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“This is prom. Let’s all just be nice and forget the past.”
Welcome to our sixth annual Spooky-thon! This year, we’re covering 2000s era horror remakes, starting with this nothing-burger of a movie that somehow stars Idris Elba and James Ransone! We also go deep on Chris Columbus’s filmography, the other Norman McCormick horror remake, and the definition of the word ‘wassail’. Don’t miss it!
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Introduction to the Disenfranchised Podcast
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for you. so Go, go, go, go, go. So we might as well just start this motherfucker. That's right. It's the disenfranchised podcast. That podcast all about those franchises of one, those films that fancy themselves full-fledged franchises before falling flat on their face after the first film.
00:00:36
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And it is time once again... one of our longest running tradition. In fact, our only tradition that has lasted longer than a month. Um, but I guess two months cause, uh, we did have, uh, the sequel to the, uh, Arnie August Arnie April Arnie.
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Um, so Anyway, it's Spooky-Thon, our longest running theme month, sixth sixth year in a row for those for the Spooky-Thon.
Prom Night Review: A "Turd of a Movie"
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And this month we are covering 2000s era horror remakes, starting with a real, real turd of a movie. Just a piece shit.
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Yeah, I'm your host, Stephen Foxworthy. ah That other voice you heard belongs to my perennial co-host, Tucker. How we doing, Tucker? Hello, Steven. I'm doing pretty well.
00:01:28
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all things considered. i don't I don't have to watch this movie ever again. You really don't. There's nothing forcing you to do it ever again. Unless you just decide to do an entire run of this franchise and decide to end on a nothing burger, in which case you could watch this again.
00:01:43
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Look, spoilers. I saw the original when I was just getting into horror and I didn't really give a shit about it. It's fine. It's better this. It doesn't, I don't think it deserves the credit it gets, but it's not a bad film.
00:01:56
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I just don't care about it. And then when this came out, I saw the trailer and the cover, the poster. Like what?
00:02:08
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The one poster for this movie. Ugh. I don't know. it just seemed kind of in my mind doomed from the start. I don't mean to jump ahead, but it's just so it's so aggressively bad.
00:02:23
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It is. It is, in fact, aggressively, aggressively
Horror Movies and Pandemic Viewing Habits
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bad. We are, of course, talking about the 2008 slasher film Prom Night, based on the 1980 slasher of the same name, ah directed by Nelson McCormick, written by J.S. Cardoni, and starring Brittany Snow, Scott Porter, Jessica Stroop, Stroop?
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Stroop? know. Dana Davis, Collins, the the wonderfully named Collins Penney. ah Kelly Blatz, the great James Ransone, Kellen Lutz, Mary Mara, Ming-Na Wen, Jonathan Schaich, the great, what is he doing here, Idris Elba, Jessalyn Gilsig, Lyndon Ashby.
00:03:09
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What a cast. Tucker, I think we've already let the cat out of the bag as how we feel on this one, but what a picture. Stephen, I'd like to first apologize to our audience for going on such a tirade without any context.
00:03:26
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like We editorialized a lot. Yeah. Like, you looked at the title of the episode, so you obviously know. But look, I had to like i have to smoke a lot of weed to get through this movie.
00:03:38
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Fortunately, you were just in Illinois yesterday. Now, normally, normally on a standard recording of the podcast, um i will I will not be inebriated when we start.
00:03:51
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But then I will slowly become more and more inebriated as the recording goes on. Which is why the shows get aggressive progressively more unhinged as the episodes wear on. ah Which is something I love.
00:04:02
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But... ah I have to warn you. I'm man. I had to smoke a lot of weed to get through this movie. So I don't doubt it. I may fuck up a bit.
00:04:13
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That's fine. I may fuck up a bit. We're used to that. Yeah. Well, and of course, Brett is currently chaperoning a high school homecoming, which is weird because he doesn't have any children.
00:04:25
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um But Brett, we we wish you the best of luck. Come back as soon as you're able. Yeah. Yeah, we watched motherfucking
Critique of Prom Night Remake
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prom night. um And oh boy. Oh boy. i I've seen only, other than this, I've only seen the original prom night. And that I didn't, I watched as one of my kind of...
00:04:46
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um one One of the movies I watched during October during 2020 when I watched 62 horror movies in 31 days. um I had my initial 31 movies that I had planned to watch and then I just watched an extra 31 because what the fuck else was I going do? Because, ah Stephen, you could just do that back then. I could. Because what the fuck else were you doing?
00:05:09
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you're just Exactly. got you got your You got your COVID unemployment. Right. And you're just chilling and there's nothing to like, why not? It just seems like such a wild concept now for me to be like, yeah, I'm just going to watch two movies every day for an entire month.
00:05:25
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Yeah. But back then you could do that shit.
Actors' Careers and Performances
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You absolutely could. It was fantastic. mean, it was horrible, it was fantastic. Yeah. In certain ways, it provided a lot of freedom. And in certain ways, it provided a lot of restrictions.
00:05:38
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And in certain ways, we as a society have never truly recovered from that awful year. Nor will we ever. Nor will we ever. Calling it. it's twenty twice especially Especially not with the dictator in chief in the White House. But yeah.
00:05:54
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um But yeah, so I've seen the original and honestly, I didn't dislike it, but it wasn't also anything to write home about. Like I wasn't champing at the bit to watch more prom night movies.
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And I knew I was going to cover this one for the podcast one day. so it was just kind of something that I was just like not in a hurry to get to. And it's not really a movie that unless it really clicks with you, I guess, which it does for some people, I guess. But unless it really clicks with you, there's really no reason to watch it ever again.
00:06:26
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It was cool. It was fine. It's fine. And I still remember it. Like, I didn't instantly forget it. Like, I do something like I will this movie. Like I wanted to do with this movie. Yeah. I watched this don't even know what happened in this.
00:06:38
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I watched this. I just got done with this like five minutes ago, Steve. I know. I know. I still don't know we stole what happened. And we started recording six minutes ago. That's the weird thing is you were watching it as we started recording. Isn't that wild?
00:06:50
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It's so wild. um No, this. Yeah, I can't say that there's a um there's stuff in here that I do want to talk about or at least around like we've got some some Like horror, like I don't want to say icons, but definitely some some people who have gone on to do better horror than this movie, like Brittany Snow, who was in X, Ty West's X, which
Director Ty West's Filmography
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I think is a great movie. One of my top 25 horror movies in the last 25 years for sure.
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um You've got James Ransone, who is great in everything, but I especially love him in another Ty West film, In the Valley of Violence, which he's amazing in. And he's also really good in It Chapter 2 as grown-up Eddie Kasparak.
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like Oh, yeah. Yeah. he's He's like a baby here compared to those other films. but like That's the other thing I know that dude from. Yeah. That's ah that's kind of that was my partner's way in for this movie. i was like, you know who that is, right? And she's like, you know, who is that? I was like, that's that's grown up Eddie Kasparak. And she looks at him and she goes, oh, yeah, it is. Right. I'm seeing it.
00:07:51
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Yeah. And then after we were done with this movie, she's like, OK, now I want to watch it. And I was like, OK, we'll put on it. That's fine. And now now that you say that, I know I know him from other things, too. Yeah, he's he's a really – let's go down a James Ransom rabbit hole. Let's please go down a James Ransom. Because i I think he's also in – he's in Sinister, the first Sinister. He's the cop in Sinister. He's the cop. Cop what's his nuts or whatever. What's his name?
00:08:17
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. but What's they call him? What's his name? Officer so-and-so. literal Yeah, his literal character name is Deputy. Yeah. And he's also – and in Sinister 2, he's credited as ex-deputy so-and-so.
