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“Please don't blow up… please don't blow up…”
Fantastic Four: First Steps is out this weekend so we're rounding out our Fantastic Four miniseries with this studio compromised 2015 film that reminds Tucker of Blair Witch 2: Book of Shadows and Stephen of Man of Steel! We talk body horror, M. Night Shyamalan, and one area that every F4 movie falls short on! Check it out!
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Introduction to Film Franchise Discussion
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I'll say good for you.
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The end of your world is the beginning of the disenfranchised podcast, that podcast that knows the answers to questions you don't even know to ask.
Failed Franchises Analysis
00:00:31
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But also that podcast all about those franchises of one, those films that fancy themselves full-fledged franchises before falling flat on their face after the first film. I'm your host, Stephen Foxworthy.
00:00:42
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Joining me as always, oh, I'm sorry. um i've I've just received a note here. There is no Tucker. There is only Doom. How are we doing tonight, man? Hello, Steven. How is that not an homage to the Ghostbusters? It has to be. It has to right? has to As soon as he said there is no Victor, I'm like, yeah, there's only Zul. I mean, Doom.
00:01:03
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yeah i just get Right. Yeah. A hundred percent. One of the many, many things this movie just ham fistedly wields at you and expects you to go, you know, just like giddy girl clap all the way through it. And boy, does it miscalculate all of those moments.
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I don't know. I think it's a little... um it's What's the word I'm looking for? Where you don't know the ending to Ironheart. um i didn't where i use It's a word I use all the time.
00:01:36
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Miscalibrated? No, it's where you don't know. Maybe you don't know exactly what happened. It starts with an Ignore? you dummy. like... no you dummy no like
00:01:51
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I'm trying to help you. You're the one that can't think of your own word. it doesn't matter. it's Don't insult me just because you're having a moment. It's, you know, I read an article the other day, Stephen, online, actually. No, don't or read.
00:02:09
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And it said that if you regularly use marijuana, it can negatively affect your memory. Can you believe that? Can you believe that?
00:02:20
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That sounds like something if I read it, I'd probably forget. That's I'd never heard that before. He said, really? Wow. new new studies or New studies are showing things that happen that have been studied already.
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Ambiguous. The line was ambiguous. That's the word I was looking for. the yes that word that famously starts with an eye but i Yes, obviously. Well, at least it's a vowel. I was close.
00:02:48
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You were in the ballpark. Unfortunately, you were on the other side of the stadium. but Yeah. In line to buy a hot dog, but yeah. No, I think it's ambiguous because it's not exactly the line.
00:03:01
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So... I don't know. I liked it. I thought it was kind of like out of left field. i was like, wait, was that? I guess it could. It probably was, but maybe it it has to be. It has to be. There's no way you think that it is. Otherwise, I think that it is.
Fantastic Four 2015 Film Overview
00:03:16
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Anyway, as the second part of our two part Fantastic Four miniseries, we are covering Josh Trank's 2015 film. Excuse me. Josh Trank's 2015 film Fan Four Stick.
00:03:30
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um Starring, I'm sorry, Fantastic Four. God, the the the the the use of the letter and number four as the letter A is inexcusable.
00:03:43
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um Miles Good idea about execution. I mean, pretty much consistently. ah Miles Teller, Michael B. Jordan, Kate Mara, Jamie Bell, Toby Kebbell, who else is in this thing? Reg E. Kathy, Dirty Dog himself, Tim Blake, Nelson. Dirty D. Dirty D, my apologies. I don't watch that movie as religiously as you do.
00:04:06
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I mean, it's a simple character name. You might get eaten, bitch.
00:04:14
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I was going to say, I just know there's going to be an extended Dirty D riff somewhere in this episode. Because Tucker is incapable of helping himself. I wanted him to call somebody a maggot-eating bitch. That would have been fantastic.
00:04:29
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Here's the thing. There's only one role that really lends itself well to that. ah You also get a couple cameos from ah Dan Castellaneta, Jim Heidecker, and unless my eyes deceived me, Chet Hanks.
00:04:44
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Yeah, dude. What a cast, Tucker. God, i I can't even bring myself to say it, but contractually I'm obligated. What a picture. I'll tell you what, this is a weird one.
00:04:56
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And I'm not sure if it's good weird or bad weird, but I'm thinking that it might be a Blair Witch 2 kind of situation. Okay, and you mentioned that before we started recording, and I guess I don't know your history with Blair Witch 2 enough to know what that means. So if you would not mind elucidating on that for a moment, ah to kind of bring us all up to speed with kind of your early thoughts on this one.
00:05:20
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So Blair Witch 2 is not a good movie. No, Book of Shadows, i believe. It's actually a bad movie, objectively, but... Aggressively. But...
00:05:32
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Like, I see what they were going for. i see the potential in it. And just to know that the studio fucked with it so much, I gotta believe...
00:05:44
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that it was originally going to be really good.
Fantastic Four: Horror Elements and Editing Issues
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And that's the same with this movie. I see the potential there. Like, I get i get that it's... ah The reason they made it was, like, all the dark remakes. They wanted to do a dark Fantastic Four.
00:05:59
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But they did something even darker. They made this a horror movie, Stephen. This is a straight-up horror movie. Yes. From start to fucking finish. Like, there's no jump scares.
00:06:11
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But um this is... yeah It's a horror movie. And like, i body horror I love how that was implemented. It wasn't always, well, I'll take that back. It wasn't always executed well, but I can see, i could see where they were, what they were trying to do with it. And I have to believe once again, that without all the studio meddling, we would meddling, it probably still would have bombed.
00:06:38
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But I think it would probably have a cult following. Like people would be digging this movie. It would be a Snyderverse situation for sure. Yeah, because there's some really cool ideas in this.
00:06:51
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And you can just, just by the editing alone in this movie, you can see how cut up it is. And how many reshoots were done. And how many times they changed this and changed that. It's a fucking mess. Anytime Kate Mara has her hair pulled back, it's a reshoot.
00:07:04
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i just I see so much rad shit in here. it It could have been so good. And now I'm not sure if I like it yet or not. Because I didn't get to re i was going to rewatch it because I was so just curious about it, really. Like I said, it's not a good movie.
00:07:22
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But it stuck with me because it i I had never thought... of the Fantastic Four. It's a horror movie, but it lends itself to that so well. Especially if you're going to spend the entire time on the origin story and nothing happens.
00:07:37
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Because nothing happens in this movie. Not one thing happens in this movie. It's so fucking maddening. It's so fucking maddening. Nothing happens. Nothing happens. Oh my God. I, this, this movie, see, you said it was a Blair Witch two for you. It's a man of steel for me.
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And unlike Blair Witch two, which we have not covered on this podcast, we have absolutely covered man of steel. And if you go back just two episodes, you can figure it. You can find my thoughts on that movie. I think this movie, this movie owes a lot to man of steel. I will say,
00:08:11
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um Hiring a guy like Josh Trank to make your Fantastic Four movie is like hiring a Zack Snyder to make your Superman movie.
00:08:22
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The previous film that was made by this director doesn't really have anything that can connect them to the source material, but it's comic book adjacent or so it superhero adjacent.
00:08:35
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And so on paper, they're a good fit. In execution, though, there's nothing in those stories that lends themselves to the characters that you're wanting them to adapt. And so what you end up with is something that goes so...
00:08:49
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diametrically opposed to what the spirit of the comic book is, that what you end up with is just a steaming hot mess. I agree with you, but I think that this film, not only would it probably wouldn't have had so much studio meddling or meddling in, in general, but if they had just made this its own thing and you know, it's got the bones of the fantastic four. So it's like an homage, you know,
00:09:18
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But they they lean into the horror. I think that – No, I'm saying make it not the Fantastic Four. but Make it an obvious homage to Fantastic Four and then make this fucking movie proper.
00:09:32
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And see, here's the thing is there have been adaptations of Fantastic Four-style characters.
Family Dynamics in Fantastic Four
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The Incredibles, many people have said, is the best Fantastic Four movie. yeah. yeah Yeah. And basically you've got everything but the fire character and you just give the kid super speed, but he's essentially your Johnny Storm because he's the hothead.
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um You've got the person that turns invisible. you've got the person that stretches and you got the guy that's super strong. Like it's all there on but even the name, the Incredibles Fantastic Four. Like it's it's kind of right there.
00:10:02
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um And they're at the core of family. this there there There's no family dynamic here. Even between the two, they're supposed to be siblings. There's no family dynamic. It's just kind of like this weird like, hey, haven't seen you in a while. Yeah, don't get used to it.
00:10:17
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Hey, I miss you though. Yeah, I kind of miss you too. Like that's it. That's the extent. And then, you know, and in interviews for this movie – they People were asking, like, Michael B. Jordan and Kate Mara, like, ah you guys are supposed to be siblings. how How does that work? Like, we shouldn't have to explain that.
00:10:32
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Like, we're not to explain that. We're not to about it. and then the movie, like, bends over backwards to explain and there's a white girl and a black guy that are brother and sister. Because it can't just, like, leave it and let the audience try to figure it out.
00:10:47
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Like, it now it's it's maddening. It's maddening, Tucker. This movie is makes me so upset. you know You know what movie handles that well?
00:10:59
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oh Scream 5. Because Billy Loomis is very white. Yep. And his daughter is mixed with something.
00:11:11
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I don't know. But they why do we need to address that? Melissa Barrera is a Latina actress, but yes. like We don't need that explained. like We're adults. We understand that that people date people of different races and marry people of different races. like You don't have to explain that. We get it. Slow down there, Mr. Progressive Police.
00:11:33
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When did you turn woke, Tucker? no when and When I watched this before they explained it, I was like, oh, so she's adopted. Got it. and Then they spent five minutes like talking about it.
