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244 - Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me (1992)
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“Bob, I want all my Garmanbozia.”
It’s our fifth season finale! Few movies could do justice to such an austere and august occasion as the cinematic adaptation of one our favorite television shows! Join us as we discuss David Lynch’s unwavering sincerity, our “Twin Peaks” backstories, the reasons behind the absences of several key cast members, and how our opinions of this film have evolved over time!
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Overview
00:00:19
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No secret you. Oh, it's the rock. Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see. One chance out between two worlds.
00:00:32
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Fire. walk with the disenfranchised podcast that's right we're that podcast all about those franchises of one those films that fancy themselves full-fledged franchises before falling flat on their face after the first film i am your host steven foxworthy and joining me as always as you might call him a man from another place it's tucker hey tucker hello steven how we doing tonight buddy I'm tired, but I'm psyched.
Coffee, Editing, and Zencastr Issues
00:01:01
Speaker
I had two cups of evening coffee. Normally I have one evening coffee, but I two evening coffees because I was editing and distributing the Wells U podcast. Episode nine of the Wells U podcast drops tomorrow.
00:01:15
Speaker
Tomorrow and i or two days ago as of the release of this episode. I've lived very close to the Canadian border a few times. I apologize. Sometimes it slips through. ah Stephen, I need you to remind me before we leave this recording. Hmm.
00:01:30
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to distribute the podcast because I put it through post-production on Zincaster, but sometimes it does this thing where it sticks. And it won't completely process it. And I have to redo it. And it did that.
00:01:41
Speaker
Like it should have been done by now, but it's stuck and fucked up. So when we're done here, I have to distribute.
Season Finale and Podcast Longevity
00:01:48
Speaker
Okay. So don't let me forget. I'm going to forget. I'm going to forget, dude. I might forget. That's the problem is you and I are a forgetful people. The only thing that's going to save me is I still have the show notes tab up and I'll click on that and be like, what? Oh, okay. I should probably do that.
00:02:04
Speaker
yeah yeah yeah maybe so remind me in case i just don't give a fuck and leave my computer when we're done i will try to remind you um maybe that's the until next time at the end of the episode who knows um hey maybe sign or it maybe yeah yeah um but tucker this is this is the finale of our fifth season of the disenfranchised podcast Tucker, we had this podcast has existed in some form or fashion for five years, which is insane to me. We're going to start year six next week.
00:02:40
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That's true. It's a big year. That's fucking madness. like that this is we've gotten over the hump really of the decade. 10 years. Hey! like it's it's it's all doy over here until ted years um So in four years, we'll be sitting here saying, we finally did it.
Listener Appreciation and Podcasting as Friendship
00:03:00
Speaker
10 years. We still only have like 100 consecutive listeners a week. That's fine. and That's fine. That's how we like it. We love you guys. We do it for you.
00:03:11
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true. And also just to give us an excuse to hang out and talk about shit. um no But yes, this is the the the finale of the Disenfranchised Podcast, season five.
Movie Selection for Season Finale
00:03:25
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it's a big one. And it's a big one. It's a big one. so we needed a big movie to cover... for this big occasion. And so we chose and and we...
00:03:36
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Look, this episode, it's been a long time coming. This is something that is near and dear to to my heart and to our our absent friend, Brett Wright. Last I heard from him... We'll get into that. and we We'll get into
Covering 'Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me'
00:03:50
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it yeah. um But ah Brett may or may not, last I heard, he might have been in the Red Room.
00:03:56
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So I'm not entirely sure what his stat... Maybe we'll see him again in 25 years. In 25 years, yeah. In 25 years. Meanwhile...
00:04:05
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have I have a sticker on my guitar pedal board that's just the hands. and The hands. and well Meanwhile. God, does anyone scream better than Cheryl Lee? I don't think anyone screams better than Cheryl Lee. Yes, but she does a really good job.
00:04:21
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She's so fucking good. We're talking, and and again, Brett really, really wanted to be here. Schedules could not align. um And yeah also, he's stuck in the Red Room. so um But we are covering...
00:04:36
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God, what a great, what a fucking picture. um From 1992, directed by David Lynch and written by Lynch and Robert Engels.
00:04:48
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It is... Twin Peaks colon Fire Walk With Me um starring him, Cheryl Lee, Ray Wise, Kyle McLaughlin, Machen Amick, Dana Ashbrook, Phoebe Augustine, David Bowie, Eric Daray, Miguel Ferrer, the great Miguel Ferrer, Pamela Gidley, Heather Graham,
00:05:15
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it did It didn't like he didn't play a huge part, but just the fact that he was there just around. hmm. Thank you. Yep. Heather Graham, Chris Isaac, Moira Kelly, Peggy Lipton, David Lynch. Replacement Donna, boo. Replacement Donna, boo.
00:05:37
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We'll get into the people who are conspicuously absent from this movie and why. oh and Wait, Stephen, did you get a chance to watch The Missing Pieces? Because that's where most of them are. Yes, I did. Most of those actors that are not in this movie that should be in this movie are in The Missing Pieces. I'm sorry. Go ahead.
00:05:53
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But there are some that are in neither piece, and there's a reason for that. True. true, true. David Lynch, James Marshall, Juergen Prochnow, Harry Dean Stanton,
Cultural Impact of 'Twin Peaks'
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Kiefer Sutherland, Lenny Von Dolan, Grace Zabriskie, Francis Bay, Catherine E. Colson, the great Catherine E. Colson, Michael J. Anderson, the disgraced Michael J. Anderson,
00:06:15
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ah Frank Silva, Walter Olavich, Al Strobel, Gary Hershberger, Andrea Hayes, ah Rick Aiello, Gary Bullock, Chris Peterson, Julie Cruz, Calvin Lockhart, Michael Antkeen. These are the the from the missing pieces. We've got Michael Antkeen, Warren Frost, Everett McGill, Jack Nance, Kimmy Robertson, Joan Chen. Here goes.
00:06:41
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Michael Horace, Russ Tamblyn, Wendy Roby, Don S., the great Don S. Davis, Charlotte Stewart, and Mary Jo Deschanel. Yes, the mother of those Deschanels.
00:06:53
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How do you cut out Major Briggs? Come on, man. Bobby was there. Bobby. Apparently it wasn't that difficult. I hate that this is a prequel because we have to go back to Shithead Bobby. Shithead Bobby, yeah, before his redemption.
00:07:06
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i loved his redemption arc. it's it's ah It's one of the better redemption arcs, honestly. and it's weird because it you can tell that like they kind of saw in the first season that this would be better if they made the character not such an asshole.
00:07:20
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Yeah, because he's a real asshole in season one. The transition doesn't seem forced, though. It does seem like a natural progression for that character. That's why I love new Bobby. I love good Bobby.
00:07:32
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And I love Bobby in the return. It's like the Bobby in the return is fucking great. And he's so wholesome. And I love him. him I want to give him a hug. I mean, when we say all cops are bastards, obviously, i think we can exclude Bobby from that.
00:07:47
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The entirety, I would say, of the Twin Peaks police department there can be excluded. that's That's a good point. yeah Look, Tucker, before we move on, I do need to say two things.
00:07:59
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Yes. I need to say, what a cast. And I need to say, what a picture. Agreed. Because um I can, Tucker, I just need to, just for the record, i just need to put this out there.
00:08:13
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fucking love Twin Peaks. Girl, me too. Twin Peaks is my favorite television show of all time. Twin Peaks The Return may be the greatest thing I have ever seen on television. It's everything this movie should have been. Yes.
00:08:30
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Yes, it is. Oh, fuck. And honestly, I'm going to I like Firewalk with me. It took me a few watches, at least two or three.
00:08:44
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By the third watch, I was absolutely vibing with with Firewalk with me. For me, it's the context. Like, this is the the reason that I was into it this time and I never have been, though I've seen this film at least seven or eight times.
00:09:00
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Right. And you you you were, like, rallying against covering this this week. Because i didn't but i didn't want to I didn't want to be the naysayer on this because everybody fucking loves this movie.
00:09:11
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And i was just, I was kind of dreading it, but I kind of realized something when I was watching it. Yeah.
00:09:19
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I think when i every time I watched this movie before, it was part of a Twin Peaks watch through. Right. So like up until The Return, you know it was season one, season two, Firewalk with me.
00:09:32
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Right. And then when The Return came along, season one, season two, Firewalk with me, you know The Missing Pieces if I feel like it, and then The Return. How can not like Missing Pieces? I've kind of... Well, it's it's a lot. But I kind of feel like
00:09:52
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when in the middle of a watch through, can't really get into this movie because it's such an abrupt... change in tone.
00:10:05
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It's a big tonal departure. Yeah. hundred percent. And that's, that was initially my biggest problem with it as well. I agree with you. Yes. And that's, I, I've never watched it outside of a watch through.
00:10:17
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This is the only time because I've kind of, I haven't fallen out of love with twin peaks. I still love it as much as I used to, but it's just gotten so me, me over like the last five years, it's just blown up.
00:10:29
Speaker
on the internet and now everybody in the world is watching and quoting Twin Peaks. It's constantly referenced. There's constantly memes and like ah oversaturation just kills shit for me. Like that's the same reason I haven't watched Monty Python and the Holy Grail since I was 17. Because I'm sick and fucking tired of people quoting it.
00:10:49
Speaker
It's annoying as shit. That is a movie. Monty Python in the Holy Grail is a movie I could quote but in its entirety before I'd ever seen it. Oh, well, I had had seen it. That was the thing is I'm always like just slightly ahead of the curve when it comes to shit like that.
00:11:06
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You hipster ass motherfucker. Not on purpose. I just have a little bit of foresight. And so I discovered it a couple years before everybody else. You pretentious douchebag.
00:11:16
Speaker
and no and And it's the same thing. I mean, a little bit. I don't know how i else to explain it. Because like with Twin Peaks, I was too young when it initially dropped.
00:11:27
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Right. But I feel like I kind of spearheaded the revival because I i initially came to it and watched it in its entirety guess maybe 2010. And then probably about 10 years after that, now it's I think the pandemic had a lot to do with that too. There were a lot of old shows that people hadn't gotten to and it was streaming easily streaming. So, Oh yeah.
