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248 - Run Ronnie Run! (2002)
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“I want my money back. And I want angels to give it to me… and pixies to count it out… and a gnome or a hobbit or an elf to sleep at the foot of my bed, and have - I just want them all over my backyard. But no matter what happens with any of that, I DO want my money back!”
Our Sketch-tember theme month comes to a close as we chat about a quintessentially Tucker movie inspired by a recurring “Mr. Show” sketch and, along the way, discuss our favorite types of cake, our thoughts on John Kricfalusi and the art he inspired, and the storied career of David ‘Dave’ Koechner!
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Introduction to the Podcast
00:00:22
Speaker
The podcast you're about to listen to is not real. It's podcast. Do not act things out from it because you're disturbed or pissed off, you crazy sons of bitches. Because this is the Disenfranchised Podcast, where that podcast all about those franchises of one, those films that fancy themselves full-fledged franchises before falling flat on their face after the first film.
00:00:42
Speaker
I'm your host, Stephen Foxworthy, and joining me, as always, a man who's a little drunk his own self. It's Tucker. Hey, Tucker. Hey, fucked up dog. I'm sorry. Hey, Steven.
00:00:56
Speaker
How's it I've been called worse by better, so sure. We'll take it. Eat that vomit, Steven. vomit. stephen eat that vomit Every time I have to puke, Tucker. Every time I have to puke. Nice.
00:01:08
Speaker
Doing well to answer your question. I do want to just point out ah our our good friend and co-host Brett Wright will not be joining us for this episode. um pray Pray for Brett. He's come down with a ah really rough case of entitalitis and it's it's just it's doing a number on him. So just again, thoughts and prayers with Brett. We love you, buddy.
00:01:29
Speaker
um hope you Hope you get back here real soon.
Discussing 'Run, Ronnie, Run'
00:01:31
Speaker
um In the meantime, Tucker, we are winding Sketch Timber down, and I think, if I'm not mistaken, and I could be wrong, but I don't think I am, this is the entire reason you wanted to do Sketch Timber. Am I wrong?
00:01:46
Speaker
I don't think you're wrong. If I had to guess, this is probably what the the linchpin really... Because ah I'm interested in sketch comedy anyway.
00:01:57
Speaker
But Run, Ronnie, Run is, though we have not mentioned that that's what we watched. it's Spoilers, we love Run, Ronnie, Run. No, less work, less work.
00:02:08
Speaker
um it's It's probably one of my favorite underseen movies of all time. Okay. That is right. from From the year of our Lord, 2002, we watched a little film called Run, Ronnie Run, directed by Troy Miller, written by David Cross, Bob Odenkirk. Yes, that Bob Odenkirk.
00:02:29
Speaker
Scott Aukerman, BJ Porter, and Brian Posehn. And starring... Gotta brace myself here, because this is going to be quite a run. David Cross, Bob Odenkirk, Nikki Cox, Arlie Ermey, MC Ganey, David... David...
00:02:45
Speaker
David Dave Koechner, Jill Talley, EJ De La Pena, Tommy Kent or Tom Kenny, not Tommy, Tom Kenny, ah Sully McCullough, Becky Tire.
00:02:56
Speaker
Also, Paul F. Tompkins, Brett Paisle, Brian Posain, Patton Oswalt, Sarah Silverman, Jack Black, Marilyn Reichkobb. ah John Ennis, Scott Adsit, Scott Aukerman, Dave Foley, Andy Richter, Jeff Garland, Laura Keitlinger, Patrick Warburton, Doug Benson, Dave Badiel, Marwina Banks, Rhoda Griffiths, Trey Parker, Matt Stone, Ben Stiller, John Stamos, Rebecca Romijn, Gary Shandling, Scott Ian, Kathy Griffin, Scott Thompson, Mandy Patinkin, and motherfucking Jeff Goldblum.
00:03:30
Speaker
What a cast, and dare I say it, Tucker. What a picture. Gosh, what a picture. Despite, just despite itself too, because and like Bob and David hate this movie basically because they didn't get to do what they wanted, but somehow, some way it's still just amazing. And I don't know. I don't, I don't know.
00:03:53
Speaker
Since you said that all so fast, did you mention the two actors from last week's movie, Dave Foley and Scott Thompson were also in this I i Yes, I did mention both Dave toley dave Foley and Scott Thompson.
00:04:06
Speaker
ah a Sorry, Tucker, I'm a little bit drunk my own self. Okay, I really, I think Scott Thompson was born to play the role that he played, and I love when they tell him to go back into the closet, and he starts hitting on those gals, like, hey, ladies.
00:04:22
Speaker
So ah today I learned that Scott Thompson is gay. You didn't know it? you did' Are you kidding? No, I had no idea. Okay. All right. ah He's the Graham Chapman of the group.
00:04:35
Speaker
Yeah. He's the spiritual successor to Graham Chapman. Had I known that last week, I feel like last week's episode might have shaken out a little different Would have made it. Wow. Yes.
00:04:45
Speaker
yeah I just assumed you knew that. Everybody knows Thompson's gay. Everybody. well but But again, as mentioned last week, my familiarity with kids in the hall, not strong. So...
Personal Reflections on Comedy Influences
00:05:01
Speaker
Change for a dollar, change for a dollar, change for a dollar.
00:05:10
Speaker
I got to call my boss.
00:05:15
Speaker
That's my favorite Mr. Show sketch, and it leads into the first Ronnie Dobbs sketch ever. It does. And so yeah as I was mentioning to you before we hit record on this, You basically required that I rewatch the first episode of Mr. Show.
00:05:29
Speaker
um Fortunately, i do have an HBO Max subscription for now. ah You know, if they decide to threaten our free speech, I may not anymore. um If they start, you know, wholesale supporting fascism like some other companies are right now, then maybe I won't have one much longer. But for now, I do.
00:05:47
Speaker
And so I watched it on my lunch break yesterday. And then with the rest of my lunch break, I decided to watch another of my favorite episodes of Mr. Show ah featuring my favorite Mr. Show sketch, which was the... um the thrilling miracles with the pan, the super pan. I love that sketch so much.
00:06:09
Speaker
And as, and it I was delighted, Tucker, absolutely delighted to see thrilling miracles make an appearance in this film. Absolutely delighted. and
00:06:22
Speaker
Yes, indeed. I suggested you watch that first episode because it it's kind of the blueprint For this film outside of a few scenes that that show up in later Ronnie Dobbs sketches. One, the one that I sent you that you didn't get to was the version of the musical where David Cross sings and David Cross can sing.
00:06:42
Speaker
And so he's he is he is Ronnie Dobbs. He's doing his Ronnie Dobbs thing. And then he gets up to the microphone and he sings it in like an opera singing voice. Which, I mean, the reveal of Mandy Patinkin naked on the stage singing is... oh my Just the fact that they even got him in this film and the fact that he gave it that much, even the dialogue that he had, like, I believed it. Like, I'm like, yeah, he probably should be naked. You're right.
00:07:10
Speaker
He's like, i I think, I think he should be naked. He's like, it so it's ah it's that naked to portray the truth of the scene. He's like, let's try it your way. And then then, and then as you pan back over, he's just starting to sing again, sitting on the stage with his legs kind of crossed in a way to obscure his, his wang.
00:07:26
Speaker
Bare ass naked. Yeah. it Amazing. um and And the fact that you can get Mandy Patinkin just to come in and do that is amazing. Honestly, this this cast is...
00:07:42
Speaker
among the more stacked casts in comedy that I've seen in recent years. I think the pool scene at from the, um, from weird, the Al Yankovic story ah might might, you know, come close, but I'd still think this takes its lunch because in this one, mostly it's a bunch of people before they made it, including really David Cross and Bob Odenkirk.
00:08:06
Speaker
Tell me to go fuck myself, Steven.
00:08:10
Speaker
I don't know. Is it your birthday, Tucker? No, it's my grandma's birthday. You want to tell her? Okay, bitch. She's like 94. I'll let her know. Wait, where's the guacamole? Let me pour that over her head.
00:08:25
Speaker
She'd love that. And then push her into the pool. um So, yeah, i this was one of the movies. This is a movie that I just passed in the store, in the video store constantly when I was a kid.
00:08:37
Speaker
And I recognize David Cross from i think mostly I think Men in Black might have been the first thing that I saw him in. Which, if I may just briefly interrupt, I'm pretty sure his character in Men in Black is just basically supposed to be the first character he plays in the change sketch.
00:08:55
Speaker
The clerk with the glasses and the hat. He's just that guy in Men in Black. He's the guy from the change sketch yeah in Men in Black. Thank you. Thank you for making sure the bell works.
00:09:06
Speaker
i I feel like his character in Men in Black is a little more acerbic, but you know it's it's a lateral move. Yeah. Yeah. And also, generally speaking, more verbose and loquacious. But yeah. um But yeah, so i i knew David Cross mostly from that. But then again, as I got a little older, Arrested Development, stuff like that, like David Cross became a fixture. And then I got it into his stand up a little bit, too.
00:09:31
Speaker
um Whereas Bob Odenkirk, I knew from Mr. Show. um Like Mr. Show, I think came out when I was in middle school. I remember like some of my friends who did have HBO telling me about it, ah particularly the super pan sketch. So I was very excited when I finally got to watch that one.
00:09:48
Speaker
ah But I did years later, eventually watch through Mr. Show. It's been a several years ago now, so I don't remember a lot of it. But I do remember having a really fun time with it and thinking it was really funny.
00:10:01
Speaker
Dude, yeah. um I would recommend if, like Steven, you are a fan of Mr. Show and you have not watched the the revival that was done about five, six years ago. i think was right before the pandemic, maybe 2019.
00:10:15
Speaker
It's just called With Bob and David because they couldn't get the rights to Mr. Show. Yes, Mr. Show. So it's just blank with Bob and David. it's Yeah, like asterisk with Bob and David. Yeah.
00:10:27
Speaker
Which is a great bit, honestly. Yeah. It premiered on Netflix, but I'm not sure where it is now. It's probably still there. I don't know because I don't live near. it's still I don't live in the same house as the person that I share a Netflix account with, which apparently is a problem now.
00:10:44
Speaker
I noticed when I tried to sign in the other day. Correct. You can, however, sign in from the app. The app will still let you sign in. And if you have like a a Chromecast or the ability to cast onto a television, now that should work.
00:10:56
Speaker
Nice. are we Are we telling our histories with this film, Stephen? is that Were you throwing that ball to me? Yeah, I was. This is the first time I've watched this film. It's one that I saw a lot, but never actually sat down with and watched until just this evening. And um I had a time.
00:11:13
Speaker
After you. Well, for me, this is similar to last week's ah film. Yeah. where i've I've been a fan of Mr. Show since the early 2000s when I was able to get the DVDs from Blockbuster. Because I'd always been interested in it.
00:11:30
Speaker
I'd always heard really cool things about it. And I've always been a sketch comedy dude. And I always wanted to watch it. So I rented all the DVDs from Blockbuster one at a time and watched them all and had a fantastic time. But it wasn't until I met my first wife that I even thought about watching Run, Ronnie, Run because much like Brain Candy, I heard it was not good.
00:11:55
Speaker
Right. So I avoided it. Then my ex-wife was like, nah, dude, check this out. And so we watched it and I fell in love with it. This feels, and I mentioned something to this effect before we started the recording, this episode feels like you saw it and it became your entire personality.
00:12:16
Speaker
Pretty much. I mean, yeah. Watching this movie, I'm like, this is Tucker. Like listening to Ronnie Dobbs talk in certain scenes in certain moments is like having a conversation with Tucker. I feel this feels very familiar to me.
00:12:32
Speaker
ah um yeah Yeah, I could see that. I think that was there before I saw it, but it just really it really kind of gave me something to anchor my personality to.
00:12:43
Speaker
Right, is yeah. right that means you know your your Your predilection for cut off, for t-shirts cut off of the sleeves. and Cut off shorts, too. I cut off my own shorts, you guys.
00:12:54
Speaker
I went to a party and I wore the Chino shorts tonight because went to a fancy party with bunch of fancy people. you know We had fancy drinks and fancy cake.
00:13:07
Speaker
Yeah, it was really good. okay I like cake, fancy or otherwise. think it's good. I don't know what cake it was. I'll take cheap cake Well, the gal whose birthday it was, she had made the cake.
