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I-80 Football Show: 2025 B1G Coaches Ranking | Ryan Day is Top Dog + how far did Lincoln Riley Fall?
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In this episode, we rank the coaches in the Big Ten Conference heading into the 2025 season. After the national championship, Ryan Day's position is secure, but should James Franklin or Dan Lanning be the second-ranked coach? After disappointing performances in the Big Ten, how far have Lincoln Riley and Luke Fickell fallen in this year's rankings? Plus, the House vs. NCAA settlement was approved; what does this mean for the future of college football?
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Introduction and Podcast Consistency
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Dante
What's
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What's good, everybody? Welcome in to another episode of Get Defensive Sports Network's I-80 football show. As always, I'm your host, Jordan. I'm here with my co-host, Dante.
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Dante
up, man? how's he How's it going? How you doing?
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I'm all right. I'm chilling. Can't complain. As we said before we started, got on here. The weather was great today. um
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Dante
Yeah, was a nice day.
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which especially here has not been the case and i'm like man it's june middle of june at this point and the the weather hasn't been summering yet so uh definitely you know try to enjoy that but i'm all right how you feeling
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Dante
I'm doing alright, man. Wait, bitch, young man.
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We love to see it. I feel like our last episode, we were like, yeah, we're going to be here every week. going to be consistent. And then we missed a week.
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Dante
I'm doing alright.
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But you know what?
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Dante
It wouldn't be us if we didn't.
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Now we can say firmly, we're not going miss any more weeks. there was There's going to be a week or two that we're going to have to
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Dante
Mm-hmm.
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pre-record but you know we we're getting it's the middle of june which means the preview magazines are about to come out which means our preview season is about to start i just planned our preview season as far as when the episodes are going to drop and everything like that and as always it works perfectly up to the season have a i think it's gonna we're gonna do four well our preview is really five episodes for those of you who are new We have one episode where we just sort of do big questions.
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And then we do four episodes where we break down each team. And I want to emphasize each team because there are not that many podcasts, if any, who talk about every single team in the Big Ten the way that we do.
Preview Season and Big Ten Focus
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We preview every single team. and And then it just comes up perfectly where we preview week one. So we're almost in the swing of things now.
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Get Defensive Sports Network
We are maybe a month or so out from preview season. But yeah, I'm ah um i about to start looking at Barnes & Noble for the magazines. One of the other magazines that I get and share ah should be released soon. So like it's almost here.
00:02:23
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We do still have to deal with the... the dead month of July as we're in the middle of the NBA finals. There's going to be a month where there's nothing on, but like women's basketball, which in baseball, cause hockey will be over and basketball will be over.
00:02:38
Dante
it.
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But, uh, you know, we, we, we get through it and you will get through it by listening to this podcast. So
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Dante
we'll make we'll we'll we'll godget to it Because again, this is pretty much a
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as,
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Yeah, as we always
NBA Finals Analysis: Youth vs Experience
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do. All right, so to start with our traffic update, and and because I mentioned it, the NBA Finals are happening. ah We are two games...
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Dante
I actually got it up right now.
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Yeah, I do too. We are two games in. The third game is happening literally as we are recording. um How do you feel about...
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The first... I mean, because we haven't talked about it at all. How do you feel about the matchup? How do you feel about the first two games? um Any thoughts about what's going to happen next?
00:03:22
Dante
So I didn't see the first game. I knew it was on and just continue to forget to like turn the game on. So I missed the first game, but you know, the blowout, what was it? A 15 point lead.
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Dante
and Indiana got one of them every series series so far, like one or two of those games, every series. um
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Dante
And then what was it? Just a, uh, a complete kind of dominance through and through wire a wire for OKC. um The matchup is actually interesting, least from my perspective.
00:03:57
Dante
I've seen a lot of people say, matter of fact, I've seen your other co-host say that or may have thought that, or maybe it was you, i'm I'm not sure, I didn't watch the whole thing, but things that OKC is too young to be in the finals.
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That was my other co-host. Yeah.
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Dante
That was your other co-host, yeah. um You know, the the thing about that that, like, ah ah just I just don't like is ah what point at what point do you like you have to get there at some point, right?
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yeah
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Dante
i
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Dante
It has to start at some point. And I saw somebody that said that, like, ah she had said they were young. The first OKC team was young, and they made it to the finals. um Kobe and Shaq.
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Dante
Kobe was young.
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Dante
LeBron James wasn't that old when he went to his first. well Actually, LeBron James was very young when he went to his first finals.
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yeah it was uh year four oh right 20 he started in 20 2000 right
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Dante
Yeah. yeah um oh The Golden State Warriors were very young.
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two thousand
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Dante
no one Again, ah people a lot of people forget that no one expected the 2015 Warriors to win the championship, let let alone ah to be there, let alone winning.
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right
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Dante
So it usually happens like this. And the thing is, is that this is a young, this is a young players league. It's been that way for about a while now. Again, Giannis young, Jokic young.
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Dante
um
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Dante
so The Boston Celtics have been doing this since the jump. They've been young and been in the conference finals and, or in the finals and they've been young. i don't, what are,
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Dante
What is it?
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Well, so I think that, i and this, again, it's not my point, but I think the point wasn't so much like young to be there, more so young to win it, in that like some of the teams that you mentioned lost the first one.
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Dante
What do you mean?
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Dante
i don't understand it.
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Like LeBron got bounced. ah The Celtics got bounced a couple of times. Obviously the Warriors won, won't do revisionist history, but there's the conversation that some people will have, which I will not have because I do not believe in discrediting championships.
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about like all the injuries on the Cavs, OKC loss. I think it's so much like you get the Mavs were technically young last year, and they lost going up against the Celtics, who had been there multiple times.
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Dante
That was their second time there.
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So i think yeah I think it was more of the conversation.
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Dante
That was only their second time there to the finals last year.
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Yeah, no i well, I mean, yeah. Again, like I said, not my point. But I think the thought is so much not that it's like a lot of times when these young teams get there, they don't win the first time. they get there again.
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well um mean some don't get back, but typically they have to get back and they win that a second time.
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Dante
But my thing, my and that's fair, but my thing is that they're
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Dante
two or three teams are old in the league right now?
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Yeah. I mean, yeah. I mean, you can't really say that the the Pacers are experienced either, to be honest.
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Dante
At all. So like my thing is that coming out of the East, if you think about all of the teams that were coming out the East, Boston, still a young team, experience at least going to the finals.
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So...
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Dante
You had the Cleveland Cavaliers. And I guess Indiana or like um the Knicks, those four teams. Those were the four teams that people really expect coming out of East. All inexperienced or not that much experience in the playoffs besides the Boston Celtics, but still young teams coming out of the West.
00:07:29
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um the Well, the Knicks would have had Cat, who went to the finals, and ah Jalen Brunson last year.
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Dante
When did Kat go to the finals?
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with Oh, no, Minnesota lost in the Western Conference Championship. Never mind.
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Dante
Yeah.
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ah Jalen Brunson went to the finals? Or no?
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Dante
No, no.
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Yeah, well, I don't know. ah Yeah, no. Well, one of them things.
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Dante
And I mean, my thing is, is that I get it. They haven't had that much, I guess, playoff experience, or at least this is their first finals experience. They are historically one of the greatest defensive defensive teams we've ever seen.
00:08:09
Dante
And they can score. um And again, if you just said it. like At this point, that argument means nothing because the Pacers is even less experienced.
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Somebody got away.
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Yeah. Have we... a why Are they less experienced? They Pascal.
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Dante
At least their best player is. I mean, Pascal's a champion.