00:11:54
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Oh yeah. It was all over the place.
Impact of Solving Mysteries on TV Shows
00:11:56
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Yeah. And I mean it, yeah, it's, it's just, but it's also one of those shows that everybody points to like every big show that came out of like the two thousands and beyond can point to twin peaks as a massive influence. Yeah.
00:12:12
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yeah Like, it's one of those shows that made every show you love possible. It is pillar. Like, you love The Sopranos? Twin Peaks. You love Breaking Bad? Twin Peaks. You love fucking Lost? Twin Peaks.
00:12:24
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It is a pillar of modern television. 100%. A big one, too. Like, a big, ah like, load-bearing beam yeah in the middle of modern television. Yeah.
00:12:36
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100%. Yeah. And it and it it is like it's it's one of those shows that kind of it was such a cultural phenomenon in its day. It was it was one of the water cooler shows of the late eighty s early 90s.
00:12:51
Speaker
And then it once the central mystery of the show was solved, it was done. It's like one of those like moonlighting, once they get together, everyone stops watching. Yeah, oh man, don't remind me.
00:13:03
Speaker
i was so disappointed when I finally when i finally watched Moonlighting and All of a sudden, there was no will they won't they. And it just kind of killed it for me. Like like I did like the other romances, like ah the guy that plays Booger in the nerds movie. Like he was. Curtis Armstrong. Yeah.
00:13:25
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Him and the secretary gal, the detective agency kind of had a thing. But it was always kind of like a side story. Sure. It didn't have the heat. Funny in that show.
00:13:35
Speaker
bruce willis Bruce Willis was an incredibly amazing comedyic comedic actor. And it's something that he Moonlighting is the
Bruce Willis's Career Discussion
00:13:44
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tour de force. It really is. If you want to see Bruce Willis in comedian mode, that's that's the show right there because he's completely out of his mind.
00:13:53
Speaker
He played into that a lot more in his early career. You even see it in like Hudson Hawk, its which is a movie. It's in John McClane as well. Yeah, exactly. McClane is basically a homeboy from Moonlighting, but he's a cop and he's in that situation.
00:14:09
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It's the same personality, you know, pretty much. And it's why those last couple Die Hard movies don't work is because he's completely abandoned the comedic premise. Yeah.
00:14:20
Speaker
There are no Die Hard movies passed with a vengeance. I don't know what you're talking about, Stephen. No, you see, there is a there's a film. It's called Live Free or Die Hard.
00:14:31
Speaker
And then there's also A Good Day to Die Hard. That one with Timothy Oliphant, I like it, but not as a diehard movie. I do like that. I think Justin Long is good in that. I think Timothy Oliphant is effective as the kind of villain you have to be for a diehard film.
00:14:48
Speaker
Timothy Oliphant's in a diehard film, but nobody else is. Yeah. And it's ah Kevin Smith is pretty fun in that too. Yeah, that's true. i always forget. He said, yeah, a alive I think he might forget he's in that. No, he, he, remember there's enough he Bruce Willis for cop out. Yeah. That's why cop out exists. And boy, does he have stories about that?
00:15:09
Speaker
Yeah. I've heard most of them. Yeah. We still love you, Bruce Willis. And we hope you're doing well. i I adore Bruce. Bruce Willis is one of my favorite movie stars of all time. I fucking love Bruce Willis, and I will die on that hill.
00:15:21
Speaker
I honestly cannot wait to cover Hudson Hawk on this show. I can't either. I love that movie. What's that other one he did? The the one on The Last Man Standing. You see that, Steven? Oh, I haven't seen that one. No, no, no, no, no. Is that is that the Walter Hill movie?
00:15:35
Speaker
ah Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Because it's like it's a retelling of something. I can't think of it, but it's um it's like a 30s desert movie. Like they're in the desert, but it's the 30s.
00:15:48
Speaker
And ah I don't know what Last Man Standing is what it's called. I don't know if that's it. I hate the fact that when Last Man Standing pops up, the first thing that comes up is that fucking Tim Allen show.
00:15:59
Speaker
My dad has two VHS copies if you want to borrow one. bruce Bruce Dern is in this movie. The two Bruce's. Willis and andison Dern. Yeah. christ yeah walk Christopher Walken. Christopher Walken.
00:16:10
Speaker
oh and David Patrick Kelly from Twin Peaks. Twin Peaks is on David Patrick Kelly. oh He's T-Bird in The Crow, and he's the guy with the bottles on his fingers and the warriors. In the Warriors. Another Walter Hill joint. Yeah, absolutely. Michael Imperioli in there.
00:16:25
Speaker
ah Ken Jenkins from ah from Scrubs is in there, too. Like, what a cast on this thing. It's not the same tone as Hudson Hawk, but it feels like it's made with the same reckless abandon as Hudson Hawk. Oh, it's a remake of an Akira Kurosawa film?
00:16:40
Speaker
Yes, there you go. I knew it was something Japanese, but I knew i wasn't going to get it right, so... Because I'm looking at the ah the writer as Akira Kurosawa, and I'm like, okay, kind of dig that. You're going to like it. Put it on the list. We'll do a month. I probably will.
00:16:53
Speaker
We'll do Bruce Willis month. Man. Oh, I would love to do it Bruce Willis Yes, let's please. I fucking love that, man. um Again, my favorite movie star. But my favorite television show is Twin Peaks.
00:17:06
Speaker
Yes. And this was-
00:17:11
Speaker
You know disappointed I was when I found out that wasn't like a restaurant with Twin Peaks memorabilia. It was like a Hooters, like a fancy Hooters. Right. Yeah. i was like, I don't care about some titties. Like, I want to see some, like, David Lynch shit. Come on.
00:17:23
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In
David Lynch's Vision and Network Challenges
00:17:24
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fairness, I also enjoy titties. Yeah, but, like, not while I'm eating. Like, that's a whole different part of my day. know what
00:17:37
Speaker
I mean? The... So, and again, like a lot has been said about Twin Peaks and this film's role within that whole,
00:17:48
Speaker
um within the the narrative of Twin Peaks as a whole. The central mystique of Twin Peaks was the death of Laura Palmer.
00:17:59
Speaker
And the central mystery of who killed Laura Palmer was never intended to be solved. But ABC... couldn't deal with that as a network.
00:18:11
Speaker
And so they pretty much demanded that the mystery be solved. And so they had, I mean, I think they, it was always Bob, But like who was the demonic entity of Bob inhabiting in that moment was, I think, the central conceit in the mystery of the show.
00:18:31
Speaker
um And that was because, you you know, it's Bob in the first episode. Mike, the one armed man, pretty much shows up and says it's Bob. Yeah, but you don't know who, like you said, you don't know who Bob is using as like a meat puppet, you know?
00:18:47
Speaker
Correct. And so that when that mystery is resolved in the second season, viewership just completely drops off. And the show of loses its center.
00:19:01
Speaker
To be fair, they didn't, it didn't, it took them a couple episodes to number one, find anything interesting to do again. Right. And then it took a couple more episodes to figure out what to do with that interesting idea.
00:19:14
Speaker
And the
Significance of 'Fire Walk With Me' in Twin Peaks Universe
00:19:15
Speaker
ending is great. The last two episodes of the second season are peak twin fucking peaks. The last episode in particular is fucking unhinged. now and that's another that's another reason why Firewalk With Me is such a disappointment for me when I watch it as part of a watch-through.
00:19:33
Speaker
Because we we leave off on How's Annie. You know, How's Annie? And you're like, oh shit, it's about to pop off. Not fucking great, Bob. like oh it's about to pop off. And then Firewalk With Me is like...
00:19:47
Speaker
oh that I guess Chris Isaac's here now and Kiefer Sutherland and we're just kind of... Which I will admit is my favorite. Having watched it outside of the context of a rewatch, that first quarter with them is my favorite part of the film and I kind of wish they had either gone all in on the twin peaks of it all or followed that prequel shit with Chris Isaac and Kiefer Sutherland.
00:20:13
Speaker
Because I would love... I want the rest of that. I still want the rest of that. Same. And I mean, they they do stuff with it in the return. Like the return is very indebted to Firewalk with me in a lot of ways. Even Henry Dean Stanton reprises the character that was only in Firewalk with me.
00:20:32
Speaker
Yeah. And I mean, I too have my, my cup of good morning America here. yes indeed like that he, he refers to his, his beverages, good morning America multiple times. And I fucking love that about him, but like it was so from my understanding, and there, there's a lot of moving pieces to this one Lynch for Lynch. Laura Palmer is the heart of twin peaks without that central mystique. And without that central mystery, there's no show.
00:21:01
Speaker
So when he had the idea to turn it into a film, she needed to still be, continue to be at the center of it because she's the point. She's the purpose. She's the heart of the show. It's about how the murder of this one person affects the entire town, this tiny little town.
00:21:24
Speaker
The...
00:21:27
Speaker
The fallout from the reveal was such that, and Lynch was also in the middle of making, I believe it's Wild at Heart at the time. so he's a he's away for a lot of the of the second season.
00:21:40
Speaker
And a lot of the cast, including Lara Flynn Boyle, Kyle McLaughlin, Sherilyn Fenn, really don't like that.
00:21:55
Speaker
like really And so none of them want to return for the movie. They eventually talk McLaughlin into coming back, but he doesn't want to come back for all of what they have planned. So he's actually supposed to be the agent paired with Sam Stanley in Dear Meadow. Oh, I like them, though. i like Chris Isaac and Kiefer Sutton. I like their dynamic. I want that show.
00:22:21
Speaker
i want that Twin Peaks spinoff show with them.
00:22:26
Speaker
He's got, so like McLaughlin just doesn't want to come back. He just doesn't want to do all that shit. So he decides he's, he's going to do some, but not all.
00:22:37
Speaker
And so they have to replace McLaughlin with Chris Isaac. So that's why Chris Isaac is there. Yeah. um He's got his own and o Modus operandi. yeah I think I've mentioned this on the podcast before, but Gordon Cole is my favorite television character of all time.
00:22:56
Speaker
I believe that. I do believe it. Like, he is my number one. Like, i've I finally decided on my Mount Rushmore of television characters. Yeah. In order. It's Gordon Cole.
