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250 - The Amityvillle Horror (2003) w/ Evan Wilson
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“Houses don’t kill people. People kill people.”
Week Two of our 2000s-Era Remakes Spooky-thon is back in full force as we talk the late, great Phillip Baker Hall, the difference between the James Gunn and Zack Snyder takes on DC Comics movies, why this movie is quintessential 2000s horror, and the regrettable use of the IBG horror trope.
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Humorous Beginning and Introduction
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Podcast Overview and Special Guest
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Boo! And welcome to the Disenfranchise Podcast, where that podcast all about those franchises of one, those films that fancy themselves full-fledged franchises before falling flat on their face after the first film. And this...
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is our our it's is Is it our sixth annual? it 2020, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25? This is our sixth annual Spookython, and it's week two of the Spookython. We are this month talking all about 2000s era remakes, and we've got a good one for you. I'm your host, Stephen Foxworthy. Joining me, as always, the only man you don't want to see chasing you with an axe down a long corridor, it's Tucker. Hey, Tucker.
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Hey, guys. Wait, I did that backwards. That's my bad. Patreon.com slash disenfranchepod. Join the official conversation of the disenfranchised podcast. Also joining us tonight, we have a very special guest coming back to the show. It's the man behind the Grand Voodoo Band. In fact, you might call him the Grand Voodoo Man. It's Evan Wilson.
00:03:19
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Evan, welcome back.
Discussion on 'The Amityville Horror' 2005
00:03:20
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Howdy. Happy to be here. Always a pleasure to have you back, Char. Yes, yes, yes. um And we are talking about that ah just crown jewel of the 2000s remake era, the remake the amityville horroror ah Directed by Andrew Douglas, written by Scott Kosar, and starring Ryan Reynolds, Melissa George, Jesse James, Jimmy Bennett, Chloe Grace Moretz, Rachel Nichols, the late, great Philip Baker Hall. What a cast.
00:04:00
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What a picture. Dude, yeah. Yeah, dude. I didn't even know. So yeah I've seen this movie probably four or five times. I own it on DVD.
00:04:11
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It was one of those. It was still like 2005 was still the time of blind by DVDs because you couldn't really like stream it first. Yeah. But I haven't seen it in so long. Like say, I've probably seen it four or five times in my life since 2005. But I hadn't seen it in so long that I didn't realize that Chloe Grace Moretz was in it.
00:04:33
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I didn't realize she was the little gal. Her first movie role, if i'm not mistaken. Yeah. Introducing, it says at the end. And introducing. And she's, i mean, you you get right away. Like, she's a talent. Like, right away. She's this. Like, an introduction.
00:04:49
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yeah She's like eight years old, I think, when they're making this. Seven or eight years old. And like, holy shit. Like, unbelievable. Very, very think all the kids are good, really. Yeah. I think all the kids are really good in this. The the kids, yes, are very good.
00:05:04
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The adults are there, too. um that Well, i will not I will not disrespect my my beloved Melissa George, but... um yeah I will say that I really, I like Ryan Reynolds in this movie ah for a few reasons.
00:05:21
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One, he's not playing Ryan Reynolds. Well, after a certain point, he's not playing Ryan Reynolds. But right there at the beginning, there's a lot of that Ryan Reynolds shit. The charm is there, but it's not turned up to 11 like it normally is. He's still goofy as shit,
00:05:39
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I disagree. i really i really i really like the stuff ah the family stuff in this movie. I don't think that this movie is very scary or particularly very disturbing, except for a few scenes.
00:05:52
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But I really, really like the family
Franchise Critique and Personal Experiences
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dynamics in this. and I like the way that they portray them. I think I like them more now that I am an adult with a family. um because i see some of I see some of the frustrations and when he starts going nuts I recognize that as something that in my head sometimes I feel like doing but would not do like Ryan Reynolds after he starts going nuts is is every parent's like what they're thinking in their brain when they're like it's okay kiddo you're alright everything's fine you're not in trouble and inside you're like son of a bitch
00:06:30
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catch them oh Kill them. ah My favorite part of this movie um is the first time he yells at the youngest boy and then like he realizes how shitty he's been and he hugs him and apologizes.
00:06:47
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I was a mess after that because I've been there so many times where I'm just like, you little fucking... No, I'm sorry. Come here. I didn't mean it. Come here. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. I meant it in the moment, but not...
00:06:58
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later afterwards yes yes like i was a mess after that part this time because of the my change in perspective i was like oh i feel that i feel that so hard i have given so many of those hugs so tucker you you blind bought this in 2005 on digital video disc uh what is your history with the franchise amityville horror writ large I don't really give a fuck about it.
00:07:25
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I saw the original and I think it's a piece of trash. I don't think it's a good movie. I don't think it's scary. I think it really, really sucks. um And every other Amityville movie sucks.
00:07:38
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ah Tucker, please don't hold back just because it's us, man. You don't have to hold anything. Just put it out there, man. Okay, no, they're all really terrible, and it's such a disjointed franchise because yeah like anybody can make an Amityville movie.
00:07:55
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Literally. And everyone has, and none of them, like even the best one, people say the first one's the best. Even the first one isn't good. So I would say for me, this move the remake is the best one I've seen, the best Amityville movie I've ever seen in my whole life.
00:08:15
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Though I do, ah what's what's ah Josh Brolin's dad's name? um James. James, yes, James Brolin. I do really love his look in the original.
00:08:27
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I like his beard and hair and like his clothing. I like he's rocking bell bottoms the whole time and the big fucking collar, like way into that. way I mean, it was the 70s after all.
00:08:41
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Unlike this movie where they just say it's the 70s and everybody just looks like they're in 2005 with their hairstyles. Correct. Yeah, it's pretty pretty awful in that regard. um Evan, what is your history with this film, with this franchise, with Ryan Reynolds as a human being? Like, just lay it all out there.
00:08:59
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Oh, you didn't ask me that. I had stuff to say about Ryan Reynolds. You didn't ask me that. We'll come back you. Whatever. Let the guests talk, damn it. Whatever. So, like, when I was watching this... um I had a flashback of like watching this on my like parents' couch with my dad um around 2005, 2006. It like was either re-airing on TV or there's also a possibility that we had gone to the family video or Blockbuster down the way and picked up a DVD to play it at home.
00:09:32
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But I distinctly remember... My dad saying, this is nothing. You should see the original. And, you know, i guess, like, we went back the next week and we printed the original.
00:09:45
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um And I don't really have any, like, experience outside of um this and the original, like, film out of the series. I don't really, and don't recall ever watching any of the sequels um at all.
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And, like, honestly, like, I have the most experience when I'm looking back ah with the 2005 version. um ah You know, I mean, I know the core scenes from Amityville, the, like, classics, you know, the the thing that catapulted it to where it is.
00:10:19
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ah But, you know, I think I was more steeped in this film. And i I, you know, I think it also just like came out at a time when I was like at the right age, you know, I was like 13 or whatever.
00:10:31
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So ah it came out around the right time for me to like, really engrossed in it and you know i guess it hit harder from my recollection when i was that age um than it did now that's all i'll say and okay and that's being totally fair and just felt hated coming back it's just like quintessential 2005 like editing is like i think the thing that leaped off the screen the quickest to me was like Damn, those are some quick edits, bro. And like, it's very, it's like very in your face and like extreme and like, isn't this scary? And it's like, yeah, I mean, sure.
00:11:10
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Like, I don't know. There was just like touches where I'm like, that's extremely, that's a very 2005 touch on film. on the f I started claiming it actually at the very last scene. i started counting out ah one Mississippi, two Mississippi for all the the edits. And it's like, yeah there wasn't a there wasn't a shot that lasted more than three and a half seconds.
00:11:33
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That does not surprise me even before I gave up, you know, for I was like, okay, I was just counting one Mississippi, two Mississippi over and over again. Well, any, any shot that lasts longer than that, you know, they're just setting up a jump scare.
00:11:47
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Right. like any If it's not rapid edit, it's like we're going to sit here until something jumps on screen and screams at you. So that you go, yeah like that's that's that's pretty much... all yeah that something's about Something's around the corner vibe. Yeah, totally. Right. And this this movie is is just lousy with jump scares. They're all over this fucking thing.
00:12:08
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Dude, yeah. And then it's just the the CGI looks terrible. like It's... It's a shame. It's just not great, you know? and And you get too much of a good look at some of the scares to where I'm like, yeah I don't need to, my eyes don't need to focus on how bad it looks right now.
00:12:27
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You know, like we're losing the magic, people.
Film Critiques and Character Analysis
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It's that early age of CGI where it's just strong enough that people are like, we can do everything with CGI. And then they and then they'd realize that if we want to do it well, ah we're going to need a lot bigger budget than what we have allotted for this. And so it ends up all looking kind of shitty. Now, I will say some of these are effects of facts are better than other films of the era. Yeah. But that's not saying we're talking about you. Jeez. I mean, looking at your, of course, Frighteners is also like eight years ahead of this movie too. Like Frighteners is 97.
00:13:02
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yeah so like, I mean, you expect, and that was, that was like the first film ever for Weta Digital too. So like they're, they're learning on that movie. Like, i don't I think that the the shitty the shitty CGI in the Frighteners kind of works for the film, not against it. but As someone who watched it Saturday night with... God, I love that movie. He thoroughly enjoyed it.
00:13:26
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I knew it was going to be right up his alley because he's obsessed with things from New Zealand. um He likes Peter Jackson, and he freaking loves Jeffrey Combs. And so i was like, o I got something for you.
00:13:40
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but I got something you. And I showed it to him and he freaked out and died, but he came back to life. So it's okay. but Well, that's, that's handy. And then he walked around just talking about how his body was a roadmap of pain. Yeah.
00:13:53
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Yes, ah it's but i what I was saying about the the effects and everything um to go back to that, I think that there was a lot of time wasted on jump scares and physical manifestations of the ghosts and everything, because for my money and your mileage may vary. um But I think Ryan Reynolds is the scariest thing in this movie. And the more that they focused on that, I think it would have been better to make all that other shit more of a mystery.
00:14:20
Speaker
And just focus on him going nuts and getting more and more insane and more and more mean as the movie went on. And I really did love the touch to where like when he leaves, when he's not at the house, like even, ah even the wife is like, but you're like straight up, not an asshole right now.
00:14:36
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Right. That we're not at the house. And he's like, yeah, i know. Is it that weird? And then like, as soon as they get back to the house, he's like, are you fucking suck? If you're like, oh, well, okay. I guess we're going to hang out at the house then. Cause that makes sense.
00:14:47
Speaker
Never leave this place. um yeah i Yeah. I saw this movie for the first time ah last night. Wow. this is also, let me just check my notes here, the first Amityville movie I've ever seen.
00:15:03
Speaker
wow So i this is this is this is my entry point. Now, HBO Max did decide that I needed to watch the original right after this one, and i was like, I gotta go to bed, bitch. And then I didn't fall asleep for three more hours because my body hates me. So... um So yeah, I could have watched it and probably been okay. Because apparently, according to you, it's not scary. So I probably could have been fine. Steven, you know what I watched after this? I was telling Jimmy this before the recording.
00:15:30
Speaker
um I was watching this movie and I was like, you know, I like this movie. i do i do like it's It's above average. like I think it's pretty okay. And there's some stuff I really like. But you know what's kind of like this, but like a hundred times better? Sinister.
00:15:45
Speaker
Sinister. e and so I've watched Sinister like as soon as this was credits ended you know logos universal and like okay cool cool cool Sinister immediately after like double feature did we talk about last week am I dreaming or did we talk about Sinister last week probably we've been talking about it a lot recently I was gonna say I know it's come up in conversation between you and I cause again the thing that freaks me the fuck out about that movie is they did everything right they did the right shit
00:16:16
Speaker
we We talked about it because Officer So-and-so so was in last week's movie. Yes, that's what we did. That's what it was. James Ransom, the great James Ransom, who honestly probably would have been a great lead in this movie, let's be honest. um he would ah He would have blown it out of the water, quite frankly. But alas, he is not in this movie.