00:08:29
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Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:08:31
Dante
That's fair. And then Turner is a vet.
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Who...
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Dante
So...
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Luau Dort has made a small runner. Am I tripping?
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Dante
Huh?
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Did Luau Dort get to the finals? Who has he played on?
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Dante
No, just just the Thunder.
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He played on... no, no. no he He got traded. Didn't he play... a
00:08:48
Dante
Dort? No, Dort's always been on the Thunder, I believe.
00:08:56
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I feel like, no, because the Thunder weren't in the 2020 finals, right? I feel like he was on a team that played the late.
00:09:01
Dante
No, that was the Lakers.
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No, no, no. that' Sorry. That's not what I meant. They weren't.
00:09:06
Dante
Mm-hmm.
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They didn't go deep in that playoffs. Wasn't Lou out door in that playoffs. Didn't he play against the Lakers with somebody? Was he on like when Houston was making a run or I think he was on Houston. Didn't Houston make like a a small run for like a half a second. Then they traded everybody away.
00:09:26
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I could be making this up. I remember like when his name came up, it was because he had like a a really good defensive effort for a team that went further than they thought they were going to, and then he ended up getting traded or went to the Thunder.
00:09:38
Dante
NBA career history, Oklahoma City Thunder.
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Oh,
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Dante
Oh, yeah.
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all right. Did the Oklahoma City Thunder make a run that I'm not remembering, or I'm just making this up?
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Dante
Can you ever play for that?
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Dante
ah I don't think so. i don't know about back then. Might have.
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Hmm.
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Dante
Oh, wait. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because that was with paul ah Chris Paul, I think.
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Okay, so it was still the Thunder, but it was when they had that. it would be Yeah, because they they they sort of went up and down. sense. um Yeah, no, I mean, and eventually someone has to win, and I like it because it's forcing the and NBA to finally try to focus on their young stars.
00:10:13
Dante
And Shea was on that team as well. Uh-huh.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, that's right. That's right. That's right. um I knew I remembered the name. like i I knew I remembered.
00:10:21
Dante
But they have playoff experience. So, like, that's why it's like even even then.
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Yeah.
00:10:25
Dante
Like, they're fine.
Stars vs Superstars Debate
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Dante
this is A dynasty has to start at some point.
00:10:28
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Yeah.
00:10:30
Dante
And, again, Lakers dynasty, they are very young.
00:10:33
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So is that is that who is that who you got then? Is that why you're making the point?
00:10:36
Dante
Yeah.
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You got the Thunder?
00:10:37
Dante
Yeah. I'm going with the Thunder. The Thunder is just a better team all around regardless, especially defensively. And that's what truly is important, especially in the finals. Like, defensively is the most
00:10:46
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Yeah. Yeah, i think that I think the other thing for me, too, is just that, like, and we sort of saw in ah game two that, like, and I made the point and in the last podcast on Power 2 that I don't like the Stephen A sports media thing where it's like Tyrese Halliburton's not a superstar because my thing is it's fine to not be a superstar.
00:11:13
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Like, we we got to get out of the media where it's superstar and nothing.
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Dante
yeah
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I think he could sit firmly in the star tier. I don't think he's a superstar because for me, if I was going to define that, I would leave superstar at no more than the top eight players and maybe even less than that.
00:11:28
Dante
Yeah.
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And I don't think he's a top eight player, but I do think he's a star. But to that point, to why it's probably going to be the Thunder is as we saw the last game, he had like six points through three quarters and you just can't do that.
00:11:39
Dante
Yeah.
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Like, it's hard to be, ah like, the best player. I know, like, his effort wasn't bad, and he was trying to get involved in other ways. But your best player can't have six points, especially when the other team's the best player has 30.
00:11:51
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Like, I think he had close – he had, like, 28 through three quarters, and –
00:11:52
Dante
yeah
00:11:55
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Chet had a bad game in game one. He immediately came back, but to the point of like the better team and and also sort of the depth. And I don't care what anyone says.
00:12:04
Dante
Yeah.
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I know in football and in basketball and all these things. And even in baseball, we talk about offense, but like def defense still wins championships. The Yankees lost to the Dodgers because they made a shit ton of defensive mistakes.
00:12:12
Dante
Yeah. and
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The Yankees put up points in the World Series, but they lost that on defense. And nobody even really thinks about defense in baseball, right? Like, in football, the Eagles won the last Super Bowl off the back of their defense. Like, I know we get sort of stuck in this thought with offense, but I still believe it is true that defense wins championships. And to your point, like you said, the Thunder have a historic defense. And...
00:12:39
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ah yeah I mean, they were able to help hold ah someone who I do think is firmly a star to 6.23 quarters. And I don't know, he finished with but it didn't matter.
00:12:47
Dante
Yeah, like Tyrese Halliburton is legit. He's a star, not a superstar, and he doesn't have to be. Again, um Jason Kidd wasn't a superstar, but household name legitimately and and not a superstar.
00:12:54
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Right.
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Yeah.
00:13:05
Dante
And my thing is is, like, being a superstar doesn't always mean anything. ah At one point, Vince Carter was probably seen as a superstar for a second there.
00:13:09
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Mm-mm.
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You hate Vince Carter. Not like hate hate him, but like...
00:13:15
Dante
it's not that I hate.
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like you Yeah.
00:13:17
Dante
It's just like, like, it's, he's just a good example for a lot of stuff. Like, again, I don't think Reggie Miller was ever a superstar, but hall of famer, unfortunately.
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I mean, yeah.
00:13:28
Dante
And, and, and, and is known.
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Did you say unfortunately?
00:13:31
Dante
Yes, I did. Like, cause he really shouldn't be, but it is what it is. Like, and, and, and again, people know him, people, you could, you could have people have stories and things like that. So he has his moments.
00:13:43
Dante
And I, Again, I think Tyler Tyler Burton is a good player, really good player.
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Yeah.
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Dante
I don't think he's consistent enough for this team to beat the Thunder four games out of seven.
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Yeah.
00:13:58
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That's fair. um So sort of related question, but unrelated. oh What do you think about the nickname The Moment? Have you seen that they've been trying to push that?
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Dante
it Yeah, and is the reason why is because they don't want to go with what the people have chosen.
00:14:14
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because Yeah. They don't want to go to Halliband.
00:14:16
Dante
That's why Holly band.
00:14:18
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this is this is This is an independent podcast. We can say it. They don't want to go to Halliband.
00:14:23
Dante
They don't want to use the Holly band.
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Which, I I don't know if you can go on ESPN talking about the Hallibands.
00:14:25
Dante
would
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Yeah.
00:14:29
Dante
No, but and it's a it's a hilarious because I get going with it. It's beautiful. It's a beautiful thing.
00:14:37
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Yeah.
00:14:38
Dante
And it's terrible for marketing. So you can't.
00:14:42
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So what is the what is the genesis of the Highland Band? Obviously, I get the title. But like where did it like what's it relate to how hes probably he plays?
00:14:47
Dante
that It's because ah he it's because it it like he kind of... How do i explain this? It's because they've won these games...
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Dante
be these games where they like come back from a big deficit and one at a game winner, and he's usually a one hitting the game winner. So like it's kind of just like a like ah breaking your heart type of thing, like how how how heartbreaking and sad it was, guess, on 9-11.
00:15:21
Dante
It's a crazy – it's that. It's like because he's he he takes your heart, and at the same time, his name is Halliburton, so it just works.
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Yeah, I got you.
00:15:30
Dante
It just works. Yeah.
