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Jujutsu Kaisen S2 Ep 23: Shibuya Incident - Gate, Close
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Season 2 has finally concluded and we've got a lot to look forward to, and a action packed season to look back on!
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Podcast Introduction and Host Health
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On another exciting episode of the Animation Deliberation podcast, just like Satara Gojo, we are all wrapped up with Jujutsu Kaisen Season 2. We're going to talk about that much more right after these ads. We have no control over. Sing along if you know the words. One, two, three, it's time for animation deliberation. A conversation and a celebration of our favorite action animated series. Yeah.
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Yeah, welcome back to another episode of Animation Deliberation the podcast. Good lord. We're going to take Action Animation and Cartoon seriously, but not too seriously. I am your under the weather host, Zuhara Lee. And I am your feeling much better this week host, Andrew Rogers. Yeah, we just take it turns to keep the balance covering for each other, but we're here. We make it happen. And for a finale such as this,
Season Finale Reactions
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a lot of anticipation going into the season, a lot of delay between the movie and the season, lots of scrutiny over the season, and it's finally over. How are we feeling? Confused? I'm so happy to be here. It was gratifying to get to the end. It's like, okay, we made it. This is the finale. But gosh, if I wasn't holding my head through half of this, just trying to disseminate the information that was in front of us,
00:01:12
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It wouldn't be a JJK season finale if you're not left asking more questions than you have answers to because I feel like that was that was really how this felt. Yeah, because like, we talk about how they're not very good at explaining things. No, they are not. And there was an episode dedicated to explaining things.
00:01:31
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It was an episode dedicated to explaining things, but so much dialogue to keep up with, even reading it, even pausing, even thinking about it was just so... We'll get into it deeper as we get into this episode, but it goes back to the whole, I need to understand techniques. I need to understand who these people are. I need to remember names from 40 episodes ago. It is just intense. It's really funny, Monica.
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is flying through the season now. She's trying to catch up for the finale. So Monica was going through the finale. Sorry about that. Yeah, no worries.
Fight Scenes vs. Story Complexity
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Yeah, so Monica is going through the finale, fighting the curse, getting to the finale. She got to the part of like Sukuna fighting the cursed dog, whatever thing that I cannot remember the name of. And
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She looked at me and she's like, the fight was great. I was keeping up. But I just like tuned out half of what was going on. I don't know who these characters are, what their powers are, because I just can't keep up anymore. And I'm like, that is exactly how I felt through most of this show is just I can't keep up with the dialogue. I'm going to watch a pretty fight scene. And then to get all this dialogue at the end, I was like, no, where's my pretty fight scene? It was it was intense. It was a lot. But it was also really good because it did answer some of the questions that we've been having all season and a lot of what was set up
00:02:53
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I'm just upset that we didn't get to see some specific characters do specific things that I feel like we've been waiting for. And then it's interesting like how much we used to crap on anime for like how many times they would like refer to something that happened the episode before and be like we just watched it move on why are we wasting 20 minutes of time like to do this and now it's like what are they talking huh this happened what I just but
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So it's a lot. It is a lot. This definitely is just more of a visible show
Weekly Viewing vs. Binge Watching
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for me. And it's sad to say, but also, because of the popularity of the show now that I'm invested, spoilers come out like that.
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I will say I am not on, I think about halfway through this season, it redeemed itself for me that I am not on Team Binge. I was so happy to keep up every week and be like, okay, what's happening? How is this going to go? Because watching a couple episodes in a row, oh, God, that would have been rough. Like, I think having the break and the breather and the like, okay, I need to know what happens next week, but also I can unwind a little bit from the reeling emotions that are going through me of these characters.
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Key Plot Points Recap
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But speaking of feeling some kind of way, we've talked at length about how this episode explains things. And in case you need a recap, I feel like there is no better week for us to read a recap. But I feel like I need it just to make sure we have all the information. Here you go with should be incident gate close.