00:16:37
Speaker
um but ah But you know who I love in this movie is Melissa George. Oh, you like her? I don't even know who the fuck that is. Like, I know who she is from this movie, but what else do I know her from?
00:16:49
Speaker
I recognize her for sure. She has a very memorable scene, if you know what I mean, and I think you do, in Alex Proyas' Dark City. Oh, chi does she show her butt?
00:17:01
Speaker
No.
00:17:03
Speaker
ah Do we see her breasts? We do in that movie. There it is. ah She's also in ah the ah recurring character in the third season of Alias, which is my favorite season of that show. ah
00:17:18
Speaker
hu Really? She's one of those actresses who's just been in so much stuff over the course of her career. she was in LA Confidential. Oh, no, the pilot for the TV series. Right. That we'll cover on our inevitable failed pilots spinoff show. She was Mulholland Drive. I don't remember her in that. Sugar and Spice. I don't remember her in that. Oh, she's the she's the other girl. ah that This is the girl, but in the the latter half of the movie after Naomi Watts goes off the rails.
00:17:48
Speaker
Oh, She's the other blonde girl. Very cool. Outside of that, I have not seen any of these things. And if I have, I don't remember her in them. She's, she just kind of one of those people who like we were trying to make happen for a while and never really did. I'm pretty sure she gets Amityville horror off the strength of her role in alias.
00:18:08
Speaker
Uh, she plays the, the girl that Sydney's guy ends up with after she's like in a coma for a year or something. ah she's in 30 days of night. Um, Oh yeah, I saw that once when it came out.
00:18:21
Speaker
Right. um Gothica... um Saw that once when it came out. La Dangerous, the Dangerous Liaisons TV movie. Of course. Everybody's seen that.
00:18:33
Speaker
Shut up. um No, she's just kind of one of those people. And then she never really hit. I think this is kind of her biggest, ah probably her biggest play outside. I mean, she you know we're trying to hit it for a few years, like Therese does, Derailed. like Sounds like she's still trying to hit it, Stephen, as much as you like her.
00:18:53
Speaker
I mean, I wouldn't say i wouldn't say no. um But ah yeah i don't know why she'd do and I don't know why she'd say yes, but I wouldn't say no. um
00:19:03
Speaker
But no, that I mean, yeah, i'm ah i I think she's great. And she's she's a very talented actress as well. I think she's actually very good in this movie. It's kind of a thankless role, but um i think she does fairly well with it.
00:19:15
Speaker
so Yeah. No, i like I like her too. I really like um i like the chemistry but between her and Ryan Reynolds. like Especially from the beginning, i I believe them as a couple.
00:19:28
Speaker
Right. Yeah. Especially that opening scene where you're just like establishing chemistry and stuff. You're like, that's good. You know and then was like two to five minutes later, they have that like montage where it's like the eight millimeter and.
00:19:43
Speaker
ah Yeah, all those fuzzy feelings. You need that early on to ah to kind of establish the erosion of the relationship. It's something you don't really get in The Shining, and I think it's one of the failings of The Shining as a film, is that you don't really establish anything good in their relationship prior to it starting. Like, Jack Nicholson's kind of always an asshole in that movie. You just dive right into it, really. Right. Of like, ah, this makes me feel uncomfortable. All right, cool. and i do I do kind of wish... Surely it'll get better.
00:20:15
Speaker
I do kind of wish that in this film that the that it went a little slower with that, because I do enjoy the few scenes that we have where it's just kind of starting to get to him. And he's like, what the what's wrong with me? You know, it goes it goes from that to like he's just fully insane too quickly for me.
00:20:36
Speaker
I wish there were more kind of in-between stuff because I think Ryan Reynolds plays that very well, kind of going from mean to, like, confused to, you know, feeling bad, feeling sorry, you know.
00:20:49
Speaker
I think he does a really good job with those few scenes that he gets to do that. But then after that, he's just a fucking madman. Right. And, um I mean, it's a 90-minute movie, so we don't have a lot of time to spend. but I know, but...
00:21:04
Speaker
know There's probably a director's cut that's a lot longer that has more of that shit in it. It's a horror movie and it's an early aughts horror movie. So you want to get to you know the grisly murders and the animal killing and the you know terrorizing children as quickly as you possibly can. Because that's but's what we're going to the movies for. it's I mean, it's 2005. It's post 9-11. We've already seen Saw and the Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake at this point. like Straight up. we're We're like heading in that direction and kind of hurtling towards... It's got to be darker, grimmer grimy, or grittier. like
00:21:43
Speaker
The one thing that kind of sets this movie apart from its... forebears of the era is that it doesn't have like that green or like blue filter on it. That like scuzzy looking filter that makes everything look really gross.
00:21:56
Speaker
It's kind of the only thing we're missing. I do actually really appreciate the the lighting and the color grading in this film because um despite the fact that all of the main actors have modern hairstyles, everything else, including the color grading and some of the cinematography and the lighting, feels very 70s to me.
00:22:19
Speaker
It does. That feels very intentional. Steven, there was that last scene where he's... in the, like, sub-basement or whatever, and he gets to the pre or the preacher, what the minister, whatever his title was, and the the color grading completely changes to that actual... they They do tease that sort of, like, grimy, gritty look for, like, five seconds. Oh, nice catch. I didn't even notice that. Yeah, no, it was definitely there, though, still. Like, I was like, oh, there's that...
00:22:53
Speaker
There's that 2005 filter. There it is. There's the small filter. There it is. it is it But it was it was it was well done because it was just in that moment of him kind of getting that flash of that flashback or whatever you want to call Right.
00:23:09
Speaker
so Speaking of flashbacks, if I may say, I love that they start this movie with the DeFeo murders because in the original, they barely talk about it and they just do it in the sequel.
00:23:22
Speaker
Amityville 2 is just the DeFeo murders.
Horror Tropes and Remakes
00:23:25
Speaker
I'm glad that they do that as kind of the cold open because it sets the tone for the house a lot better. And like when they're it gives you context. You're in the know in that scene where they're touring the house.
00:23:39
Speaker
Right. And they're like, why is it so cheap? And the realtor lady's like, ah, I think, you know, something I noticed this time too, is that the realtor lady sees a ghost. Yes. And she's like, got on the wall this way.
00:23:52
Speaker
You guys want to go this way? Cause yeah, no reason. No reason. Just this way. It's cool. It seems like that play. i Like, I remember there's a scene very similar to that in the first season of American Horror Story as well. The murder house season and where, you know, the realtor showed in the house and well, technically this house has a very dark history.
00:24:09
Speaker
um You know, like it's it's kind of, it's almost at this point, it's a trope in and of itself where you've got the realtor kind of showing the house and trying to, oh, ha kicking the dead body under the rug kind of thing.
00:24:21
Speaker
Yes. At a certain point, it's unavoidable though. Yeah. Like some things are tropes because they're tropes. And I would say you tro tropes exist for a reason. Yeah. correct yeah You just hope they pull it off, you know, with maybe a little bit of flair.
00:24:35
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. yeah they that they're able to to to do it well or to add something to it or use it in a way that's unexpected. Just at least put it through your own thing. Yeah, exactly. Make it your own. find out Find a way to do it without just doing the thing that everyone's done a million times. And be like, ah you see that? ah Well, that I feel like ah in 2005, you could have gotten away with it. But now you can't because everybody knows everything.
00:25:01
Speaker
About everything. So everybody knows every trope about every movie. So it's to a point to where if you make a certain kind of movie and you don't include the tropes, but you have to do it in a clever way that people haven't seen before, but the tropes have to be there.
00:25:14
Speaker
people are going to get People are going to get mad at you if they're not there. And people are going to get mad at you if they're there and you do don't do something creative with them. It's a Kobayashi Maru. It's a no-win scenario. It truly is.
00:25:27
Speaker
Unless you cheat.
00:25:30
Speaker
you know, approach the formulaic approach movie making, which is like almost never good. Correct. And yeah, I, a hundred percent. When it's cookie cutter like that, you know,
00:25:44
Speaker
Well, and this is again, this is the time we'll be talking about this a lot over the course of this month. But like this is the time when we're get everything is getting remade. Like everything is getting remade during this time period.
00:25:56
Speaker
And so we're good or for eling able for ill. Yeah. I mean, it's never really stopped. Like it starts in 2003 with the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. one yeah yeah castle movies before that too like the haunting and house on haunted hill and that's right yes when zemeckis was remaking all those uh william a william cast we uh yep you know i'm talking about william castle um yeah when did the uh psycho remake come out uh that that was was it 99 2001 2000 think it might ah hang on i'm gonna look it up it was at theater when i worked there so there's no way it was 99 98 because i would have been ah really yep wow i'm looking at the poster right now 1998 gus van sant uh vince vaughn and heche julie ann moore
00:26:48
Speaker
Another performance where he's not being just his normal self, like Ryan Reynolds in this movie. Viggo Mortensen, William H. Macy, Robert Forrester, the great yeah Philip Baker Hall in that movie. There's a lot of good actors and a lot of good performances in that movie. I think everybody does a really good job.
00:27:06
Speaker
Rance Howard, Rita Wilson, James Remar, even the below the line, Flea? Motherfucking Fleas in this bitch? The problem isn't the performances in that film. It's that the experiment just doesn't work.
00:27:21
Speaker
Right. I applaud Gus Van Sant for trying something that had never been done before. I realized why he did it. And i applaud him for doing it. Everybody does a great job in it, but you i just can't get over the fact that it's just exactly the same, which with a remake, you want to draw comparisons, but i want to you want to tell the story a little differently to make it the reason for it to be remade.
00:27:49
Speaker
you have yeah You have to have it differently ought to be a reason that we're doing this again. like are we saying something about different actors in the same thing? You know, correct. Yes, it's ridiculous. Why even bother, dude?
00:28:02
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Yeah, 100%. And again, that's something I think that's in with the inherent flaw of a remake. Like last week, we talked about Prom Night, which is a remake in name only because that movie has nothing to do with the original film except that it's set on the night of the prom and there's a killer.
00:28:22
Speaker
Like that's it. That's the only similarity. Those are only similarities there versus you know something like Gus Van Sant's Psycho, which is – shot for shot, essentially. just Which, again, is a fun exercise as a student film or like a film school project, but to make like a blockbuster movie that's basically... like If I want to watch Psycho, ah I've got Psycho on 4K back on my shelves. like I'll put that in and I'll watch it I did the other night. I'll do it again. I love that movie. It's great.
00:28:50
Speaker
like Like I said, i think it's I think it's worthless, but at the same time, that's something I've always admired about Gus Van Sant is he's never... gotten past that film school experimentation.
00:29:02
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For good or for ill, he's always doing something different. He's always trying something new, and that's what I like about it. Whether I like it or not, don't. There's a lot of movies of his that I do not like, but I respect him them. there some that really love. Like, I love Good Will Hunting. I adore To Die For. Like, To Die For is...
00:29:20
Speaker
Wonderful. i think That's another one I own on Well, I love her in everything. and she's she's She's marvelous. I think Nicole Kidman can do no wrong. um Well, there was that weird baby girl movie. not going to talk about the Stepford Wives. I haven't seen it yet. I need to watch it.
00:29:36
Speaker
I need to engage with baby girl. Do you? I watched Birthday Girl. My partner and I were going to do a Nicole Kidman double feature, Birthday Girl and Baby Girl. She plays a Russian mail-order bride. Okay. Okay.
00:29:50
Speaker
But you've seen the trailers for a Baby Girl, right? like Yeah. You felt the ick from it? because I think that's the point. It just seems like a really gross movie. I think that's the point.
