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241 - Brigsby Bear (2017) w/ Noah East (Straight Up 008)
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“May our minds be stronger tomorrow.”
Better late than never, right? For the second time in a row, we're delivering a Straight Up a week late, but never fear! We're talking about one the whole family - or at least the whole podcast crew - can enjoy! Join us as we discuss Tucker and Noah’s deep shared love of all things Kyle Mooney, some great central Indiana movie theater talk, Stephen and Noah's top films of 2017, and reminisces of Stephen and Noah's high school days!
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Theme
00:00:06
Speaker
What's wrong with you man? Get the other record.
00:00:12
Speaker
Damn.
Breaking Format with 'Brigsby Bear'
00:00:55
Speaker
May our minds be stronger tomorrow. It's the disenfranchised podcast that podcast all about those franchises of one, those films that fancy themselves full-fledged franchises before falling flat on their face after the first film, except for when it isn't. And this is one of those times. This is one of those times where we hand off the show to our co-host Tucker, who hey we have contractually obligated once every four months to show us a movie of his choosing, breaking the format.
00:01:24
Speaker
And so I'll go ahead and introduce him. He is apparently dope as shit. ah Tucker, how are we doing, buddy? Hello, Steven. You took me took my response to how are you doing? I was going to say I'm totally dope as shit.
00:01:41
Speaker
Yeah. Well, you know, i have to I had to introduce you
Guest Appearance by Noah East
00:01:45
Speaker
somehow. o But at Tucker, what ah what what movie are we covering tonight? ah We are covering two thousand seventeen s Brigsby bear And we are not alone, Tucker, in our coverage of 2017's Brigsby Bear. No, no, no. Because when we told ah this past and future guest that we were covering this movie, he moved heaven and earth to be on this episode.
00:02:12
Speaker
um Such is his love for this film. Speaking of dope as shit from the Film Harmonic podcast, please welcome back to the show, Mr. Noah East. to Noah, welcome back, sir.
00:02:23
Speaker
Thank you for having me, you guys. Thank you so much. Hey, we are always delighted to have you. And if there's a, if, and again, the invitation stands, if there's ever a movie you you want to cover that we're covering,
00:02:36
Speaker
Let us know. And we, I think we casually dropped Brigsby bear the last time you were on for, if I'm not mistaken, hot rod. That was the last time I was on. That's when you were on. yeah That's what it was.
00:02:47
Speaker
Oh, and this movie also produced by the lonely Island. So there's a collective issue there. That's our connection. Yes. And we were supposed to do one before this, that we had to push to after this, which is
Movie Sharing Strategies and Favorites
00:02:58
Speaker
also lonely on. And so it seems like that seems to be like the, the link between me and being on your guys' show.
00:03:04
Speaker
Outside of my first appearance, which was Annihilation. Outside of that, it just seems to be Lonely Island things. Yo, Annihilation was dope as shit, though. like that movie. Sometimes I forget about it, and then somebody mentions it, and I'm like, oh yeah, that was dope as shit.
00:03:21
Speaker
yeah tucker to Tucker, to remind you of the episode that Noah was supposed to be on without just giving it away, it was going to initially going to be our Val Kelmer RIP episode before we had to schedule some things around.
00:03:32
Speaker
Oh, I'm sick for that episode. No, you're not, bitch. You're awesome. it's my It's my blind spot because everything from everyone involved in the unnamed film, I love, but I just don't get it. I don't get the movie. I don't get the series. I enjoy the sketches.
00:03:49
Speaker
I just don't get it. mean i guess wendy we kind of gave it away because we said that it was Lonely Island and we said that Val Kilmer was in it. so We'll let the people figure it out. We're not going to say it. In fact, here's the thing. I'm loathe to mention it because then I'm going to make Tucker go back in and beep it out, and i don't think he wants to do that.
00:04:06
Speaker
Okay, that's fair. I don't i don't have time to do that kind of stuff these days unless I have to, really. I know, and which is why I'm not going to do it, and I'm also not going to mention the name of that one movie we also covered on a straight up.
00:04:17
Speaker
Oh, it's such a really good movie, though. well it it was here's Tucker, going to make a bold statement right now. This is, what episode of Straight Up is this? Number seven? Something like that.
00:04:29
Speaker
This is, in the seven movies that we have covered as a part of this franchise within a show, this has been the best one you've suggested yet. i will I would like to... can we Do you have a list of straight ups so that we can go through and see if you're wrong or not? Do I have a list of straight ups? Tucker, you're talking to the spreadsheet guy.
00:04:51
Speaker
i kind I can't wait to hear this. Okay, these are movies. The reason – okay, so if I may, just a little bit of explanation behind Straight Up before we go into this list. um the reason The reason I wanted to do Straight Up is that one thing – when I have friends, which I've had friends sometimes in my life, and Steven is my friend and Brett is my friend, and um I want to show them movies that I like. I want to show them movies that are very important to me for lots of different reasons – And whether they like them or not, it's important that they watch them so that they kind of understand me as a person a little better.
00:05:27
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And that's what Straight Up is all about. And the movies we have covered on Straight Up so far, which we will include Pudi Tang and The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the Eighth Dimension as ah Prometheus of Straight Up.
00:05:41
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and And also Blues Brothers 2000, lest we forget. Oh, that was a Patreon one. Yeah, Blues Brothers 2000. Yes, I see.
Podcast In-Jokes and Editing Challenges
00:05:48
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I like that movie way more than anyone should. Correct. So far, I'm so far i'm but but before the list. I'm with Steven. So far, Brigsby-Berry. Okay, here the remains. This is episode eight, so I misspoke earlier. earlier The first one was the Return of Captain Invincible.
00:06:08
Speaker
Oh, boy. that was all Alan Arkin? Golly, Duke. Alan Arkin in a superhero musical. ah Christopher Lee. Just singing his dick off. It's fantastic. Yeah, it's it's something. ah Number two, Bob Balaban's Parents.
00:06:23
Speaker
Hey! That's the second episode. Yeah, dude. That one, not bad. We're still going to do My Boyfriend's Back at some point. Speaking of Bob Balaban's early directorial work, we're doing My Boyfriend's Back at some point.
00:06:35
Speaker
Philip Seymour often is worth the admission price alone. And the third the third episode is Fist, the Norman Jewison Sylvester Stallone union movie.
00:06:47
Speaker
Yes, Fist. Oh, that's a good one. I want to do Norma Ray as well, speaking of union movies. There you go. We'll to have Jimmy back on for that one. Yes, Jimmy. And then the fourth one is the episode or is the movie that Tucker typed into the chat there that we cannot name without him having to beep it out.
00:07:02
Speaker
Well, it is the forbidden film. The subtitle to it is the forbidden film. Correct. I think just once, we can say it one time without beeping it. So prepare yourselves, listeners.
00:07:13
Speaker
Sit down. will never happen again. Take a deep breath because I'm about to say Existo. There it is. I'm confused. It feels so good. Do you not know that word?
00:07:27
Speaker
Maybe i may I give you just a little blurb to explain it. So Existo is character. You should have said it. Shut up. Stop saying it. So Existo is a character. It's okay. Look, it's okay. We're we're we're not bleeping it this episode.
00:07:42
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This is our free pass Does that mean I can other say? No, you can't. No. Existo is the only one that's allowed. So Existo a character. Let's all say it. Just don't be cathartic. Existo. Existo.
00:07:55
Speaker
There it is. I love it. um So it's the character.
Kyle Mooney's Creative Range
00:07:58
Speaker
Oh my god. Okay, now I have to bleep stuff out. Cool. So anyway... Now I'm just bleeping out all the existos. Now mind fucking well, Steven.
00:08:10
Speaker
Golly, dude. So anyway.
00:08:14
Speaker
Existo is a character from the late 80s Jim Varney Ernest TV show. He's a magician who always does his tricks and they always go wrong.
00:08:27
Speaker
But a couple years after that show ended, they made a very R-rated, anti-corporate, anti-government, 90s indie, artsy-fartsy, underground kind of film starring...
00:08:42
Speaker
that character and he spins the bishop a few times i can tell you that you know what i mean you know what i mean he has no idea i'm weakened you see how it is worth checking out it's got a lot of the people from those earnest films including jim varney um gaylard sartain the great why'd he have to beat it out though ah It's just a bit we do.
00:09:09
Speaker
Got it. Got Well, see, because before we did it, it wasn't on the schedule and we had mentioned it a few times. And so I was like, oh, we can talk about it, but I have to beep it because people don't know it's coming up.
00:09:20
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But I just kept beeping it. And sometimes if Steven's mad at me and he wants to give me more work, he'll just randomly say Existo. Or the other thing that I said earlier. Yes.
00:09:31
Speaker
Damn it. Apparently I can mention all those things separately. Like I can mention Elon Musk. Yeah, sure. And if I'm in another conversation, I can reference someone giving the Nazi salute.
00:09:42
Speaker
And, you know, again, if we're talking down the line, I can mention someone being at the inauguration. and But if I put those three things together. Big beep. Big bada beep. gets beeped. And I think it's because Tucker is in love with the Republican Party. I think is why. No, no. That's also a bit because like, so Stephen had said it. Here's the deal.
00:10:02
Speaker
So Steve, this had just happened and Stephen mentions it during the episode and the episode otherwise has such a great vibe. But it just brings it down. And like the last 30 minutes just suck because Steven mentions that. And it's like nobody wants to think about that while we're having a good time.
00:10:18
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And so I just bleeped it out. And so now it has just become one of those forbidden words like or phrases like existo that I just have to beep out every time. Mainly as an editing exercise, I'm building my portfolio.
00:10:29
Speaker
I love that we have to kind of let Noah in on all of our like unspoken lore. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, we're just setting up this Brigsby Bear episode with 10 minutes of just lore dumping.
00:10:40
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Yes. After Existo is episode 5 of Unknown Origin, the Peter Sellers fights a giant rat movie. That's Peter Weller, sir. Check yourself before you wreck yourself. Weller Sellers, I mean, they rhyme. Dr. Peter Weller. Respect it. He didn't go to school for 12 years to be called Mr. Come on.
00:11:00
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And then after that, we have ah the Joseph Kahn film Bodied. Hey! Which is a movie about a white rapper who says the N-word a lot. um It's about battle rap.
00:11:15
Speaker
Eminem executive produced it. um And then episode seven. I even like Eminem. The episode immediately preceding this was ah what ended up becoming our R.I.P. Val Kilmer episode, ah which was The Salton Sea. The Salton Sea.
00:11:29
Speaker
One of Vincent D'Onofrio's most fun performances. That is a good movie. I like that a lot. But you are right. Ultimately, this is the best of the bunch. Objectively, yes. It's not my favorite of the bunch, but it is objectively the best. Well, i don't know. Buckaroo Banzai, I think, is a better film than Bruce B. Bear.
00:11:46
Speaker
I don't know, man. This is a really good movie, but we'll get into it.
Themes of Kindness in 'Brigsby Bear'
00:11:51
Speaker
yeah We will get into it. First of all let me run down the cast of Brigsby Bear real quick. First of all, directed by ah Dave McCary and written by Kevin Costello and Kyle Mooney, starring Kyle Mooney, ah but also Claire Danes, Mark Hamill, Greg Kinnear, Andy Samberg, Matt Walsh, Michaela Watkins, Ryan Simpkins.