00:11:45
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I assumed she was adopted. Give your audience some credit. itll be Yeah. If it weren't that simple, do. Please tell me if it's some weird thing that I should know about.
00:11:57
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But I'm assuming she's adopted. and she's adopted She's got... She doesn't have long hair in that scene, if I recall correctly. Which means... That was a reshoot. That was not reshoot. Reshoot!
00:12:09
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Again, anytime Kate Mara's got her hair purled back in a bun, that's a reshoot. And she will go through multiple hairstyles within the course of a scene... Because this, oh God, they they there was no attention to continuity in those reshoots and it it just aggravates me so much. I feel i feel sorry for this movie.
00:12:28
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Because as I just said before, like i I get what you're saying that that this is not a good interpretation of these characters and that's why I suggest, you know, make it an original thing. and well And that's what Trank's first movie was. I'm just saying, it's so cool. Future episode of this podcast, Chronicle.
00:12:45
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Like Chronicle is that. Chronicle is that. That's... We've got our our good buddy, ah past and future guest, Devon Taylor on for that episode because fits into his niche of like non-comic book superhero shit. um but in And Josh Trank struck me as one of those guys who was like, Ryan Coogler is going to be, or not Ryan Coogler, because Ryan Coogler does this too, Michael B. Jordan is going to be my guy.
00:13:08
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And then after this movie, Michael B. Jordan is like, I'm good, man. I'm out. like Sorry. i'm yeah i We tried. We tried. We tried. Because he's not in the movie. Always have the good times.
00:13:20
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What's the other Josh Trank movie? I have no idea. It's not Capone, but it's like a kind of similar – is it Capone? I think it's about Al Capone, but it's not called Capone. maybe it is.
00:13:34
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it's got it's It's whatever the guy's name is. Whatever the guy's last name is, is what it's called. And it is called... It is Capone. Tom Hardy plays Al Capone.
00:13:45
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Oh, man. Now I have to watch it. I watched... it It came out during the pandemic, and I remember watching it during the pandemic and thinking, this is not great. That's too bad. i love me some Tom Hardy. Tom Hardy be elevating shit, though.
00:14:00
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love you. Don't get me wrong. Like Venom movies, for example. Like... I don't think even he could have saved that third one. but no No, I shut it off 20 minutes in, man. I didn't even get that far. I didn't even watch the damn thing. And after hearing the reviews, I don't know that I ever will, unless I just want to be a Spider-Verse completionist. But that means, Tucker, that I'm going to have to fucking rewatch Madam Web. And I refuse.
00:14:22
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I fucking refuse to rewatch Madam Web. I kind of like that one. I know you did, because you're a fucking madman. No, I didn't even expect to either. I went into it thinking this is going to be trash. And it was trash, but it was kind of the kind of trash I like. so It was your kind of trash. you like godlash You kind of like trash sometimes.
00:14:41
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Sometimes, yeah. i but I have a very unique taste in films. And it's it's completely unpredictable because there's shit like Howard the Duck that I'm going to be like, Tucker's going to love this shit. And Tucker's like, this is the worst.
00:14:55
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But I kind of like Fantalforstic. Yeah. Yeah. And then you come in with that take. And and again, like I just i have to think on some level it's because you're not that big of ah of a of a comics fan or at least not a big Fantastic Four fan.
00:15:09
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Yeah. I'm not. Well, and that that would that would make sense for the last two comic books. Well, the this and Man of Steel, like I know the Fantastic Four are. I know the things about them that I should, and I've read comics that they're in, ah mostly What If.
00:15:30
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um And the same is true for Superman. You said the Marvel Zombies is like the one Fantastic Four comic that you own and it's part of the compendium.
00:15:41
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ah Yes, it's the it's the issue of Ultimate Fantastic Four that introduces the Marvel Zombies. Right, which is a great fucking issue because the whole time you think he's going to meet the Reed Richards from the 616 and then it's the zombie Reed Richards and it that that ending is a fucking gut punch and it it rules. It rules so hard.
00:16:04
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It's real good, even without the context of the the issues that came before it. I think that it's rad, but it's Fantastic Four. It's just like Superman. Like, I don't I just don't really care. Like, I don't dislike Fantastic Four. I just don't really care either way. Like, if they're there, cool.
00:16:20
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If they're not, also cool. Right. Whatevs. um I mean, I they are the I would say the most prominent and important super team in Marvel history, despite the fact that X-Men and Avengers have now kind of surpassed them in terms of just like overall supremacy and popularity within the culture. Yeah. The Fantastic Four is the first super team.
00:16:41
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Like it's the first dedicated super team and they are they're called Marvel's first family like they are a family. Reed and Sue are married. Johnny is her brother, his brother in law. And Ben is his like childhood friend that they grew up together and they're as close as brothers like and they fight like family. They bicker like family there. They have those family dynamics and they get through things as a family.
Fantastic Four Storytelling and Critique
00:17:04
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They've got kids, Franklin and Alaria Richards. Like there's like the the way that that has grown. John, if if you're going to read a run on Fantastic Four, Tucker. I'm going to recommend Jonathan.
00:17:16
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ah You should. and i would recommend jonathan Jonathan Hickman's run on Fantastic Four from the 2010s. I think late 2000s, early 2010s is a great fucking run that I think really captures. And it it throws you in the deep end.
00:17:35
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Like there's a lot of shit in there that happens. um But it also kind of gives you the pieces you need to establish the connections between everybody. And that is the run that opens the door for what becomes, what is going to end this phase of the MCU, Secret Wars, as well.
00:17:52
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So, I mean, you've got... it's It's the basic building blocks for for what the MCU is building to currently. um So, again, I'm... I'm a big proponent of that run. I think it's really great.
00:18:05
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He follows that up immediately with a run on Avengers that is really acclaimed. And again, massive and sprawling. The guy's, the guy does Epic very well. Um, but his run on the fantastic four, I think really helps embody those characters while also allowing them to explore some kind of deeper, darker put things, uh, as well. So if you like the darker elements of this, you might enjoy that run also.
00:18:31
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Um, But I mean, as they've been established in the comics, like there are things that are familiar about these characters on on the screen, but the dynamics are just off. Like you get a little bit of the the Ben and Johnny bickering, but not...
00:18:48
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and Well, I think the problem with this is this is it's an origin. It's an origin movie. But when you do an origin movie, you spend the first act on the origin and then you move on to something else.
00:19:02
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This whole all three acts is the origin. All three acts and there nothing happens. One movie that has done. The superhero origin as an entire movie that has worked, I think, really Batman Begins?
00:19:16
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No. That's my favorite of that trilogy. Ooh, that's a good movie. Boy, I tell you what. that is ah That is a pretty wild take, but yeah. Because The Dark Knight is right there.
00:19:28
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It's real good. No, it's ah M. Night Shyamalan's Unbreakable. Is the one that does that really fucking well. And then they fucked it up with that movie they did later that I couldn't even finish. Even though Split was good.
00:19:40
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Split was good. i I liked Glass. I thought Glass was good. I went and saw Glass in theaters. The thing I liked about Glass is that you think it's building to one thing and then it completely undercuts your expectations of what a superhero movie is and should be.
M. Night Shyamalan's Unique Storytelling
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And I really liked that. um And he keeps it he keeps it this kind of small, intimate thing, which is what he's very, very good at. I think when M. Night Shyamalan sets himself on a smaller scale, it ends up working out very well.
00:20:10
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Trap, I think, worked in – because it was a small-scale movie in a large-scale environment. Yes. think that's why – I like that movie a lot. I like M. Night Shyamalan. He's really cool. directorctor Despite After Earth.
00:20:24
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Well, I mean he's good at what he does. In future episodes of this podcast, Avatar – I'm sorry, The Last Airbender. But even the people who have made the best films ever, they don't always get it right.
00:20:36
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Like, you ever seen Bruiser, George Romero's Bruiser? Yeah, don't. and It's real fucking bad. it's It's on my list of George Romero movies to watch. We're doing The Summer of George over on the Pod and Pendulum.
00:20:46
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Are you prepared to see Peter Starsmore's Penis? Who briefly Peter Star. Am I saying that right? Star more stars. ah The Russian guy, blonde hair, tall prison break.
00:21:02
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Oh, oh, Stormare. There you go. Thank you. I knew if I tried to do it without looking it up, I would embarrass myself, but I went ahead and tried anyway. Stormare. I mean, there it is.
00:21:14
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Yeah. Peter Stormare. He's really annoying. Everybody's annoying in that movie. That whole movie is just really annoying. I mean, every every director's got a worse movie.
00:21:25
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Even directors who have made no bad movies, one of them's got to be the worst one. I'm just saying, you know, the cards don't always fall exactly right every time you want them to. Sometimes it just doesn't work despite your best efforts.
00:21:38
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And Mr. M. Knight is has fallen victim to that more times than most great directors, I think. But I do think that he's a great director. I think he's really good at what he does. No, I'm inclined to agree.
00:21:50
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Exactly. No, I'm inclined to agree. And I think him recognizing that he needs a smaller scale, a smaller budget was really liberating for him because that freed him up to make movies like Old or – um What's that one where they're in the cabin and Knock at the cabin. Oh, that was so good.
00:22:11
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Knock at the cabin was really fun. So intense. Silly, yeah but very intense. Same with Trapp. It's silly, but very intense. And I liked the silly elements of Trapp. I thought those worked really well, and they played into what he was doing. Again, he's a man who knows, who through trial and error, has discovered what his strengths and weaknesses are.
00:22:30
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and has really leaned into what his strengths are. And I think that's why Glass works is because he knows what he's good at. And so what he does is this very stripped down, pared down superhero movie. And I, I'm using for the listener at home, i'm using very heavy air quotes there.