00:30:03
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Not every movie is the feel-good movie of the summer, Tucker. Yeah, it doesn't have to be for you, little guy. Yeah. Oh, okay. You know what else isn't for me? Faces of Death. So we should make more of those? that what you're telling me?
00:30:16
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I feel no pain from whatever you said. yeah I don't think any context. I was going to say, I don't know what you're talking about. So never mind. Faces of Death was a video series in the 80s that was kind of underground and it showed real videos of people and animals being killed.
00:30:38
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Not snuff films, because it was like reporting footage. Like these things just happened and someone was recording. It wasn't like someone they were like, we're making a film. We're going to kill you.
00:30:48
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was like people died and it was filmed. Like it just happened to be filmed. Now the animals, body after body fallen out of. like No, but it's really fucked up. And that's what I'm saying. We're just filming them.
00:31:04
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Just because... ah It's literally I think you should leave level. I was going to say, that's um that's amazing. That we snuck a Tim Robinson reference in there. That's a ah hunter that's the real life version of that, I guess.
00:31:19
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and think Body after body. As soon as you said falling out of coffins, I'm like, oh my god.
00:31:27
Speaker
i didn't do fucking shit. I didn't do why shit. making mud pies in your toilet. That kind of thing though. sounds more like an art project that you'd go to like an exhibit and it's like, they're like on a projector on a big white wall.
00:31:45
Speaker
Like something you see in like one of those like weird offbeat museums that that that only exist in like weird, like dark corners of weird cities. There's probably two or three of them up in Chicago, but yeah.
00:31:58
Speaker
Right. i The format, I guess the theater that, nope like, using the theater as like more of like a broad term, like the the way it's presented just seems a little off, you know? It's like...
00:32:10
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that' It also like you've run into that in the middle of the night in downtown New York City, you know, it also feels like the logical extension of like those Fox when animals attack kind of shit where you're like, you know, just kind of the exploitation of like that late nineties kind of like shock television that Fox had like the market cornered on in those early days.
00:32:34
Speaker
Early internet was ah filled with a lot of that shit, too. I remember when I was in the military, I remember the guys in my office huddling around the computer to watch one of the Taliban beheadings.
00:32:46
Speaker
Oh, fuck. Guess who didn't? Guess who didn't huddle behind that and find that entertaining and fun? Fuck, bro. Me. Yeah, I wouldn't either. Fuck that. I was like, no, why would you want to watch that? First of all, that's that's our that's one of our people.
00:33:01
Speaker
And number two why just why would you be interested in that at all anyway? Why is that something you would even want to engage with, right? I understand the curiosity, but that curiosity would never fucking take me that far.
00:33:13
Speaker
No. Never. Never, ever, ever, ever, ever. Yikes. Boy, yeah. Anyway, boy, this movie's a hoot, isn't it? That's fun.
00:33:24
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That is a hoot.
00:33:27
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you see the dar yeah bro Yeah, he sure does. ah Ryan Reynolds fucking killing that dog, though. Fuck that. That was harsh, bro. That was, that sucked.
00:33:38
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He, he realized what he had done afterwards, though. Sure. no denying that Right. that Doesn't make it right, though, Tucker. No, I'm just saying that was one of, one of the few transition scenes I enjoyed, like where that happens. And he's like, oh fuck.
00:33:53
Speaker
But then like the next time you see him, he's complete. That's the last one. Right. He's even remotely regular George Lutz. Until he gets out on the boat, proving that really the only thing a man needs to get his mind right is just a trip out on the lake with the boat.
00:34:08
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Steven, you know what they say? ah the The two best days of a man's life is the day he gets his boat and the day he sells it.
00:34:19
Speaker
That's what I've heard. i don't know what that means, but i thought given the context, I would share that with you. i don't know. I think I feel like it implies some things, but sure.
00:34:30
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Yes.
00:34:33
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You know, because of the implication. Yeah, for sure. um But no, yeah I mean, systems work system works without pay phones because there's no anonymity.
00:34:48
Speaker
Because you need the payphone to be like, you don't know who I am. and i'm like if you just What are you going to do? How are you going to make that work? Sorry. and to I'm sorry. I didn't mean to. it just Sure.
00:35:00
Speaker
We know you have no filter. It's fine. oh Particularly not when you've been drinking and smoking, both of which you've been doing. so I don't know what you're talking about. i You never do. Ironically, never do.
00:35:14
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you know what You know what, Stephen? It's very weird that you mention that because I read an article the other day. Oh, tell me ah tell me about this article that you've read many times and over the course of our friendship. Jimmy, have you heard this? Have you seen about this?
00:35:29
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um I read this article and it said that marijuana, um it can negatively affect your memory. You believe that?
00:35:42
Speaker
You believe that? Who'd have thought? Who'd have thought?
00:35:48
Speaker
By this point, Evan, this has just become a running bit on the podcast. I think this is like the fourth week in a row he's done this. I hate to i hate to like break the ah K-fab, but he's he's and literally said that almost verbatim in the delivery like over the phone like maybe last week or whatever when we talked. Yeah. yeah He does it all the time. And I remember it.
00:36:10
Speaker
That's the bit, Jimmy. I've been saying it to you for months. Every time I talk to you. Oh, wow. It's just one those things. the bit. it's like wine. No, it's the bit. ah Okay. Let's go behind the curtain a little bit here. You guys need to do some reason.
00:36:24
Speaker
let Let me explain this to you. So it's funnier. i't Everything's usually funny. Once you explain it, it's like, so the reason I think the bit is funny is because I keep telling the bit over and over as though it's the first time.
00:36:39
Speaker
And the bit is about marijuana affecting your memory. So the joke is I'm telling i tell you the same story about marijuana affecting my memory, but I'm telling it like it's new every time because marijuana is affecting my memory.
00:36:51
Speaker
ah you know That's okay, Tucker. I don't blame you. I heard the musician is the first listener when they perform. And I'd say the comedian is the first person who hears their own jokes. And listen, bud, if you're having a good time, I'm having a good time.
00:37:09
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Look, and you know what I heard um ah the letter Jimmy? um What I heard was that when you sit in the front row... When you sit in the front row at the movie theater, you see and hear everything first. Like it's, it's almost immeasurable. scientific It's an immeasurable amount, but, but you're there. So it's all hitting you first.
00:37:30
Speaker
Yep. So the person who sits in the front row of the first showing of a film is the first person outside of production to see it. Even if they're in the theater with other people, god saying you're right there. So it hits it.
00:37:45
Speaker
You're closer. It hits your eyes. The light hits your eyes first. i don't want to I don't want to believe that, Tucker, because that means I was the first person to see the so or David Ayer's Suicide Squad.
00:37:56
Speaker
And that movie sucked ass. Because cause when when my ex bought us tickets to see that movie, ah she thought the front row was the back row. And so we were like in a giant theater like looking up at Killer Croc like this with our necks crane like 90 degrees upwards. I will say I also saw that Suicide Squad movie at the movie theater with a mutual friend of all three of us.
00:38:23
Speaker
And we both did not like it. Yeah, it's not good. It's not good. Though I am i am interested i am interested in if if if we ever get the air cut, I would watch it.
00:38:35
Speaker
I probably would too. We never will, but I would watch it. I mean, it's either just going to suck just as much or it's going to be like really, really good somehow. I think it's going to suck in a different way. And I think interesting. I'm down either one, really.
00:38:50
Speaker
Well, I'm okay something in a different way because I'm also a fan of the Halloween six producers cut because it sucks in a completely different way. In a way that I prefer. i prefer the way the producers. suckcksage Yeah. I will say the James gun, James guns. The suicide squad is definitely a step up in almost every conceivable way Oh, for sure. oh for sure. the one that.
00:39:16
Speaker
Nope. I don't want to talk about Peacemaker canon. I'm not going to talk about it. Let's move on. I was going he's no let's talk wrong no please i was goingnna say, if you want to, this is a much more preferable environment to discuss that than over text.
00:39:31
Speaker
Oh, don't look. um If you want to get into it, we can get into it. I will say a tiny bit. We're going get into it, but I'm, what I'm going to say is oh let's get into a bit that so the more, nope The more time that has gone on the more I have been distracted by it, because I think in those early episodes they had to kind of bring up the retcon. They had to do the retconning and then they had to bring up the stuff that is still canon.
00:39:59
Speaker
But basically after the first two episodes, none of that shit is mentioned. As heavily as it is in the first two episodes, so because the third episode you get the the references to the David Ayer Super Suicide Squad film.
00:40:14
Speaker
not to Not to spoil it. The opening scene of that third episode. Yes. Oh. Still so confusing. um And I realize that I shouldn't think about it so much. But it's just... It's not... It's such weird... It doesn't bother me because I'm a comic fan. But I am. I am too.
00:40:35
Speaker
But this is a different medium,
DC Universe and Filmmaking Styles
00:40:37
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Stephen. It's a completely different... medium it is a different medium but it is a medium based on the medium of comics and so you have to carry that logic into it because without that logic it's just silly i just i mean it's silly without the logic but yeah i just really think that it would but have been so easy to have just taken peacemaker from the dceu used his fucking closet full of dimensional doors and put him in the new DCU.
00:41:11
Speaker
So easy. i Look, I know that that's what you would expect, but good, because that's what should have happened, because that would have been a clean break from that continuity. But instead, this is very, very messy.
00:41:23
Speaker
And like I say, it's not inhibiting my enjoyment of the show anymore. I'm really digging it, and I'm barely thinking about it. It didn't inhibit my enjoyment at all. Good for you. caught up I'm really, I'm really fucking happy for you. Yes, I am caught up. And yes, everybody was right.
00:41:40
Speaker
Um, including myself. Um, but yeah, I just think you had an opportunity to do a clean ba break and you had to make it all complicated. I still, I sat still don't condone but it's not comics. It's movies and TV. It's movies about comics. Tucker.
00:42:00
Speaker
Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. I'm just saying some things you can't be all fast and loose loosed with because of the time and money that it takes to make a film or a TV show ah as opposed to just making a comic book.
00:42:18
Speaker
I think there's a lot more you get away with. No, have a no-give-a-shit about no superhero shit. damn I'm Jimmy. Sorry, Jimmy doesn't. I called you by your slave name, Jimmy. I'm sorry. i didn't mean to.
00:42:31
Speaker
I'm not allowed to call you anything but your slave name, so I'm i'm sorry. I'll edit it out. I'll beep it out. Don't worry, Jimmy. and i i was i was I was chastised once for calling you by your Tucker name. so Well, that's what you get.
00:42:45
Speaker
yeah It do be like that sometimes. so yeah Sometimes you slip. You know, maybe if we were roommates during COVID, you could call me that too, bro. but Yeah.
00:42:56
Speaker
you didn't you yeah You haven't seen the shit that we've seen, Steven. Bro, it was nuts. That's probably a good thing, to be honest. I set my daughter's hair on fire, dude. Bro, Nuts.
00:43:08
Speaker
Happy birthday. yeah
00:43:14
Speaker
Everybody loves that video. I'll show it to you one day, Steven. It's okay. She's still alive. I'm aware. You didn't set her on fire or anything. Let's clear this up, bro. all right?
00:43:26
Speaker
No, I'm trying to be shaking. Because she leaned in while she was blowing out the candles. All right? Everybody chill out. What a doofus. What a doofus. Oh, that is your progeny. How dare you? Yes, my spawn.
00:43:41
Speaker
Good times, dude. Let's talk about the great Philip Baker Hall. What a fucking legend. Can we? Let's do!
00:43:50
Speaker
ah And I mean, I know him mostly from his his PTA a films, yeah those first three, Heartache, Boogie Nights, Magnolia.
00:44:01
Speaker
ah But I mean, and also, of course, from his great role in Seinfeld as ah Leo Bookman, the the library detective. Um, just a fucking legend. Uh, love that guy.
00:44:13
Speaker
ah you guys were talking about a show that I have no knowledge of earlier, before we started recording corporate. Yeah. One of his last roles was in corporate, but I think his, for me, his big period was like the eighties and nineties because he was in so much shit. So many TV shows and movies that I, that just passed through my periphery at that time.
