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REWIND 010 - The Happytime Murders (2018) w/ Katy Doyle
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“I don't take compliments well, but I get them all the time.”
The Naked Gun remake hits theaters this weekend, so we're taking a break from our regular schedule to rewind back to our Jim Henson theme month from 2022 when we talked about another cop comedy… but this one has PUPPETS! PLUS, we're joined by one of Stephen's former students, filmmaker Katy Doyle! (Don't worry - it gets awkward!)
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Transcript
Introduction to Disenfranchised Podcast
00:00:10
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I'll say good for you.
00:00:23
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Hello and welcome to the Disenfranchise Podcast, that podcast all about those franchises of one, those films that fancied themselves full-fledged franchises before falling flat on their face after the first film.
00:00:35
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I'm one of your hosts, Tucker, and this week, due to some scheduling difficulties, we will be reaching all the way back to episode 95 of the show where Stephen and Brett discussed what I consider to be one of the most disappointing films of all time, Brian Henson's The Happy Time Murders.
00:00:51
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Such potential will What a waste. I don't remember how Stephen and Brett felt about it. I haven't listened to it since it aired a million years ago. So let's find out together. And until next week.
Jim Henson Theme Month Conclusion
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courage Hi-ho, everyone, and welcome to the Disenfranchised Podcast, where that podcast all about those franchises of one, those films that fancy themselves full-fledged franchises before falling flat on their face after the first film.
00:01:17
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And this is it, the final entry in our most sensational, inspirational, celebrational, muppetational Jim Henson theme month. And I'm your host, Stephen Foxworthy.
00:01:29
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ah Joining me, as always, ah is the man whose Google search history may or may not include the term peel offing. It's my co-host, Brett Wright. Hey, Brett. Hello, ah Stephen. How are we doing, buddy?
00:01:41
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Doing right, man. How are you? I'm doing OK. I'm doing OK. um P laughing man. Ooh, yikes. I don't want to talk about it. It's okay. We don't have to. i We try not to kink shame. So I'm not going to say anything like that. I don't want to be judged.
00:01:55
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No. And I would never. Don't judge me I would never do judging you, sir. After all we've been through, heaven forfend.
Guest Introduction: Katie Doyle
00:02:02
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Absolutely. And Brett, we are joined. Of all the movies to have a guest, we are joined by a very special guest. It's it's her first time on the pod.
00:02:14
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um Please welcome YouTube sensation and Elizabeth Olsen stand Katie Doyle. What's up, Katie? Hello. What is up? How's it going? I'm doing all right. i am rather nervous to ah discuss this particular film.
00:02:33
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Why might you be nervous to discuss this particular film, Katie? What, what, what in our history could possibly lead to you being nervous about discussing this film? Well, first of all, I had no idea what I was getting myself into. had never seen this movie.
00:02:48
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I knew nothing about it other than the fact that it had some puppets and Melissa McCarthy. Um, and you, used to teach me in middle school and high school. Yeah.
00:03:00
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I've known you since sixth grade. Yeah. When I was your sixth grade Bible teacher. Not only were you my teacher, you were my teacher of the holy word of God. True.
00:03:12
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but that is That is a thing that happened and and we all let it happen. Yeah. um But yeah.
Discussion on The Happytime Murders
00:03:18
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So ah which makes our discussion of this movie all the more awkward for pretty much everybody but Brett, honestly.
00:03:26
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all So let's Brett. What movie are we talking about today? We're talking about 2018's The Happy Time Murders. Yes. The happy time murder is from 2018, directed by, uh, Brian Henson and starring Melissa McCarthy, Bill Beretta, Maya Rudolph, Joe McHale, Elizabeth Banks, Leslie David Baker, Michael McDonald, ah Doreen Davies, Kevin clash, Drew Massey, Colleen Smith, Alice Denien and Brian Henson. And so, so, so many others.
00:04:00
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Um, What a cast? What a picture? right and Maybe. Look, honestly, i was I didn't know that Brian Enson directed this.
00:04:12
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Yeah. That's something I learned. And it gave me a little bit more hope for this movie. And then I watched the movie. I was like, oh, that's unfortunate. Yeah. yeah um So, Katie, I'm...
00:04:24
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you You mentioned earlier you'd never seen this movie before. I sent you a list basically of movies that we had on the slate to cover that we didn't have guests already paired for. And you chose this one with an alarming amount of speed. A movie that I now know that neither of us had seen prior to this. And Brett, I'm sure, had not either.
00:04:44
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No. Yeah. so So what made you pick this one? Well... on Happy Time Murders just sounded interesting. i had never even heard of it.
00:04:57
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I was like, that's an interesting title. Let's do that. And then I Googled it and I was like, oh Melissa McCarthy sounds good to me. and then I watched it last night and I was like, oh no um What have I done?
00:05:13
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Awesome. ah you You hadn't even watched the trailer for this movie. No, not until a week ago. And what did you think upon watching the trailer? What was, what was your train of thought there?
00:05:26
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Well, I was alarmed. It wasn't even a whole week ago. i haven't even been in the country for a week. And so I like got home from my vacation and i was like, oh, I should probably watch that trailer and then watch the movie.
00:05:41
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And I watched the trailer and i was like, oh no. Um, I was like, maybe it's not that bad. Maybe it's not that bad. Maybe they showed the worst parts in the trailer. Boy, did they not.
00:05:53
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No. Because that's the thing, right? Like, the trailer is the tease. It's like, hey, what you think best parts and right if you think if you think this is, you know, wholly unforgivable, wait till you see the movie.
00:06:07
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Wait till you see what we couldn't show you. And so, yeah, that's that is absolutely the energy going into this movie. it It feels like a dare.
00:06:20
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It feels like a movie that was made on a dare. Can I say that? Is that... Seems seems apt, I would say. that's Yeah, that's safe. That's a safe assumption, I think. Yeah.
00:06:32
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um From what I'm given to understand, this is something that Brian Henson in particular had wanted to make... for a long time. um It looks like he started developing this in 2008.
00:06:49
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So there were all sorts of there's like 10 years of lead in before this movie actually ends up getting made. you have a number of different actresses attached as the lead, which I'm sure we'll talk about as we get going.
00:07:02
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um But I think it it kind of comes down to this notion And it's a similar thing with animators is that puppeteers are kind of horny and don't have an outlet for their horniness in the art that they create.
00:07:21
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A lot of different female actors in mind to play the lead, depending on kind of what era we were looking at is kind of would determine who was what we can get into that a little later.
00:07:32
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um In terms of. why this movie took so long to develop and, and why this was like Henson's passion project that he really wanted to make.
00:07:44
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I keep coming back to the notion and the idea, and it's similar to animators is that in West, in the Western world, like animation and puppetry are considered media for children.
00:07:58
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And so yeah, Animators and puppeteers don't have an outlet for their inherent horniness in their art the way that other filmmakers might do. And so the notion of making just an incredibly horny, filthy adult puppet film has to be somewhat ah like like the white whale for a lot of these these filmmakers, I would imagine.
00:08:26
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yeah that makes sense i think yeah i was watching like an interview of brian henson and yeah i mean it just seemed like he cared a lot and like a lot of love went into this this like he talked about his favorite moments and stuff and like how long it took um i don't know it's wild he cares a lot about us you know silly string ejaculation I mean, don't we all?
00:08:58
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um Maybe maybe we don't. i don't know. Maybe I'm maybe I'm telling on myself here. I don't know. like We don't kink shame, Steven. That's right. It's not a thing we do on this podcast. um But yeah, this this movie is its it's basically it's like meet the feebles and or let my puppets come meet like Who Framed Roger Rabbit or Chinatown. Like it's got that kind of no noir sensibility, but with puppets.
00:09:29
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But it's also. and Insanely adult, it's such an adult movie like I can't this might be the filthiest movie we've covered on this podcast. hands down hands down yeah yeah yeah so i i don't know like i just let's just get into it gosh let's just do it katie i think I think it's time.
00:09:54
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um Oh, actually, no. but Let's put a pause on this. Let's not do this yet. Because, Katie, we have not asked you yet what your history with Jim Henson is. This is kind of our Jim Henson theme month. It's the reason for the season.
00:10:07
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It is. yeah Tis the season and tis the reason. um This whole month has been us talking about Jim Henson and kind of his... his impact. And now this weekend and last week, we're talking about his legacy, kind of what he's left behind and like it or not, this movie is a hundred percent a part of that legacy.
00:10:28
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um So I guess, what is your ah connection to Jim Henson, to his, his products, to his characters, to his creations? What, tell us a little bit about you and Henson.
00:10:40
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Well, was just a wee lad when I was watching these movies, like the Muppets and whatnot. I haven't like sat down and watched a puppet or like a Muppet movie in quite some time. this is like my first movie back into it, but it was so weird watching this movie because I used to watch the Muppet films with my grandpa.
00:11:07
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And that was like my connection. Like he, he just had them and like on VHS. Right. Yeah. So it was just very like nostalgic and childhood. so It was a little strange watching this movie and watching something that was like so much my childhood, ah like watch it be so perverted.