00:12:13
Speaker
ah You got Beck Bennett in there. Alexa Demme is in there. um Jane Addams, Tim Heidecker. What a cast. What a picture, honestly.
00:12:25
Speaker
yeah ah did Did you not expect Beck Bennett to be there? like it's when Usually when there's a Kyle, there's a Beck. That's usually what it's supposed to be. I'm not the Mooney head that you are. boy.
00:12:39
Speaker
Tucker. You've heard the record, right? Noah, you've heard the record, right? Oh, yeah. i've heard the i'm i am I didn't know that you and i were alike in that way. We're both Mooney heads. Oh, man. I have that record. I have it on vinyl, dude.
00:12:53
Speaker
It's like 20 minutes. Like, why why is it on a 12-inch? We don't know. But, oh, it's fantastic. I love it. I love it. He's pretty good character. I think so. And I was thinking of this, um actually, while I was watching Brigsby Bear, that the the character that that Kyle Mooney plays in Brigsby Bear is kind of...
00:13:13
Speaker
an amalgamation of of most of most of his kind of shy, awkward characters. But instead of being played for comedy, a lot of the time it's being played for drama. And that kind of works ah the same way with his record.
00:13:25
Speaker
Yes. Where like, it's funny because it it's so lo-fi and weird, but also like there's kind of some serious shit underneath it. There's... The word that I keep coming back to to describe that, and it's very apt for this film as well, is there's an earnestness to it.
00:13:46
Speaker
absolutely Yeah, I would v i would say sincerity, but yeah, yeah same same thing. 100%. Well, and they tell you in in theater, don't go for the laugh because the humor is in the truth.
00:14:00
Speaker
If you play the truth, you'll play the comedy. And so there's something to, there there is an intrinsic link between comedy and sincerity. And I think the funniest moments of this film are those deeply sincere moments that he's playing them. Like everybody says they want to help me, but nobody can find me the new episode of Brigsby.
00:14:17
Speaker
Yeah. It's funny because he's so earnest in how he says, yes, he's so sincere in that stress. It is. He's coming. it's It's he's playing the truth. And that is the thing that's funny.
00:14:28
Speaker
yeah And that's why this film is the perfect role for Kyle Mooney. That's an Oscar-worthy performance right there because he turns that what he normally does for comedy and perfectly translates it into drama, like believable drama.
00:14:44
Speaker
And it's, he's so endearing. He's so endearing. yeah And this is one of my favorite, like micro genres that I like to call like, it's um it's it's it's kindness cinema. Like where I kind of feel like it's it's a cousin to, oh, I'm trying to think of the frigging director.
00:15:10
Speaker
It'll come to me later, but um it's kind of a cousin to Lars and the real girl um That director is the same guy that directed eye Tonya and and stuff like that. Craig Gillespie. There you go.
00:15:21
Speaker
In that like the they exist in a world where you think that people are going to react like and scoff and kind of treat him differently. But instead, the the character is embraced with kindness and warmth and people are understanding and want the best for him.
00:15:40
Speaker
you know and Legitimately the opposite of what you would expect a movie like this to be. Exactly. And it's just it's kind of feel good in that way where where people are treated with kindness and it makes you feel warm and fuzzy when you're watching it. And I kind of get the same vibe from Lars and the Real Girl that I that i get when I'm watching Brigsby Bear. this was I watched it twice in preparation for this, so this was my fifth time seeing it Oh, wow. Do you happen to
Missing Scene in Streaming Version?
00:16:12
Speaker
have the Blu-ray? Do you have the Blu-ray?
00:16:14
Speaker
Nope. Okay, so I noticed something. The the release that's on all of the streaming ah services and apparently theatrical release is PG-13. My Blu-ray, which is in storage, so I wasn't able to use it. I had to rent rent it off of ah YouTube.
00:16:33
Speaker
And it's the PG-13 version, and there is a scene missing. A short, tiny little scene. At the beginning, you know, it shows you the first couple nights of him. Well, not the first couple nights, but the first time you see him, you know, in the bunker.
00:16:47
Speaker
And Mark Hamill's like, all right, good night. I'm shutting down the power. And... Between there's a there's a third night where that happens. And in my Blu-ray version, it's the only scene that's cut from the theatrical version is he has this flashlight like he does in the other two.
00:17:04
Speaker
But his flashlight finds its way to a poster of the twins, the sisters from the show. Yes. spar end It is implied that he jerks off under his covers. That's the version I saw on the Roku channel. oh oh With commercials? That's crazy because it wasn't on the YouTube version.
00:17:21
Speaker
I watched the Roku version and I don't recall that scene. but That's wild. I remember him like searching with the flashlight and finding the picture of, of the girl.
00:17:32
Speaker
Yes. But I, I didn't see any, any window. Well, it's a dark scene. So it's everything he's doing is under those covers. But no, my mind immediately went to, he's jerking off, isn't he? Like that was immediately where my mind went as soon as he found that picture with the flashlight.
00:17:48
Speaker
it is It's not explicit, but it is more implied. see. Because you actually, you see him and you see him kind of put his hand under the covers and it starts to move a little bit and then it cuts the next one.
00:17:59
Speaker
Because you can't have too much of that because it would ruin the tone of the film. But you still have to have a little bit like, of course he's jerking it to that poster. Of course he is. like And it would also, mean and I think it would also undermine the scene later with him and Meredith where it's like, oh, this feels this feels very good. Oh, I thank you. i i Thank you. Bye. Bye.
00:18:17
Speaker
What you doing? Yeah. And then old sun snatcher comes after him. Do you believe that out the real world? He's running it through the woods and so tells that he's like, there is can I talk to you for a second? like What we did with our bodies was cool and all, but I, I don't think I can marry you.
00:18:39
Speaker
But again, it's, it's the earnestness. It's, it's the way she looks at him too. Like, yeah. but you Yeah, it's just the earnestness makes it just makes that character so endearing and it's so charming. so The last thing you would actually expect him to say. But then as soon as he said it, of course, that's exactly what he's going to say. Like, yeah, it just kind of that perfect. Yeah.
00:19:01
Speaker
So I got to know, gentlemen, since you both are Mooney heads, I know Kyle Mooney from Saturday Night Live and Tucker's Obsession. So I need you both to tell me kind of where you first discovered Cal Mooney, what your history with him as a performer is, and then your history with this film specifically. Because I'll just say, first time watching the movie. There, my part's done. Noah, you're our guest. I'm to start with you.
00:19:23
Speaker
ah YouTube, all of his his shorts that he made with the co-writer Costello of this film. Neighbor. and and ah Yeah, the Good Neighbor shorts.
00:19:34
Speaker
um Sports, his awkward interviews, reptiles, stuff like that, you know. Chris Fitzpatrick and all those. Yes. Yep. Yep. Exactly. This is his YouTube shorts. And then I thought once he got on SNL, I just thought this guy is one of the most unique people that's ever been on SNL. And um unlike Tim Robinson, they found a way to use him correctly.
00:20:02
Speaker
You know, and that's why his tenure not a thing andnl is usually pretty good at. on No, especially, especially like unique and off off, ah you know ah offbeat comedians like this. They don't usually get a lot of run.
00:20:17
Speaker
And I mean, he had quite a tenure there at SNL and they were able to use him right. I think maybe also because he had a best friend in Beck who probably went to bat for him a bunch. um But yeah, is it I just thought he was one of the best characters on SNL.
00:20:33
Speaker
If I was making a top 10 cast members of SNL in the 21st century, he'd be on the list. Honestly, yeah that's how much I love Kyle Mooney. Agreed.
00:20:44
Speaker
Yeah. And then when it comes to this film, um I was already a big Mooney head. So i the trailer I was geeked for, I was there opening night, saw it in the theater. I was oh right on very ready for it. I'm jealous. This, in fact, was a three... I went to the theater with with ah my co-host of my show, and we saw three movies that day, back to back to back.
00:21:11
Speaker
We had to go to two different theaters to pull it off, but we started with... Baby Driver, then Brigsby Bear, then Wind River. I don't know the third one, but those first two are really good. The third one is Jeremy jeremy Renner and um and ah Mary Elizabeth Olsen.
00:21:30
Speaker
okay Okay. okay Here's my question for you, Noah. You, like us, are an indie boy. Did this take place in Indianapolis? And if so, what theaters did you hit? Because that's that's a running theme on the show, what theaters we saw movies in in the Indianapolis area.
00:21:47
Speaker
Baby Driver was at Castleton AMC. And then Brigsby Bear and Wind River were at the ah Keystone Arts Fashion Mall. I was going to say, it'd have to be at Keystone. It'd have to be at Keystone. No other theater in the town in in the city would probably have that.
00:22:03
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. And I find it difficult to believe that they, I mean, they might have had Baby Driver, but usually that would be kind of too big of a movie for them to have. Yeah, yeah. Well, and see, now with all the Fathom events, like you get a lot of indie shit. like I saw Ick.
00:22:19
Speaker
I saw Joseph Kahn's new movie Ick last week. It did a three-day run nationwide a Fathom event. Where was that at? was that it Was that at AMC or was that at Keystone Arts?
00:22:29
Speaker
it was at the Regal in Greenwood, which sucks, by the way. Don't go there. I was just there a couple weeks ago for something. Oh, I saw i saw Eddington there. Oh, where?
00:22:41
Speaker
And I was like, man, this Regal sucks. I love Regal. Regal is a pretty dependable brand for me. I love their rewards program, so I tend to seek them out. But that Greenwood one, man, it has gone downhill. It's super clean. It's super clean. When I was in my 20s.
00:22:56
Speaker
ah But to answer your question, Stephen, Eddington rules. yeah Okay. that Now the Regal, that's the one by the Greenwood Park Mall. Yes. Yes. It's okay. That used to be an AMC. So okay I remember it mostly as an AMC.
00:23:09
Speaker
You know, you're right. Cause the last time I was in Indy for an extended period of time, i saw alien Romulus there. And it, I was, it did not live up to my memory of the place. So I agree.
00:23:21
Speaker
I moved from broad ripple. I live on the South side now. And so I go to the, I go to the AMC, uh, in light on the South side on Meridian street, ah The one where Brett used to work. Our co-host Brett Wright used to work there. Oh, well, that's my go-to theater now. And whoever their programmer is, is great.
Movie-Going Memories and SNL Sketches
00:23:39
Speaker
um I think also because they have a ah big ethnic community on that side of town. So they get a lot more artsier films um and and a lot more foreign films as well, which is big for me.
00:23:51
Speaker
But um um I'm a member of the A24 fan club thing, where the tripaa twenty four And they send you a free movie ticket like all the time. So I got a free ticket to Eddington, which is how I ended up at the Regal for the first time ever.
00:24:06
Speaker
ah In fact, I hadn't been to a Regal since like high school because I grew up on the West Side. Steven and I went to high school together. And I hadn't been to to to a Regal since like the Regal in Avon.
00:24:18
Speaker
Oh, wow. The West Side is my blind spot in this city. That's my blind spot. It is. need to spend some more time on the West Side. Steven and I went to high school on the West Side. That's right. I've door dashed over there, and I'm not impressed, you guys. Sorry.