00:44:35
Speaker
He is in ghostbusters too. You mission ghostbusters too. I did. He's like wallpaper, dude. He's just around. He's everywhere, dude. He was just there. yeah One of the great that guy actors.
00:44:49
Speaker
All the TV shows. Because PTA really, really loved him during that period, like builds his first film around him as an actor. It's like, yeah, i want to make you the lead of my movie.
00:45:01
Speaker
And he just becomes a staple. And that kind of introduces him to a whole new generation of cinephiles and film fans. Well, I mean, and even then, like, I don't think he necessarily needed that like it's good no i'm sure he appreciated it but he would have been fucking fine without it yeah i mean the residuals just off of like those roles alone was probably more than enough yeah yeah I agree.
00:45:31
Speaker
I totally agree. He's also in another another ah pilot that we'll cover for our inevitable failed TV pilot spinoff podcast, Mantis, with Carl Lumley.
00:45:44
Speaker
It's got to be a podcast now because we can't fill it all up in a month, man. It would be like a year, a theme year if we did it on the main feed. I have a huge... i have i Have I shared with you the list that I started, the master list for that podcast?
00:45:58
Speaker
You have spoken quite a bit about it I can share what you're saying. believe all of your words. and And he didn't even start acting until he was 30. That's crazy.
00:46:09
Speaker
Right? Like, just one of those guys who came to it later. Yeah. He was old when he started. bless him. Yeah. Just I and he's great. I've never seen him give a bad performance. I've not seen everything he's done by a long shot.
00:46:23
Speaker
I've seen him in a lot of bad movies, but I've never seen him give a bad performance. He's he's the Nicolas Cage of that guy actors, really. Like he's he's always on regardless of the quality of the movie. Well, and he's he's a character actor, but he's a character actor that for for a lot of the peaks in his careers, he's playing kind of the same kind of characters. like He plays a lot of priests. He plays a lot of cops. like He plays a lot of like wholesome authority figures.
00:46:53
Speaker
Mm-hmm. like He goes between like gruff no-nonsense and kind. I just don't think I've ever seen him as a bad guy in anything.
00:47:04
Speaker
I'm sure he's done Have you ever seen Hard A, PTA's first film? Hard what now? Hard eight his first film. He plays like a a gambler. Are you saying eight, the number eight, or the letter A?
00:47:15
Speaker
the let The number eight. ah Okay, because i thought it was the I thought it was the letter A, and I thought maybe it was the prequel to Easy A. Hard A? Easy A. No. didn't realize that was a sequel. ah No, he is the... um Hang on. I'm trying to find the movie here. It's... ah Because, yeah, it's he plays Sidney.
00:47:36
Speaker
The film was originally titled Sidney, and then it was renamed Hard Eight. And it's him, John C. Reilly, and Gwyneth Paltrow. And it's PTA's first film. It's kind of one of those, like, hidden gem of a movie. It's a very...
00:47:52
Speaker
It's a calling card film. Like a lot of the guys who came up around the and the in like in the indie film circuit in the late 90s, it's kind of one of those films. and It's kind of like Robert Rodriguez's El Mariachi or Kevin Smith's. Yes.
00:48:09
Speaker
Clickety Clerks. clerks that's the one i for whatever reason the names of those just flew right how do you forget i'm tired i'm tired dude i'm running on like four hours of sleep and it's been a long ass day but the sky i'm like yeah man never never or uh or even even like reservoir dogs like it's kind of one of just those small crime films i don't know man this this is It's good though. This feels like the kind of movie that you would have seen that no one else would have seen. It's also got Sam Jackson in it. Of course, Philip Seymour Hoffman. Just a lot of those those stalwarts of early PTA films. But then it's just... It's it's it's a fun little movie. I would highly recommend everybody go walk go rent Heart 8. It's on Amazon right now.
00:49:00
Speaker
i Tucker, if you rent it, let me know because I'd watch it. Yeah, I'll holler at you, boy. Yes, sir. PTA's got a new movie out now, so what better time to catch yourself up on all of his films? I don't know. He's kind of past his expiration date for me.
00:49:16
Speaker
Oh, I've heard his new one is really solid, man. I haven't seen it yet. The one about all the battles. There's a battle, and then there's another battle. cattle after another And more Yeah, Leonardo DiCaprio, Sean Penn.
00:49:28
Speaker
My brother Ian just saw it. He said it was fantastic. Yeah, that's what I've heard. I totally believe you do. And he's got pretty good taste. Yeah. Well, yeah.
00:49:38
Speaker
has pretty good. No, no, no. no right no no Look, I love your brother. we are We are really good friends. um But I would say he has a broad taste.
00:49:53
Speaker
And there's a Venn diagram where our tastes meet a little bit. But there's some stuff that he's into that i while I respect it, it's just not for me.
00:50:04
Speaker
So it's really difficult for me to say someone has... good taste Does good taste exist? i don't think good taste exists now that I'm thinking about Everything's subjective, even reality, bub.
00:50:15
Speaker
There it is. And you just invented that. just said it with my freaking mouth, dude. out of Yeah, dude, you invented it with your brain, dude. You know what I'm Yeah, what even is language, you guys?
00:50:29
Speaker
Oh, man. Words from a buffoon. don't have the language to articulate what language is. Whoa, dude. Some would say we've gotten off track, but... No. This podcast? Never.
00:50:44
Speaker
Get out of here. This is the game on this This what we do. But no, Philip Baker Hall, fucking legend. Love that dude.
00:50:54
Speaker
Hell yeah, Philip Baker Hall. He's not in this movie nearly enough for my taste. I would agree much rather he be in a lot more of this. Well, and the problem with him in this movie, it's not him. um It's the writing.
00:51:06
Speaker
It's the role, yeah. this This scene, it's only the scene that he's in or the little part that he's in, the the few scenes he's in feels completely out of place and not necessary in this movie. And the only reason that it's in this movie is because it's the most memorable scene from the original.
00:51:25
Speaker
Correct. Everybody's waiting for it. Like there's some things I do enjoy about the scene in the remake, but it's wholly unnecessary and does not fit in the film at all.
00:51:36
Speaker
I'm glad he's there. I'm glad we get to see him and he gets to do some stuff, but it's just a waste of fucking time. Like there's no reason for it at all. Right. it Yeah. It feels very perfunctory. It feels like it's there to, to meet a need from the original so that we can actually call it a remake, but it doesn't strengthen the story whatsoever.
00:51:54
Speaker
NARP. No, and then it's it's overly reliant on the CGI that's just not really there. and There's that uncanny valley aspect to it. and Those flies look awful. and You ain't wrong.
00:52:07
Speaker
And then also, I want to throw in that like multiple times with the, like, get out. laughed out loud without even thinking about it. It's just that shit was so corny to me, dude. It i I have notes actually on this. I do too. And I forgot because I was, by the time this over, I was, sued I was ah almost as inebriated as I usually am at the end of an episode of this podcast. So i was like, I better write some of this down.
00:52:36
Speaker
um And the reason, the thing I wrote down for what Jimmy's talking about right now is when the house does talk,
00:52:47
Speaker
it It sounds a very specific and niche way that there's no way this was intended, but it sounds almost exactly like the killer's voice in 11 minute short film from 1989 called Possibly in Michigan.
00:53:06
Speaker
mean, you've talked about this on the podcast before. It's ah Jimmy. We'll watch it soon. Next time you're here. um Don't watch it without me, though. I got you. ah it's It's weird because it's it's like whoever did the the voice of the house in this and the person who ah like mixed and added the effects to the voice of the killer and possibly in Michigan in 1989, they did the exact same thing just on accident.
00:53:38
Speaker
Mm-hmm. And ah I had to stop the movie and kind of think about that for a while because I think it's so wild how I mean, throughout my life, there are so many things that I thought I invented.
00:53:51
Speaker
And it turns out like a lot of people were doing it. It's just we all independently had the same idea. hmm. And I find it interesting, especially something as niche as this short film, that a movie like this just randomly, coincidentally, has the same like ah vocal effects and you know production as that other thing.
00:54:13
Speaker
And that kind of blew my mind a little bit. The... Collective unconsciousness, dude. Dude, yeah, there it is. What if it's an homage, though? What if they did know about it? There's a sliver of a hope, bro. A very, very sliver of a chance. The only people until probably about five or ten years ago, the only people that had seen this movie were the people that saw it at the film festivals when it was originally made.
00:54:41
Speaker
and maybe students that were in the director's class because the writer and director, she is still a professor at a university. And I want to say Minnesota, maybe Wisconsin, one of the two. Well, if I don't think that's movies and along. Look, it's not it's not impossible, but it's very, very improbable.
00:55:06
Speaker
ah Because a lot of people have seen this now, but until it hit YouTube, a handful, like ah ah whole like however many like little people you could put in your hand right here. That's how many people have probably seen it.
00:55:21
Speaker
Dozens, maybe. she yeah She works at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. Thank you. yeah as a video As a professor emerita. So she is is not ah not a...
00:55:35
Speaker
currently working, but is kind of an honorary honorary professor. Yes. One day we'll talk about possibly in Michigan, probably on something on the Patreon because it is it's a trilogy of films.
00:55:49
Speaker
I'll have Joe on for that, too, because when we went to Pittsburgh, I did a short film festival ah that I curated for us. And those three films were in that. And we had things to say about it for sure.
00:56:02
Speaker
um I can only imagine. Yeah, dude. we know what we think We're going to burn us straight up on one on that one? I don't know. I think we're gonna just a Patreon special. It's not. okay It's a short and it in no way fits the format.
00:56:19
Speaker
I could probably talk about that short for much longer than some of these feature length films that we've talked about before. I mean, you could do what if you had like a collection of shorts, you know, like your collection shorts, you know,
00:56:33
Speaker
Actually, normally you wear jeans, which is weird. Yeah, I don't like seeing my knees, bro. You wear shorts around the house. I've seen your knees, but very few other people have. Only because it's a necessity in Tucson, Arizona. And because you're brethren, for sure.
00:56:50
Speaker
Yeah, i don't let many people see my knees. Yeah, so there are two things. I am the only person that's allowed to call you Jimmy, and also I'm one of the few of senior knees. ah Something else that I've mentioned in my notes here is that this was ah one of the last in a long lines of the...
00:57:13
Speaker
IBG trope, Indian burial ground trope. We got your poltergeist. Basically anything that involves a ghost from the 70s until the early 2000s, it's because you dumbass white people built some houses on top of some indigenous graves.
00:57:35
Speaker
Which, again, was really poignant early on and then just became... the trope and became so overused that it became a punchline or or shorthand for these damn white people. Like, which I mean, to be fair, it's just like, yes, and if you're going to include that element, you might as well like make it good, you know? Yes.
00:58:01
Speaker
Do something in with it. Yeah. Instead of it just being like, you know, Ooh, scary. Like, Native American mysticism, ooh, spooky. Like, that in and of itself is, like, problematic and annoying, you know? Absolutely. And then it's just like, why are at that point, yeah, why are we throwing out tropes? like And, yeah, that's it's it is, like, based in the source material, though, as well. Like, that's from the book, you know, and then from the original movie and stuff, too. like But, you know, at the same time, it's like,
00:58:35
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there's they could have just been like a ah killing ground too you know i yeah i don't know it's just well like a battlefield even you could say like you know a a huge battle from a native war happened here i guess it's just a lazy trope at this point it is yeah like it's it kind of adds to like kids like the bad sort of kitsch to this movie and that sort of like and though i think the intentions of the trope are are positive where it's like you know white people did some fucked up shit and so any dead native american is going to be pissed off at a white person like fair but like the more you do it and the more that it's just kind of written off as like just oh yeah uh
00:59:19
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Wait, what why is it haunted? Oh yeah, Indian burial ground. It doesn't matter. Indian burial ground, whatever. The more you do it and the more you don't give it any attention and the proper attention that it deserves, the more it fucking cheapens it.