00:23:09
Speaker
It's George Costanza. It's baby Billy Freeman. And it's Ralph Wiggum. Those are my four. That's fair. That makes sense for you, Steven, knowing that's your your shows that you like there. that that ha percent 100%. But yeah, so Lara Flynn Boyle doesn't want to come back, but you can't do a last seven days.
00:23:30
Speaker
You can do a last seven days of Laura Palmer without... um Sherilyn Fenn's character. Audrey Horn. You can do it without Audrey. You can't do it without Donna Hayward. like She is... She's Laura Palmer's best friend. just don't like donna i never I will never accept new Donna. Never.
00:23:50
Speaker
Never, ever, ever. and ah She's a fine actress, I'm sure. but that's not Donna, dude. I am honestly a little surprised that we never...
00:24:03
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that That Lynch didn't reach out to Moira Kelly to play Donna in The Return. Given how dependent that show is on Walk With Me, i'm I'm a little confused because Laura Flynn Boyle was very adamant I'm not coming back to do it. She's the one person who walked away from Twin Peaks and never looked back.
00:24:25
Speaker
Yeah, it is. um Even David Duchovny shows up in The Return. He does pop up in The Return. It's fantastic. Which I fucking love. Heather Graham does not, but I think that's because Annie like fucking dies. um Yeah. in like i I don't know that she makes it out.
00:24:44
Speaker
Um, the, the, the, the owl ring never gets resolved. There's a part in the missing pieces is about the, uh, nurse stealing the owl ring off of Annie and taking it and wearing it, but that never gets, that never gets looped back.
00:24:59
Speaker
Um, so like, there are a lot of things that are unresolved, but again, i don't think Lynch is in this for, the resolution of the narrative. I think Lynch could care less about the narrative for him. It's about exploring what these relationships are and what they mean to each other.
00:25:22
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The fact that the death of Laura Palmer fundamentally changes something much,
00:25:31
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innate to what this town is. i think that's really what he's after. And that's really the thing that interests him. So when Laura Palmer is removed from the equation in season two, when that is, when that loop is closed, there's no reason for him to stick around. no.
00:25:47
Speaker
no No, and it it makes me think that maybe the perfect way to watch this after you've already seen the entire series is to just watch Firewalk with me first and then start the first season.
00:26:01
Speaker
Second, watching chronological order, the return, because then like you're not fucking with the tone too much, because I think the transition from Firewalk with me to season one would feel a lot better than season two and Firewalk with me for me.
00:26:17
Speaker
fire what And again, the end of season two gets, with the exception of the last couple episodes, gets kind of goofy. They really lean in at the end of the at the end of that second season after the reveal of who kills Laura Palmer, which, look, if you're listening to this episode, I assume you've seen Twin Peaks. So I'm just going to say it's her dad.
00:26:39
Speaker
Ray Wise. It's Laura's dad, Leland Parmel, played by Ray Wise, the great Ray Wise. Yes, we love him. He's so fucking good. He's so fucking good. and He's so good in this. Honestly, he's so good. He was really good in, he was in this show called Reaper where he played the devil.
00:26:56
Speaker
yeah that's a really good show three seasons i can't believe it lasted that long but i say good you said three and i was like you that's too too many it's got straight up uh tucker and dale what's his nuts not alan tyler labine yeah yes he's in it and he's great that's where why i first saw him and then he was in that's like the first thing he did yeah that like his big thing uri and yeah yeah And again, think it was because Kevin Smith directed the pilot of Reaper. And so he like tapped him to do Zack and Marian as well.
00:27:27
Speaker
Um, yeah but like, yeah, Ray wise and, and like Ray wise is, and and this movie really explores that. But again, I think because of how goofy the second season of twin peaks got that, this is so much darker and it's a film. So it can, you we can push boundaries and limits. Like yeah we can see Laura and, um, Donna, like,
00:27:50
Speaker
just like taking their shirts off and like getting freaky. Like it's it it's a lot darker. it deals with subjects as like horrible as incest and domestic abuse. And it really, and it deals with them in a very visceral way.
00:28:11
Speaker
Yeah. Which and it's not, and it is as unpleasant as those, as those topics are like this. And then it picks them as deeply, deeply disturbing and unpleasant.
00:28:23
Speaker
And I know that that's the point. Yeah. and I know that it's done very, very well. But sometimes that shit, especially with David Lynch, that shit just goes a little too far for me.
00:28:36
Speaker
Like, that's why I don't watch. I've only watched Blue Velvet once because no, dude, that's not my like, why would I ever want to watch that? It's a great movie, but why would I ever fucking want to watch Blue Velvet ever again?
00:28:48
Speaker
Why? I can't think of any reason. I get it. No, because it's and it makes me feel icky. Like in a way that's like even worse than like Requiem for a Dream. It just makes me feel gross.
00:29:00
Speaker
Requiem is and I've seen both of those movies twice, but I know movie has made me feel like Requiem for Dream has made me feel like when I first saw Requiem for a Dream, I curled up into fetal position and I sobbed for five minutes straight.
00:29:12
Speaker
Like no David Lynch's movie has made me feel that way. it It is. Oh, it's so fucking bleak. And I think the thing that Lynch is doing in both Twin Peaks and Blue Velvet is this darkness below the surface. like everything And that that's kind of a Lynchian...
00:29:34
Speaker
element Like that' that's one of the hallmarks of his cinema is the the things look one way on the outside, but they are something deeply disturbing underneath.
00:29:45
Speaker
And I think both Firewalk with me and Blue Velvet are and incredibly emblematic of Which is exactly why I am more a fan of David Lynch than I am of most of his movies.
00:29:59
Speaker
Because I respect where he goes. I can see that he's doing it well. But sometimes it just goes a little too far for me. And I... i Because again, i and I said this on an episode of um Bodies of Horror ah with our very good friend, past and future guest, Nicole Goebel, who is a on but that that show. is on If you're not listening to Bodies of Horror, fucking go listen to that show. But I covered Elephant Man on that show with her.
00:30:30
Speaker
And my my my read on Lynch is that he is one of the most
00:30:46
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one of the points that I made on bodies of horror is that I would say that Lynch is probably one of the most sincere filmmakers that there is.
00:31:00
Speaker
And so if he's going to portray something, even if he's not portraying it literally, he's portraying the truth of it as literally as possible, the sincerity of it.
00:31:12
Speaker
It's, I think, what makes him such an effective filmmaker. um And so when he's portraying something terrible, like – Like in the case of something like Blue Velvet or Fire Walk With Me, violence against women, he portrays it very viscerally, and it's very disturbing.
00:31:31
Speaker
and for that and And again, because of his aching sincerity as a filmmaker, that comes through. It's what makes the The Elephant Man such a tragic film. It's what makes The Straight Story such an affecting movie. like It's a David Lynch G-rated Disney movie, The Straight Story.
00:31:49
Speaker
but You just made my two favorite David Lynch films. Yeah. But damn it, if I'm not sobbing like a fucking baby by the end of it, right? like Both of those are so good. They're so fucking good. And and something like Mulholland Drive, which is very cerebral and abstract, it's still...
00:32:08
Speaker
truthful Even if you don't understand the the narrative through line of the thing, the emotions – and no one does. And no one should. Yeah, I don't think anybody does. i I think David Lynch understood it and I think he understood it.
00:32:21
Speaker
But i I don't think he understood it as a literal story because, again, that was supposed to be ah television series. Oh yeah. The pilot exists. Yeah. It's out there. We might cover it for a, like a new Patreon only show where we talk about failed TV pilots. I don't know.
00:32:40
Speaker
It's a thing. we Let us know if you're interested. Discussing it. Yeah. It's, it's a thing that's come up. I i may or may not be compiling a list of those as we speak. Um,
00:32:50
Speaker
Um, but like it's, it like the, there there was supposed to be more to that story, but I think when it, he adapted it to film, it became something very different, but the emotions are still there and the emotions are still very raw and real.
00:33:08
Speaker
yeah. And and it's it's it's that's the one adjective I subscribe to David Lynch is sincerity. i guess ah sincerity is the noun for him, but since he is sincere. He is an achingly sincere filmmaker.
00:33:21
Speaker
And I feel like that is one thing that sets this, that that that this movie also embodies is that sincerity. Well, that's why I love all of David Lynch's films, but I don't want to watch most of them.
00:33:37
Speaker
Yeah. Like, hey, let's watch straight up. Let's watch Lost Highway. I'll be like, ah. And that's what I haven't seen yet. Let's watch Blue Velvet. And I'm like, what if not, though?
00:33:51
Speaker
And Blue Velvet, I think, is maybe the pure. That or Mulholland Drive. I haven't decided. Those two, I think, are the purest distillation of Lynch's. thing of like Lynch as a filmmaker Mulholland Drive is my favorite of his films I fucking love Mulholland Drive it is ah we recently um had to rank our top 25 horror films in the last 25 years for the pod and the pendulum And Mulholland Drive is my number one with a bullet.
00:34:20
Speaker
Wow. It wasn't even a consideration for me. I love that movie. And I'm only one of like two people that listed Mulholland Drive and all the people that we asked to be a part of it.
00:34:32
Speaker
um But it's it's my number one. I love Mulholland Drive. That movie fucking smacks. It will always be my go-to for lunch. And I definitely own it on Criterion Wow.
00:34:44
Speaker
Like it's it's it once I bought it on criteria in Criterion 4K, gave my Blu-ray to Brett because I already owned it on Blu-ray. And I was like, Brett, you don't have my Holland Drive. You need to watch my Holland Drive. Here's my Holland Drive. You're welcome.
00:34:57
Speaker
Yeah. Enjoy that. Have fun with that. o And I mean, I can totally understand why someone may not like that or may not get into Lynch. Like he's for for his sincerity, he's very abstract and there's not a linear narrative that's easily trackable after like the straight story.
00:35:17
Speaker
Pretty much. and like you said, the elephant man to the elephant man is a pretty straightforward narrative. I mean, it's it's a biopic, essentially. i mean, i would say.
00:35:28
Speaker
Like, Eraserhead is very narratively abstract. Elephant Man, narratively straightforward. Dune, narratively straightforward. Like... He has this run. But I'm gonna. I have to.