00:22:46
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Uh, when I say, um, superhero, um, because it is, and it isn't exactly that, but you've got like, Bruce Willis and Spencer Treat Williams from Unbreakable returning. You've got Anya Taylor-Joy and James McAvoy returning from Split.
00:23:03
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And Samuel Jackson, obviously, from Unbreakable returning as well. And it's you vote and then you've got Sarah Paulson, who is wow chef's kiss, just amazing. like it It really is a ah fantastic movie. And the way that it builds and sets you up with this one expectation and then manages to undercut it, undersell it,
00:23:24
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and still make you happy. i think it makes, I liked, I liked glass a great deal. I might have to look at it again. You know, maybe it hit me at the wrong time. Sometimes when you watch a movie can sometimes affect brother. Don't I know it? Yeah. No, a hundred percent.
00:23:43
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I did it again. Gotta stop burping. Jeez Louise. Yeah, you got to go back and edit all those out. i Well, I just time stamped it. You know, I got to edit this tonight, man. I know. Well, let's get on with it. I got to stop burping. Steven, did you notice that this movie's first act is...
00:24:03
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Just insanely similar to the first act of the movie that we watched last week. Yeah. It's so similar. It's almost like they're about the same fucking characters. No, I mean, just like the way it went down.
00:24:19
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Like, um with, you know, ah Ben being Reed's friend. Now in this, like he's more of like his mechanic than his bodyguard, you know.
00:24:30
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But still, with that shit and like them getting like immediately snatched up by the wrong people after they get their powers and like like ah ah being tested and poked and prodded and stuff, it just seemed... I was like, did they watched the 94 version and was like, yeah, we could we could use some of this, actually.
00:24:52
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and And I mean, some of that is comics accurate. Like the Reed and Ben being childhood friends is absolutely right there baked in from the start. um Ben Grimm, of course, is a stand in for Jack Kirby himself.
00:25:05
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um The guy who 100% said it's clobbering time before beating the shit out of white supremacists outside the Marvel offices. nice Because that is 100% a thing he would do.
00:25:17
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Like people would like write him hate mail and he would write them back, meet me outside the office at at this address at this
Character Focus: Ben Grimm and Michael B. Jordan
00:25:23
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time. And then he would go outside and beat the shit out of them. Like he was Ben Grimm, the scrappy Jew.
00:25:29
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ah Jamie Bell, by the way, I don't think is Jewish. i could be very wrong about that, but i I have my suspicions that Jamie Bell is not a Jewish actor. um The fact that Eben Mas Bacharach, I think, might be the first Jewish actor to actually be playing the thing um because Chiklis is Greek, who played him in the the two Tim Story films from the early aughts.
00:25:50
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Chiklis is Greek. And i I just again, I could be wrong, but I don't think the actor from the 94 one was as well. So maybe um I again call it a hunch.
00:26:01
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But I think Eben Moss Bacharach is our first blue-eyed Jewish Ben Graham, which again, the blue eyes are weirdly important to that character. Yeah.
00:26:14
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He's the ever-loving blue-eyed thing. like i And again, i love i love that conflicted kind of character. And that is 100 – like, he's a sad sack. He's –
00:26:26
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not quite a Byronic hero, but, but he's, he's the guy, the kind of hero with a melancholy to him. Like, yeah, I don't know that, yeah that, uh, I don't know that Jamie Bell is Jewish. So yeah, there you go.
00:26:39
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Jamie Bell, if you're Jewish, let us know. Yeah. Uh, let us know. Hit us up in the comments. disenfranchepod at gmail.com by the way we're still waiting on that uh that email from chris whites to come on the podcast um chris whites come on the podcast come on man come on chris whites come on man on man that's like two hours of your life come on come on and you can say whatever incendiary thing you want because barely anyone listens to this thing
00:27:12
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Hey, you just offended like 115 people, Steven.
00:27:19
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I mean, compared but compared to other podcast listenerships, that's that's that's a drop. Don't get me wrong. That's enough me. I appreciate our listener base. they are The fact that they keep tuning in to listen to us prattle on endlessly about stupid movies is just, um again, a blessing.
00:27:39
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um We would probably have stopped doing this a long time ago if we did not have their, again, small but dedicated fan base. I bet they laugh at my jokes, Steven. And you know what? I like people who laugh at my jokes.
00:27:52
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For your sake, Tucker, I really hope so. That's my favorite kind of people are the people that laugh at my jokes. Like if I meet you and like you're laughing half of the time when we're meeting, you're instantly my friend.
00:28:04
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There's a thing you're not. you Some of your jokes hit. Some of them do not hit. And here's the thing. and I would say the same for my jokes. Let's be clear. I'm self aware enough to make that admission on Mike.
00:28:18
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Steven, some of mine don't hit on purpose. And that's how they hit.
00:28:28
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It's brilliant, really. ah So, yeah, we we watched this movie. Let's talk about the body horror, because I think that was the big take of this movie, was the body horror element, the Cronenberg. Because I remember even before the movie came out, reading interviews with the cast and with Josh Trank in particular, talking about the film as this kind of Cronenbergian body horror thing, which i found interesting.
00:28:57
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was the most interesting and perhaps the most well-executed aspect of this film. Yeah, well, this film does finally answer the question if if the things if the thing has a rock penis.
00:29:12
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He just doesn't have one. I don't know how he pees or poops. I don't see him eating this. I didn't see him eating this movie either. Here's the thing. He may not need to eat or pee or poop. And his voice is scary. Why is his voice so scary, Steven?
00:29:27
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Again, it's playing into that horror aspect of the thing. it's all rocks in there, and that's freaking. Again, and that's the the idea. Like there is, and I get where i get where they're coming from.
00:29:41
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again, with any other property, I think it might work. That's what I'm saying. It's such a good idea. Such a poor execution. Poor execution. It's such a good idea. Just make a few major tweaks.
00:29:56
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That's it. Right. Well, and it's it's another, there's another big thing this movie does completely wrong. And it's something that I don't think any movie is quite done right yet, but I'm going to get to that later.
00:30:07
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Cause I do want to talk about the body horror. I do think it's really effective. Like when Reed wakes up on the examining table and his arm, his hands are like on opposite sides of the room. Yeah. like He's like trying to move them and shit. And he's the, you can tell he is fucking terrified.
00:30:23
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Right. And, and Miles Teller plays that really well. um The, the, the, the vocal and mocap performance from Jamie Bell as the thing, even though he is not Jewish, we do get like this really like the fear in his voice when Reed is trying to escape and he's like, don't leave me. Don't leave me. Get back here. Come back. Don't leave me.
00:30:45
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Like the horror in his voice is palpable. And even, know, even though you can barely register his face through the through the CGI when he becomes ah you know a flame person.
00:30:58
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i would say And I think it's hard to argue. I think Michael B. Jordan is the best part of this movie by a long shot. He's doing a lot of heavy lifting here.
00:31:08
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And again, it's why he's going to be a future Oscar winner. like If not for sinners, then for something else. like he The man will get an Oscar one day. it's It's kind of undeniable. He is...
00:31:19
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I would say maybe right now the closest thing we have to a legitimate movie star. um Yeah, he's living the life because he's doing – he can do any kind of movie right There's such a versatility to him, 100%. He's going to be doing the the the next Thomas Crown Affair movie.
00:31:40
Speaker
There you go. Yeah. He's developing that right now. They switched the main actress on that one I read, but i don't care enough about it to know who was there and who has replaced them. So we'll cover the Pierce Brosnan, Renee Russo, John McTiernan movie when that one comes out, because that one was supposed to get a sequel.
00:31:59
Speaker
So boring. Like not in a fun way. I like ah for some na boring movies. I like slow simmer movies. Like my favorite, my second favorite movie of this year after sinners is black bag, a movie where, uh, Kate Blanchett and Michael Fassbender play like spy spouses who spend the whole movie, like having quiet conversations in dark rooms.
00:32:22
Speaker
Like that is a hundred percent. my What's it called? One day it's called black bag. I think it's on Peacock right now. Um, if you have Peacock, But it like one day on this podcast, we will cover Tinker tot Tinker, Taylor Soldier Spy.
00:32:37
Speaker
There it is. That movie. i've I've had it on the schedule like twice now and had to move it for other stuff. But like one day we will cover that movie and I will be so happy because that is one of my favorite spy movies.
00:32:50
Speaker
Wait, who directed Black Bag? Who directed Black Bag? I'm not sure that's the top of my head. That's why I was interested in it when I was interested in it because I'm Mimby when that came out, but I never got around to it and then I forgot about it.
00:33:04
Speaker
Black Bag is Soderbergh. I fucking should have known that. It's Steven Soderbergh. There is. Yeah. With a script by David Koepp, who is one of Spielberg's guys. Yeah, he is. And your main actors are Michael Fassbender and Cate Blanchett. You've also got ah Tom Burke is in there.
00:33:20
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um Marissa Bella, Regé-Jean Page, Naomi Harris. i it's kind of reggae That's Regé-Jean is how that's pronounced. Regé-Jean. I don't think that's right.
00:33:31
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It absolutely is. I promise you that it is. ah Pierce Brosnan's in there. Like it's got a really fucking solid cast. And it's again, it's it's still despite that really good cast. It's this quiet little movie set in like the darkest, seediest corners of of England.
00:33:50
Speaker
And it's about, you know, fucking spies. And I love that kind of spy movie. Um, like I love, I love that shit. I eat that shit up with a spoon. Give me, that's why I like conclave. Cause conclave is like that kind of a spy movie set in the Vatican.