00:13:19
Speaker
And I don't know what it was, but it kind of tasted like it was kind of coffee cake adjacent.
00:13:28
Speaker
But also it had walnuts in it, which I don't like walnuts in a cake. But the fact that they were so finely chopped, it didn't bother me. It's the crunching on them. It feels weird to crunch on a nut while you're eating cake.
00:13:40
Speaker
But they were so like it was they were diced so small that it didn't I didn't have to crunch them and crackle them and all that stuff. Tucker, I have a very serious question that I want to ask you right now. Sure. And I want to get it on mic for posterity.
00:13:53
Speaker
but A serious romanticized romanticize question? No, i just I just want to know your top three favorite kinds of cake. Now, I'm not really a fan of cake.
00:14:06
Speaker
So, um I mean, I don't dislike cake. Cake maybe my third or fourth favorite dessert, and I still have a top three. i'm glad I'm glad that you like it so much.
00:14:16
Speaker
I would say my favorite would be probably a coffee cake and then angel food and then ah probably carrot cake. I like carrot cake a lot. Carrot cake is great.
00:14:27
Speaker
I think it falls just outside of my top three. um But i love i love a good Tres Leches. It absolutely amazing. um the
00:14:43
Speaker
pineapple upside down. is another one that I really like. And no i think carrot cake might actually be my number three. No, I really, i really do love carrot cake. Um, so yeah, those are, those are my top three.
00:14:55
Speaker
Um, and yes, I do have top threes for most of my favorite kinds of desserts. Um, because this is, you know, when you're, when you, when you got the beat us, you, you gotta make every moment counts.
00:15:08
Speaker
Yeah. Gotta really live life, you know? Absolutely. To the hilt.
Satire and Language in Film
00:15:13
Speaker
to be ah So yeah, so ah your your your first wife introduced you to the the wonders of Run, Ronnie, Run.
00:15:23
Speaker
Yes, and we still quote it to each other to this day. Oh, that's There's a lot of stuff in this movie that has made its way into my everyday speech. Yeah. And again, I feel like that's why watching this movie, I was just like listening to Ronnie talk is like having a conversation with Tom.
00:15:43
Speaker
Like it just, there's something about this that feels very familiar. And that's not to impugn like your intelligence or anything like that. It's just like your cadence and some of the some of the word choice is very familiar to me.
00:15:55
Speaker
Yeah.
00:15:59
Speaker
Oh, so I'm like, I'm going to be talking to a real life Ronnie Dobbs tonight. Like Ronnie Dobbs. Also, what a character. What a guy. Your love of your love of very cheap beer. And like, it's all it's all baked in there, man.
00:16:13
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, it's true. there's that There's a lot of me in Ronnie Dobbs or a lot of Ronnie Dobbs in me. i don't know. That's one or the other. um But yeah, so and so you were a fan of Mr. Show from like the way back or from when it was first airing on HBO?
00:16:29
Speaker
ah No, well like I said, ah when I got the DVDs from Blockbuster, so it took me a while because I didn't i didn't have HBO when I was a kid, but I knew what it was. I was aware of it.
00:16:40
Speaker
And I yearned for it. But ah it wasn't until early 2000s, probably 2004. Gotcha. gotcha Is when I started renting those.
00:16:51
Speaker
My partner watched this movie with me and she's like, this feels like my sense of humor just cranked all the way up. This is exactly the kind of thing that I normally find funny, but it's even more bizarre because it usually the thing that she finds really funny is a very like out there and delusional person in a very normal grounded world. And this is a like very unmoored, almost delusional person in a world that is equally unmoored and delusional.
00:17:20
Speaker
and for that That supports his delusions. Right. and They're enablers. Everybody in this movie is a fucking enabler for Ronnie Dobbs. but and And I feel like there's i mean there there's satire to that. like there's theres There's a comment being made on the state of Hollywood and on like reality TV in specific. And I feel like that comment has only gotten, like the reality behind that comment has only gotten worse. No one learned a damn thing from this movie, probably because, let me check my notes here, no one saw this damn movie. This is much like most of my favorite stupid comedies. It's very smart underneath.
00:17:56
Speaker
It's really, really clever. lot like Pootie. Pootie Tang the same way where it's just dumb as shit. But like the undercurrent is clever as fuck. Oh, yeah. What he said.
00:18:07
Speaker
Blackface, I guess. Yes, he is 100% doing that. Again, that is the joke. Your mileage may vary as to how funny that joke is.
00:18:19
Speaker
Like some award choices in this film. Yeah. Well, I mean, I've like Ronnie Dobbs. He's we've discussed these kind of characters a lot, but like, like Jay from Jay and Silent Bob or like Bill and Ted, like they're dumb. Like they're, they're ignorant. They're not so much dumb as they are ignorant they don't understand what,
00:18:40
Speaker
Like they don't understand what they're saying enough to know that it's wrong. So you feel bad for them because they're like innocence almost, you know, they've got an air of innocence to them.
00:18:52
Speaker
I don't i yeah yeah I I I understand what you're saying I don't know that I would necessarily make that argument um in this particular instance we got couple of F slurs in this movie for sure that feel like they've aged like milk and not in the way that makes cheese but in the way that just kind of spoils and curdles and tastes bad i no best joke in the movie though
00:19:18
Speaker
Going to get that new mustache. your Your mileage may vary. Gotta go get the new mustache.
00:19:26
Speaker
Yeah, you wanted me to open the episode with that line. And that was never going to happen. No, well i look, I did not want you to. I was i was sad that we would we couldn't because it had such a a mean, nasty word in it.
00:19:42
Speaker
Yeah, a hateful. Let's say hateful word. um Well, depends on what country you're in. Sometimes you just want a cigarette. Sometimes you just want, you know, touche. Yeah.
Jack Black's Career Journey
00:19:56
Speaker
yeah and And that works both ways because ah a word that is very, very hateful in um in England is a word for a package liquor store in certain parts of the United States. So, yeah.
00:20:09
Speaker
Yeah. It just, you know, language is fun, isn't it, folks? Language is fun, yes. um Also, there's there's ah ah just a whole segment of this.
00:20:21
Speaker
About giving someone a kick in the cunt. Yes. Which is fantastic. That's the only time I'm letting you say that word this episode. can you can Can I tell you how awesome it is in this movie to have Jack Black lampooning one my favorite film of all time and doing it perfectly? When he does the quick part, holy shit.
00:20:43
Speaker
A man nails it. Yeah. in that Jack Black is extraordinarily talented. and it i mean it comes through like and i kind of i kind of want to see where Jack Black was in because he was ascendant i feel like in two thousand two but he wasn't quite where he is today. Like School of Rock, I think, is the one that really propels him to stardom. And School of Rock doesn't really happen until the following year in 2003. Though he was in stuff before this, I would say High Fidelity is what got his name out there. That's the performance people started noticing.
00:21:19
Speaker
That's true. I think. um I mean, he was in The Cable Guy, but who fucking cares? he's there' no one in the He's homeboy's friend. He's Matthew Broderick's friend. Only slightly fewer people saw The Cable Guy than saw Ron Roddy Rodden. Let's be very on that. Two my favorite movies of all time. I love The Cable Guy too.
00:21:36
Speaker
That is so good completely unsurprising. ah So yes, he is – if we want to start – I mean he's he's done a shit ton of stuff. Like Jack Black has been working since he was a kid.
00:21:48
Speaker
famously was all commercial The Pitfall commercial was his first acting gig the year before I was born, 1982. He's in Demolition Man. He's in um a couple episodes of Northern Exposure. Yeah.
00:22:02
Speaker
or one episode of Northern exposure, never ending story three as one of the bullies. um he's in, he's in fucking water world. Uh, the Kevin Costner film future episode of his podcast. God help us all. that Bruce Willis one that he was in the Jackal. Was he in the Jackal?
00:22:18
Speaker
ah Was the Jackal? Was the Jackal? I haven't gotten to the Jackal yet, but maybe. Straight up maybe. He was in Enemy of the States. Yes, he was in the Jackal. He was in ah Biodome, Dead Man Walking, the Cable Guy.
00:22:32
Speaker
He's in something called Cross Worlds, Mars Attacks. and Yes, he gets vaporized in Mars Attacks. He's the army guy. He's the army guy, yeah. The the the brother of Lucas Haas.
00:22:45
Speaker
ah He's in something called Johnny Skidmarks. um I still know what you did last summer. Uncredited. He is the Rasta guy. He's the Rasta guy. and like the they sell He sells them weed.
00:22:59
Speaker
And I still know what you did last summer. I haven't seen any of the I know what you did last summer. It's because my partner's like, those movies are bad. You don't want to watch them. You're not missing anything. I will agree. The only thing you're missing is the famous Rasta.
00:23:14
Speaker
the same famous overhead shot of what's her nuts spinning around saying, what are you waiting for? That's the one. jenni follow love That's the one.
00:23:24
Speaker
That's, that's her. um He's in a little movie or a little TV pilot. If we ever get our, our ass acts in gear and get the, the TV pilot ah spinoff podcast taken care of, we'll cover heat vision and Jack.
00:23:38
Speaker
Yeah. Hey, have you seen that, Stephen? I have not, no. Owen Wilson plays the dirt bike. I know. It's crazy because, like, Heat Vision and Jack, when when Jack Black um guest starred on Yo Gabba Gabba way back in the day, um his character ah very similarly rides a talking moped.
00:24:00
Speaker
Oh, interesting. Okay. That's the cool thing about Yo Gabba Gabba. It's not like most kids shows while where like they'll slip in offensive jokes that go over the kids' heads. Instead, they'll slip in references that kids will never get. But like the adults are like, oh shit, okay.
00:24:17
Speaker
Yeah, I see you. You see me. i see you. I think it's why so many famous people have been on Yo Gabba Gabba is because they have kids. And if they're going to be forced to watch a show, they want to be forced to watch one that's actually decent.
00:24:30
Speaker
And so that that tends to be. And again, you you have kids that watch Yo Gabba Gabba. So you do, you know. One that's been watching it for 15 years. There you go. so I've seen every episode. of can but I can say every episode to you, line for line, probably.
00:24:47
Speaker
Sounds about right. um as As someone who experiences what my sister goes through with with my nephews, it makes a lot of sense. Um, he's, uh, in a, also in 1999 in a film that I will, uh, be covering soon with my friend, Hope Stow over on, uh, Wells university, little movie directed by one Tim Robbins called cradle wheel rock, uh, based on, uh, a gentleman by the name of Orson Wells and a play that he directed called the cradle rock.
00:25:16
Speaker
I still have that on VHS. I've owned it on VHS for many, many, many, many many many years. Um, Right on. still own it. It barely fucking plays, but I still have it. You still have it. I like the movie a lot. I've watched it several times over the years.
00:25:30
Speaker
I like it a lot. ninety nine's a good year for him because he also does in 99 something uncredited role in The Love Letter, something called Jesus's Son. He's in the ah Foo Fighters Learn to Fly video and also in the Beck Sex Laws video.
00:25:45
Speaker
Um, so there's all that. And then the next year is when he does, ah he is when I think he starts his big run 2000. He's got high fidelity the following year. He's in saving Silverman, um, a movie that he is very much the best part of in my memory.
00:26:02
Speaker
another Arlie Ermey film. And then then Tenacious D kind of starts to to start putting out music in earnest. He does Shallow Howl in 2001. ah The first thing I ever saw him in, which is the movie he makes right before this one, a little movie he does with his King Kong co-star Colin Hanks called Orange County. Orange County.
00:26:23
Speaker
Yeah. It's a good movie. that was it was Yeah, it's all right. I liked it. I saw it at the movie theater. I don't think I've seen it since, but I had fun. I remember they burned something down at the end. Yes, the the admissions office for the college he's trying to attend. Yeah. yeah ah It's because Jack Black is having sex with Jane Addams.
00:26:42
Speaker
And they are not watching and they like throw a joint in the trash and it burns um down thing. Damn. um But yeah, and then and then he's and then it's this, and then he's kind of off to the races. he's got He does a voice in Ice Age, and then again in 2003 he gets School of Rock, and I feel like that kind of propels him into stardom.
00:27:07
Speaker
yeah I mean, he was a big deal before. like He got Shallow How because he was kind of... becoming a big deal, but school of rock is what made everyone young and old aware of who Jack was and what he was about.
