it is? It could be because Satoro said that he's like a distant cousin of his.
00:24:38
Speaker
Yeah, so maybe it's something along those lines because I know that was a big part of the thing was like, oh, we have the big family set up. And you have the Gojo clan, you have the Zenan clan, and then I think you have one other. It's probably this one, the Kotzu. Is it or is it Kamu? I don't know. More questions and answers. Again, I think I don't know how we only have one episode left. I want to be like, oh, we'll get answers. I'm like, we still have to deal with like what's happening in the moment now. We have to deal with who's fighting.
00:25:08
Speaker
Just gotta tell his map off figuring their shit out. Yeah, I heard a joke the other day and I was like, that's really true. No one hates JJK characters more than Gigi or Gage. I don't know how you pronounce the author's name, but I feel like he really has it out for all of these characters in some way, shape or form because it was like, yay, more of our friends that we know arrived. I'm like, oh no, more of our friends are cannon fodder to just take down on the screen now, aren't they? Like,
00:25:35
Speaker
The more people that show up, the more problems I feel like we're going to have. All right, you're right. The Three Gates sorcerer families of the Jiu-Jitsu world are the Zenins, the Gojos, and the Kamo. They are the three distinguished clans that have existed for over 1,000 years, having already existed in the Heian area, the Golden Age of Sorcery. There you go. So that's exactly why this is also a big deal, because this evil entity comes from one of the big three families. So yeah, you have that to go off of.
00:26:05
Speaker
crazy. But then, like, again, we have one episode left, we have a lot of fallout and talking to deal with, but we also still have Yuki just showing up out of nowhere at the end of this episode, like last character that I thought was going to come back from the first five episodes is just here now, like retrospectively, we're near the end of the season. Those first five episodes actually did so much whilst doing so little. And then while the
00:26:35
Speaker
Of all the intensity that was in the conversation that her and Gato had, that was the question she needs an answer to. I thought it was going to be like, what did you decide about eradicating humans? And she was like, no, kind of girly like. Yeah, I think that's also part of it. Like, well, what's happening with this conversation? Does she still feel like that's a viable option? Does she still agree with that previous path that she was talking about? Or does she know that this is not the Gato that she talked to all those years ago? Like, what information does she even have at this point?
00:27:04
Speaker
But even back then, 20 some odd episodes ago, which is crazy to say, we said like, oh, wow, we've now seen all of the top sorcerers on screen, but there's only one that we have not seen their power. And now it is time to change that. And I'm so excited. They, they brought the house down with all of the animation between the fights in the last 10 episodes. They've just continued to pump out more and more like map. We have given you so much grief over this.
00:27:34
Speaker
But wow, did you like, you saved it all for this. Honestly, these last kind of episodes, I have like no complaints when it comes to how the fight scenes have gone, how great everything has looked, how easy it is to track all of the action. Like it feels like they're pulling from the manga pages in a very, very easy to understand translation. Like at no point have I been that confused as to where the action is going, what's actually happening on screen instead, they're just making it happen. And I feel like that's not easy to do.
00:28:02
Speaker
Yeah, at first there was a lot of fights that we had to keep track of. And then it just got to the point where they were like, let's just skip Amy. We're going to send her to Malaysia to do whatever things with the wee-wee. I had seen that manga panel pop up on my feed prior to. And I was like, OK, whatever. It's fine. This is going to be like two seasons from now. They're not actually going to animate this. It's whatever. And then it popped up on the screen. I was like, no, no.
00:28:29
Speaker
Why are we doing this? And then I saw it in my feed later after I watched the episode, people being like, oh my God, they actually did it. I was like, it wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. It's nowhere near as like, because again, I had seen some of the Chainsaw Man manga panels before that happened. She unraveled her braid. She did. I'm sure there could be plenty of work in that room. But yeah, it was, they saved it for this. I'm kind of glad because you and I were even talking like, what's going on with Mei Mei? How do we
00:28:59
Speaker
get that to go down. Now, instead, let's just jump to this. Let's hopefully save some people from the prison realm. I feel like the fact that that's even still a question, uh, terrifies me because I don't know what they do if we don't. Yeah. Like do we start season three with Gojo still be chilling in there? We could, that could be like the next quest is to like free him from that because, but also like how, how much do
00:29:27
Speaker
negative sorcerers and curses run amok if he still is I think that's the bigger question yeah I definitely have their work cut out for them despite being very understaffed at this point yeah also where are the headmasters of the schools can can we get them in here please
00:29:46
Speaker
Like any I want to see the old man fight because a you always get cool old man fights in anime But be like he should be here to save all these people. So let's let's make that like how did the Kyoto people make it all the way over from their city before the JJK teachers made it over Or headmasters or whatever. Well, we know the JJK headmaster is like waiting in the wings for the whole like People yeah, so we've at least seen him but I'm like, where's the old man from the Kyoto school?