00:59:31
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yeah Or it has the exact opposite effect. Oh, it's like, it's basically like ah having somebody... scapegoat instead of something with meaning. It's like seeing somebody in, you know, a Native American head garb like but translated for like in movies. You know what I mean? It's just... right you know it's just It's not great. And yeah.
00:59:55
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If you're going do it, give it the give it the space to breathe that it deserves. Because that is a... It is quite a concept that like... you know, the reason that American society is the way it is because this ground is haunted by, you know, the genocide that happened hundreds of years ago and continue to happen. But um I think that's an interesting concept, but you you got to do it right because it's the same vibe. It was like seeing somebody with like witch doctor vibes, you know? Yes.
01:00:29
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You know, it's in that same family. And it's so rarely been done right. Like, and that's, that's, I think part of the problem is that it became a shorthand. I can't think of when it's been done right. I think the closest you get, honestly, might be the original Poltergeist.
01:00:45
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That's the only thing that keeps coming to my mind too. Well, I think not because they really handle it with the most care. I mean, they don't fumble it. It's just really one of the the first mainstream examples of it. So there's nothing before it.
01:00:59
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So right being the first kind of solidifies it. They don't reckon with it properly, but they at least they at least play into the horror of it. to the The whole, like, you you didn't even fucking bother to check what this was or or why this why the land was so fucking cheap. You just built the houses on it. You didn't care that this is sacred land. Yeah.
01:01:21
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right you know Again, we we still have – we're still impressed with what it is and why it is important, but we don't really reckon with the you know the horror of it in in yeah exactly a meaningful way.
01:01:35
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Yeah, it's just like ornaments. It's like ornaments. it's just like or you know so Yes, indeed. Yeah, in I forgot about that part until it happened. And I was like, oh, man.
01:01:48
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yeah Lost points right there. they they almost They're almost clever about it, but they tease it too long, and then when they finally reveal it, it's just stupid. like I really like the tease of like the you know the off-air screen, and it has the the guy with the...
01:02:10
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ah Well, they call it headdress on like you did in those days. Like that was a common like off the air screen. Right. So I thought that was really cool how they teased it with that. But there wasn't it wasn't a good transition from teasing it to it being there because it just ended up being stupid and inconsequential in the air. Which.
01:02:30
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yeah Feels like so many of the horror remakes of this era, like they're trying so hard to be clever, but they just don't quite get there. And it just this feels like, again, like i I kind of jokingly called it at the beginning of the episode, the crown jewel. But in a lot of ways, it's emblematic of what the remakes of this era are in that they're just kind of they're they're hollow cash grabs that are not quite clever enough to really work on their own.
01:03:01
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But buy I'm not going to say for the studios to bet on. yeah hundred percent I mean, horror is usually a safe bet. And this is, I mean, these are, ah we're cashing in on established names and established IP.
01:03:13
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It's the same thing we're fucking doing now. Hollywood is nothing but IP now. We don't have an original bone in our bodies anymore. That's why there's never going to be a perfect remake because the perfect remake would be a film that had a good idea that completely fucked up the execution, a movie that didn't do well, a movie that's not popular,
01:03:33
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Something that had a lot of potential, but just couldn't fucking nail it. Those the movies I want to see remade. Those the movies I want to see retooled. But you're not going to make money off of that because the good movies are the movies that people remember.
01:03:49
Speaker
Correct. The shitty movies, not as many people give a fuck about. Those those are the ones that need to be remade for years. He who must not be named was talking about remaking Logan's run. And I'm like, you know what? Fucking remake Logan's run. That movie is like tier at best.
01:04:04
Speaker
And like, that's a movie that could, could do with a remake for sure. that would rare Obviously I want, I want someone better than he who must not be named to direct it. And he's not directing anything anymore. Thank God. But cause he's finally been properly canceled, but yeah, like fuck that guy. But look, remake someone good remake. Logan's run, please. And thank you.
01:04:23
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Well, Edgar Wright did, right? No, that's The Running Man. He did The Running Man. Yeah, another one. I really don't want to skip an Edgar Wright movie, but I think I have to because like through no, it's not it's not the dude's fault.
01:04:38
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It's not his fault. It's kind of a Sean Penn situation to where my brain, my unconscious brain, not my conscious self, will not let me have a good time while looking at that man's face.
01:04:53
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What's that guy's name? Glenn Powell. it was I would say, yeah, he was in the Twister sequel. yep i can't I'm sure he's fantastic. I do feel really bad about this kind of shit. Not so much with Sean Penn because he's kind of an asshole. but He is an asshole, yeah. This Glenn Powell guy, I don't know him. I'm sure he's great, but i just I just can't have a good time looking at his face. And I wish my brain were different, and I wish my brain would let me.
01:05:19
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But it won't. I want to see, i honestly, i love that they cast Coleman Domingo as the host. Like, I think that's a really, really smart, really fun casting.
01:05:30
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For sure. For sure. now ah Now, you know who I wanted to play the host? My dream casting for the host of The Running Man. Steve Harvey. Stanley Tucci.
01:05:41
Speaker
Oh. That would be great. Can we? Oh, man. He would rule. He would be so good. Tell him to pull it out of theaters, redo it, put Steve Harvey in there.
01:05:52
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nus See, I love Coleman Domingo. way like Coleman Domingo is an amazing actor. So I i have nothing against Coleman Domingo. keaton thompson as steve harvey na um no no you've said come on you've seen his family feud though he does the steve harvey yes of course i love it because it's not good but it's accurate that's that's why i don't wanted to see him i would rather because steve harvey has done films before like the man can he could he could pull it off is what i'm saying
01:06:24
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No, I don't know. Steve Harvey, he's an actor. Like, he started out in movies and TV and shit. Yeah, stand-up. Yeah, stand-up movies and TV. Yeah. I do love it. He had the highest rated show on television for the longest time.
01:06:38
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Something that I think Kenan does get very right with his impression is the physicality. He really understands the way that Steve Harvey moves. you know like That's what sells Keaton Thompson as Steve Harvey for me is his physicality.
01:06:56
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Yeah, that's I think that's the thing he gets right. And I mean, any good impressionist will tell you, you have to find your way into the character. And sometimes it's something very small. Sometimes it's a vocal ad affectation. sometimes like it's Sometimes it's for Dana Carvey's Joe Biden, it was the, I'm serious. Like that was the thing. That was his way in to that impression. that No, I'm serious.
01:07:16
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I'm not messing around. yeah like daas his But every good impressionist will tell you you have to find the way into that character. Even the bad ones like myself, like i that's how I figure it out. I will think that I don't have an impression of somebody and then all of a sudden I'll say something and I'll be like, well, that's fucking cool.
01:07:38
Speaker
And then all of a sudden you've got a Billy Bob Thornton like that you didn't know you had. That you had no idea you had the the capability for. Oh, you know, you could just say words.
01:07:52
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No, Stephen, no. No.
01:07:59
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oh man. darey How dare you, sir? How dare i impuning my ah Impugn my walk-in. I was trying to help you, Stephen. ah My final note on this is that the ending is good until it's not.
01:08:19
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It's good, and then would... Go on At the point to where it should end, up to that point, I enjoy the ending. But then there's that little epilogue.
01:08:31
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Afterwards, that has no reason to be there. And it kills the momentum of the ending of the film. I really like the shot of them just on the boat into the sunset.
01:08:43
Speaker
Credits. Let's do it. Let's go. Perfect. Fantastic. But no, I would have that shit at the end. And it just it took all the steam out of it. Like it took all the breath out of it That's your sequel hook, but that's also your, ah that's your, again, it's that shit that, that thing that I hate where you've got to end the movie on one final jump scare or what the fuck are we doing?
01:09:04
Speaker
Like, i I, hate that shit. And I've mentioned that this podcast so many times. It was so horrible when she like went into the, went into the floor or lie or whatever. I was just, Oh God, so terrible. Yeah.
01:09:17
Speaker
Like, cause it just, she's screwed. And again, it's one of those things where we're holding a shot longer than two seconds. So, you know, it's coming, you know, they're going to do something to try to make you go. So like, it but it just, it belabors the point. Like, and you already get the scene where she screams like, like apropos of nothing directly into the camera.
01:09:37
Speaker
And then we just do that slow pan back until she gets sucked into the floor. And it's just, yeah, you're, you're fucking rolling your eyes at that point. Straight up yawn. Straight up garbage, dude. Yes.
01:09:50
Speaker
I also wanted to say um i I found myself laughing at the catch-em-and-kill scene when she's doing the dishes and she looks over and the fridge magnets rearrange from something totally benign and wholesome to catch-em-and-kill. Oh, and that was B-movie shit, too, and it just pops in there from a different movie. She looked around and she was like, she...
01:10:13
Speaker
She analyzes it, and then she says it out loud, and it's just like, yeah oh boy. you did for me For me, it was like like, what movie are we in? like Up to this point, it's been pretty grounded, and then all of a sudden, ooh, spooky letters.
01:10:29
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Yeah. we're We were far beyond that sort of thing at that point, and I think her reaction was... total horseshit I don't know yeah I'm sure she didn't want it to be like that I want to benefit of the doubter and be like yeah that's a that was like in the script and the director was like very adamant that that's how she has to play that scene but boy it was terrible it was terrible yeah yeah I thought that was pretty dumb too and they used um they used blurry slow-mo on it too look um yeah don't every time I see it I think of you dude
01:11:05
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Don't slow down footage that was shot at 24 frames per second. If you're going to do slow-mo, you need to plan that shit out. There is no post-production slow-mo.
01:11:16
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There is only slow-mo that you plan because all pro post-production slow-mo in any movie, in any context is shit. That explains why you love Zack Snyder so much.
01:11:31
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Well, yeah, he shoots at a higher frame rate so that it looks good and smooth. That's a man who loves his slow-mo, and you know he plans that shit out way in advance. He storyboards that shit. Mm-hmm. And I think he's really good at using it. There are a few of his films where I think that it's it's a bit much, but in general, I think that— Oh, a few?
01:11:50
Speaker
Yeah, just for me at least. like I get that a lot of other people think that all of his films have too much slow-mo in it, but it is a visual style. It's ah it's a visual kind of characteristic It's one of his auteurists.
01:12:04
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's one of his auteurists flourishes. yeah For me, when I see a movie that I know is directed by Zack Snyder, I expect a certain amount of that. There are a few movies for me where he does that too much and it gets old and boring.
01:12:18
Speaker
One of which is Sucker sucker Punch. uh future episode of this podcast sucker punch 300 i thought it was a bit much but everything else i i don't mind it i i know that is what puts him on the map so that's where it really like that's when he embraces it but i don't like 300 don't i don't like 300 don't blame you like sorry the comic is only o k I just don't care. And you know it's in that color palette that my brain won't let me enjoy. know. Like that like what in medieval ages kind of brown, orange. That's one of those comic book adaptations that's a little too true to the comic.
01:12:58
Speaker
Yeah, he's kind of known for that. Except Watchmen, yeah. when he completely changes the thinkinging right like why and And completely and misunderstands the point of source material, yes.
01:13:10
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I would say completely misrepresents, but we've discussed that before, so everybody knows our opinion on that anyway. We've had that conversation. i don't think anybody's going to be upset. Oh, Jimmy's still there.
01:13:20
Speaker
I just don't think anybody's going to be upset that you have mixed feelings about 300. why Well, people who like 300, maybe Snyder Bros, which Stephen keeps accusing me of being, and I don't appreciate it, because I'm straight up not. I do enjoy some of Zack Snyder's films. I think he's a really good filmmaker, but I am in no way, shape, or form a part of any fandom, and I'm specifically not a Snyder Bro.