00:27:22
Speaker
He was kind of the derpy, like kind of the derpy comedy guy. And then he gets school of rock and that I think uses him. That's link later using him in a way that is really and,
00:27:33
Speaker
smart and really weaponizing what it is he does well. Uh, but again, as you mentioned, his, his musical talents have always been kind of at the fore of what his particular brand of comedy is, even from high fidelity.
00:27:50
Speaker
And so to see him do the, basically the step in time routine about, um, uh, ah wife beating is um fairly uh content aside fairly funny ah hit but of course we all know that scene was cut for time not for content content no yeah absolutely understandable oh my god what'd you think of the little animation at the beginning steven
00:28:24
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the the the The ad, i you know what? I wasn't sure if that was part of it or not, so I fast-forwarded through that. Oh, you bastard. I'm sorry. You bastard. Yeah, that's part of the movie, Steven. Okay, I'll go and kind of like the commercials at the beginning of another Jack Black vehicle, Tropic Thunder. ah who I'll go back and watch it after we're done recording.
00:28:46
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ah now ah She wants me to pause the record right now and watch it and come back and tell you what I thought of it. No, I do. Unfortunately, I do think that John Kay was person they got for that, but it's still good.
00:28:59
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It sounds about right. like i'm I'm not going to lie to you, Tucker. I watched a movie... Earlier this year, the new Looney Tunes film, ah The Day the Earth Blew Up, which I really enjoyed. It's real good. It's very good.
00:29:14
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But I was like, the art style is very, very influenced by John Kay. And it it feels weird knowing how awful a person he is, that he is so influential in the animation world.
00:29:30
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Well, because like when ah Ren and Stimpy came out, nobody had done anything like that. Now everybody does that. you it's you You'd be hard pressed to find a cartoon that doesn't do the close up like ah still life
Influence of Animation on Comedy
00:29:45
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things like SpongeBob does that where it's real close to something and it's very realistic and gross. Very detailed. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:29:52
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Like that's that's a Ren and Stimpy thing. Like they invented that like fuck that guy. But I mean, he changed animation forever. Yeah, for for for good or ill, he's an absolute fucking scumbag. i There was a ah documentary that came out during the pandemic, and while they were filming it, those fucking allegations were coming out about him, and they almost tacked them on to the end as sort of an afterthought.
00:30:15
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And, like, the whole thing is about what a perfectionist asshole he is, and then you get to the end, and it's like the last 10 minutes of him going, yeah, I don't think, I don't remember it that way. And you're just like, oh, fuck you, dude. Like, fuck you. Yeah.
00:30:29
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Well, i always knew I always kind of knew he was a ah scumbag because ah when the the new episodes came out on TNN, on the Nashville network.
00:30:41
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Right. Before it became Scrum
00:30:47
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They let him do whatever he wanted, and it just was very mean-spirited and gross. And that's why I always, whenever I use the example of of someone who is a creative genius but just needs needs so an editor's hand,
00:31:02
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Be like, hey, no, no, no, that's too far. Don't do that. Do this this way. And you're perfect. John K is the perfect example, because with the guiding hand of Nickelodeon, he made a perfect fucking show.
00:31:13
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And without him, without them, he made ah just perverted bullshit. Right. And that I mean, that is the. I think kind of the lesson, like it's about the the the thing that made Ren and Snippy so special was the allusion to the thing, not the thing itself.
00:31:31
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And as soon as you – and it's the same problem I had with the – when we covered the 2010 Nightmare on Elm Street movie. The suggestion of the thing is more powerful than just putting it out there.
00:31:42
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Like we all had that thing in our head. We all kind of wondered when you make the subtext text, it loses its power. And so I feel like anymore either. that Yeah, exactly. it It feels less transgressive somehow when you're actually doing it than when you're only suggesting weirdly.
00:32:01
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And that's kind of why, honestly, I'm i'm excited to see finally see the original Savini cut of um the remake of Night Living Dead. But also, I kind of think the fact that they made him tone it down, and he mentions it in the documentary that they made about that film some years back, that because of those cuts, a lot of it is left up to the imagination. And you're you can think up worse than what he can put on the screen.
00:32:28
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Exactly. And I feel like that's... that's something that I think a lot of horror movies that we've seen and, and some that we've covered. um Like, I know obviously that's why jaws gets all the credit that it does, but also something like um my bloody Valentine, the original, my bloody Valentine, that movie we've got like, you know, people like the, the scene where he like lifts the body and like shoves it onto the shower head.
00:32:55
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Like that's only, suggested we don't actually see that until the director's cut and honestly that's there's something like really regret like regressive to that like anything that we can imagine is going to be worse than anything they're going to be able to put on screen original texas chainsaw massacre is the perfect example of that everybody 100 says thinks that it's just like the grossest bloodiest thing in the world there's hardly a drip in that movie a lot of that is left to the imagination Yes. Most all of it. Almost all of it is left. the imagination of time it's Except for a thump on the head with the hammer.
00:33:31
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That's about it. Franklin does get Franklin does get chainsawed, but you don't see any blood like it. There's nothing. Yeah. Like, and that's, that's the thing about that movie is it's, it's not gory at all. Everything is just suggested, but it became this very transgressive thing, despite the fact that there's nothing transgressive there at all.
00:33:53
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No, not visually. Everything transgressive is right. Sure. But it's all, it's all in our heads. It's all, it's all subtext. It's not the text. And again, that's the, I think the potency of it.
00:34:06
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Yup. So yeah, that's just how I feel about it. I feel about it as well. Well, I'm glad that we're on the same page there for sure. um But yeah, so there we go.
00:34:19
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But run Ronnie. run. Jack Black is how we got to where were. Jack Black, John K, Night of the Living Dead remake. yeah And now we're back.
00:34:31
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And we're back. ah By the way, ah go listen to Tucker talk about the night of Living Dead remake over on Potting the Pendulum. Oh, excuse me. burr right Did you hear that? Right in the mic. I sure did That came through, my friend. Crap. A doodle do. Look, I'm going to bleep out that burp, but I'm going to I'm not even going to bleep it out. I'm just going to cut it out, but I'm going to leave the rest of this in.
00:34:51
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Good. That's great. I love that. make um But yeah, run, Ronnie, run. And part of the hilar part of what makes this movie so funny is the fact that Now both David Cross and Bob Odenkirk have become relatively famous in their own right apart from this show.
00:35:13
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Like this is kind of how both of them got their names out to begin with. I mean, obviously like Odenkirk started with Second City, was a writer on SNL for a number of years. Cross kind of worked his way out. Simpsons.
00:35:25
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Yes. Odenkirk wrote the Simpsons for a while as well. I thought that was his brother. did he Did he write as well? i did say Odenkirk. I didn't specify.
00:35:36
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Yeah, I think it was Bill Odenkirk that wrote for SNL, not or for for The Simpsons, rather. not Sampsons. yeah but saint The Sampsons. Knock over temples with our tremendous strength.
00:35:50
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um Yeah, I can... But yeah, I'm sure he's got... he's got His writer credits are actually... highlighted here, but I'm just going scroll through Bob's writing credits here.
00:36:02
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ah He was a writer on, he was a consultant writer on Tim and Eric Awesome Show, Great Job. I believe that.
00:36:10
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And Mr. Show, Saturday Live, Conan O'Brien, not The Simpsons. So that would have been his brother, Bill, who was the writer on The Simpsons. He did, however, provide additional material for a little show that I know you love called Dr. Katz Professional Therapist.
00:36:26
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ah Oh, yes. And he was a writer. He was a writer on three episodes of the Dana Carvey show, which we mentioned earlier this month when we talked to Master of Disguise. And he was also a writer on the Ben Stiller show, which is why we probably have Ben Stiller in this movie.
00:36:43
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That's the thing about Bob and David. Like whether you like their show or not, you can tell by this movie that they are just best friends with everybody.
00:36:56
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Yeah. Everybody that's anybody is in this movie. And even few people that used to be somebody, honestly, like you've got so many people in this and it it really speaks to, and again, it speaks to kind of the amount of bit parts they've had in so many things, the amount of writing gigs they had in so many places and just the the work that they were doing in
Collaborations of Cross and Odenkirk
00:37:18
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and around Hollywood at this time that they're able to get this many people into a single scene of this movie. very And again, very it's very similar to the party scene in Weird the Al Yankovic Story. It very much has has those kind of vibes in it, except all those famous people are playing themselves and not other famous people. Other famous people, yes. Right.
00:37:44
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I think Warhol and Emo Phillips is Salvador Dali et cetera, et cetera. Yes. ah Jack Black as Wolfman Jack. Akiva Schaffer is Alice Cooper.
00:37:55
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Yorma Tocconi is Pee Wee Herman. Well, soon is Pee Wee Herman. Yes. um I think... everybody Everybody loves Bob and David. i don't know what to tell you.
00:38:06
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i would love to have been hanging out with those guys at that time because it seems like just everybody loved them. And so to see like David Cross kind of rise through the ranks and and kind of get his fame from, you know, stuff like Arrested Development and ah to a lesser extent stuff like, I mean, he was in Small Soldiers, a movie you and I both love by Jadante, one of our favorite filmmakers.
00:38:28
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. we We, you know, he's davidve David Cross is just kind of one of those that guy actors. Like he he'll just show up and shit. Like he's he's, you know, running with Barry Sonnenfeld. He's in both of the first two Men in Black movies. Like he's he's someone who, again, is working with some relatively famous people. And Odenkirk is kind of right there in that boat, although it takes Odenkirk a little longer to achieve his high level of fame that he has now. But thanks to Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul and the phenomena that those shows were,
00:38:58
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I mean, he's he's he's a fucking movie star. he's but Nobody, too, is was in theaters earlier this year. Odenkirk's a motherfucking movie star. He's leading movies.
00:39:09
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um And i I guarantee you, he and David Cross are still very good friends and still talk oh all the time. They have to be. yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, ah when David Cross started his podcast probably about a year ago,
00:39:26
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um i think his first or second guest was Bob Odenkirk. Yeah. Yeah. And unlike most of the episodes where he kind of seems like he's just having a conversation with a friend or something like those guys are fucking brothers.
00:39:41
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They are like they they're attached at the hip and it's really fun to listen to them just talk off the cuff. One of my favorite episodes of Arrested Development is the episode that Bob Odenkirk guest stars on as Lindsay and Tobias' marriage counselor.
00:39:58
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Yes. And they eventually, like Tobias and and the the counselor start doing a scene together. And it's fucking hilarious. Like, it's so funny. And you can tell it's just those two guys who are so natural and just are so comfortable with each other. They're so in tune.
00:40:17
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So in tune to each other, sense of humans. Absolutely. Yes, for sure. Like now I remember seeing them on like one of those like big like comedy, like not I don't know if it was um comic relief or something like that.
00:40:31
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But they filmed a segment of like the two of them hanging out after the show, like after their show was canceled. And ah the joke is that they're they're waiting in line at a gangbang and they happen to be next to each other.
00:40:42
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And so they're completely naked. They're covering their crotches with their hands and they're just like casually talking like, oh, how you been? Oh, been all right. and How's the wife? How are the kids? Oh, they're good. They're good. Thank so much for it. Like it just and then like one of their numbers is called. Oh, that's me. I got to go. And you just walk off to go, you know, like.
00:41:01
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have have sex with ah with a ah mattress actress. But yeah, um that's the the implication ah there. thanks yeah Which I found as 17, 16, 17 year old, very funny.
00:41:15
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That is funny. I think for me, whenever I see either of them, it's nice to see them. But I always find so much more joy when they're together.
00:41:27
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I would love for them to do something else together. Like they have not worked together since with Bob and David, which I i caught the first episode of. I need to go back and watch the rest of that.
00:41:38
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ah Because again, Netflix isn't trying to suppress my free speech or anyone's free speech. So i I still have a Netflix subscription. um For good or forillia yeah for yeah. Who knows how much longer I'll have one, but I do right now.
00:41:51
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ah They're not openly and blatantly kowtowing to fascism, but you know. Right. Now, I would say, though I said I always like them better together, um the my favorite David Cross thing ever, peak David Cross. If you're a fan of David Cross and you have not seen this show, ah what the fuck are you doing with your life?
00:42:11
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um You need to check out a show called The Increasingly Poor Decisions of Todd Margaret. I know of that show, but I've never seen that show. It has been on my list forever.