00:35:41
Speaker
and have I'm in charge of that quest. Hope is going to make you. and Friend of the show, Hope Stow, is going to make you. Yeah, um I can't get away from it. I'm kind of surprised she hasn't reminded you in a while. but I haven't forgotten, so there's that, at least. i'm I'm glad for that. I own two copies of David Lynch's Dune. I own one on Blu-ray, and I own one on 4K. You want my Blu-ray copy? Yeah.
00:36:03
Speaker
Sure, yeah Next time I see it, that'll help me see it because i'll be it'll be on my stack because when I get Blu-rays or buy Blu-rays or 4Ks, I put them in the stack of, hey, we just got these.
00:36:16
Speaker
We should watch them. Yeah, I'll give you my... That's also my... two o'clock in the morning and I have to go to bed, but I'm like, Oh shit, you know, it would be cool to watch. And so I pulled off the shelf and I put it in that stack too.
00:36:29
Speaker
It's like my, it's, it's my, and don't know. It's my little list. I go through those. I try to go through them first. I usually make a big mess, but it's your, your physical watch list.
00:36:42
Speaker
It is. It is. The priorities change. I'm constantly shuffling it hundred percent. So Tucker, now that we're like, what, like, almost 40 minutes into this episode.
00:36:53
Speaker
um What is your history with Twin Peaks? When did you, how did you first come to Twin Peaks? What is your kind of it you said you've watched it straight through several times. Like what, when did you first discover it?
00:37:04
Speaker
So I've known about Twin Peaks and Twin Peaks has pretty much been on my watch list since it came out. I wasn't old enough to watch it.
00:37:17
Speaker
Right. When it came out. And it probably would not have made sense to me, but it's always kind of been in the background there. And it's always been something that I wanted to watch. And then when DVD made it really easy to distribute TV shows,
00:37:34
Speaker
um I think I rented it either from physically from Blockbuster, a Blockbuster store, or maybe through ah Netflix DVDs through the mail. Mm-hmm.
00:37:47
Speaker
And so I watched it all that way. This was probably, fuck, like 2007?
00:37:53
Speaker
Sounds tons about right. And then when it came on streaming a few years later, i watched it a few more times.
00:38:06
Speaker
And then eventually I got the Blu-rays. I have um the first two seasons along with Firewalk with me and the missing pieces in one set.
00:38:22
Speaker
And then I have the return in another set. And I really love the the return set because it's a, it's the box is split in the middle and you pull it apart. And on the left side, I've seen this Cooper on the right side, it's evil Cooper.
00:38:38
Speaker
And when you open it up, it's Dougie Jones. Good old Dougie Jones, the star of The Return. Hands down best character of The Return.
00:38:52
Speaker
That Kyle MacLachlan was not Emmy nominated Twin Peaks The Return is a travesty. it is. It is ah one of the greatest injustices.
00:39:03
Speaker
So I also probably first started watching Twin Peaks around... that time like ah when i first started engaging with it probably around 2007 2008 i was i was teaching at the time i was i was still an educator and i started watching it and i really got into it and then i put off watching firewalk with me for ah few years it wasn't i think it wasn't until after i was married that i started watching that i watched
00:39:34
Speaker
And on my second Twin Peaks watch through, I watched Fire Walk with me. And I think it was friend of the show, past and future guest, my failed surprise guest for this evening, Samuel Dumas.
00:39:48
Speaker
Oh, man, Sammy, no. Come on, man. Make some time. try I tried. Well, you know, i it was, again, it's kind of one of those, like, last minute things. Like, hey, would you be interested? And he's like, definitely interested. Can you postpone the recording? And I'm like,
00:40:03
Speaker
I cannot postpone the recording. Call him right now. Patch him in Patch him in on the switchboard. Call him up right now. See what he's doing. I'm not going to do that. um Okay.
00:40:14
Speaker
He's got a wife and a child. like in And his his wife is also a huge Twin Peaks fan. um And she like he was like, she might. he is the He says, honestly, um his wife and you, he said, are the two people that he knows who have read The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer.
00:40:29
Speaker
No, I've read all them Twin Peaks books. Did you read the the the last one that Mark Frost put out like with The Return? I read both of those, yes. I read the one that he put out with the original series and with The Return.
00:40:45
Speaker
Okay. And not only did I read them physically, but I own the audiobooks, and they're read by the cast. and Oh, that's cool. And fantastic. Fantastic. The only thing, the best way to do it is to listen to the audio book, follow along in the actual book so that you can get like the drawings and the maps and like all the shit that's because the physical book has a lot of visual.
00:41:06
Speaker
Oh yeah. stuff There's, I mean, you would, it would feel like a disservice to not include that. Right. Um, yeah but then like my, my partner has never been interested in twin peaks. And in fact, we got like, I think three episodes in and she turned to me she goes I hate this.
00:41:23
Speaker
ah So, but we did before before we tried, and it was kind of one of those things where she was like, I don't think that's for me. um But i was I would bring it up so frequently. like it Like anytime someone would ask for a TV show recommendation, Twin Peaks would be the first thing I would mention because it's my favorite show.
00:41:42
Speaker
So for Christmas last year, she bought me... The complete Twin Peaks TV edition, which I'm holding here in my hand right now. literally went and pulled it off my bookshelf as a visual aid. But I have to control all the stuff.
00:41:55
Speaker
This has every, this is the television collection. So this has everything except Firewalk with me and the missing pieces, which I actually don't need because I have the Criterion Blu-ray that has both of them. I would say you have the Criterion one. You got to get that 4K though. They upgraded it. was going to say, I'm going to have to upgrade. Like I did with Mulholland Drive. I'm going have to upgrade. Yeah. but um but yeah this has got the full television collection it's like many men one two three four it's so bulky mine's so much easier than that plus it's got the movie nine ten eleven it's like 12 discs discs yeah twelve no no ah no not 12 16 16 discs dude like what's going on
00:42:36
Speaker
I mean, this four k is no no, no, no, no. These are, this is, this is DVD. Regular ass. Oh, that's DVD. Okay. That's why Blu-rays hold more. Exactly.
00:42:47
Speaker
But it's got the first two seasons and, and the return. So it's got all, all of that on here. Does it have the but European pilot where it's just like a movie with a proper ending?
00:43:00
Speaker
I don't know if it has that. That actually is the only piece of Twin Peaks Ephemera that I have not engaged with. You should see it. It's really fun. But I think it's something, ah again, that you have to do outside of a watch through. Right. And I probably would, knowing knowing me. I probably But it's fun because like having knowledge of where that show goes and watching it go where it goes in that TV film...
00:43:25
Speaker
it's ah it's It's pretty interesting. No, I don't doubt it. i've heard I've heard about it, but I don't know a lot of the details of it. um But I know like that's... David Lynch initially conceived of the Red Room and the Man from Another Place as a part of that.
00:43:42
Speaker
yeah um And then... Yeah, like eventually incorporated that. And that became like one of the key parts of the series. think... i think only exposure Bleep her name, please. Yeah, got it.
00:43:58
Speaker
Sorry. I try not to say her name on the podcast. You fucked up, I fucked One of my partner's key points of, um like, one of the things that she recognizes Twin Peaks from is The Simpsons in the the Who Shot Mr. Burns, like, second episode of that episode.
00:44:22
Speaker
but ah two-parter so hard when when lisa simpson is basically imitating the man from another place uh when uh chief wiggum drinks a bunch of warm cream and passes out and has a dream a dale cooper-esque dream of the red room ah lisa simpson being the man from another place burns suit look burns suit like Wow.
00:44:52
Speaker
It's pretty wild. Pretty wild. Yeah. um But yeah, i I love the iconography of Twin Peaks. The Red Room is such an incredible thing. like the
00:45:10
Speaker
Michael J. Anderson, is the the backwards speech is so...
00:45:18
Speaker
It's weird and it's disturbing and it like gets under your skin in a very weird way. yeah And it's because that actor could could speak backwards like pretty effortlessly. That was just like a thing he could do.
00:45:34
Speaker
I had a friend in high school who could who could easily do that like. the day he, the day I realized he could do it was the day he told me that Republicans backwards is snacklebuffer.
00:45:48
Speaker
And I was just like, that's insane that you can just do that. Like, and we just throw words at him and he just spit them out backwards. Like, with very little effort. And apparently that's something that Michael J. Anderson could do.
00:46:02
Speaker
um I used to do that with a friend of mine. um i was in radio broadcasting class, a vocational class in high school of which I have a vocational degree in radio broadcasting because of that class.
00:46:18
Speaker
And ah my friend and i ah so I was kind of on the cusp of analog to digital when it came to radio. And so I learned the digital stuff, like the audio vault and and editing and stuff like that. But I also learned analog shit, like I did reel-to-reel editing.
00:46:36
Speaker
And the cool thing about a reel-to-reel is if you flip the reel over and have it going the other way, everything is backwards. so My friend Drew and I would figure out how to say things backwards and record them backwards and then flip the tape around and play them backwards and see how close we got. That's how I'm so familiar with what my Christian name is, backwards.
00:47:08
Speaker
Because we used to just just like go and he'd be like, word? And I'd be like, it's such. Hopefully no one reverses that and figures out what your Christian name is. That's Back Mask. You're not supposed to know about that.
00:47:27
Speaker
You might as well bleep it, dude. Play the record backwards, I guess. Spin it with your hand.
00:47:34
Speaker
yeah Can you say Paul is Dead backwards? No, and I'm not going to bleep that either because this is already going to be one hell of an edit job, Steven. Yeah, I know. i'm making I got a day to do it.
00:47:48
Speaker
I got a day to do it. I'm making you do it. You have two days. I take that back. I'm fine. Making you do backwards editing shit. um That's easy. Like I said, like J.K. Simmons and the Lady Killers, easiest thing in the world.
00:48:02
Speaker
That is exactly what you said to me. And then you sent the gif. I did. as if I found it. I looked up. Look, I looked up J.K. Simmons, lady killers. Nothing. I looked up easiest thing in the world.
00:48:14
Speaker
First thing that fucking. I was going to say first one. Yeah. A hundred percent. Yeah. First one. I'm always overthinking it when it comes to my gif searches. Always. Yeah.