00:24:30
Speaker
My main but a backyard of the Chapel Rock Christian Church there. how's my school My main theater in high school um was a United Artists across the street from Target on the West Side, which is now in LA Fitness.
00:24:45
Speaker
Yep. Yo, hey, they tore down the theater I worked at as a kid and made it into an LA Fitness. Yeah, it's a real shame. It's an empty building. And that t yeah the TGI Fridays is gone too. Oh, I'm so sad about TGI Fridays. I know. We used to go to the TGI Fridays and then skip across and go to the go to the movies.
00:25:03
Speaker
Yes, dude. Now you can't. You can only go to the LA Fitness now. when who was my grandma My grandma thinks that LA Fitness is La Fitness. Like it's for people who speak Spanish. It's like a gym and for people who speak Spanish. yeah yeah I guess if it were French it would be La Fitness.
00:25:22
Speaker
La Fitness. La Fitness. shaca snow But Yeah, eat too many baguettes as carbs. Bread makes you fat? but yeah you eat too many bagasss carbs yeah a bread makes you fat living proof tucker living proof bread is tight though bread is tight me and y'all skinny bitches over here um bread's dope as shit yeah yeah it is dope as shit uh tucker what about you your your history with the kyle moonies and the brigsby bears
00:25:56
Speaker
So unfortunately, i was not introduced to Kyle Mooney until SNL. Of course, I went back and and seeked all the stuff on YouTube, all the Good Neighbor stuff. I'm familiar with it. um And I always when when Kyle Mooney first started kind of showing up on SNL, because I'm I'm just kind of an SNL guy ever since I was a teenager.
00:26:15
Speaker
I make it a point every week that it's on live to watch it. And so when Kyle Mooney hit, I was like, oh, this is kind of different. Like, I'm not sure how this is going to fit in, but it's kind of different. But it wasn't until Bruce Chandling first showed up on Weekend Update.
00:26:32
Speaker
And I was like, okay, okay, yep, okay, I get it. And then he did the the Bruce Chandling with Kevin Hart. Yep. With the slam dunk competition. Yeah.
00:26:45
Speaker
And I was yeahll like, okay. And then um ah what's the Inside SoCal started hitting and I was like, okay, yeah, I'm way fucking into this dude. And Chris Fitzpatrick and um his the interview on the street guy, yeah the guy who's always doing it, he's always wet for some reason. It's never raining, but he's always so moist. He's always soaking wet, yeah.
00:27:05
Speaker
Yeah, and and and and those what's funny about those sketches, especially Bruce Chandling and the, um and the ah what was the second one that you mentioned? um Christmas Patrick? ah Inside SoCal. Yeah, Inside SoCal.
00:27:18
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It shows his range as as an impressionist, as a performer, because those characters are absolutely nothing like he is normally. You think that he's just, he he it plays himself all the time, but that's not the case.
00:27:33
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like He is very capable of like inhabiting a character. um and And it shows his range in ah and in ways that I think they really took cool a cool advantage of.
00:27:46
Speaker
Steven, if you aren't familiar with Kyle Mooney's YouTube shorts, The Good Neighbor shorts, You just need to watch the one that's just titled sports.
00:27:58
Speaker
it is a masterpiece. It is an actual masterpiece. He's still got the jacket too. went Yeah, exactly. when we're When we're all done, you need to you need to throw that on and and watch it because it is it really is truly a masterpiece.
00:28:14
Speaker
This man speaks the truth. ah But I so I really got into Kyle Mooney heavy because of SNL. um The brothers sketches, I think, are brilliant. I love the leave Schreiber one specifically just because I love leave Schreiber so much. And I'd love to see him in that position because he looks like he's having a really great time and also really annoyed at the same time somehow. And only a way that leave Schreiber can give off, you know, Cotton Weary himself. They're just like killing it on SNL.
00:28:43
Speaker
um But then, you know, he was in a few shows, a few movies. i watch i watched Zoolander 2 just for him. I still haven't seen it. His character his character on Zoolander 2, he actually made an Instagram in character of that guy. And it was one of the funniest Instagram pages you've ever seen. It was so friggin' funny. Or maybe it was a Twitter account. Maybe it was both. I don't remember. But it was so funny because they were all in character as that like that goofy fashion douchebag that this guy. like is like a He's like an Ed Hardy knockoff kind of guy.
00:29:22
Speaker
super super funny but again showing his range because that is another character that doesn't speak or act behave at all no mannerisms or anything that actually resembles what kyle is like and i think he's so underrated for that reason because for some reason people who aren't familiar enough with him think that he just plays himself this this this awkward nerd all the time but that's not necessarily his bread and butter And I love it kind of when he can combines those two in stuff like um I'm just going to talk about all my favorite SNL characters that he does from now on. That's the rest of this episode. BT dubs.
00:29:59
Speaker
um But the the series of prerecorded shorts where it's about um first, it's him and Miley Cyrus. And then it's him and Leslie Jones and him and Leslie Jones get married and have a child and the child grows up into a teenager like over the series of the over a week.
00:30:16
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And like the other weird thing about those pre-recorded sketches is that every single one of those ends with some weird like cultish thing that the cast does to resolve the issue.
00:30:30
Speaker
It's, ah I'll tell you what, Kyle Mooney, like just make yourself look up on YouTube, SNL, Kyle Mooney, put every video that comes up in a playlist, put it on shuffle and you're going to have a really good time. There's your night. You know what i mean? Yeah. There's your there's your week, dude. Steven, were you familiar with Kyle Mooney from SNL or not?
00:30:49
Speaker
Yes. I was going to say. My partner is a big SNL fan. So we have, since we've been together and even a little before, I've been watching SNL. So I kind of have the, I had the knowledge of who he was. Like you you say, oh, Kyle Mooney and I, I know who that guy is. Like, I'm like, oh, right. He's the the really awkward dude. And I mean, the the kind of character he tends to play, but I didn't really, i wasn't familiar. Tucker,
00:31:17
Speaker
when he was trying to get, when he was thinking about going to see Kyle Mooney, when he came to Chicago was like, if I drove to Chicago, would you come with me? And I'm like, I don't really know that much about him. He sent me like a bunch of his stuff. The Kevin Hart comedy club one, um,
00:31:33
Speaker
winning rabbi andnye Did you see that one? Did send you that one? what do he has a ramp about old kanye That is very funny. It's very good. You did send me one of the man on the street interviews about hip hop, I think.
00:31:45
Speaker
Rap versus rock. Which one's better? Yes, that one. Yes, that's the one. But you've been a SNL fan from before then, right? When you were in high school, because Steven and I used to do skits in high school, like for talent shows. We'd write them at the lunch table and then perform them in front of the school. We would perform SNL-style skits during talent shows and shit.
00:32:09
Speaker
yes I have photographs of you and I in like exercise gear doing it. Can you you send those to Steven so he can put them on the Patreon?
00:32:20
Speaker
ah shi and My favorite one is the one, the infomercial for the line of cereals based on the four basic food groups or all the food groups. you guys do it? Are you guys going to do it right now? Do you memby it?
00:32:33
Speaker
No, I just want to do like Weedios or something like that. Yeah, it was Steakos. Steakos. Wow. Instead of milk, you would pour over Moo Juice, which you you described as Sloppy Joes in a blender, as I recall.
00:32:47
Speaker
That's fantastic. There was Pudgy Puffs, which was the one with my face on the box because I am pudgy. But aver yeah. Yeah. Then we had our like the fruits and vegetables we combined together. So there was like the taste of Italy, which was like asparagus and white grapes. That was the one. But like all of them were like a fruit and veggie combo. Yeah. So it wasn't like just a fruit cereal. It was fruit and veg. Yeah. It was it basically were just existed for us to make everyone. We were 16 years old and we were maniacs.
00:33:17
Speaker
Fantastic. Yeah. Yes. And now I'm 43 and I still do shit like that. So yeah, I was going to say, yeah, now, now I'm 42 and I just talk about movies in in the dumbest way possible on, on podcasts.
00:33:29
Speaker
So. um But yeah, so I did have a passing familiarity with Kyle Mooney, but my my fandom is not as deep as yours, um as as either of yours. there I was familiar, yes. Like, I knew this was a movie that he had done, and I had heard of this movie before. I remember when it came out, I was an avid film spotting listener, and they talked about this movie a lot when it first came out. So it was always kind of one of those that was on my radar and one that I knew I would get to eventually.
00:33:58
Speaker
So if nothing else, I'm glad I finally had the excuse to sit down and actually watch the damn thing. Well, and you know, I said that sports is a masterpiece, and it is, but ah honestly, this is the crowning achievement of Kyle Mooney's career thus far.
00:34:13
Speaker
This was in my top 10 films of the year that year. I believe in it. Like and it was pretty high. It was like number six or seven on the list. Honestly. Yeah. It would probably make mine to be in 2017 was a good ass year.
00:34:27
Speaker
I would agree with you on that, but I would add the caveat of, I think that in several different ways because it's nothing like it, but Saturday morning, all star hits, I think is as perfect as this. That is a lot of different in a different way. In a different way, because that's perfect. That's the, that's Kyle Mooney's opus.
00:34:47
Speaker
Yeah. but they're But they're kind of kindred spirits when you think about it, because his he's talked about his love for Saturday morning cartoons and like weird weird public access TV programs and stuff like that, which is what gave him the idea to to make Brigsby Bear, which is also what spawned the idea for that animated series as well.
Creative Influences and Collaborations
00:35:09
Speaker
So ah you know that and this are kind of kindred kindred spirits in that way. Someday, i don't know how long it's going to be. It could be days, weeks, years, decades.
00:35:21
Speaker
People are going to discover Saturday Morning All-Star hits. Is it still on Netflix? They're going discover it. Yeah. yeah Because it's a Netflix original, right? So they're never going to get rid of it. Yeah, okay. That's what thought.
00:35:32
Speaker
They're never going to get rid of it and they're never going to release it on physical media. Well, that's true. People will finally start commonly using the term Zuzzy Zazz.
00:35:43
Speaker
And all will be right in the world. It just takes time. Some of these things take time. There's little tidbits about this film that I'm wondering that I assume Tucker is familiar with, but I'm wondering if Steven is or not.
00:35:58
Speaker
um Steven, do you know? The Muffin Man? Yes. did Don't get me started because my son and my son sings that song all the time. um Oh yeah.
00:36:09
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He's got good taste. So obviously Mooney and Kevin Costello and ah the director, Dave McCary, wrote this thing together.
00:36:20
Speaker
Do you know who Dave McCary is married to? i don't. Emma Stone. Okay. I know who that is. Yeah, and him and Kyle Mooney are like childhood best friends. They're still best friends.
00:36:35
Speaker
So i love together I love the concept, the the idea that Kyle Mooney like goes to Thanksgiving at Emma Stone's house. That is really funny, actually. I kind of love that.
00:36:46
Speaker
like That's how he knows Jason Fielder, right? Yeah, exactly. Because he shows up in in Saturday Morning All-Star Hits. yep he shows Yep. Yeah, exactly. So it's... It's kind of fun that like that those worlds are are entwined in a way. you know and that it that That makes a lot of sense too because that giving him a direct connection to Nathan Fielder, I feel like even though they're not even doing remotely the same thing, they're in the same Venn diagram very close together.