00:42:24
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It's there's nothing like it. There's no character like Todd Margaret's and, and the way you feel about this character is so complicated.
00:42:35
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Oh, man. Everybody just stop the podcast right now and watch the first two seasons of the increasingly poor decisions of Todd Margaret. They're on Amazon Prime right now. They're on Amazon Prime right now.
00:42:47
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The third season they made like 10 years after the end of the second season. And it's this weird like multiverse thing that like is insane but awesome.
00:42:58
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I don't know where the third season is right now. I think it was originally made for Netflix. But I don't know where the third season can be found right now. I definitely recommend um all of those. It was a it was it's a British show. to be It's I think it's a BBC, maybe BBC show.
00:43:16
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Oh, that's interesting. It's it's a British show. He's like the um he's the star of it and he's American. But like the only other American people that show up, ah Will Arnett shows up.
00:43:27
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um Spike Jones not novelty song Smith Spike Jones but creator of Jackass music video director Spike Jones um he shows up as a character um and who is replaced by on Tubi but I don't know where the third season is ah Spike Jones in the third season is replaced by Jack McBrayer oh that's hilarious yeah yes I love Jack McBrayer that guy's hilarious girl me too
00:43:58
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such a He seems like such a sweet fella, too. Yeah, he really and just very just authentically like a nice guy. i saw him on i think it was Seth Meyers show.
00:44:10
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I caught a clip of him on that show where he's like, kids love you. and he's like, it's because I insult them. And he just talks about how he's like really mean to kids and kids love him for it. Like he's like, yeah, I just I'm just really, really mean. And they think it's hilarious.
00:44:24
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And as a as a former middle school and high school teacher, I can tell you accurate. yeah like abuse They like They like the piss taken out of them there. They sure do. Boy, how do you do that?
00:44:38
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I can tell you the third season of Todd Margaret is not on Netflix. It's a hard one to get to. They did it so far after and i'd like it didn't really do anything. Me and like a handful of people watched it, I think.
00:44:50
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It was on IFC and so if you didn't have like that cable package or that um that satellite package, you you couldn't watch it. Because that was the the third season was not. I don't think i I'm pretty sure the third season was not. It's like I said, it was many, many years after the third season was made. But the increasingly poor decisions of Todd Margaret is one of the funniest and most uncomfortable shows I've ever sat through.
00:45:16
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it's it's wow it's something legitimately has been on my list forever legitimately nothing like one that i've always wanted to to revisit so i've watched episodes 2009 to 2016 third season 2016 yeah sorry go ahead the first two seasons i've probably seen those first two seasons five or six times because I just love going on that journey. And it is a journey. It is serialized. It's not like they're not bottle episodes. It is one story. The first two seasons are, like I said, the third season is this wacky kind of reboot thing.
00:45:55
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That's its own thing. That's really cool. Like it's really cool concept the way they did it. I've only seen that once because it just showed up and then i don't know where the fuck it went after the first time I saw it. It's just gone. It doesn't exist anymore.
00:46:08
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Yeah, kind of doesn't seem like it does. maybe maybe you can find Maybe it can be found somewhere on the internet, but I don't know where. i don't know. I'll check Internet Archive. Stephen, pardon me. I'm sorry. I'm having hot flashes.
00:46:22
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Oh, you're you're Ronnie Dobbs in it up in here, getting getting that shirt off. I'm disrobing because I'm very warm. I mean, that's why I keep a fan on me during records, because I know no one wants or needs to see this.
00:46:36
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Well, I have an air conditioner back here, but it's loud. It would show up on the recording. You'd be able to hear it. i love that my fan, this mic does not pick up my fan. i love that so much. That's fantastic.
00:46:50
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I also recorded some some audio with our good friend J.P. Leck last week and and had my fan going the whole time and he did not pick it up at all. Oh, are you in the Halloween special too, Stephen? Yeah.
00:47:02
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i I am the Halloween special. Oh, really? i have a small I have a small part in the Halloween special, Steven. Oh, which which which role are you playing? I'm the the escort, the military escort.
00:47:15
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Oh, okay. Are you the guy that I call Darth Vader or Bane? Oh, because I have the weird voice? Because of the voice thing, yeah. Okay, yeah, so you're the guy I call Darth Vader, and i ah Joseph let me ad-lib of me calling you Bane, because I was like, what who's another guy who talks weird? Bane, I'll call him Bane, is that okay? He's like, yeah, that's fine. i was like, okay, great.
00:47:37
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It would be very painful, Steven. For you. You think the darkness is your ally? i was born in the dark, raised in it.
00:47:49
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What a swing. Tom Hardy always taking those big swings and 99% of the time, boy, we're glad he did. I mean, in its it's a guy I don't think I've ever heard his actual voice because he's always got some kind of weird affectation going on in his voice.
00:48:05
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He's got kind of, he's just got a British accent, but it's kind of, um it's almost like the Southern accent of British accents.
00:48:16
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is it's It's not quite Cockney. But it's very sloppy. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah, believe that.
00:48:27
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I believe it. Run, run, run, run, though. Strangely enough. Weird. I mean, he he kind of didn't hit his stride till well after this movie came out. So that's not terribly surprising, I guess. um Don't even know what he would be doing. I love that Gary Shandling is in this movie just to hand Ronnie, not one, but two joints.
00:48:46
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Yes, because you and then in the. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, indeed. You know, Steven, I know they're talking about beer, but there's like another pair I'd like to get my hands What's what's what what's that, Tucker?
00:49:02
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ah ah her i think he's I think he's referring to ah the beer girl's breasts, Steven. No, because immediately after that, he says, my balls.
00:49:14
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Yes. but i I also think he's actually wanting to get a hold of his balls. That's what we're meant to think. And then the subversion of the joke is that he's talking about his test.
00:49:24
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My face in your ass.
00:49:28
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oh Half of the shit that he says like doesn't even make sense, but the way he says it like with the confidence, you're like, okay. Yes. All right. Got it. Yeah, sure. Fantastic.
Comedic Styles and Impact
00:49:37
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you're Beer Girl, one of those 90s, early 2000s It Girls that just like i like, I don't know what happened to her, but Nikki Cox.
00:49:48
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um I think she was on the show on happily ever after. I think that was her big like breakthrough. Maybe i know she was in um apparently she was in Mac and me future episode of this podcast. Mac and me. She's also as a, as a, as a, as a younger girl in Terminator two colon judgment day.
00:50:10
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ah She's also in the, the movie that Leonardo DiCaprio and Tobey Maguire don't want you to see Don's plum.
00:50:18
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um But let me I'm just scrolling through her credits here because again she was in feel like she was in some show for a while that she was kind of propelled her into stardom unhappily ever after. Yeah, she did a hundred episodes that show lasted for a hundred episodes and I guarantee you no one remembers that show Tucker.
00:50:38
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i um I don't remember the show because never watched it, but I i do remember the title. I remember it being on. I feel like that was a show where the Bobcat Goldthwait voiced, yes, a a bunny called Mr. Floppy.
00:50:52
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In that show. So that's that's a thing that happened. It starred Jeff Pearson, ah Kevin Connolly, he of um Entourage fame, Nicky Cox, and Justin Burfield from um ah the the show Malcolm in the Middle was also on that show.
00:51:11
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so Can we... they go time Sorry, go ahead. I was to say, can we pivot just real quick to David Koechner? Just true because he's he is an unsung hero.
00:51:23
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He ah holds on his shoulders many comedies that did not deserve as much credit as they got, but because they were on the shoulders of this man.
00:51:34
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David Koechner, I think it's a shame that he didn't last very long on SNL because I think he's so talented. He's so funny in everything that I've seen him in.
00:51:44
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And I really wish that he had gotten his chance to kind of be a bigger comedy star like all the people he props up and all these other movies, you know? this This movie comes out two years before the first movie I saw Koechner in, which was Anchorman colon The Legend of Ron Burgundy, um where he is hysterical. Whammy! miracle whammy Whammy. Yeah. um
00:52:09
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And I mean, bri like that movie, and that's also the first movie that I saw Steve Carell in. didn't know who Steve Carell was before that movie. And i'm I think I knew who Paul Rudd was, but like, I don't know what I had seen him in prior to that. So like, that's kind of a linchpin movie for, and I saw that one in theaters.
00:52:29
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Did I go to see Anchorman 2 in theaters? I did. ah Did I regret that decision? i did Me too. Yeah, I saw it in theaters and I knew it was going to be shit. I was like, there're no way there's no way that they're not just going to rehash all the same jokes.
00:52:45
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And that's exactly what they did. That's 100% what they did. and And what a waste. the the um The new version of the news team fight, all the people they got in for that is so impressive, but just for what?
00:52:58
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Like, for fucking what? Who gives a shit? That's it. it's It's for what? But it's also one of those, like... It's bigger names. Like fucking Will Smith was there. Come on, man. Don't waste Will Smith.
00:53:13
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It's too fucking much. That's just it. is it's It's so many people. Because that's the joke is we just keep going bigger with it and bigger with it and bigger with it and surprise Harrison Ford is a werewolf.
00:53:24
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Like it just like the fun of that first one was just how off the rails it went so quickly. And that you've got Luke Wilson who keeps getting arms ripped off and Vince Vaughn and like Ben Stiller, like Tim Robbins, that those guys show up, but then it's just, okay, we got this guy.
00:53:42
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And then we got this guy and then we got this guy. And then and you're just like, Oh my God, just stop, just stop and get to the fucking thing. And after all that buildup, The thing is so fucking disappointing because it can't be anything else.
00:53:56
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There's nothing else that can be after that buildup. yeah I feel sorry for our mutual friend, Julie, because she went with me to see that movie and she had not even seen the first one.
00:54:07
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Oh, yeah. We came out of that theater and I was like, I feel for you, girl. I'm so sorry we saw that. Just garbage. I saw that on vacation with my ex, who was ah also a big Anchorman fan. So...
00:54:21
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The only thing even remotely funny about that movie is that it makes you think of how funny the first one was. And she didn't even have that context. No. I was like, you poor thing. You had to sit there for an hour and 40 minutes through that bullshit.
00:54:35
Speaker
It's the whole the only things funny in that movie are the things. Are you remembering how funny the first one was? Mm hmm. And it's, it's, that's, I guess that's kind of my issue with like Will Ferrell in general is when he's on, he is so on, but when he's off, he is so far off the mark. And honestly, for me, he's more off than he is on.
00:54:59
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Like I dislike most of his, of his films personally. I think as comedian... That's a matter of taste, but yes. I think as a comedian, Will Ferrell needs a lot of direction.
00:55:12
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I think he's really good at coming up with a character and figuring out who that character is. But you've got to write him good material. You have to. Yes. yeah Because it shows... Some comedians can...
00:55:26
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can bust their way through bad material and make it sound good. Will Ferrell is not one of those because he can be so funny. You give him the right thing and there's nobody else that would be able to say it as funny as he can, but you don't give him something that's good. And,
00:55:43
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He still goes for it, but it's just embarrassing. It is. And that's what it is like. and And I feel like Jack Black kind of is almost his opposite number because Jack Black can take a really weak premise.
00:55:54
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And I mean, it's his his success rate is not 100%. Sometimes you can tell he's struggling through it, but he can at least find the moments of humor to kind of brighten the thing up a little bit. Whereas Farrell, I think, leans too hard on the material. And if the material is bad, he's it's just going stay bad.
00:56:13
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Yeah. Yeah, I do. I do like his dramatic roles, though. I think he's ah he's an excellent dramatic actor. They don't let him do that very often, but I do like the stuff that he's been in. I haven't seen a lot of those. I wasn't a big fan of Stranger Than Fiction. i thought that movie was very I thought that was overwritten. Honestly, i think I was going to say it's really trying to be very clever.
00:56:34
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I think that it When I saw it, I was like, oh, this isn't as good as the trailer made me think it was going to be. But I did really enjoy his performance in it because it's kind of a it's kind of a Truman show kind of role for him.
00:56:50
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We're like, yeah, it's it's silly, but he's giving a dramatic performance. He is. And he's good. I think he's good in that movie. I believe him. And did you see did you see Melinda and Melinda?
00:57:02
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No, I don't even know what the fuck that is, Steven. That's a Woody Allen film that he's in. which oh yeah, I would never see that. Yeah, I would not see a Woody Allen film. Sorry. I don't but and don't blame you.
