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Aloha and welcome back to OPE! In this episode, we dive into the thrilling world of NFL preseason football as the Green Bay Packers return to action against the New York Jets. After a long offseason, our hosts Mike and Iowa Joe are excited to share their insights on what really stood out during the game and what they anticipate in the next matchup. Join us as we explore the ups and downs of Packers football and what it means for the upcoming NFL season!
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Introduction and Listener Engagement
00:00:01
Speaker
Aloha, welcome back to the Ohana Packers Edition podcast where Joe and Iowa Joe and I are once again finally talking about football because the preseason has started up and the Packers are back on the field.
00:00:13
Speaker
Joe, thank you for steering the ship as I've been AWOL at and your allowance this offseason. So thanks for bringing us to this point. But we finally got football back again.
00:00:27
Speaker
Right, and first I just want to say to everybody who listened to what was going on, who who came on as guests. You know, ah hopefully this next offseason will have a little bit better I'm at it. You know, we won't miss any episodes. We'll have a full schedule of things in, but you know, that's, that's the game we're in right now, but thank you to everybody who's on all our great guests.
00:00:50
Speaker
Hopefully you guys enjoyed it. Do drop us suggestions on ah ah what you'd rather hear or, you know, any guests that you'd like to have us on. I'm open to sending anybody an email or a message and getting them on to talk, but yeah, football,
00:01:06
Speaker
I think that's what we're originally here for, isn't it? To be honest, I feel renewed for it because I did so much off-topic stuff throughout the off-season that I didn't really pay attention to a lot of the piddly news and that that was coming out. I would catch a glimpse here it there, but Other than that, I just I really ignored most of it. And, you know, I'm really excited to get back into the season.
00:01:41
Speaker
Although like sent out the other day that on one hand, i i I love having football around. But on the other hand, I know what it brings. And that comes the crappy snow and cold and everything else. And I don't know if I'm ready for that part
Analyzing Preseason Loss to Jets
00:01:58
Speaker
of it.
00:01:58
Speaker
But we did have a game yesterday or This will come out Tuesday. So we did have a game on Saturday. I'm just glad it was a preseason game. That's all I can say about it.
00:02:12
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, it's said all the time that preseason games is not for the fans. It's for the organizations and all that kind of stuff. But, I mean, we'll be frank about what we can be frank about. And LeFleur kind of said it after after the game, you would – Love to have seen a better bit of execution from your top players. But, know, the Packers played the Jets in Lambeau. It was a 30-10 loss. And how much you can realistically take away from that is, you know, to each their own.
00:02:42
Speaker
for a bunch of the fan base like me it's okay like that was disappointing but whatever it's the first pre-season game but there is of course the section that is chiding and have and being snarky about it and i'm sure there is a third section of the fan base who is mailing it in for the rest of the season because oh god it sucked and stuff but am In all honesty, Joe, I really don't know what to take away from this game other than hope that Xavier McKinney,
00:03:15
Speaker
you hope that Xavier McKinney and Jaden Reed can get back on the field as soon soon as they can with the injuries that they've got. McKinney is dealing with the calf. Reed is dealing with what was after the game revealed to be a foot sprain.
00:03:28
Speaker
And, you know, not that they're going to fix. The Savion's out with an injury. So we didn't get to see him Saturday either. Yeah. And,
00:03:39
Speaker
Not that individual players are going to fix everything, but, know, a lot of the things that LeFleur was having consternations about was just a lot of breakdowns in fundamentals and a lot of the finer details that just got left at on the practice field. So...
00:03:56
Speaker
You hope to see improvement, but I mean, the offense played two series, the defense played two, I think. And if I'm correctly remembering, half the starters didn't play kind of thing. So it's hard to say, you know, how much you can really glean from it.
00:04:13
Speaker
I know some were saying that Halfley was calling relatively intricate things, but He also was leaving certain areas of the field, i.e. his linebacker depth, really mundane because Kuei wasn't out there and you hope to get Kuei back sooner than later. So we could spend a lot of times of me, you know, talking myself in circles, but I'm choosing to be...
00:04:37
Speaker
indifferent about the
Player Performance and Roster Spots
00:04:38
Speaker
outcome of this game. Like i said, you obviously want the Packers to win every game they play, but that's just not realistic. And no matter what anyone says, preseason is preseason.