01:13:46
Speaker
Look, Tucker, all I'm saying is if the bra fits. So keep my name out your mouth when you're talking about Snyder Bros, Stephen. Um... Famed Snyder bro, Tucker. Hey! Come on, man! You're already here. That's what I heard.
01:14:02
Speaker
I heard on a podcast, dude. You know what I thought? I'm really surprised that a lot more people are... That's a reliable source of news, right? 100%. These days, yes. Like stoned realizations of the fact that...
01:14:15
Speaker
It's so weird that all of our DC movies, the first like a handful of them were led. Basically, the ship was led by Zack Snyder, the director of the remake of Dawn of the Dead.
01:14:29
Speaker
And now James Gunn has taken over um yeah the writer of Dawn of the Dead remake. Correct. Yeah. And it's so weird that they kind of both ended up in the same job.
01:14:43
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Yeah.
01:14:45
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And I would say that that remake is probably one of both of their best films. I was going to say the difference, I think, between Gunn and Snyder in that particular role, if we're if we're going to get into that.
01:15:00
Speaker
I guess briefly because I'm ready to get the fuck out of here, to be honest I am too. i am too. ah But, like, Snyder is one of those guys, if you tell him, and this explains everything about, i think, Man of Steel and the Snyderverse, period.
01:15:15
Speaker
is that if you tell him he can't do something, like if you tell him that Superman can't kill or that Batman can't use guns, he's like, but now I want to make... He's he's enough of a contrarian to be like, well, they can't do this. He's like, okay, but but but what if they could though?
01:15:29
Speaker
But like, what if I made them do that? Like, that's just the kind of person he is. Whereas Gunn is like... I think he's he's specifically wanting to make everything kind of character-focused, and so he's more apt to be true to who those characters are fundamentally at their core. He'll change some things in order to fit the story he wants to tell, but he won't fundamentally like alter who the character is because out of some contrarian need to be different.
01:15:56
Speaker
Okay, final thought on our DC movie tangent that has nothing to do with the Amityville Horror. Yeah. um I want to live in the world where James Gunn writes all the DC movies and Zack Snyder directs all of them.
01:16:15
Speaker
That's the world I want to live in. No big whoop. Wouldn't that be fantastic? Wouldn't we all have a good time? They did an episode of Rick and Morty together. Did you see the episode of Rick and Morty they were in together?
01:16:27
Speaker
stopped watching that after a while, but probably after the second season, was like, eh. You know, it was like them who voiced it and everything, too. They had a good time with it. And they're actually really good friends in real life. like They actually really enjoy each other. I love those guys, and I love the fact that they're friends. I mean, there have been some points and James Gunn's life where I think he hasn't made the best decisions personally as a person, but I don't i think that The thing, the reason I'm not like out to cancel that boy is because he seems like someone who has learned from those mistakes.
01:16:59
Speaker
Exactly. fun And become better used to be a piece of shit. Yeah. Sometimes you used to be a piece of shit. I've done. among Has not been a piece of shit at some point. I don't, I don't think the baby thinks that people can change.
01:17:15
Speaker
anyone anyone don't know what that means what's that that's what i think you should leave i think you should leave oh yeah it's funny yeah the more you explain it the funnier it is tell us like scene like beat for beat the entire sketch it's like when you go to flip an egg and then like half of it ends on the stove itself oh yeah yeah you know what evan i think think and correct me if i'm wrong i think you're just here for the zipline
01:17:47
Speaker
So this movie opens on ah zi baba April 15th in the year of our Lord, 2005.
Box Office and Cultural Anecdotes
01:17:57
Speaker
I've got the daily chart. Let me get the the annual chart here. Bear with me one second while I do this. Vamping, vamping, vamping. Tucker, maybe edit some of this out.
01:18:08
Speaker
Damn it. I was getting a beer because I thought you were going to talk and no I have to talk. Damn it, Steven. I'm just. What do you even doing? You don't have the numbers up, dude. come I have the numbers up. I just had the daily chart, not the weekend chart. This movie opens at number one that on April 15th in the year of our Lord 2005.
01:18:26
Speaker
It is the only new release in the top 10. I feel like it's one of only a couple movies opening new this week. And if I may comment, um and they did it did get number one that week, but it's a real shitty number one.
01:18:42
Speaker
Like, it say it's a below 30 million. If you're number one you're below 30 million, i don't care if you're a January. 23.5. I don't care if you're in February. Like, that's bad.
01:18:53
Speaker
Yeah, but this is was there a lot of heat in the box office that that weekend? or what Oh, Evan, no buckle up. At number two future episode of this podcast, Matthew McConaughey, Steve Zahn, Penelope Cruz in a Clive Kussler film or a movie based on a Clive Kussler novel. it Sahara?
01:19:14
Speaker
It is. Never saw it. Wow. Wow. I saw, okay. Something i would have no interest in I saw this with an ex-girlfriend. They put a bunch of money behind promos and shit for that movie, I remember. I know. I remember being really annoyed by them.
01:19:29
Speaker
I saw this with an ex-girlfriend's family and they were incredibly like more religious even than I was growing up. Like they had that thing that edited out like anything remotely sexual or any kind of language. So anytime there was something or like violence or anything, time there was something vaguely objectionable on the screen, it would like switch to pictures of flowers. Right.
01:19:51
Speaker
Or like puppy girl. Or something. like puppies too. like So we'd be sitting there watching the movie and all of a sudden there'd be flowers. And like one of her parents would go, oh Steven, if i I don't know how much you know about these devices, but if I got one, ah would I be able to tweak it to where it just like does that for sex scenes that go on for too long and are way too gratuitous for the context of the story?
01:20:19
Speaker
And it would just be flowers? I don't know. Because I do like flowers. It's like flowers. Here's the thing. It wasn't my device and I never had to program it. Oh, gotcha. Yeah.
01:20:30
Speaker
So I wouldn't know. i could I could probably ask her. Yeah, get get on that for me, Stephen, because I'm going to probably want to get that. Because I watched Honey Don't the other night, and I'm like, this is great. like It's nice to finally like finally see these famous breasts that I've wondered about over the years.
01:20:50
Speaker
But at the same time, do I need to see them so much? Yes, and in fact, more. How does that serve the story? Ethan Coen.
01:21:00
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At number three at the box office, it's Drew Barrymore. It's Jimmy Fallon. It's the Boston Red Sox. Fever pitch. Fever pitch. There it is. Fever hit movie,
01:21:12
Speaker
Oh, he loves that movie. That is holding steady at number three at second weekend. are we gonna do Is that on our list? Can we have Jimmy on for that one? Because he loves that movie, Stephen. Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
01:21:29
Speaker
He owns that movie, Stephen. It has watched it multiple times. I was going to say, I've never seen it, and so I can only assume that anyone who has seen it has seen it multiple times and loves it. so It's like standard mid-2000s rom-com. And, you know, it's, you know.
01:21:47
Speaker
it scratches an itch, I've heard. Yeah, I had it because, like... It scratches a pitch? Eh? Eh? We had it in our household because my dad was crazy about baseball.
01:22:01
Speaker
And so we were a baseball family. So, like, basically any movie... That like crosses radar that had anything to do with baseball. And especially if it had like that as like one of the main points in it. It's okay. We're getting, that we're getting that DVD, dude.
01:22:16
Speaker
Okay. That makes sense. In fourth place, a movie I saw type in theaters. Yeah. ah Robert Rodriguez. And frank speaking of Frank Miller, Sin City. Wow. Damn. Yeah.
01:22:31
Speaker
Damn. That's down from number two in its third weekend. Sweet. ah At number four, it's Bernie Mac. It's Ashton Kutcher. It's a remake of a 60s film. It's Guess Who?
01:22:45
Speaker
Golly, dude, bro. It's Sidney Poitier in the original, right? Sidney Poitier and I think Tracy and Hepburn and Tracy. Yeah. It's the the race grace swapped one. Yeah.
01:22:57
Speaker
Yeah. um What a good idea for like a remake and to do a race swap and then to just waste it. On those two. and Well, not Bernie Mac rules, but Ashton Kutcher. Yeah. I mean, Ashton Kutcher has his moments too. I mean, have you seen the butterfly effect? They're very few far between.
01:23:13
Speaker
Very few and far between. Yes, have. don't care for that movie. The MF and butterfly effect, Steven. Ooh-wee. Ooh-wee. Ethan Subley in that motherfucker. At six and seven, we've got a couple future episodes of this podcast. At six, we've got Beauty Shoppe.
01:23:30
Speaker
And at seven, we've got Robits. DreamWorks Robits. So, so ah beauty shop. Very excited to talk to you about that at some point. um Though you, I think you need to see both of the barbershops as well. it means I've seen the first barbershop. Okay. Okay. Well, that's probably enough, but Robits.
01:23:51
Speaker
I always kind of meant to see because the Robin Williams of it all, but now I have to see it because Robits is if I ever want to talk to someone who's like Gen Z or Gen Alpha about Tom Waits and they're like, who's Tom Waits?
01:24:05
Speaker
I just bring up Robits and they know exactly who I'm talking about. I see Mystery Men is always my go to, but no one's seen Mystery Men. So. Or I just start singing like Ruby's arms are down in the hole. I'm like, you you see The Wire?
01:24:18
Speaker
He's the guy that wrote the theme song for The Wire. Yeah, that's true. When you walk through the garden! I love Tom Waits. Fucking love that He's also in Wrist Cutters. He's really good in that. Oh, I haven't seen that.
01:24:29
Speaker
Oh, you should. It's got Patrick Fugit in it. And Shannon Strawson. The girl from Rules of Attraction. And One Missed Call. And she's also in 40 Days and 40 Nights, right?
01:24:42
Speaker
oh Yeah, that's that bitch. Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry, Shannon. You not a bitch. My bad. that ah ready in eight In eighth place, we've got Miss Congeniality 2, armed and fabulous.
01:24:54
Speaker
Is William Shatner in that one, too? I'm pretty sure he is. Yeah, I think everybody comes back for that one. Plus, we get we get Regina King in there, too. And what a hoot. I will defend both of those movies. Are they great? No, but gosh, they're a good time, and they sure are funny.
01:25:10
Speaker
ah You're listing off a bunch of movies that I remember seeing in theaters. I definitely saw Robits. Yeah. of it My mom drug me to see Miss Congeniality 2. Oh, yeah. that was it that was ah Most of these were DVD or basic cable watches for me.
01:25:28
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ah speaking of basic Speaking of DVD and basic cable, because I watched it on both, at number nine, it's Vin Diesel and Lauren Graham in The Pacifier.
01:25:39
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Golly, dude. Walt Disney's The Pacifier. haven't seen that one yet. You haven't seen The Pacifier? Oh, Tucker. I feel like you would get a kick out of The Pacifier. I feel like you would enjoy that.
01:25:53
Speaker
I do like a good Vin Diesel movie. And it's like him trying to do... It was that period where he's doing The Pacifier, The Rock is doing The Lowdown. Wait, did Sidney Lumet direct The Pacifier as well?
01:26:05
Speaker
No. Okay, just the other... Yeah, just find me guilty. No, the pacifier was directed by someone named- Oh, that's the one where he's the babysitter, right? Yes, he's the nanny. so It's Brittany Snow was in there as well, Faith Ford, Carol Kane, Brad Garrett, like, good cast.
01:26:26
Speaker
that came out when I was in the military and when I was in the military, uh, most of my time, well, half of my time when I was in Germany was spent in dorm, a dorm building with other, you know, airmen, men, of similar age and, and women.
01:26:41
Speaker
But, um, Everybody was watching all the same shit. that's what That was before Family Guy got uncanceled and everybody had all the DVDs.
01:26:52
Speaker
like That was constantly being played everywhere. And shit like the Pacifier was also. And without a paddle. That's how I know so much about fucking without a paddle, whether I want to or not. It's because everybody was watching it.