00:37:13
Speaker
Yeah, because it's it's ah a the it's a kind of awkward comedy that is ah rooted in a commitment to the bit you know of not breaking character no matter what and really just like going for it like some Kaufman-esque shit and yeah yeah or even Charlie Kaufman at times yes but But whereas Fielder's brand is a little more acerbic and and kind of biting.
00:37:44
Speaker
ah and And as we've discussed, Mooney's is a little bit more sincere and and kind-hearted and and earnest. but they But I think they are two sides of that same coin.
00:37:58
Speaker
yeah So the similarities do abound.
Celebrity Speculations and Eerie Stories
00:38:03
Speaker
I'm glad they know each other. I'm glad they're that close. They're like two steps away from each other. I'm glad that they exist too yeah yeah in that friend group together. i I'm sure they they have like New Year's parties that they're that all three of them are at. you know what i mean Boy, I'd love to be a fly on the wall. together yeah to yeah Benny Safdie's there too, I assume. Yes!
00:38:22
Speaker
And all those guys are just completely out of character like more than they ever are in their entire lives. And you're just like, wow wow, that's what they're really like. That's what they're really like. i get yeah I have to imagine there is a part of me that's like, that would either be really, really fun were really, really boring.
00:38:41
Speaker
Oh yeah. I feel like they're very introverted and they're just kind of all be standing around, like just kind of holding their drinks going. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Or they're just like talking about really boring esoteric shit. and Like it's like the most mundane conversations you've ever heard. yeah Right. It's one of those two extremes.
00:38:58
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I refuse to believe it's anywhere in the middle. It's it's one of those two extremes. Has to be I'm with you. Yeah. Take that Hagel. Um, ah So yeah, let's let's dig into, now that we're 40 minutes into the episode, let's dig into the movie a little This always happens when I'm on. No, it always happens.
00:39:15
Speaker
it it happens when no one but us is on. It just always happens. Fair enough. This fundamentally who are. I'd love to give you credit, but yeah, that's just who we are. We're bad dudes. I don't like to tell Look, Noah, you know me well enough to know that if it was your fault, I'd tell you.
00:39:33
Speaker
That's true. Yeah, and I have to assume that that this is something that your listenership not only expects, but probably appreciates about your show. hope I hope so. mean, why else would they come back? like Honestly, that's it, really.
00:39:48
Speaker
I was talking to a friend of the show, past and future guest, Devon Taylor, the other day on The Pod and the Pendulum. And he was like, oh, I just listened to your Total Recall episode, and that's got to be the quintessential...
00:39:59
Speaker
like disenfranchised episode. He's like, the whole gang is there. Everybody's talking. Tucker talks himself into liking the movie by the end of it, but he's still like steadfastly trying to like, I hate this. I hate this. But by the end, Devon's like, nah, you don't.
00:40:15
Speaker
And he goes, and then there's a good solid 40 minutes of just talking about Indianapolis. was like, yeah, that sounds like one our episodes. We're talking about what movie theaters we go to in Indy. hundred percent.
00:40:26
Speaker
Well, this one used to be there, but it's in LA Fitness now, and the TGA Fridays across the street closed, They're all elite fitnesses now. Tucker is one of those guys who will be like, yeah, I saw this at the Lowe's Cherry Tree in 1997.
00:40:39
Speaker
I know you did. I worked So like we we do like when we we we did our Exorcist episode for Upsaw Christianity Corner behind the paywall on Patreon. we he He had this big long thing about how he first saw or how he saw The Exorcist all alone by himself at 2 o'clock in the morning in a dark theater um because he was the guy who had to put the projection together.
00:41:02
Speaker
i was the projectionist and I put that film together. and i it it was the It was the re-release and in 2000. The version you'd never seen. you know The first time you got to see the crab walk up the steps.
00:41:14
Speaker
and I put that motherfucker together on a Wednesday and I was like, man I really want to watch this. Because the crab thing. like They've had been talking about it for years. Nobody had ever seen it.
00:41:27
Speaker
And then there was going to be. I was like. like I can see this a couple days before most other people. And so I just popped it on there. And they had remastered the sound on that motherfucker. And the mix on that.
00:41:39
Speaker
makes... That movie doesn't scare me. That movie scared me one time, and it's when I watched it by myself in that theater with the SDDS-equipped theater, and the sound mix on that re-release is very fucking effective. I can i can imagine, yeah. yeah there's There are moments where the mix just completely cuts out to where you can't hear... it's You can hear silence because there's nothing...
00:42:06
Speaker
And it's, oh, fuck, it's creepy. Anyway, recap of that story over. Moving on. Again, we have to let Noah in on the lore. We have to Noah in on the lore. It's true. It's a big part of the lore.
00:42:19
Speaker
it's It's all part of the lore. There is nothing beyond the lore. The lore is all. um So, yeah, knew relatively nothing about this movie going in other than i knew Kyle Mooney and Mark Hamill were in it.
00:42:35
Speaker
And yeah well I didn't know Greg Kinnear was in it until I walked in the room. Oh, what nice surprise when you walked Oh, Greg Kinnear. There's so many nice surprises in this thing, man.
00:42:45
Speaker
The whole movie, I was just Leonardo DiCaprio pointing at the screen like, ooh, Greg Kinnear. Ooh, Claire Danes. Jane Addams from Aptis. Yeah, yes, Jane Addams. Ooh, old girl from Euphoria. Like, I was just, the whole time, I'm like, and my partner's a big Euphoria fan, so I'm like, ooh, you know who that is? And she's like, no. I was like, that's that's old girl from Euphoria. That's looking up the cast of Euphoria.
00:43:07
Speaker
That's, what's her name from Euphoria? I don't remember the name. What an inspired choice of casting to cast. Really? to cast Matt Walsh and Michaela Watkins as his parents, to have people who are who typically comedians play his parents, and they, for the most part, are playing it straight.
00:43:27
Speaker
You know what i mean? And they're they're really not there to do comedy, but they are but their their trade normally is in comedy. And i just I love that choice of casting because they're both really terrific in the film.
00:43:40
Speaker
and And because I'm a big Todd Salons guy, I love... every time I see Jane Addams in anything, I get excited. See, I know Jane Addams because I'm not a big Todd Sollins guy. ah When I see Jane Addams, I immediately think of Frasier, which is the first place i saw her. Okay. As Niles' substitute Maris girlfriend after he divorces Maris.
00:44:01
Speaker
I see. Yeah, well, once you've seen Happiness more than once, like, She just gets ah seared into your brain for that for that specific film. I have seen Little Children, and I think she's really, really strong in Little Children.
00:44:15
Speaker
Oh, that's right. She's in that. um She's the girl that Jackie O'Haley takes out on a date. Yeah, ah that is Todd Field, who directed Tar. Yes, correct. Yes. And in the bedroom.
00:44:28
Speaker
yeah Yes, and stars in Eyes Wide Shut as the pianist. Yep, that's right. He is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like you have to enunciate a little better on that word if you're talking about eyes wide shut.
00:44:40
Speaker
A penis? See, you still rushed through it. He plays the penis in in Eyes Wide Shut. Yep, the question is which one? Yeah. The good looking one. You gotta really look.
00:44:52
Speaker
gotta pause and check. Zoom in. Zoom and enhance. Hmm. um A movie famously at where ah there's a lot of CG underwear in that movie.
00:45:03
Speaker
yeah the c Like the CG bra strap they put on Terry Hatcher in the TV release of the the that one James Bond movie that she's in where she's married to Jonathan Pryce.
00:45:15
Speaker
I forget the name. of the world yeah ah the worlds Tomorrow Never Dies. Tomorrow Never Dies. There you go. God, those those Pierce Brosnan movies all kind of run together for me. I know Die Another Day is the worst one, but yeah.
00:45:27
Speaker
After Goldeneye, they're not great. um
00:45:31
Speaker
i i'm so I'm sorry. Now I'm now i'm thinking about James Bond. No, i love i loved Matt Walsh, one of the one of the founders of the Upright Citizens Brigade, if I'm not mistaken. Correct. Him and Amy Poehler.
00:45:44
Speaker
Yep. And I think there are a couple other guys in there too. Matt, there's another Matt. Shit, I'm um sorry. I'm sorry to the other two founders of the Upright Citizens Brigade. Yeah, yeah.
00:45:56
Speaker
Whose names are escaping me right now. He's also in, Matt Walsh also in Veep as well, if I'm not mistaken. Yep, pretty good in Veep. mean, he just, he's in so much stuff. But when I see his face, Upright Citizens Brigade is the first thing I think of, you know.
00:46:12
Speaker
He's such a great utility player. in so many things. Like, I think he's in the 2016 Ghostbusters is one of the, him and Michael, ah Michael Kenneth Williams, the third are like the cops in that movie. And like talk about just a weird, odd couple of a, of a pairing, like yeah the year before this actually is, is, and, and I mean, he's just, he's, he's one of those great that guys.
Cameos and Acting Prowess
00:46:32
Speaker
And when he shows up, regardless of what he's doing, even if the script is bad, he's going to do something that's going to make you laugh or something that's going to stand out. um In this one, it's not so much the laughter as, again, he's playing the earnestness and the truth of the thing, which, again, if you want someone who can play comedy, get a comedian. If you want someone who can play drama, get a comedian. They have such an inherent sense of timing that it's not difficult for them to play both sides of that coin.
00:46:59
Speaker
Yeah, he's really good in this. he's really and Another interesting piece of casting is Claire Danes as the therapist. It's such a small role for somebody who's that high profile.
00:47:11
Speaker
It feels like someone's doing a favor for someone. it kind of feels like sort of a, I don't know, not a something where you, it's just someone you know.
00:47:22
Speaker
i felt was she a producer on this? why It's quite possible. on this It's quite possible. I'm looking. Let me take a look here. um
00:47:33
Speaker
I don't think she was, but you know who was ah Chris i do Miller and Phil Lord of the yeah it's a Lord Miller family Andy Samberg and Akiva Schaefer and Jorma Ticconi as well so That's Schaefer, but yeah, it's a Lonely Island classic It is It says so at the beginning It is, yeah. In Sony Classics font and everything. I quite enjoy that.
00:47:58
Speaker
Yeah, the Sony Pictures Classic logo shows at the end of the movie because, yes, I stayed through the credits. yeah Yeah, you did. Thank Hell yeah, I did. You're welcome. Those people deserve respect. They worked really hard on that, Steven. Look at their names go by.
00:48:11
Speaker
Look at them. I did. I did. I did. Tucker. No, I believe you. No, it's cool. It's fine. Claire Danes, not a producer on this, but yeah, again, it just kind of, there's a lot of that kind of like come in for a day, shoot, shoot a few things and, and just kind of be done. Like that really feels like Claire Danes in this movie. It kind of feels like Tim Heidecker in this movie as well.
00:48:34
Speaker
Just come Heidecker. Heidecker was definitely just, you know, one day. Cause he's basically just playing the, the Gordon Bombay character and the, yeah and that the movie that they go see. Yeah.