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Yuki confronts Sudogetto over their conflicting ideologies. The former believing humanity's next step in evolution is the removal of cursed energy, while the latter believes in optimizing cursed energy. Sudogetto proceeds to remotely activate Mahito's idle transfiguration on two different kinds of non-sorcerers all over Japan. Those who consumed cursed objects like Yuji, and those with latent cursed techniques like Junpei.
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turning them all into sorcerers. Among those awakened are Sumiki Fushiguro. Sudogetto declares he will force the two groups to kill each other in order to gain a deeper understanding of cursed energy. Rame's ice melts due to a poison from Chozo's blood, but Sudogetto unleashes a horde of cursed spirits, allowing them to escape. Telling Yuji, he has high expectations for him and Sukuna.
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He's bringing the world back to the high end age. In the aftermath, people around the country are reacting to the mysterious attack on Shibuya, while the government struggles to deal with everything, planning to go public about the existence of cursed energy as cursed spirits grow more rampant among the streets.
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Meanwhile, the Jujutsu higher ups declare Gojo and accomplished to the Shibuya incident, sentenced Principal Yaga to death and reinstate Yuji's execution with Yuta Okatsu named his executioner. The second half of this episode was really interesting because it was in some ways a time skip and they had the right idea on certain parts
00:08:41
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but they weren't very consistent on it. But I do want to compliment them on what they were going for. And that is the horror aspect that Kai's and Zero and Season 1 have had. I wanted to see more of the cars on the road, no one's driving, the girl's little doll laying in the middle of the street. I wanted to see more of the chaos that came about from this.
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I think there was too much time spent on people listening to the news and less of how terrible of a state that we're actually in right now. Last week we even talked about like, are there government officials that know about this? Is it a secret agency? Is it a secret concept?
Curses and Global Impact
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Did the rest of the world know about it? I think we got like some answers with that in this sequence.
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So I was grateful for that. But the way that despite the fact that I'm just shivering because I'm sick right now, that actually gave me like heebie jeebies, seeing the girl in the market just eating the scrap food and the the lure that the curse had trying to like call her in and the build up to that I'm just like, they got to get back to more of this because
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I'm not a big horror fan and that was an aspect of the first season that I really liked is that the curses genuinely made me uncomfortable. Yeah, I think it's the weird way that these like small level curses are much more of like spooky scary ghost, as opposed to these big ones that are just like, oh, they're the most powerful, essentially sorcerers, but they're just curses.
00:10:22
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out there. But yeah, you mentioned that they laid a lot of groundwork for those horror sequences, they showed a lot of like, what's going on. And I do think it was a nice, slow build to the confusion and the chaos and just like, there was no explanation. We saw that circle slowly growing knowing that the curses were getting further out. That means more people were going to be, you know,
00:10:47
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under attack and having problems. So it did a lot to aid that. And yeah, it answered kind of our biggest question that it is not public knowledge of curses. Like some people might believe it, they might be conspiracists, but now they're going to go public and this is going to be real information. So
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I feel like what is the world military gonna do? Yeah, it's a world military. There was a lot of insinuations about like how the US might step in, and how all of these world powers aren't going to take this. Like there's a lot of questioning going on about that. And I think it sets up the question that we've been asking this whole time is where does the show go? It's gonna be an entirely new world in season three, I feel like.
00:11:31
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you know, it's kind of been always set in a Japan that we understand it's a modern world, but there's some, you know, inter workings going on in the background at juju too high feels like this upcoming season is just being set up to be true chaos, true fictional world, I'm getting almost like
00:11:50
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Like the beginning of infinity war kept in America like Civil War vibes where it's like Oh, we're gonna have a bunch of our people disavowed and they're going underground But they're secretly trying to save people like I'm almost hoping that we get a cross of horror and like secret agent vibes Going on because that's a lot of what I felt like I was getting at the end as it was like Okay, these people have to now come out of hiding and they have to help people and they're like everyone's at risk But they don't even know how big that risk is like super cool
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But it's a lot to suddenly have like halfway through this episode just flipped the switch from Shibuya incident to back to like the aftermath.