00:11:27
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Do we feel like your childhood was ruined as a result of this movie? I wouldn't say ruined, but it was definitely strange. But that would be like mostly my like relation to, mean, Henson in general, because like,
00:11:45
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I know the Muppets were just like such a big part of, I think anyone who's my age, like such a big part of their childhood. Like that was always a thing, like seeing Kermit and Miss Piggy, like those were just big characters for when I was little.
00:12:00
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Did you grow up watching Sesame street? A little bit. Was that part of your childhood? Not a ton, but a little bit. I liked Elmo. So I had a lot of Elmo stuff, but I didn't really watch Elmo. I just had a lot of Elmo toys.
00:12:15
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Yeah, see, and you're from like the generation before ours, yeah after ours, who is very like, see, Elmo was not really a part of our childhoods as much like he was peripheral at best.
00:12:27
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Yeah, no, he actually. now that we're talking about Elmo, it reminds me, Elmo was my first word. Like before mom and dad. That's amazing.
00:12:38
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So I mean, if that if that's, if that's not a, uh, an incredibly accurate distillation of priorities, I don't know what is, um, but and the Muppets, I mean, that was a lot bigger cause my grandpa really liked it and I would hang out with my grandparents a lot. So it was the Muppets.
00:12:59
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All right. Cool. I mean, yeah, we're both Brett and i are both big Muppet kids, big Sesame Street kids. Brett was a big Fraggle Rock kid. So, I mean, you know, we we we love us some Jim Henson and always love talking about Henson, talking about puppets, which means this is just this is this is going to challenge for sure. Yeah.
00:13:20
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But let's let's start talking about the movie on the table, which is 2018 The Happy Time Murders. And before we get too deep into it, we need to discuss the plot of this film.
00:13:33
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Katie, as our guest, you have graciously volunteered. to read or to read, to recite the plot of this film in 60 seconds or less, which is a segment we call the plot in 60 seconds. We do it every week. We normally recount the plot of the film in 60 seconds or less. So we don't have to spend the entire episode talking about just the plot of the movie. So ah we usually ask a guest to do it when we have one. And Katie, you have accepted that invitation.
00:14:05
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oh yeah. I'm a little nervous, a little sweaty. This is intense. This is a big deal. it It is not a big deal. it is such it is it is the antithesis of a big deal.
00:14:19
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We handle this sort of thing all the time. ah Oh, yeah. OK. I did listen to the in car episode right before this to prep. I was like, OK, it's fine. I'll be fine. So you know what not to do?
00:14:32
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a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Don't, don't, don't get lost in the first 10 minutes. It's, it's a, it's a very easy mistake to make. A lot of first timers do it.
00:14:43
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um I'm going to go ahead. Yeah. just So don't um avoid, avoid that trap. It's a trap. I'll try not to, um but I'm going to go ahead and I've got a minute on the clock. I will give you the 30 second and 10 second warning. So you kind of have an idea of what's of kind of where you stand on time.
00:15:01
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And yeah, And yeah, I've got, I've got 60 seconds on the clock. So whenever you are ready, I will, I'll start the timer. Are you ready, Katie? I'm ready. All right. Your time starts right now.
00:15:17
Speaker
Okay. So former cop now is on a case. He is trying to figure out who is murdering these puppets.
00:15:32
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And he's put on to partner with his old partner from the police department who got him kicked off the force. So this is a buddy cop movie about former partners.
00:15:46
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And they're trying to figure out who's killing these puppets. 30 seconds. They're on the case. They're going hot. And they go through twists and turns.
00:15:57
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They have a very surprising moment where they find out that the pi was actually making love with the killer.
00:16:09
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And then they get it figured out. and But everyone dies before everyone gets murdered before it's over. So yeah, that's it, honestly.
00:16:20
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And that is time right there. pretty So yeah, that was that was a very leisurely stroll through the plot in 60 seconds. That was just almost a spoiler-free plot in 60 seconds. I should not go too crazy.
00:16:35
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I just wanted to to be like almost like a log line. Yeah. I mean, it was very like it was very steady. um you You took your time, you paced yourself, and it paid off.
00:16:45
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So well done. We can learn a thing or two. Honestly, we should learn a thing two. Thank you. I try to not. you know, spoil or stutter. So.
00:16:57
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Well, I think you did well on both counts, although ah charitable of you ah to call what they were doing, making love, quite frankly. Yeah. Right.
00:17:08
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Right.
00:17:12
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i it right you're right It was a It was a little trashier than that. Oh, it was, it was tawdry. That was, that was downright, that was, that was some straight up fornication is what that was.
00:17:25
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Yeah, that was, that was some like Sodom and Gomorrah.
00:17:32
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Mm-hmm. And of course, the capper on it all is, you know, the the five minute silly string ejaculate um that that that follows that scene. um Yeah, that didn't go on for too long at all.
00:17:48
Speaker
No, gosh. It you know, like i I have a tendency to to kind of run a bit. a little too far.
00:17:59
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um That was that was a little much. um You know, if you've ever wanted to see a puppet ejaculate silly string for a long time, easily 60 solid seconds, if not more.
00:18:14
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um Hey, have I got a movie for you? It's 2018's The Happy Time Murders. Like this was the line and they just sprinted Right over it.
00:18:26
Speaker
Oh, yeah. they They shot Silly String just like 10 feet out over that line. um Like, oh, my goodness. This I. i think that that is probably of all the scenes in this movie, that is probably the wine that I think was it was in the trailers. It was a trailer scene.
00:18:46
Speaker
And I think it's probably the one that got the most. I think it was. the most polarizing scene perhaps in the movie. It's the one that determines, okay, if you're into this, you are either going to love this movie or you are going to hate this movie. If you if you're into this, you're going to love it.
00:19:03
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If you're not into this, this movie is not for you. Yeah. Whereas I, I don't know. I didn't hate this movie, but I really didn't like it either. So what does that make me?
00:19:15
Speaker
Was I just okay with the spray can jizz? ah And see, that's just it. I don't know where, Brett, where do you stand on the silly string jizz?
00:19:24
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It went on for a little bit too long, but it was maybe if it only done it for like 10 seconds, it would have been a funny joke. Okay. What is, for you, the funniest joke in this movie? that's That's a question, all right.
00:19:39
Speaker
Isn't it? I don't know. don't know.
00:19:49
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and ah I don't know, man. I know. I can't think of one off top of my head, so I don't know if I even have one. Katie, do you have a funny, a funniest joke or gag in this movie?
00:20:03
Speaker
I think just the banter between Phil Phillips and Connie Edwards, they had a decent dynamic, like their lines back and forth. I usually was chuckling.
00:20:20
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And I hate that I laughed at it, but Connie snorting the sugar, it got me a little bit. She like didn't do it and I was like, haha. I was like, shit, I just laughed.
00:20:35
Speaker
You laughed at this movie game. I will, I will agree with that. Like the, it feels very, um it feels very Muppety that like she has a Muppet part inside of her that makes her addicted to sugar.
00:20:48
Speaker
Like that's, it's, it is kind of funny. Like I hate to admit it, but it is kind of funny. It's because it's like that joke, like wouldn't work in a different universe, but like, it makes sense in this universe that,
00:21:03
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and it gets a chuckle. I don't know. I was like, okay, that's funny in this scenario. Anywhere else. And that would just be a little bit dumb. I mean, it was still dumb. There's a lot of, and I think anytime you get a movie that tries to do what this movie is, is doing, uh, we talked not that long ago, just last month, actually about who framed Roger rabbit, which is a movie that I was reminded of a lot while watching this movie.
00:21:30
Speaker
Just, I mean, they're both kind of these noir movies involving, um
00:21:37
Speaker
marginalized classes, private investigators, um a a wanted member of a a framed member, frankly, of of one of those marginalized classes seeking refuge with a law enforcement officer um of the dominant population. class, like it's, it's all kind of baked into this movie, but every time that they do something like that, where we've got in this movie, it's puppets and people in who friend Roger rabbits, it's people and tunes.
00:22:07
Speaker
There's this very striking dichotomy between the two classes. And there are, certain little like in jokes and things that you think are euphemistic, but in fact are literally just the thing. And that's the joke.
00:22:24
Speaker
So like in who framed Roger rabbit, it's, we talked about this on the episode. It's the patty cake, right? Like patty cake is euphemism for sex. And then you find out, no, they're actually just they're they're playing patty cake.
00:22:35
Speaker
Like, that's the joke. In this one, it's the sugar addiction. Like, oh, we're going to snort some stuff off of a mirror. oh it's actually it's sugar. It's just legitimately sugar.
00:22:46
Speaker
And this is an addictive substance for puppets, but not for people. Or maybe this is like, it's like the super sugar, right? So a normal person, this would put into a diabetic coma.
00:22:57
Speaker
But if you're a puppet, like it's just a ah regular addictive substance. Right. and I think that's what they said. Well, no, cause there's, there's the very high quality purple sugar. And then there's like the low grade white sugar that she licks off of the pee stained mirror later.
00:23:16
Speaker
That was something. i That whole scene was something. like She rubs it on her teeth, too. like yeah like That got me. I was like, damn, why was that funny? I mean, again, and if we've and I've never done the hard drugs myself, but, you know, seen enough movies with drug addicts in them to know that, you know, apparently rubbing the stuff on your gums is like a way to ingest the high quickly, I guess.