01:27:05
Speaker
And that's the scene bits of Pacifier is what I'm getting director of the Pacifier is Adam Shankman, the man who gave us The Wedding Planner, a Walk to Remember, Bringing Down the House, Cheaper by the Dozen 2, Step Up, Hairspray, Bedtime Stories, Rock of Ages,
01:27:25
Speaker
hairspray bedtime stories ah rock of ages What Men Want, and most recently, Disenchanted, the sequel to the Disney film Enchanted.
01:27:42
Speaker
oh Cool. Well, bully for him, dude. And at number 10, we have The Upside of Anger. What if anger had an upside? The fuck is that? It's, you know, the upside of anger. What if anger had an upside, Tucker? Like, have you ever stopped to consider? guess. I never heard of this. It's Kevin Costner. Right. It's Kevin Costner. That's your guy. I hate that guy.
01:28:06
Speaker
fucking hate that guy. Stephen, that's your guy. No, thank you. Erica Christensen. The Untouchable, Stephen. The Untouchable. Kerry Russell. That's a Sean Connery movie. Kerry Russell, Evan Rachel Wood, Mike Bender, Joan Allen, Alicia Vett.
01:28:18
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um Good cast, other than, you know, Costner, but... man there you go you're a bad dude one day in i that one day what a weekend dude yeah yeah what a what a what a what a time ah the the tomatometer score for the 2005 amityville horror is a 23 percent a credit the critics consensus a so-so remake of a so-so original hey i that's fair that is fair yeah
01:28:49
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ah The meta score is a 33% based on generally unfavorable reviews from 31 critics. And at Tucker, out of five stars, how many do you think the Letterboxd community gave to the Amityville Horror?
01:29:07
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uh let's see calculate for memes take out all real reviews and only make jokes carry the two i'm gonna they're going to rate this between 2.3 2.8 2.6 well done fuck yes it there it is two point six well done sir fuck yes there it is there it is ah Evan, as our guest, out of five stars, how many are you going to give to the 2005 Amityville Horror?
01:29:40
Speaker
I'd say two. I mean, it's like sitting at like 40% out of 100 for me. Like, I think 30 is like a little low, but 35 to 40. You can say two and a half.
01:29:52
Speaker
Two and a half is an option. Yeah, two and a half is a little. That's 50% and now we're at the stretch. I was going to say, that's that's a little high. Two and a quarter is also acceptable. yeah like Yeah, I think that's the max.
01:30:03
Speaker
um Because everybody... It seems like everybody tried really hard, though. ah But... Y'all looked like you were having a lot of fun out there. Yeah, yeah.
01:30:15
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ah So, yeah, I mean, it's it's lukewarm. I mean... There's nothing really memorable about it. And that's like kind of the paradox of, like... um I almost said cover movies, but you know what i mean? Same thing. Yeah, same thing.
01:30:32
Speaker
Six of one. Yeah. Tucker, how about yourself? This is going to be a three for me. I think that it is an above average film.
01:30:42
Speaker
I think for the time it came out, it is an above average remake of this type. um I'm never bored.
01:30:54
Speaker
It's not great, but I'm always engaged. I'm usually having a good time. And the stuff that I don't like isn't really that bad. So that's a three for me.
01:31:07
Speaker
All right. um i it For me, it's it's a two. It's going to be a two for me as well. Fair, fair, fair. Yeah, it's it doesn't doesn't you know hit the it doesn't quite get too fine. and like I feel like it's an objectively it's objectively a two.
01:31:24
Speaker
Yeah. But I think some people are going to get a three out of it, and I'm one of those people. Yeah, and that's fair. yeah no no fault No fault there. can't Can't really fault your logic there. But yeah, it's just it's not hitting that for me.
01:31:35
Speaker
Okay. yeah yeah And so that kind of gives us a 2.3 average amongst the three of us. So, you know, we'll we'll put that on Letterboxd. take that. live I think that's more than fair.
01:31:46
Speaker
Yeah, for sure. So there it is.
Podcast Ratings and Music Projects
01:31:49
Speaker
And that is our episode on the Amityville Horror from 2005. Evan, thanks so much for joining us. I love being here.
01:31:58
Speaker
love seeing boys. love having you. Absolutely. We love having you anytime, man. And anytime you can think of something you want to cover that fits the format, even if it doesn't, just let us know. Yeah. And we'll we'll have you back whenever, man. ah But as I understand it ah grand bu voodoo band has got has got something something out or coming out tell us tell us a little bit about what you got going on right now yeah the the long-awaited family fuck don't rub it in bro the long-awaited sequel album citrus nights came out on september 19th and hell yeah ah it was it was a
01:32:36
Speaker
It was a good time making it, but it also kind of drove me insane at a certain point because it's one of those things where it's like um you don't know how little you know until you are presented with that. So it was just sort of like, ah ah we got we got to do this and now i I guess I'm just going to do my best.
01:32:57
Speaker
um but yeah the the album came out it's got 11 tracks uh it contains um the three singles that came out last year um but those are also remastered and remixed um i got it mastered by um my friend greg from deer hoof um if you guys know that band at all and um oh yeah yeah he was able to put the uh final sort of polish on top of it and um Yeah, and it's out it's out everywhere. If you want to hit it up on Bandcamp and support me directly, that would be mad appreached.
01:33:36
Speaker
But, you know, i I just want people to be able to listen to it and absorb it and just kind of be, maybe just put the headphones on and drift off for about 40 minutes.
01:33:46
Speaker
Please do. And may I tell you, as someone who has heard this record in its various different forms and many times as a finished product, I would say that you can listen to this anytime and appreciate it and have a good time.
01:34:01
Speaker
But to really get the full effect of Citrus Nights, you should start it right as the sun is starting to go down. That is the idea. He's not wrong.
01:34:12
Speaker
And then i had no idea. but And then you kind of ride it into the darkness. that's that That's sort of the concept of it all. so it's Him and I, we talk all the time, and I've been sending him music. I didn't put him up to that. he He doesn't know that. So that's sick. ah And yeah, I also want to say that um three of the tracks on that album were adopted from Tucker and my time in the Dismantelopes.
01:34:34
Speaker
ah Oh, yeah, i helped on some of those. Yeah, bro. Like regression towards the mean. Hey, I saw that Britney was all like, oh, the slow is my favorite. And my friend made it.
01:34:47
Speaker
And I was like, aww, I kind of, that was a little bit my idea. I know you were busy but I had a radio interview today with Downtown Radio Tucson. Oh, you told me, but it's the basement place.
01:35:01
Speaker
Well, the DJ place hit, yeah, the basement place. The DJ hit me up last minute last night, and um so I went in, and she I was under the impression we were doing like two or three songs. I'd chat about it and bounce after like 30 minutes, and As I was driving in, I had the radio station on the car And she was like, oh, yeah, like Evan from Grand Voodoo Band is going to be here and we're going to be going track by track through the album. and ah Oh, that's awesome.
01:35:28
Speaker
Yo, is that anywhere or was it only live? I don't know. We'll see if it's archived. but I was going to say, if it's archived, send us the link and we'll it in the show notes. But I bring it up because um I had to shout you out so many times. If you mention me, I definitely want to hear. I love things that involve me. Your ears weren't burning, bro.
01:35:47
Speaker
I gave you nice shout-out, and I went into great detail about how you came to me with those chords... Which also gets back to, you said something earlier about how you think you made something up and then it turns out that somebody else already had that idea. Like, you're like, I think I made up this, like, mystical, like, chord and it's just like an E minor 7. But, like, we didn't know. Wait, we didn't know. It's a standard Jitsch chord. It's like the bar chord with the little triangle in it. That's sick, bro.
01:36:20
Speaker
Yeah. I had a friend who thought he wrote Sweet Home Alabama. He's like, listen to this. And he played And my buddy's like, oh, Sweet Home Alabama. And he's like, oh. Oh, Werewolves to London? Get this, Steven.
01:36:31
Speaker
Tucker and my first band together was ah called Clover May. Clover May. yeah And I worked my ass off on this tune. And it oh the riffs were so sick. And I finally came to him with it like in my hands being like, check this out. And I played it.
01:36:48
Speaker
And he just sat there and I was like, so what do you think? And he was like, bro, that main riff is literally note for note Iron Man. It's straight up Iron Man. Yeah, is it's just the the rhythm was a little off, but he's like literally every single note you're playing.
01:37:09
Speaker
and the king Oh, but me made it worse. Cosmic Offering is what that song was called. And you can go on YouTube, not to jump ahead, but if you go to youtube.com slash ice 909, I-C-E-N-I-N-E, the number zero and the number nine, you can hear...
01:37:25
Speaker
the grand Not the Grand Voodoo Band. No, not quite. The Clover May recording of Cosmic Offering with Jimmy playing guitar and singing and your boy, the Letter Tucker, playing drums all over that place. I am going to 100% put that in the show notes. That is a thing that's happen. Please Yes, link to it. Do need the link, Steven? I'm looking for it now. It's called Cosmic Offering.
01:37:51
Speaker
Yeah. I'm going through your solo stuff right now. We're going to keep scrolling. I um i already passed some slow-mo sexual stuff. We're into Ninja Pirates now. Clover May. Here we go. there go Here we go.
01:38:05
Speaker
Cosmic Offering. Here we go. There it is. Yes. This is going in the show notes. Let public hear that because it is a banger and a half. Yeah, dude. Summer 2013, boy. You're literally banging the heck out of those drums, dude.
01:38:18
Speaker
Boy, that's probably the best summer of my life, Jimmy. I'll tell you what. Oh, that that that mon album drops. We found we found that positive of K record at the thrift store. You were having your like cardigans renaissance. but Every year. He does that annually at this point. This was like the first. This was the big one. This was like the first reexamination. Bro.
01:38:42
Speaker
Like, yeah, it was the thing that really started the fire. hmm. And it really hasn't gone out since. I kind of thought, too, it would be like a fad. But no, he held on to that one tighter than I thought.
01:38:55
Speaker
But anyway, so yeah, the slow, regression towards the mean, and Ghost in the Feel are all... Those were all Dismantelope's tunes that ended up getting adopted into the grand voodoo band discography. And it's...
01:39:09
Speaker
It's worth mentioning that Maggie Maggie was rejected from the Dismantelopes. I didn't know that. No, it was rejected. Well, and I discussed that. why I texted you about that the other day when I was telling you how much I like the version that's on the record.
01:39:24
Speaker
I didn't know that. i never I never liked that song. You tried to make it a Dismantelopes song and like, I just didn't like it. I just straight up didn't like it. Like I didn't get it And so it never became a dismantle of song. We we tried it like a couple times and then you put out the the version on the record and like I finally get it.
01:39:42
Speaker
hey It's finally good I've always hated like it was like your worst song to me until and until you did the version for the record. And like I get it now. It makes sense. Yeah, I like it. Yep.
01:39:56
Speaker
I told you. I know, dude, I know. am i okay glo Write this down, record this, or like take a picture or whatever, but I will say this. You won't hear this much, but I will say when it's necessary, I was wrong.
01:40:10
Speaker
Thank you. Yep. God, can we could we but like distill that? and i go like I was going to say, we need to isolate that and make and make that a sound clip like Brett's fucking stupid. I want that in a bottle on my fridge, bro.
01:40:25
Speaker
Yeah, we need we need fucking stupid and we need I was wrong. And then you need to sample that in every song on your next album, Evan.
01:40:35
Speaker
um But yeah, anyway, I'd really appreciate it if ah the the good folks who support this podcast would take about 40 minutes and and check that album out for me and You know, and Tucker had such a big part of it, too. So if you like everything he's done, I mean, he was like the, uh... He was like the Jerry Garcia to the Jefferson Airplane.
01:40:56
Speaker
For Surrealistic Pillow. You know, he was he's literally listed on the back as, like, a spiritual guru or advisor or whatever. And, you know, I mean, lot of these songs were literally, I mean, constantly almost bounced off of Tucker. So... Kudos to you. i appreciate you, bro.