00:48:47
Speaker
in the The movie within the movie is directed by Yorm from the Lonely Island. yeah Yeah. He directed those scenes. Yeah. So funny. ah Tim Heidecker is just, it's that's great he he's ah he's a legend as well.
00:49:02
Speaker
The co-host of my show, he is the world's biggest Tim Heidecker fan. like That's who he models his whole persona after. he he watches Office Hours every day? Every day.
00:49:14
Speaker
He doesn't watch the Oscars anymore because he only watches the on-cinema Oscar special that they do during the Oscars. Him and him and and him and neil Hamburger.
00:49:25
Speaker
ah Oh, God. yeah Yeah. You love that guy. I don't know if I want to watch that. I remember Neil Hamburger from the website that he had when I was in high school.
00:49:37
Speaker
the yeah the The one about ninjas. If I'm thinking of the same guy. What's his real name? All of a sudden I can't think of his real name and I know it. i I wouldn't even be able to tell you. He's the guy. He's in the sloppy suit and he's got the greasy hair and he's got the mustache. and That's the Neil Hamburger character. but Yeah, he always seems so moist.
00:50:01
Speaker
He's another moist guy. but yeah i can't think really More oily than like wet from rain, which is what Kyle Mooney seems like. He just somehow caught a rainstorm that no one else did in those interview segments.
00:50:15
Speaker
ah Greg Turkington. Oh, wow. We got there at the same time. Ant-Man and the Wasps, Greg Turkington. Yes, I love i love Greg Turkington.
00:50:26
Speaker
If you've not seen his film, it's probably from around the same year as this, called Entertainment. And he's the star of it. So good. That movie is very, very good.
00:50:37
Speaker
Anyway, putting it on my list. Yes. Because I actually have a list. It's directed by, i believe it's directed by Lenny Abramson. Oh, really? Okay. Yeah. What was it called? Entertainment?
00:50:49
Speaker
It's just called Entertainment. And it is very good. Very good film. um Fantastic. It's on the list now.
00:50:58
Speaker
Consider it listed. Would you or would you not watch Brigsby Bear if it were an actual show? It's directed by Rick Alverson, by the way, not Lenny Abramson.
00:51:10
Speaker
And it's from 2015. Would I watch Brigsby Bear if it were an actual show? No, it's not my cup of tea. It feels very much like the show just in terms of his devotion to it and the production value that we see of it. It reminds me very much of the television show that the main characters in. I saw the TV glow were kind of obsessed with.
00:51:32
Speaker
Yeah. a little bit like that seems to even be a little more high budget than well. Again, we we find out spoilers for the first 10 minutes of Bringsby bear, I guess that um Mark Hamill, the man who kidnapped Kyle Mooney as a child in in an effort to kind of keep him sheltered, um has been basically filming a television show and has filmed literally hundreds of episodes of this television show.
00:52:00
Speaker
Almost 300 episodes. Yes. On a weekly basis for this kid. and he's been voicing all the characters except for ah the the the twin sisters, both played by the Smile Sisters, played by Caitlin Child.
00:52:17
Speaker
um What about the other one? Who who played the other twin? Caitlin Sheel plays that too. That was a joke, Steven, because in the movie, he at first he doesn't understand that it's only one person.
00:52:29
Speaker
So let me say something about Caitlin Sheel really quick. yeah this is ah This will be a short digression. So a movie that I absolutely love um is called Christine. It stars Rebecca... um Rebecca Hall.
00:52:43
Speaker
And it's about Christine Chubbuck. I know this. Yes. Tucker, if you don't know who Christine Chubbuck was, she was a newscaster in the seventies who shot and killed herself live on the air. What's this movie called again? It's called Christine.
00:52:57
Speaker
and It's going on the list. And Rebecca Hall's performance in this is, she should have at least been nominated, if not won that year for this movie. And she almost got nominated. I have a feeling she was like sixth or seventh.
00:53:09
Speaker
but um had to admit But anyway, it's it's an incredible, incredible film, incredible performance. The same year that Christine came out, there was also a pseudo documentary called Kate Plays Christine, in which Caitlin Scheel, who plays the Smile Sisters in Brigsby Bear, is um is like preparing to play Christine Chubbuck in a film.
00:53:33
Speaker
And it's kind of documenting her trying to get in character and really like learn about Christine Chubbuck and kind of prepare to to play this role.
00:53:44
Speaker
And the film follows her as she's you know ah preparing. um And it it's it's kind of shot as a documentary, but it kind of starts to, as the film gets near the end, it starts to bleed into something else.
00:53:59
Speaker
you know where it's It's a really, really interesting film. It's called Kate Plays Christine. And Caitlin Sheel is so good at it. So good See, I have to put that on my list because I really love documentaries that aren't afraid to kind of play with the genre and throw some... Then you will like people as Christina. Kind of play with the reenaction. re Yeah. What's the word I'm thinking of?
00:54:22
Speaker
Reenactments. Yeah. There you go. Thank you. Yeah, there's no there's not necessarily reenactments in this, but there are there are scenes where you can't tell, is this is this part of a documentary or is this her preparing for a scene or is this the actual movie in which she's...
00:54:40
Speaker
been preparing for it starts to really blur the lines near the end it's really cool really really i love that kind of she starts to get like depressed as she's you know kind of descending into this character more and more and you probably also know her uh tucker from ah her ty west appearances in the sacrament and uh his segment in vhs second you know i didn't i didn't i think when i saw the sacrament i wasn't familiar with her yet so i don't remember her in that I fucking love... so Sacrament is one of my top 25 horror movies of the past 25 years. Really? I just made a list of my top 25 horror movies, and the Sacrament is on it.
00:55:21
Speaker
I love that for Ty West, too, because it's an honor to be on your list, Stephen. I'm sure find that. He my list twice. See, I don't like Ty West. I don't like Ty West, and i actually really like the Sacrament.
00:55:31
Speaker
But again, I'm not a horror guy, so... Fair. We were getting along so well. What... He and Bong Joon-ho are the two directors that made my list more than once. Drew Goddard is a hack too.
00:55:45
Speaker
i mean, I'll give you that one. I'm halfway there with you on that. But the but the one about the where it's the hotel and it's Nevada and California. and Times Thiel Royale.
00:55:57
Speaker
Yes, that's fucking really good. I saw giant honey bag that I saw that on my honeymoon while my wife was asleep. And I was just like, it's okay. It's pretty good time at the El Royale. I respect your opinion. I think that it's wrong, but it's also ah super valid.
00:56:14
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And we are friends.
00:56:18
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um But yeah, um she yeah but she yeah so you you probably know her from from those Ty West appearances, Tucker. yeah I'm sitting here looking at her filmography now. But... Yeah, I've heard of both ah Christine and Kate Plays Christine. and i need to I need to sit down with both of those. that That sounds just like a really killer, but also fairly depressing double feature. so Yeah. the the this The film Christine itself is very, very, very good. Michael C. Hall is in it.
00:56:44
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oh that there's There's a couple of really good actors in it. it's It is very depressing. Very, very depressing, but it's very good. Yeah. Right on. Right on. Speaking of things that aren't depressing, though, Briggs be there.
00:57:01
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Real quick, Caitlin Scheel really only gets like one real scene to really like to to really work in. Boy, is she good in that scene, the diner scene. She's so good in that scene.
00:57:17
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hundred percent 100%. Yeah, she she nails it. She knocks it out of the park. um And again, it's that it's that sincerity. Like she's playing it 100% right down the plate and it's it's very effective for that reason.
00:57:30
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um So yeah, I i dig it. i their Their interplay together is real i thought I thought was really, really sweet. um Yeah, and it's it's just another example of when you think people, but the the people that interact with him might treat him with some sort of, maybe not disdain, but like...
00:57:52
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you know, look down on him and and and dismissiveness and that sort of thing. But instead they approach him with kindness or understanding or at least some, some, some compassion and some patience, you know, and it's always refreshing when they do, you're always a little bit surprised and it's always a little bit refreshing. And I just, it's, it's a micro genre that I just, I love to death. And that's one of the reasons that I love this movie so much and that I've always found it so endearing.
00:58:21
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another that and That scene is a really good example of it. This movie also that very much reminded me of this The Straight Story, the David Lynch film, The
Film Comparisons and Directorial Styles
00:58:29
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Straight Story. It's just very sincere, straightforward, no pun intended, but just very, but yeah, also very sweet. And again, it's this movie about this guy traveling across you know several states on a tractor and you're like, people going to be you know rude to this guy, mean to this old guy that's just a sweet old man. And no, everyone's just very...
00:58:51
Speaker
kind to him and he's just very very plain spoken and very straightforward just eating raw hot dogs out of a bag like god bless that guy i bond with his out with straight love him we really don't need to get into the hottest take that i have as a film critic and that is i've never been able to get on board with david lynch wow I can't do it.
00:59:16
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I just can't do it. We're back to being friends again. And The Straight Story is maybe my favorite David Lynch film because it is the most un-Lynchian. It's so beautiful. Yeah. And I'm sobbing like a baby at the end of that movie. when When Lynch died, my wife made me watch all of Twin Peaks with her, including all of the movies in chronological order. Wow.
00:59:39
Speaker
And by the time the thing was over, by the time the Showtime series was finally over, I was like, thank God this thing is on. My didn't even make it that far.
00:59:49
Speaker
Well, because you guys are presenting it wrong. look My partner bought me with the Twin Peaks movie set box set for Christmas. And then she's like, I'm going watch it all with you. We made it an episode and a half in. And she's like, I hate this so much.
01:00:03
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Yeah, I just can't do i i I've tried to enjoy Mulholland Drive. I've watched it two or three times, and each time I'm like, all right, I'm going to like it this time.
01:00:15
Speaker
i did I can't. I do not like Mulholland Drive. You know what Mulholland Drive's got going for it is that it's not Blue Velvet, which is just never a film I ever want to even think about again, honestly.
01:00:27
Speaker
um I'm with you there with David Lynch. like i just It's just not for me. like I do like Twin Peaks. I like the first season of Twin Peaks, and I like The Return. I think the movie is fucking garbage, which we'll talk about in a couple weeks.
01:00:40
Speaker
I think the second season is garbage. There's one episode in the in the the second season, or The Return or whatever, the showtime, the the the new one. There's one episode that is like super weird and trippy.
01:00:54
Speaker
that I think so they kind of rocks. Yeah, with the atom bomb. and yeah yeah Outside of that, I just couldn't do it. I just couldn't do it. I respect David Lynch for like his wild swings and being a unique voice and all of that. It's just, I'm able to admit that it's just not for me, that I'm not the target audience for it.
01:01:16
Speaker
It's just it's not my thing. you know You know what, John? I really appreciate that because in a couple weeks we're going talk about this, and i was going to be a little nervous about saying that kind of stuff, but now that I know that there are others like me. it's not an opinionback david forgotten on stuff and yeah It's not an opinion that i that I put out there very often.
01:01:36
Speaker
And there's some that I've not seen that I think, like, maybe I would like the elephant man. You know what I mean? el um And the one time that I saw, I was in my early 20s and I watched Eraserhead and I was super stoned.
01:01:48
Speaker
I remember enjoying it, but I doubt I would enjoy it nowadays. you know that's Get super stoned would help. Have a baby now. Mulholland Drive is my number one horror movie of the last 25 years.