00:04:48
Speaker
Guys aren't going necessarily 100 miles an hour. And it's hard to glean too much of anything unless someone just looks completely out of place out there. Well, I'm going to disagree with you on part of it. Now, I understand that the starters don't need to go out and do 100%.
00:05:05
Speaker
But there's a lot of fringe guys and guys who are fighting for their roster spots that you hope are going out and giving it their all. Because, you know, they're, and I've said this in social media posts and everything else, that they're fighting for their NFL lives. You know, yeah, they may be able to get on a practice squad, but, you know, what's the breakdown on the math? There's 53 men per an NFL roster.
00:05:33
Speaker
And there's another 16 for a practice squad. So you're my math guy. What is that? What's the math add up to on that? 69 spots per team. And then. So times 32. Yeah.
00:05:47
Speaker
So what? 200 and some odd players in the NFL. And currently. most rosters are at 90.
00:05:58
Speaker
So you're looking at 90 times 32 at the moment. So there's going to be a major cut down at the end of the preseason that a lot of these guys are probably going to have to find a different avenue, maybe end up in Canada, maybe not be playing football at all.
00:06:14
Speaker
And, you know, my biggest problem is I didn't really care if they won or lost. I just wanted to see a better showing out of it. and there were too many guys that kind of fringe guys that were just playing meh you know my boy malik heath love him to death i i think he could be something you know he had what one catch on on four targets and they weren't even like you couldn't even blame a lot of it on the quarterback they hit him in the hands and he just couldn't come up with it and and uh i was looking yeah one for four he
00:06:54
Speaker
He had four targets. He had one catch for four yards. You know, you can't put that on all that on the quarterback. You've got to be able to make a play on it. But there's one thing that really bugged me.
00:07:07
Speaker
And I get why he said it, but it just shows the kind of mindset they were kind of going in the game. And I think you can tell LeFleur was kind of miffed through the game because he didn't look happy.
00:07:19
Speaker
But when they interviewed Tucker Craft, he basically said, well, you know, fans don't need to know that they don't have to worry about these games because this is just going through procedures and stuff like that.
00:07:33
Speaker
Okay, yeah, I get that you're just going through through procedural stuff, but you also, you're set because we know you're not going to get cut unless something major happens.
00:07:45
Speaker
But what about the other, you know, 60 guys that are trying to fight for a roster spot? Why are they looking like crap? when they need to be playing to gain that spot.
00:07:58
Speaker
You know, it might be procedural, but you also have to be, you got to make it look good. Otherwise the coaches are going say, no, no, we're just going to move on bring in somebody else who looks like they want a little bit more.
00:08:13
Speaker
Yeah, and that's super fair. And like I said, it means a little bit different for everyone. That's the part where it's really hard to gauge. I mean, Tucker didn't even play, right? I think he had – let me look here. I have the stats up.
00:08:28
Speaker
I know Musgraves was out there, but I can't remember Yeah, I remember Musgrave out there, but I don't remember Kraft. And I know Kraft's been... I kind of thought Kraft wouldn't have played because I know he's been dealing off and on with like that groin issue and stuff. Okay, I think I know what it was.
Preseason Complexity and Mistakes
00:08:42
Speaker
They said Tucker Kraft, but it was Musgraves.
00:08:47
Speaker
I know this is preseason for everybody, but Kuhn was even having issues. He was talking about on OneDrive, he was talking about Stackhouse and... Brinson he goes yeah two Alabama boys it's like what what you know a producer's like oh no and and there was a couple other things but yeah I'm pretty sure one of them said that it was I I might have been Kuhn that said the Tucker craft with the catch but in reality it was it was Musgraves with the cat yeah
00:09:21
Speaker
this is where, yeah, like you said, no one's there. I don't want to say no one, but the important players are not playing for anything other than to get a sweat up, get through through procedures, you know, especially if there's new rule changes and all that kind of stuff, which I don't think there are many big ones this season.
00:09:40
Speaker
They're feeling that part of the process out and all. And then, And then you got guys like Kraft. It gets into the whole, would Kraft be playing if it was a of game that mattered? Probably. Would McKinney be playing if a playoff push game? Probably.