00:08:31
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Well, yeah, and that's the thing. Through two films, though, the second one sucks and does not exist to me. I love the original Sinister. The original Sinister, I will say, the scariest movie I've ever seen.
00:08:41
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Like, that movie it freaked me the fuck out. Dude, yes. Because here's the thing. They did everything right, and they still got got. That's the fucked up thing about Sinister to me. And it's also the one instance.
00:08:54
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It's that one instance of that, like, final moment jump scare that legitimately gets me. like yeah That is a trope I have gone on record as absolutely hating. I talked about it in our Krampus episode.
00:09:07
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I will talk about it in our anna in the Apocalypse episode. like fucking hate that trope, but the one in Sinister fucking got me. like That movie freaked me the fuck. And it's a brilliant ah brilliant use of Vincent D'Onofrio in a very small, literally phoning in his entire appearance in that film.
00:09:27
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But he is so fucking good in it. Like, it oh God, Sinister is a great film that I don't ever want to watch again, but should probably watch again. Don't watch the sequel. um But something I will say, I do love the consistency of in both films.
00:09:42
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The deputy's name is never revealed. No, not once. He is consistently deputy so-and-so. And again, I love him. i love him in in In a Valley of Violence, the the Thai West Western, which is, i will state for the record, objectively, my favorite Thai West film.
00:09:59
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It's up there for me, but it's no House of the Devil. see and i See, House of the Devil is kind of like middle of the road to I West for me, which I know is kind of um really anathema.
00:10:12
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Yeah. But my my top three with a bullet, my top three in a Valley of Violence, The Sacrament and X. Those are my three. And ah Sacrament also one of my top 25 horror films of the last
Idris Elba: From The Wire to Hollywood
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25 years. That movie fucking rules. And I love it so much.
00:10:30
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For me, it's the Sacrament and then House the Devil and then Innkeepers. Oh, you love Innkeepers. I love that early Ty West. It's so spooky. And he's so good at doing a period piece. Like not, not only does do like the characters and the settings are appropriate, but like the type of film stock he uses, the lenses he uses, the way he shoots it, it, it really feels like you're there kind of in a weird way.
00:10:58
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And that's why like both of those movies in keepers. And I mean, and to a certain extent X and Pearl, but I feel like those are more were heightened. Like they're not as grounded. Correct. But they're very still very much of their time. Like those are period pieces that he films like the, and Maxine he
Guy Ritchie Films and Elba's Roles
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does as well. Like he films them as though like Maxine is just like a Michael Mann movie, like from that era, just kind of made as a horror film. And it's really, really good. Yep.
00:11:29
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um But he's also in Spike Lee's Inside Man, also Spike Lee's Old Boy, and Spike Lee's Red Hook Summer. He's ah he's a Spike Lee guy as well. Like James Ransone, fucking great actor. And he's also in 12 episodes of The Wire, also starring Idris Elba.
00:11:47
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Idris Elba, yeah. He is in one of, I think, the most underrated seasons of The Wire, ah which is season Is season two? Season two. I think like season two is as well.
00:11:58
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Most people fucking hate season two. i think it is really solid. i get where they're coming from, but I don't think that enters into it at all. And it's still a really good season. And it kind of is.
00:12:12
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It's nice when you come back to the third season because you've had some time away from sort of the a story. Right. And so you're kind of glad it's back instead of tired that it's still there.
00:12:23
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Yeah. Yeah. And then season four is easily the best season the wire. I still haven't seen season four. I've been spreading this shit out over years. I guess. No, get it get back into the wire, Tucker, because holy shit.
00:12:36
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um No, I love season four. I tried to do the first two seasons together, and I... I just felt like I really needed some, I watched like the first episode of the second season and i was like, no, I'm not, I'm not ready for this yet. Like I still need to kind of. Season two is a big pivot away from season one for sure.
00:12:58
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And so I waited probably two years. Okay. And then watch season two. And then I have the whole series on DVD back on that shelf back there. Probably three years to watch season three.
00:13:11
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And that was two years ago. Season three, that's that is Idris Elba's big season of The Wire. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. And we – I fucking love Idris Elba. That guy is great.
00:13:24
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Like the two – He's in this movie. He is. you believe that? What the fuck is he doing in this movie is my question. Nobody knows. Like I have the same question about Idris Elba that I have about most Benicio Del Toro performances, which is what the fuck are you doing in this?
00:13:40
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Like you're Benicio del Toro. Like, d is this really something you have to do right now? But he shows up. He does it. And I guess more power to him, I suppose. But yeah, like.
00:13:52
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I, I, I, yeah, I, you just opened this movie. I'm like ah James Ransone. Like he's early enough in his career. Like I get why he's here, but he just elbow was in like solid seasons of the wire.
00:14:03
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Oh, another reason to get into the wire season for Tucker, I will say, oh boy, okay. You get, you get baby Michael B. Jordan in that season. Wait, he was in the first season. and Spoilers, if you haven't seen season one of The Wire, um don't listen for a second. um He straight up dies in the first season. How could he be in the fourth season?
00:14:23
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Don't tell me. but Don't tell me. am i Am I wrong? Is he not in season four? No, he, ah like I said before, he there's no way really that he could be in season four because season one, I think, was his last season.
00:14:38
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First and last. Okay. I may, I maybe got that wrong. I can get things wrong, but it's about like, it's, it's about like the school system in, yeah, he's only in the first season. That's my bad.
The Wire and Its Impact
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and That's my bad.
00:14:49
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But um like, and you get the triumphant return of Prez Beluski in season four also. Like, so you get, if you, if you're a Prez fan, like I am, ah then Prez is back in season four, which I love. Yeah, you're right. You're I was way, I was way off on that. Damn. I, I feel foolish is what I feel right now.
00:15:08
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That's okay. But yeah, no. um we We do love Michael B. Jordan, though. ah but let's let's let's go down let's go down the Idris Elba rabbit hole now, now that we're now that we're on The Wire.
00:15:21
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We might as well, because this is two years after Elba finishes his run on The Wire. um He's on the wire for the first three seasons.
00:15:32
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And then after that, he goes... I mean, it's it's a... I was telling you in text earlier, this is kind of a weird period for Idris Elba.
00:15:43
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Like, Stringer Bell kind of... makes his career up to that point and so he after that he's kind of all over the place um in um in 2007 he's in a little movie called 28 weeks later uh where he yeah is i was in that in that yeah he's really good in it too um one of my favorite things that he does post the wire he gets to be british Yes, which doesn't happen very often.
00:16:13
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One of my favorite things he does, he doesn't get to until 2010, but he's in a British show. You know this? You heard about this? You've seen this? Called Luther. I have, yeah, it's, I've, I've heard about it, but it just didn't seem like something that I would be into, but like, I'm glad it's successful. I like it.
00:16:31
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You should check out. So he's two years away from Luther in, when he does this movie. So he's like in between his two big shows. He's in American gangster in 2007, something called this Christmas also in 2007. Then he does this rock and roll guy, Richie's rock and roll a and the human contract in 2008. Oh man.
00:16:52
Speaker
Why? I wish Idris Elba had been in earlier films by him because I know. Well, Guy Ritchie's got two really solid films and it's kind of, it's his first two really yeah lock stock and snatch really. And that's it Yeah.
John Hughes and Chris Columbus's Legacy
00:17:08
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It's all downhill from there.
00:17:10
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Like after that, after that, I think he's got his Madonna movie and then he does, um he does revolver, which is awful. Yeah.
00:17:21
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And then it's rock and roll, which everyone was like, oh that's he's back. And I started watching rock and roll. I'm just like, I could not give two shits about this movie. And it doesn't get much better after that, really.
00:17:33
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um Also in 2010, though, he does. You just Elba, by the way, not Guy Ritchie. You just Elba does a movie that we've covered on this podcast before called.