01:02:03
Speaker
Can't do it. I just i don't like it. i and I do appreciate I don't like it I do appreciate feeling validated, though, because I feel exactly the same way as you. It's like I well you know like I get it and like it's that's really cool. But also it's not always for me.
01:02:19
Speaker
You know, Terrence Malick is one of Terrence Malick's one of my favorite filmmakers. And there's so many people that I talk to that are like, I can't stand any of that guy's movies that that's just garbage that I can't sit through. So I get it. it Different strokes for different folks.
01:02:34
Speaker
Yeah. The world don't move Noah to the beat of just one drum. What might be right for you? Might not be right for some. I mean, a man is born. He's a man of means. But then along come two, they got nothing but genes.
01:02:46
Speaker
He's still going. But they got different strokes. It doesn't surprise me that Steven knows all the words to that song. This is my... This is a power this is my so this is my party trick.
01:02:57
Speaker
Is, you know, the knowing the words to television theme songs. This is... still... I have been stumped. It is possible to stump the chump. And I have been stumped. But I i know a lot of them.
01:03:11
Speaker
Because this boy still doesn't know 227. And that's upsetting. no Oh, man. when When that show was on the air, I lived in a house and our address was 227. Oh, yes. That's such a good show.
01:03:25
Speaker
ah thought hurricane season was over. Yes.
01:03:30
Speaker
Oh, man. I loved all those guys in that show. all those laid up Nell Harper and who was the the younger gal? I don't remember. I was just quoting Pineapple Express. Oh.
01:03:41
Speaker
Damn. Damn. You got Helen Martin. You got Marla Gibbs. You got... Here we go. Hal Williams is in there. Regina King there. Jack A. Harry. Mm-hmm.
Engaging Without Traditional Conflict
01:03:59
Speaker
Jack A. Love Jack I say, what a series. paul Paul Winfield, though. Paul Winfield, one of the all-time greats. One of the best to ever fucking do it. Love Paul Winfield.
01:04:11
Speaker
Kevin Peterhall, a.k.a. the original Predator. Let me recommend 227 for you, not only because you'll really like it, but that you got to learn that song, dude. You got to resurrect and like redeem yourself from not knowing that. They showed it in syndication. And I remember the the TV commercials on television for it was like, 227, five times a week.
01:04:36
Speaker
Yeah. Right on. Fantastic. Get into it. That's your new obsession, Steven. Watch all of 227. Yes, immediately. yes immediately okay like Oh, watch that new King of the Hill, though, too. It's pretty good.
01:04:48
Speaker
Yeah, my partner hates King of the Hill. And so i have to, like, find a time when she's asleep to watch it. Eventually, we're going to talk about Brigsby Bear. oh I don't know. I'm pretty sure Tucker's got a heart out in less than an hour, so...
01:05:03
Speaker
ah If we're going to talk about Brigsby Bear, gentlemen, I would say the time is now. We were't we were talking about Brigsby Bear. I could get us back to how we got there. i was going to say, I feel like Noah's got some stuff he needs to say about Brigsby Bear. So I want to give Noah a platform. Yes, please. I mean, I've said plenty of it. it'll It'll come up as we go.
01:05:23
Speaker
Okay. All right. I adore this movie. So yeah I'll chime in whenever you want. I mean, yeah. and I mean, just with i mean the movie itself... it
01:05:37
Speaker
I also love the statements that it's making on creativity, particularly like in this day and age when literally anybody with a phone can make a movie.
01:05:48
Speaker
ah and you get people making like... movies with decent production values, literally on their cell phone, like Steven Soderbergh, one of the the great filmmakers of this generation routinely just makes movies on his iPhone, and like on a regular basis. Like that's just a valid way of making movies. And so to see this movie about these, or this, this film about these scrappy, ah it's a movie about making movies, which is one of my favorite sub genres of movies.
01:06:16
Speaker
Films about filmmaking. it's It's a list that we've done on our show once before. sure. Films about filmmaking are so much fun. And this is, again, it's another one of those little little sub-genres that this movie very neatly fits into.
01:06:30
Speaker
And this is a great movie about about making movies. um And it helps that you know the people that he's making the movie with, especially though the one kid, Spencer, is just a blast and is a fun, creative kid you know that just really is interested right out of the gate. He wants to borrow the tapes When he's at the party telling him about it, he's genuinely interested, you know, even Meredith's asking questions about it, you know.
01:06:59
Speaker
He's into nerd shit. Like he's got the Star Trek T-shirt. He's got the thing poster in his bedroom. Like he's into the nerd shit. Like he loves this stuff. And so the fact that this is the one of the first quote unquote normal people that he meets outside of his immediate family and the police is is really kismet.
01:07:17
Speaker
This is bizarrely a movie, and I was just thinking about this, a movie with not a lot of conflict. No, because it doesn't really need to be, yeah. I mean, generally good thing you think of conflict he makes for interesting screenplays, makes for interesting writing, makes for interesting films.
01:07:34
Speaker
This is still an engaging and interesting movie, but the conflict is almost non-existent. Yeah. like Outside of like the fish out of water subplot in it that that kind of runs throughout it, the only real scene of conflict per se is when they he does the explosion and the police come.
01:07:54
Speaker
Right. And that's pretty much it. And then he's at the police station saying like, like ah the the marijuanas, that was all my mine. Nobody else should get in trouble. you know, that sort of thing.
01:08:05
Speaker
Right. Yeah. And you take him the fall, which, again, further endears him to this group of teenagers. I mean, his sister is also like, you know, you're old, hang out with people your own age. Why are you hooking up with Meredith?
01:08:16
Speaker
Yeah. Like shirt like that. um Well, because he's. I mean, even like like emotionally and socially, he's even younger than that. Really? Yeah. He's in a state of arrest development. So, Yeah.
01:08:30
Speaker
um You know, Stephen, you asked if we would watch the TV show Brigsby Bear, if it were a real show.
Musical Comparisons and Soundtracks
01:08:37
Speaker
ah Let me posit a question to you. The Brigsby Bear movie that they make, I think it actually looks kind of cool. I would watch shit out of that.
01:08:47
Speaker
It does look good. I kind of want to watch it. Yeah, like that that like that like salt mine that they're at where they shoot that fight sequence at, that looks really good. There's some lens flare in that shot. It looks kind of cool.
01:09:01
Speaker
Speaking of TV theme songs, I was listening to the Brigsby Bear theme at the over the end credits, and it sounded remarkably... Do you know what I'm about to say, Tucker?
01:09:13
Speaker
No. Sounded remarkably like the theme song to Disney's Gummy Bears. Interesting. Oh, okay. No, now that you mention it. I'm listening to it and I perked up and I'm like, Gummy Bears?
01:09:27
Speaker
Did they sign this after Gummy Bears? It's got that same kind of rhythm. Gashing and caring, courageous and caring, faithful and friendly. Of course he knows all the words. All through the forest they sing out in the forest.
01:09:41
Speaker
um I had it pulled up earlier. It's David Wingo. Yes, David Wingo. wing go Yeah, David Wingo did all the music. He did the music for... One of his best scores is Take Shelter, starring Michael Shannon and Jessica Chastain.
01:09:56
Speaker
Another Michael Shannon film, Midnight Special. Yeah, he did that, with which, yeah, those are both directed by Jeff Nichols. um But yeah, ah David Wingo and Explosions in the Sky, they do a lot of scores together.
01:10:09
Speaker
David Wingo used to be in a band called Ola Pedrida. um So yeah, Wingo just makes really cool scores. And that's another one of the bonuses on this film is that the music's really good.
01:10:20
Speaker
you know and's I think it's sparse and not overwhelming. I think that helps too. But it also, I think it kind of sells some of the more comedic moments and and makes them feel more sincere than they would maybe without it.
01:10:36
Speaker
Absolutely. That's a really good point to make because it's never a comedic score. It's not like Little Bells and like it's not like a Wes Anderson. li on right It's that slide yeah yeah slide whistles and shit. It's it's a sincere score which underscores those comedic points and lets them actually like breathe.
01:10:56
Speaker
It's a, it's a perfect score for a movie like this too. Yeah. Yeah.
Mark Hamill's Versatility and Fandom Themes
01:11:01
Speaker
I, I like Mark Hamill. I love just about, I, even if the movie he's in is terrible, which a lot of them are, he is generally very good. And i feel like he's such, he's able to play both comedy and pathos so effortlessly And then just his ability to put on like a man of a thousand voices, like just able to do, and just fall so effortlessly into like the Brigsby bear voice, ah like the drop of a hat at the table when they're, when he's recording them in prison.
01:11:33
Speaker
And that's sweet reconciliation moment because you're you're expecting him to be angry But the whole time, you know that he still loves these people because they're the first parents he ever knew. And despite and they love him.
01:11:47
Speaker
And they love him, too. That's what's also so weird. That's what's so great about that scene is that the very beginning of that scene, that for the majority of that scene, it's Hamill in his dramatic mode.
01:11:59
Speaker
And he's so good in it. And it's poignant. And then he just breaks right into the Brigsby bear voice. And it's kind of funny, but also sweet because he's willing to do it. It's just that scene has layers in it. And and those layers are, are there because of how strong a performer Mark Hamill is.
01:12:18
Speaker
It's what makes this movie is so effective and affecting is the way that it's able to layer that and interplay that. So again, so effortlessly, I'm sorry, Tucker. Yeah. Well, and I think out of everyone, Mark Hamill has the hardest job. Like, he has to play this person who literally took someone's child.
01:12:34
Speaker
But we still, like, kind of empathize with him in that moment. We're like, you know, black what's black and white? Everything's gray, man. Yeah. Yeah, because you know that he actually loves him.
01:12:47
Speaker
You know that he loves him. You know that he didn't ever abuse him or anything like that. That they cared for him as best they knew how or thought they were doing the best for him. That sort of thing. So, like, you know, he's not... He's a shaded villain in, in like, scare quotes.
01:13:02
Speaker
You know, there's like, there's so much nuance to that character. He's not just a bad guy, even though the jumping-off point for the whole movie is that they didn't...
01:13:14
Speaker
He did something very, very bad. you know it's just it's There's so much nuance to that character, and you need but you need a performer of Hamill's caliber to pull that off. I was thinking a more grossly comedic version of this movie is the television show Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, where you have a child who's pre basically raised in a bunker by ah by ah a zealot.
01:13:37
Speaker
And, you know boy much you know, a very different kind of scenario behind it, but still that kind of fish out of water. Everything's new. Everything's different. Everything's weird. Yeah, but that's that is based on hijinks.
01:13:50
Speaker
and this No, that's what I'm saying. height Yeah, exactly. This is a movie without hijinks. This is a character study. You know what I mean? for 100%. And it's it's it's an incredibly well done one. Like, what And it also plays on, I mean, so many things, like the things it has to say about the creative process, I love.
01:14:08
Speaker
The things it has to, and like how everyone kind of fits into the role. Like he he's able to find so effortlessly and easily the right people he needs to do the project he wants to do. But then also the things it has to say about like fandom, like him on the Brigsby Bear message boards or the Brigsby Bear fan forums at the beginning of the film.