00:15:32
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that makes sense. The thing that I was sort of thinking, like, as you were talking and just in general is also like, they were technically right, like, a small force that you expected to kind it sort of get blown out the water.
00:15:44
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And they they put numbers on the board. And I'll just leave it at that. they they put they They put some numbers on the board that people didn't expect.
00:15:53
Dante
Yeah.
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So that that makes sense.
00:15:54
Dante
Yeah, so this is...
00:15:56
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um No, yeah. But the moment, I mean, I don't hate the moment. it does It's a little forced, though.
00:16:00
Dante
It is a little forced.
00:16:00
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And the people are not, like, they're going to do it whatever they want to, but the people are going to do that.
00:16:04
Dante
Of course.
00:16:04
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Also, I don't, where did the moment come from? Because, like, you can't give yourself a nickname. And so, right right, I know, but, like,
00:16:10
Dante
He didn't do it. He definitely didn't do it.
00:16:14
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I guess my question with that, and not that we can have an answer, is it like how some nicknames come where like one of the TV analysts or something like just said it when talking about him? Or was somebody in the media room like, nah, yeah we got to do something.
00:16:27
Dante
We gotta do something about this.
00:16:30
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We got ideas, stats, like...
00:16:32
Dante
We got to do something. coolton Hurry up. We need something because Halle been catching on.
00:16:35
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Yeah. so And that's sort of how... Have heard moment? Do you want to try that out?
00:16:41
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Yeah. Yeah. It may have already been decided. Yeah, was...
00:16:41
Dante
Yeah.
00:16:47
Dante
And I'm not mad at the moment because they make it fits.
00:16:47
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want to ti that out
00:16:49
Dante
It does fit. He he he rises to the occasion.
00:16:50
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yeah
00:16:52
Dante
he He feels like he's built for the moment. But unfortunately,
00:16:57
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yeah it may have already been decided ah
00:16:57
Dante
yeah
00:17:00
Dante
Yeah.
00:17:01
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yeah i was um
00:17:02
Dante
And it's not like he came out was like, don't call me that. Like...
00:17:04
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Right. yeah Yeah. I mean, like, yeah, I, um, yeah, I, I was rooting. I'm, I was and am rooting for the Pacers just because like Indianapolis needs something good to happen.
00:17:15
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Um, and I, I'm not a Pacers fan, but I'm a Colts fan and it's like the Colts have sucked. The owner died. Like, you know, like they could, they could have some. And for me, it's just like, you just pick a team, like,
00:17:28
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But, like, yeah, the Thunder are probably always going to win. But that i was i I was and am rooting for the Pacers just because that's the closest tie I have to either of them is that I'm a Colts fan and they're both from the city of Indianapolis.
00:17:39
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um
00:17:39
Dante
Yeah.
00:17:41
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I mean, they need something good to happen for them, right? And and hopefully hopefully the Colts hear my cries and we go 4-13 and get a quarterback in next year's draft. But, um you know, until then, at least at least they have basketball.
00:17:55
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Which it's Indiana. They should always have basketball. Like they are the the who who's their state? Like they they are the basketball state that hasn't really lived up to the billing.
00:18:01
Dante
Yeah.
00:18:04
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Right. You know
Basketball Regions: Indiana vs New York
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i'm saying? So
00:18:06
Dante
You know, i would have to say ah both Indiana and New York, because both cities feel like they are yeah so
00:18:14
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the like basketball Meccas who haven't, know, I've been like,
00:18:17
Dante
they haven't really lived up to it for a while.
00:18:20
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Yeah.
00:18:20
Dante
I don't
00:18:21
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I mean, think I know you can't always control it, right? and And especially when you get to the NBA, but like you think of some of the players who come from those states and then even the Knicks and things have, or you I guess you can also kind of count the Nets, but I think New Yorkers still think the Nets live in New Jersey.
00:18:30
Dante
know.
00:18:38
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um You think of the players from New York.
00:18:39
Dante
But they're Brooklyn. Yeah.
00:18:41
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Yeah. you You think of the players from New York who have played for those franchises and still it wasn't enough. So that's, you know, What can you do? um
00:18:49
Dante
No.
00:18:50
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Yeah. any Any final thoughts on basketball?
00:18:54
Dante
no
NCAA Settlement and NIL Regulations
00:18:56
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Yeah. ah So in in college football, and I'll be quick on this because we spent a lot of time on this on the Power 2 podcast. And hopefully if you listen to this one, you listen to both. I'm mainly opening this up for your opinions because you haven't had a chance to talk about it. I sort of gave all of mine.
00:19:10
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But the House vs. the NCAA settlement passed, ah which for those of you who don't pay attention or don't listen to both shows, essentially what this is is ah teams can now do revenue sharing.
00:19:22
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up to $20.5 million. dollars ah It also has some, ah and that has escalators to go up to potentially $33 million dollars by 2035.
00:19:25
Dante
Oh.
00:19:32
Dante
Oh.
00:19:34
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And basically the way it works is every three, like there, that it goes up 4% each year.
00:19:42
Dante
OK.
00:19:42
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And then every three years, they can do a review based on the last three years data to say this was too much, or this is not enough. And they can reset the cap. Uh, They have...
00:19:54
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also have um $2.3 or $2.4 million dollars in back pay for college athletes from 2016 to 2014. ah There's other things in there like ah some NIL protections basically saying like, if I am Nike and I want to pay you, Dante, that's fine.
00:20:05
Dante
Oh.
00:20:13
Dante
ja What up, Jay? What up, Senpai?
00:20:14
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I can do that. I can pay you because I'm Nike and Nike's not going to pay someone just anything.
00:20:16
Dante
Mm-hmm.
00:20:19
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But like if you local car dealer want to pay me, like it has to be a value.
00:20:20
Dante
Right.
00:20:25
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They're basically trying to stop the I'm going to give $8 million dollars to a freshman quarterback who's never touched the field. They're trying to get rid of pay for play. So there's a new thing that they're calling NIL Go, which basically means you have to self-report NIL earnings, NIL contracts over $600.
00:20:45
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They go through NIL Go and essentially somehow this company called Deloitte, which is a big accounting firm, they're supposed to set up a sort of – wage scale. That's not the right word, but they're supposed to like, the deal is supposed to be, um, I'm not saying this right, but it's been fair. Thank you for saying thank you to myself, Jesus Christ.
00:21:08
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They are supposed to set up fair market value.
00:21:13
Dante
Oh, okay.
00:21:13
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And so basically you submit these deals. If it's fair market value, it gets approved. If it's not fair market value, they counter. It's almost similar to NFL arbitration and MLB arbitration.
00:21:29
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They counter. And the player can accept the counter or they can go back a second time. if If it gets denied a second time, then it goes to arbitration, which essentially the player is like, hey, I think I should get this. This is what they're saying. Deloitte is saying that it's not fair market value.
00:21:47
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An independent arbitrator will determine which figure is capable. And then they also have some um some things in place to make sure that you don't go over the cap. They don't care how you pay it, but you can't go over the cap.
00:22:03
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And the last thing with this, before I let you give your opinion on it, is they created the College Sports Commission, which is going to be the enforcement arm over the $20.5 million cap that has the 4% escalator and the and NIL fund.
00:22:21
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And basically the way the College Sports Commission is going to work, and it's actually nice to do this today because I just listened to a podcast about it from the Big 12 Commissioner. Essentially, anyone who is agreeing to the revenue sharing is going to have to sign an agreement that says, I am going, like, i will, I'm going to do this.
00:22:42
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And the College Sports Commission has the ability to monitor this. So basically the biggest problem that the NCAA had, right, was enforcement.