00:17:44
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me just check my notes here. It's the losers. Go back and watch our, or listen to our previous episode on the losers. ah That movie is pretty. All right. Kind of fun.
00:17:55
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ah Guy Ritchie has okay directed at least two movies that we will cover on this podcast. though At least two. Maybe. No. there' Because there's a third one.
00:18:06
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Or he wrote that one. Did he direct that one too? we I'm thinking we might be able to do a Guy Ritchie theme month, Tucker. I know you're very excited about the prospect of that. I'm excited about the prospect of about half of that.
00:18:20
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ah Because we can do um We can do...
00:18:33
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And Operation Fortune colon Ruse de Guerre. Nope. That's where you fucked up, Steven. Two of those movies need to be Lock, Stock and Snatch. Those, I never intended to have sequels.
00:18:45
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Yeah, but if they had made a bajillion dollars, they would have found a way to make
Chris Columbus's Later Works
00:18:49
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a sequel. I'm sure they would have. You can say that about most movies, though. I know. um it's um It's my, ah what do they call that in the movies?
00:18:58
Speaker
Your loophole? I mean, yeah, it's a loophole, I guess. But I was thinking of something else, but I can't recall what it was. you know, Stephen, it was weird. The other day I read an article um that said, ah and this is news to me, that marijuana can negatively affect...
00:19:17
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ah What was I saying? Your memory. It can negatively affect your memory. I read that the other day. Isn't that wild? that's i never would have thought.
00:19:28
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Now, the real question is how many times have you read that? Oh, no, just the once, man. Yeah.
00:19:38
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Because it feels like you've always you've always perennially just read that the other day. um That's the bit, Steven. um Let's step behind the curtain. That's the bit. I know. whole um And then we get the losers. yeah He's in Thor in 2011. Like he's he's kind of in the process of taking off Prometheus in 2012, which he's fucking great in.
00:20:01
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ah Pacific Rim in 2013. Thor the Dark World also in 2013. Also in 2013. Good year for Idris Elba. Mandela Long Walk to Freedom where he plays Nelson Mandela. Like he's, he's got some, yeah.
00:20:15
Speaker
I can't see him as Nelson Mandela. I mean, it's Nelson. I mean, Nelson Mandela action hero. It's called Mandela long walk to freedom. Okay. Okay.
00:20:28
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But yeah, he plays, ah he plays young Nelson Mandela versus Invictus. We're in um what's his face. Morgan Freeman plays old Nelson Mandela. And they fight gets Oscar nominated for that shit.
00:20:41
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For fistfights? In Mandela Long Walk to Freedom, I doubt it. Oh. You said it was an action movie. No, i said... said those words, Steven. I said action hero, meant Nelson Mandela, but just as it's because Idris Elba is jacked as shit.
00:20:56
Speaker
You were thinking of Gandhi too. i That's the error. That's what it was. There it is, yeah. more Mr. Passive Resistance. Give me a steak. Medium rare.
Danny Trejo's Diverse Contributions
00:21:07
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Um... Don't you know the duidesimal system? Oh, no, sorry, that's Conan and the Librarian. That's a different guy. That's a different movie, right. He just slices that guy in half. It's fantastic.
00:21:21
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I feel that, though. Sometimes I'm at the library and somebody's on some old bullshit and I'm like, where is Conan the Librarian when I need him? Where is that guy? With that big-ass sword. With that big-ass claymore sword. Please cut this man in half.
00:21:37
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um I also want to talk about the great Ming-Na Wen, because she is a delight, and she's barely in this movie, and frankly... you
00:21:48
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Don't you dare. I would never um never. That is to say, Mulan. um She's in the another Marvel project, the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. show. Future episode of this podcast, Final Fantasy, colon, The Spirits Within. She's Chun-Li.
00:22:04
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She's Chun-Li in Street Fighter. See our previous episode on Street Fighter. You know what? I like that old Street Fighter movie. It's a good bit of fun, but the one thing that always kind of bothered me is so in the vidya games uh chun li wears blue the pretty much a very similar outfit that she does in the movie but why is why is her outfit red in the movie like why even fuck with that why like if i had to guess i'd say because that's the primary color on the chinese flag but that's a guess in the games dough
00:22:36
Speaker
Her outfit has always been and shall remain blue. Well, look, we're going to, we're going to, there's, she's an adult with a favorite cover color. That's just saying. There's apparently another Street Fighter movie that's coming out next year. And when that comes out, we will cover the other Street Fighter movie.
00:22:56
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ah Street Fighter colon The Legend of Chun-Li with. Oh, man. With Kristen Kruik from from the Smallville show, Neil McDonough, Michael Clark Duncan and American Pie's own Chris Klein.
00:23:13
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I would like to say that I think that, uh,
00:23:19
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sorry. Um, I'm just seeing that, uh, this gal was also in that shitty gremlins show. Yep. Good for her. That's fantastic. yeah I'm glad some these's like two people liked that. like you know I didn't even like it. I like gremlins.
00:23:35
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Everything is somebody's favorite thing, and I hope that there's a
Prom Night Actors' Broader Careers
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few people who like that. like They'll make it worth it, but fuck that show. It's not for me. Yeah, not for me either.
00:23:46
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um I know HBO renewed it for a second season before it premiered, and then it premiered, and I don't think they are really moving forward with it at this point. Could be wrong, but I don't think they are. um Well, you've heard the rumor – well, not the rumors, but the kind of news of the Gremlins 3 with your boy, the original writer directing.
00:24:07
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Right. ah Chris Columbus, yeah. her ah Which, I mean – I I'm not a fan of Chris Columbus's more recent film output, honestly. he's just leave it the fuck alone. Like unless you're going to get a fresh voice on it, because as a filmmaker, he's kind of like i'm I'm not saying he's going to die soon, but he's in his twilight years. You know, he's doing what feels easy and and good to him. But don't.
00:24:35
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don't Don't fuck with Gremlins any more than that TV show has. like Let a fresh voice hit that. you know Let me review some of the some of the Chris Columbus films from the past 20 years. he directed He directed two Harry Potter films.
00:24:52
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ah That's coming the of the- Did he direct the third one? No, just the first two. Okay. Well, then the third one is Academy Award winner. um Oh, I just forgot
Remakes and Lack of Originality
00:25:02
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his name. Damn it.
00:25:04
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Coron, Alfonso Coron. Well, I'll tell you, I don't give a fuck about no Harry Potters, but the third one's good. The third one's good. third really, really good. Like, I would watch that again. Tucker, that's the good one is the third Oh, it's so good. That's the good one. couldn't even believe how much I enjoyed that shit.
00:25:23
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um But he directed a Bicentennial Man in 1999. Never forget. never forget
00:25:30
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And then right off of that, he directs two Harry Potter films to 2001's Sorcerer's Stone in two thousand and 2002's Chamber of Secrets. And then using all of his cachet from those two movies in 2005, he directs a little movie called Rent.
00:25:45
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Hey, that's got Daryl from Adventures in Babysitting. Hey, he's the guy. He's the guy who was like, hey, Kevin Spacey is kind of bad. Yeah, Anthony Rapp. That's that guy. a like i like that guy.
00:25:59
Speaker
He's so obnoxious in Adventures in Babysitting. yeah thingss He's also in Star Trek Discovery as well. He's a Star Trek guy. yeah And you know how I feel about Star Trek. It's great. And then he doesn't direct... it After Rent, he doesn't direct another movie for four years. And then he comes back with... so It's okay. don't i really I don't really care for Rent as a show. I understand that it's important and for its time and its place, but like...
00:26:26
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First of all, Chris Columbus, the wrong guy to direct Rent, and then casting the original actors 20 years after they did the show – I'm sorry, 10 years after they did the show.