01:14:29
Speaker
um And the way that his dad is talking to him about Brigsby Bear and like Jane Addams kind of like puts her hand her hand on his shoulder like, okay, okay. Because he clearly knows this stuff just as well as he does. And so, you yeah, you get the idea.
01:14:43
Speaker
He's the one on the fan forums. He's the one making the show. So when that comes out later, that's no surprise at all. yeah But she wants him to focus on this this this theorem that she wants him to work on. you know Right, which she solves and it's six.
01:14:56
Speaker
um Can you believe Six. six um But yeah, the, yeah, it's just, it, it, it, I don't know. I find it very in like, because this is not a toxic fan. Like this is the ideal, like Kyle Mooney's character, James is kind of the idealized fan. Like so often fandom is, is so surrounded by like toxicity and, you know, hatred for the thing. And I can't believe that we're doing this with, you know,
01:15:25
Speaker
women or people of color or or queer representation like you know how dare you put that in this thing i loved as a kid whereas this guy is just like oh yeah everything brings me very awesome i love it it's it's great and i want to make more of it because i love it so much yeah it's just so pure and i i but that's the kind of fan i would love to be and i wish everyone kind of was yeah and that's another yet another thing that's so endearing about it is that it's about it's a it's a movie about fandom also and like a really genuine love for a thing whatever your obsession is you know it could be something entirely different it doesn't even have to be brigsby bear it could be something else but like
01:16:09
Speaker
God damn it, I love this friggin' movie. I was looking at my list. was looking at my list of 2017. It's number eight on my list of the best films of 2017. In fact, and this is gonna, again, ruffle some feathers.
01:16:23
Speaker
Number nine is Get Out. I have this right ahead of Out. Oh, wow. okay I would put this ahead of Get Out. I'm a guy who actually likes us better than Get Out, but that's a other ballgame.
01:16:36
Speaker
Okay. I mean, I like the quote. I put it just below, but yeah. this What about, no where is no on that list? I don't love Nope. I think Nope is good. I think it's number Nope is third of three for Jordan. agree. Yeah, me too. I agree. um But yeah, this was, the Get Out was nine, Briggs Beers eight, Florida Project's number seven, so it's right beneath that.
01:16:59
Speaker
Oh, I haven't seen Florida Project. and Oh, really? there It's still my favorite, Sean Baker. And I love Anora. Not counting Twin Peaks The Return, my my number number one film of 2017 is Phantom Thread, which is a very... that's That's my number one of 2017 as well.
01:17:18
Speaker
There you go. And my number two, that is speaking of speaking to Mark Hamill, my number two, Star Wars The Last Jedi. Oh, my number two is A Ghost Story. Okay, I haven't seen that one either.
01:17:30
Speaker
Oh, that's really good. Shape of Water, number three. Get Out, number five. Mudbound, number six. Baby Driver, number seven. Coco, number eight. Dunkirk, or I'm sorry, Mudbound, number five. Baby Driver, number six. Coco, number seven. Dunkirk, number eight.
01:17:45
Speaker
The Trip to Spain number nine, and Logan at number 10, although I will put Brigsby Bear above about half. was going to say, you're going have to update it now. Since we're doing number one, Phantom Thread, number two, A Ghost Story, number three, Good Time by the Safdie Brothers.
01:18:00
Speaker
I need to see that one, too. Number four, Columbus. Number five, Blade Runner 2049. Number six, Dunkirk. Number seven, Florida Project. Number eight, Brigsby Bear. Number nine, Get Out, and number 10, Lady Bird.
01:18:13
Speaker
Right on. Tucker, what are your top 10 of 2017? I don't have a list of those, but my number one is Briggs B-Bear. Yeah! To the amazement of no one.
01:18:24
Speaker
I love that this is genuinely your number one of 2017 because this is such a good movie. It's such a good movie. It's really good. I even flirted with this thing as high as number five, honestly. but this is To me, this is a per... Not only is it... It's so rare that a film that I'm really in love with is objectively a perfect film.
01:18:47
Speaker
And so Brigsby Bear is like that that prime space... Where like, I could show this to anybody. Oh, yeah. And they're going to fucking dig it. you could Anybody. You watch this with your parents and they would enjoy it.
01:19:01
Speaker
Yes. You know, as well as just like your stoner. Maybe not my parents, but yeah. Well, maybe not yours, but mine. I showed it to my my sister's family. So my sister, my brother-in-law, and my nephew, who is 16.
01:19:13
Speaker
We all watched it this winter. Everyone loved it. Everyone loved it. And no matter who you show it to, it's just, it's something that is, yeah it's accessible, but it's like niche at the same time. yeah It's a really special thing. don't know, it's a really special movie. My wife has really weird and picky taste, and even she liked this, so...
01:19:38
Speaker
yeah it's It's hard know. partner was too tired. She didn't quite make it through. but Oh, that's too bad. But had she been awake? It's been a long week. Yes, I know it's Tuesday, but it's been a long week.
Brigsby Bear's Reception and Niche Appeal
01:19:51
Speaker
I wonder what like the Metacritic score for this was because like it seems like such a hard film to dislike. like I wonder what Rotten Tomatoes score was. You know what i mean? like oh We'll get to all of that. okay so let me know where You let me know when we're ready to wrap it up and I'll go through all of that. That's up to you guys, not me.
01:20:09
Speaker
No, no, no. mean, if you've got more to say, I want to make sure everybody gets a chance to say what they need to say about Brigsby Bear. Much like Tucker, I could go on for hours. So let's go.
01:20:20
Speaker
I don't have hours, Steven. Damn. Look, man, ah our guest has hours. We're going to take hours. All right? No, just kidding. i told my wife I'd be downstairs in a little bit. was going to say, I've got to get up at 5.30 to put my kid on the bus, man. Don't fuck with me. In that case, it's going to take us at least 20 minutes to go through the rest of this, to go through our mac or final thoughts.
01:20:41
Speaker
So let's do it. um The Bricks Me Bear opened on... Oh, now everything's got to fucking reload. Damn it. yeah jullly and July 14th, 2017. It was a post-4th of July one, yeah.
01:20:57
Speaker
Just before my birthday. Really strange night was it that it was a mid-summer release. Because this definitely seems like something the studio would have just dropped in like March or April. You know what I mean? Well, it wasn't yeah it wasn't a super wide release, though. So I don't think they were... that's true.
01:21:14
Speaker
kind of looking for that audience. They were looking for like the art house theaters, I think. Yeah, it it got it only opened on three theaters and then it it didn't get above ah the max it got into was 408. So it didn't get that. It's still decent chunk.
01:21:30
Speaker
Right. ah It opens in the box office. It's opening weekend. how on. Let me. it It doesn't even make the top
01:21:42
Speaker
92 films of its opening weekend. That's because it was only in three theaters. a theater Come on, man. Do you want me to do the first weekend at open wine? Yes. Oh yeah. Yes.
01:21:53
Speaker
I feel like that's more fair. They'll be like 30s or 40s. No, it'll be like number 10. No, dude, no. It's got Mark Hamill in it. It's got Kyle Mooney in it. It's got Claire Danes in it. and look all right I'm going to jump ahead to August 3rd then. hang on okay all right I'm just saying, like if you don't have an art house theater around you,
01:22:14
Speaker
like You're lucky. You live in Indy. You used to have the the key cinemas there, or Keystone. And then you had... I'm on the south side. And then you had... Look at July twenty eight that weekend because that's when it opened wide. yeah yeah go yeah i just pulled that up. so it it in it's in its first In its first weekend of wide release, it opens at 39...
01:22:35
Speaker
thirty nine ah yeah tucker's right now because I just looked at the box office for this thing and it's frigging depressing. yeah It is very depressing.
01:22:47
Speaker
It opens to, again, 39,000, think the number I just said, ah on its way to a domestic gross of 515.8 thousand. point eight thousand It gets about ah another not quite $150,000 international for grand worldwide office $665,000. That's right.
01:23:05
Speaker
not a hit. It's...
01:23:10
Speaker
thousand dollars that's right so not not a huge hit it's um The distribution was purchased for $5 million, which was more than and more than twice the budget.
01:23:23
Speaker
So it it probably still didn't even make its money back on the... Yeah, this movie made less than $700 grand. This movie lost a lot of money. ah But yeah, so box office wise, yeah, I probably did not even make back its budget.
01:23:38
Speaker
um So yeah but this is critically this istly acclaimed, but not you know ah like audiences didn't show up for it. But again, I don't think it was particularly well marketed. Yeah, so hit me with the critics numbers here.
01:23:52
Speaker
Yeah, well, let's do that let's do the top five at the box office first. and Number one, holding its place at number one for the second week in a row, ah one of both a movie that made both of our lists for 2017, Noah, Dunkirk.
01:24:06
Speaker
ah To War, George, To War. Still haven't seen that one. Really? ah yes. I own it It's on my shelf. I love Chris Nolan. Yeah. I don't know. Rian Johnson came along and I just kind of wasn't as interested in Chris Nolan anymore. don't know. I'm not like a huge Chris Nolan guy. I think Dunkirk is one of the absolute best things he's done.
01:24:28
Speaker
I really like following. I hate to be hipster about it, but like following is tight as shit. No, don't. You fucking love to be hipster about it. Don't even fucking lie. No, I don't. I just really like that. You and your fucking Aronofsky's Pie is actually Aronofsky's best movie.
01:24:44
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I don't think it's his best, but I do like it. I'm kidding. i put I think I put pie in his top five. In number two, future episode of this podcast, opening new this week, a little film called The Emoji Movie, where Patrick Stewart plays shit. sick that week.
01:25:01
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You're not. I'm sick that week. I You're not allowed to be sick. Nope. How did The Emoji Movie make more money than Brigsby Bear? i it was it It was geared toward kids and had a huge marketing budget behind it.
01:25:14
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oh and it's about emojis. it's Right, and it stars it stars America's favorite celebrity, TJ Miller. um Oh! Oh! oh
01:25:25
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In third place in its second weekend, down from number two the week before Girls Trip. ah In fourth place, new this week, Atomic Blonde. Probably also a future episode of this podcast.
01:25:36
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that soon. To be real honest. Yeah, I heard that too. Haven't seen it. Saving it for this podcast. um In fifth place, I think it was my birthday movie that year, Spider-Man colon Homecoming.
01:25:47
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In four weeks, it's earned... Almost $300 million. dollars And it's down from third place the week before. Rounding out the top 10, you've got War for the Planet of the Apes in sixth place. Despicable Me 3 in seventh.
01:26:03
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Future episode of this podcast, Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets. And number eight. I hear that's pretty fun. I hear that's actually pretty fun. It's Dane DeHaan. I did not enjoy it.
01:26:14
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Dane DeHaan and Cara Delevingne. in yes It's directed by Tucker's favorite filmmaker, Luke Bisson. Yeah, Luke Bisson.
01:26:28
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I wish that I knew what I know now when I was younger. that we are i would not have enjoyed The Professional as much as I used to. and Number nine, um ah movie I love, Baby Driver. and the Number ten, Wonder Woman. That theme, though.
01:26:47
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um The Rotten Tomatoes, the Tomatometer score is an 83% certified fresh for Brigsby Bear. The critics' consensus audiences attuned to Brigsby Bear's strange frequency will be moved by its earnest and endearing original approach to pop culture's impact and the creative urge.