00:57:12
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I watched it before I knew most of the whole Woody Allen shit. so i do I do a very good Woody Allen impression, but it comes off as being very anti-Semitic, so I don't do it anymore. That a lot of sense, and you should probably not do that anymore. I don't. I don't. Good.
00:57:30
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but It is legendary though. People beg me to do it and I'm like, no, I won't. I won't fucking do it. No, you can't make me. There's no amount of money. Melinda and Melinda is it's two writers, one of whom is played by Wallace Shawn. I forget who the other one is played by, ah but they're ah basically debating which is more potent drama or comedy.
00:57:51
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And so one of them is trying to tell a comedic story and the other a dramatic story about this woman falling in love. And Will Ferrell is the romantic lead of the comedy portion and then Chiwetel Ejiofor is the lead of the uh dramatic portion and I think the actress Melinda Vanessa Shaw uh but yeah you've got Wallace Shawn uh Neil Pepe ah Roda Mitchell I think Chloe Sevigny's in it yeah Chloe Sevigny Johnny Lee Miller like it's got a good cast to it but it is it is a Woody Allen film so do with that what you will
00:58:28
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Yeah, it's just so surprising to see who will just drop everything and be in one of his movies. I'm always disappointed when I see the cast list whenever he has a new movie. I'm like, oh, come on.
00:58:40
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I will say um the one that gave me hope was after I think it was... um the one about one of his more recent films, um, the, one of the host of one of my favorite podcasts, Griffin Newman, uh, was in that movie. He said he did that movie because his dad was, you know, and a Woody Allen fan and he kind of wanted to work with them.
00:59:03
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ah But then like after that one came out, A Rainy Day in New York is is the one it was. After that movie came out, like is kind of when everything exploded. He says, you know what? I don't feel good about this.
00:59:15
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I shouldn't have done it. I'm just going to donate my salary to like... one of those, a charity that is like helping benefit women and survivors of, ah ah of that, that form of assault, which I really respected. And I think a lot of other actors kind of followed suit after that, but a lot of people came after him and was like, then why'd you do the movie? And he's like, that's really complicated. i don't really want get into it anymore than i already have. Like, yeah. the people who will be in a roman polanski movie too it's like what the fuck are you guys doing like i get it but yeah also no like you gotta have a little integrity like what the fuck the fact that that man is still directing is obscene 100 and the ninth gate is fantastic but still fuck that guy yeah that guy
01:00:03
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I mean, Rosemary's
Legacy of Controversial Directors
01:00:04
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Baby, Chinatown. The man is directing good films. Oh god, yes. He's a fantastic director. A very talented man. Also a fucking scumbag. Correct. Both things can be true. We can hold both things in tension.
01:00:15
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um and And should, I think, with... with talented people who do terrible things um and you know should you engage with that art i will that's not a decision i can make for you i will let you make that decision for yourself but i i will and i will make that decision for myself and we'll we'll call it a day but i will not defend the man or his actions um in in the case of woody allen or roman polanski quite frankly no dude No, no dude dude. No. But you know what? Neither of them directed Run, Ronnie, Run. In fact, ronnie run Run, Ronnie, Run was directed by someone named Troy Miller.
01:00:52
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Let me take a look at Mr. Troy Miller. he He was involved with the show, if I recall. That seems very likely. they It feels like they – and he is a big TV guy. I'm just kind of looking over some of his credits right now.
01:01:08
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Man has a ton of television credits. Almost all comedy. Exactly. Like he was you know Greg the Bunny and Arrested Development. He was a producer.
01:01:19
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Actually, on Arrested Development, he directed a couple David Cross specials. But yes, he was a segment director for this for Mr. Show with Bob and David directed 20 episodes. He also directed Tucker. I don't know if you know this.
01:01:34
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He directed a little movie starring Michael Keaton, but a movie that was intended for George Clooney, which is why the snowman in Jack Frost looks so much like George Clooney. Yeah. Nothing like Michael Keaton.
01:01:47
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Yeah. But yeah, he directed that movie. That movie um he directed in 1998, right before the end of Mr. Show with Bob and David.
01:01:58
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He also directed the music video for the Chris Rock song Champagne. No sex in the champagne room. No sex in the champagne room. um He was ah he also directed again. Again, this is probably why Ben Stiller showed up for this as well. He was a director on the Ben Stiller show also.
01:02:16
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Like, I mean, and those shows feel like they have kind of very similar sensibilities. Tonight he was a producer on. And directed for that show as well, which is probably why we were able to get Jack Black in here. Like he just, yeah. Jack Black was on Mr. Show as well.
01:02:31
Speaker
Oh, was he? That I did not know. Maybe I missed that. um But okay, that's good. Yeah. um But yeah, like um he directed Viva La Bam, the Bam Margera show that came out after Jackass.
01:02:43
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um He's directed a lot of standup specials for guys like John Oliver, brian Regan, Rich Darby, your boy Cat Williams. cool Why is he my boy? Why is Cat Williams my boy all of a sudden? You love Cat Williams. Nobody's riddled with controversy. Everybody wants to say he's my boy.
01:03:01
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I've always been okay with Cat. what Cat Williams is funny. I will say that. Jim Gaffigan, Martin Short, David Alan Greer. like He's done just a ton of those. But yeah, it does a lot a lot of TV work. it's Any comedy on TV, he's directed The Office, he's directed Parks and Rec, Goldberg's Brooklyn Nine-Nine.
01:03:22
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like everything. ah Do you remember? It's I'm, I'm looking here and I'm remembering the show hood adjacent that I used to enjoy. It only ran eight episodes on comedy central.
01:03:32
Speaker
Oh, I didn't. No, didn't watch that one. James Davis was who starred in that one. I was kind of waiting for him to become a big thing. It was kind of their next sketch show after, like, Chappelle's show and... um What was that really stupid one that was in between Chappelle's show and Key & Peele?
01:03:52
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um The guy... um I want to say George Lopez, but it's yes. Thank you. Oh, that guy is so annoying. Good. I stand that show.
01:04:03
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He's and he is pretty much just withered up like that guy doesn't have a career anymore. Good. All of his jokes were the lowest hanging fruit and he stole his ideas from anybody he could.
01:04:16
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Did not have an original thought in his head. Back in the day when that show was on, like there was no streaming. And back then, i was I was dating this gal who I refer to. Well, nope, that's morbid.
01:04:30
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ah She has passed. and But when we were together and we would watch all Comedy Central, we would... ah we would watch comedy central all the time. What South park drawn together, ah daily show, all that shit.
01:04:44
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So we just have comedy central on all the time. Yeah. And mine men see it would come on and we'd be like, Oh, Well, we'd flip and we'd flip and we'd flip and we'd flip and we'd flip and nothing else would be on. We'd be like, all right, I guess.
01:05:00
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I found myself in that predicament a number of times when that show was on. And honestly, i chuckled maybe twice. Yeah. I do misdrawn together, though.
01:05:11
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Whatever happened to that show? I like that show. ah That show, i've I've tried to watch that one more recently, and I don't know that it holds I'm sure it doesn't hold up. No, I'm absolutely positive it doesn't show up. I used to have a shirt, actually, that that that gal I was speaking of before gave to me of um the Fox gal that's voiced by What's Her Nuts that is now on Abbott Elementary, like in physical form. um But the girl who... Is that Cree Summer?
01:05:39
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Who voiced the twins in Rugrats. Yeah. I think that's Cree Summer. Yes. Cree Summer is like a legendary voice act. Yes. yes Yep, that's her. Cree Summer. ah So the character that she played, which was a a black girl in a fox costume.
01:05:56
Speaker
She was Foxy Brown or not Foxy, bra but Foxy something. And she was ah basically a knockoff of Josie and the Pussycats, the black girl from Josie and the Pussycats, Valerie. Yes. And i had I had a shirt of her and the princess gal from that show making out.
01:06:13
Speaker
had tracks yeah no i would never have picked it for myself i only wore it in honor of the deceased sure sure um but yeah no i remember watching that i i decided i think in 2023 that i was just going to do a watch through of that show just to see if and i didn't make it past the first episode no i barely made it through it was funny then but just enough to keep it on, really. Right.
01:06:41
Speaker
Yeah. I can't imagine watching it now. Oh my god so too It's so homophobic. It's yeah so racist. Like every, every awful thing you can be, it is that. Like it's that early 2000s kind of edgy where you're like, yeah, we're pushing boundaries and no, all you're doing is being really fucking offensive.
01:07:01
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Yup. And there were some people who were doing that as satire then, which I think is fine, but most people were just... Yeah. Just, uh, not doing it as satire. The fact that you have Adam Carolla on the main voice cast tells me satire was not involved.
01:07:16
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. yeah I mean, just again, call it it, call it a hunch, call it what you will, but yeah. Um, I feel like there was a movie that came out, but I don't know if it was theatrically released. And I don't know if it was... I also don't know if it was, like, the the last thing that they did. Like, Deadwood, like, this is not... We're not making s sequels. we're We're doing this to end the thing.
01:07:39
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so I'll have to do a little more research. But i I... Because I don't want that to be a future episode of this podcast. I truly don't. Speaking of movies that were not released in theaters, but direct-to-DVD...
01:07:51
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This movie, Run, Ronnie, Run. Here we go. You got to get it. Did not get a theatrical release. No, it opened at Sundance. um In fact, I don't even think it was on the initial master list for that very reason. But when you brought it up, i was like, ah, fuck it. I mean, at this point, if you can make the case for it, we'll throw it on.
01:08:07
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um Like, if you can make a strong enough case as to why we should include it, I'll throw it on the list. Like, I'm not that yeah precious about it. you're You're more pedantic about this shit than I am, honestly. I can be, yes.
01:08:20
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I certainly can be. Are, but yes. I certainly can are.
01:08:29
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You can be and are. ah can are. Pedantic as fuck. yo But yeah, my greatest be and my greatest weakness. Dave Keckner to circle back to Dave Keckner.
01:08:42
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um Man had just a number of credits um going into like his movie credits. He's in Wag the Dog as the director in 1997. Dirty Work in 98. Dill Scallion in 99. I have no idea what that even is.
01:08:58
Speaker
He's the pilot in The Spy Who Shagged, or co-pilot in The Spy Who Shagged Me during probably one of those montages about the shape of the ship. um Apparently played a recurring character across many wwe WWE programs called Angry Man With Sign.
01:09:16
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yeah ah He's in man Man on the Moon. He's in Freaks and Geeks. He's on an episode of The Norm Show. um and like he does this. He's on an episode of Greg the Bunny. He's in a movie called The Third Wheel um and ah does a couple other like small roles in TV and film and then hits with Anchorman in 2004. And I feel like that's where most – and then then the year after that, he's Cooter in The Dukes of Hazzard.
01:09:44
Speaker
He's like in one scene of The 40-Year-Old Virgin. He's in Thank You for Smoking. Like immediately just blows up after Anchorman. And I feel like it's one of those things where a lot of people were kind of finding him at once.
01:09:58
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Yup. But yeah, that definitely kind of feels like... his kind of ascendancy is in Anchorman because I didn't know him from Adam when I saw that. I was not watching ah SNL in the 90s when he was on it.
01:10:10
Speaker
So I had no idea. Now, Stephen, who you you would know this. you're You're a fellow, wait, wait, don't tell me fan. Who's the guy that's ah commonly a panelist? He's on all the time, but he sounds just like David Koechner in this movie.
01:10:27
Speaker
Oh, God. Sounds just like every time. Like the first time I heard him on Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me. I'm like, is that David Kector? Just like doing his accent there. What's going on? You know what I'm talking about.
01:10:38
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Is that the older guy? I've never seen. Like, I still barely know what anybody in that show looks like.
01:10:47
Speaker
I just know their voices. Well, except for Paula Poundstone. Me and Paula go way back. This I know. Because honestly, I'm wondering if he was on the episode, the the recording of which I i attended.
01:11:02
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because you had gone one. year for my birthday. yeah I did. um i mean Peter Sagal was not there. I mean, yeah. Peter Sagal was not there. He was out that day. But Karen Chi guest hosted. oh yeah. And Bill Curtis was there. And Bill Curtis said we were one of the wildest audiences he'd ever seen at ah at a taping for a Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me. Did he say that you were incredible?