00:09:56
Speaker
The only one who probably wouldn't have played is Jaden Reed because you he kind of left it super murky during the game. Like, oh, I don't want to be wrong about what it is. And I'm going to let someone else say it kind of thing. And then it came out like,
00:10:09
Speaker
an hour after the game ended that, oh, he has a foot sprain and he'll be reevaluated over the next couple of weeks kind of thing. So I agree with you. Like I I'm indifferent to the outcome of the game. like you said,
00:10:23
Speaker
30% of these players aren't going to make a roster in any regard, whether it's the active roster or a practice squad. a lot of the guys who are eating up a bunch of the snaps are guys who are fighting for those, you know, roster spots 50 to 69, you know, between like the last few spots and the practice squad spots. And,
00:10:42
Speaker
And that's where it's kind of like, you know, I I i used to get so excited for preseason because it was like, I need any sort of football. And nowadays it's like, okay, like, are the draft picks going to play? Or the, you know, the, is a stack house going to play, you know, a highly touted who did have a good game and continues to prove why he's probably as close to a lock as you can be at this point as a UDFA.
00:11:04
Speaker
But, At the same time, like you said, it it it's, I don't even want to say bothersome is the right word choice, but the things that Tucker said, the way that, you know, even Jordan, the way he was trying to be politically correct with his answers after the game where he's like,
00:11:20
Speaker
sure, you want to do better and stuff. But was kind of like threading, you know, walking the line of saying like, hey, we got out there, we ran some stuff, it didn't work out right, but no one got hurt kind of thing. Like, you could tell that was like the, that was the biggest point that he was trying to make. But of course, he's not going to say that flat out. He did say like, of course, you want to play better, you want to play well every time you go out and all that kind of stuff. But you can tell that for different people on different planes that, you know,
00:11:50
Speaker
there's a different expectation for what's to come out of these preseason games and why I don't get super invested in them anymore. But I guess my biggest disappointment is, and we kind of alluded to it earlier, is all the guys who are injured. And, you know, one of the guys being, you know, we've covered the three big ones with Tucker,
00:12:10
Speaker
Xavier McKinney and Jaden Reed. Another one is Quay who was out because he's still like like working his way back into conditioning with offseason surgery. And just on Quay, I'm glad that his process played out like it did. Obviously, I wish he didn't need the surgery, but...
00:12:24
Speaker
That's really how you want to hear it work out for any player is like, okay, you know, he was battling back from an injury in the playoffs. He tried to go the rest and rehab route. And first day of OTAs, he's like, nah, it's not working.
00:12:38
Speaker
Let's just put a, you know, Let's put a pause to it. Go get the operation. And because, you know, everyone's like, why didn't he just do it first? If you can avoid surgery, you should avoid a surgery at every opportunity you can. Right. It's not like it was an ACL or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. yeah You know, butll we'll see if rehab will fix it or whatever.
00:12:57
Speaker
And on the opposite side of it, it's like, just be happy that he recognized it wasn't kosher and he was like, let's go take care of this thing now before it leaks into the regular season and he's already back practicing.
00:13:08
Speaker
And then the other one is one that you and I kind of butted heads over last offseason, but... I'm pretty bummed that Wicks is out. You know, they held him out kind of like precautionarily because he's been dealing with some soft tissue stuff. And I do agree that, you know, the two guys who have the most riding on this season in terms of like trying to put the lows of last season behind them in Reed and Wicks, it's a bummer that neither of them can play in the preseason games. And not that either of them would play more than like a couple series just because of how,
00:13:40
Speaker
teams operate these preseason games, but you would like to see them out there. And it's just disappointing that they're not, you know, I don't want to say it's any fault of their own, but it you know, it can be no fault of their own and still disappointing at the same time.
Player Performance Concerns and Limited Action
00:13:54
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, Wicks definitely needs the practice, whether it's, you know, what was the drill that they used to do with Cobb and Devante and all them, where they had the jugs machine and they would put their hands like two inches from the jugs machine and make them catch it.