00:22:50
Dante
Mm-hmm.
00:22:50
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schools and people could just sue them they're essentially going to sign something that says like we are going to abide by these rules and therefore we are also going to abide by the punishment in my opinion what i think happened because this college sports commission is set up by the power four basically they all went together and they said what enforcement is one going to work and also we can stomach And so they came up with the rules. They came up with the things and everyone has to sign in.
00:23:18
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ah So ideally there's no longer going to be, you got this punishment. Now I'm suing because you agree to it. It's just like, if you go to a gym, you agree to the rules. It's it's just like, if you join a fraternity, right. You agree to the rules, like you're signing into these rules.
00:23:33
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If I'm not in this fraternity, the rules don't matter. But if you're in it, You pay the dues, you do the things, right? Because it's optional.
00:23:40
Dante
Okay.
00:23:41
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um But because you're in it, you agree to give because if the schools don't opt into it, there's no enforcement. And that's the problem that the NCAA had. So all the power for schools are mandating that their schools opt into it because they're the ones essentially creating this.
00:23:57
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Any other school can opt in or opt out. But if you're in it, you have to follow the rules.
00:24:01
Dante
OK.
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And there are going to be penalties such as fines, such as a reduction in salary. ah Basically, they can reduce how much money you can give to your players. ah There's rumors that they can reduce the number of transfers you're allowed to bring in.
00:24:18
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And they can ah the other one that I saw was coach suspensions. The reducing the transfers and reducing the pool makes me believe that like this legitimately came from the schools, because if like the Big Ten wasn't willing to support this, like that rule, like that that wouldn't come up like the Big Ten wouldn't be like, you're not going to be able to tell my schools how that what they can do a transfer. Same for the SEC. So in an ideal world, that's how it would work.
00:24:44
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My spiel is done. Thoughts.
00:24:47
Dante
um
00:24:51
Dante
It's a good thing they finally got something. Because they legit had nothing. So it's a good thing they have something.
00:25:02
Dante
um
00:25:05
Dante
Revenue shares actually makes the most sense. Because the whole thing is is that these kids are legitimately, at this point, a billion-dollar business.
00:25:15
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Yeah, multi-billion dollar business.
00:25:15
Dante
So Yeah. multi Multi-billion dollar business. So revenue shares make something. twenty What is it? 20-something
00:25:24
Dante
million?
00:25:24
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It's 20.5 the first year.
00:25:28
Dante
20.5.
00:25:28
Dante
school gets to pay out to kids as a revenue share.
00:25:33
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yes
00:25:35
Dante
That's hilariously low. But ah in a way, because I think, because again, billion dollar. But fair enough. Um.
00:25:45
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So the thing with that is like, it's ah but it's low for certain schools because like, for example, I don't think Kent State can pay that.
00:25:49
Dante
Yeah.
00:25:52
Dante
Yeah, no, of course, of course.
00:25:53
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But like, you know, like Ohio State, like, come on, they can pay more than that.
00:25:53
Dante
No, get that. That makes sense.
00:25:57
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So, but it's kind of, it's trying to find the balance of anyone who wants to can do it.
00:25:57
Dante
Yeah.
00:26:00
Dante
Balance. No, i get it. Yeah, no. Right. No, that makes the most sense. That does make sense. um I like the idea because, again, it does have a regulation, at least gives some sort of boundaries. Because, again, these kids were just, you know, I can transfer at any time because this school decided to give me $400 million million dollars or whatever. It's never going to be that much. But you know what i mean.
00:26:26
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Yeah.
00:26:27
Dante
But, ah yeah, the... the
00:26:32
Dante
I like the idea. i like where it's going.
00:26:33
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Yeah.
00:26:34
Dante
yeah might be that we'll have to see how it goes, like how it's actually implemented and how that works. But I'm not mad at the idea. I like the idea. I even like the fact that like a school can lose transfers or I guess they should probably put a cap.
00:26:50
Dante
like on transfers, how many times you can and transfer, especially for the reason, if you're just transferring them, if it's transferring for playing time, that's fair. But if you're transferring because you got offered some money or whatever, or I guess that wouldn't be a thing anymore.
00:27:02
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Yeah, um i don't that I don't know. Like, that hasn't been in there.
00:27:05
Dante
Yeah.
00:27:05
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I think that's also going to be a lot harder to manage. But I think for me, the most important thing with this is the opt-in, right?
00:27:09
Dante
Right.
00:27:13
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Because technically, nobody opted into the NCAA. It was just there. And so everyone could fight it.
00:27:18
Dante
It was just, Yeah.
00:27:19
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But again, right, like, if I give you membership to something, and in that membership, it says your dues are due here, you can't do this, this, this, this and that, and you sign into it,
00:27:27
Dante
Mm-hmm.
00:27:31
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You agreed to whatever that those rules are.
00:27:33
Dante
Right, yeah.
00:27:33
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And so with this being new, the only way it works is with enforcement. And the only way the enforcement works is you can say, yeah, you're not happy that I'm reducing your pool, but here's your signature.
00:27:45
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This signature that you say that I will agree to this thing so I could be a part of it.
00:27:48
Dante
Mm-hmm.
00:27:49
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And I think what comes with that is if I wonder is if you are not abiding by it, they can kick you out. Like, I haven't said that, but, and and I imagine that that won't happen expected for schools, but like,
00:28:00
Dante
i could I can imagine that would be a thing. Like if you if you if you violate rules or something more than, what, three times, then you get out something like that.
00:28:10
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Yeah. And like they can't kick you out the NCAA, but they could kick you out the College Sports Commission, which then means you can't revenue share with players, which then means you that's basically the death penalty.
00:28:11
Dante
Yeah.
00:28:21
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Because of a certain like you're not like if you can't pay your players, they're not going to go.
00:28:27
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So again, this is all in the ideal world.
00:28:27
Dante
yeah
00:28:29
Dante
Well, again, they can always find other ways to pay them and stuff, but yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:28:32
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So that is the other thing, because i am not an optimist when it comes to this. And the one thing that I wanted to say about this is a lot of people are saying like, oh, this is going to level the playing field. this is goingnna No, it's not.
00:28:45
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it's There's nothing ever that is possible that can level the playing field that the top of the sport is going to agree with. Like at the end of the day, right? The person who got hired for this was hired again by the Big Ten, the ACC, these Power Four conferences.
00:29:01
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They are not going to sign up for something that hurts them.
00:29:05
Dante
Yeah.
00:29:06
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This makes the sport better for the players. It provides better rules. It makes it like essentially this sport did need some rules with all of the changes. And we were in the wild, wild west where anytime someone came up with the rule, you could just sue and do whatever you wanted to.
00:29:21
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It does that. But like this isn't going to make Kent State Ohio State. This isn't going to make um ah Middle Tennessee State Tennessee. You know what i mean? So like I don't agree with the the sort of thought process.
00:29:34
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That this fixes everything. um There's also been like conversation in like the media that this is going to bring back the bag man, right? Where like schools are going to are going to start paying under the table again um and things like that.
00:29:45
Dante
Yeah. Yeah.
00:29:46
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and But honestly, for me, I just don't care about that. Like, I really don't care if the players are being paid. I don't care how they get paid. But it does allow... a legal arm for them to get paid, which to me is most important.
00:29:59
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If you want to legally give him $100,000 and then under the table in a McDonald's bag, give him another $100,000, that means nothing to me. Like, I'm i'm not pocket watching.