Character Speculations and Confusion
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Like there was not a transition. It just was literal record cut on the music. Okay, we're going to something else now. Yeah, as he went through the portal and the gate clutches like
00:12:42
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Yeah, I was confused and concerned. For all the excitement for Yuta, like when's he going to come back? How is he going to come back? What's the purpose? I think it's going to be like him and Itadori working together. But to find that that Gojo is a criminal, principal Yaga is a criminal, I don't understand that one at all. And then. For this to be. Itadori is in hiding and Yuta is hunting him is just
00:13:11
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This is quite the time jump. Yeah, you to like reappearing. I had that little cheer like there he is. We've been waiting for you. So happy, so confident. Yeah. Oh, my God. Look at Rita. That's a little over the top. Can we can we cool it down here? I was like, oh, no, this is this is getting to be a bit much.
00:13:34
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But yeah, I think the explanation that I would have with Principal Yuga is one of two things either a they're just using him as like a scapegoat. Sure. Just to be like you sent in Gojo whom we're blaming. So you are at fault or
00:13:53
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remember, like, this is where the first five episodes really kind of come into play. He was the one that said to go Joe and ghetto, like, do what you want, make this world your own. Like, you don't have to go through with what the, you know, the higher ups are saying. They could be linking it way back to him, like inciting what happened between go Joe and ghetto, like, way back, which would be a super deep cut for them to know, unless like, principal Yaga,
00:14:21
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through his hand up and said, this is my fault. But I think it was the more interesting thing that Gojo is like being declared an accomplice. I don't know if it's a scapegoat. I don't know if that's just not information, if they're assuming that, like, because it is ghetto, that they were best friends. So he would have had something to do with it. I'm very intrigued that it's going to be spun somehow in season three.
00:14:45
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Maybe it has to do with the Tengen story and how they took the vessel away, like maybe a delay in that was like the cause of like maybe pseudo-getto or the brain curse or whatever, like getting out. Yeah, they're- They mentioned Tengen a lot, but still, you know, like nothing about him. And so that right there is a
00:15:08
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A little bit of where I say this episode is really confusing is in that first half where they're throwing out Tengen's name and there was the picture of the big hole in the ground. So I was like, are we going to see Tengen's power? And like it was kind of thrown out that that might have been where it got the idea or they were you at first, I thought they were using
00:15:28
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their power to amplify what was going on. But I don't think that was actually the answer that we were given. I think even in this synopsis, they just mentioned that it was remotely activating Mahito's technique. So I feel like there's some other thing going on with Tengen. And again, we didn't even get to see, I don't have her name in front of me, but the main, like,
00:15:52
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top-level sorceress that came back. We didn't even... Oh, is that Yuki? It's the first word. There you go. Yuki didn't even get to see her technique, didn't even get to see really much of that. It was just a small confrontation of like, hey, here it is, and then that was it. Talking to Datori, they've been buddies for so many years. Oh my gosh. And the animation on her was just so... It was delightful. It was funny. It was so many things that...
00:16:19
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It felt like we were getting just two pals, like you say. We also don't even have the answer, just side note of Novartis fate. That's a whole thing that is still in there. What about Maki? She caught on fire last time we saw her. I'm assuming that Maki's gone just in the fate of everyone else, including
00:16:44
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Why can I not remember? Not on me. Like, come on. Yeah, like, finding out everyone's fate like that. I have to imagine. But yeah, it was interesting how much Sudogedo wanted Jogo's power to.