00:14:09
Speaker
and you know he needs whatever because if he can't corral that i don't see a spot for him on the team you can run all the routes you can run but if you can't catch the ball after running that route then there's real no really no use for you maybe you can convert to corner like beau melton or something because you don't have to worry about catching at that point but you know i i don't want to i don't want people to think i don't like wicks because i like what he brings But if you can't catch the ball, there's no use to having you on the team. Because eventually, yeah, you can run the routes and get open and draw defenders from other side of the field. But eventually defenses are going to realize, hey, we can leave that guy wide open and he ain't going be able to catch the ball. So there's no good reason to waste two or three guys on him.
00:15:03
Speaker
And so getting him work, Jaden Reed getting a little bit of work because He's a little bit better off than Wicks, but not much when it comes to the hands portion of it.
00:15:18
Speaker
And there's some young guys that, you know, could obviously maybe not read so much because of what they invested into him.
00:15:27
Speaker
But, you know, there's some young guys. I mean, Matthew Golden had two catches for 20 yards or something like that. I think that's what it was. Or did he only have the one catch?
00:15:40
Speaker
He only had the one catch for seven yards. It was Shepard that had two for 20, but Golden had the one, but then he drew the pass interference call, and that's pretty unusual for a rookie to get a pass interference call in the preseason. and So, So, you know, because usually they'll, you know, you got play through that young guy and shit like that, but that's there's going to be some guys that can replace you know will shepherd is really kind of lighten things up a little bit with practices he had a good family night then he had a good night uh against the jets you know if he keeps stacking those successes it's going to be to the point where can we afford not to keep him and i know there's always these guys every year that we're like oh man he's really doing great they can't they can't afford to get rid of him and then they cut him but
00:16:35
Speaker
If you've got a sure handed guy, let's put it this way. If you put Wicks up against Shepherd, Shepherd goes for, you know, 85% catch rate and Wicks is at 35% catch rate at the end of the preseason.
00:16:50
Speaker
Who are you going to keep more?
00:16:52
Speaker
Yep. So, I mean,
00:16:55
Speaker
I just threw Mike for a loop because he's got to think about it. i i Honestly, it's one of those where I'm just like, yeah yeah we we there's not much to be said because he's not out there and we don't have answers to those questions. And agree with you. Like there's a lot on the table for Wicks and Reed this season because they've both shown the highs and they've both shown the depths of the lows for each of them. And, you know,
00:17:20
Speaker
Mostly Golden, but potentially Williams, to a lesser extent, could be here for their jobs if they're not there. And if it's not one of them, it's someone that they pick next season. So, know, it remains to be seen. Wouldn't weird if they went back-to-back wide receivers in the first round after not doing it for 23 years.
00:17:39
Speaker
If the board falls that way, do it like. I know, but wouldn't that be something that after 23 years. would be hilarious. topic of discussion. know that's way too early. Yeah.
00:17:50
Speaker
One of the ones that there's not nearly enough snaps to feel either way about it, but I was fine with how Morgan looked out there at left tackle. I mean, he didn't get tested or anything like that, but also he didn't just get his lunch handed to him on, you know, in his face kind of thing. And so, you know, when you only play a like 10 snaps, there's not much to go off of. So i take I take some solace in the fact that he wasn't just wiped off the field in that short of a time. So that's a decent thing.
00:18:19
Speaker
um um Other than that, there was just not enough sustainment on offense. Dobbs, I do think people are being a little bit facetious with how they term a drop on both those plays, but you're supposed to be the trusted guy. You got to make both of those plays. The the second one...
00:18:40
Speaker
That one was a little bit better coverage. The first one was kind of tough shit luck, but you got to hold on to that one because people are saying, oh, he flat out dropped it. You got to watch the one from the end zone replay.
00:18:52
Speaker
Sauce has his hand in there. And so when Dobbs goes to tuck it, he tucks it into the fist and it ball comes out. But that's one of those where it's like, you got to be a little more aware of what's going on and like go with the one hand tuck and stuff like that. But those are the plays you're literally there to make and stuff. And it was a, it's disappointing to see Dobbs not come up with either of those because that would have extended a drive, giving you more bites at the apple to see more of Morgan at left tackle.
00:19:20
Speaker
Yeah, like, honestly, there just wasn't much to talk about on offense. And it's not like... And even, like, the sack fumble, it's so hard to tell. Like, I do believe that Willis held on to the ball too long and stuff. You gotta have a quicker clock when you're down on your own end line and stuff. But...