00:29:59
Dante
yeah
00:30:09
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I just didn't like that you couldn't give him no money at all. And then if they did get that money, they lost everything, like Reggie Bush and so on and so forth.
00:30:12
Dante
yeah
00:30:17
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So, not here to say that this is perfect.
00:30:18
Dante
like you're They're out of school and all that. like that's That's incredible.
00:30:20
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Right.
00:30:23
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Yeah. Not...
00:30:23
Dante
is
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not
00:30:24
Dante
ah Does the NCAA have a medical duty? Has they implemented like medical and and in like an insurance policy even if you're not on the team anymore because of injury?
00:30:36
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Yeah, they did that in like 20... Somewhere between 2011 and 2014. Because that was another lawsuit.
00:30:43
Dante
Okay, I couldn't really remember. Yeah, I couldn't really remember if that ever happened.
00:30:45
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Yeah. because i was Yeah.
00:30:47
Dante
Because, yeah, that that was a crazy, like, it made no sense to me. Like, you could kick, I kicked, I got kicked off the team because I got injured doing this for you, and now you're not going to even pay for the medical bills that I got hurt doing for you.
00:30:57
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ye
00:30:59
Dante
Because, like, they're not, they're not workers.
00:31:00
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Yeah, so as long, I don't know, don't remember exactly how it, I don't remember exactly how it works. The insurance only covers something that happened in the program, basically.
00:31:10
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So like, I think like the NFL's insurance goes further. So like, basically, like, right, like, If you tore your ACL and then 10 years later, you tore it again, like your NFL insurance, you have insurance. I think in college, if you tore it and then 10 years later, it's a new injury, like it doesn't go that far.
00:31:10
Dante
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
00:31:22
Dante
Mm-hmm.
00:31:25
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But like, if you are having this injury, it's taking you a year or two or three or whatever to heal. Like, it's like a continuous thing. I think it does cover that. And then the other thing that they did is they continued the scholarship.
00:31:35
Dante
Okay.
00:31:38
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So like, if a player medically retires, You still get your academic scholarship, but it no longer counts against the 85 scholarship count.
00:31:46
Dante
The school. really Yeah.
00:31:47
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So the the kid isn't screwed.
00:31:49
Dante
Or the team, I mean.
00:31:50
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Yeah, it doesn't count against the team, but the kid isn't screwed.
00:31:51
Dante
Mm-hmm.
00:31:53
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The kid doesn't lose their scholarship. So that stuff happened in like somewhere between 11 14.
00:31:59
Dante
Okay.
00:32:00
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Yep. So, yeah, that is that is sort of where we are in the sport. And the last thing that I want to say about this, and I said this on the other podcast, you're going to hear a lot about it. We're going to talk about it.
00:32:10
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The media is to talk about the coach is going to talk about everyone's going to talk about it. And I'm going to say, not that I carry the most weight in the world is we just don't know for like three years. Three to five years. Like, just give it some time. Like, just give it some time.
00:32:23
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You're going to hear the rumors. You're going to hear this thing. Ohio State's paying this and Texas playing this and this high school quarterback's getting 10 million and this running back's getting five. Like, and a lot of times, even especially with the NIL stuff, a lot of times it was lies. So.
00:32:35
Dante
Yeah.
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obviously you have to talk about things, right? But in reality, as with any good thing, you can't really talk about something and reflect on something until it's happened for a couple of years. And so we won't know for, I think that first three years, if this is working or not.
00:32:54
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So we'll see, but I think it's a positive step at least.
00:32:58
Dante
me
00:33:01
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Cool.
Ranking Big Ten Coaches
00:33:02
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So moving on to our road trip segment this week, we are ranking the coaches in the big 10 this year. ah we do this every year, but as I also say, every year we get better at this every year.
00:33:16
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And one of the ways that we get better at podcasting is we finally put rules in place so that we were talking about the same thing, uh, because, ah we were just kind of going at it and, um,
00:33:30
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not going at it as in arguing, like going at it as in like, I would do it one way, Dante would do it the other way, and it didn't always make sense. So this year we have loose rules in place ah to kind of help us with this process, with the ranking coaches.
00:33:43
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And so basically this is how we're ranking the coaches.
00:33:45
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These are the rules. We are ranking all the – we're looking at the coaches in the Big Ten. There are 18 coaches. We are only doing it based off the last four years.
00:33:45
Dante
Come on, Michelle.
00:33:57
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We are looking at how we want to rank them based on the last four years. We are not looking at ah their entire body of work. And I want to say that again for anyone who decides they want to argue with us.
00:34:08
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We are only looking at the last four years. That is 2021 through 2024. twenty twenty four The reason why it is four years instead of five is because the pandemic year does not count.
00:34:20
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That was fake. Next year, we'll do five. Every year after that, we'll probably do five. But for this year, it's four and because going back to 2020 just doesn't make any sense.
00:34:27
Dante
Give me a second.
00:34:30
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um The second part of this rule is the coach had to be coaching consecutively for three years. um That means we are not ranking new coaches and and a sort of weird...
00:34:42
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piece of the rule there are two other coaches that are not being ranked as well um that is matt rule because he's only been at nebraska for two years and three and four years ago he was in the nfl and again this ranking is not that they have to be at their current school for three years they just had to have coached for three years in the last four so there are some coaches who coached at other places but they've been coaching consecutively
00:35:00
Dante
Oh, missed
00:35:06
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um barry ah Barry Odom, for example, has more than ah three years coaching, but he's only been coaching as a head coach for two years ah because before that, ah he was an offensive coordinator.
00:35:22
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We're a defensive coordinator. So he doesn't count. Matt Rule doesn't count. He has more than three years coaching experience. But three years ago and four years ago, he was in the NFL. And then the other coaches and sorry, that is Barry Odom, the coach at Purdue, in case you didn't know that, because I had to Google that today.
00:35:38
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That is Matt Rule, a coach at Nebraska. And then the other three coaches that we are not ranking are just because they haven't coached for three years total. And that is Sharon Moore at Michigan, who only has one year.
00:35:48
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David Braun at Northwestern, who has two years. And Deshaun Foster at UCLA, who only has one year. So there's 18 teams, 18 coaches. We are ranking 13 out of the 18 because five of them did not meet the criteria of having coached at least three years in the last four so that we could look at that and talk about it.
00:36:08
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So for the sake of the people, did you do something wrong?
00:36:11
Dante
Oh, I missed one.
00:36:15
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um ah for this
00:36:16
Dante
I missed two, actually. But it's OK.
00:36:18
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ah So for the sake of the people, while Dante finishes his list, we are ranking 13 coaches.
00:36:22
Dante
Oh, here, no, we're good. We're good.
00:36:27
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The coaches that we are ranking, and I'm doing this in order of the school, we are ranking Brett Bielema at Illinois, Kurt Signetti at Indiana, Kirk Ferentz at Iowa, Mike Loxley at Maryland, Jonathan Smith at Michigan State, PJ Fleck at Minnesota,
00:36:44
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Ryan Day at Ohio State, Dan Lanning at Oregon, James Franklin at Penn State, Greg Sciano at Rutgers, Lincoln Riley at USC, Jed Fish at Washington, and Luke Fickle at Wisconsin.
00:37:00
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Lastly, Sharon Moore at Michigan again did not meet the requirements. Matt Rua Nebraska did not meet the requirements. David Braun at Northwestern did not meet the requirements. Barry Odom at Purdue did not meet the requirements.
00:37:11
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And Deshaun Foster at UCLA did not meet the requirements. I am not going to waste my time ranking new coaches or coaches that were in the NFL.