00:48:26
Speaker
No, i I've done the same thing where I'm like, why is this gift not popping up? Like I did. um ah tried to to send ah the why are you booing me? I'm right. Hannibal Burris on the Eric Andre show gift to a friend of mine.
00:48:39
Speaker
So I typed in why are you booing me? I'm right. But like my teams was all jacked up. So i I wasn't able to see the gift. So I just hovered over one that said Hannibal Burris. And I'm like oh, that's got to be it.
00:48:50
Speaker
My friend was like. oops why what is that? and I was like, i was trying to post this GIF. Is that not what shows up? She's like, no, it's just a picture of Hannibal Buress with his name underneath it and I was like, oh, that's not what I was trying to say.
00:49:04
Speaker
I mean, if you know, you know, though, like it's a deep cut. right I mean, I'm saying the right person says that they get the joke. And fortunately, she is very young and like young. And when I say very young, I mean younger than nine eleven So like she.
00:49:22
Speaker
Yeah. She does not know from Eric Andre or Hannibal Buress, frankly. Yeah. Although i we have taken to posting the why are you booing me, I'm right, and the Hannibal Buress saying whack from the Eric Andre show. We've we've taken to posting those GIFs to each other quite a bit in the last few days. Yes.
00:49:42
Speaker
I really like Eric Andre's podcast, but only like in snippets that they put up on Instagram. Yeah, that sounds like I really and I really enjoyed the snippets. And i was like, oh, I should listen to the whole podcast. And I tried and I was like, nope, the snippets is the only thing that's good, really. Eric Andre is good in very short bursts.
00:50:00
Speaker
I'll like those Instagram posts because those bring me joy. But I have no reason to listen to this whole podcast. but No, i'm I'm inclined to agree with you. I couldn't get into the Eric Andre show because, again, it was just too much time. Oh, Eric Andre.
00:50:13
Speaker
I do love the show and I love his stand up, too. He's completely insane. Like there's nothing there's nothing he won't do. He's a madman. He's a madman, Stephen. Indeed. Oh, indeed.
00:50:27
Speaker
But I also think he's brilliant. But podcasting isn't it like Donald Glover and stand up. And some will fight me on that, but he sucks at stand-up.
00:50:39
Speaker
It's just not for him. And that's fair. Not everything is for everybody. Yeah.
00:50:47
Speaker
Yeah. But you know what it is for me It's Twin Peaks. ah Twin Peaks, yeah. Yeah, dude. Twin Peaks is tight. Twin Peaks is tight. ah Richard Baymer, who played Richard Horn, refused to do the movie because there was a scene um with him and Laura and he... oh yeah that was weird. What's that all about? like he He didn't like the... Because it was, again, like in his mind, Richard loved Laura.
00:51:16
Speaker
And so it was... i think it may have been... i think Jacques may have replaced... um Richard Horn. no Michael Parks in this, by the way, unfortunately.
00:51:29
Speaker
tragically. Which is a damn shame because we get jobs, but we don't get like, come on, man. Right. um But yeah, like I think Jacques replaced because, again, it was kind of this scene where he's being very like dismissive and borderline abusive to Laura. And he goes, yeah, Richard would not do that to Laura. Like, I i can't play that. And so that's why there are no horns in this movie between Sherilyn Fenn thinking that Lynch kind of abandoned the show and her And like Richard Boehmert kind of being very much against the portrayal of his character in the script. Like we don't have any of the Horn family in this.
00:52:08
Speaker
Or I guess Ben Horn, not Richard Horn. It's Ben Horn. Sorry. I agree with that, that that that whole thing is kind of weird and doesn't make sense or seem to have any impact on anything.
00:52:19
Speaker
But it is is kind of a shame we don't get any of them. But I mean, their whole thing is, their whole thing doesn't really start until, mean, it does make sense that they're not there, I guess. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense that they're not there at all. Leland and Ben are business partners, and they're and you see in the missing pieces, there's the scene where Leland is trying to teach ah Sarah and Laura how to say, ah hello, my, ah like, welcome, my name is blank in Norwegian. and um Yeah.
00:52:54
Speaker
Yeah, but I mean, still, there's not really any place for them here. This is as much as it during a watch through for me, as much as it betrays the tone like this.
00:53:06
Speaker
All of the horn stuff doesn't even fit in this movie. Or The Missing Pieces, for that matter. Right. like It's still full of other shit. like therere like This is i feel like one of the few Lynch movies without Jack Nance. And he doesn't show up yeah except in The Missing Pieces. like Jack Nance is like a mainstay for Lynch. And like you can't even fit him in this movie. Yeah.
00:53:30
Speaker
There's like one scene in The Missing Pieces with Pete and Joe. What's her name? ah ah Chen. um Jodie Packard. Yeah. yeah Yeah. She's not even in the theatrical cut.
00:53:46
Speaker
No, not at all. Neither of are. There's just the one scene of the two of them together talking about talking to the guy who like ordered a two by four and is really pissed that the two by four isn't exactly two by four.
00:53:58
Speaker
And Pete's like, eventually he explains it to him. Like, does it is a dollar worth what it was before and the at your bank. And he's like, oh, I get it. It's such a funny scene, but there's no place for it in the film.
00:54:13
Speaker
And I can't be mad at him because to be fair, this was supposed to be ah one of at least three twin. Correct. Which is why we're covering it.
00:54:24
Speaker
They're setting shit up here, even in the missing pieces that they're not even trying to resolve. It's like this was going to be a prequel. And then the second film was going to be like the official like continuation of season two.
00:54:39
Speaker
That's when you get your the resolve of your cliffhanger. i don't know what three was going to be, but it makes more sense. And that's why it's kind of perfect for this podcast and for this season ending episode, because it is the antithesis of our format.
00:54:58
Speaker
While also being the synthesis of our format. Absolutely. Photosynthesis of our format, even. With sun involved and chlorophyll. You know how that goes.
00:55:09
Speaker
More like borophyll. Okay, you know what I'm saying? Sometimes. Guys up here talking about chlorophyll.
00:55:19
Speaker
um I mean, it it it it because again, and this movie was famously poorly received because again, for the wrong reasons, I think like I think my reasons for not liking this in certain contexts are very valid.
00:55:33
Speaker
But the reason that these the reasons that these critics were giving were just I mean, i i can't even i don't get it. I don't understand it at all.
00:55:46
Speaker
Well, and I mean, the tonal departure, I think, is a big part of... This film was famously booed at Cannes. Like, it it premiered at the Cannes Film Festival and, like, got... a was... ridiculously poorly... it's like, booed.
00:56:02
Speaker
Actively booed. And i I feel like this is the reason why Lynch takes five years to make Lost Highway after this, is because this stung so bad. Like, the reception of this movie...
00:56:15
Speaker
After a thing that was so – and he was coming off a fucking high. Like he's coming off of Wild at Heart, Twin Peaks. Like he's at a career high when this thing comes out. He's like let's – and it's it's partly because there's two years it's gone on between the end of Twin Peaks and this.
00:56:31
Speaker
But also the fact that this is so tonally disparate from what had come before. And Mark Frost – not really involved. like He who is producing, and is he is, as far as like the tonal consistency goes, he is sorely missed And that's what love so much about the return, because even though it is so much more Lynchian, it's only because Showtime affords Lynch and Frost the ability to go further than they could on right ABC.
00:57:06
Speaker
And I think my perfect version of Lynch is when he's doing something with my something with Mark Frost. And that's just Twin Peaks.
00:57:18
Speaker
I think he's going to say for me, like Lynch is a brilliant filmmaker. And like you said before, he's very sincere, one of the most sincere and honest filmmakers. And I respect that. But sometimes that goes too far because it has to go too far.
00:57:33
Speaker
Right. Because again, if you're going to portray it, then you need to portray it honestly. Yes. And I agree with that. But sometimes it it just goes too far for me to where it stops being something that I even really want to engage with.
00:57:46
Speaker
and that maker And again, that makes perfect sense to me. like He's not a filmmaker for everybody because of his willingness to push the boundaries as far as they need to go.
00:57:58
Speaker
Absolutely. Absolutely. And I think that's why Twin Peaks and stuff like ah Straight Story and Elephant Man are my favorite. I mean, the only David Lynch things that I even really revisit.
00:58:13
Speaker
Because I've seen it all. but And I respect it all, but I will never go back to any of the other shit again. like it's just It's not... It's not for me.
00:58:25
Speaker
Love you, David Lynch, but we don't always... like gel no you know I don't know and again not everything needs to be for everyone and Lynch one of my favorite filmmakers like I love his I've not seen everything he's done there are still a few blind spots I own you're getting there with the exception of with the exception of straight story I own everything that ah the man's out you've seen Inland Empire right I own it. I haven't seen it.
00:58:49
Speaker
Like, oh, it's like after I saw that, I was like, should I even have eyes anymore? Like, do I want to see anything ever again? Like, I want to I want to engage with Inland Empire. Like, it's a fucking three hour season. You would love her It's for you, Steven.
00:59:07
Speaker
There have been the way the studio is, but still, it's for you. um I mean, if we ever get to record another, what are we watching? i might have watched something that you would recommend to me. ah Open up my schedule.
00:59:23
Speaker
I got a four day weekend coming up.
00:59:27
Speaker
I have a three and a half day weekend, but yeah, close enough let's do it. But I mean, like, like I, and again, I, I just, I adore his output. I want to engage with everything the man has done.
00:59:41
Speaker
And as of right now, there are only a handful of his movies I haven't seen. I think it's, it's wild at heart. It's lost highway. oh and I think it's in Linda, in Linda empire. I think those are the three I've not seen right now. I own all three of those, but I think those are the three I've not seen.
00:59:57
Speaker
Those first two, even though I never want to see them again, i did really appreciate. Like, I have the Criterion 4K of Lost Highway. have the Wild Heart and Inland Empire on Blu-ray. Inland Empire is just, it's so... It's like... You're going to love it, Steve. You're going to fucking love it.
01:00:22
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i There have been two separate occasions when I've had on my calendar to do a Lynch complete watch through. The first one was with the now defunct Rule of Thirds podcast. We were going to do our second filmmaker study. We did the Coen Brothers. Our second filmmaker study was going to be David Lynch. We didn't do it.