00:23:42
Speaker
So that's, I think, what she was imitating there. But, you know, I like those kind of clever world building things. If I can say something that I did enjoy about this movie, I think the world building is actually pretty fun.
00:23:56
Speaker
Um, did we like the, the puppets as kind of a, um,
00:24:04
Speaker
uh, I don't want to say euphemism is kind of a stand in for, uh, for, for racism. Did that, did that work for anybody? Just bigotry, like just the entire people groups. Like, I don't know.
00:24:16
Speaker
I appreciated that too. Like I was watching it and I was like, oh yeah. I mean, that, that works. Um, I thought that was cool. It was a little hard to take that seriously, though, like with everything else.
00:24:31
Speaker
But it was still cool that they got that message like cross either way. I did appreciate that, too. So. Yeah, and it's not something that just got thrown away either. Like it's throughout the entire movie, like the EMT and the ambulance at the end is doesn't want to treat him because he's a puppet.
00:24:48
Speaker
Mm hmm. me And I mean, in that in that sense, it reminds me of the original novel for for Who Framed Roger Rabbit in that this is kind of the. Like kind of the extension of what that book was doing in that.
00:25:04
Speaker
Toons are clearly a stand-in for ah marginalized class, and they're looked down upon and kind of um relegated to a certain subset of humanity as a result. And puppets kind of play that role in this movie. And i i i I'm inclined to agree with you, Katie. I think it could have been significantly more...
00:25:24
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um
00:25:27
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powerful, substantive. I think there could have been more done with that. um If that's what they, this movie was actually about, but it feels like it's just a piece of what they were trying to do and not the thing they wanted to make the movie about.
00:25:41
Speaker
um It seems like let's just make a dirty puppet movie and, Oh, Hey, cool. Wouldn't it be cool if we kind of like made puppets marginalized so we can kind of maybe like make it seem like it's about something.
00:25:53
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it just felt like it was a bit of a side note. I mean, it was nice that it was a theme, like Brett said, throughout the whole movie. like They didn't just drop it. But it definitely like wasn't the main point by any means.
00:26:07
Speaker
Yeah, I would be inclined to agree there. and i And again, I think that could have been done a lot more successfully than it ultimately was. Kind of a bummer that it was... i don't know. It felt like it was used kind of more...
00:26:23
Speaker
as a seasoning and instead of being the highlight of the dish, which, we yeah yeah, this, I mean, this movie is not, there's no universe where this movie takes itself that seriously, Steven, that's not going to happen.
00:26:34
Speaker
Yeah. And that's, and that's fair, I suppose. But, you know, I think we've seen goofy comedies that at their heart are actually about something. Right. And I think this could have been one of those, but I don't think that's what anyone involved in this movie wanted this movie to be, I think is, is really what I'm kind of getting at.
00:26:51
Speaker
Yeah, that just wasn't the end goal. And that's fine. I mean, that's totally fine. They didn't have to include it at all. Yeah. Yeah, it just could have, like, it did have more potential, but it's fine that they didn't do that, too.
00:27:05
Speaker
it It feels like a way for them to kind of include and inject some...
00:27:11
Speaker
What's the word I'm looking for? um Some conflict between the two leads for there to be kind of this, well, she's kind of racist. He's part of the reason why, like, there's this kind of back and forth there between the two of them that it feels like that that's baked in more for just to kind of add a little more conflict to make the movie work.
00:27:36
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in In my mind, and I don't know. I don't know if you guys um agree with that point or not, but that was just kind of how I saw it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, I would agree with you on that.
00:27:48
Speaker
And I think it worked. I mean, like, even though it wasn't the main point, like, I do think that it worked to help keep the story more interesting. Because I think that the story, i mean, it wasn't like anything super crazy. i mean, it was entertaining, but ah it wasn't the most interesting and so i think having that extra conflict definitely helped keep it a little more little more interesting sure instead of just ejaculation jokes right which is what i expected when i went into this movie just nothing but dirty joke after dirty joke with no substance whatsoever um and so i'm glad that there was more story there was more significance yeah
00:28:40
Speaker
Substance. And yeah, and I think it probably could have been handled a little better, but we get what we get and that's fine.
00:28:51
Speaker
um So, yeah, I don't know. That's kind of where where I'm at. um All good Muppet movies have ah cameos and celebrity guest stars. And hey, this movie is no exception.
00:29:06
Speaker
Um, we've, we've got, we've got a few, ah recognizable faces starting with Melissa McCarthy as our lead. how do we feel about Melissa McCarthy? um Katie, we'll start with you. I think, I think you might have a extremely positive take here. So we'll start with you.
00:29:23
Speaker
Yeah. i love Melissa McCarthy. some of her roles are a little silly, ah little ridiculous, but. I first got to know her as Suki from Gilmore Girls.
00:29:39
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And so she's just always held ah special place in my heart since that. Cause I've watched that. I mean, since I was a toddler. So that's just, I don't know. I have a lot of positive feelings about that. And I love her in Bridesmaids as dumb as that movie is.
00:29:56
Speaker
still haven't seen that. Are you serious? Oh, it's so good. I want to, it's on my list. I just haven't gotten around to it yet. Yeah, it's a good one. But I think that she's funny, um even if some of her roles are a little cringy.
00:30:12
Speaker
i do enjoy her. I know that if I'm going to watch a movie with her in it, I'm going to have a good chuckle at least once.
00:30:21
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And this movie was no exception, even if it made me cringe. For most of it, I still enjoyed watching her. So... We're going to get into cringiest moments here shortly, for sure.
00:30:35
Speaker
yeah Brett, Melissa McCarthy thoughts? I'm on record as being not the biggest Melissa McCarthy fan. um Just because of the aforementioned cringiness and goofiness of her comedy style.
00:30:51
Speaker
Not really my thing. um But I will say, I really liked her in this movie. Interesting. I feel like maybe... when she has a script and sticks to it, she's a lot better.
00:31:04
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um Maybe it's the, maybe it's the, her improvisation skills, because definitely the, I mean, I was talking about it right now. The cringiest parts of the movie for me, or when it's just her and my Rudolph's character and multiple times over and over where they do the ghostbusters 2016 thing, where we're going to tell you a joke and then we're going to explain the joke.
00:31:26
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And we're going to make sure you understood our explanation of the joke. And then we're going to revisit it just a couple more times just to make sure that it came across correctly.
00:31:37
Speaker
Exactly. Yeah. um ah Yeah, I i am, i'm um I guess I'm kind of right in between you guys when it comes to Melissa McCarthy. i I like her in roles like Gilmore Girls where she's significantly more grounded, um where she feels like an actual real person and she can play that really well.
00:31:58
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um But I think by and large, after since Bridesmaids, her mode has always been, let's go as far over the top as possible, which I think works if she's a secondary character like she is in Bridesmaids. But I don't think works as well when she is the lead of the movie.
00:32:18
Speaker
Because really, you want your point of view character, your protagonist, to be... someone relatable that you can see yourself in. And if you're going that hard over the top to be as goofy and silly as you can, it's going to be really hard for us to plug into you.
00:32:36
Speaker
I would agree with that. Like, I love her in Gilmore Girls. And sometimes it's hard for me to like disconnect her from that because that's what I knew her has for so long.
00:32:48
Speaker
And then I watch a role like that. She's in a new movie and I'm like, I didn't love that, but I still love her. but Like that's kind of where I'm at with her um But she reminds me like her roles.
00:33:01
Speaker
I feel like she's been kind of put in a lot of the same type of things. Similarly to like Rebel Wilson, Fat Amy type personas, just like very like loud humor, very abrasive humor, yeah which can be hard to watch sometimes. Like it's funny occasionally, but it doesn't always hit the mark.
00:33:25
Speaker
But I still love her. Even if I don't love all of her roles, I think she's cool. Right. And that that's that's awesome. Like it that's that's absolutely fantastic. She's married to Ben Falcone, who is has a cameo in this movie. Actually, does any does any did anyone catch the Ben Falcone cameo in this movie? i don't know who that is.
00:33:46
Speaker
He's the purple guy, right? ah No, Ben Falcone is Donnie. um she's yeah she's leaving the office and basically being like fuck you fuck you you seem cool wish we'd gotten to know each other wish i'd have fucked you donnie he's like there's still time yeah that's that is her actual real life husband yeah i knew that he was in it like after the fact and then i was trying to like replay i was like wait was he muppet i couldn't tell No, I mean, that would have been hilarious.
00:34:18
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Most of the movies that she does now, though, are movies that he has directed. Movies like Tammy and The Boss and Life of the Party and Super Intelligence and probably future episode of this podcast, Thunder Force.
00:34:36
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Like, she's in all of those movies, and those are movies that he directs. So that's kind of like... he shows up in cameos and movies that she's in Like he's in bridesmaids. I think he's the guy that she's flirting with on the plane.
00:34:49
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um And then like, she'll show up and lead pretty much any movie that he directs. So they kind of have that like Hollywood couple that likes to work together kind of energy.