01:11:25
Speaker
No, he would never say that. all right. Okay, I was just making sure that he didn't say that. you saying that way He did say that we sounded like ah we were like a drunken frat party. um And we all took that as a compliment, yes. Absolutely.
01:11:41
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I'm trying to look through the archive to just kind of see who the panelists tend to be. Because I have a guy in mind I think I know.
01:11:59
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of last year can we get your mother's maiden name too steven and your social security now that we know your birthday what year was that steven let me write this down you legitimately mentioned that earlier on this podcast oh shit all right well now we can get all your shit fantastic bleep one of those for me please i got you dude i'm already on it behind the scenes here making shit happen as As we are all grateful that you do.
01:12:29
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um Fuck. It's so uncanny how much it just sounds like David Koechner in this movie. Roy Blount Jr. Yes. Thank you.
01:12:40
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And he was there, the the episode that I saw the recording for. Does he look like David Koechner in this movie? No, goodness. No, he is. is actually an older gentleman. I'd say he's probably in his, if I had to guess, probably late seventy s And he is um he's got a full head of of very white hair.
Special Guest Episode with Allison Felix
01:13:00
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And he cracked me up at that episode. i In fact, if you can hear my laugh at all, it is because of him. ah Roy Vaughn Jr. says, whoop, whoop, Gangnam style in such a way that made me like cry actual tears.
01:13:18
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I can imagine thinking about it. It wasn't even there. It was wonderful. It was that is ah the episode from July 20th, 2024 was the release date of that episode.
01:13:30
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um And it was was a special guest. It was Olympian Allison Felix. nice And the panelists were Roy Blount Jr., Shantira Jackson, and Hari Kondabolu.
01:13:45
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And they were all amazing. every f It was so fun to be able to watch. And it was a really great birthday present from my partner who bought the tickets like two days earlier and was like, we're going.
01:13:58
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um It was a lot of fun. we had ah We had an absolute blast because she's also a big NPR fan and she had been to a taping before, but with... Someone of the other political persuasion and so did not have a very good time as a result.
01:14:13
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Good old WB easy. Gotta love it. Gotta love it. I do. um But yeah, ah run, Ronnie, run. i did. I just kind of wanted to review kind of because we had been talking about Koechner as kind of a supporting player. I wanted to kind of run through his his bona fides up to this point.
01:14:30
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Yeah, something i think Another thing that stands out in this movie is a mystery that I've never gotten solved because Bob and David don't really like to talk about it.
01:14:43
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Can't imagine why. Is the the little kid with the special shoes. Why did David Cross dub over his voice?
Humor in 'Run, Ronnie, Run'
01:14:51
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Why? i feel like that's a joke.
01:14:54
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It's fantastic. I love it. It's great. Mr. Roddy, Mr. Roddy. You know what it reminds me of is the Steve Oda Kirk, no relation to Bob Oden Kirk.
01:15:04
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Yeah. It reminds me of the Steve Oda Kirk film ah Kung Pao Enter the Fist is what it reminds me of. Like he's doing very much a chosen kind of like I'm, you know, very stereotypical English dub of a, of an Asian film kind of thing.
01:15:20
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yeah And I feel like just because there's an Asian kid He's dubbing the voice And that's the joke like I feel like that's all there is to it I love their their entire relationship Is just that he wants Ronnie To buy his special shoes But Ronnie wants to find the people What make the special shoes And pay them not to make the special shoes
01:15:45
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And he wants fairies to get him those shoes He wants the fairies so bad Like, was oh, look, Uncle Ronnie, I got my shoes. Shit, I don't care. I don't give a fuck.
01:15:57
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Yeah, that's what it is. Shit, i don't give a fuck. but And David Koechner's in the Iron Lung.
01:16:08
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The escalation of what happens to Clay throughout this film. Like you first meet him on a crutch. Yes. He's just on a crutch. He's like, well, who's that handsome son of a bitch?
01:16:20
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um and And then he like gets, the next time you see him, it's like after the bus accident. he's Yeah, he's got the metal thing on his head.
01:16:31
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And then Odenkirk, Terry backs into him with the car. And so the next time you see him, he's in a wheelchair with the the the the neck brace. Can't feel anything below my chin.
01:16:43
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He's moving it with his mouth, too. He's moving the wheelchair with his mouth. Yeah. Yeah. he's Yeah. The little like Pete pete pete Frampton like yes thing. But it controls the wheelchair.
01:16:53
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Yes. I mean, it's adjacent. I know what you mean. Yes. Adjacent. They look the same. And then then, of course, the next time you see him, he's in the Iron Lung. And then, of course, the last time you see him in the post-credits scene, which I watched just before this recording, um he's he's a brain in a jar. And they're just they open the jar and just dump some beer in Having a champagne jam.
01:17:16
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Having a champagne jam. Speaking of champagne jam, the song Champagne Jam in this film is a remake of the original song and it is performed by none other than one of my former favorite bands and a band that I still like to listen to every once in a while.
01:17:33
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Ween. Oh, you do love Ween. I do love Ween, yes. And I have a Ween tattoo. First tattoo I ever got. I've seen your ween tattoo. It's old enough to drink. You can show it to me a lot more easily now that you don't have a shirt on.
01:17:49
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That's true. I am partially nude. You're just full-on Ronnie Dobbs in it up in here. I You really did. I've got the hairy nipples to prove it, too. You made so much of this movie your personality. It's not even funny. Like, you really did.
01:18:04
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and but it's the No, here's the thing. I didn't make it my personality. It's just they happened to... They happened to... be parallel. Like I was who I was before I saw this movie. It just so happens that it's very similar to some, some of the overarching characteristics of certain characters in this film.
01:18:23
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That's why I think I relate to it so much and I enjoy it so much because I do see a lot of myself in some of these characters. Hopefully the more positive parts. I mean, yeah, you definitely, you definitely, it definitely feels like you have a, um,
01:18:40
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ah kind you You and Ronnie are kindred. let's let it let me Let me give you a little bit of an example of how we're alike and how we're dislike. i I would pee in a jar. You would.
01:18:51
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But I wouldn't put it on the dash of somebody's car and slam the door.
01:19:00
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Which is the first thing we see Ronnie Dobbs doing. That's the difference. that's That's how much like Ronnie Dobbs I am. Like, I will go a certain... Go this far, whereas he goes way weigh the fuck over there with everything. Right.
01:19:14
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We start at the same place is what I'll say. We start at the same place. He just tends to run a little further than you do. Yes. Yes. Yes. ah The scene with the food orator.
01:19:27
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I love that they keep playing that over in a loop. It's just so terrifying. The look on her face like. Oh, um the they just display it on Can you just edit that out with your Hollywood magic? No, I don't think we can.
01:19:45
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And I love that all of Terry's products are just so useless. Like the nickel, his nickel holder, it holds one nickel! The problem with nickels is that you're always losing them! And the problem was with food?
01:20:01
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And what's the number one problems in kitchens today? No one knows. It's food. And you're like, wait, hold on. What the fuck are we talking about here, man? And that's that's the thrilling miracle segment that I, again, is the super pan of my favorite Bob and David sketch. Only British people can fly.
01:20:22
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um I love that he doesn't have an accent. he's He wasn't born with an accent. He's British, but he wasn't born with an accent. Which is itself a comment on how terrible Bob Odenkirk is at accents, really.
01:20:36
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Like, he can really only do a British accent. honestly, he can't do a British accent. Like, his British accent is terrible. He's, like, slipping in and out of it. So it's almost like, ah okay, we need to comment on this.
01:20:49
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um Now, let me ask you, Tucker, because I'm actually very curious about yeah do Do we know what elements of this film that that Cross and Odenkirk object to strongly in this film?
Behind the Scenes Struggles
01:21:03
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like Why is it that they've essentially disowned the theatrical cut of this movie?
01:21:08
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Well, because they they signed up with New Line to do a Mr. Show movie. And when they signed up... To do that, they wanted to do a sketch movie.
01:21:19
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They wanted to do, like, and now for something completely different or The Meaning of Life or it's just interconnected sketches and stuff. New Line did not want to do that. So from the beginning...
01:21:30
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It was a battle. It was an uphill battle. The whole movie was an uphill battle. And I think that might have been why they left that deleted scene out because he does mention like having to fight with the, the, the producers and stuff so much on the film when he's going on this little fourth wall breaking rant.
01:21:51
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I'm realizing that we have not discussed on Mike, the deleted scene that you're referring to. Would you mind talking about discussing that here? So it's not on the internet, so don't even look for it there. Go to your local library and get a copy of the DVD if you want to see this deleted scene. Or just fucking buy it. it It's like five bucks, yeah. You can buy it for like five bucks.
01:22:14
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But it's essentially an extended version of the scene with Jeff Goldblum where they're all talking talking about what they want. And when Terry comes and calls out Ronnie for not being drunk anymore and letting all the children of America down,
01:22:30
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um when Ronnie is whining about the things in his life, he slowly slips out of character and becomes David Cross, bitching about the movie.
01:22:41
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about how the budget is shit. The company that's making it doesn't want to do what they want to do how they're just using all the same people and sets and props from their show. And eventually, which is something he does in the original Ronnie Dobbs. Yes. In the first episode of Mr. So it is a callback to that for sure. So much of this movie is just like an extended version of the sketch. And I feel like that's the weakest element of it. We can get to that here in a second. You you complete what you're talking about. Sorry.
01:23:10
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But then um Terry, or for a second, it's actually Bob, um gets him to drink the beer and he gets his beer goggles on and he gets back into character and and they go get arrested. Yeah.
01:23:27
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Right. I got my beer goggles on now. I'm thinking a lot more clearly. Hey, fucked up dog. Because he always shows up with his other two friends who like barely ever get any lines. They're just there.
01:23:40
Speaker
Right. They're just kind of hanging out, trying to get like Ben Stiller, trying to get the dog to eat vomit that someone vomited. it eat that vomit dog. I got to tell you, a really weird time to try to be eating curry while watching this movie. And I'm just sitting there and I'm looking at the screen and I'm looking at my curry and I'm like, this suddenly became a lot more unappetizing all of a sudden.
01:24:03
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I like that it's just a stray dog. They don't know where it's from, but it still comes with them everywhere. And they just refer to it as fucked up dog. up dog It's one of the gang. Hey, fucked up dog.
01:24:16
Speaker
Yes. Yes, indeed. Yeah. like it Ridiculous. it And again, I feel like... I think a sketch movie would have worked better and in a lot of ways because I feel like this is just an overly bloated version of the sketch from the first episode, which itself took up less than half the episode, if I'm not mistaken.
01:24:40
Speaker
Yeah. yeah Well, I mean, and there are there are more. There's more Ronnie Dobbs than Mr. Show. He's not just in the first episode. so He's a reoccurring character. Like said, that's where we get the... The arc of the show is just that episodes. That element. I mean, you did say the musical section was from another episode.
01:24:59
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Slightly based on it. Yeah. It's kind of one of the only segments that's taken away... That's taken from an episode other than that first episode. They literally just took that narrative device from that first episode and made that the movie. Which...
01:25:16
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Yeah. I don't have a problem with that because I think it's still consistently funny. i think that it's different enough and it improves upon it. enough that for me, it's it's consistently funny. Now, another movie that does that is Tenacious D and the Pick of Destiny.
01:25:32
Speaker
And I think that that's a fantastic movie, too, because all it does is just hits all the same beats as the show they had on HBO tells basically all the same stories, just kind of condenses them and puts them into an hour and a half.
01:25:46
Speaker
Well, you got the origin basically after the origin, you get the stuff from the show. and ah And another thing, I honestly, I would have liked to have seen Bob and David playing more characters.
01:25:56
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Because that's part of the show, is that they're playing like a shit. They're the R&B group. Yes, but those are like the only other couple of characters that they play. I love Bob Odenkirk, too. He doesn't, it's so, like, for the longest time, I didn't know that was him.
01:26:11
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Erotic tangerines, Tucker. Because he's got he's got the face and the long hair and the... Mm-hmm. The pimp hat? Double damn.
01:26:21
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Damn, damn. ah The erotic tangerines and the erotic letter from Ben Vereen. Like, we love it. Ben Vereen. And the letter says, to hot hot lady from Ben Vereen.
01:26:37
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Yes. I mean, there, I think there are so many elements of this movie that work really well, and I'm really glad they were able to get so many of the original cast members back, even if, if they are just in very small roles. think Jill Talley probably has the most to do as Tammy.