00:19:37
Speaker
It's also the whole thing, you know, like MLB, the good pitchers all have ERAs above like nine in the preseason in training camp because it's like, all right, I'm going to work on my crappy pitches and I'm going to get my arm loose kind of thing. And it's like, yeah, that's the time where it's like, okay, let's give that...
00:19:55
Speaker
third string guy a chance to uncover downfield and see if you can hit it there because you know it obviously you don't want bad film on on record but hey let's see if we can hit that play and at the same time it's like ah ah like just hit the check down and live to punt it away kind of thing and stuff but you're grading on a different curve when it's pre-season well and that's what i meant by my earlier statements that It's not so much that I think they needed to go out and kill themselves winning this game. It's you're putting stuff on film and you don't want to see that kind of stuff on film with and be in that room when that coach is ripping you a new asshole because you whiffed on a block or you drop, you know, all your chances or you missed the gap or whatever. You don't want that and put that on that film because, you know, you're going to be the one being called out in the middle of a meeting.
00:20:47
Speaker
So, you know, and that's sadly what was happening because even on the defensive side the ball, yeah, the defense, like the first two, I'd probably give them the first four plays of the game on defense, they looked pretty solid.
00:21:05
Speaker
But then all of a sudden they just kind dropped off you know, they were letting Braylon Allen and what was the other running back that they were using basically like run all over them.
00:21:16
Speaker
and even justin fields had the running touchdown and like all right i understand we're not at full health on this but you know that that's not a good look especially when you know the the player justin fields is because you played against him so many times before but it just i like i said i don't want people to think that i want everybody to go out and kill themselves for these games but yeah just make it look better Yep, exactly. That's all we're getting at. And we can say it in 40,000 different words, but it's like just, you know, it's the whole um do your work early, do your work well, and you can, like, you'll get off the field because you'll have...
00:21:59
Speaker
coaches will have seen like okay you played three good series and it's like okay let's let the deep roster guys bang it out kind of thing not leave this like sour taste in your mouth where it's like like that was a bad couple series like do we leave the starters out the the the mosh starter group out there another series to play against their like all reserve unit or we match and all that kind of stuff so it's like And like I said, fans shouldn't be overreacting either way to preseason games.
Coaching Critiques and Improvement Expectations
00:22:28
Speaker
But, know, the 0-16 Lions won every preseason game. So that shows you how important preseason wins are at this point. But
00:22:40
Speaker
it just goes to show that there's no one-size-fits-all. But at the end of the day... you do want to see good football. And like I said, that's where I do agree with what LaFleur's comments were after the game where he's, you know, he was pretty disappointed and was like, you I expect these games to go a certain way, this and that, and there's going to be some inconsistency unknown, but he's like, you don't want to see it just be like the pure fundamentals just drop out the bottom kind of thing and stuff. And that's what you did. So, you know, you had like,
00:23:11
Speaker
Like I said, Halfley was never going to call his good stuff, one, because it's a preseason game, and two, he didn't have all his bullets out there. And a lot of the guys he did have out there haven't been in the system long enough to be able to I mean, the Jets' big play on the first drive is because Isaiah Simmons ran to Mississauga for no reason on the play, and you can see whoever the safety is to his side, he is bailing, and he sees Simmons in front of him at, like, 20 yards depth, and he's like,
00:23:38
Speaker
like What are you doing out here, dude? And that's where the ball went and stuff. And on one hand, like I said, that's where you're going to get these kind of errors. But also, yes, it's Simmons' first year in the system, but he's also like a seven-year vet at this point. And there's got to be some understanding of basic coverage calls and stuff that it's like,
00:23:57
Speaker
you have a hook zone, you can't be in the deep middle kind of thing and stuff. So, you know, it's hard to say. It would be, and like you said, it'd be one thing the touchdown you give up isn't a ah broken pocket rushing touchdown to Justin Fields where your QB spy gets juked out of his jock on the five-yard line.
00:24:19
Speaker
And those are the parts where it's like, ah ah like, okay, you know, we always, you know, like I said, you don't want to rule anything out one way or the other, but it's like it is always a source of consternation where like, same old shit, huh, guys? So ah that's the part where it's kind of like,
00:24:38
Speaker
And like we both said, this is not a fire anyone, cut anyone episode or anything like that. I'm still super high on what Halfley's going to do once he has everyone and stuff. But it's more of a, come on, you guys. We expect better than that.