00:34:04
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And so that movie is just a hundred percent. My shit. oh I love that. sound fantastic oh So good. Conclave fucking loved that. That's like my second or third favorite movie last year.
00:34:16
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God, I love that so much. Um, anyway, fantastic for, I don't know how we got on this tangent. Michael B. Jordan, but it is I just confirmed it's pronounced Reg A. John.
00:34:28
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So just maybe update that in your brain, Steven. If you don't believe me, you can look it up. But I promise you, I look to it. Also, the reason I knew that it was that is because um wasn't he on? He was on something.
00:34:43
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don't even know who he was, but I was like, right on. He's been on a few things. He was in the Dungeons Dragons movie that you and Brett really liked. Did you see that, Steven? No, I haven't seen that yet. Well, it's really good. It's real fun. That's what I've heard.
00:34:57
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It's a fun time. That's what I've heard. It's one of those like Bradley Cooper making a cameo in a movie, which is I think all Bradley Cooper does right now is make cameos and in other people's movies.
00:35:08
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it I think he's like done with being a movie star outside of his own movies. He'll just like show up in a, camp like he was in the Superman movie. He was had a cameo in that hey back got a came this instagram man movie.
00:35:21
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He is. He's very good in it. Guy. He, I know you do. Are you? No, I didn't think so. I want it to be his friend though. I mean, I'm sure he'd be a cool hang.
00:35:33
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I'm sure he'd be a great guy to get a beer with. Honestly, probably. Yeah. You know, who's, you know what he's not in though? Lots of stuff, man. But specifically Fantastic Four 2015. Fan four stick.
00:35:49
Speaker
Fan four stick. But no, I, and you know, i again, for for him, again, despite not being able to see his face in the in the CGI when he's the torch, like, it's, like, you can see the the fear on...
00:36:07
Speaker
on Michael B. Jordan's face as he's like trying to like stop himself from being on fire. And it also kind of carries that thing over from the comics where like when the radiation hits them, like Ben's under a rock reads, like trying to like reach to help, like reach for the controls.
00:36:25
Speaker
Johnny's on fire and no one can find Sue. Like that's kind of what we see, how we see them getting their powers in this one. Like whatever is happening to them, during their transport back to ah the Baxter building is kind of their, the impetus for
Updating Classic Stories for Modern Audiences
00:36:43
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their transformation. And that again comes directly from the comics, which again, I can appreciate.
00:36:47
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um But, you know, they're they're astronauts in the original comics because, again, it was a product of the 1960s. Astronauts were a thing. The Apollo program was in full force. Like there's this constant need within the context of these films to kind of update or adjust. Yeah.
00:37:08
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And this, I think, follows a lot more closely the ultimate Fantastic Four model, which was, again, an attempt to modernize these characters from the 60s and kind of bring them into a more – a new millennium kind of context. Whether that works or not, kind of leave to the individual viewer. But know. This doesn't, I think, particularly work well for me.
00:37:42
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Oh um man, you know what, Steven? I don't even want to talk about that anymore. i don't even what was going say anyway. That's fair enough. what What would you like to talk about now, Tucker?
00:37:57
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ah i don't know. I was hoping you would have something to talk about, Steven. No, I did actually. I read um in the 10-minute break that we totally did not just take Right.
00:38:09
Speaker
I read that Josh Trank rented a house in New Orleans during the shooting of this movie. and he has three small dogs and they caused over $100,000 damage to that. That's what we call an irresponsible dog owner. Someone who lets their dogs just do shit should not own dogs.
00:38:32
Speaker
No, dude, that's why I don't own a dog because I don't have the emotional bandwidth to, make allow a dog to have a happy life my buddy max who made background appearances on several early episodes of the disenfranchised podcast uh passed a couple years ago ah but he was a very well-behaved dog um so yeah but yeah if you're gonna if you're gonna let your dogs like shit and piss all over the place and not let them outside and just do all that kind of irresponsible shit you yeah you should not have dogs sorry um agree as as as someone who has ah endeavored to be a responsible pet owner and has someone who now owns two cats um again just be responsible with your pets please um that's movie no dogs that i remember
00:39:19
Speaker
No, there was a dog in the new James Gunn Superman movie, which I did see, Tucker. And I will tell you, did see that yeah it is great. It is it is it is everything. On that episode, on the at the end of our Man of Steel episode, I kind of laid out my hopes and dreams for the Superman movie, and they were met, 100%.
00:39:36
Speaker
hundred percent like that is That movie is what I hoped it would be. And it seems to be doing decently well. The box-offs of Warner Brothers seems pretty happy with... ah it Now, I... I saw someone on Facebook, terrible take on one of my Facebook friends. I really should get off of meta um who was like, oh, I can't see this being anything but a disaster for Warner Brothers going forward.
00:39:59
Speaker
And I was and I was just kind of like, yeah, but the critical appraisal of this is so much better than Man of Steel was. Like this is legion. Like this is good news. Like Warner brothers is happy with what, how this movie is performing.
00:40:14
Speaker
Like this is not a financial disaster for Warner brothers there. No, they have in two weeks, pretty much done the domestic box office of man of steel in two weeks. Like two weeks they have with the worldwide box office. They've made their money back a hundred percent in two weeks.
00:40:33
Speaker
yeah And it's still number one. And what's going to come? I mean, what? Fantastic Four going to come out? Fantastic Four. It might be number one, but Superman is going to stay up there, dude. It's going to stay up there.
00:40:44
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it And it it it is in the cultural conversation. like it it's that It's that cultural moment right now, like in the way that superhero movies used to be like 12 years ago.
00:40:56
Speaker
You know, they say that um that culture kind of teeter-totters back and forth. A very, very simple example being like BLM in 2020 and Trump's presidency so far.
00:41:10
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You know, it kind of goes back and forth. And I feel like I don't want to ruin it, but I kind of feel like we're starting to teeter back the other way. And maybe, maybe, Stephen, maybe this Superman movie is part of it.
00:41:24
Speaker
Along with hope MAGA's frustration with the Epstein files. But this is not a political podcast. I'm just setting the scene. I mean you won't even let me. I know you've got to edit this episode tonight. I'm not going to fucking do it.
00:41:36
Speaker
you can Tucker, i will love that quick I want you to appreciate my fucking restraint right now. OK, can I just get you verbally acknowledging on Mike your appreciation for my restraint? I very much appreciate your restraint by not saying the thing that is make. I have to use four bleeps for it, Stephen. I know it's so long. Even if you say it fast, it's.
00:41:59
Speaker
And and and in now now I'm tempted to say the other thing that you would have to bleep it again. too. I want to say it so bad. Steven, I want to it. We're both – we're both exercising restraint. Are you going to type it in the chat to keep yourself from saying it out loud? I'm to do it right now. I'm typing it. Do it, Steven. There it is. I did it. i did it. I typed it in the chat so you don't have to bleep it. Okay.
00:42:19
Speaker
feel out of our system we can move on yeah god we are so fucking obnoxious why do people listen to this shit i do not get it tucker it's okay maybe maybe that guy whose comment you deleted on instagram was right maybe our podcast is garbage I didn't delete a comment on Instagram. What are you talking about? Maybe they do. I got ah i got ah a notification that someone left ah a comment on one of our one of our last Instagram posts, your podcast is garbage.
00:42:49
Speaker
And i I went to look at it and it was gone. And I was so either they deleted it or I thought you deleted it, but yeah. No, I don't have access that I know of to the disenfranchised Instagram account. Oh, okay. As far as I know, i don't think I do. Maybe Instagram flagged it as hate speech.
00:43:06
Speaker
Or you know maybe this person does what I do sometimes. Sometimes I will write something so mean that I'm like, ah I wanna say that, but also that's kinda shitty.
00:43:20
Speaker
So what I do is I type it and I post it, then I immediately delete it. So you get the notification and you can see the whole comment, but it's not it's for an audience of one, really. Okay. so That might have been what that person was doing. Maybe they didn't want to appear to be a shitty person, but they ah also wanted us to know that our podcast is garbage, which honestly I wish they would have left it up because um I would like to talk to that person because – I kind of wanted to comment are on that. Our podcast is garbage.
00:43:51
Speaker
like in In moments, yeah. yeah I kind of wanted to just say i just kind of wanted to say thank you for your constructive feedback. It will be considered and your your recommendations will be taken into consideration.
00:44:03
Speaker
ah Thank you for listening. Have a great day. ah Is exactly what I wanted to say. You know what, Stephen? As much as I love hearing from people who like the podcast, in some ways, it's better to hear from the people who don't like the podcast, especially if they have specific gripes.
00:44:20
Speaker
Right. Because it helps us to know like what's working and what's not. And like, we might. We've not really received a lot of constructive feedback. So in terms of negative, a constructive, negative feedback, back I will say.
00:44:35
Speaker
I'll tell you, Steven, there's a little bit of constructive, negative feedback on YouTube because, you know, it doesn't tell you how many down votes you get anymore. It just tells you the percentage.
00:44:46
Speaker
And some some of our, Episodes that have like over a thousand views, there's some opinions going on there in the likes and dislikes for sure. But not in the comments. and that So again, that's not specific. that's that's Let us know what you think, cowards.
00:45:05
Speaker
um We're calling you out, maggot-eating, bitch. There it is again. I was wondering when we're going circle back. Reggie. Kathy does not have enough to do in this movie.
00:45:17
Speaker
I'm going to he's not even he's not even supposed to. The original cry script didn't even include that character in this movie. Like he's I love him and he does fantastic. too movie But there's no reason for him to be. He does.
00:45:30
Speaker
He does what in this movie? does nothing. no No, no, You said he does what in this movie? i don't I don't know. What did I say? You said fantastic, and I was about to say, okay, guys, I got it. You ready?