00:30:15
Speaker
The guitarist? Yeah. He was interesting. He was interesting. I love the guy. I was just talking shit to him all the time though. And we could get more of that. I'd be okay, but I feel like if this is not an all hands on deck situation, I don't know what is. Like, are you telling me there's not another school hiding somewhere up north that we could be pulling people from? Like, come on. The frost chick was really cool. Yeah. Have we seen her power before? Because I was like, this is new. We haven't seen this.
00:30:45
Speaker
Yeah. And the way that everyone was super surprised at like Frost being that powerful, I was like, this is interesting. Does that mean that there's some like elements that are not normally as powerful because there's some things like the blood, they were like, Oh, wow. We've seen this before. Where's the ice? They were like, Oh, whoa. This is something that we're not usually used to. So I would be curious to know if like different techniques have no. Thresholds of power. Yeah. I think it's one of those things. You just need some training to get it to that level. Cause even see like.
00:31:15
Speaker
Todoroki, like his siblings aren't nearly as proficient as he is with just producing that much ice at once. I feel like we cannot be comparing quirks and techniques right this moment.
Power Dynamics in Anime
00:31:25
Speaker
I mean, I'm like thinking of the one ice character in Naruto, too. So it's like I'm hopping between different. Animes and just how they perceive the use of ice techniques, though. I mean, we're going to talk about spending in Avatar next, like how deep do you want to dig this hole? Because I feel like an anime.
00:31:43
Speaker
It's not technically an animation. It's Korean animation with American English. Yes, I know, but we're... That was the only other example that I could think of off the top of my head. We've brought Harry Potter and Star Wars into this. Like, let me have my Naruto and My Hero Academia moment. I get it. I know what you're shooting for, but it's not the same. I'd be, like, comparing, like... It's not that far off, either. I mean, it's not, but the rules of the world for every one of these is different because they write it themselves.
00:32:10
Speaker
I want to let you have it. I do, but I can't just like say, okay, yeah, Pokemon rules apply. Go. Let's just get it on a Pokeball. That's what he did to Gojo. As soon as it started coming out of my mouth, it was like, wait, this is a really bad example. I will win. He does win. And for all of that, I think the listeners win because they just got to hear me in full defeat there. And he's holding up a Pokeball to camera.
00:32:39
Speaker
just to rub it in.
Podcast Reflections and Future Plans
00:32:41
Speaker
I do think that's all that I have to say, though. These episodes were phenomenal. Like I said, we're hurtling toward the finish line as much as I'm like emotionally ready for it to end. I'm also a little sad because we've been doing this for so long. I would have rioted, absolutely rioted if anything happened to me. Well, I thought she was actually going to have a moment and do something cool. And then it was just her sword breaking her almost dying. I was like, Oh, no, don't actually be useless. Please stay alive. I love you.
00:33:10
Speaker
And that was the moment where I was concerned that everyone was cannon fodder. Like that was where it was. I was like, Oh, no, no, no, no. And I get that it didn't matter. But at one point where they were just like, Yeah, Joseph's pretty exhausted. Um, this could be seven V one right now. Should we help out? Yeah, I guess we should help out. And then the ice first interview is like, okay, well, that was useless anyways, but probably should have stepped in sooner. Well, I mean, can you blame them? Like he literally was like, this man tried to kill me, like,
00:33:40
Speaker
20 minutes ago, because like, yeah, we saw that how many episodes ago, but it's probably been roughly 20 minutes. Just try it out me, john. Gosh, that was I really want them to both come out so we can actually have some interaction between them and be like, are we cool? Are you
00:33:59
Speaker
Is this is this night now? Should we move in like what's happening? I kind of want to see I did like that explanation of like why he was freaking out because he had that level of a connection with his brothers Because before it was just kind of like can we get some context here and that was like what feels like 10 episodes ago So I'm glad that there was some I mean sure like we still have answers, but at least it wasn't like just out of the blue It's like oh, yeah, like give me something to progress on
00:34:27
Speaker
And yeah, it explains the fact that it explains how it happened. And I, it felt really gratifying. I don't know why, but it was like, we saw it all go down and just had no answers. Bad jujutsu kasenas explaining. Thanks. And made me because it was like perfectly foreshadowed, perfectly made sense. They said it and they're like, here's the explanation. And I was like, yeah, I have no more questions. They did it. Good job. Good job. Indeed. Next week is it. Next week is it. It's going to be sad.