00:26:37
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The wrong decision. Like – I think my enjoyment of rent came from me having like the lowest expectations I could possibly have. And then the person I used to be very close to was like, well, you watch this movie with me. And I was like, I guess if I have to.
00:26:53
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And i was like, wow, this is 525,600 minutes. Okay. I was like, this does not suck. And I thought I was just going to be wanting to like poke my eyes out the entire time and.
00:27:09
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I had a good time. Maybe I should see the play. Should I see the play, Steven? Maybe. Sure to maybe. Word. Word. In 2009, he directs a little movie called I Love You, Beth Cooper. Okay.
00:27:24
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ah which along with I Love You Man and I Love You Philip Morris is one of three movies that came out in the year 2009 with the title i with I Love You in the title.
00:27:34
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ah which It was a very loving year. It was the year we all said I love you. that yeah yeah ah In 2010, again, trying to recapture the success of the Harry Potter series, he directs Percy Jackson and the Olympians colon The Lightning Thief.
Personal Anecdotes and Humor
00:27:49
Speaker
Oh, that didn't go so well. No, we got one sequel and that was yeah ah They did film in the Parthenon in Nashville, Tennessee, a place I have been with my own physical body.
00:28:01
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And they've got ah some – definitely got some Percy Jackson props on display there for the five people that are going there for the Percy Jackson films. um Then he directs in 2015 the little Adam Sandler film called Pixels.
00:28:16
Speaker
Oh yeah, that did okay. I kind of hated that. I mostly hated that. Josh Gad fucks Q-Bert in that movie. It's just Josh Gad. Josh Gad fucks Q-Bert in that movie. In any film, he's talented, but just his presence annoys me.
00:28:31
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like he's talented but he's just just as presence annoys me I'm right there with you. like I want to give him a chance because I know he's funny. People think he's funny, but I just can't.
00:28:44
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i He's the reason we can't. He's the reason we're not going to be able to cover Spaceballs on this podcast. Well, he's not the only reason, but he do be in that. Like, he's the sole reason, like, this wouldn't have gotten made if Josh Gad hadn't been on board.
00:29:00
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I mean, he's getting, he's the one that pushed the sequel through. Like, he's the one that got the sequel made. So he is the reason, in fact, that we're not able to cover Spaceballs. just being silly. No, I'm being serious. Spaceballs 2 is filming now, and he is the, he was the writer.
00:29:15
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Like, he wrote the treatment that Mel Brooks greenlit. So, yeah. Well, Stephen, having completely gone over um Chris Columbus's filmography. no. no no homemography We have two films left. You already mentioned them.
00:29:30
Speaker
I did not mention The Christmas Chronicles Part 2. Bitch, you did. And I did not mention the Thursday Murder Club. Yeah, that's the first thing you mentioned. And then you went into his filmography and you neglected to mention the thing, the film that no, not Home Alone, not Home Alone 2, not Mrs. Doubtfire, but the film that Chris Columbus will forever be remembered in my heart for.
00:29:56
Speaker
Adventures in Babysitting. It's Adventures in Babysitting. Which is his first feature film that he directed in 1987. I could watch that movie once a day, every day, and never get tired of it.
00:30:12
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Tucker, did you know? Never. He was supposed to direct a little movie called National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation. Oh, word. But he was so annoyed by Chevy Chase, which is the theme of Chevy Chase's career, and that he said i he basically pulled John Hughes aside and said, I can't fucking do this.
00:30:31
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And Hughes said, don't worry, I've got something else for you, and gave him Home Alone. Hey, into it. Like I say, there's ah there are things to praise and things to poo-poo in his filmography as a director, but Adventures in Babysitting...
Prom Night's Surprising Box Office Success
00:30:47
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And it's his first film that makes him a great filmmaker. That film right there. That's the one that solidifies it. I mean, he's got he has had a very impressive career from 1987 till today.
00:31:01
Speaker
It's it's a perfect film, Stephen. i don't know what to tell you. and I kind of want to watch it right now. Maybe you should. i might. Maybe you should. um Also in this movie, Jonathan's Skatech. I'm not sure.
00:31:17
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ah we ah He is the the lead singer of the Oneeders in that thing you do. yes He is also. He looks so different. He's so old.
00:31:31
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Yeah, he's he is our killer in this movie. ah He is also in the day of the dead movie the Day of the Dead movie we did not cover on this podcast during our ah Romero remake series, Day of the Dead Bloodline. He plays the the Bub analog in that film um named Max. And it's bad. It's very bad.
00:31:57
Speaker
A couple of years ago, Stephen, the sci-fi channel tried to make a Day of the Dead TV series.
00:32:05
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And it's out of, okay, out of everything Day of the Dead with the title Day of the Dead that is not the original film. It is by far the worst because it's as bad. of the Dead Bloodline? Because that's real fucking bad.
00:32:21
Speaker
Yes. Okay. Okay. the The show, it's just as bad as Bloodlines and the remake, which I do sort of in a in a silly way enjoy the remake in some parts, even though i also really, really hate it.
00:32:38
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um But the show is just as good as either of those. it said Instead of being an hour and a half long,
00:32:47
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It's several, several hours long. Like 10 episodes. At least. Maybe 12. I don't remember.
TV Series Adaptations of Movies
00:32:54
Speaker
That's the problem with most television shows is that they take a premise that honestly could be a movie and they stretch it out over 10 episodes and it's interminable.
00:33:03
Speaker
It's interminable, sucker. and Normally that doesn't work, but um the first season of From Dusk Till Dawn... Oh, boy. If you haven't seen that, I recommend it. um Robert Rodriguez had his own TV network, El Rey. I don't know if it's still there. I'm sure it's not, but I remember that.
00:33:21
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There were two seasons, and the first season was, I think, 10 or 12 episodes, and it was just a retelling of the film. And they had Robert Patrick in the Harvey Keitel role.
00:33:32
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um The guy who was... um Seth Gekko was doing enough of a George Clooney impression, but also enough of his own thing to make it both familiar and fresh and fleshing out all those characters and the beats of that story that we missed in an hour and a half.
00:33:53
Speaker
Boy, that was some thrilling television. Season two sucked, though, because they tried to like move on from there and there was nothing to do. Doesn't, uh, the guy that played, uh, Seth Gecko is, uh, he was the, he's the grown up. He's one of the Shazam family in the movie Shazam.
00:34:09
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Yeah. ah You've got Aiza Gonzalez in there, too Love her. um Such a good season of television. Jake Busey? If you love the first season, if you love the first From Dusk Till Dawn movie, I recommend watching the first season of the television show because it's the same thing, only like more, and in a good way, more.
00:34:36
Speaker
It doesn't – Michael Park doesn't come back for it though, does he? He does not, no. That's a bummer. It's a bummer. I do see Don Johnson's in it though. That's kind of fun. You know who is back for it though because what the fuck else is he going to do?
00:34:51
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Danny Trejo. Yeah. Come on. No, look. I love Danny Trejo. I love Danny Trejo.
Slasher Film Tropes Critique
00:34:58
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Danny Trejo is one of those guys who – I think he is maybe the only actor that works more than Samuel Jackson. Yeah.
00:35:06
Speaker
His cookbook is not to be sneezed at. I at first was like, oh, yeah, it's a celebrity making a cookbook. Like, who cares? Whatever. Most of those are like fine. Sure. But my sister has Danny Trejo's cookbook.
00:35:20
Speaker
And there's some really fun stuff in there. He is on an episode of the Muppets, the the most recent Muppets. not the Well, he's he's also on an episode of the most recent Muppet show, Muppet Mayhem.
00:35:34
Speaker
But he's on Muppets Now, which they was kind of like ah the COVID version of the Muppet show where they're all kind of filming in their own houses. ah But he's on an episode with the Swedish chef where they make mole together.