01:00:41
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That's a fun. We never got there. Well, Coen Brothers was a lot of fun. Well, Stephen, if you finish... all of david lynch's films as i have seen whether i wanted to or not every film of david lynch's i would be willing to do a distant five chise with you okay on david lynch because i would 100 do that i haven't revisited all of them i haven't revisited many of them but i've seen all of them sure you've seen dune
01:01:15
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ah Except for Dune. Except for Motherfuckin' Such a blind spot because it's like, what? Why would you why would you ask him to... i guess see when I watch it.
01:01:26
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I was going to say, you could you could go back and re-listen to the three and a half hour episode that ah Hope and I recorded and and Brett. I think Brett was there. Yeah, on on David Lynch's Dune.
01:01:38
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I skimmed through that one you said You said you pretty much turned down the volume and let it play because you had no interest. is as I just had I'm just looking for dead air, really.
01:01:52
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Something I've been doing a lot of lately. i don't know why.
01:01:59
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um But no, I i don't know. yeah I love David Lynch. he's he's He's one of my favorite filmmakers. It's like him, Orson Welles, obviously, Paul Thomas Anderson, Martin Scorsese.
01:02:14
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Like fucking love those guys. I fucking love Uncle Marty. um Like i love all those guys and I celebrate their oeuvres, all of them, even if I haven't seen all of their oeuvres.
01:02:26
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Like I completely celebrate those them as filmmakers and i they're very singular and distinct filmmakers that don't have a lot in common. um But I i i love ah all the love all their work. They do really good work.
01:02:40
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That's the benefits of having a broad taste, Stephen. And I myself enjoy a broad taste. And it's very fulfilling. I recommend it to anyone who has the emotional capacity for it. 100%. Yeah. Like, life's too short to only watch Marvel movies.
01:02:55
Speaker
Yeah. Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and around look around once in a while. You might miss it. You might miss it.
01:03:05
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oh yeah oh yeah test yeah oh yeah oh beautiful what absurd song uh what do you love your little car
01:03:28
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He doesn't drive it. He just rubs it with a diaper. Yeah. Yeah, Cameron. our Our hero. When Cameron was in Egypt land, let my Cameron go.
01:03:47
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Yeah. um But yeah, no, I fucking love Twin Peaks. I fucking love Firewalk with me. I think it's a marvelous film. I think it's an incredible, like Twin Peaks as a whole is such an incredible achievement.
01:03:58
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um And I, I would love to, to give it another shot to rewatch it again from, you know, top to bottom. I do still think this is the weakest link for me, but much like the Scream series, there's nothing bad in the entire Twin Peaks franchise.
01:04:16
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And even before this out of context rewatch that I did, which made me appreciate this film, More than I had in the past. I still didn't consider it a bad film.
01:04:27
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i always kind of knew that was just like it doesn't for me it doesn't work in the context of a rewatch like chronologically as it was distributed. Right. and i think And I think that's why people so viscerally rebelled against it at the time.
01:04:42
Speaker
Especially then. Yeah, because like that was a huge show, even when the numbers dropped off, like people knew what was going on in it. And so to end on that cliffhanger and then finally you're like, oh shit, we're bringing Twin Peaks back on the big screen.
01:04:58
Speaker
Right. It's like if they did the community movie that's supposedly going to happen, but like they recast half of it, told a third of the story and the rest of it was a prequel.
01:05:09
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Right. Could you fucking imagine Steven? There would be riots in the street. In the fucking street. And I'd be out there with him. And I feel like that is, i think, again, ah and it's one of those things that I think hurts a lot of movies these days, is the expectations are so high that when yeah people like get this idea in their head of what it's going to be, and then when they show up and it's not that...
01:05:35
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Like the the backlash is so visceral. And I feel like that's another part of it is people are going into a Twin Peaks movie expecting a continuation of Twin Peaks because that is... Even even expecting Twin Peaks like tonally.
01:05:50
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Right. Like immediately it's just something so much... darker like I feel like it could have been accomplished to where like it was a it kind of was a sliding scale. You know you start out, you you meet people where they're at, and then you gradually bring them down to where you want them to be. But this just starts out where you're like, wait, what what is this now? like I kind of recognize this.
01:06:15
Speaker
But what? This doesn't feel the same, you know? Yeah, I don't think it's an accident that the first thing we see in this movie is a television being smashed. Like, this is not this is not the TV. This is not TV.
01:06:28
Speaker
Fantastic credit sequence, by the way, and I do appreciate that, like, metaphorically and shit. Yeah. But like yeah I don't think that's accidental. like Again, everything that's going on here I feel like is very intentional.
01:06:43
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ah Because Lynch, again, is a very sincere, very intentional filmmaker. Everything is that's there is there for a reason. Sincere and meticulous. He's like he's like ah in a way that like Joseph Kahn is with like planning every aspect of a scene.
01:07:00
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Every single little my minute detail. He's that's why like I could never say anything bad about David Lynch. Not only did he seem like a wonderful human being, but he's such a good filmmaker, whether I like his movies or not.
01:07:16
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Fuck, he's one of the best. Hard to deny the craft, really. yeah And his his effectiveness at.
01:07:24
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Visualizing very complex ideas in a very interesting and engaging way. And again, it's it's less about the narrative structure of the story. Like you can get into that so much, but because Lynch was a transcendental meditationalist, like because that was his kind of religious background, for him, it was about the expression of the idea and about the create, the just the pure unbridled creativity of the thing.
01:07:53
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like i a friend of mine recommended not to – a couple – earlier this year ah that I read his Catching the Big Fish, um and which I have on audiobook.
01:08:04
Speaker
Is it a novel or – No, it's it's about it's about his creative process. Okay. And which is, again, deeply rooted in transcendental meditation. I remember yeah hearing an interview with him and i've I've invoked this, I think, a few times on the podcast, an interview with him on NPR. And someone calls in about, you know, wanting to know kind of where his ideas come from or about, you know, his creative process. And his answer was essentially, you got to transcend.
01:08:34
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yeah And he said that like five times, like straight, like you got to transcend. You can't just be sitting. You got to, you got to transcend. Like he just couldn't let, like that was that, that is, I think the key to his process in a lot of ways is, and I've like seen snippets of his masterclass where he's talking about this deep well of consciousness that you through, through transcendental meditation have access to.
01:08:59
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And that Like tapping into that is the source of his creativity, which I find endlessly fascinating. Like it's such an incredible – like he he is such an incredibly fascinating individual to me.
01:09:14
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um And he – again, this is also kind of our David Lynch RIP episode. Like he passed away – um earlier this year and I kind of toyed with the idea of of pushing this episode up of several weeks, a couple months to kind of fit it in But i I think you kind of wisely said, let's hold off and we'll get to it when get to it.
01:09:36
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I think it was mostly because you didn't want to engage with it right away. But yeah. I mean, yeah, it was mostly that. I am glad I watched it though because I did i did enjoy it despite Despite the things that go kind of too far for my tastes.
01:09:54
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Sure. It still was the best time I've had with this film. I was engaged the entire time. I'd never, you know, like looked at my phone.
01:10:05
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yeah Which I generally don't do anyway, but some things are just so bad. I'm like, I have to like, Sergeant Kabuki, man. There are times where i was like, if I don't look at my fucking phone right now, I'm going to go insane because I hate this so much. You, yeah, that that's not a, that's not a movie for Tucker.
01:10:21
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Also a movie I respect, but boy, I fucking hate that movie. Yeah, it's, I get it, man. It's not, too it's not great. yeah, So but yeah, like I fucking love Twin Peaks. I love Fire Walk With Me. i think this movie is freaking amazing.
01:10:39
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um And frankly, I um yeah, i I don't know. I love David Lynch. What can I say? um My my final thought is if this movie rubs you the wrong way during a watch through. Next time, watch it first.
01:11:00
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And again, i I feel like it should. I feel like it's supposed to. um I don't think that's unintentional. Well, and I think it's okay because if you do that the first time, then you're going to be confused during Firewalk with me because there's context from the show that you need for that shit to make sense.
01:11:17
Speaker
But if you know you've watched it and then you understand it, all well, you've got it all, you know, in your head, you watch on your second watch through Fire Walk with me first because you do have that context. But it still is at a point in the story where you can easily go into the tone of the series.
01:11:35
Speaker
Right. That's my final thought. And if you haven't engaged with Twin Peaks and you've gotten this far in the episode, fucking A, like, watch the fucking show. Watch the movie.
01:11:47
Speaker
Like, engage with it. it's it's an incredibly it's It's an incredibly rewarding property, and it's one of those that it gains something every time you come back to it, I would say.
01:11:58
Speaker
I agree. I agree. Yeah. Twin Peaks Fire Walk With Me opens um the weekend of May 1992. was nine. Or was getting ready nine in couple um and i was i was ah i was nine or i was getting ready to turn nine in a couple months yeah Baby boy but little baby still then um it on a budget of
01:12:29
Speaker
Let me see here. right maybe I was going to say, that's its con weekend. I'm going to find its US-wide weekend. Because then it'll probably actually be engaging with something. That's going to be in August. Let me let me track that down. Bear with me one second here.
01:12:46
Speaker
but i love it when I get to do the live shit. Like, finding the shit live on the whiching pod. Would you let me vamp, Steven? By all means. While you do that...
01:12:59
Speaker
Uh, well, shit. Now i lost it, man. Look, see what you did. You drew drew it on for too long and I completely lost it. Yeah. All my fault. I can't believe you've done this, dude. I got it. If that helps.
01:13:11
Speaker
Good. Because I was out of material. I had the I had the con weekend pulled up the weekend it premiered at con, which would have been in ah which would have been in May of 92. Whereas um the it actually opened in the United States in August, August 28th, 1992. Probably not the best time for this movie to be released. It opens at the box office at number eight.
01:13:37
Speaker
Well, wasn't this, ah did this release simultaneously in Europe? Because this was like a Studio Canal thing, right? Wasn't it? It opened in... It opened in France in July. So like a month and a half beforehand, it opens in France, July 3rd.