00:16:58
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Yeah, was that just like an extra, eh, I can get something out of this? Or was there actually like a purpose that now we're going to find out that he can't do a portion of his plan because of that? Again, so much talking in the first half of this episode that I'm just like scanning the cliff's notes in my head. And I watch- Terrible means all I can think of. Yeah, but I think that's the craziest thing. I watched this
00:17:24
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maybe an hour ago, if that, like, I made sure to watch it going into this knowing that there was going to be plenty to talk about, plenty to do, and I still am grasping at straws of the information that was presented. That's... This is going to be worth a rewatch, possibly in English, just to be able to slow it down and hear it and read it at the same time, like, fully get the information because we have to watch things at half speed.
00:17:48
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Yeah, literally watch things at half swing. And I think it's hard because we were in the middle of an intense situation, so trying to read it while you're also getting a read on who's okay, who's gonna be able to fight. Oh no, look, there's an entire horde of curses that are like pouring out of nowhere. There was so much going on that the information almost took a backseat at times. Apparently, this is gonna casually bring up that Inamaki lost his arms to Itadori.
00:18:17
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Yeah, I think that's another great question is, was this purposeful? Like, did this happen off screen and, like, Itadori got in a fight? Or was this, was it Sukuna Itadori? Because we know that he was on site at Shibuya. So, like, there was that little moment where he was like, don't worry, I got this and was taking out curses on the street. Is that where it happened? I'm very intrigued.
00:18:47
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Hmm. Okay. I thought we saw him like a snippet of him once after that, but I could be wrong. I don't. I don't think we've seen him again since prior to either going underground. I think that would be the last. It was just a name drop like, you know, Maki said that you guys were down here. I remember being brought up in some capacity. I just can't remember how.
Yuta's Return Discussion
00:19:11
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Maybe it was just a name drop. Yeah, I want to know where you has been at, though, like where was you to hiding during all of this is suddenly like he's back and now he's got to get revenge. Like, hey, what were you doing the whole time that we could have used your help, sir? It's Gojo that finds him in the end credit scene of the movie. Yeah, dude.
00:19:36
Speaker
He's part of like the class, isn't he? It's like a distant cousin. What do you mean a distant cousin?
00:19:45
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Oh, the classroom. Yeah, he's he's like Maki and Ponda, Ponda, Panda and Inamaki's class. Yeah, like he's in Inamaki's class. That's why he actually cares about him so much. But I feel like that's the bigger like, OK, but we assigned all of the classmates to this situation, despite some of them very clearly, like possibly not being capable of the situation. Where was the most capable of all of them? Well, apparently he was in another country, but now I'm wondering, like,
00:20:13
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Did Gojo find him before all this happened? Did he actually see this coming and put Yuta in, keep him informed? Is this way afterwards? Are we not getting fruition to that end credits scene for a while? When did that end credits scene happen? That's what I want to know now. The end credits scene you're talking with... With Yuta, the chef villain from the movie,
00:20:39
Speaker
They're just like sitting at a table and eating outside and then Gojo just walks up to them and it's like, hey, it's been a while. Oh, yeah. Wait, tie this in. That's right. I guess that could technically be before all of this. Yeah. Oh, interesting. I didn't even think about that. Because it's it's most likely not after because it matters like arcs and arcs and arcs after and then again, every episode we're questioning like how far is the show actually going?
00:21:08
Speaker
Yeah, well, but I mean, that's a bigger thing. We talk about, OK, it could be later. Go just still in the prison room like he's gone. There is. That's why these spirit, these curses are about to run amok. Like I was very surprised by that. I was very surprised that we didn't get some sort of like, haha, I had a way out or someone saving like, no, the world is in disarray. It felt like they were kind of setting up that it's the last hope.
00:21:36
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seems that way. Although were you like it was a great scene of him on the bridge there at the end when he clapped his hands. Were you expecting him to teleport to I don't know what I was expecting.