00:37:25
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right, then. So we're going to start top to bottom. We're going to start bottom to top. I don't know what I'm talking about. ah We're to start bottom to top.
00:37:30
Dante
Okay.
00:37:31
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um
00:37:31
Dante
but
00:37:33
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There are 13 coaches. Let's do this and groups of. Let's see.
00:37:45
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Yeah, let's do this in groups of three. And then when we get to our last one, it'll just be one coach at the top. So let's do our bottom three. ah Do you want to go first?
00:37:54
Dante
Sure. ah go first. um my saying My bottom coach is Mike Loxley. um I think, truthfully, maybe besides, no because I think even might want to switch that, but no.
00:38:16
Dante
I think any of these coaches would probably have done just a bit better with the talent he's had, especially over the past couple years. um I feel like Maryland is underperformed in a way in just a bit.
00:38:32
Dante
And then out of all of these coaches, I do think he's legit probably the worst one out of all of them.
00:38:40
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Who are your next two? Do your the bottom three here.
00:38:42
Dante
Next. Oh, all three? Oh, then it's Jonathan Smith. Still new, but I think So compared to everybody else, it's he still has some time to grow, and I think he's going to become a better ah move up the ranks as the time goes by if he's still at Washington, especially going off of last season. I think Washington overperformed.
00:39:04
Dante
ah
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Jonathan Smith is Michigan State.
00:39:08
Dante
You're right. You're right. I'm looking at – I had just put him down. That's why. Okay, Jonathan Smith, Michigan State. I still don't know much. I haven't paid – I didn't pay that much attention to Michigan State.
00:39:21
Dante
But they did – they were battling. They were a team that didn't – that were in a good amount of those games. I think they gave – what's the name was scare, right? Did they give Michigan a scare?
00:39:32
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eight They gave a couple of teams a scare, and then their quarterback kept throwing internal interceptions.
00:39:34
Dante
Were they – Yeah. it Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. ah Jonathan Smith and then Greg Sciano. I think –
00:39:47
Dante
I think Greg Sciano. Sorry. Got to make sure I get this right. Rutgers could be better. They've had and they've had like moments where you thought but they they they're always battling for a bowl game at the end of the season. I don't think that should be a thing.
00:40:04
Dante
Especially, what was it, two seasons before?
00:40:07
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Yeah.
00:40:08
Dante
yeah
00:40:09
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Yeah, I think the interesting thing with Russia
00:40:11
Dante
the The last game is literally you're battling for a playoff spot. Not a playoffs, but a bowl game.
00:40:18
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Yeah. Rutgers, man, so I would do my three. We actually have the same bottom three, just a slightly different order. My last coach is Mike Locksley.
00:40:27
Dante
Yeah.
00:40:28
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If you've heard me do this for the last three years, I do not like him. I think that he has severely underperformed.
00:40:33
Dante
That's, yeah, that's true. You got it.
00:40:36
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The one thing that I will give him credit is he's a good recruiter, but I'm sorry. How hard is it to be a recruiter in the state of Maryland with all of that talent? And the biggest problem that I have is he his recruiting rankings always look better because he gets five stars, but then they all transfer after a year or two.
00:40:52
Dante
Transfer after.
00:40:53
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Like, he doesn't keep them.
00:40:53
Dante
Yeah.
00:40:54
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And he's in Maryland. There's a lot of talent. Like, I'm not saying that Maryland should be a national title contender, but I am saying that I do think that he has underperformed a little bit to his sort of expectation.
00:41:03
Dante
Yeah.
00:41:05
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um Greg Sciano I have at 12. every I will say this. My top 12, I do not like Mike Lacksley at all. My top 12, I do like almost every coach on this list, but they had to be ranked somewhere.
00:41:18
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You know i mean?
00:41:18
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Like, I think like the way that I would couch this, right?
00:41:19
Dante
Yeah.
00:41:19
Dante
yeah
00:41:23
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And for those of you who don't know this, it was a running bit for like three years where I wanted, i just named coaches that I wanted to get fired. And almost all of them have gotten fired. So the thing is, when you look at my top 12, I don't really want any of these coaches fired. Some of them are new. I think they're good. I think the depth of the conference is better.
00:41:42
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And it shows to the Big Ten listening to our podcast, listening to me and firing coaches.
00:41:42
Dante
Yes.
00:41:48
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um And so there are good coaches now, but they still do have to be ranked. I really like Greg Siano. I think Greg Siano the best coach that Rutgers has had. I plan on going to multiple record game this year.
00:41:57
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And want them.
00:41:59
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Rutgers is a hard job, but at the same time, I do think he has mildly underperformed in that. Last year, like you like you were getting at, last year was a struggle for them to get to a bowl game, and that shouldn't have happened.
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They started out pretty good, and then they got upset by UCLA, and then they lose like three games in the middle to where they had to fight at the end, and I do think as a head coach you have to –
00:42:13
Dante
mission of having.
00:42:23
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take ownership for all parts of your team, and he refuses to find a good quarterback. So I like Greg Sciano. 12 is not so much indicative saying I think he's a bad coach, but I do think 12 is a fair ranking compared to the other coaches.
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And then the last one I have is Jonathan Smith, who, again, is a coach that I really like. I do genuinely believe he's going to turn Michigan State around. It may not be this year.
00:42:44
Dante
yeah
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It may be next year. but he won 10 games at freaking Oregon state. There's not a lot of teams that can do that. I maybe could have even had him higher, but some of the coaches ahead of him have basically just also done the same thing.
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Like when we get to our next.
00:42:58
Dante
and Not only that, they've they've had success in the Big Ten in some form or fashion.
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Yes. And while he is new to the big 10, he has not had said success yet.
00:43:09
Dante
Yeah, sure, yeah.
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So, okay. 10, nine and eight. Who do you have?
00:43:15
Dante
I have Jed Fish at 10, PJ Fleck at nine, Lincoln Riley at eight. um I like Jed Fish. I actually really like Jed Fish.
00:43:26
Dante
um And that's what I was just talking about with Washington earlier. they They were expected to fall off, and they didn't fall off that much last year.
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Nope.
00:43:35
Dante
And that was his first season there, correct?
00:43:38
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Yes.
00:43:38
Dante
Second season. Oh, first season.
00:43:40
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First.
00:43:41
Dante
First season. And they they gave you USC a scare, Oregon a scare, Penn State a scare. I think those are the three teams I'm – I know the first two I'm correct on.
00:43:53
Dante
I don't remember if they played Penn State or not.
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We can find out
00:43:58
Dante
We
00:43:59
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But, yeah. um It's funny. We talked about it all last year where it's like, wow, Washington is just a Big Ten team? Like, instantly?
00:44:08
Dante
can't. Yeah, they've always – yeah.
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and Like...
00:44:10
Dante
They fit in really well, huh?
00:44:13
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They, they, the,
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Yeah, they were... they were fun to watch and in a big tens sort of sort of sense.
00:44:17
Dante
yes.
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Like, but this is a big 10 show, right? Like if you don't like the big 10, I'm sorry.
00:44:21
Dante
Yeah.
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Why, why are you here? Like you can stay because we will make you love the big 10, but like, why are you here?
00:44:27
Dante
Mm-hmm.
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They were a fun team to watch. And the thing with jet fish is he's a coach that like, I fully expect if he stays and the, if is a big part here, because he does have NFL,
00:44:38
Dante
This is definitely a big if.
00:44:40
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He has NFL desires. But if he stays here, they're going to make the playoffs in a couple of years. like
00:44:46
Dante
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
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So ah Penn State's not right. They lost to Penn State 35-6.