01:26:53
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um but then like you get Tom Kenny as the, ah both the guru and the, The reporter that always says the opposite of what he's trying to say.
01:27:05
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And he's... And again, you said that was another character from the show. I feel like if they had been able to kind of work in more elements from the show, I feel like it might have been more successful overall.
01:27:17
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but I think so too, but I really think I like the way that it turned out because you do get a single narrative, but every once in a while, like when you get the the the cut for time, the Jack Black scene, and you get the music video, like every once while, you do get a little sketch in there that's not specifically part of the movie.
01:27:38
Speaker
So it's kind of the best of both worlds. And i know I know because of the experience that Bob and David don't like this movie, but I really think that they should be proud of it because despite itself, despite...
01:27:52
Speaker
Everything that went on behind the scenes of this movie, and and from what I can tell, it was not a good time for anybody. They still made one hell of a funny movie. like there it I barely stopped laughing in this movie.
01:28:06
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sure The majority of this film, I'm at least exhaling sharply through my nose. And at the most, I'm guffawing and having to pause it because like I ah probably have to go pee because I'm laughing so hard.
01:28:17
Speaker
That tracks. I mean, and again, for me, I feel like it's, it's not super successful. Again, it's, I enjoy it because again, I enjoy Bob and David's humor, but like the fact that I would like to see them get to make the movie they wanted to make or a movie similar to that movie.
01:28:35
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um I would love, and again, i love when they work together. I would love to see the two of them get together and try to try to make something new ah in in the form of a film, perhaps. Yeah. um I think that would be phenomenal and I would love to see that.
01:28:49
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um One last thing I will say before we move on to the to the the next part of this, but I... was in during the deepest, darkest era of the pandemic, um the George Lucas talk show, which is a really, really hilarious comedy show, wherein comedian Connor Ratliff plays George Lucas as though he is hosting a talk show, ah which the fact that George Lucas is kind of devoid of personality and that a talk show host needs to have a big personality is just really fucking funny. But they actually get celebrities to be on it.
01:29:21
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And they got they managed to get ah Paul F. Tompkins, And it was it was shortly after with Bob and David came out and they they mentioned to him that he had gotten a special thanks on that on that show.
01:29:35
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And they're like, would you call Bob Odenkirk right now and just say you're welcome? And it was like shortly after he'd had his heart attack on the set of Better Call Saul.
01:29:47
Speaker
And so Paul F. Tompkins like pulls out his cell phone right there on the show and calls him. And it's like, hey, ah Bob, i note i was i'm I'm here on the George Lucas talk show. and and Which, of course, Bob Odenkirk has no idea what the fuck that is.
01:30:02
Speaker
Paul's like, I'm here on the George Lucas talk show. And they pointed at they were very kind to point out to me that you thanked me, ah that I was thanked on the the the credits of with Bob and David. And I just wanted to take this time to say, you're welcome.
01:30:14
Speaker
And Bob's like, you know... it's about fucking time. He's like, you put that shit out there and you don't know if people notice. And it's just so good that it got and in like it.
01:30:25
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And then he is like, it's a very short call. He hangs up. Cause again, he's in convalescence and the producer of the show goes, I guys, i I think that's his first appearance since his heart attack. I think we got that.
01:30:38
Speaker
Nice. Which is just very, and of course, Paul F. Tompkins has like a blink and you miss it cameo in this movie as the safari guy on TV. Which is surprising, but he must have had like scheduling issues or something because he's such a big part of the show.
01:30:53
Speaker
He is. He is. Absolutely. And he's one of the cops that arrests Roddy Dobbs in the very first episode. Like, and I think because this movie comes out the exact same year as Master of Disguise. so i'm pretty sure Jay Johnston couldn't do this movie because he was in Master of Disguise.
01:31:09
Speaker
yeah Because I feel like they probably would have tried to get him otherwise.
Comedy Interconnections
01:31:13
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um But yeah, like everybody else. i And I was telling you before we started recording, I think January 6th participant Jay Johnston is the only actor, like one ah ah one of the main crew of actors that is not in this movie.
01:31:29
Speaker
Agreed. um There is someone else. I can see them, but I can't tell you. what's That's wild. I'm looking on IMDb and at first that pops up is there's Jack Black. ah from this movie because he's doing that ah Anaconda movie. Have you heard about this? You seen this, Steven?
01:31:46
Speaker
The Anaconda with Black and Paul Rudd? ah That's wild. I'm pretty excited, but I didn't know until recently what that even was. John Ennis.
01:31:57
Speaker
That's who. John Ennis is in it. He's bartender. he's he's the bartender Where, like, Bob Odenkirk is, like... Terry is, like, just, like, calling him names the whole time. He's like, hey, man. Knock that shit off. And, like, throws him out of the bar. That's right. But, he yeah, he's just... That's it, though.
01:32:15
Speaker
That's it. No. Like, it's a small role, but he's in it. Like, he's... Outside of Bob and David, he's probably the one who... is in the most shit in Mr. Show. John Ennis is like a, a structural support beam of Mr. Show.
01:32:31
Speaker
I will say this, looking at the Mr. Show IMDb page, other than he is the only person other than Bob Odenkirk and David Cross to be in all 30 episodes of Mr. Show. Yeah.
01:32:43
Speaker
Yep. Like Jay Johnston is the next one and he's only been in 28. Paul F. Tompkins, 27. Jill Talley, 26. Like, and it just keeps going down from there. Yeah. Yeah, like what a what a time for comedy. I mean, all those guys coming up together. You've got like you've got Ben Stiller and his crew, and you've got Bob and David and his crew, you've got Tenacious And they all know each – ow, they all know each other and do stuff with each other. Yeah. i mean therere those those three shows are – I always kind of think of them in the same breath. Like they're all kind of interconnected and so many of those people, maybe it was because of David Cross. I don't know. But so many of those people went on to do Arrested Development.
01:33:25
Speaker
Like guest spots, major, minor, like Becky Tire is in there. Jerry Minor, Jay Johnston, ah Bob Odenkirk, as I mentioned earlier, like so many people from that group did go on to do shit on, on Arrested Development as well. And that's a show that I adore inside, outside, forward and backwards. I love Arrested Development and always will.
01:33:46
Speaker
Yeah, I i would. Me too. And I will even defend the latter seasons. I defend season four. I think in season five is indefensible, but that's me. OK, I like that we get Gene. I like that we get Gene Smart in there, though.
01:34:02
Speaker
that That I like. yeah Yeah, that's always a win. Absolutely. Gene Smart is a treasure of the national variety. Tucker, anything else you want to say about Run, Ronnie, Run, Mr. Show? Any of this before we move on to the box office game?
01:34:17
Speaker
ah I really, really like it. And if you haven't seen it, i would recommend it. It right now it is on it's rentable. I found it on YouTube and almost in its entirety. So you can check that out there. It's also on the Internet Archive. You can watch it there as well.
01:34:34
Speaker
I just don't think that anybody who has any rights this film really gives a fuck what happens to it, because i this is a weird case. This is a weird case where I find a movie that I think is just fantastic.
01:34:47
Speaker
And it doesn't go anywhere. Usually when I discover something, it starts to gain a bit of a following. Like Poodie Tang was slow and steady, but eventually we've got a big following for Poodie Tang.
01:34:58
Speaker
But back when I was watching it, it was just me and the girl I was dating at the time. We're the only two motherfuckers watching that movie. And this movie, it's just never, and nothing's ever happened to it. It's always just remained just sort of Nobody knows about it Nobody gives a shit. Nobody wants to give it a chance.
01:35:15
Speaker
That's kind of where where we come from on this one. I think it's a shame, and I'm hoping one day... um And I'm not implying that like I have some supernatural power to make people like things.
01:35:29
Speaker
It's more that I usually find things right before they find their audience. Like just a few seconds before. You're the ultimate. it's like oh hey Yes. not Not on purpose.
01:35:41
Speaker
Just naturally that way. ah So this this movie premiered at the Sundance Film Festival in January 20th in the year of our Lord, 2002. I'm going to go with the following box office weekend of January 25th, 2002, for the box office on this one, because as mentioned, it did not get a really wide any kind of theatrical release outside of Sundance.
Exploring 'The Mothman Prophecies'
01:36:04
Speaker
so And I can't find the the DVD numbers for it at all. So we're just going to go with that ah January weekend.
01:36:12
Speaker
At number one at the box office, retaining its number one position in its fifth week is the Ridley Scott film Black Hawk Down. oh people love that movie. They do.
01:36:23
Speaker
My dad loves that movie. It's a dad movie. That is 100% a dad movie. That's a dad movie and like a social studies teacher movie. Yeah. Yeah. Um, in, in second place, Cuba Gooding juniors. Is that his, I don't know if this is his followup to Jerry Maguire, but it's definitely a movie he made after he won his Oscar snow dogs.
01:36:42
Speaker
Oh boy. Yeah. Uh, in third place, the, uh, it's the number one, it's opening new this weekend. Uh, at third at number three, Come on now. little I'm a little drunk my own self. um At number three, a Walk to Remember ah based on, I believe, that is that a John Green novel? I don't fucking care. Who cares? Not me.
01:37:05
Speaker
No, John Green was too young at that point. Okay. ah I'll defer. ah In fourth place, the movie that would go on to win the Oscar here in a few months, Ron Howard's A Beautiful Mind has been in theaters for about six weeks at this point.
01:37:20
Speaker
ah In fifth place, one of the weirdest supporting roles from Luis Guzman I've ever seen, the Count of Monte Cristo, ah though I do think that is a good movie. Jim Caviezel, Guy Pearce, and I think he's third build in the movie, Luis Guzman.
01:37:34
Speaker
Fucking love that dude, though. Love Luis Guzman. ah In sixth place, The Mothman Prophecies, also opening new this week. Oh, I like that one. I love a good Richard Gere.
01:37:47
Speaker
And I like The Mothman Prophecies because it's it's one of the few films that... Because that film, The Mothman Prophecies, is a story, a fictional story that they wrote around a nonfiction book.
01:38:04
Speaker
Because the book, the Mothman prophecies, there's no story to it. It's just it's just the recordings of the eyewitness accounts, alleged accounts of, you know, the that whatever was in Point Pleasant in the 50s and caused the Silver Bridge to collapse.
01:38:19
Speaker
Sure. And so they just took all of that info and they made a story into it. And normally that does not work for me. So you don't care for the film adaptation?
01:38:32
Speaker
i love because that's essential That's essentially what adaptation is too. Yes, I understand that. I'm just saying usually for me, that sort of thing doesn't work. um But that movie actually got me way into John Keel.
01:38:45
Speaker
And John Keel is the man who wrote the Mothman prophecies. He also wrote a really good book called The Complete Guide to Mysterious Beings. And he is also in the afterword of that book. He explains the supernatural in the most believable for me way.
01:39:05
Speaker
that i've ever i still don't believe in any of that shit but his explanation makes the most sense to me is what i'll say yeah fair um i i always get that movie confused with the other movie that with another movie that came out in 2002 the kevin costner film dragonfly i'm always like mothman prophecies is that the one kevin costner like no richard geer and i'm like oh okay okay okay Steven, speaking of John Keel, the writer of the book, there's a character in the movie who is has the same profession as John Keel, a a ah college professor and someone who um ah investigates the supernatural and the paranormal and all that.
01:39:46
Speaker
He is played by our good buddy, Brian Cox. I love that man. And he is also an adaptation. Brian Cox. His name is Dr. Leak.
01:39:57
Speaker
which is keel backwards. Nice. And I think that's a really cool. Also, I always love a good Richard Gere. I'll say it again. You do. You do, and you did, and you have, and you will. Animal Fear, Officer and Gentleman, fuck, man. Come on, Chicago, get out of here.
01:40:13
Speaker
He's really good in Chicago. At number seven this week, up from 50th the week before I think it's finally opening. What? Yeah, it's in 1,268 theaters, and added 1,267 this week. It's the film that would earn Sean Penn an Oscar nomination, but grace mercifully not a win.
01:40:27
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Sam.
01:40:31
Speaker
ah it's ah the the film that would earn ah sean penn an oscar nomination but grace mercifully not a win i am sam A movie that does not hold up. Not only a cringy movie, but a cringy soundtrack.