00:21:51
Speaker
When he clapped his hands, I was like, no, no way. He somehow did something with the technique that he can clap his hands and his brother can help. But not alas. Instead, it's just again, it seems like he is actively out here like hunting the curses, trying to save people, trying to redeem himself. I'm sure I'm sure there's going to be a lot of dialogue between him and you to where he's like, no, I deserve whatever you're about to do. But we need to stop these curses and save people first. Yeah, the way that they gave that update of the characters at the end
00:22:21
Speaker
I need like, you know, like at the end of a have like, like a based on a true story movie, where they're like, years later, this person's doing this, this person ended up in jail, this one died of x, y and z, like, I need that for the characters that you haven't bothered to show us at all. Yeah, no, we need a roundup. Again, Sukuna had some plan for
00:22:46
Speaker
Megumi like there's so many dangling threads and so many things but this is exactly how it was last season where there were all of these dangling threads and Gojo was sending Novara and
Future of JJK and Animation Quality
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Speaker
Megumi on their own little like quest and they had the side conversation of like whose family is who like they really like to mess with us in so many ways because also
00:23:08
Speaker
we're going again I keep talking about season three but how can I not when it's like oh well there's so many things left to happen it feels like we're gonna have another genre shift like season one fun action slight like slice of life ninja show season two absolute horror massacre season three thriller on the chase saving people like they're just going in so many directions that like
00:23:37
Speaker
I don't know what to expect because the serious difference between season one and two is so notable that it's like, okay, well, we got to keep going. And I think the big question is, how long was it between season one and two? Like, how long are we expecting a demon slayer every year situation? What was that? Two or two and a half years? Two or two and a half years. I don't want to rush this map up, please, please.
00:24:06
Speaker
But the delay was because the movie was doing so well in theaters. It was the Susan May thing. Yes. Or it's like, well, people are still watching it internationally. So I pull it from the theater and we're just making this much money that we're not going to pay our animators with. Yeah, there definitely is that problem. Gosh, this started on July 6th. We've been at this for this long. Have you really?
00:24:29
Speaker
I'm just seeing like original release July 6th through December 28th is this season. Yeah, it was July 6th was hidden inventory one. This has been half a year. Yeah, 52 weeks in a year. We're at 23 episodes. No breaks. My guns. All gas, no breaks. I wonder we haven't made time for anything else.
00:24:54
Speaker
Seriously, we have not had time for anything else because like Jujutsu Kaisen has taken up all of our time. Let's see, list of Jujutsu Kaisen episodes. So the first, yeah, the first season came out October 3rd, 2020 through March 2021. And then came back in 2023. So that was about two year gap. But there was a movie in there. So I wouldn't expect anything less than a year and a half, though.
00:25:24
Speaker
year and a half is, that's, that's fine. I feel like a year and a little my hero eight OTA in the middle. I was just about to say, I feel like unless you were like my hero academia and like demon slayer year and a half is small. Like
00:25:40
Speaker
I think we just get sidebar. That's one of the worst things as I've had a little bit more free time over the holidays. I've just been picking up some smaller anime and like knowing that I'm going to get to the end of this or having gotten to the end of some like 10, 12 episode things and the seasons came out like years ago and you have no idea if a season two is ever going to come is like
00:26:04
Speaker
heartbreaking and hard to deal with. So the idea that it's like, okay, we're definitely getting a season three of the show. Maybe it'll take two years. I think I can live with that. So I haven't started hunter hunter yet. Yeah, hunter hunter may never come back. And I'm okay with that because the endpoint is very good. But then you have black clover, where it ended. And it's like, Oh, no, there's more of this story to tell big time. It's been years since we get cliffhanger. Yeah, it's been a couple years since we've gotten that I think 2025 is when that's coming back. But like,
00:26:34
Speaker
I'm currently watching apothecary diaries turns out that's ongoing phenomenal show but no idea where it's gonna like end ever. Let's see. Family. Yes, by the shield arrow. Well spy family just ended season two absolutely phenomenal.