01:41:14
Speaker
And, uh... I can't wait to make some more music with you now that you're you're a little bit more accessible to your boy.
01:41:24
Speaker
yeah and Yeah, dude. yeah um so yeah so yeah That's all I got to say about that, I guess. I don't so where where We can find that on the SoundClouds and on every major streaming service.
01:41:37
Speaker
I know it's on YouTube Music, which is my streaming service. since It's on Spotify. It's on all of them. ah and But yeah, I'd prefer if people are able to listen to it on Bandcamp and support me there.
01:41:50
Speaker
I will only link to Bandcamp in the show notes. Is there merch? Do we have merch? We're working on it. I want to get new t-shirt designs and maybe and maybe some media physical Maybe, I don't know, just throwing it out there. Maybe a vinyl. Maybe vinyl.
01:42:06
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, maybe I'll like have to like pay you to help me do that or something. I was going to say, you'd you'd sell at least one. know. Hello. yeah I will be getting my record player back soon, so maybe two. hell yeah, bro.
01:42:23
Speaker
Okay, alright. It's a healthy 42 minutes, so it should be able to like fit right on two sides thick and also sound perfectly good, too. It's not going to get too close to the center, you know? The quality kind of degrades.
01:42:37
Speaker
it's It's not like dance music or anything to where the grooves are gigantic and it takes up you know huge swaths of you know the the plastic. Yeah. Yeah, and if you have a ah needle that's not weighted, it's not going to skip over the big bass lines, because Jimmy doesn't make music that's going to rattle your trunk if you have a 12-inch subwoofer.
01:42:56
Speaker
Maybe someday. Which, you know, until I moved back to Indianapolis, I didn't realize was still a thing. bro. Get with the times. Ah, we love the Midwest, don't we? Where are you on social media, the letter Jimmy?
01:43:11
Speaker
Oh, yeah. um I'm at at Grand Voodoo Band ah for the music. And you can also follow my personal atd at... Wow, it's Evan Wilson.
01:43:22
Speaker
um On Instagram as well. ah Grand Voodoo is also on TikToks. Got music videos on the YouTubes. Um... Yeah.
01:43:34
Speaker
ah My big thing is ah if you really want to get immersed, to put some headphones on to this music and turn it up. Yes. Yes. for the life low Lay back. You know, I will say that it yeah the point gets across if you're listening to it on your phone speaker or like on a small Bluetooth speaker or whatever.
01:43:53
Speaker
But if you have a pair of decent headphones that that's when you're going to get like the director's cut, like. Because even even I've listened to it in various forms on various different speakers.
01:44:05
Speaker
And the headphones is where I noticed the little things that I appreciate the most. Just the little tiny audio touches that like you only really get when it's directly into your ear.
01:44:17
Speaker
Like I'm saying, still a 10 out of 10 record if you're listening to it all even on your phone speaker. But if you want that director's cut, damn near director's commentary get it with the head. I feel like it would it would sound just fine mono, but you know, yeah, for sure. For sure. I'm just saying, you did put a lot of, yeah, you put a lot of work into making an atmosphere there and it is best represented if you have some decent headphones.
01:44:42
Speaker
Thank you. Indeed.
01:44:46
Speaker
And as for this podcast, we this has been the
Podcast Promotion and Personal Projects
01:44:50
Speaker
Disenfranchised Podcast. You can find us on three social networks and three only. We're on Letterboxd. We're on Blue Sky. We're on YouTube at DisenfranchPod.
01:44:59
Speaker
Shoot us an email, disenfranchpod at gmail.com. Let us know how we're doing. Let us know if there's any films you would like to see us cover. Make sure they fit the format, though, because otherwise we probably won't cover them.
01:45:11
Speaker
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01:45:30
Speaker
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01:45:43
Speaker
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01:46:08
Speaker
That's patreon.com slash disenfranchpod.com. ah Also, there's one other thing I wanted to talk about. Oh, yeah. ah Spotify, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts, leave us a nice juicy five-star rating and review so that people like us can find more people like you to listen to shows like this.
01:46:27
Speaker
um i am your host, Stephen Foxworthy. You can find me on... ah What am I on? Blue Sky and Letterboxd. Not Instagram. Don't find me on Instagram. on Blue Sky and Letterboxd.
01:46:38
Speaker
You put up a thing on Instagram the other day. Like two weeks ago, I put up a picture of myself in costume backstage. Yeah. So. yeah And that's. Mugs liked it.
01:46:50
Speaker
I didn't. But Tuck Mugs did. I know. Don't think I didn't notice. Shout out Tuck Mugs. Send in a message, Steven. Send in a message.
01:47:01
Speaker
And it was received loud and clear. I don't even know what that message I don't either. was message. It was. Sure was. Um. The, uh, what else? Um, yeah. Don't find Brett on social media though. He doesn't like it when you do that. Oh, and listen to my other podcast, Wells university with friend of the show, uh, hope stow, where we talk about the life and work of the great Orson Wells. Uh, we've got a new episode dropping just a couple days ago as of the release of this.
01:47:28
Speaker
Probably late in the day. Where we do, but still on that day, a news report, uh, basically about, uh, Wells ephemera that has been recently in the news, including the,
01:47:41
Speaker
AI Magnificent Ambersons, which the news about that dropped like a day after we recorded our episode on Hearts of Age. So we ah hope and I weigh in on that. We may be very inebriated while discussing that. And I may not remember half that conversation.
01:47:58
Speaker
um But we were very upset. um So check that out wherever you get your podcasts, all the usual stuff for that as well. ah Don't find Brett on social media. He really hates it when you do that. ah Tucker, where can we find you?
01:48:11
Speaker
Also, Steven, you've written books. I have. Talk about that for a moment. written I've written book. I've co-written book.
01:48:22
Speaker
No, you had that kid's book done. about the i mean, the that that was a short story more than it was a book um called Henry Jacobs and the Three Nasty Nose Pickers. And then the i co-wrote a novel with my partner, Mandy Gossage, about it's called Check In, Check Out. It's like the Hunger Games with 20-somethings in a hotel.
01:48:43
Speaker
I'm going to read it real soon. that It's very good. It's very goofy. It's very fun. And then ah Tucker and I were also in a film that's getting released ah later this month. It's actually already on sale at endless elsewhere.com.
01:48:59
Speaker
It's a little film called circle city supernatural. It's, to know oh It's the sequel. We're actually, as two days from the release of this recording, it will be having its premiere in Greenfield, Indiana. What's the name of the theater? It's like the... It's RJH Center for the Arts. Rick Center for the Arts or something like that. Arts Greenfield. It's okay.
01:49:27
Speaker
Look, if you've been to Greenfield, just find the Lincoln Square Pancake House, and it's in the same building. It's right next door. Sunny, Greenfield, Indiana! Tucker and I will likely be getting at least one meal together at that place. Because I'm going be there all day, so I'm planning on lunch and dinner Lincoln Square. I know. Tell me what time I need to get there Sunday afternoon to have lunch with you, and I will be there.
01:49:49
Speaker
ah What time does it start? 3.30 or 3? three i don't know, man. I'm just planning on showing up sometime in the afternoon. Start probably 2 o'clock. I'll be at Lincoln Square having a cup of coffee waiting for you, Steven.
01:50:01
Speaker
and Okay. That's Indiana and time, by the way. Then I'll get my ass there at one 30 and I'll be waiting for you. Fucking fucking a, and it's Sunday. So we're going to have, we're going to have to be waiting through the, uh, we're going have to be waiting through the after church crowd, which is going to be great. Now, should we, should we come like extra, extra early so that I don't want to sit there all day, but like not have to wait for a seat.
01:50:28
Speaker
I don't want to fucking get up at 530 in the morning on a Saturday to drive my ass from the South. And then yeah you lose an hour. Well, you gain an hour, actually. because you're gain an hour.
01:50:40
Speaker
Yeah, i lose I lose one coming back. That's true. Yeah. That's true.
01:50:48
Speaker
But yeah. No, I lose an hour coming. I gain an hour going. There you go. Yeah. yeah um so anyway but yes tucker and i will both be there but yeah uh we i wanted to talk about that and then uh we'll yeah yeah do your socials now do him now do tucker now and go i won't be doing that steven go now i totally will be doing that um I'm on Instagram and YouTube as per the use at ice 909. That's I C E N I N E the number zero and the number nine.
01:51:26
Speaker
Also on Instagram is tuck mugs, tuck underscore mugs. That's a place on the internet where no matter who you are and what your opinions are, you can come and just like enjoy some mugs.
01:51:43
Speaker
All we're going to talk about is mugs. All we're going to talk about is what's in the mugs. Tuck mugs is what's going to bring this country together. It's true. um Okay.
01:51:55
Speaker
Because look, if you're some MAGA idiot, that's fine. you You can come check out tuck mugs, but just keep it about the mugs and what's in the mugs, you know?
01:52:06
Speaker
We got to find common ground. We have to find common ground. Everybody loves mugs and everybody loves things like liquids that are in mugs, whatever liquid that may be. I literally drink liquids every day. i can physically can't get enough.
01:52:20
Speaker
I've been drinking liquids through this entire podcast. um My entire life, really. This is how we heal this country is we come together on something that is that you just can't disagree on.
01:52:31
Speaker
Right. You can't disagree on mugs. You can't disagree with drinking liquids from mugs. Come to tuck mugs, tuck underscore mugs on Instagram and get away from the politics, ah the social politics. Get away from all of that and just let's look at some mugs, man. Yeah, I'm sick of the all these political mug stuff.
01:52:51
Speaker
Instagram channels that have I know I'm the only one that's truly like not affiliated with anything though I am like super progressive in real life but like my page it's just mugs you're affiliated with having a good time in the morning drinking stuff out of mugs that's the only affiliation I have on tuck mugs drinking shit out of mugs yep or other glassware to be honest maybe a pint glass it might be a shot glass and maybe something in between that you've never even fucking seen Yeah, maybe break in the format. You never know, dude.
01:53:24
Speaker
Yeah. You never know. i I once posted a tiki mug. That's true. He did. It's there. If you want to see the tiki mug that Steven is talking about, um you can go to tuckmugs, tuck underscore mugs on Instagram. I'm telling you, tuckmugs, we get enough momentum.
01:53:42
Speaker
We save this country. That's all I'm saying. And maybe big deal maybe the world. Yeah, for sure. One mug at a time. That's it. That's it. That's the dream.
01:53:53
Speaker
yeah And that has been our episode on the 2005 classic. I mean, the Amityville horror. It's pretty. All right.
01:54:04
Speaker
I put it in air quotes. It's okay. It's, it's something it's a thing. It's definitely a movie as, as Brett used to say, not offended by it at all. I mean, not much.
01:54:18
Speaker
whatever it's fine yeah the roof is okay the roof scene the first roof scene was it was pretty good guy it's got Philip Baker Hall there's some stuff happening there that's cool yeah I think the the jump scare where Ryan Reynolds sees himself in that like tub area was also its pretty decent that's pretty I think that was the highlight of the scares for me yeah as far as the jump scares goes yeah yeah yeah you credit where credit's due guys if I want to leave guys with one line that I have here on my notes and quotations. Please.
01:54:53
Speaker
Yes, please.
01:54:58
Speaker
and She's dead. She's supposed to be dead.
01:55:04
Speaker
Yeah. Fuck. That's great. Wow. Yeah. That's great. I love it. And that boy is our episode. for. four our very special guest, Evan Wilson, for the very absent Brett Wright, for the very present Tucker, and for me, your host, Stephen Foxworthy.
01:55:23
Speaker
Until next time, out!
01:55:31
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I am the guy with the button! Yeah, you have to do it this time. I'm waiting for Stephen to end I'm waiting for Stephen end this shit.
01:55:43
Speaker
I ain't ending shit.
01:55:47
Speaker
oh And theme song.