01:27:08
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ah The meta score on this one is a 67. That's lower than i expected. Based on 35 generally favorable critic reviews. And Tucker, we're moving on to Letterboxd. Would you care to take a stab at the Letterboxd score for Brigsby Bear?
01:27:28
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I want to take a stab when he's done. Okay, go. You may. Okay. Brigsby Bear... 2017 memes plus the internet.
01:27:40
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He's doing the math. He's got a.5 radius that he can guess within. This is between 3.7 and a 4.2. Fuck. Noah? he's got a point five radius that he can guess within this is
01:27:53
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this is between it oh fuck this is between a three point seven o
01:28:01
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and four point two fuck noah Is that your final answer? See, I'm not doing a radius. yes I'm going to nail it right here. Ready? Okay, yep.
01:28:16
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3.8. Noah, I'm thinking you're cheating because it is in fact a 3.8, which means you both got it. Wow, that's fantastic. First double win. It is a 3.8 on the letterbox scale, which means it's now time for us to rate this film out of five stars.
01:28:35
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Noah, as our guest, I'm going to give you first write a few first refusal. What is your rating of Brigsby Bear out of five stars? It's a five, baby boy. Fuck yeah, dude.
01:28:48
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Tucker, I don't even think I need to ask. Okay, and I didn't, in fact, need to ask. With a bullet, full stop, five stars. it's It is only because it's my first watch. I gave it a 4.5 because I am reticent to give most movies a five star on my first watch, but I gave it a 4.5. That's still impressive.
01:29:10
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Honestly, if I'm being honest, it's probably a four and a half also. and In fact, I think that's probably what my letterboxd greed is, but Tucker talked me into saying five. It's a five. He has that effect on people. It's perfect film.
01:29:21
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he He has that effect on the weak-minded. Yeah. If I'm being totally honest, there's it's got a little bit of pacing issues. you know like There's a few plot holes that you if you think about them too much, it doesn't make sense. but oh I'm not worried about that. and perfect film there's some directing There's some directing nitpicking I could do. you know there's There's some pacing and editing that like could be tightened up a little bit.
01:29:45
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It's probably actually a four and a half. but like But really, honestly, you're like you're really nitpicking to try and find things to ding this thing on. Because it's just that good. The shit that you do ding it on, like most of the time you don't even notice it because the rest of everything that's going on is so dope as shit.
01:30:01
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Yeah, it's dope as shit. Dope as shit. Yeah. um So yeah, that's our that's that's our episode on Brigsby Bear, gentlemen. We did it. High five.
01:30:14
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Awesome. um noah uh thank you so much for joining us uh honored as always to have you on again let us know what you want to come on and cover i know we've got you on the schedule for uh unnamed lonely island val kelmer project uh coming up here in the near future later on this year at any rate um but what uh what else have you got have you got going on tell us about what's coming up on the film harmonic where we can find you on social media all that When it comes to being on your show again, send me a list and I'll i' i'll pick through it. And if it's not spoken for, I'll jump on.
01:30:47
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ah we just na here absolutely We just did episode 99 yesterday. That should be out tomorrow. And we're gearing up for our big 100th episode where we're going to be discussing the new Zach Kregor film, Weapons.
01:31:02
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Oh! ah Tucker loves Zach Kregor. I just really like Whitest Kids You Know. And for our pick six, we're we're actually going to do a jumbo pick six. We're going discuss the, we' we're kind of piggybacking off the New York Times' recent ah viral sensation.
01:31:18
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We're going to do our 10 best films of the 21st century as our big 100th episode list. so Wow, of a century. Wow. So we're going to do weapons in the top 10 films of the of the century so far. So,
01:31:33
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Expect me to talk a lot about the master and the tree of life and Briggs we bear, right? Yeah, well, that'd be ah be on Tucker's list. For sure.
01:31:46
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No, I think when I posted my list, I think you you commented, and or I commented, one of us commented, ah I commented on your list and we kind of shared notes, something. yeah We had a conversation about it, I remember, on on one of the social platforms we share.
01:32:00
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Sure, yeah, yeah. Maybe even both, who knows? Sure. But yeah, so yeah, the Film Harmonic, you can find it on any other platforms that's out there. Spotify, Google Play, Apple Podcasts, all that, so...
01:32:12
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yeah We're getting ready to do our 100th episode. Pretty fun. That's really exciting. and are you on any of the socials that you want anyone to follow you on or no? ah Me personally? No, thank you. But you can follow the Film Harmonic at Film Harmonic Pod on the socials. so yeah and if If anybody listens to the show and wants us specifically to do a pick six of a list that of their choosing,
01:32:39
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You could send that to the film harmonic at gmail.com.
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01:32:44
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Six David Lynch films. I'm sure my cohost Andy would love to do that, but I'd come on it. I'd take your place on that one. there you go we would just We would just swap for that week. i have to sigh but yeah I'd sub in for you. You can sub in for me over here.
01:33:04
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do like one of those things with a cartoonist used to do on April 1st where everyone would draw each other's cartoons. Yeah. Yeah, and they'd be like I'd be like, all right, Tucker, we're gonna it's disenfranchised, but I'm taking over.
01:33:15
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And in this version, I'm telling you that there was going to be a sequel to The Thin Red Line. Here we go.
01:33:23
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It's a very Tucker move right there. yeah all of our lore collapses at that point. like yeah right The entire disenfranchised multiverse. and so ah you know Technically, 2052 is a sequel to In the Mood for Love by Wong Kar Wai. This will become um ah disharmonic and then your show will become film enfranchised. film enfranchised.
01:33:53
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Wowzers. like It's like the Amalgam Universe when the DC Marvel. Yeah. he had Dark Claw. This is my third time on your guys' show, and it is so much fun every time I come on, so I can't thank you enough for having me.
01:34:08
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No, thank you so much for coming on. We we love having you on. ah you You're always way more insightful than we are. So thanks for that. Thanks for making us look good. But no, thank you again. check Check out Noah. Check out the film Harmonic. It is a very fun listen.
01:34:25
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I actually i reached out to you shortly after I listened to your episode on Bring Her Back. was like, should I see Bring Her Back? And you're like, eh. And then I saw it and I was deeply depressed by it and it's one of those movies where I'm like, oh, I get why this is good. But also this is not for me. Like this and Hereditary movies, everybody's going to love, but I hate.
01:34:46
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So you didn't like Hereditary? Nope. Not thing. Hereditary is the scariest movie of the 21st century. If you ask me, that movie is terrifying. It's so uncomfortable, but it's, it doesn't depress me though.
01:34:59
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It's terrifying. It's a bummer. It's a bummer. I'm with Steven. It's a fucking bummer. I love it. love it. Not the same way something like Requiem for a Dream is to where I feel like I need to take a shower. No, Requiem for a Dream is soul-crushing. That's not depressing. That's soul-crushing.
01:35:16
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If you have a soul, it will be crushed into dust at the end of that movie. or I told myself i would never watch that movie again. And then I watched that movie again. And you know what?
01:35:28
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It didn't depress me as much the second time because my soul had already been crushed. It already happened. yeah i've I've been meaning to watch it a second time. viability've It's one of those movies I've only seen once. Kind of like Come and See, the Russian War film.
01:35:45
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i I've considered buying that on so many criterion sales and I can't bring myself to do it. can yeah It's one of those movies that just, I watched once and I don't think I'll ever be able to watch again. Yeah. There are a number of movies that I've either told myself I will never watch, or if I do watch it, it's only going have to, I'm only going to be able to do it once.
01:36:02
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Come and see is one of those. Sallow is one of those. Like just like, Gaspar Noe is irreversible. Any Gaspar Noe. Fantastic film, but yeah it's one and done, you know?
01:36:13
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feel that way about Lars von Trier, too. I watched Dogville, and after that was over, I'm like, I don't ever want to do this again. Antichrist is a one and done. yeah Yeah, I can't. After Dogville, I can't do Lars von Trier. I wish Antichrist had been a none and done for me, honestly. I love bleak cinema, but like I can't.
01:36:32
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i can It's not. It's too mean-spirited. It's too mean-spirited. It's man. Why would anyone watch Martyrs more than once? I just don't get that shit. I don't get it.
01:36:46
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yeah It's just... ah I want to see Dogville. I've never seen Dogville. I've always wanted to see it. I mean, it's well made. It's got a good cast. Nicole Kidman my favorite actress.
01:36:59
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She's wonderful in it, but it made me so fucking sad. um it like requi Like the end of Requiem for a Dream. It just made me... Really fucking sad. um Anyway, we're the Disenfranchise Podcast. This has been the Disenfranchise Podcast.
01:37:13
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01:37:26
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01:37:54
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pod I'm your host, Stephen Foxworthy. You can find me on Blue Sky and Letterboxd at Chewy Walrus. ah You can also listen to my other podcast, Wells University, ah with friend of the show, Hope Stow. We talk about ah one of our favorite historical figures, are the late, great Orson Welles.
01:38:12
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And Tucker is our producer. So it's ah it's all in the family. Check that out. It's a lot of fun. We have a lot of fun with it. um And yeah, i think that's all I got right now. Tucker, where can we find you these days?
01:38:26
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I'm still in the same places, YouTube and Instagram at ice 909, I-C-E-N-I-N-E, the number zero and the number nine.
01:38:37
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Also, Tuck Mugs is existing. I was going to say, you've got to get Tuck Mugs. Yeah, you've got to push Tuck Mugs. Tuck Mugs still exists. Tuck underscore mugs on Instagram. We've had a few recent posts. It's been a few weeks, but I've still got some stuff in my back pocket. and Now that I've seized control,
01:38:54
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of the page from my formal social media manager. May he rest in peace. um Yeah, fuck that guy. i think um No, he was a great guy, but you know. Piece of shit. times the Sometimes you just gotta to let somebody go, you know.
01:39:09
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Nah, he's a piece of shit. I just couldn't afford him any anymore is what it was. Which is ironic, because you weren't paying him. That's the really ironic thing. I'm just glad with the tough folks are so around.
01:39:22
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I'm glad that you're glad. That that makes me feel good. and makes me want to soldier on with Tuckmugs. I got a lot of new mug. Oh, it's not in here. Damn that's just put of on there it. I got new shot glasses. I did a theme buy of shot glasses at a Goodwill in Pittsburgh a couple weeks ago.
01:39:40
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It's very fantastic. It's ah cities that aren't Pittsburgh. And I got Chicago, Paris, and... Fairbanks, Alaska.
01:39:53
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Miami Beach. Oh, fun. All at the Pittsburgh Goodwill. You're one of a kind, Tucker. He's something, all right. Tuck underscore mugs on the Instagram.
01:40:05
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um That is the episode of Brigsby Bear. Join us next week. I don't even know what we're covering next week, but we're going to cover something next week. And when we do, you know we're we're going to figure something out. And when we do, you'll hear it right here like you do every week. So until next time, ah for my co-host Tucker, the ever absent Brett Wright, and our very, very special guest Noah East, until next time, remember...
01:40:30
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If you're feeling romantic emotions, only touch your penis or vagina twice a day.