00:26:54
Speaker
Like Miss Anna minutes. Yeah. Anna minutes. We have her bring that back because season two of spy family has been so good. The movie has come out in Japan. Hopefully we'll be getting it in the US at some point here.
00:27:08
Speaker
But yeah, there's so many shows, like Licorice, where he coils a great one. I love, absolutely love the first season. Don't know if there's ever going to be a second season. I just have to live with that now to do so guys. And at least we don't have to deal with the struggle of questioning if it's going
MAPPA's Upcoming Projects
00:27:21
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to come back. It's just, when is it going to come back? It'll probably be two years, maybe three. Oh, well, let's let map of people rest, please. Because if we ask for it any sooner than two years, it might be garbage because all of the good animators might just leave.
00:27:37
Speaker
Just pick one animation style and stick with it. Have your standard, your action, and your comedy. Which I feel like this episode actually did a really good job at. Because there's the animation that we were used to and then every time we were talking about the funny sequences with Yuki. But then when it went from the newscast to the camera panning down the aisles at the grocery store,
00:28:01
Speaker
You saw that shift in like the level of detail just shot up and I was like, oh, what's about to happen now? Yeah, that was that was the good stuff. That was again, that horror where it's just like you're being completely drawn into the world like we got so much in season one. And I think that's why you were comparing it subconsciously. You were just like, oh, this feels the same. So who knows? Maybe things were a little bit more back on track, maybe because there wasn't a big fight season this episode or fight scene this episode.
00:28:30
Speaker
They could stretch the budget a little bit more. But. Yeah, hopefully Mappa has some good news coming, because I know they have more coming out, but I don't know. One Punch Man is probably the next big project. I was about to say One Punch Man is the next, but I don't think they've had anything like. Hugely. Jack on Titan came out, Chainsaw Man was this year.
00:28:57
Speaker
Yeah, like, don't get me wrong, we had a ton this year already come out, but it's like, okay, well, what's, they had Vinland Saga come out this year. They did campfire cooking in another world with my absurd skill. This has popped up on my feed so many times, it is on my watch list, but it is not anything that I look at this cover and think to myself, oh, this is a map of joint. But here we are.
00:29:22
Speaker
Apparently we gotta watch that. But yeah, of everything on this list of like coming 2023 and 2024, we've gotten most of it already, aside from One Punch Man, and I guess they have a Yuri on Ice movie. But I don't know. They do great work, but I'm hoping that they do take at least a little bit of a break.
00:29:48
Speaker
coming out of all of this, because I'm sure we're going to get more chainsaw man. We're obviously going to get more of this. I doubt one punch man is stopping. So there's plenty more on the agenda, but at least Attack on Titan's out of the way so they can do that. Did you watch any of the little spinoffs that they did? Wait, have you finished Attack on Titan? No, I still have not had the heart to sit down and watch that for now.
00:30:15
Speaker
So when you finish Attack on Titan, there's actually more episodes after that. It's kind of like going back in time and it's like little episodes from like different characters from like just different points. They live like expanded on some of the stories.
00:30:30
Speaker
Yeah, but at the very least. I'm just letting you know. Mostly done. Cool. And if anybody else hadn't known that, then surprise. Which probably did. Because if you finished part two, then it just automatically tries to start. Yeah, we are an anime and animation show. So we could talk about these other things. But we are here to talk about Jujutsu Kaisen. I think with this season being a wrap,
JJK's Place in New Generation Anime
00:30:51
Speaker
It's definitely one of the greats if it could explain things better. Literally, my only complaint about this show is I'm so confused walking away from it so often, but the story that they have told absolutely top tier belongs in the new Gen 3 conversation. I don't necessarily think it's a winner. This is why I won't end up on my Rushmore.
00:31:15
Speaker
No, I don't think it's Rushmore worthy, but again, it's in the conversation. If someone were to tell me that it's on there, Rushmore, I don't have an argument for them. It's not one of those where I'm like, oh, I could see other things. If you love this, I can totally see why. I think it was tremendous. I think it did so many things well. I just like knowing. There's so many other shows where it's simple and easy to understand the power, and you don't have questions after that.