00:35:47
Speaker
ah like chicken mole and like Danny Trejo just like fucking makes chicken mole. And I'm like, I want to make Danny Trejo's chicken mole. Like that's a thing I want to do. I may have to. And I've always wanted to make mole. Like mole is kind of one of those dishes I've never had, but of course always wanted to try.
00:36:03
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Like, ah yeah. um And I also want to rewatch the the film from Dusk Till Dawn also. Like I haven't seen that in a number of years and I think it's time for a rewatch from Dusk Till Dawn.
00:36:14
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I think that would be a fun way to spend an afternoon. I would recommend Steven to check out that first season too, if you can find it. um This just in, like, I feel like I kind of jumped ahead and I didn't mean to, but,
00:36:28
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No surprise I didn't like this movie. ah Guess what other abomination that this director directed, Stephen? the The remake, I always deny its existence. Always. I still maintain it does not exist.
00:36:43
Speaker
There are several of those. You deny the existence of a great many films. But but this is one that we will cover on this podcast. And you... I literally I had it on the list.
00:36:54
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I had it on the list for this month and you denied it. you Nope. I'm sick that week, Steven. You fucking kicked it to the curb. A little movie called The Stepfather.
00:37:05
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Does not exist. it It in fact does exist and we will cover it one day. Terry O'Quinn or nothing. Like get out of my face. terio I mean, there I look, i enjoy um Dylan. It's Dylan Baker, right?
00:37:20
Speaker
Who's Dylan Baker? No, I'm, who I thinking of? Dylan Wall. Nah, I don't like Dylan Walsh as much like Dylan Baker. Nevermind.
Comparing Prom Night with Other Horror Films
00:37:29
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um I was about to say, yeah, I like Dylan Baker. just I like Dylan Baker's great.
00:37:33
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Dylan Baker is in fact great. Dylan Walsh, not as great as Dylan Baker. So have no idea who any his people are. ah You know who Dylan Baker is. Do I? Yeah, you do. ah Dylan Walsh, though, was on Nip Tuck. That's what I know him from. And Nip Tuck was a show I liked for about two seasons, and I got real bad.
00:37:52
Speaker
You did like that show for a minute. For a hot minute, I sure did. Dylan Baker, he's you you know the Sam Raimi Spider-Man films? I know of the Spider-Man, yes.
00:38:02
Speaker
The Spider-Man's. He is the actor that plays ah the the the teacher that would become the lizard. um in those films. Oh, he's straight up Kurt Connors in that bitch? He is Kurt Connors all up in that bitch. In every single one of those. He's one of the few actors that appears in all three of those.
00:38:18
Speaker
Him and Campbell and Tobey Maguire. But it was ah when they actually did The Lizard in Amazing Spider-Man with Andrew Garfield. That's why she finds.
00:38:30
Speaker
is the That's the one that sticks in my mind. I loved how like... In that third Spider-Man movie, they just brought them most of them back as CGI and had them voice their characters.
00:38:43
Speaker
Like, good for them. Like, make that paycheck sitting at home in front of a microphone. Fuck yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, that's pretty much what they did with Jamie Foxx, and that's pretty much what they did with Reishi Fonz for that movie. like those so I don't think those actors were ever on set
Nature of Cinematic Remakes
00:39:00
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in that movie. Yeah.
00:39:01
Speaker
Jamie Foxx was all over that movie. You're thinking um a straight up Sandman. ah see ah t ah to he's Thomas um a see how is Hayden Church.
00:39:12
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There go. Thomas Hayden Church. There it is. C. Thomas Howell is Ponyboy. That's a completely different guy. Very different guy. C. Thomas Howell is Ponyboy and Francis Ford Coppola is The Outsiders.
00:39:24
Speaker
Yes, indeed. Alongside Ralph Macchio and Matt Dillon. Yeah, dude. but ah But yeah, ah like i the killer in this movie is probably one of the most inept slashers in slasher movie history. Just the worst.
00:39:42
Speaker
I mean, pretty much every Letterboxd review that I read for this movie is just, I think I would just like survive because this guy's a dumb motherfucker. Like I, and it like, it feels like this this movie is so formulaic.
00:39:58
Speaker
It's, it's basically just a standard, ah stock standard 80 slasher with like no embellishment whatsoever. And it's like, there's nothing to this movie. It is a nothing burger of a film.
00:40:13
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Steven, uh, I would also like to alert you to the fact that the writer of this film was also the writer on, uh, the previously mentioned non-existent stepfather remake. Yes.
00:40:24
Speaker
Yes, he is. I just can't wait. Wow. I'm really excited now. He is also a writer on a movie. I'm pretty sure we're going to end up covering on this podcast.
00:40:35
Speaker
Um, Maybe we'll, I think, I think we're planning on covering this one. And i think Devon might be on this episode. Get on with it. The Covenant, Rennie Harland's The Covenant. Oh, I have no idea what that is.
00:40:49
Speaker
Or maybe I'm thinking of something else, but yeah. I mean, he did write it, but. it's It's got baby Sebastian Stan in it. So there's that. I guess. I mean, sure.
00:41:01
Speaker
And who's not? Steven, you're right. This movie does suck. I have only one good thing to say about it is there were a couple transitions that I thought were ah very clever um editing transitions.
00:41:15
Speaker
um The one where the therapist was asking her the question and then it turned in into the question that she was being asked in a completely different scene.
Prom Night's Critical Reception
00:41:25
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I thought that was really clever, but outside of that, this...
00:41:28
Speaker
i I have nothing. I have nothing. It's just nothing. This movie is nothing. It is absolutely nothing. There's that such not even like Idris Elba is up in there just like doing his best and I still don't fucking care.
00:41:43
Speaker
i don't care. Prompting me to ask, Idris Elba, what the fuck are you doing in this movie? Making that money, dude. Making that money. I will never begrudge an actor a paycheck, but like, oh my god. This thing is this is this is this movie is painful.
00:41:58
Speaker
It's painful to watch. And then they let him do it, the stepfather. They're like, oh, this... this is something we want to do again. Let's remake another beloved classic and just like shit down its mouth. And another thing, another thing, the worst thing.
00:42:16
Speaker
I will say, because this movie comes out in April, 2008 stepfather comes out the following year in 2009. My guess is he was already working on stepfather before this movie came out a package deal. You say potentially, Stephen, the most frustrating thing about this movie, no matter how shitty, how bad it is, and and how many things are wrong with it, and how little interest I had in any of it, the most disappointing thing is...
00:42:44
Speaker
Is I hate a remake. That's a remake in name only. And that's 100% what this is. This is, there's outside of the fact that there's a slasher and there's a prom.
00:42:56
Speaker
Yep. That's motherfucking it. That's it. Like James Gunn and Zack Snyder are lucky that they made a bomb ass movie. Or else I'd be saying the same about that shit. Because I ain't no Dawn of the Dead.
00:43:08
Speaker
Nope. That's ah just another zombie movie that takes place in the mall. I was going to say, there's a mall. That's about it. No big whoop. Nope. Not even the same kind of Zambies. Saying completely different things. Yeah.
00:43:21
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah,
Conclusion and Listener Engagement
00:43:22
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dude. Totally different beast. Totally different animal. See our previous episode on Dawn of the Dead. um But yeah, ah both, both and and I think this is the case. So both Prom Night and the Stepfather remake, which may or may not exist, it does, ah are Screen Gems movies.
00:43:38
Speaker
So that's probably where, like, he probably went from one to the next and was able to, like, and those are I think, the only two films this director has ever directed. So we will be able to cover his entire filmography on this podcast.
00:43:54
Speaker
Steven, when we, you have to promise me, if I'm going to watch that Stepfather remake, ah then you, you have to watch the original. I think I've already promised you this.