00:35:03
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Respect. That's cool. Nice work. If you can get it right. Yeah. yeah The boss was a lot. If you haven't seen it I have not. Prepare yourself. It's a lot. I saw it like five years ago whenever it first came out and was in theaters.
00:35:20
Speaker
But I mean, it's a lot, it's very raunchy, similar to this. Is it as raunchy as this? Cause I have a hard time believing that any live action movie without puppets can be quite this raunchy. Maybe not quite as intense. You know, there's no silly string ejaculation, but, um, it is.
00:35:37
Speaker
pretty pretty intense. There is a lot. Is there a scene with an octopus milking a full uttered cow? Milking. Let's put milking in quotations. Milking the cow.
00:35:49
Speaker
yeah I mean, he is he is literally milking the cow, but it is not it is played as though that is not milk. Yeah. ah Sad to say. That did not happen.
00:36:01
Speaker
Okay. All right. Touche. But yeah, that is that is a thing that happens in this movie also. ah There is an octopus that is, again, let's heavy air quotes here, milking a full uttered cow.
00:36:16
Speaker
You know, and that's just like I cringe and I like giggle about it right now because we're discussing it. but when I was watching it, I was like, You know, for having so frequently the humor of a 12 year old boy, this is not my humor.
00:36:33
Speaker
i was like, this is just weird. and i felt bad. I was like, this is weird. And then was like, I don't feel bad. This is weird. ah No, it it it it is weird, and that's the point, right? Oh, yeah.
00:36:47
Speaker
This movie is kind of one of those things. And again, this is a passion project of Henson's. Like, can I make a vividly adult NC-17? I think this was actually rated R, but like NC-17-esque puppet movie.
00:37:02
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ah Something that really had not been done since Team America World Police, where you have the... the the marionette puppet sex scene.
00:37:13
Speaker
um Like that's the kind of energy this is giving. And again, that movie is ridiculous. Like the whole point of that movie is how ridiculous can we be with these puppets? And that also seems very much the energy that this movie is giving off. Like how, what is the most ridiculous thing that we can do with these puppets that are clearly made by the Jim Henson company?
00:37:36
Speaker
Um, and, and how can we make people both laugh and feel like absolutely terrible for laughing at these things that we're putting up on the screen?
00:37:47
Speaker
And that's what, what I said, it why I meant what I meant when I said at the beginning, this movie feels like a dare. Like it feels like someone was put up to making this movie. It doesn't feel like a passion project at all.
00:37:58
Speaker
Well, in one of the interviews that i was watching, cause i was like, well, I'll prep by watching handsome talk about this movie. And he was like, you know what, if I'm going to make an adult Muppet film or puppet film, i might as well go as intense as I can.
00:38:16
Speaker
If we're going to have it rated R, might as well do as much as I can. And I was like, you know what? I don't get it, but sure. Respect.
00:38:27
Speaker
respect I respect it. Here's the thing. There is a, as my friend, friend of the podcast, Phil Smith is fond of saying there is a lid for every pot. So, you know, that, that is a thing.
00:38:38
Speaker
um Not every movie is for every person. um And, but, but there comes a time when you do need to ask yourself, who is this movie for? Like you can identify. And I think all of us at some point identify this movie, probably not for us, at least not completely.
00:38:55
Speaker
so then we So then when that happens, you kind of start acting asking yourself, or at least I do, who is this actually for? Because sometimes you can make it that that's that's like an easy one-to-one. Like this movie is for people who like this.
00:39:08
Speaker
This movie is for people who like this. This is a movie I have a harder time putting a bead on. Who is this for? um The easy answer, I think, is Brian Henson.
00:39:20
Speaker
But beyond that, who is this movie for? for the same people that went and saw a Sausage Party in theaters. Have you seen Sausage Party?
00:39:31
Speaker
I don't know. It's not that bad. Sausage Party is... Brett hates Sausage Party. I don't like Sausage Party. It's the worst two hours of a... Well, no. i saw I watched Food Fight.
00:39:42
Speaker
It's the second worst two hours of film I've ever seen. it No. I wouldn't even compare it to that. You don't think it's the same audience, though? I don't know. Like it doesn't, this doesn't sausage party feels very much like a stoner movie.
00:39:58
Speaker
This doesn't feel as much like a stoner movie. Maybe I'm wrong. ah didn I didn't feel like I needed to be high to watch this movie. Whereas I felt like I might've lost sausage party more if I had been high.
00:40:12
Speaker
I needed to do that. that Do you think that enhanced your overall viewing experience of this film? I think it made me chuckle more.
00:40:23
Speaker
Okay. you're you're in You're in a gigglier place? Yeah, I don't think I would have laughed as much. I think I would have been, like, hiding my eyes. so my My Christian school upbringing would have kicked in, and I would have been like, ah, sex joke, no! ah the shame.
00:40:43
Speaker
um Sex sends you to hell. I can't watch this.
00:40:50
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I'll go to hell. ah Yeah, that that's that's well, you didn't learn that from me, but OK.
00:40:58
Speaker
ah You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. That was not and that was not a Foxworthy teaching. no i would I would not have told you that um I would have. I would have found a way to tow the company line at the time, but I would not have told you that for sure.
00:41:13
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um But yeah, no, i and and that I mean, I mean, that speaks to kind of the the way ah the ways in which, you know, the church kind of fucks with your head as you're as you're kind of growing up in in some of those, particularly around here, those more strict um traditions, I suppose. And there's I mean, believe it or not, the Midwest might as well be the Bible Belt for for all intents and purposes. There's there's a lot of that kind of thinking in these parts, for sure.
00:41:42
Speaker
Oh, yeah, for real. So being raised in that, I definitely had to be a little a little stoned. Just a smidge. I mean, i i did not. I watched it right before this recording. So i was like, well, there's there's no way that even even my Delta 8, I don't want to be, you know.
00:42:01
Speaker
Because that's legal here. I can't actually get the real stuff because that's not legal here. But, yeah you know, even even my Delta 8, I didn't... i I don't actually have any of the real stuff, though. um my My Delta 8 probably still. I was like, I didn't want to be high for the record because no one wants to no one wants to hear that. But but yeah, I imagine it might have probably and enhanced my viewing experience by and large. But generally speaking, my enjoyment of this film pretty, pretty low, if I'm being real honest.
00:42:32
Speaker
um Let's talk... Here's the thing, Steven. actually want to bring up something. is he Yeah. Sort of in line of like who this is for. Yeah. So, Henson Alternative, the people that made this movie... Not the Jim Henson Company. Not the Jim Henson Company.
00:42:47
Speaker
um They have been doing some stuff and since 2005. Oh, okay. all All sorts of stuff. And a lot of the puppets that are in this movie are kind like the Muppets. They're from the Henson Alternative...
00:43:03
Speaker
A family of puppets. Okay. um And i think I would say ah they're kind of born out of you know, we were kids when we watched the Muppets and Sesame Street.
00:43:19
Speaker
And i don't know, maybe some people grow up and are like, what would it be like if this were all adult stuff? Like if they had made adult jokes, what if Kermit was saying fuck all the time? Like, what wouldn't that be funny?
00:43:30
Speaker
And that's I think that's where this was born. And that was I think that's maybe who this is for. Those people that are like, you know, what if Muppets but adults?
00:43:42
Speaker
Because, mean, Avenue Q was a thing. It kind of started with Avenue Q. That's true. That's a good point. And, I mean, even before that, you've got Peter Jackson's Meet the Feebles, theyre the the puppet porno, Let My Puppets Come. I mean, there were... What a name.
00:43:56
Speaker
but and Right. It's a it's a legitimate thing that happened. um But I mean that. So this is not new in that regard. In fact, if anything, this is kind of chasing that trend.
00:44:08
Speaker
But the instances of that are so few and far between that it feels it still manages to feel transgressive in a way that like Fritz the cat would have felt transgressive when that movie first debuts, you know.
00:44:24
Speaker
yeah What's crazy is it seems like based on the research that I've done, it it was bigger in Britain. I did a lot of stuff for the BBC for a while.
00:44:34
Speaker
Hence an alternative, you mean? Yeah, hence an alternative. That kind of makes sense, though. It does. You can air a lot more on British television than you can...
00:44:45
Speaker
uh than you can american television yeah yeah and then they they came back over here and did stuff for the nerdist channel which was a thing for a little while um you've got like simian undercover detective squad um or maybe the more the one that's maybe the most known is neil's puppet dreams with neil patrick harris oh okay interesting um and yeah And then and the the last thing they did, which I was a real big fan of, was The Curious Creations of Christine christine McConnell.
00:45:20
Speaker
That's still on Netflix, I believe. Only one season. Very good show. Okay. But yeah, which I didn't even know was part of Hens and Alternative, but makes sense now that I think about it.
00:45:32
Speaker
So yeah, they've they've always been doing stuff. This was just... this was just ah his pipe dream. so this is and extent i didn't know any I guess I'm not familiar with any of the Henson Alternative stuff. so yes
00:45:53
Speaker
I don't know anything about that, but I respect it. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Again, that's the thing about art is not all art is for every person, but the good art will find its audience or, you know, any art can find its audience. So I i'm will be the first to admit this is not for me, but hey, if you like this, fair play to you.