00:24:54
Speaker
I did think of this. And I think it would work if you could do it right. But I think they need to leave a roster spot open for that one guy that you can cut in the middle of the game as a point to the rest of them saying, and this can happen to you.
00:25:09
Speaker
And you just, you walk in pissed off and you cut the guy in the middle of the game and send out of there like, this is you. Well, and unfortunately, the leading candidate for that episode would have been Mikko Hardman, who's been the darling of camp so far and just had a nightmare game for himself. You know, he had the sequence where on so sequential drives, he fields a punt inside of the 10. He drops an important pass on the next offensive series, and then he muffs the punt on the following punt return opportunity. So just not, you know,
00:25:49
Speaker
like I said, it would be one thing if that had just been signed off the street and you got that, but all things we've heard have been just such glowing reviews of what he's done in camp so far. And like I said, I'm not for cutting him, but that would be the kind of like, oh, like that's where you're coming.
00:26:06
Speaker
And, you know, like you said, It is just a bummer to see that play out that way after, you know, like, oh, this guy is locking down the fifth wide receiver spot.
00:26:17
Speaker
Well, and then we heard all offseason that, oh, well, that he's they brought him in to be the special teams player, the returner, the returner. And, you know, he muffs a punt. And it's like, ah ah what?
00:26:31
Speaker
That's who you're wanting as your returner. So and that's why I said, you know, guys like Shepard and a Banny Conda were stepping up and, you know, it's like, okay, well, do you keep one of those two or do you keep the vet and Hardman?
00:26:46
Speaker
You know, just, you know, what do you do with that? So think the second preseason is going to tell a little bit more. I was shocked to hear it, but I guess, you know, how they send the players down. They've sent like Christian Watson and, and who's the other one that they sent down to Madison to work with,
00:27:07
Speaker
the university on keeping the hamstrings healthy and you soft tissue injuries that they were working with them.
Preseason Strategy for Starters
00:27:14
Speaker
And LaFleur said the study said that starters are less prone to get injured in the regular season if they play a little bit during the preseason.
00:27:24
Speaker
So there's all possibility we could see starters all three games in the preseason. Maybe not like long extended drives, but You know, that would be kind of interesting to see after going like last year and the starters hardly played anything.
00:27:41
Speaker
So that would be interesting. It would be a nice return to like how it used to be in preseason where, guys would play, you know, like the starters would play like into the third quarter of the third preseason game, like just, uh, 15 years ago. I know it's not just, but it's not that long ago kind of thing. So, there are guys in the NFL who, who played when the preseason that was that style. So,
00:28:08
Speaker
We'll see, but I'm not going to continue to beat a dead horse too much more on this one. you This one will kind of put the short and sweet label on it, but anything else that you want to put on this one in terms of- oh we want to talk about any of the bright spots that we saw out of it? Amar Johnson looked pretty decent.
00:28:26
Speaker
Will Shepard looked pretty good. Yeah. The Irish cannon was really booming. That first punt was amazing.
00:28:36
Speaker
And Christian Welch was really good on the coverage on that one too. he wasn't bad during when he got spot or he was playing during on on the defensive side of the ball.
00:28:48
Speaker
ah ah He kind of misplayed that one pass that got over his head. But other than that, he looked pretty solid. But, you know, there were bright spots. I mean, we're not trying to be all negative. Abani Konda looked pretty good rushing the ball.
00:29:01
Speaker
I think he averaged like 3.6 yards a carry.
00:29:08
Speaker
I guess the biggest one that'll have any any potentially any sort of... contributing factor this season would be Stackhouse, who had the nice play. you He was the one who really created the disruption on the fourth and shortstop. ah ah You're right. There are guys who stood out as having good days, but...
00:29:27
Speaker
You know, the Celtic Cannon, Stackhouse, maybe Welch if he makes the roster. Those are like your trio of guys. And Golden, like you said, who had those two good plays where, you know, he has the solid catch on third down and he draws a penalty to create another first down. Like those are your guys who are going to be any sort of...