00:44:07
Speaker
You must. I think I've already promised you that. It's so solid, and it's like the definition of like a sleeper, thriller, horror-adjacent movie from the late 80s.
00:44:23
Speaker
It is peak of that. i just have one question for you, Tucker. Sure. Just one question. Who are you here? who Who am I right now?
00:44:37
Speaker
Who are you here? Yeah. Hey, you know what? I even don't mind the sequel because like it still retains a lot of what worked for the first one while using the scream to rules that Randy puts forth.
00:44:53
Speaker
But in the best possible way, it is. I have to like there's no way they weren't thinking of the stepfather to during that Randy speech because it is everything that he describes.
00:45:06
Speaker
How do you feel about stepfather three father's day? Stepfather three is okay. It's, it's not bad. It's entertaining. It's fun, but I don't really lump it in with the other two because convenient.
00:45:25
Speaker
I think the reason that they give for him looking different is just fucking stupid. What did he have plastic surgery or something? Yeah, but...
00:45:39
Speaker
The one time the plastic surgery, I think, works really well in a move or in in any kind of medium... Face-off? Well, okay. Other than face-off. Is the original wait Broadway production of Arsenic and Old Lace, where they cast Boris Karloff as the killer brother, and the joke is that the...
00:46:02
Speaker
his His doctor, who is his plastic surgeon, has cut his face to make him look like Frankenstein because he got drunk and saw the movie and then operated on the guy. So he looks like Frankenstein and they cast Boris Karloff.
00:46:16
Speaker
And the reason that Boris Karloff could not be in the film Arsenic and Old Lace is because he was the hook for the Broadway show. And so the producers would not let him go from the production to make the movie. Spoilers, right? Despite the fact that they let every other member of that cast that wanted to be in the movie be in the movie.
00:46:37
Speaker
And it would have been a great chance for us to finally get Boris Karloff and Peter Lorre in a film together, which would have been fucking amazing. Yup. Yes, indeed.
00:46:48
Speaker
I agree with you, Stephen. But yeah, that is, i get i don't know. What else the fuck do we have to say? Hopefully. This movie sucks. Can it be? It's just real bad. It's a waste of time.
00:46:59
Speaker
There's no there's no reason to watch it the one Like I said, there's one really clever transition, and it's not even worth that. It's not even worth that. I described it to you. You experienced it. We're having a good time. That's It's really, really bad.
00:47:15
Speaker
This movie comes out April 11, 2008. On budget $20 million, it opens to... on a budget of twenty million dollars it opens to
00:47:25
Speaker
Let me check here. It opens to 20. So it makes its budget back in its opening weekend. 20.8 in its opening weekend on its way to 44 domestic.
00:47:37
Speaker
Another 13 international for a total. I mean, that's, I mean, it's more than break even like with your first figure, like its first weekend. I was like, well, yeah, it makes back the budget, but marketing and then yeah, 45 stopped bad for that budget.
00:47:55
Speaker
Not at all. Just name recognition, I guess? Couldn't have been word of mouth. No. Fuck. mean, in the rest of its run, it only just doubles its grows so or it's opening weekend gross. So that's that's a movie that plummets like a stone.
00:48:14
Speaker
And I get that, but some of my favorite movies... did so much less than that. They're opening weekends. And I'm not talking about the ones with limited releases or like whatever, like I'm talking about widely released films that are some of my favorites did way less than that. Like what, who's seeing this and why it drops down to third, uh, in its second weekend makes another 8.7 million. It should have disappeared. It's second weekend.
00:48:44
Speaker
Like it shouldn't even have had a second weekend. I don't hands didn't have a second weekend. Steven, Steven, It was in theater for one week. It's down to six. Son of a bitch.
00:48:54
Speaker
In its fourth weekend, it's at eight. And ido by then it's fifth weekend. It's bottoming out the top 10 by the middle of May.
00:49:05
Speaker
It's number 13. And at that point it's earned its budget. So at six weeks in the box office, it pretty much exits quietly stage left. Now, I'm glad that the people who worked on this film, because I'm sure some of them worked very hard, even though it sucks.
00:49:23
Speaker
I'm glad that they made some money. But at the same time, I'm mad that people wasted their money on this, where I'm sure they could have spent that same money on something just so much better.
00:49:37
Speaker
So much better. Let's talk about what else is in theaters this week. yeah Opening at number one at the box office this week is a little film called Prom Night.
00:49:49
Speaker
yeah that's and yeah some Wait, it was number one? It was number one. Did you already say that? No, I just said that. makes it worse I think I tried to ah kind of maybe brush over that because i I didn't think I could handle it. But now I'm coming to terms with it.
00:50:04
Speaker
At number two at the box office this week, wow you have the Keanu Reeves, Forrest Whitaker, Hugh Laurie, Chris Evans, Naomi Harris film, also starring Cedric the Entertainer, Jay Moore, and Terry Crews in common, ah called Street Kings, a movie I have never actually heard of. never heard of that, but like there's a lot of people in there that that makes me believe Makes me think, how how have I not heard of this?
00:50:30
Speaker
Moving down, we've got like ah Clifton Powell is in this movie. ah Kenneth Choi. We've got some good good people in this movie. like i've I've never even heard of this.
00:50:42
Speaker
What is it called? Street Kings, Tucker. It's called Street Kings, a Fox Searchlight film. I'll it. third place, down from number one the week before, speaking of what a creep Kevin Spacey is, it's the movie 21. 21.
00:50:58
Speaker
Oh, yeah, that was all right. Yeah, I never saw it. didn't care to. I didn't hate it. Probably never will. ah In fourth place, a little movie called Nim's Island. ah What if what if Nim had an island? i don't know what the fuck that is either.
00:51:10
Speaker
um In fifth place, the George Clooney film Leatherheads. You remember that one? No, but it's too bad. The old-timey football movie? Yeah, I get it.
00:51:25
Speaker
It's just too bad that he wasn't in um Texas Chainsaw Next Generation. Was he supposed to be? No, but I'm just thinking that that would have been cool.
00:51:39
Speaker
Sure. He's funny. He's real funny. He's very funny. George Clooney is a very funny man who does not do nearly enough comedy. I can't wait for you to watch Return the Killer Tomatoes at my behest, Stephen, for straight up. im I'm waiting for a straight up, man.
00:51:55
Speaker
you i I don't normally like to make wild wild swings as far as predictions go when it comes to how much you will enjoy or not enjoy a film that I suggest to you.
00:52:06
Speaker
But i think I think that movie is going to tickle you, Stephen. And I can't wait for you to see it. It's going to tickle you. Remember those words. Tickle me like Elmo.
00:52:17
Speaker
Took a like Elmo, son. ah In ah sixth place at the box office, future episode of this podcast, Horton Hears a Who. What? Horton Hears a Who. Exactly.
00:52:29
Speaker
No, that was the joke. Never mind. Continue. Meanwhile, when? ah who in seven view i You did it. understand You bastard. Oh, I hate you so much.
00:52:42
Speaker
i not even I'm but not a bad person. I'm a good person. always trying to be better. In seventh place, we've got a Dennis Quaid, Sarah Jessica Parker, Thomas Hayden Church film called ah Smart People. I don't know this movie at all.
00:52:59
Speaker
Miramax film. miramax film Cool. In eighth place, we have the ruins. I don't know what that is either. I don't know. I'm guessing a horror horror film of some kind with ruins ruins ruins ruins.
00:53:17
Speaker
We taking the eye out. in In ninth place, ah superhero movie. ah What if we made a superhero movie? ah That's a parody of other superhero movies. Oh, it's the... Yeah.
00:53:29
Speaker
Yeah, it's the Not Another Teen Movie, Disaster Movie. It's those guys. Next. And in 10th place, rounding out the top 10, we have Drillbit Taylor.