00:45:43
Speaker
Wait, say that again. no, no, say it again. All right, guys, I got it. You ready? Fuck the ending of this movie. Fuck the ending of this movie. I hate that shit.
00:45:55
Speaker
It's like if the ending of Bodied sucked, because they do the same thing in Bodied. where yeah he's like, wait a minute, like, I know what my rap name is.
00:46:05
Speaker
And then like, it goes into hi, my name is by him. And it's which clever. and its That is clever. This is not clever. It's dumb.
00:46:17
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really It's dumb as fuck. Yeah. it Oh my God. du And here's the thing. I think if this movie had not been cut to shit and if Trank had been, and again, i I love art for its own sake. I love it when artists get to make the art they want to make.
00:46:33
Speaker
Not every art artist is good. Right. And I don't resonate with everyone's art. Like I don't resonate with Snyder. Snyder is not my guy. yeah What he does, i know appeals to a lot of people. I'm not one of them and that's okay.
00:46:47
Speaker
That's fair. Yeah. And I have a feeling I'm going to be the same way with Trank. Like I've only seen two of his movies now of the three that he's directing, but like, I have a feeling Trank's not one of my guys.
00:47:01
Speaker
All that said, I like when – no, sorry. All that said, I like when artists are able to make the art they want to make. Unfortunately, and this is the thing that I think has become very evident within the last several years of filmmaking, the movie business is more about the business now than it is the movies.
Studio Interference in Fantastic Four
00:47:20
Speaker
Used to be at one point in time it was about the movies. Like we're just going to let these people who like to make movies make the movies they want to make and if they make money, great. and If they don't, fine. But now everything is regulated to committee and it's a bunch of share.
00:47:33
Speaker
All these movie studios are owned by corporations and the people ah at the the head of those corporations looking at you, David Zaslav fucking hate movies and they don't understand movies.
00:47:45
Speaker
And so they will make movies to not release the movies. god and yeah And that I think is what is happening with this movie is that we get this movie by committee by people who fucking hate movies and all the changes they make take whatever acerbic bite may have been this movie.
00:48:02
Speaker
I wouldn't have liked it either way, Tucker. I want to make that abundantly clear. I am a confident. I would not have liked Josh Trank's cut of this movie because again, everything leads me to believe that is not the fantastic four that I know.
00:48:16
Speaker
However, it would have at least artistically been a cohesive vision as opposed to whatever this miss mishmash garbage pile is. Building on that, Stephen, may I read you a a tweet that Josh Trank posted on August 6, 2015, which he quickly deleted? May I read it to you?
00:48:37
Speaker
I mean I kind of don't want you to, but I also really want you to. So go ahead. I'm going to do it. Josh Trank says, a year ago i had a fantastic – version of this. And it would have received great reviews.
00:48:50
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You'll probably never see it. That's really tough. After seeing this version, the studio mandated heavy reshoots.
00:49:01
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The newer scenes are easy to spot as Kate Mara had cut her hair and wore a blonde wig. Miles Teller also had facial hair that would appear and disappear between shots.
00:49:13
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um Apparently... it's been The old Henry Cavill problem. Yeah, it's been – people have said that that may that tweet alone may have cost the movie about $10 million, dollars but I don't believe that.
00:49:28
Speaker
And honestly, I didn make money i think he it would have made money. It might have made more he not tweeted that. But here's the thing. I think it did more irreparable harm for his career because he's made one movie since then. And I have a feeling he's got – I read a retrospective of him in 2020 in anticipation of Capone.
00:49:49
Speaker
And I honestly do think it took him five years – from Fantastic Four to get Capone released. Like that's that's a long time. And i don't I know at one point he had like the Boba Fett movie in the hopper that he was developing for for Disney.
00:50:05
Speaker
Like I know there was other shit he was working on. But like, that's a long time between movies and the fact that it we're now five years after Capone. And he's got, I think, a couple of things like on his IMDb, like upcoming, but like nothing with, I think, a solid release date yet.
00:50:25
Speaker
Like I think he did some, ah that tweet did some irreparable harm to his career. Like he's got a Teddy Roosevelt movie in development and then another movie in pre-production that he's a writer on.
00:50:39
Speaker
But as a director, um he's only got that... that pre It's called Send a Scare, which is the dumbest fucking name for a movie. but the The premise, a horror startup letting users send scares gets deadly when a real killer takes over their
Future Projects and Character Portrayals
00:50:57
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investor demo. What?
00:50:59
Speaker
That sounds like the last thing I want to see. like i'm sure i'm sure i'm sure he's got an interesting take, but but again like I... it's It's like he's one of those guys that has a really great, like, movie out of the box.
00:51:14
Speaker
And then, like, his follow-ups and his kind of the way that he... reacts and interacts with the people that he's working with on those projects, I think has really damaged his personal brand to, if you'll forgive the the the corporate speak, ah to the extent that like he, not a lot of people want to or are willing to take a chance on him going forward.
00:51:39
Speaker
Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, he was connected to that Boba Fett project, but also um apparently Miles Teller... Well, so he killed the Boba Fett project, but yeah. Apparently Miles Teller was dropped from La La Land because of this movie.
00:51:54
Speaker
Luckily, he bounced back because... yeah I like Miles Teller I don't always like the shit he's in but I like him He good easy real I will tell you his his His high point for me is Whiplash like I really fucking love him in Whiplash I don't always like him in the stuff that he's in Yeah um And I think he does okay here. Like, again, most of these actors don't have a lot of good stuff to work with and they're doing the best they can with what they have. Like, I like Kate Mara. I, I liked her and Reggie Kathy in house of cards, a show that is like heavily canceled now because of its star. And I, and I, I watched that right up until the whole spacey shit went down. And I was like, so the last two seasons that show, I just kind of tapped out on completely.
00:52:38
Speaker
Um, But like I enjoyed both what she was doing in that show and what she was doing um and what Reggie Cathy was doing in that show as well. like There are things that I really like all these actors in. And I think of of this group, Michael B. Jordan has managed to kind of assuage himself best, maybe Jamie Bell second of the main four.
00:53:03
Speaker
um And then, of course, the thing the movie gets most wrong The thing that I think no Fantastic Four movie has ever gotten right, and i'm i'm now I'm significantly worried about the MCU being able to get it right, is Doom.
00:53:19
Speaker
Yeah. well No one i has ever gotten Doom right. Ever. Oh, boy. didn't even think we'd have to have this conversation during this, but it makes sense. Of course we're going to have to have this conversation during this. Damn it.
00:53:35
Speaker
They better be real fucking good because as soon as he took off that mask, I was like, i know no why? what the the level The level of fucking disappointment that I registered in that moment, I was just like, they are completely out of ideas.
00:53:53
Speaker
They are completely done. Yeah. I mean, and this Fantastic Four movie might be great. It looks truer to the comics than any other Fantastic Four movie that I've seen. And I've seen all of them at this point.
00:54:06
Speaker
I have now seen them all. The two that I hadn't seen are the two that we've covered in the last two weeks. And I've seen them now. So I'm caught up. Like, it looks truer to the comics than anything I've heard.
00:54:18
Speaker
Or anything I've seen up to this point. And what I've heard... Sounds good. What I've heard sounds relatively promising. Yeah. It's, I think it's getting from what I'm reading, it's getting about the same, uh, preview reviews as Superman did. Like there's a few outliers that have issues with it, but the general consensus is that it's a, it is a true to form the first like true to form fantastic for film.
00:54:44
Speaker
and there have been four significantly less than fantastic fantastic for and but to this point. Like, I would not put one of the Fantastic Four movies that I've seen above two and a half stars. I wouldn't.
00:54:57
Speaker
I can't. Yeah. um Like, logistically, I can't. Like, um they're all bad. Every single one of them has been bad for different reasons. The Corman one, honestly, it's more the budget than anything else.
00:55:09
Speaker
It's got so much charm. it it Again, it charmed me. i didn't I went in thinking it was going to be the worst fucking piece of shit I've ever seen. And honestly... fucking charming.
00:55:20
Speaker
This movie, no charm. No charm in this movie. The Tim Story ones, I think, came the closest. Like, they understood the dynamics were there. um But everything else was kind of off.
00:55:33
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And again, the way they handled Doom, again, RIP Julian McMahon, we stand a legend, that guy was great. um But, like, he...
00:55:45
Speaker
He did oh i like he his doom. He had the attitude of doom. Yeah. Without actually having the anything else right about the character. Like I think he had electricity based powers in that movie, if I recall correctly. And then this doom is like his powers are so ill defined and nebulous in this film.
00:56:07
Speaker
ah Toby Kebbell, I think, is the actor who plays doom in this film. yeah know um the The powers are so ill-defined and so, again, just... It's like whatever we need him to do to progress the plot, he can do it.
00:56:22
Speaker
um like At some point, he can like he can explode glass from across the room. he can shoot power beams. like I think, to use the the word I couldn't think of earlier again, i think his powers are super ambiguous in this. And it's not in a good...
00:56:40
Speaker
way but i mean like it it makes sense with the story but it doesn't work well for the film because he's there for a while he's in the negative zone for like his whole body is taken over by that shit so you have to imagine if all those motherfuckers who were there for just a few seconds got all those very strong individual powers that this man is just going to be full of like the peak version of every fucking power imaginable So it makes sense. It just doesn't really work that well. Like it's right kind of stupid. Because again, it's not defined. Like Doom as he exists in the comics. And again, someone – I'm not a Marvel boy. So again, if I get some information wrong, I'm sure someone will let us know either in the comments on Patreon or at the email distantfrenchpod at gmail.com.