00:29:46
Speaker
decent to heavy contributors this season. Everyone else, it's like, it's a good pat on the shoulder kind of thing. That's just how I view it, it's like, you know, it's a good story kind of thing. But if those guys are contributing in the regular season, things have gone all kinds of haywire for the Packers. But Stackhouse is the one where it's like,
00:30:07
Speaker
you know, on the opposite end of the Hardman where you're hearing good things about a player all in preseason, it's good to see Stackhouse have his moment where like, yes, like the things you're hearing about him in practice where he's blowing plays up and things like that, you're seeing it translate to a an actual opponent as opposed to like his own offensive line and stuff. So that was one of the more promising ones for me was to see him translate his success to an actual game.
00:30:36
Speaker
right and and you know brinson was pretty solid beside him uh the one that i question and i know he had some good moments but inikbare he he looked rough on some of those things or some like uh especially on the run run defense so i'm wondering if he's going to be able to he's going to be that guy or if he's going to be one of those rotational pass rush specialists going forward.
00:31:05
Speaker
And this does go back to... We talked about it last year where I didn't agree with what they did after they traded Preston. thought they... They really blew an opportunity to get Lucas more snaps. I understand that, you know, they were trying to bring him along in on the classroom side of things, but a lot of his stuff is implementation and you've got to give him more snaps. So it's like they... I didn't understand why they were so hell-bent on having Inaugbore start after the Preston trade. And...
00:31:35
Speaker
Inogbury is like my he was one of my draft like darlings when we picked him and stuff. But he seems to be a guy like you said, he's kind of topped out as what he's going to be as an NFL player. And there, you know, there's nothing wrong with being a guy who you draft in the fifth round and becomes a rotational edge guy who gives you like four sacks a season. That's a solid NFL player. But I'm not in the group that's like, oh, his roster spots in trouble, like some people are saying.
00:32:02
Speaker
But I do think... i don't want to say he's fringe because that makes it sound like he's like 50-50 to actually make the roster. But I do think there is a realistic chance that if Sorrell really progresses as this season goes, and if Colin Oliver, who...
00:32:22
Speaker
Another guy who's been out with injury, if he can you pick up the ball and start running with it, they might find a way to give some of those snaps that Inauguri might have gotten to those two guys.
00:32:33
Speaker
You see his contributions diminish as the season goes along and those guys pick up those snaps because he is in a contract season and all and that. But I don't think...
00:32:43
Speaker
It kind of goes back to what I was saying about Jair at the time, where not that Inaugbari is anywhere close to the impact player that Jair is, but it's the same thing where it's like if you're supposedly going to be a contender this season.
00:32:59
Speaker
You want as many sure things or relatively close to sure things as you've got on your roster. And I know that Inogbury isn't anything to write Homer out about necessarily. But like I said, that's a guy that you're like, okay, he's going to get us five sacks on the season and us mostly solid play throughout the course of the season kind of thing as we bring a couple rookies along and I do agree with you, though. It's like there's a couple of times where you're kind of like you're a fourth year pro and you're looking at this like you don't know what you're quite looking at.
00:33:30
Speaker
And And it is the, like, it's disappointing. And at the same time, it's like, this is the first game action since the playoff game. And, you know, you can go through the whole list.
00:33:41
Speaker
Like you said, this is where the whole, the second preseason game is going to speak volumes on where these guys really are. You know, how much of it really was going through the motions. And, know,
00:33:52
Speaker
Trust, like, if LeFleur is half the guy we think of him to be, he's going to, like, tell those guys, like, all right, like, you got your walkthrough medicine out this past game. We're like, like you said, we're not going into fifth gear, but we're going to throttle up a little bit on this one.
00:34:10
Speaker
Well, speaking of LeFleur, um I had a friend that was up at training camp this past week. and this was a little bit of what she said about it. She said, LeFleur has been really pissy.
00:34:26
Speaker
I've heard it's because he's not happy with the offense. They've looked tough this week. He made them do two unscheduled walkthroughs at night on days when they'd already had a public practice. So it sounds like he's not even happy with a lot of the shit that's going on.
00:34:42
Speaker
So ah ah I'm wondering if my earlier statement about what Tucker said is kind of overflowing and the coach is kind of getting, hey, you need to put a little bit more effort in this. This isn't just about procedures. This is about being game ready.