00:46:17
Speaker
Yeah. I'm kind of relieved that y'all said like, hey, this isn't for me because I watched it and i was like, oh shoot, this wasn't for me. And I was like, I don't want to get on here and be the only person.
00:46:31
Speaker
ah so I was like, Lord, please not be comfortable with it as much as I was not comfortable with it. No. And see, I mean, this is like if I had seen this in college, I probably would not have finished the movie.
00:46:48
Speaker
Like I started watching Meet the Feebles in college and I had to like tap out like 20 minutes in. I was like, this is Now I could probably watch through the thing and be like, oh, this is not for me, but, you know, I could respect it for what it is. But that's very much Peter Jackson trying to do an R-rated Muppet show um where you've got the, you know, the the MC, which is a ah rabbit um in in kind of the Kermit-esque role, like having orgies in his office after, you know, the show, things like that. um I mean, there is, it's...
00:47:20
Speaker
It's definitely a more grown-up kind of thing. um But again, is it for me? No. Is it for someone? I'm sure.
00:47:30
Speaker
Probably. There are bound to be people who enjoyed this movie. I just wasn't one of them. Yeah. Well, you know, I'm going create ah my own passion project. I'm going to make the adult Scooby-Doo.
00:47:47
Speaker
so I dig it. If people that, I'm going to do it. They're doing a Riverdale-style Scooby-Doo right now, I believe. Really? more adult Yeah, the first episode is on YouTube for to watch. I haven't watched It's the Riverdale cast?
00:48:04
Speaker
No, it's just in the Riverdale style. Okay, good. I was to say, because if it's the writers of Riverdale, they should be sent to jail. They should not touch Scooby-Doo. I mean, i i was a little surprised at some of the some of the things in that first season of Riverdale. was like, wait, no. miss First of all, Miss Grundy, not hot.
00:48:26
Speaker
Second of all, not fucking Archie. Let's let's let's make that very clear. Oh, you sweet summer child. That's the first season. Wait till you hear about some of the crazy, ridiculous crap that happens later.
00:48:37
Speaker
No thanks. They have a musical episode. In fairness, a lot of shows have done the musical episode. But like imagine musical episode and then imagine Riverdale writers.
00:48:52
Speaker
I mean, in fairness, I tapped out after like two episodes of Riverdale. So yeah i'd say I don't know where that show goes. And quite frankly, I don't want to know. I'm good. Thank you.
00:49:03
Speaker
Parallel universes. it's Parallel universes is all you need to know. Parallel universes inside a parallel universe. Yeah, it's bad. I wish I wish I didn't know that. Gosh, that sucks. Um, and i mean that that real into the archie verse is that is that what we have now yikes it would be more into the jughead verse because jughead creates the alternate universe of course by writing the comic about it damn it and it's like it's like self-fulfilling pro i can't explain it to you go look it up yeah jumphead i'm weird i'm a weirdo do you see this hat i don't
00:49:40
Speaker
best class I mean, that, that is that, that and cheeseburgers are like Jughead's thing. Yeah. But yeah, oh that, that, and that makes me, that upsets me.
00:49:51
Speaker
um But yeah, apparently that that's another one of those who is this for kind of things. And I mean, all art has that to some degree. Yeah. um I try not to go as hard for things that I dislike as I did early on in the show. Cause I made one very good friend of ours, very angry.
00:50:06
Speaker
By shit-talking the movie Baywatch, which he apparently was a big fan of. James, come on the show. I don't think he listens anymore. I don't think he listens anymore. I think you he tapped out after I... like um they watch day watch he He was pretty upset about Baywatch.
00:50:20
Speaker
So here's the thing, though. like The last few things that Henson Alternative has done has been like chock full of celebrities. So like it's for somebody.
00:50:31
Speaker
And it's apparently more popular than I could have ever imagined. I mean, hey, that's that's good. I don't think this movie was particularly popular. I mean, this movie has its share of celebrities. You've got Elizabeth Banks. You've got Maya Rudolph. You've got Joel McHale, Leslie David Baker from The Office, Michael McDonald from Mad TV. Like, you've got – and, you know, some up-and-coming comedians like Fortune Feimster and Jimmy O. Yang. Like, you've got some – Honestly, some pretty funny people. Ryan Gall from a past episode of this podcast, Killing Gunther, is in this movie as well.
00:51:10
Speaker
um So, i you know, that did remind me that. Was it Michael McDonald, the one that's the the original producer of the Happy Time? Yes, Ronovan Scargill, which is maybe the greatest name ever. Maybe that's my favorite joke is when he says, do you like the view?
00:51:27
Speaker
I can't tell you how long it took me to get rid of that orphanage. The Children's Hospital. Children's Hospital, yeah. To get the view of that ocean. That was a pretty good one. That was a good, that was a good, that a good, that was good line.
00:51:38
Speaker
think that's my favorite joke. That, that honestly, I think you might, you might be onto to something there like that. That was, that was pretty good. That was a pretty good joke. um Let's, let's talk cringe. What, a what, what were the Brett, you kind of already did yours. The, the, the peel offing scene, I guess would probably be the, learn that whole thing.
00:51:56
Speaker
Pretty much the entirety of just her and my Rudolph just, Which Maya Rudolph, great. I thought she was great. Oh, love Maya Rudolph. I've never not loved Maya Rudolph. Definitely Melissa McCarthy's part of that.
00:52:09
Speaker
Because, like, the scene where she asks about the banana in the apartment, right? And she has it when they get to the other apartment. And that's funny enough.
00:52:21
Speaker
The fact that she pulls out the banana, and you're like, oh, that's funny. She took the banana. But then Melissa McCarthy has to point it out. We have to put a hat on it. We have to put a hat on it. And then we have to put a lampshade on that hat.
00:52:33
Speaker
And then another hat on top of the lampshade. Right, exactly. It's just, stop. It was funny already. Let it be a sight gag. It's way funnier sight gag. And see, I think sight gags are really underrated. And honestly, puppet movies are made for... That was something that Henson, in particularly in the early Muppet films and in the Muppet show, there are entire sketches and bits built around sight gags. And...
00:52:58
Speaker
not a lot of just stand on your own sight gags in this movie as much as many as there could be potentially. ah Katie, do you have a cringy moment that you wanted to spotlight? I mean, there were quite a few.
00:53:13
Speaker
Aside from the sex scene in the office, ah i mean, it's it was just so much. it is so much like the being slammed against the door and the FBI seeing that i was like oh my god yeah but one of the posters for this movie and I am debating using it for the for one of the promotion images for this episode but one of the posters for this movie is her like splayed up against the window of his office and him like jackhammering her from behind yeah it's why was that a poster for this movie
00:53:57
Speaker
Don't know, Brett, but it was. the trailer, too, that seems like to be, like, that's such a big part of this movie, maybe. They're really banking on that. And again, it it really does set the stage. Like, if you are into this, if you this is the kind of thing you find funny, this movie's going to be right up your alley.
00:54:14
Speaker
And I think most people saw that trailer and went, ooh, no thank you. Yeah. But, like, that was ah really cringy moment, obviously. But then when...
00:54:27
Speaker
Oh, what's his name? He plays in community. He was the FBI agent. Joel McHale. I like him. i like I love him in community. That's like one of my favorite shows. One of my favorite comfort shows I should specify, but the scene where he's interrogating ah chick with the purple hair who has red hair and she like crosses her legs.
00:54:52
Speaker
Does the, I didn't like that. I didn't like that. I was like, I was like, the reveal of the twist at the end. Yeah, it was important.
00:55:08
Speaker
and That's not a throwaway scene either. That's the that's the bizarre thing. is that yeah It's like before you know that that's important and you're just witnessing it, you're like, oh my god.
00:55:20
Speaker
like That is my 13th reason. want to die. And then they reference it and they're like, that's how they solve the crime. And that almost makes it worse because it's like- It does make it worse.
00:55:37
Speaker
That scene was so gross and weird because he like looks at a puppet pussy and then that's how they save the day.
00:55:51
Speaker
What? No, oh Yeah. So probably that I did not like that scene. I mean, that's that's a contender for sure. For cringy.
00:56:03
Speaker
It is not the first movie that we've covered on this podcast, Brett, that has an homage, a parody of Basic Instinct. Do you remember the first? That would be National Lampoon's Loaded Weapon 1.
00:56:17
Speaker
Correct. However, in that one, it's just a picture of a beaver on a chair with the phrase gratuitous beaver shot flashing across the bottom of the screen, ah which bizarrely seems classier than this.
00:56:32
Speaker
Honestly, I think anything would be classier than this. Yeah. Yeah. This is this. This movie is. Fairly classless. Let's let's be frank.
00:56:43
Speaker
um there's There's not a lot. that This movie is not trying to like set itself up as some pinnacle or bastion of of high art in any respect. I think what's frustrating to me about it is that there's like there is a decent, more adult Muppet movie in here somewhere.
00:57:04
Speaker
And he was just like, we're going to toss some really cringy sex jokes in just because I can't. a And that ruins it. It just straight up ruins it. Yeah. Because the parts that I like about this movie are when it's not the cringy over the top sex jokes.