01:40:46
Speaker
he Yeah. All those poorly redone Beatles songs. There are a couple tracks. i like love I love the Eddie Vedder Hide Your Love Away. That's the one I that's the one i will stand for.
01:40:58
Speaker
That's the one I will stand by. Was the Fiona Apple one on that one too, or did she do that outside of that? Oh, I have no idea. I had friends in college that really loved that, um that soundtrack. And I thought it was just okay.
01:41:14
Speaker
um At that. And now I, now I pretty much don't stand for any part of that movie. um Although I, I will stump for Dakota fanning cause she's great. In eighth place, ah we have the Lord of the Rings, the fellowship of the ring down from number three, the week before in its six weeks, it's already earned over $250 million.
01:41:35
Speaker
um And then in ninth place, a movie I referenced earlier in this episode, a little movie called Kung Pao Enter the Fist, opening new this week at number nine.
01:41:47
Speaker
And then in 10th place, another movie I've mentioned on this fucking episode, Tucker, a little movie starring one Jack Black and his King Kong co-star Colin Hanks ah down from five the week before in its third weekend. It's Orange County.
01:42:03
Speaker
Orange County, yes. ah Now, it is fair to mention, even though we did the numbers from when it premiered at Sundance, this movie did sit on the shelf for two years.
01:42:13
Speaker
That's why I'm saying nobody, that's why it's on the Internet Archive, that's why you can watch it on YouTube, because nobody who has any skin in the Run Ronnie Run game gives a fuck about that movie or what happens to it.
01:42:26
Speaker
They didn't then. want me They don't now. you want me to do the weekend from the week it actually came out on DVD? No. No. Because I can do that too. That's enough, Steven.
01:42:36
Speaker
Because that's the following year on September 2003. I won't do it. um The Tomatometer score for Run, Ronnie, Run is a 71%. Which is surprisingly fair.
01:42:51
Speaker
be Right. There is no critics consensus for this movie. but 71% fresh and 72% audience score. So people like this movie, generally speaking, uh, the meta score is a 57 based or based on mixed or average reviews from nine different critics.
01:43:07
Speaker
Tucker, would you care to take a stab at the letterbox score for 2022 or for 2002s rather? Excuse me. Run Ronnie run.
01:43:19
Speaker
It's going to be a shot in the dark because I don't, oops, careful there. I don't, uh, I don't really think that the people who are writing the meme-y reviews on Letterboxd are the type of people who enjoy this kind of humor.
01:43:35
Speaker
Probably not. It's too sophisticated for them, Steven.
01:43:42
Speaker
Yeah, we made a a cottage out of cheese. We'll get them a little cheese cottage. You're something to make them jealous. um You can eat the whole thing except the bottom. That's cardboard. That's cardboard.
01:43:58
Speaker
Oh, man. Oh, wow. I love it when people fuck around and make a really great movie. Accidentally make a really great movie when no one's trying or no one cares. um I'm going to say, i'm shot in the dark. I'm just going to play it safe and say between 2.7 3.2.
01:44:17
Speaker
It's a 3.0. You pretty much got it right yeah right in between there. So yeah, you you pretty much nailed it on that one. Well done. um out of Out of five stars, how many are you giving to Run, Ronnie, Run, Tucker? Now, I am going to give Run, Ronnie, Run four stars.
01:44:36
Speaker
Because, though I do think it is a perfect film, I also... i They really... Really fucked up by not putting the extended version of the guru scene in there because it's perfect. I don't think it would have affected the pacing at all.
01:44:57
Speaker
It's fantastic. um This only gets four stars for me because you can see the cracks in this movie. right you can see that sometimes that maybe fuckers just don't want to be there. Like they're really not having a great time. And that, that sucks.
01:45:14
Speaker
No, I do love how they lampoon that during the credits, best credit sequence ever. Cause you're expecting bloopers and they are bloopers, but it's always David cross just getting hurt more progressively more hurt. And he's just like,
01:45:27
Speaker
And the one where the camera thumb walks up on him and he's like, get her the fuck off the set. He's like, he smiles. Yeah. Smiles. oh man. The old lady just pummels the shit out of him. Yeah. yeah Oh, and he's got that one tequila, two tequila, three tequila floor shirt on.
01:45:44
Speaker
yes And then, and then stands up, walks over to the old lady and you can hear him say through his, his mic, his love mic, it's called acting. And they just walk off. Yeah.
01:45:55
Speaker
i I mean, one of the best bits in this whole movie is the bit they play during the credits. Yeah. i will I will say that. It's great bit, for sure. That's a four-star movie for me. It's a three-star for me, again, because, again, i find ah i find ah I take a bit more umbrage with the fact that you can see the cracks, i the fact that we're not really able to get...
01:46:20
Speaker
the the film that they wanted to make, that it feels – there's a note of bitterness in this thing. And I i feel like – while the satire I feel like works, it almost feels tacked on to me as well.
01:46:34
Speaker
And like trying to blow up a single sketch into full feature film – into a full-featture film it becomes a little unwieldy and difficult to manage. And while I, while I am having a lot of fun throughout um it, ultimately like, I can't, I'm not going to put, you know, put a rose on a pig and call it a, you know, call it ah a beautiful dame or whatever, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's deeply flawed, but I still had a good time. So it's, it's, it's better than just okay.
01:47:04
Speaker
ah But it's not quite great in my mind. yeah So yeah, three stars for me. Yeah. which makes our average for this episode of three and a half for run, Ronnie run. That's what we're tacking onto it.
01:47:15
Speaker
Um, and that Tucker appears to be our episode on the 2002 Mr. Show. mr show um film, Mr. Show movie.
01:47:29
Speaker
Mr. Show movie. Yeah. And, and also Tucker, that's the end of sketch timber. Uh, and if I'm, if I'm checking this correctly, we've got, we've got spooky thon kicking off next month.
01:47:40
Speaker
Our annual spooky thon. Oh shit. Steven. Our sixth annual Spooky-thon. We've been doing this since 2020. Spooky-thon. And we've got a theme for Spooky-thon. You'll find out what that is next week. Of course, if you're one of our patrons, you'll find out on the 1st of October.
01:47:58
Speaker
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01:48:13
Speaker
If I remember to post it, which I will probably have to do as soon as I'm done with this recording. ah But you also get ah just days and days worth of content behind that paywall.
01:48:24
Speaker
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01:49:02
Speaker
and if you like us, we would sure appreciate that. Uh, so that's, that's, I think that's all the plugs, uh, for myself. I am your host, Stephen Foxworthy. You can find me on blue sky and letterboxd at chewy walrus.
01:49:18
Speaker
Um, God, so many other things. This is, um I am in a play that opens this yeah tomorrow as of the release of this episode. um In Mokina, Illinois, at the Front Street Theater there on ah Front Street, the main drag there in Mokina, Illinois.
01:49:35
Speaker
I'm in Inherit the Wind. I'm playing the Reverend Jeremiah Brown. Hear me talk in a southern accent and preach fire and or brimstone, depending on my mood that day. um Tickets are still available, but selling fast. You can buy those at CCC Theater. That's theater with an R-E dot com.
01:49:52
Speaker
If you're in the Chicagoland area for the next two weekends and want to stop in, that would be awesome. First weekend is almost entirely sold out. I think there's as of last check, five tickets available.
01:50:03
Speaker
And honestly, those may be sold out. So maybe next weekend will be your best bet. Um, you can, uh, I'll straight up. Maybe. Um, I also want to shout out Wells university, the podcast I do. I mentioned earlier in this episode with a friend of the show, hope style.
01:50:18
Speaker
Um, My schedule did not permit me to record the most recent episode. So, oops, my bad. We're going to get caught up as soon as we can and get back on our regular ah recording schedule. This play is a lot.
01:50:31
Speaker
um But ah check out new episodes. We drop those every couple of weeks as we're able. ah And if you... are at all interested, even tangentially in the life and work of Orson Welles, it will be an engaging listen for you. I'm sure.
01:50:46
Speaker
ah So check that out again. It's called Wells university. You can find that wherever you get your podcast as well. And also I should mention that friend of ah the show, JP Leck has recently tasked me with ah starring in the Halloween special for the endless elsewhere podcast. You can see me on, hear me on that and also see me in the upcoming sequel to circle city supernatural.
01:51:08
Speaker
going to, Circle City Supernatural 2, which again, Tucker and Brett are both in as well. Dang. we're not in a scene together. Maybe next time, maybe for the third one, he'll let us be in a scene together. That would be too much fun.
01:51:22
Speaker
um And maybe we can play versions of ourselves because a version of the, end of of the disenfranchised podcast does exist in the endless elsewhere universe. That's Canon at an end point of fact. So fingers crossed that that can happen, but yeah, be on the lookout for that. I believe that should be hitting streaming services before the end of the year.
01:51:40
Speaker
So check that out. And to Tucker, where can we find you these days? The same places as always. I'm on the Instagrams and YouTube at ice 909.
01:51:52
Speaker
I-C-E-N-I-N-E, the number zero and the number nine. Also, Tuck Mugs still exists and gets updated every once a while. Tuck underscore mugs on Instagrams.
01:52:03
Speaker
And that's... That is our episode. Wait, you guys. wait so what What? Just real quick, i i I told Jimmy I'd do this. um Jimmy was going to be on the episode this week, but he had a hot date tonight.
01:52:17
Speaker
And like I get it. My man's got a hot date. So, cool. Sorry, I'm not to call Jimmy. Get it, Evan. There you go. let's How dare you, Steven? I'll bleep that out for sure. um
01:52:31
Speaker
It's insulting, Steven. um The fact that you call him by one name that we're not allowed to refer to him to is that is what is insulting. But I didn't make the rules. I didn't make the rules. OK, you exclusively make the rules, Tucker.
01:52:44
Speaker
No, Jimmy makes the rules. He's the one who decrees that I'm the only one allowed to call him Jimmy. That's not a that's not a me rule. That's a him rule. You got take it up with the man. Speaking of the man, my good friend Jimmy, a.k.a. Evan Wilson, um has just put out his sophomore album under his his moniker The Grand Voodoo Band.
01:53:08
Speaker
The record is called Citrus Nights. It's available on all of the streaming services, and it's really, really good. There are some songs on there that I maybe had a hand in developing. One specifically was My Idea.
01:53:25
Speaker
boy ah So yes, I feel like I'm involved. Not only that, but... um Jimmy and I are are each other's closest musical buddies.
01:53:37
Speaker
So whenever we're doing anything like we're each other's first person to send like rough mixes and stuff to. So I have heard I've been listening to this record for almost three years now.
01:53:51
Speaker
Nice. Because that's how long he's been working on it. I've heard all the demos. I've heard all the different mixes. I've heard the songs that did not make it to this record. And i have heard the final product several times before it released. It released on the 16th.
01:54:05
Speaker
So if you're interested in experimental psychedelic music that um doesn't really fit a specific genre. I would recommend that you check it out.
01:54:18
Speaker
Citrus Knights by Grand Voodoo Band. It's on all the major streamers. Also on Bandcamp, SoundCloud, and all that other bullshit. So there you go. You're welcome, Jimmy. no And we're going to try to have Evan on soon.
01:54:33
Speaker
Yeah, probably in a couple weeks, probably. Fingers crossed we'll have we'll be able to have him on sooner rather than later. Unless his date goes really well, then his schedule might get real busy. You know what saying? know. Okay. All right. Okay.
01:54:46
Speaker
I don't know what that was, but I appreciated it. You know, i just I just wanted to kind of share your excitement. um At any rate, that is our episode on 2002 film run Ronnie, Run, and...
01:54:59
Speaker
and our sketch timber theme month. We got again, our annual theme month, a spooky thon coming up next month. We got a theme tune in next week to see what that is, or subscribe at the $5 level at patreon.com slash just in French pod.
01:55:14
Speaker
I'm your host, Stephen Foxworthy for Tucker in the absent Brett, right? Again, thoughts and prayers and titillitis is a killer until next time. i want my money back and I want angels to give it to me. and pixies to count it out, and a gnome or a hobbit or an elf to sleep at the foot of my bed and have... I just want them all over my backyard.
01:55:32
Speaker
But no matter what happens to any of that, I do want my money back, Tucker. Give me my fucking money back. I'll see you in hell, Steven. Hey, do something real bad so I see you hell, okay?
01:55:45
Speaker
Bad chance.
01:55:57
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Thank you.