Preparing for Regular Season and Conclusion
00:35:01
Speaker
I think way LaFleur is looking at it is like he's got, you know, is this 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24.
00:35:08
Speaker
So this is your seven. Yeah, this is your seven. And out of those seven years, really only two years, 2020 and 21, did the offense start relatively quickly out of the gates. And even 2021, like they the stinker in week one.
00:35:24
Speaker
then they kind of got the ball rolling after that. But otherwise, it's been a slow burn out of the blocks. You know, 19, it was the first year. So it got those right off. 22, it's like, okay, there's no Devontae. So what are they going to do instead and all?
00:35:37
Speaker
But like, I do think LaFleur is kind of like, okay, like this is year three with mostly a lot of the same pieces. And I know we don't have Christian, but most of you other guys are back. And so like, get your shit together and stuff. So I do, I'm kind of like,
00:35:52
Speaker
appreciative of that, of that tone and, um, um, want to say it's desperation, but just having that attitude from your coach that it's like understanding what, especially I think also because he's looking at as we're playing Detroit week one and we have not played well against them in like four years. So like, can you guys like get your shit together and do the thing? So I, I'm kind of glad to see that, you know, there's someone is, you know,
00:36:25
Speaker
getting a little bit of the Excuse me. Someone's here for the moment, I guess is the way I would put it. Like, the big picture and the fine details in step with each other. That it's like, I know that we're supposed to, like, be incremental in training camp, but it's like, Detroit's in a month.
00:36:42
Speaker
Like, you guys got to get your shit together or we're going to get our teeth kicked in week one again. So I do appreciate that LeFleur is taking in all aspects of where this team is at so far.
00:36:54
Speaker
And the last thing I got to say is he's got to stop letting Stinovich call players because that was really... a a lot of those play calls just didn't make sense for that game, but, you know, whatever.
00:37:04
Speaker
Okay. And my one thing about that I... I don't mind it because one, unless LaFleur gets thrown out or it's some sort of medical malicey, he's going to be the play caller.
00:37:18
Speaker
And I do think that is as good of a way he's going to get to like audit the process. in like a in a in-game situation let me step that back it's not that i don't think he should let others call plays during the preseason it's that stinovich just didn't seem like he was handling it right and there's other guys that he could you know like getsy probably could do it since he's a former oc uh oh there's another one maybe even have butkus try it don't know but
00:37:52
Speaker
ah ah He let Stinovich do it last year and they really were flat. And now this game, they look really not cohesive for the most part. So maybe, maybe let somebody else call the plays instead of Stinovich.
00:38:09
Speaker
Could be, could be, but hopefully things will be humming a little bit better next week as we get into week two. But Joe, that's your last one. Anything else you want to say before we get on out of here?
00:38:21
Speaker
Well, not really. Next week, this will come out Tuesday. So the following Monday, I'll be in Green Bay or I'll be on the road to Green Bay.
00:38:31
Speaker
So, you know, I'll be up there. You're on notice. This is your like two week notice or whatever. But other than that, no, just keep enjoying the games, you know, And hopefully they get a little bit better in the preseason. Again, you know, I'm not expecting wins to just make it look good. You know, make some plays out there, show that you actually want to be on the team. But other that, nope, not really. Yeah, hopefully we'll see a little bit more urgency this week because they are – so they're playing the Colts on Saturday, and they are practicing against the Colts all week. So it's one of those inter-squad things. And think we've already announced that Daniel Jones will be the starter.
00:39:13
Speaker
right because richardson fucked something up on his hand but i think it'll you know you you do see a little more oomph in those games because you know you don't want bad blood necessarily but some of the stuff that you know stews over the week kind of plays out into the game you don't want to see a stern burger where like freaking the corner is taking cheap shots in the game kind of thing and stuff but you know you want to just the competitive edge take off for both of these teams. And wouldn't be the worst thing for the Packers to kind of put the throttle open a little bit further, but otherwise that's going to do it for us this week.
00:39:48
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00:40:35
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The Packers move on to week two of the preseason, and we're going to be recapping that action from Indianapolis next week. For Iowa Joe, I might go Pack Go and Aloha.