00:44:50
Dante
Okay.
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But you are right about Oregon. You are right about USC. And the other one that you're thinking about is Michigan, which they beat Michigan.
00:45:02
Dante
They beat Michigan. I do know that.
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But that was early that was early enough in the season that it still surprised people. But yeah, Penn State smacked them up.
00:45:07
Dante
Yeah.
00:45:09
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Okay, yeah.
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But, like, I mean, they beat USC, which, you like, we can do that we can do the revisionist history and say that wasn't impressive.
00:45:15
Dante
Yep. And that they're always going to – and the thing is, is that especially at that point in the season, beginning of the season, everybody is going to keep thinking USC is going to be something because of Lincoln at Riley.
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But where those teams were last year, that was impressive. Like, I'm not going to – I don't believe in revisionist history.
00:45:35
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Lincoln Riley will has a chance to be – to fall down on my list legit next year. It's actually – I think he's always – he's been falling down every – since he's been in.
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I think, yeah, I think he keeps falling down, yeah.
00:45:45
Dante
Yeah, for me. So i
00:45:47
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Yep.
00:45:51
Dante
I like Jetfish, and I think, like you said, if he stays, they have a chance of making the playoffs. I think they even have a chance to sneak into a Big Ten championship game at some point.
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That um that one ah one's are a little harder for me. No, it's not that hard. I can see it happening. not I mean, not like like four four years or so.
00:46:10
Dante
I can see it, yeah. All right, it's recording today.
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like I could easily see Oregon having a bad year, something like that.
00:46:13
Dante
I'm a podcast listening to you. We are.
00:46:16
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like I think Jetfish can build something at Washington.
00:46:17
Dante
Yeah. Because I can think like Washington can get up there where it's like, because it was Penn State, Ohio State, and Oregon last year that could have competed for the Big Ten Championship.
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Yes.
00:46:29
Dante
I think they could sneak in there for a couple years and be one of those three, maybe even four teams that competes that could be in that discussion for it.
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Yes.
00:46:37
Dante
Might not get there, but are in the discussion.
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Yeah. Or even like Indiana last year where it's like Indiana needed two teams to lose, but they were technically in the conversation up to the last week.
00:46:42
Dante
Mm-hmm.
00:46:47
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Mm-hmm.
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Something like that. I could see that.
00:46:49
Dante
Yeah, yeah.
00:46:51
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ah any any Let's save Lincoln Riley, but PJ Fleck.
00:46:53
Dante
PJ Flag.
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by pjwi
00:46:56
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Okay. PJ Flag, I've been disappointing, but I think, of course, they they they they've lost people to, um what is it, transfer injuries.
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injury every single year.
00:47:11
Dante
They've always had, yeah, that's mostly the point, the problem that's happened with Minnesota. But I also don't think they recruit well through the transfer portal and things like that. i think they should have been able to build off that momentum they had going a couple years ago to be able to continue that momentum.
00:47:27
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So that's why P.J. Fleck is low on the list. Still like him as a coach. I still like Minnesota. But until they get new trainers or something, I don't
00:47:37
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Yeah, for like three years straight, it was like the best player on the team was injured out for the season.
00:47:41
Dante
Yeah.
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It's like, what going on? Like,
00:47:43
Dante
Like, what's going on?
00:47:44
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Yeah. So ah my 10, 9, and 8, the first two are the same. The last one is not. i have P.J. Fleck at 10, Jed Fish at 9, and Luke Fickle at 8.
00:47:55
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ah P.J.
00:47:55
Dante
Okay.
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Fleck, man, i' I like P.J. Fleck. Again, and I'm going to keep saying this until we get higher up the list, this is not an and indication that I think that he's a bad coach.
00:48:06
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There are just better coaches than him. I do not think there are many coaches who could do what he did at was at Minnesota. But at the same time, we do have to be honest that he did not win the Big Ten West.
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And I'm sorry, but Purdue won the Big Ten West. Like, I know we're not in there anymore, but like Purdue did win the Big Ten West.
00:48:21
Dante
Yes.
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And there were two or three years where they could have done it. And then they lost a game to Iowa or they lost a game to Wisconsin. They went 11. They had 11 wins one year. And it's just sort of like... Part of being a great coach is getting over the hump, right?
00:48:38
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And so why I don't have him over some of the other coaches is while not in the Big Ten, they did get over the hump, right? And so, but I mean, I'm a big fan of P.J.
00:48:45
Dante
I
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Flake. I think that he's going to have Minnesota consistently. But at the same time, it's also unfortunate because when you add in...
00:48:54
Dante
tell you because of a coordinator in the NFL. Yeah.
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Right.
00:48:56
Dante
well
00:48:56
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like ah But like when you when you add in the four teams and you get rid of divisions and things like that, it really feels like Minnesota has lost their chance. Could Minnesota make a playoff once in a 10-year span? i'm Sure, they could get up there. They won 11 games once, but I do think it's going to be harder.
00:49:15
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and And now they're going to sit much more closely to the 6-8 wins, and they did not capitalize in those last couple of years like they should have.
00:49:15
Dante
Yeah, it's going to be harder now.
00:49:22
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ah for that Off that momentum, yeah.
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Jed Fish, we already kind of talked about him. His biggest thing is longevity. He wants to go to the NFL, but if he stays, he will get Washington back into a national champion. Sorry. He will get Washington back into the playoffs. I'm not predicting Washington to a national championship.
00:49:40
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But if you remember, Washington is one of the few teams that made the 14th playoff that wasn't like Ohio State, Bama, Georgia, and Clemson.
00:49:41
Dante
Yeah.
00:49:46
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Like Washington is a team that can get there. And Jed Fish won at Arizona. He is a good coach. and and And I like what he's doing with his staff. i I didn't love his first staff because it was just like hire NFL sons, right?
00:49:59
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He had Steve Belichick on defense and he had Carroll's son on offense.
00:50:02
Dante
Yeah,
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And I'm like, come on, brother, like you could do better. But both of them left as sort of to be expected. and And maybe he did that just to be like, hey, we have NFL people like, you know, their dads come here. And then he hired Ryan Walters, which is a fucking steal. Like I'm like,
00:50:18
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We're going to save our preview stuff, but Ryan Walters as a defensive coordinator is one of the best. And for him to pull that card, like.
00:50:27
Dante
it's a good one.
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Yeah. And then Luke Fickle, ah man, I hated putting Luke Fickle at eight. Luke Fickle is a great coach. I mean, Luke Fickle is the only coach and will all be the only coach ever to take a G5 team to the 14th playoff.
00:50:41
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He had Cincinnati in the 14th playoff. He won. He went undefeated, I believe. He won 11 games two or three times at Cincinnati. But then he just went to Wisconsin and sucked. and And in relation to some of the people...
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higher than him. i just think that they've done more and they've hit a higher ceiling and they eventually, right, you just kind of have to say that
00:50:59
Dante
OK.
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What he's done at Wisconsin does count. And maybe it's unfortunate, but he could be one of those coaches that we've seen other places, one of them being Tom Herman. We've actually seen this a couple of times with Ohio State assistant coaches where they just do better at a smaller level.
00:51:18
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And then when they get that bigger job, that power conference job, it just this doesn't work. I hope that doesn't happen for him. But right now, I think eight is fitting based on what we've seen of him at Wisconsin, which has been gross.
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So we're going to we're goingnna save luke Lincoln Riley because he's in my ne next batch, and I want to talk about him at the same time.
00:51:34
Dante
That's funny.
00:51:41
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who Where are we at?