00:31:44
Speaker
Was it you that said that we need Deku to cross over in the show just to explain things to us? That might have been. We were definitely talking about that earlier. Like I said with Juju stroll, it's just Deku coming in and filling everybody in with what happened. Seriously, just give us a Juju stroll where you actually explain some things, even. That would be delightful. But yeah, it's not... It's tremendous in so many ways. I'm trying to remember what the new Gen 3 conversation is. It's Attack on Titan.
00:32:14
Speaker
black clovers in there. Well, what's the second one? Because it's like Attack on Titan. Oh, it's Attack on Titan and Demon Slayer. And then the argument is like, okay, who deserves the third slot? And yeah, it comes up often in the conversation. I will say I don't think manga readers blew this one out of the water. I think there was a lot of like, so many manga readers being like, oh my god, the Shibuya incident, you're gonna have to wait and see this is gonna be crazy. And at the beginning, we were like, dude,
00:32:40
Speaker
I don't know. No, they were they were right. This was absolutely one of the most insane. Like, I think we're just a little desensitized to it because of things like Attack on Titan. Absolutely destroying our mental capacity for a story prior to this. I genuinely think the manga readers blew it out of proportion.
00:32:57
Speaker
I don't think so at all. Are you kidding me? This was this was absurd. I never would have seen this level of death, destruction, character loss. Like they rounded out so well. They had the characters react in the right way. The way that Itadori is just falling apart now. But it's like it's spread out in so many ways. It's spread out in a way, in my opinion, where it's like, oh, yeah, we forgot to convey the emotion of like thousands of people are dead.
00:33:23
Speaker
No, I don't think they forgot to do that at all. What do you mean? No, I think like when Itadori had his dialogue, it was because I even said at one point I was like, oh, just like running around killing people. It's just like, I know no big deal, whatever. Well, but that was different than Itadori doing it. Like, I feel like that was a that was a character choice as opposed to a storytelling choice. Yeah, but. If I. If I put it from like a one to five. With three being whelmed.
00:33:53
Speaker
I think the manga readers put it at like a five when it really was like a three and a half or a four I think they put it at a five and it's at a four but I don't think many like
00:34:05
Speaker
If you went into like, I'm not trying to say that they were like, I'm not trying to discredit the excitement of it. Yeah, I think it just went like, too high. And it comes down to like, this conversation that I've been having on like, every freaking podcast that I'm on, it's like, there's no gray area anymore, right? Like, either something absolutely amazing, and you have to watch it or it's talk shit. Why did this ever made
00:34:26
Speaker
Yeah. So I feel like Shibuya incident specifically was just victim to that as I came in with these high, high, high expectations of every week's going to be this and you've got to see this and it's going to blow your mind and blah,
Expectations: Manga vs. Anime
00:34:39
Speaker
blah. I'm just like,
00:34:40
Speaker
Yeah, there was moments where I was at the edge of my seat. There's moments where I was like, wow, this is phenomenal. But like, as a whole, I don't think it met the expectation that like, people set in my head. I think yeah, you may have been expectations set a little bit differently, because like, I knew it was going to be
00:34:58
Speaker
I knew it was going to be surprising, but I personally still had my expectations pretty set in. And I think that's the biggest thing is like, if I had gone in with nothing, knowing nothing, I would probably be putting this at like a four and a half five because yeah, like when you're a manga reader and you're flipping through it for the first time, you're like, wow, this is crazy. But I think it ends up dropping to like a four.
00:35:23
Speaker
like still super surprised, but definitely like knew what was going on. And I felt that way about like, the most recent season of my hero where there were all these people being like, Oh my god, the dark Deku arc, it's gonna be crazy. You're not ready for this. I was like, we got two episodes where he was angsty.