00:57:20
Speaker
Then I'm like, that i'm then I'm digging it. I'm kind of into it. But like as soon as, you know, as soon as I see a puppet pussy, I'm like, I'm out. I'm done. I'm over. I'm over it. Yeah. It was like, it was just for the shock value almost because it was like, oh, this is something that like as rare so let's just do as much as we can for that shock value and it probably would have made their story a lot stronger i mean it would have made the story a lot stronger if they would have just taken some out just a little still could have been rated r still could have been ridiculous but it just felt like there's a little too much just little too much
00:58:01
Speaker
Yeah, I definitely agree I think there's and this is kind of the danger of a filmmaker getting to make whatever the hell film they want to make is very often when you get that blank check.
00:58:16
Speaker
You get the temptation to just go completely over the top and off the rails. And what will happen is you will either make a movie that is very true to your artistic intention.
00:58:29
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um Someone like a Martin Scorsese or a David Lynch or, I mean, even ah Michael Bay or a Quentin Tarantino. um You know, it's not all got to be high art stuff.
00:58:42
Speaker
But then you get like the people who don't know where to draw the line. Like they're not it's it's less about the story that they want to tell and the movie they want to make as it is. and And I think you summed this up beautifully earlier when you were talking about the interview you watched with Henson. What can we get away with?
00:59:04
Speaker
And when that becomes your whole preoccupation in in creating a film, I think your mind is in the wrong place. Because all of a sudden, it's not about the art.
00:59:16
Speaker
It's about the in-jokes. It's about the things that you and your friends do. And that's only going to be funny to you and your friends. It's not going to be funny to a lot of different people unless they all get the same jokes that you do.
00:59:30
Speaker
um And it so becomes a knowing your audience thing. And maybe this was not made for a large audience. I can't believe that's true. But this is, ah you know, for for good or ill, for better or worse, this is the movie that we're left with.
00:59:45
Speaker
And damn it, if I'm not scratching my head at the end of it.
00:59:51
Speaker
Mostly for ill, I would say, unfortunately. Yeah. Mostly for ill. I would agree. I would definitely agree. And then the bloopers are somehow... even worse in a weird way. You guys stuck around for the bloopers after the movie, right? During the credits.
01:00:06
Speaker
Yeah. i mean, about halfway through the bloopers, I shut it off. Cause I was like, okay, I think I'm good. I think it's time to go to bed.
01:00:17
Speaker
but yeah, they were something. It's hard to believe that you could make raunchier and weirder. comments in a film. He starts to put the butt plug in his mouth and I'm just like, what ah what are we doing here? It was cool to see how they did some of the effects, I guess. The green screen suits that the puppeteers were wearing to make it easier for the puppets to walk. That was cool to see. I do agree with that.
01:00:47
Speaker
and That was pretty dope.
01:00:50
Speaker
But yeah, again, it's the you know the the humor involved, you're just like, I mean... Okay. And in some of it, you're actually seeing kind of how they perform some of those, like you get to see how the octopus worked.
01:01:02
Speaker
You get to see how the, how the, you know, minute long silly string ejaculation worked. Like they, they kind of show you behind the scenes, Hey, here's how we pulled some of this off, which that's the kind of stuff I'm interested to see. But by the same token, it it's associated with those scenes that are just, again, the things that make this movie too much.
01:01:25
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that's what I wanted, was to know how the silly string scene worked. I mean, you know. I needed to know. let my puppets come, Brett. Yeah. I thought the puppet was actually doing that.
01:01:38
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I didn't know it was first. I needed them to explain. How does this work? I thought it was all real. was like, damn, this movie? Not a comedy.
01:01:50
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Documentary. Documentary. It was like... It was like this, this is how puppets work guys. They actually ejaculate silly string.
01:02:03
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Silly string. Right. And they snort sugar. Like that's their drug. Absolutely. It was science and they, and they pee glitter. Yeah. So, you know, I thought it was cool that they showed us how it works, but you know, also ruin the magic. Cause thought it was real.
01:02:21
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So, you know, It's ruined your childhood. Yeah. Yeah. It's not the, it's not the ejaculating puppets that, that ruined her childhood. It's, it's knowing how they made those puppets. and jack Yeah. I thought that shit was real.
01:02:39
Speaker
I was sitting there and I'm like, this is more sex education than I got at my school. Yes. As, as someone who taught at that school. Yes. That makes so much sense. And then they showed that it was fake. And I was like,
01:02:53
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I've been lied to. Yeah, I don't know how anything works anymore. Right. Can I go talk to my therapist?
01:03:05
Speaker
Oh, boy. Can you imagine trying to explain this to your therapist? No, I did this morning. going to leave that out of my therapy sessions. I'm not going to bring that up. That's fair.
01:03:15
Speaker
but That's fair. And I am not, I'm inadvisably not in therapy at the moment, so... Come on, man. Join the club. I should. i I know I need to. I am. I am not well right now.
01:03:27
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um But yeah, I mean, we've got, look, here's the thing. I think there are elements in this movie that are fun. And I think when the focus is on the mystery, even though the ending is pretty easy to see coming, like even, even when you get,
01:03:47
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to, you know, the reveal and all of that. Like, that's when I think the story is really humming. It's when we derail the entire movie for, you know, to watch puppets fuck or to, um, watch puppets milk other puppets or to watch a puppet porno in which a dog is whipping a fireman.
01:04:03
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Um,
01:04:06
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Which is that Muppet sort of subversion of expectations. that like It's a very twisted Muppet subversion of expectations. It's a Dalmatian whipping a fireman.
01:04:17
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like It's kind of funny, but it's also a little bit too much. Yeah, it that's ah that is absolutely what it is. um Yeah, I mean, that it those are the moments, I think, when this movie...
01:04:30
Speaker
is not quite sure what it, that it knows what it wants to be. One thing I will say for this movie that I actually did enjoy, ah the fight scene between Melissa McCarthy and all of the Muppets in the, um, uh, the hideout and like the drug den, um, that was actually really well done. And I thought was really, really fun. and That whole scene, even when she's just snorting it, I, I think that was probably my favorite scene too, actually. Like,
01:05:00
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Everything about it. Like when she snorted at it and then like passed out and then woke up and then she was like, don't know, and the fighting and then her like going to the bathroom and getting some more. snorting more, yeah. And then like hitting her Like that was all actually pretty good.
01:05:20
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I was giggling, I'll be honest. There was a few giggles, maybe even a chuckle.
01:05:28
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I would agree. Some chuckles, a few chuckles were had. Yeah. I mean, I was, I was more kind of like intrigued by, this is just me. I was more intrigued by like the actual filmmaking of those fight scenes, which I thought was really, really cool and really well done. Like, cause there are puppets there of all kinds of varying sizes and watching her kind of dispatch those and kind of basically take on a room full of puppets by herself and,
01:05:52
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kind of cool like and the way it was shot made it look like she's actually having a fist fight with puppets which is pretty sweet yeah it was the most artistic scene in the whole movie which again it's not saying that much it's low bar but it is you know what but we hand out trophies where we can so right I mean, we are we are millennials on down. So participation trophies for everybody. let's Yeah. Yeah. Everybody's a winner. Everybody wins. Yeah.
01:06:26
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yeah We can hand one out for that scene. Be like, there you go. That was kind of artistic. Good job. Yeah. And and yeah. um And again, I think the puppet work is exactly what you would expect from from the Henson name. Like that is exceedingly well done. Like the way that they're able to blend puppetry and the world real world in ways that they had not done to this degree before is really impressive and even once you know how they do it it's still really interesting to see phil phillips walking in and out of rooms to see him um interacting with people to see him like walking out of like just walking out of a restaurant like is cool like you see his full body walking out of a restaurant that's that's pretty cool
01:07:11
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um so So I think, you know, and and again, that's that's the thing. And I think that in a lot of ways is the Henson legacy. It's not just and we've talked about this kind of in in some previous episodes, the emphasis on diversity, the emphasis on.
01:07:26
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um friendship and loving each other. Obviously, there's not a lot of that in this movie. There is there is some, um but also his his work as an innovator, which we've talked about on several of the episodes leading up to this one, in that he was always trying to push the puppet medium forward in new and interesting ways.
01:07:45
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And this movie, I think, While it is not successful in many ways, I think it is at least successful in that and that it is trying endeavoring to push the puppet medium forward.
01:07:58
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um And I think it does that generally fairly successfully. Yeah, and I think that's what's that's what's missing from things like Meet the Feebles is that Henson touch. It's it's the the Henson magic.
01:08:10
Speaker
yeah you know It's not Jim Henson, but it's you know it's still a son. And he's still pushing the medium forward and trying to do more with it, even if you know maybe veers off into a gutter a little bit too often.
01:08:25
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Even if it's slightly atrocious. Yeah. Just slightly. A little attracherous. Just a skosh. um Yeah. So what any any other comments, or remarks, things about happy time murders that we have not as of yet discussed?
01:08:47
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I don't think so. I think we covered it all. That's it. We don't want to talk about this anymore. Those were a feelings. There really wasn't like too much to like really dive into other than being like, whoa that was a lot.