01:13:55
Speaker
Right. So it premieres at Cannes in May, opens in France in early July, premieres in the US in late August. August twenty eight it opens to one point eight million domestic On its way to a total domestic box office haul of $4.2 million, it doesn't even 50,000, just of 50,000 in the international office for total of 4.209 worldwide.
01:14:20
Speaker
thousand just shy of fifty thousand in the international box office for a total of four point two zero nine worldwide So not – and that's on a $10 million to $12 million budget. so I was going to say if were to guess the budget, there's no way it's below $10 million and there's no way it's above $15 million was going to be my guess there.
01:14:44
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According to Wikipedia, it's about $10 million to $12 million for the budget. It earns a fraction of that. It gets – yeah, it gets like – just just like just Just over 4 million worldwide.
01:14:58
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um But opening this weekend is a little film starring um David Lynch's star of Wild at Heart, Nicolas Cage, a little movie called Honeymoon in Vegas.
01:15:11
Speaker
Oh, wow. Yeah. Opening new this week. That's that drunk movie about being drunk. Nope, that's leave that's Leaving Las Vegas. It's the other Nicolas Cage Vegas movie.
01:15:23
Speaker
This is the one where he's married to Sarah Jessica Parker and James Caan wins her in a poker Oh, that's the same thing. Yes. No. That's not the same thing. Very different movie. I have forgot. Sorry, Steven.
01:15:36
Speaker
No, you're okay. um In its fourth weekend, dropping down from number one is the future Oscar winner for 1992, Clint Eastwood's Unforgiven.
01:15:46
Speaker
Oh, we love that movie. It's good. Have you seen love that movie. Yeah, we did a whole fucking episode on it, Stephen. No, we didn't. Are you sure? yeah Or do we just bring it up all the time?
01:15:59
Speaker
I don't even think that. No, dude, because it's always our example when we're like, this is like how the Unforgiven put a a nail in the coffin of the traditional Western.
01:16:11
Speaker
Okay, we do invoke it in that context, yes. That's what I'm saying. We're talking about it all the time. but are you sure we didn't do an episode? I'm 100% sure we've not done it. We have not done, I think, any Clint Eastwood directed films. I don't think any.
01:16:23
Speaker
Is that going to have to be a straight up? Or can we finagle that into the format? There's no way it gives it fits in the format. and Everyone dies at the end of that movie. I would love to talk to you about The Unforgiven.
01:16:35
Speaker
Unforgiven's good. i like Unforgiven. Oh my god, it's so good. um In third place, also opening new this week, of the reason why we can't cover Pet Sematary on the podcast, Pet Sematary 2.
01:16:48
Speaker
Oh, with Clancy Brown and Eddie Furlong, and it is batshit nuts in the best way. Go see Pet Sematary 2, the original. I haven't seen the remake. There was a remake sequel, too.
01:17:02
Speaker
Also had nothing to do with it,
Film Discussions and Box Office Rankings
01:17:04
Speaker
just like the... Pet Sematary Bloodlines, I believe, is what that one was called. I own it, but I've never seen it. I own it digitally. I've never fucking watched it. I'm afraid to...
01:17:14
Speaker
Speaking of batshit crazy in fourth place down from number two, the week before in its third weekend, a little movie called single white female. Oh my.
01:17:26
Speaker
That was a big deal in those days. Yeah, it was. Uh, in its, in its three weeks and release, it's earned $29 million dollars in fourth place. Bobby Z in the box office, uh, down from number four in its fifth weekend, death becomes her. Hey, yeah.
01:17:42
Speaker
Also Bruce Willis, right? Yep. Another Bruce Willis joint. um Meryl Streep and Goldie Hawn. Yeah, dude. And David Lynch's ex-wife Isabella Rossellini. Hey.
01:17:56
Speaker
Bring inert it in full circle. all ties back together. ah In sixth place, Rapid Fire. i don't know this movie. It's in its second week down from number three.
01:18:09
Speaker
In seventh place, A League. Is it? Oh. Steven, it might be a good time to once again bring up the fact that I used to live in the town where they filmed the majority of A League of Their Own, which is the movie you were about to mention.
01:18:23
Speaker
I was. ah No, a Rapid Fire is a Brandon Lee film. Oh. Okay. Brandon Lee, Powers Booth, Richard Schiff?
01:18:34
Speaker
Yeah. Fucking love that. Yeah, put that on the list, would you? Yeah. and Okay. um But yes, A League of Their Own is in seventh place and it's ah ninth weekend. It's earned almost $100 million dollars and it's nine weeks in the box office, 97.
01:18:51
Speaker
and there's no If there's one thing I learned from that movie, it's that there is no crying in baseball. None, and it's zero tolerance, too. It doesn't matter the context. you You do not cry when you're playing baseball. Other sports, maybe.
01:19:07
Speaker
Baseball? Fuck no. Straight to maybe. Get out of town. In eighth place, Twin Peaks, Fire Walk With Me. That's the movie we were talking about. That's the movie we just talked about.
01:19:20
Speaker
In ninth place, down from seven the week before in its fourth weekend, a little movie called Three Ninjas. Oh, I used to love that movie when I was a kid, and then I tried to watch it like in my 20s, and I was like, nope.
01:19:34
Speaker
One of these days, we're going to cover Surf Ninjas, which was my favorite of the ninjas movies. It's on the list, man.
01:19:43
Speaker
In 10th place, a great film with an even better sequel, Sister Act. Oh, yeah. Lauryn Hill's in the sequel. Fuck. direct The great Bill Duke. Yes. Yes.
01:19:57
Speaker
Fucking love Bill Duke. That man. What's up? And I'm just going to read the last three because ah fuck it. In 11th place, ah future episode of this podcast, Freddy is FRO7.
01:20:09
Speaker
Which is a Miramax animated film. That's opening new this week. I have never heard of that. What is this? It's called Freddy as FR07. um it's I believe it's an animated kids film.
01:20:24
Speaker
um Hand-drawn animation with the James Earl Jones, Jonathan Price, Nigel Hawthorne, Ben Kingsley all playing voices. Steven, I don't have a lot of blind spots.
01:20:36
Speaker
Even if I just know the title of something, I don't have a lot of blind spots, but this is this is intriguing. I don't want to spend too much time on it, though, because it's already past my bedtime, but... Jenny Aguder is in that. um Is it streaming? Brian Blessed.
01:20:52
Speaker
Fuck.
01:20:55
Speaker
Ugh. Can't believe i have to watch this now. ah Yeah, we'll get to it. We'll get there one day. Billy Whitelaw? Yeah, yeah.
01:21:05
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um But yeah, we'll watch it one of these days. And then um ah in 12th place, future Academy Award nominee Howard Zend. And finally in 13th, down from 20 up from 20 the week before. oh wow. And it's fifth week of release.
01:21:21
Speaker
See our previous episode of this podcast on Buffy the Vampire. Just trying so hard to claw its way up there, but it never never quite made it. It went up, but and that's cool.
01:21:34
Speaker
like That's respectable. like You start at 20 and you get to 15. There's not a lot, but there's some word of mouth going on there. You know what I mean? People are talking. Don't know what they're saying, but they're talking.
01:21:48
Speaker
They didn't make money off of it, but they should have been proud that you know there was some positive word of mouth, I guess is what I'm saying.
Ratings and Personal Opinions on 'Fire Walk With Me'
01:21:54
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right true sure Not the suits, but the artists. Brian, the Tomatometer score for Twin Peaks Fire Walk With Me is a 65%. The critics consensus for better or worse, Twin Peaks Fire Walk With Me is every bit as strange and twisted as you'd expect from David Lynch.
01:22:11
Speaker
That feels a bit reductive, but OK. Yeah.
01:22:17
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Yeah. dude yeah The Metascore is a 45 based on mixture average reviews from 29 critics. Finally, Tucker, we have the Letterboxd score. Would you care to take a stab at what the Letterboxd score might be?
01:22:36
Speaker
Letterboxd score is out of five, correct? Correct. I want to make a site that's like completely outside of the format where it's like ah seven stars. You have to rate a movie out of seven stars just to kind of throw a wrench in, you know, because like one, like five stars, 10 stars, you can easily convert that.
01:22:59
Speaker
If you do a seven star system, that's when it starts getting confusing. And that's all I want to do is confuse people. But I think on Letterboxd, This is going to be something that people like.
01:23:11
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And even when they write jokey meme reviews about it, it's still going to be positive. So I think this is going to be between... think this is the highest that I've ever guessed on Letterboxd.
01:23:25
Speaker
Oh, I don't know. I'm starting to regret it now. of Nope, I'm going with it. 4.2... Between 4.2 and 4.7. between a four point two and four point seven
01:23:36
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Tucker, the score on Letterboxd is a 4.3. point
01:23:44
Speaker
Yes. Yes. You did it. You straight up did it. That was ah that was ah a risk. That was a... Because I've never gone that high on Letterboxd. paid off. It paid off. There's many jokes. Even the good movies, there's so many meme reviews that give it like one star. But like everybody's got to respect this, I feel like.
01:24:06
Speaker
Even the joke reviews are still giving it like four or five stars. Absolutely. um So, Tucker, i that begs the question now. Out of five stars, how many are you giving to Twin Peaks Fire Walk With Me?
01:24:21
Speaker
This right now is a three star movie because even, even in the right context, which I feel like for me, the best context is out of context. Sure. um It's still, there's still a lot of stuff that I just don't really care to see or engage with.
01:24:41
Speaker
So as much as I think this is a brilliant film and as much as I think Lynch is a brilliant filmmaker, there are some parts that are just not for me. So it has to be about. Three stars is about as much as I can enjoy it, I think.
01:24:54
Speaker
That's fair. That's fair. It's pretty good. It is. I still had a good time. There were times where i was like, oh, come on, man. But also, I stayed with it and I enjoyed it. Yeah. it's it's better than ah It's better than half. So, yeah, you're you're over the hump.
01:25:09
Speaker
you' We finally got you into good territory, which I appreciate. Yes, I also appreciate that. for me, it's a 4.5, both just because of how brilliant the filmmaking is, just because of how much I love Twin Peaks. Like, it all kind of marries together ah to kind of form this near-perfect thing.