00:57:29
Speaker
And I encourage you to do so because I'm willing to learn. ah But as I understand it, Doom – didn't go on the, the, the astronaut. He was supposed to, but didn't. And out of his jealousy, he, you know, that that's what caused the jealousy against Richards. He gets a scar.
00:57:48
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He gets, you know, because he's so vain, he creates a mask, but then he's impatient. So he can't wait to put it on. And so he puts it on when it's still hot and it, that's what causes his facial scarring.
00:58:01
Speaker
But he is, he is a Romani. He's the leader of Latveria. And he, he had that he's got the kind of God, this is embarrassing to say, and I can't believe about to say but it's part of the comics. His magic is part of his Romani heritage. Like he he comes from a line of Romani magicians. And so his powers are derived from that, those magics, rather than him being a part. But again, that's comic booky. That's silly.
00:58:31
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So we're not going to see that in kind of these gritty reboots. Like that's not how it works in the Tim Story films. And that's not how it works in this film. Well, you have to kind of earn the silly. So like, it makes sense that they won't like, that's why we're only now getting Galactus.
00:58:48
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No, we got Galactus in the second Tim story film. Well, it probably did. It suck. I didn't, see I didn't see those. Yeah, it, it, it absolutely sucked. It was a giant, it was a giant cloud.
00:59:00
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Let me rephrase. We're getting Galactus in the MCU. If you remember in 2008, when the MCU started, it was very, very grounded. But they ever so gradually kind of amped it up. And now Galactus is just a thing that you would expect.
00:59:17
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And from what I've heard, his his costume is very comic book accurate. And to be clear, Galactus was designed by Jack Kirby, who is, an um again, one of the most prolific and influential artists in the history of comic books.
00:59:35
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But his designs work really well on paper. and not And look very silly when converted to live action. Absolutely, they do. So again, the fact that... that that and But again, like the the fact that we're leaning into like the 60s futuristic...
Looking Forward: Optimism for Future Adaptations
00:59:53
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like The fucking Jetsons vision of the future for the Fantastic Four film...
01:00:00
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really gives me some hope that that Galactus is really going to work again. I'm hopeful for the fantastic four film. I'm not going to rush out to see it opening weekend. I'm going to wait for word of mouth to come out. I'm going to wait for the buzz. And if, if I do see it in theaters, it will be the first Marvel film I have seen in theaters since Dr. Strange in the multiverse of madness.
01:00:19
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The only reason I saw that in theaters is because of Sam Raimi. So i mean I just want to make that very clear. And before that, the last, Marvel film I'd seen in theaters was Spider-Man No Way Home.
01:00:30
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like i'm i'm After Endgame, I'm less inclined to really engage with Marvel. Well, I'll tell you, this is about the same level of importance as Superman. I will see it day one that it drops on streaming.
01:00:45
Speaker
It's important enough that I see it the first day it drops on streaming. It's not important enough that I go see it at the theater. If someone called me and said, hey, the letter J, a.k.a. Tucker, a.k.a. Mr. Make It Rain on Them Hoes.
01:00:59
Speaker
Do you want to come see the Fantastic Four? Where did that name come from? I'm sorry, you cannot just drop that nickname right now and expect me not to react. How fucking dare you, sir?
01:01:11
Speaker
Oh, it's one of many. One of several. Oh, I know you've got nicknames. Trust. yeah Trust I know. The one time I got arrested about five years, like six years ago,
01:01:26
Speaker
ah boy it took me a while to fill out the aliases part because damn that was just so much so tucker dropping the lore on this episode endless variations of my last name just endless there you wouldn't believe how far some of them mutate i i know tukey and that's that that is where i choose to stop Dude. Yeah, dude.
01:01:52
Speaker
Well, I don't, I don't need to know the permutant. One day you can, one day on this podcast, you can introduce yourself using all your aliases, but it will not be this day because you've got to fucking edit this shit before you go to bed.
01:02:03
Speaker
see night And this episode drops in and a little over an hour. Oh, if somebody called me was like, Hey, do you want to come see this? And I'll pay for your ticket. I'd be like, yeah, I'll go see it. Fuck. Yeah.
01:02:14
Speaker
Here's the thing. If you make your way up to Chicago, i will buy your ticket to see Superman and I will go see it a second time because I love that movie that much.
01:02:25
Speaker
I got to get myself and a little steady. i I don't know if it will be available in IMAX or Dolby unless you come in the next day yeah because – because Fantastic Four is going to take over both of those formats this, this weekend. But, um, I would, i would absolutely see Superman in theaters with you and buy your ticket because I liked that movie that much.
01:02:52
Speaker
Okay. Well, I mean, a three hour drive, that's about three quarters of a tank of gas. And you'd have to do that back again after the movie too. Yeah.
01:03:03
Speaker
Okay. Okay. All right. wait, wait whether or not it's worth it, but I'm willing. I'm willing. I'll just say that. All right.
01:03:14
Speaker
Okay. Yeah. Well, yeah, you know. Or, you know what? We could fucking do a double feature. If you come up and we're we're making a day of it, we can do Superman and Fantastic Four.
01:03:25
Speaker
We're going to do a science fiction double feature, Steven. A science fiction double feature. Oh, goodness. Is Claude Rains going to be the Invisible Man in either of those films?
01:03:37
Speaker
I can't see who else would take over that role. I'll tell you what. ah Jokes aside, Claude Rains in either of those films would just be a plus. I don't care who he's like. Claude Rains as the Invisible Man is one of those just completely...
01:03:57
Speaker
completely amazing performances that just is has not been replicated since there have been many actors who have played the invisible man since including the late great vincent price and kevin bacon ain't got nothing on claude reigns uh he's also really good in the wolf man yes and he's also really good in mr smith goes to washington i've never seen fantastic frank capra film with uh jimmy stewart And it will make you cry, especially with the state of politics today. You'll be like, why can't we just have all Mr. Smith's?
01:04:31
Speaker
Wouldn't that be great? Tucker, did patric is not take it does not take much to make me cry these days. So I have a feeling that is not a movie I want to watch right now.
01:04:41
Speaker
No, it's so good, though. It's so good. I'm sure it is. I'm sure it is. Patricia Neal is there as well. Did I mention that? You did. You did mention that. I love her She's really great in The Fountainhead. That movie that you mentioned a couple weeks ago when we were talking Man of Steel.
01:04:56
Speaker
Yeah. You and your your love of Ayn Rand. Look, don't make me defend myself again. Look, objectivism is bullshit, but Ayn Rand has a few good books, okay? Anthem is fantastic.
01:05:10
Speaker
The Fountainhead is pretty good if you don't buy into its bullshit. The movie of The Fountainhead is great, actually. You should really see that. Did I mention Patricia Neal is in that?
01:05:20
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you you In fact, and in point of fact, you did. She's my biggest like old school crush. like If this movie didn't have to be out in an hour, I would make you go back and edit in where you said Patricia Neal was in it. But I'm not going to make you do that because this episode is coming out in almost an hour, Tucker. We've got to probably wrap this up soon.
01:05:43
Speaker
I don't know if you know this, but Patricia Neal is the only woman that I've ever had a crush on that I've only seen in black and white. oh See, i wish I can't say that. There have been multiple. Oh, no, wait, because she's in Breakfast at Tiffany's.
01:05:56
Speaker
She's in Breakfast at Tiffany's because she's the she's the John. She's the lady paying homeboy for the sex. That's Patricia Neal. She's in Breakfast at Tiffany's. It's been a number of years. i report You can't even get through that sentence with a straight face, bitch.
01:06:14
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Mr. Steven, I must protest.
01:06:20
Speaker
It's so hard not to do it. It's so hard not to do it, it's so offensive. It's so offensive, but it's so funny. You say we've got nothing in common, no common ground to stand on, and we're falling apart.
01:06:33
Speaker
You say our lives have come between us. know No, no. yeah um And then I say, what about Breakfast at Tiffany's? And you say you think you remember the film. And as you recall, you think we both kind of liked it. And I say, well, that's one thing we've got. Deep Blue i blew something One of our great one-hit wonders. May they rest in peace.
01:06:58
Speaker
Yeah. Tink. Yeah, dude, do the numbers, man. I gotta pee. Come on, man. i Do the numbers. look Let's wrap it up. This is about to be one of our shorter episodes in recent memory.
01:07:09
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mean, we're already over an hour in, and it's going to take us about 20 minutes to get through all this bullshit. At least 20 minutes. So Fantastic Four, a.k.a. Fan4Stick, opens on August 7th, 2015.
01:07:25
Speaker
It opens at number two behind the number one movie in America ah for the secondary week in a row. Mission colon Impossible M-Rogue Nation, which I think is the fifth Mission Impossible film. One of the first directed, if not the first directed by Christopher McQuarrie, if I'm not mistaken. and Is that the one where he holds his breath?
01:07:49
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All the rest of them. i would I think that... one ah whole breath on the I almost wanted to say that's the one with Burj Khalifa, but I think Burj Khalifa is four.
01:08:00
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So i that may be the one where he holds his breath. That or six. i No, six is the helicopter. So yes, I think that is the one where he holds his breath. After the third one, really all I remember is Philip Seymour Hoffman is really rad in one of them.
01:08:14
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Philip Seymour Hoffman in number three, the best Fantastic Four, the best Mission Impossible villain is Philip Seymour Hoffman in three.
01:08:25
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That is the one thing that three has going for it is fucking Philip Seymour Hoffman. But after that, they're good. I really enjoy them, but theyre they seem like episodes of a TV series, whereas...
01:08:37
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The first three were just so different from one another that it was I was always like, oh, what's going to be this time? Up through four, it was a director-driven franchise with Tom Cruise kind of handpicking the directors. It was Brian De Palma. It was John Woo. It was J.J. Abrams. It was Brad Bird.