01:09:04
Speaker
I think these people were on drugs when they made this film. I mean, I think that's evident. um So... Before Melissa McCarthy signed on to this movie, back when they were first developing this project, they had wanted to get Cameron Diaz as the lead in this movie.
01:09:22
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um And then eventually she dropped out and was replaced with Katherine Heigl. I cannot imagine what that movie would have been. And then at one point they went in a completely different direction and Jamie Foxx was attached to this movie.
01:09:38
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um Like I said, completely different direction. these sort of Very like. all over the map ideas. Yeah.
01:09:48
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I mean, Cameron Diaz has some really strong comedy chops. I think she could have pulled this off before she just retires from acting pretty much outright. Yeah. I mean, she's cool.
01:09:59
Speaker
The occasional Shrek movie, but yeah, I agree. Yeah, she's cool. I like Cameron Diaz. I feel like she would have been fine in this. I think that's the only other version of this movie that probably would have worked.
01:10:11
Speaker
Katherine Heigl, I think, is maybe the worst case scenario for this movie. Yeah. i I don't know how you cast Katherine Heigl in this movie and make it work. I mean, I liked 27 Dresses, but I don't know if I liked that just because... Oh, you're the one. Okay.
01:10:28
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know if I just like that because I really like James Marsden. Yeah. I mean, and James Marsden is a cutie. Yeah, I just enjoy watching him and everything that he's in. ah just think he's a cool guy to watch.
01:10:43
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um And I have that movie on DVD.
01:10:48
Speaker
Not proud to admit that. It's not like an incredible film, but like I think that's really the only movie that I really like in.
01:11:00
Speaker
What else is she in? I mean, she gets her start in Grey's Anatomy. Oh, yeah, of course. I do know that. OK, I just want to make sure. um but We should also backtrack really quick. I just want to say that Cameron Diaz-wise, let's not forget Atomic Blonde. That movie is... That movie slaps.
01:11:18
Speaker
Is she in Atomic Blonde? Yes, she is. She is the Atomic Blonde. That's Charlize Theron. Am I thinking of the wrong person? You're thinking of the wrong person. Wait, don't know it's Cameron Diaz, too. No, that's Charlize Theron. Okay, I'm not only one.
01:11:30
Speaker
Okay, thank you. Cameron Diaz is Princess Fiona in Shrek. ah She's in Charlie's Angels. She's the blonde one. She's in the husband cheating movie that has Kate Upton and um what's her The Other Woman?
01:11:48
Speaker
Yes. She's in that. She's in The Other Woman. She's in um the Holiday um my's film the holiday she's very good in the holiday all right yeah she's in my best friend's wedding yes um bad teacher right she's she's the she is the titular bad teacher i don't know how i've gotten the two of them confused so easily but here we are not of blonde blonde attractive blonde women whose first names start with c um sure we'll go with that you can be forgiven
01:12:21
Speaker
Katherine Heigl. Let's talk Heigl. So future episode of this podcast, one for the money. She was the lead in that. I actually read those books because I love Stephanie Plum, like those novels.
01:12:34
Speaker
So I like read a bunch of those. We're going to have to have you on whenever we finally get to one for the money then. Yeah, I could do that because I was super into those books only because my grandma was.
01:12:46
Speaker
And so they were our bathroom books. OK, you know, like how people before phones were like a big thing, how people had a stack of books or magazines next to the toilet. We had Stephanie Plum novels.
01:13:00
Speaker
So I do know that movie and I know those books. All right. So that's Katherine Heigl. What else? um She was in, i mean, a lot of this stuff I've not seen. I don't know that too many people have.
01:13:11
Speaker
ah Knocked Up is kind of the one that puts her on the map. um And then you've got 27 Dresses, The Ugly Truth, ah Killers, which I think might be the movie she did with Ashton Kutcher.
01:13:25
Speaker
She's in the movie New Year's Eve. And then after that... Like she starts shitting all over like the Apatow crew and pretty much no one wants to cast her after that. She becomes labeled as difficult to work with.
01:13:43
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um That kind of becomes her brand. And so people tend to not like to cast her in things. She's got... She's in The Nut Job, Jackie and Ryan, Home Sweet Hell.
01:13:56
Speaker
She does TV, State of Affairs, Doubt, Suits. Was she Where the Heart Is? um No, Where the Heart Is. was Natalie Portman, and i first thought she was in that.
01:14:10
Speaker
No, that would have been too early for her. Where the Heart Is is Ashley Judd. Okay. Okay. uh the the my you know my beloved ashley jed love love ashley jed um i i don't know why i was picturing katherine heigl in that place but i don't know man it's it's is wild memories are funny things it's easy to get actresses confused that's true we've just used that we've always thrown in cameron diaz katherine heigl and ashley judd it's it's a crazy mixed up world um and that's just all there is to it yeah i can't imagine this movie with katherine heigl no
01:14:55
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it would have been even more of a dumpster fire than it already is Agreed. i think, I think there are, I think you need an app performer that has an inherent sense of humor about themselves to do a role like this.
01:15:06
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And I don't get the impression that that's Catherine Heigl. No, no, no. I mean, I'm willing to be wrong about that, but that based on what I know of the of the actress, I don't think that's her speed.
01:15:21
Speaker
So yeah, and and then i you know Jamie Foxx, I think, probably would have been fine, um but also feels like an odd choice. Yeah. It's a different movie.
01:15:33
Speaker
It is very much. This movie has a production budget of about $40 million. It opens it opens on August 24th, 2018, it opens to million, dollars which is good enough third place ah coming in behind at number one uh one of the biggest movies of 2018 uh kind of a surprise smash a little movie called crazy rich asians i love that movie i still haven't seen it need to it's good i've heard it's great it's got jimmy chan i love jimmy chan in in three weeks crazy rich asians has made
01:16:19
Speaker
About $89 million dollars total. In second place, um also ah has been in theaters for three weeks, a little movie called The Meg. which has up to this point earned about $110 million dollars in three weeks.
01:16:34
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aye Happy time murders comes in at third place. As we mentioned in fourth place, um mission impossible fallout in its fifth weekend. It's earned almost $200 million dollars in just the five weeks that it's been out and rounding out the top five. We have Christopher Robin from the Walt Disney corporation,
01:16:56
Speaker
which in its four weeks in theaters has earned $80.4 million. dollars Rounding out the top 10, you've got a future episode of this podcast, Mile 22.
01:17:08
Speaker
In sixth place, in seventh place, Alpha. In eighth place, a little movie called Black Klansman, a Spike Lee joint. ah In ninth place, a movie am pretty sure does not exist called AXL.
01:17:22
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um I don't know what this is. It's a movie about a robot dog. Why does this feel like something we could cover on this podcast one day? um Probably because it is. i And rounding out our top 10, finalizing our top 10 is Hotel Transylvania 3 colon Summer Vacation, which in seven weeks has earned $160 million.
01:17:45
Speaker
million dollars So this movie opens in third place. um It earns a total of $20.7 million dollars domestic, about another million of $27.5 million. little over half internationally for a worldwide box office total of twenty seven point five million dollars um just a little over half of its production budget it makes back.
01:18:15
Speaker
We're not getting any more buddy cop puppet movies after this. No. At least not ones that are quite this raunchy. This is the end of the line for Phil Phillips and Connie Edwards, for sure.
01:18:28
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Yeah. Yeah. Those numbers are a little weak, but i agree with Brett. I'm okay with that. Yeah. I, could not, could not imagine a better outcome quite frankly, um, than that.
01:18:42
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So, Hey, it's all good. ah the Tomatometer score on this one is a 23%.
Critics' Consensus and Ratings
01:18:49
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Ooh, it's certified rotten. The critics consensus, the happy time murders waste. It's intriguingly transgressive premise on a witless comedy that blindly pushes buttons instead of attempting to tell an entertaining story.
01:19:02
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I can agree with that to a degree. Yeah. that That review makes sense. it It does. makes sense. ah The Metascore is 27 based on generally unfavorable reviews from 48 different critics.
01:19:16
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And the Letterboxd score is a 2.1. Katie, as our guest, if you were forced to give a rating out of five to the Happy Time Murders, how many stars would you give Five.
01:19:31
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Five. That's a joke. Hence my immediate laughter. um No. ah Considering I needed to be not sober to make it all the way through, and I had to order Taco Bell halfway through.
01:19:50
Speaker
now I want Taco Bell. Yeah, I was like, okay, Doritos Locos Tacos. Time to come in so I don't fall asleep or cry.
01:20:04
Speaker
1.5, maybe two-ish, not high. Okay. So we'll split the difference, say it, call it a 1.75. Yeah. Because like the story wasn't terrible, but I wouldn't watch it again.
01:20:21
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. i would buy I can't fault your logic on that at all. ah Brett, what about you? About the same. I gave it two.
01:20:32
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Gave it two. Whereas I gave it a 1.5. So there you go. Like we're kind of all right around the same area with this one. um It's not good.
01:20:44
Speaker
It's not great. You can skip this one, guys. um You know, for what it's worth. ah if you were if you were on the fence about the Happy Time murders, ah let this be your call to to come down off the fence and err on the side of, i don't need to see that one.