00:35:40
Speaker
And then he came back to his friends, like, what are you guys talking about? Whereas if I was just watching it, I'd be like, this is super cool. I'm super into this. So I think it, I think it comes down to also like setting expectations, leveling ourselves. We are in that position of like you said, there's not a lot of gray area left. And I'm trying to revive gray area because I very much like.
00:36:01
Speaker
That's why, like I said, I'm watching a lot of these smaller anime because they sit in that gray area where I'm just gonna watch 12 episodes, have a delightful time, but I'm not about to be like, oh my gosh, this deserves Anime of the Year award at like the Crunchyroll. I'm just gonna be like, no, instead, I got to watch My Dress Up Darling and watch two people like be goofy and fall in love. And it was a delightful show, but I'm still not about to scream from the rooftops. Like, there are categories
00:36:29
Speaker
And they all just fall into it. And I think being whelmed is like, we say whelmed, overwhelmed, underwhelmed. I think it's important to go back to the quote. And the quote was,
00:36:42
Speaker
Mr. Freeze was overwhelmed. Captain Cold was underwhelmed. Why isn't anyone just whelmed anymore? And I think that's a very, very good way to say it is stay whelmed. Like just be happy to be in that area. Don't expect to be overwhelmed. Don't expect to be wowed. Expect to have a good time. And at the end of the day, JJK Shibuya incident, overwhelmed. I'm still above the three whelmed.
00:37:10
Speaker
It was great, but don't go in. Don't tell people that you're gonna be overwhelmed because all you're going to do is end up underwhelming them. That's just what happens.
00:37:20
Speaker
I'm genuinely hoping that people I tell should watch Jujutsu Kaisen now that Season 2 is over. Because I'm just kind of like, yeah, it's pretty good. It's an enjoyable show. Check it out. Trying to like keep it tempered, right? Yeah. So I genuinely want someone to text me and be like, oh my god, I'm watching Season 2 XY and Z happen. Like generally wish that I could have that same reaction. Because not even that like I intentionally follow
00:37:45
Speaker
manga readers, I just really like fan art. So sometimes it pops up, I interact with it. And then it's like, Hey, you want to hear about manga? So no, no, no, no, no, no, I don't keep it away from me. Yeah, disconnecting yourself from the internet is probably the hardest thing to do. But it's definitely one of the best things. That's why I've said it way too many times this episode. I'll keep saying it. Pick up a random anime, something that is like, Oh, this is on the crunchy roll recommended list or the Hulu, you know, top of 2023. Just pick it up. If you know nothing about it,
00:38:14
Speaker
and go in with no expectations. And you're probably gonna have a good time with a lot of things in this world. If you just like, let me find something new. If you have the free time, obviously, not all of us have that free time. It's a big deal. But like, do it, enjoy it.
Exploring Anime Without Expectations
00:38:28
Speaker
Enjoy things, stop hating things and just enjoy more things. If you're not satisfied with the MCU, go watch a DC animated show. There you go. That's the soapbox to stand out in that moment.
00:38:39
Speaker
But yeah, I think that's a good round out. It's just like, have fun, enjoy it. And if you were watching this along with us for the first time this season, definitely write in, give us your thoughts. We would love to hear if you had a great time, if you weren't like super high on expectations and you just got this blown out of the water for you. I'm so happy for you. But we definitely love to hear from you. As always, reach out on any of our social medias as well as
00:39:04
Speaker
the email, all of the things that Zuhair lists in his much less sick state at the end of this episode. Alright, Zuh's given me the signal. He looks good. I look good. We're both tired. It's been a long season. And it's the end of 2023. We will talk to you all again in 2024 with more anime more animation and
00:39:28
Speaker
more things, but in order to get that, keep tuning in. That's a T-double-O-N-I-N. Stay warm, stay healthy. Stay healthy indeed by flexing on those muscle muscles.
00:39:43
Speaker
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