01:08:54
Speaker
That's your first four. And then after five, they're like, we need to get rid of Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise is old. He's washed up. He's a has-been. Christopher McQuarrie comes in and says, ah, ah, don't get rid of Tom Cruise. He's the reason this franchise works.
01:09:10
Speaker
Let me show you why. And he writes a movie that is basically a defense of Tom Cruise as Ethan Hunt. And after that, that movie does so well that they, and that's, I think, Rogue Nation.
01:09:24
Speaker
they you They basically, he becomes the auteur of the franchise after that. Him and Tom Cruise working in tandem, you get Rogue Nation, you get Fallout, you get Dead Reckoning Part 1 and Final Reckoning.
01:09:37
Speaker
By all accounts, Final Reckoning fucking sucks. It's the worst of the franchise from everyone that I've heard talk about. I've not seen it either. And honestly, at this point, I don't think I want to. I will eventually. I just have to really be like... Here's the thing.
01:09:52
Speaker
I will do a full rewatch of the... i I feel like you might be right. I will do a full rewatch of that franchise in its totality. Here's the thing, though. I'm ah one of those weird people who thinks the first one is the best one because I love all the drama shit.
01:10:10
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Yeah, dude. The first one's fucking awesome. Motherfuck John Voight, but John Voight runs that. Yes. You are right and you are right. o So everybody's so good in that.
01:10:23
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Yes. Even Emilio. Even Emilio. The short time we get with him. Fantastic. Especially Emilio. Now you're just being silly. I mean, I might be being silly, but I might be being serious. And I think I'm being both.
01:10:36
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okay In number two, Fantastic Four, he gets he gets like killed by an elevator hook. like like what a And you see it. Like, fuck that. That is fucking rad.
01:10:49
Speaker
god i love that first mission but big but again that is the closest of those movies to that like dark corner secret like whispering in like whispering in the shadows bullshit that i love it's like that is the closest series it's the only one that even resembles the television series at all 100 um but that that again where they're staging the thing with the up I can watch that a million times and never get tired of it. So good. I can watch it. I love the twists and turns that movie takes. I love the the plot. I love that movie unabashedly. It is my, again, 100% number one with a bullet favorite Mission Impossible film.
01:11:30
Speaker
I watched though the ones that had been released up to that point during the pandemic. and i came And again, that first Mission Impossible is the one I grew up with. And I watched it with my dad a lot. And my dad was one of those, oh, did you see that? Did you catch that kind of guys?
01:11:45
Speaker
And so we would like rewind and rewatch and like parse that movie. And we knew that thing backwards and forwards by the time we were done with it. Like it was, and it still remains just a great, great. And I hear in Final Reckoning, they bring back the guy that,
01:12:01
Speaker
They shipped off to Alaska. Like, I want him in Alaska by the end of the day. Mail him his clothes. Like, that guy apparently comes back and is a big part of the last movie for some reason.
01:12:13
Speaker
I'm really excited that they've been bringing back Kittredge. He was a really – something I really enjoyed about the first one too. And I was actually thinking about there that that the other day when I was watching Scream 6 because Kittredge is Jenna Ortega's therapist.
01:12:27
Speaker
Henry Churney, we fucking stan a legend. I love that guy. the yeah The fucking ice storm. The Ang Lee film with Christina Ricci and Susan Sarandon and Kevin Kline. God, that movie rules.
01:12:43
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um In second place, we have this movie that we've kind of talked yeah about little bit.
Movie Rankings and Box Office Discussions
01:12:49
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We did. We did. We did. We were talking about it. but did we did we did the time we were talking about it umm sorry, not the Fantastic Four, just Fantastic Four.
01:12:58
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Or Fan Four Stick, if you will. In third place, also opening this week, Sam Raimi's The Gift. Tucker, have you ever seen Sam Raimi's The Gift? I have with Keanu Reeves.
01:13:09
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Yeah, and Cate Blanchett and Katie Holmes is in that. Greg Kinnear in that movie also. like That movie's got a great cast.
01:13:22
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It's really good. That's when he was kind of just, that's like came after the simple plan. Like this is when Sam Raimi was like, Hey, maybe I'm just going to chill out a little bit, not too much, but a little bit and make some, just something a little more straightforward, you know, and I really enjoyed both of those movies, the gift and a simple plan.
01:13:45
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Simple Plan is my favorite Sam Raimi movie. Hot take. Sorry. No, I don't think that's that hot a take, oh honestly. I think a lot of people really love that movie. It's top five for me for sure. Yeah.
01:13:57
Speaker
And I did buy it on 4K when it came out on 4K. Like that was a pre-order for me. I told you. Yeah, I sent you the email. i was like, hey, man, you got to pre-order this, dude. I got it too.
01:14:08
Speaker
You sent me the link and I was like, fucking A, I'm in. And I bought it, right? like sight unseen. I like, fuck it. Fuck yes. Have I watched it since I bought it? nope Will I?
01:14:19
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yup because i've honestly, I've been jonesing for a simple plan lately. I've kind of been itching to like get back to that one. So that will be one I hit soon. Unfortunately for Wells U, I've got to watch a lot of Shakespeare this weekend. So it won't be this weekend.
01:14:34
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um In fourth place, future episode of this podcast, The Vacation Reboot with Ed Helms, ah Christina Applegate. That's okay. it not Not good.
01:14:47
Speaker
We'll get to it. It was fine. We'll get to it. It was okay. In fifth place, speaking of Marvel films, a little movie called Ant-Man.
01:14:58
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which is in its down from number three the week before. It's in its fourth weekend of release, though, so it's been out for a while. yeah And ah rounding out the top ten, we've got Minions in sixth place.
01:15:12
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ah The last film of the late, great Jonathan Demme, Ricky and the Flash, opening this week at number seven. ah You've got the Judd Apatow, Amy Schumer collaboration, Trainwreck.
01:15:23
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In ninth place, you have Pixels, the movie where Josh Gad fucks Qbert. ah And in tenth place, you have Southpaw, which, yes, is that that fighting movie with Jake Gyllenhaal. Oh, yeah. People love fighting in movies.
01:15:43
Speaker
Yeah, I guess. I guess. um Like Rocky. I suppose. Yeah. um this This movie makes – it opens – I should say I didn't didn't mention the opening numbers for Fantastic Four.
01:15:57
Speaker
It opens $25.7 million, which is ah bos not pass sorry I'm sorry, that's that's not even like comedy numbers. Like, no that's like, oh, a big budget movie like that, you gotta make, that's not even $30 million, Steven.
01:16:18
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Like a decent comedy makes a $30 million opening even now. I was going to say, that well, comedies don't get released anymore. That's part of the problem. Naked Gun's going to hit.
01:16:29
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Naked Gun's going to hit. And I'm going to watch it. got it God help me. I'm excited for Naked Gun. God help me. too. I'm excited for Naked Gun.
01:16:40
Speaker
Me too, because I don't like that shit. I don't like that kind of comedy. That's not my style. but and Nor I. trailer But then again, here's the weird thing. UHF is one of my favorite movies. And i I think that's kind of that same kind of comedy.
01:16:54
Speaker
And that's why, like, I see the trailer to this and I'm like, this is not my style of comedy, but I think I want to see this. And I'm not, I'm not all in on Akiva Schaefer as a director. Like some of this stuff I really like. Some of it I really don't.
01:17:07
Speaker
So, so I, I'm, I'm going to wait for the reviews to come in. I might see it second, third weekend. That might be one of those things I see without my partner. Cause I can't imagine she's going to be interested to see that. Yeah.
01:17:20
Speaker
um liam neeson perfect casting though because he i can do he does he can do the leslie nielsen thing which is play it straight and well make it hilarious he is one of those like leslie nielsen who got started in drama But is one of those few dramatic actors that actually has the penchant and flair for comedy.
01:17:44
Speaker
Like it's easy to go from comedy to drama. It is not easy to go from drama to comedy. Not always. Yeah. It's more of an uphill thing. Look at look at like someone like Robert De Niro who's attempted several comedies and fervently. Few, if any of them, have really hit.
01:18:04
Speaker
I mean, I think i'm meet Meet the Parents in that franchise, I think, is the closest he's gotten to a comedy series hitting. And honestly, a lot of that is because of Ben Stiller, not because of him.
01:18:15
Speaker
and but like like He did a movie where he played a fucking stand-up comic. That was egregious, Tucker. Egregious. Yeah. Here's the deal. um Fuck me. like Sometimes.
01:18:27
Speaker
Fuck you. Fuck me. um Correct.
Comedy in Film: The Straight Man Approach
01:18:32
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You got it right. Sometimes being the straight man takes as much comic timing as being the goofball.
01:18:43
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Take for example, Tommy Lee Jones in Men in Black. That man's timing as the straight man makes half of the other shit work. Like if they weren't together- 100%.
01:18:54
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100%. No, and again, as someone who's had to play the straight man before, I absolutely understand that. The thing is not every dramatic not every dramatic actor can play the straight man well.
01:19:09
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Will Smith, for example. That's why Wild Wild West didn't do well, because he was the straight man.
01:19:16
Speaker
Kevin Clive, bless his heart. Such a sweet boy. Did so well that movie. Good for him. i don't think that movie really could figure out who was supposed to be the comedic actor and who was supposed to be the straight man.
01:19:27
Speaker
Well, the thing is when Kevin Clive was around, Will Smith was the straight man. But when he wasn't around, Will Smith was a silly, silly fun boy. but But any scene where he's in with Kenneth Branagh, like Kenneth Branagh's playing it so big.
01:19:41
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like go back and listen to our episode on Wild Wild West. We should get another episode about it because there's so much stuff about that movie. Fuck you, no. That's my Christmas movie.