00:34:56
Speaker
But we have plenty of other animated things coming around the bend. We've already had a ton of anime announcements for the first part of 2024. So we're going to be looking forward to that. We have Marvel's What If starting tomorrow, if I'm not mistaken, on Disney Plus. Oh, was it not Christmas Day? No, I believe it's the 22nd. And then it's 10 days from there. Because there is a Christmas episode coming out on Christmas Day. But yeah, there's 10 episodes.
00:35:24
Speaker
I'm sorry listeners, we do not have it in us to do episode a day for the next 10 days. So maybe we'll do a mid season or a end of season something. We'll see what's going on. But yeah, we'll wanna round that up totally. In the meantime, definitely check out the Marvel Cinematic Universe podcast. I know that they have, they allegedly, I should say, have the energy to do 10 episodes in 10 days.
00:35:51
Speaker
We'll see how that goes, but definitely keep up with them. I know Jay Scott has been talking about that over on multiverse news with them. And speaking of multiverse news, if you want to check out the most recent episode that came out, I believe it would be the most recent episode. Regardless, I was invited to guest on the multiverse newscast. We talked about Marvel animation, anime, movies. My opinions are all over the place, as you know.
00:36:18
Speaker
Got to stretch my legs a little bit, not just talk about animation. Got to talk about, you know, the Oscars and Air Bud, funnily enough. So if you want to really hear my thoughts on Air Bud, that conversation went on oddly wrong. So I'm hoping they kept it in. But yeah, I was on the MultigRish newscast, it was a great time, and it is a great show to generally check out if you want to keep up with all of your entertainment news. Outside of that, Zuhair, you already kind of did that shameful plug.
00:36:45
Speaker
but just in case people weren't paying attention, where else can they find you outside animation deliberation on a pretty regular basis? Yeah, 3-2-3 with Reed Murphy. That's R-E-I-D. Football season has three games left, and then we're hitting the postseason. I actually am going to be making my first game for the show as we get closer to the Super Bowl, too. So that's going to be very exciting. Oh, so you're telling me cake versus cake and was not your idea?
00:37:14
Speaker
No, but spoiler, I did win this week. I am just a victim to it. I know my pixels. You really want to have the words cake and pixels that close to each other in an audio, in an editable format here? Edible format?
00:37:38
Speaker
Well, I said it's here. It is an edible format. Let me tell you what, whether it be cake or cake, it is delicious. Yeah. So I feel like we're going to be doing a lot more.
00:37:50
Speaker
like season recap episodes in the next, you know, coming weeks and possibly months just because all of us have had big life changes and holiday season is exhausting and it's been tougher and tougher to do like weekly things. Like we haven't forgotten about Invincible or Scott Pilgrim or Spy Family or whatever I'm forgetting to mention. We haven't forgotten it.
00:38:17
Speaker
Well, that's just a lot going on in life. So we'll do our best to. Oh, attack on Titan. That's what I forgot. Uh, Chrissy, I did get that, you know, I've been dying to talk about it. We just have not been able to get our ducks in a row. So I think this just makes more sense to like talk about a lot of things at once instead of trying to do a bunch of weekly stuff. So we're doing our best guys. Yes. And if you have any thoughts for the show, anything that you would like us to cover, anything that you're just like, Hey, this would be an awesome way for me to consume the format as a listener.
00:38:48
Speaker
As always reach out to us on all of the different platforms. Uh, the zoo pair loving we mentioned at the end of every episode because yeah, we're always looking for feedback, always looking to make this show better and always looking to have fun with it because that's what we do this for is fun and for all of you. So thank you so much. Yeah. I was going to steal it from you. No, I don't know. Does it feel right? Does it feel wrong?
00:39:15
Speaker
It's not mine, so I really don't care. It just needs to be said. That's true. As always, keep tuning in. That's T-double-O-N-I-N. And as always, stay alone. And I still get the last word, muscle muscle.
00:39:30
Speaker
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