00:53:41
Speaker
which I'm pretty sure is a David. That was John Hughes. No, not David Spade. Owen Wilson. And it was John who who had died, but it was like his script. One of his last ones.
00:53:54
Speaker
I don't. And they were like, hey, Owen Wilson. They were like, hey, Owen Wilson, read this old John Hughes script, even though he has passed. And Owen Wilson was like, wow.
00:54:06
Speaker
Wow. ah Yeah. It's and also credited as a writer on that film. ah Seth Rogen. Your mother. Oh, yeah. Okay. he yeah He wrote the screenplay based on a story by John Hughes.
00:54:19
Speaker
Did you know what I found out recently? Seth Rogen and I are exactly the same age. Not to the day.
00:54:28
Speaker
But we are very, very close in age, Stephen. Cool story, bro. No, it's just he seems so much older. ah Like maybe, I'm i'm not only like so much, but like maybe at least five years older.
00:54:45
Speaker
And i I think for me, it's just that he kind of aged so quickly. Like once he hit like 35, he he was looked like he does now. And he kind of looks like 45, 50. Not in a bad way. He looks great. I'm just saying.
00:55:00
Speaker
I was shocked to find out we were basically the same age. One day if we ever record a What Are We Watching? I can talk about a Seth Rogen thing that I watched recently. Oh, I can't wait. We might just do instead of What Are We Watching? We might just do with the Disenfranchised Podcast presents the Patreon special on the studio.
00:55:20
Speaker
You're assuming that's what it was. um I know that's what it was. ah would do you. Okay. Because they made that for you, Steven. The tomatometer score on this movie is 9%. Mm-hmm.
00:55:31
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ah The critics' consensus- That's too generous. It kind of is. A dim and predictable remake of an already dull slasher film. This prom night fails to be memorable, which is pretty much what we said.
00:55:42
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Yeah, fair. um The meta score is 17, based on overwhelming dislike from 12 critics. Yeah. And Tucker, Letterboxd has a score for this movie. Would you care to guess what it is?
00:56:00
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ah Just off the cuff, like I'm going to go clutch with this with with this one. I'm not going to overthink it. This is between 1.4 and 1.9. I'm I'm one below, aren't It's 2.0, isn't No, it's 1.9. You just. Oh,
00:56:12
Speaker
i'm i'm i'm one below aren't i it's two point zero isn't it no it's one point nine you just
00:56:21
Speaker
You just barely got it. Good for you, man. ah So it has come it has come time for me to ask you, Tucker, out of five stars, how many are you giving to the 2008 film Prom Night?
00:56:37
Speaker
Half a star for that one transition that actually made me like stop looking at my phone and pay attention to the movie for like half a second.
00:56:47
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Yeah, it's a one for me. Like, this is just an aggressively bad film. It's not worth your time. It's not worth anybody's time for any reason. And yeah, that's that's all. That's all I can give it is the one.
00:57:00
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so That's generous, Steven. You're being very generous. I'm being very generous because it's, again, there's two actors I like in this. And there's actually more than two actors I like in this because I also enjoy Ming-Na Wen. I like Brittany Snow.
00:57:12
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ah Dana Davis is great. um I won't say I like Jonathan Chase because I kind of don't, but... Like, I mean, there's three solid actors right there. and And a couple ones.
00:57:24
Speaker
Yeah, you didn't talk about your boy, Lyndon Ashby. I'm doing it right now. Throwing it out down at the end. That's all i wanted to say is Lyndon Ashby was also Johnny Cage. Moving on How about them socials, Steven?
00:57:35
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How about them social? So this has been the disenfranchised podcast. You can find us on blue sky letterbox and YouTube at disenfranch pod. ah Shoot us an email, disenfranch pod at gmail.com. Let us know why we're wrong about prom night.
00:57:48
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00:58:03
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00:58:16
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See past episodes of ah the aforementioned What Are We Watching? along with many other. ah We haven't updated in a while, so thank you to everyone who's sticking with us. If you're not sticking with us, we don't blame you.
00:58:29
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Um, but, uh, yeah, uh, patreon.com slash distant French pod. If you haven't heard our bonus content, uh, there's a lot of good stuff in there that you probably like. So go check that out. Patreon.com slash distant French pod.
00:58:40
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You can also join for free, uh, and get all these episodes, uh, directly into your, uh, Patreon feed as well. And then you can also comment on posts and we'll talk back Tucker mostly, but sometimes me it's me ah and never Brett.
00:58:54
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um Let's just be honest, Brett. It's not on the Patreon. yeah We love him though. We love that guy. Brett's awesome. Yes. Yeah. He's, he's busy, busy man, but he's a good dude. It's a busy boy.
00:59:06
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He's a man. Um, but yeah, uh, you can find me, your host, Stephen Fox really. Hi. Hello. Uh, you can find me on, uh, letters, letterboxd and blue sky. almost said letter sky. That's weird. Letter what? Okay. There you go Letter sky. Um, I like that letterboxd and blue sky at chewy walrus. Uh, listen to my other podcast. Wells university with friend of the show, hope style.
00:59:28
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Uh, she'll be on again. I think she's coming on later this year. Actually, her and Bex both this year. Um, um but ah But yeah, love those two.
00:59:39
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And Hope and I do a podcast all about Orson Welles. And we're on a little bit of a hiatus because your boy Ben busy as hell. ah But we'll be getting back to it ah very, very soon. And by very soon, I mean we're recording an episode tomorrow as of the recording of this episode.
00:59:54
Speaker
Um, so it's very exciting times for Wells university. Um, you can also, listen to, I'm on a lot of the predator series over at pod and pendulum. Uh, I was on both the episode for predator and, uh, I think next week's episode on predators episode we covered last year on this podcast, predators, um, and, uh, I like predator movies. So yeah, listen to what I have to say about predator movies. Predators are great.
01:00:20
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Um, The third one should have been called Predatois, right? and toine Was it in France, maybe? i doubt it.
01:00:30
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In a world where there's three predators, coming this summer, Predatois. what they What they did for Predators is James Cameron came in, and or I'm sorry, Robert Rodriguez came in and he wrote Predator on the board.
01:00:45
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and he he kind of like pointed at it and then he writes an S at the end and he points that and he draws brilliant two lines through the S and makes a dollar sign. Bravo! Bravo!
01:00:56
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Brilliant. A spoon? Brilliant. Beer from a bottle? Brilliant. um But yeah, that's me. Don't follow Brett on social media. He doesn't want you to. Tucker, where can we find social media? hates it when you do that. really doesn't want Don't do it.
01:01:12
Speaker
As always on the Instagrams and the YouTubes. A lot less on the Instagrams these days, but... um I really meant to have us have a photo when I was in town the other day yeah to put on the gram, but then I just, it just didn't have, I'm not somebody who thinks about that really. Like I try to, but I almost did, but there were like, like there were like, I had nine people there to talk to. So it was like, I had a lot of people to talk to that day.
01:01:41
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So I, it, I thought of it and it it, as soon as it entered my mind, it left my mind again. so Well, I'm just, it's never in my mind, even if I want it to be, like, there are entire eras of my life, like, between the ages of, like, 13 and 20, there's maybe three photos, known photos of me.
01:02:03
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I've seen That possession of. human address, so. Oh, well, I'm so pretty. i wish i I wish I could still cover up. Yeah, no, see, it's just now I can't really be convincing because my facial hair grows in too thick and it's too dark.
01:02:22
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Like I have to put on way too much foundation and I just look like a. A whore, Steven, I look like a whore. Tucker, I've got one word for you and one word. oh Yes, yes.