01:19:53
Speaker
I know it is. Fuck you. um the Here's the thing. Fantastic Four opens to, what did I say? 25.7. 25.7? 20... twenty seven twenty twenty five point seven even That is on its way to 56.1. What's the budget on this, Stephen? What's the budget? the The budget, according to the numbers, is $120 million. oh no. it's barely
01:20:24
Speaker
It barely makes half of that. No, not even. doesn't even make half of that domestic. It makes 56.1 domestic. no just just shy of um And then you get ah the international. you It does do pretty well overseas. It gets 111.7 million ah international for a total worldwide of
01:20:51
Speaker
eight million that we not yeah number marketing No, 100% not. Like typically you want to get double your budget domestic to make sure you cover everything and come out even to break even. That's what you need.
01:21:09
Speaker
And this movie doesn't even do that. So like this movie makes half, less than half of its budget domestic. So there's no fucking way this is kicking off a new Fantastic Four franchise.
01:21:20
Speaker
um And again, every Fantastic Four movie has is flawed in its own way. I hold out hope for the new one. Again, I'm to wait. to see the numbers. I'm going to wait to see the reviews when they come out.
01:21:34
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I'm probably going to watch a couple spoiler reviews before I go see it. if it feels If it feels like something that would be worthy to see in theaters, I will go see it in theaters. Otherwise, I'm just going to wait for it to hit streaming, and I will watch it then.
01:21:48
Speaker
Unless I drive up to Chicago, and then you said you'd treat me to double feature. so True. I'm not buying your snacks, though. Yes, we got this on the field. I'm not buying your snacks though.
01:21:59
Speaker
You buy your own damn snacks. No. Yeah. Well, snacks have to be bought though because that's the only way a theater makes money. So true. And so I'm going to leave that to you. You can buy your own damn snacks. I will buy my snacks, but I will not buy yours.
01:22:12
Speaker
This is a real tooky PSA. Hey, if you can afford it, please buy snacks at movie theaters. That's the only way they survive. I mean, a hundred percent. That's why. And here's the thing.
01:22:23
Speaker
ah That is why. 100% why. Almost every time I go to the movies, I do buy snacks. At least a beverage. When I went to Superman, I did buy a beverage.
01:22:35
Speaker
I usually buy a beer, and if I have enough regal points, I get a free small popcorn. Oh, nice. About every two or three visits, I have enough regal points. So it's pretty nice.
01:22:46
Speaker
yeah There's no Regal Theaters near me but I stay loyal specifically For the rewards program Fair, that's that's what rewards Programs are for, for your loyalty maybe you You pay For your loyalty, 100% If I don't spend any points on popcorn If I go to the movies Like five times The next one's free Because of my points That's really nice Really nice nice The tomatometer score for fan four
Critical Reception and Ratings of Fantastic Four
01:23:18
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stick is 9%. 9%. Wow.
01:23:21
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Nine person wow nine times. The critics' consensus dull and downbeat this Fantastic Four proves a woefully misguided attempt to translate a classic comic series without humor, joy, or colorful thrills that made it great. You know what, critics' consensus? 100% agree. I agree that. Yeah, I agree with caveats, but I agree.
01:23:47
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Sure, sure, sure. um the ah The meta score is a 27 based on 40 generally unfavorable reviews from critics. And Tucker, out of five stars, how do you think Letterboxd falls on Fan4Stick?
01:24:06
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It's between 1.8 2.3. one point eight and two point three You overshot it, man. It's a 1.3. So, well, I wasn't that close.
01:24:18
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Really? 1.3? Wow. 1.3. were a full half half a point away. It's a 1.3. This movie, not well regarded by many, if any, at all.
01:24:31
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um tucker out of uh first of all oh before i move on i do want to because i pulled this up for a reason i wanted to compare this with the other films in the fantastic four franchise um the most profitable one is the original tim story film from 2005. that one earns 154 282 100 154 that one earns a hundred and fifty four thousand two hundred eighty two or how do ah hundred and fifty foot $154,282,243. That I'm sorry, me check The... faster.
01:25:03
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um that is the i'm sorry let me check here ah the the
01:25:14
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01:25:18
Speaker
So I told you the alcohol was hitting. I just have to pee so bad it hurts. It hurts, Steven. 56.1 million for the original Fantastic Four. So that might be close to the worldwide box office um or accumulated, but i don't know.
01:25:34
Speaker
ah Fantastic for Rise of the Silver Surfer. ah That's the second most profitable, actually slightly more profitable domestically. 58.1 million, one 333 million worldwide. And movie, again, you get worldwide ah the first one did three thirty three million worldwide and then this movie again you get a Oh, no, no. sorry. The first Fantastic Four gets 154.7 domestic. The second one gets 132 million domestic. then this movie gets 56 million domestic.
01:26:08
Speaker
not a real moneymaker, this movie. Absolutely. million domestic the and then this movie gets fifty six million ah domestic so not not a real mo not a real movie ah like moneymaker this movie um So yeah, just wanted to throw that out. Tough and five stars. How are you you? How many are you giving to Fan4Stick 2015? I'm glad you mentioned all of that, Steven. I'm going to give it two stars.
01:26:34
Speaker
um Not because it's good or because it deserves any of those stars in its final presentation, but I can see something really rad there. Something that we'll never see. Like maybe not even the original cut of this movie, but there's something there that could have been really, really cool.
01:26:51
Speaker
Really, really cool. I'm giving it two as well. I'm giving it, God bless you. I'm giving it one for Michael B. Jordan. I'm giving it one for the body horror, which is I think the most successfully implemented element of this film.
01:27:03
Speaker
So yeah. Part of the film. Right. And again, like I get what they're trying to do, but I also that's not Fantastic Four. God bless you. um So that that's kind of where we land.
01:27:16
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um I hold out hope for the new film. I hope it's good. I really want it to be good. Like I want – I want these movies to be true to their comic book origins because I think, again, that's when they're going to be the most successful.
Staying True to Comic Origins
01:27:30
Speaker
I think that is what people are really resonating with with the new gun film. ah The new gun Superman film is the fact that it is really true to its superhero, its comic book origins versus you know the Snyder film, which wasn't.
01:27:45
Speaker
and that's all you have to do to make a successful adaptation is you can do whatever you want with it as long as it keeps the same you know, tone, number one. the The spirit, yeah. The spirit of the comics. It doesn't even have to be that rigid to the comics at all, just the spirit of the thing.
01:28:05
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um So I am gonna go ahead and call it. um Tucker, go ahead and give your your um your're yourre socials now, and then I'll do the rest while you go pee.
01:28:19
Speaker
ah Yeah, do your socials, and I'll do the podcast socials after. Hey, it's me, Tucker, and I'm on Instagram, and I'm also on YouTube at Ice909. That's I-C-E-N-I-N-E, the number zero, and the number nine.
01:28:33
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Also, Tuck Mugs has been posting some stuff lately. Not too much, but on a pretty regular basis, and you can go there and check that out because it's really cool. Mugs are tight. Everybody loves mugs, and it's really wholesome and a good time on an otherwise shitty platform.
01:28:46
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So check out Tuck Mugs on Instagram. That's Tuck underscore Mugs on Instagram. Instagram. Take it away, Steven. Thank you. This has been the Disenfranchised Podcast. You can find us ah on all the socials. No, I'm sorry. Strike that. Not all the socials. You can find us on Blue Sky, YouTube, and Letterboxd. That's the only three places where we're kind we're consistently updating these days.
01:29:14
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at disenfranch pod. ah Shoot us an email disenfranch pod at gmail.com. Let us know how we're doing and provide us that constructive feedback that we open. If there's something we could legitimately be doing better, let us know what it is. And we will be absolutely up for implementing some of those changes. If, if they, again, they are constructive and within our ah level of ah level of ability to do so.
Future Content and Closing Remarks
01:29:40
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um ah You can also follow us on Patreon. Join the official conversation of the Disenfranchise podcast, Patreon.com slash DisenfranchisePod.
01:29:52
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ah You can join for free and converse with Tucker and I. We do respond to comments on that platform. I've been having a conversation regarding a discussion we had last week about the ah possibility of doing a month of ah failed TV pilots.
01:30:09
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A thing I've been with ah with our with our buddy Norvin, I have actually been compiling a list. There's there's a lot there. there are some there There's stuff that could happen. Tucker and I are in conversations right now.
01:30:22
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ah You can also um ah join at level. For month, you can listen to... just hours, days, Tucker would say, of of additional content, including ah episodes of additional podcasts like Diss in Five Chies, where we do top five lists, Unenfranchised, where we cover ah pot or ah movies that killed off franchises.
01:30:49
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All of that available there, but patreon.com slash disenfranch pod. Um, you can find me, your host, Stephen Foxworthy at, uh, on blue sky and letterbox at, um, chewy walrus.
01:31:08
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And that is our episode on, 2015's fan for stick directed by Josh Trank. um Join us next week for a brand new episode. I don't even know what we're covering next week. I didn't look at the schedule, so I don't know what it is, but, oh no, I do. It's a straight up.
01:31:30
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It's a straight up. I'm going to try to, I'm going to try to connect with our guest and see when he's available to record. Yeah, well, hope it's available. that Either way.
01:31:42
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I know. i hope it's It's a good one. We've had to cancel on this guest already this year, so I'm really hoping we can get him in. breaking shit. All right. um well That has been our episode on 2015's Fan4Stick.
01:31:57
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Until next time, I am your host, Stephen Foxworthy, for my co-host, Tucker, and the i invariably absent Brett Wright. Until next time... Please don't blow up.
01:32:09
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Please don't blow up. Please don't blow up