01:21:01
Speaker
yeah Unless you just really want to see a puppet ejaculate slowly, string for 60 seconds straight. In which case, go off. Yeah. If you want to watch Melissa McCarthy snort Purple Sugar,
01:21:16
Speaker
then you should watch this movie. And then lick it. And then lick it and like coat her tongue in glittery purple sugar. Yeah. If you want to see ah puppets get their heads blown off, definitely watch this movie.
01:21:27
Speaker
Happened so many times in this movie. So many times. So, you know, if you like those things, definitely give it a watch. But if those things make your stomach churn, maybe don't.
01:21:41
Speaker
Yeah. That's that's that's good. That's a good caveat, I think. You know, this movie is not going to be for everybody.
Subjective Enjoyment of Art
01:21:47
Speaker
Right. I don't think any movie is for everybody. There is no such thing as a universally beloved film.
01:21:53
Speaker
um Some people, um everyone engages with art differently. There are objective standards for what makes good art, but our enjoyment of that art is subjective. um And while I would not say this is objectively great art, I would say that there is something in here for certain people to enjoy.
01:22:10
Speaker
I'm just not one of those people. Yeah, same. And how can you say that, Stephen? Food Fight exists. Everybody loves that movie. It's true. It's a perfect film. Universally beloved film, Food Fight. Katie, have you gotten a chance to see Food Fight yet?
01:22:24
Speaker
um Some of it didn't make it through the whole thing. I don't blame you at all. I had to watch it in bits and pieces. Yeah, Brett brett had to batch watch that one, whereas i just said, screw it.
01:22:41
Speaker
Digest the whole thing. i don't know how he did it. I don't know how I did it either, quite frankly. Yeah, it's a lot. Maybe now that I'm like... I mean, I don't want to say that I'm mentally well because that's a bold statement.
01:22:56
Speaker
But maybe I could try again. I mean, it it it is it is an experience. I will say that. i I cannot in good conscience recommend that movie to anybody. Yeah. But by the same token,
01:23:09
Speaker
i um It's wild. It's it's it's a wild thing. It's not a good movie. No. It's just not. No. No. It's bad. I will say with 100% certainty that Food Fight is the single worst movie we've ever covered on this podcast.
Thanksgiving Tradition of Bad Movies
01:23:27
Speaker
And I cannot imagine another movie even coming close. It probably always will be. Yeah. i And I feel very bad for forcing Brett to watch that movie. That's fine. It was a funny episode.
01:23:39
Speaker
It was another Thanksgiving episode from last year, everybody. If you haven't listened to that What on earth could we possibly be cooking up for this Thanksgiving? I ask because I honestly don't know at this point. How do we top Food Fight?
01:23:51
Speaker
yeah We don't. That's just it. You know, we just got to find something just as bad and then say, fuck it. Art is risk. Yes. Fuck it. Let's put that on a t-shirt.
01:24:04
Speaker
That's our Thanksgiving tradition. We watch a really bad movie. Yes. We just, we find a Turkey. A bad movies are called turkeys. That's it. We did it. We did it everybody. I've done it. Instead of watching football, just watch a really bad movie.
01:24:17
Speaker
I mean, we're not, we're, we're definitely not the kind of guys that are going watching football. So yeah, i don't watch football. Just, just, just three cool people hanging out and not watching football.
01:24:28
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I have a limp wrist, so
01:24:32
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I don't. Touche.
01:24:36
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to too
01:24:41
Speaker
Katie, thank you so much for being on this episode, for being the first ever student to ever make the trend. You beat Jeff Rhodes. Not that I've ever talked to Jeff Rhodes, but he he was he's definitely someone that I've been meaning to ask to be on this podcast.
01:24:56
Speaker
But you snuck in here first, so way to go. It's an honor to beat Jeff Rhodes. Yeah, I mean, always. um We are absolutely thrilled to have had you on. ah Katie, you are you are a filmmaker. You are a YouTube sensation.
Katie's YouTube Channel and Film Projects
01:25:12
Speaker
um Tell us about what you're doing, what you've got going, where we can find your work online, where we can find you online. Just talk about yourself for a little bit. I know it's your favorite thing.
01:25:23
Speaker
oh Oh, yeah. I love talking about myself. I love attention. Mm-hmm. Um, so yes, I am a YouTuber. um you should check out my YouTube channel.
01:25:37
Speaker
It's just my name, Katie Doyle. Uh, talk about movies. So if you like to talk about movies, you should come check it out. It's good time. And I occasionally have guests like Steven Foxworthy here.
01:25:51
Speaker
What? Pretty wild. Yeah. We had a very good conversation about, um, Alex Garland's men. Actually, it was a lot of fun. It pretty trippy. Only two pussy jokes, I think.
01:26:02
Speaker
We had so many more in this episode than we did in that one. Oh yeah. So many more. um good times, but yes, uh, you can find me on Twitter at kilo Delta 24. That's my gamer tag.
01:26:16
Speaker
So, um, if you want to play Fortnite with me too, uh, but yeah, that's it. I'm just Katie Doyle on YouTube. um But exciting things, you should check out my channel because in August I will be posting um my short film that I just entered into a film festival and got top 10 that premieres in August.
01:26:40
Speaker
So I'm super excited for that. And I'll be posting the behind the scenes footage with that too. So you can watch me crying because it was a 24 hour film festival. So I did not sleep for two days while I made it.
01:26:54
Speaker
So check out the channel. Look for that. Super proud of it. Super excited. That's awesome. Congratulations on that, by the way I don't think I've had a chance to tell you since you announced that. that Thank you.
01:27:05
Speaker
Thank you. Thank you. I'm shocked. It's my first film festival. I don't know why you're shocked. You're you're very talented. um And if people doubt your talent, they should check out your YouTube channel because your talent is on full display there.
01:27:18
Speaker
I just know that one of these days you're going to have to get me in a movie. So it will happen. I'm going to have a movie called The Three Stooges, and it'll just be us talking about Muppet movies. Hell yes.
01:27:30
Speaker
All right. i mean I'm I'm 100 percent on board. i love yeah i like this plan. Excited to be a part of it. kind Sounds good. Awesome. Definitely make sure you guys are
Podcast Promotion and Collaborations
01:27:40
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following Katie. If you are not already, please make sure that you do.
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Speaker
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01:27:54
Speaker
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01:28:17
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01:28:48
Speaker
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01:29:02
Speaker
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01:29:14
Speaker
I am your host, Stephen Foxworthy. You can find me on Instagram, Letterboxd, Twitter at Chewy Walrus. Brett, where can we find you on social media? You can find me on Instagram and Letterboxd at sus underscore warlock.
01:29:29
Speaker
All right. And there is a third member of the disenfranchised team that we do not talk about nearly enough. He wrote our theme music, not only for this show, but for both of the Patreon shows as well, different theme songs for each.
01:29:41
Speaker
And he has joined ah the staff as the editor extraordinaire. He now edits all of our episodes for us. ah Tucker, thank you so much. um We appreciate you. We don't say it nearly enough, but I hope you know how much we appreciate you, sir.
01:29:55
Speaker
Um, And that is our episode on
Conclusion of Theme Month and Future Plans
01:29:59
Speaker
the happy time murders. That is also the end of our most sensational, inspirational, celebrational, Muppetational Jim Henson theme month. We're going out with a bang.
01:30:09
Speaker
Hey, there it is. um And, and yeah, that's it. That's a wrap. Now, Brett. ah In April, we had a theme month. Right. We did. We did all about Arnold April.
01:30:21
Speaker
Correct. In May, we kind of stumbled backwards into an accidental theme month. We did. Which is our our our our fictional places, our far off fantastical places.
01:30:33
Speaker
When Worlds Collide. Yeah, there yeah you go. our Our When Worlds Collide theme month, which we didn't really put together until the very last episode. ah week of that month. but it happened And then this is our Jim Henson theme month. This is technically our third theme month in a row, which means, Brett, that it's time maybe we back off from theme months for a little bit. No, I'm just kidding, Brett. Incorrect, Steven.
01:30:54
Speaker
We're going to start a brand new theme month next week. um And we've got a guest prepped and ready for it, and it's going to be a great episode, a great returning guest. It's going to be a lot of fun as we take on...
01:31:06
Speaker
something we've never done before, which I am very excited to, uh, to explore, uh, land of the rising sun. but Maybe it's time for a summer vacation of sorts.
01:31:19
Speaker
um But, ah but, but I guess we'll have to tune in next week to find out, by the way, all patrons do get a peek behind the curtain early so that they know before anyone else exactly what we're covering. So patron.com slash disenfranch pod, but yes, join us next week for a brand new theme month where we cover another four movies ah based around a similar theme.
01:31:40
Speaker
It's going to be a good one. You're going to want to be there. ah so I'm Stephen Foxworthy, host the Disenfranchise podcast, from my co-host, Brett Wright, and our very special guest, Katie Doyle.
01:31:51
Speaker
Until next time, let me just Google real quick here. P. Loffing. Oh. Oh. Oh, shitcakes. Oh. Oh.
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