01:02:35
Speaker
But I like my beard. I would want it to come back, though. I like my beard. I mean, it won't kill your beard. Sounds like it's going to kill my beard. Nah, I won't kill your beard.
01:02:46
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Doesn't matter. You can find me on Instagram and YouTube at Ice909. That's I-C-E-N-I-N-E. The number zero and the number nine. Also, Tuck Mugs still exists and posts are coming out every once in a while.
01:03:01
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And everybody's having a good time. So, like, no matter what you think or how you feel about whatever, if you just want to come chill and, like, look at some cool mugs, do that.
01:03:12
Speaker
I have it on good authority that you purchased some glassware recently as well that may or may not come be an upcoming feature on Tuck Mugs. I did. did you Did you learn that from my new best friend, Steven?
01:03:25
Speaker
No, I learned it from you because that's what you told me after you and your apparently new best friend went thrifting. Because you were like, I bought some glassware and I bought some Christmas albums.
01:03:36
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Did I show you the record though? No, you told me about it, but you didn't show me. Look, I got a Glen Campbell Christmas record, but it's one of those like my Julie Andrews one where it's just like she's on like three of the songs and the rest is the orchestra and the choir, you know.
01:03:50
Speaker
Still, it's a good time. And like I'll enjoy the Glen Campbell one. I mean, the Beach Boys connection alone. is is enough for me to be there um but look at this gem i got steven you see this this is the tijuana christmas do you see this tijuana are you looking at this right now i am looking at that that is a man that is a mariachi man with a large sombrero and a giant fake mustache playing a trumpet is what that is now this is this is credited to the border brass um It is a selection of Christmas tunes done by what appears to be mariachi band.
01:04:27
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You know what they should have called it, Tucker, instead of Tijuana Christmas. They should have called it Mariachi Christmas. Because Merry Christmas and Mariachi Christmas, i would have been much better.
01:04:38
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Fuck off. Somebody probably did that already. That's probably what it is. M-E-R-R-Y-A-C-H-I Christmas. Mariachi Christmas. I can't listen to this until November 1st, even because there are strict rules with Christmas music.
01:04:51
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Look, I have much stricter rules on Christmas music than you do. Well, i I can't help it. it's It's one of my favorite genres. I know. but I know, and I do not begrudge you that at all. I want you to enjoy the things that you enjoy. I just don't enjoy those particular things.
01:05:07
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I can't imagine that this is easy to find at the price that I got it for, which was a dollar out the door. And that dollar went towards animal shelters, dude.
01:05:17
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Yeah. We, um my partner and I drove by that on our way out of the theater ah Sunday. And I was like, that's probably where they went. So that is where we went. Yeah. And, uh,
01:05:28
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ah So i can't imagine this is very easy to find. um But ah Jimmy did um confirm that it is on Spotify. I have not checked ah YouTube music, but this exact record, if you search Tijuana Christmas in Spotify, this will come up.
01:05:46
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So if you do get antsy, anyone, and listen to it before November 1st, without spoiling too much, let me know how it is. Because I am so psyched. I cannot wait to listen to this fucking record.
01:05:59
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One of my favorite thrift store purchases that I ever made of a record is a ah Sesame Street disco record. oh I know it is. i don't have it. I do.
01:06:13
Speaker
I do have Sesame Street records, but not those. It is called Sesame Disco, and it features, among other songs, ah the Cookie Monster classic Me Lost Me Cookie at the Disco.
01:06:25
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a that's i mean that's probably the place you would lose it uh now before we move on steven because i have had to pee for probably about a half an hour but before we move on let me read uh the description on the back of this record it says take the festive spirit of the christmas season spice well with the merry mariachi sounds and you have a wassail bowl full of the happiest holiday music ever
01:06:54
Speaker
What is wassail? but Can you can wassail? Is that a drink? Do you drink wassail? Is it a food product? So someone clearly did not grow up watching the Claymation, the Will Vinton Claymation Christmas special because that is like a thread through that entire fucking show.
01:07:15
Speaker
Is it a noun or a verb? Can you wassail? According to the song, you're wassailing. Correct. Here we come a-wassaling among the leaves so green. Here we come a-wassaling so fair to be seen. Love and joy come to you. And to you, your wassail too.
01:07:31
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See, there it is. A a noun. That's why i always just assumed that it was just like eggnog. It's a holiday drink. like But it's one like that that the school kids, like their holiday fundraiser is to sell wassail, and that's wassailing.
01:07:46
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Because they're selling. Was-selling, if you will. as As a noun, wassail has four meanings. It means a salutation. A salutation with wishing health to a person used in England in early times when presenting a cup of drink or when drinking to the person. So wassail.
01:08:05
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Oh, like a toast. I'm going to do that now. Two, a festivity or revel with drinking of healths. Three, liquor for drinking and wishing health to others on festive occasions, especially, especially spiced ale as on Christmas Eve and Twelfth Night.
01:08:24
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I will fucking bet that's exactly where I thought that was going to go. It's like a fucking mulled wine is what it is. And then the fourth meaning is an archaic one, meaning a song sung in wassailing.
01:08:35
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As a verb used without an object, it it means to revel with drinking. Or as a verb used with an object, it means to drink to the health or success of a toast. So what would a wassail bowl down It would be a big old bowl of spiced ale.
01:08:55
Speaker
So, like, you know, you can get, like, the the ah the winter ales and the Christmas ales from a lot of the different brewers, and they do tend to be, like, they have spices and shit. So would you consider that, like, a modern wassail?
01:09:08
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Probably. I mean, like, I think wassail specifically is English in in in terms of just definition, but, like, a my partner's mother is of Swedish descent and Swedish heritage and is very...
01:09:21
Speaker
um very, let me say, enthusiastic about her Swedish heritage. And so as a result, ah Glug is a, which is a Swedish spiced wine, ah drank usually around the holidays, is a staple or around the holidays. In fact, we always know we can get her mom a big bottle of of Glug for Christmas.
01:09:43
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. That's fantastic. Now, Stephen, if if someone stole, let's say someone stole your wassail and the cops come and you're doing ah you're giving a statement.
01:09:54
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And the first thing they ask you is, ah sir, can you describe the wassailant?
01:10:02
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Fuck you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We just did 10 minutes on Wasail, ladies and gentlemen. It's time to go That is it. That is our episode on um Prom Night, 2008's Prom Night. And thank God it's over.
01:10:17
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ah We'll be back with another two thousand s era remake and hopefully a guest, fingers crossed, ah next week. This one's your one. does This is your guest to schedule, Tucker. so What? oh Oh, that's right.
01:10:31
Speaker
Yeah. Right. So that's right. i'm himself a lady though. I don't know if he's going to be available. Oh shit. Well, he's got, I told him that women weaken legs, but she, he's just like, no dude, I got him. Like, I guess he's got
Upcoming Guest Schedules
01:10:45
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shit to promote. He needs to make time.
01:10:47
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yeah, dude. Cause I'm just saying, and look, we've got a lot of guests lined up for the end of this year. So ah there's only like a handful of episodes that are guestless at this
Introduction to Spookython
01:10:59
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point. So if he's wanting to get in on another episode,
01:11:03
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And with that, we conclude our episode on prom night and our first episode of Spookython. Stay tuned. We've got some fun stuff and some really fun guests lined up for this month. Actually, I think if all goes according to plan, we should have a guest on every
Podcast Sign-off and Final Remarks
01:11:18
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episode this month.
01:11:18
Speaker
That is the plan. Every other episode this month, because not except for this one. So all the rest of them should have guests if we can get scheduling down. Otherwise, This has been the disenfranchised podcast for the absent Brett Wright, the very present Tucker and myself, Stephen Foxworthy until next time.
01:11:38
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ah wassail forever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And mariachi Christmas. Yeah.
01:11:59
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Thank you.