01:25:29
Speaker
um Like, it's not a five-star movie quite, But it's really fucking close. Like it's it's it's as close as I can give it on Letterboxd without hitting it Like so four point five for me.
01:25:43
Speaker
That gives us a three point seven five star average between the two of us. um Fucking love Twin Peaks. Yeah. Like hell yeah. um Oh, can I also tell my, one of my favorite jokes, like this movie is also very funny.
01:25:58
Speaker
One of my favorite jokes. It's like the first line of the movie is, is David Lynch is Gordon Cole picking up the phone and saying, get me chest, check Desmond, check Desmond in Portland, Oregon.
01:26:08
Speaker
And then you just cut to a scene of like a, like a bunch of FBI agents arresting a bunch of prostitutes outside of a school bus. Well, all the children are like leaning against the windows and g screaming screaming, Because they're like, they've got their guns pointed at them. There's like, there's some bad gals on there, but there's like some, why are there so many adult women in prostitute clothing on a school bus? I give me, that that's what I want out of the series.
01:26:37
Speaker
That's why it's so fucking funny is because of the just sheer incongruity of the thing. Just give me the series where it's Chris Isaac Kiefer Sutherland, but also at some point in the series, give me the the prologue to that.
01:26:53
Speaker
But again, i feel like that's part of what it is because there's so many moments. Like there were moments where I was just tackling. I was laughing so hard because the things I was seeing were so funny. And like just it's the incongruity of the fact that there are children and prostitutes and the children like and and again, it's it's it's about eliciting the reaction.
01:27:14
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Like David Lynch is all about the reaction. Like, so you just, these children just screaming bloody murder. And then there's just these women in like street clothing ah for lack of a better term, just being arrested by, by four FBI agents.
01:27:28
Speaker
One of whom has like just a gun. They're all dressed exactly the same. They've got the, the trench coats and the suits. And one of them literally just has his gun pointed. Like everyone else is standing like stock still.
01:27:40
Speaker
And Chris Isaacs as chet Chet Desmond is the only one moving. It's so good. I like how little respect he has for sleeping. Because I don't respect it either. There you go. If I could get away with not sleeping, I wouldn't.
01:27:58
Speaker
Oh, I need to sleep. No, I need to, and that's the problem. And it does feel great to have a good sleep, to go to bed when you're tired, you know, to be able to, you wake up in the middle of the night and realize, oh shit, I can go right back to bed.
01:28:12
Speaker
Fantastic feeling. But I wish I didn't need that. Sure. I wish that I could just power right through.
01:28:22
Speaker
don't know how we got onto that, but I'm glad we discussed it, Steven. feel like I've shown you a piece of me. That was otherwise hidden.
01:28:34
Speaker
Speaking of pieces of us, this has been season five finale of the Disenfranchise podcast on Twin Peaks, Colon, Fire, Walk With Me from 1992, directed by David Lynch.
Podcast Promotion and Listener Engagement
01:28:47
Speaker
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01:29:05
Speaker
Tucker and I do tend to respond to comments left on those episodes for $5 a month. You can get access to our, uh, not just the back catalog, but, uh, all of our, uh, behind the paywall stuff, disenfranchised, unenfranchised, disenfranchised at the movies. You can get all of it there for a low, low monthly price of five bucks a month.
01:29:27
Speaker
Um, and we sure would appreciate it. If you did be a whole lot cooler, if you did, um They're at patreon.com slash disenfranchpod. You can find us on Blue Sky, Letterboxd, and YouTube at disenfranchpod. Shoot us an email, disenfranchpod at gmail.com. Let us know how we're doing. Let us know what episode, what movies you'd like to see us cover, provided they fit the format. We are Blue Sky.
01:29:51
Speaker
bored to do so. And also, while you're on the internet, ah swing on over to Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts. Leave us a nice, juicy five-star rating and review, please. And thank you. It goes a long way to helping us find more listeners like yourselves, and we think you're pretty cool.
01:30:06
Speaker
So more people like you would also be pretty cool. um I'm your host, Stephen Foxworthy. You can find me on socials on Blue Sky and Letterboxd at Chewy Walrus.
01:30:18
Speaker
Don't find our missing co-host, Brett Wright. He doesn't want you to. He's fine being in the red room all by his lonesome. and Tucker, where can we find you on socials these days?
01:30:29
Speaker
On Instagram and YouTube, you can find me at Ice909. That's I-C-E-N-I-N-E. The number zero and the number nine.
01:30:40
Speaker
Also, TuckMugs. Hey, that was a recent TuckMugs post, Steven. Did you see this? Have you heard about this? did. Have you seen this? I put my big fat like on it. What a fantastic post by TuckMugs.
01:30:54
Speaker
Boy, really? Yeah, if you're not subscribed to TuckMugs, subscribe to TuckMugs. yeah if you If you've heard this show before, you know you know it's an important thing.
01:31:06
Speaker
It really means something. It does. It means mugs on Instagram. And mugs is tight. Mugs is tight. longs is tight I also want to take a second to plug the fact that um our good friends over at the Pod and the Pendulum are getting ready to celebrate their three hundredth episode.
01:31:29
Speaker
Oh, I was just on that. I don't know yet. Can I, it has it today or yesterday? I think. Yeah, you can, you can absolutely listen. ah Tucker is on, is on discussing an episode that we have already covered on this podcast, the 1990 night of the living dead remake.
01:31:48
Speaker
There it is. There it is. Tucker is on that episode with ah Ari and Mike, our past and future guests of this podcast. We love them dearly.
01:31:59
Speaker
I think it's a really good episode, too. Like we um we all had a lot of things to say about it and we agreed a lot, but we our takes were all pretty unique. And it was it was an interesting conversation. I think it's a pretty entertaining conversation as well.
01:32:15
Speaker
Yeah. But as, as of the release of this episode, next, this this upcoming weekend, we will be recording the 300th episode. I will be on that episode. um We're going to be ranking our top 25 horror films in the last 25 years. So ah buckle up buttercup. Cause it's, it's the, i'm I'm the one compiling the data and collating the data on that. And it's,
01:32:41
Speaker
looking like a pretty interesting list. It's going to be a really fun conversation. You're going to want to be a part of that. So check that out. And also while I'm here, you might as well swing on over to check out Wells university, our episode on marching song, the Orson's first play ah just dropped. If you heard it before, no, you didn't.
01:33:00
Speaker
um But that episode has just,
01:33:04
Speaker
By the time this comes out, there's a whole other episode after that, Stephen. I'm about to put one out right now as it comes No, that's that's that's the episode that we're talking about. Marching Song, episode nine. Oh, no. it Episode nine is Everybody Shakespeare.
01:33:16
Speaker
i was going to say, don't fuck with me, Stephen. Don't make me do this whole thing over again. No, episode nine is Everybody Shakespeare. Sorry. I don't have time to edit a whole other ass episode. Orson's the book that Orson wrote with Roger Hill.
01:33:29
Speaker
Um, we're we're in hope. And I talk about, ah three Shakespeare plays, uh, that we have varying degrees of familiarity with. Um, but that, that has dropped its past weekend and our tenth episode features our very first guest, uh, past and future guests of this podcast, Samuel Dumas, who we have previously invoked.
01:33:48
Speaker
Um, it's going to be a good time. And, ah yeah, that is, uh, that's coming up. It's going to be a great, great episode it actually is a great episode we've already recorded it and it's fun fantastic so um yeah check out wells university check out the pod and the pendulum and uh yeah i think that's it that's all we got that's it that's all of it yeah All right. So thank you again for ah being, for, for allowing us to get this far. Cause believe me, if you guys weren't listening, we probably wouldn't keep doing this.
01:34:22
Speaker
um So thank you for listening. Thank you for making disenfranchised what it is. We promise we're going to keep doing this until you guys tell us to stop. Yeah. Or until it stops being fun, whichever comes first.
01:34:34
Speaker
But i I don't know, Steven, you were just saying like, we wouldn't do it if people didn't listen, but like, If we didn't do the podcast, it's not like I would call you every week.
01:34:46
Speaker
That's true. mean, we still text. We still text a lot. Yeah, that's true. But we're obligated to show up. And I think that's really cool to like that. We've sort of like we have that accountability. Our friendship has a certain accountability, Steven.
Reflecting on Podcast Journey and Future Plans
01:35:01
Speaker
It does. And it's based on this podcast. And I'm fine with that. I am also. fact I'm elated. I'm fucking elated.
01:35:11
Speaker
i Tucker, thank you for being a part of this podcast with me. Thank you for all that you contribute to it. I don't thank you enough. And so I'm thanking you now and publicly. um if you had not come on when you did, I doubt we, this, this thing would, so would have made it as far as it has. So, yeah.
01:35:30
Speaker
my thanks yeah don't yeah i don't think i don't think it would no it definitely would not schedules just like so as soon as i joined the schedule just abruptly changed yeah pretty much yeah to where there's like it was like if tucker hadn't joined the podcast would have ended at the beginning of 2023 feel like we're really lucky when we have bread on and i cherish it when he i love no i love like there's something about brett being on that like just kind of recaptures the old magic it's just unfortunately our schedules and his schedules rarely line up these days it's unfortunate but hey the gang yeah sometimes hey a couple months ago we had two brett episodes in a row so you never know you never know
01:36:15
Speaker
I even scheduled two back-to-back theme months that were Brett-centric to try to get him on as much as fucking possible. Yeah, that's how it happened. Yeah. Yeah. So there it is. i we We do what we got to do to try to make get that man on. But...
01:36:29
Speaker
um for It's been five years and honestly, it's been it's been a great five years. And i ah the fact that we've made it this far, that in a few weeks we're going to be celebrating our 250th episode of this podcast is – That is soon.
01:36:46
Speaker
That's kind of insane to me. So it's it I'm very excited for that when that happens. um But yeah, we'll I'll go ahead and just quit being sappy and cut it off now.
01:36:57
Speaker
um This has been the season five finale of the Disenfranchised Podcast. I continue to be your host, Stephen Foxworthy, for the absent Brett Wright and the ever-present Tucker. Until next time, ah Tucker, don't forget you need to distribute Wells U tonight.
01:37:14
Speaker
Oh, shit. Yeah. Fuck. Okay.
01:37:19
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And the love theme.
01:37:23
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