00:51:42
Dante
OK.
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Who is your seven, six, and five?
00:51:48
Dante
a Seven, Luke Fickle, Kurt Frantz at ah six, and Brett Bielema at five. So like you said with Luke Fickle, I think Luke Fickle is a really good coach.
00:52:02
Dante
It has been a little underwhelming at Wisconsin, but I do think injuries have played a part with that as well. for For Wisconsin, they've had quarterback and running back injuries that do not help in the long run.
00:52:16
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i I think Lincoln has, not Lincoln, but Luke has done ah better job at Wisconsin right now than Lincoln Riley or even P.J. Fleck has done the past few years in the Big Ten.
00:52:31
Dante
So, like, I would say Luke Fickle's done a little, just a little bit. Because especially for, I know we haven't, we're going to get to Lincoln and Riley. But for me, Lincoln Riley, the whole problem is is that he's had such high expectations and have not lived up to him.
00:52:48
Dante
And that's why he's lower on my list. Because of, ah with ah again, Heisman quarterback won seven games. Seven to eight games, whatever that was that season.
00:52:59
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Yeah.
00:53:00
Dante
and ah And then as soon as that gone, he um you know they were they were they were fun in some games. Like, again, but one of my favorite games from USC last year was the Penn State game.
00:53:11
Dante
That was one of the fun ones to watch from them. But even then, it was like one of the – The way they it was put up for USC, it should have been USC, Oregon, Penn State, Ohio State type of stuff. or when it was it was or or And then Michigan and all of them right underneath.
00:53:33
Dante
But like the way they talked about how USC was going to come in here with into the Big Ten, they'd be one of those four teams. And they're not even close. Indiana was better team. And so...
00:53:47
Dante
the pat and so And I think Luke Fickle's done better. I think he's more of a Big Ten coach, and I think he'll do better in the Big Ten. i can see I can see Lincoln Riley leaving before Luke Fickle, and it's going to be a thing where Lincoln is leaving, but we all know it's like he's kind of getting fired.
00:54:07
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Hmm. Yeah. Yeah. ah Who else did you have? You had Kirk. I hate talking about this guy, but what do you have to say about Kirk Ferentz?
00:54:13
Dante
Kurt? I hate him. Consistent. I mean, he's mid. He's legitimately consistently mid. And it's not even like a bad mid type of thing.
00:54:26
Dante
Like, I'm not saying he's bad. He's going to get you probably 10 wins more than likely. But it's going to be a very boring and you're not going to remember it. if i have Like, he's never going to make. I don't think they make the playoffs even though they win 10 games.
00:54:42
Dante
They win nine and 10 games. I don't think they ever make the playoffs. And it's just, it's it's unfortunate because they need ah ah ah bri ah bri a fresh air, like a breath of fresh air, both him and you Iowa, but it's never to happen.
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Not until he retires. He's been there for like 20.
00:55:01
Dante
Yep.
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I can tell you exactly. He's been at Iowa for 26 years.
00:55:05
Dante
He's not going nowhere, dog.
00:55:07
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He needs to retire.
00:55:07
Dante
He's there.
00:55:08
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There ain't nowhere else to go.
00:55:09
Dante
He does.
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Go home.
00:55:10
Dante
He does. He does.
00:55:10
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Jeez.
00:55:11
Dante
But until that happens, Iowa's stuck. So they're stuck at being They're like, again, it's funny because the colors match. They're like the Steelers and in a way.
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Yeah. Yeah. Except obviously the steer Steelers did have some glory. Iowa's never had that.
00:55:29
Dante
Yeah.
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Unless you count you know winning the Big Ten, but like that's not comparison to a championship.
00:55:34
Dante
The Super Bowl, yeah.
00:55:35
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Yeah. And then you had Brett Bielema at five. I need you to explain this one because how is he not higher?
00:55:41
Dante
How's he not higher?
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just ah
00:55:44
Dante
um
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ah We can come back to that when we get to it, but I do have that question. When we're done with this list, I need you to walk me through Brett Bielema not being higher than five.
00:55:54
Dante
i I can tell you now. um
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But then but then you're go to then you're going to spoil the people ahead of them.
00:56:01
Dante
I'd say like this in a way. it's Next year, he definitely could be.
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By the way, I see.
00:56:06
Dante
If he does what I think he's going he should do, like what what is he seems to be on track with Illinois, he would definitely be higher.
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OK.
00:56:15
Dante
um But right now, out of everybody in the Big Ten, he's the fifth. He's probably the fifth best coach. He's turned ah Illinois around. the think ah they've been They've been competitive. They've been really, a really really good team.
00:56:32
Dante
i'm Again, I'm a big fan of them, especially since they hired him. But I also, the thing is, is that when they lost their defensive coordinator, the defense did take a dip.
00:56:45
Dante
So I need him to be able to even then, he doesn't win always win the games that he should, too. I think there's a few games last year which probably could have got them even maybe considered for a playoff spot or even a better bowl game that they should have won, but they didn't.
00:57:03
Dante
If they do what I think they should do this upcoming season, he'll move up higher.
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Thank you.
00:57:07
Dante
Mm-hmm.
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That's fair. I say that like I have him much higher. I don't, but I only have him once but higher. So where we are we at? My seven, six, and five. Seven, I have Kirk Ferentz. Six, I have Lincoln Riley. Five, I have Dan Lanning.
00:57:23
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um Kirk Ferentz, there's nothing to say about this. I do not like him at all, but he is a good coach. So seven, that's all I'm going to say about him.
00:57:30
Dante
He's legit a good coach, unfortunately.
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he he needs He needs to retire.
00:57:33
Dante
He's a good enough coach.
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right
00:57:35
Dante
like
00:57:35
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but I mean, literally, that's what it is. He's a good enough coach, but it's but it's also this hard thing where it's like maybe he has Iowa probably at their ceiling, but at the same time, he doesn't because if he wasn't so stubborn, they could be better with how good their defense has been.
00:57:52
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Like, he's taken so long to even, like, pretend to care about offense.
00:57:52
Dante
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:57:57
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Like, think about what would happen if you gave Brett Bielema that defense. Like if Brett Bielema was the coach at Iowa for the last five years, how far would they have gone?
00:58:02
Dante
yeah
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Because legitimately they've had a top five defense every year. They have players who are in the, in the conversation for rookie of the year, like, like getting drafted in the first round.
00:58:11
Dante
um
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Like they are awesome.
00:58:17
Dante
yeah Yeah.
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And then it's just like the offense.
00:58:19
Dante
it's it And this is like the one of the first times where they literally went after a legitimate quarterback and like offensive talent to to offset that defense.
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And.
00:58:29
Dante
And we've been doing this, what, four or five years now? Mm-hmm.
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Yeah, well and like literally one of our favorite players was Charlie Jones, right? He he helped lead Purdue to their to their Big Ten championship. He came from Iowa. He was at Iowa for three years, and they never threw him the ball.
00:58:42
Dante
Yeah. Yeah.
00:58:44
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And then he goes to Purdue, and he puts up like 1,500 yards, and it's just like –
00:58:48
Dante
Uh-huh.
00:58:49
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So you had this the whole time? So that i that has to weigh against him a little bit.
00:58:51
Dante
And just...
00:58:53
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So he he's good enough where he can't be lower than really sort of seven, but he's made so so many mistakes that like realistically you could argue for him to be a top three, four, or five coach, but his stubbornness and his just refusal to care on offense sort of knocks him down a little bit.
00:59:11
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Lincoln Riley, I have six. So now we can have our Lincoln Riley conversation.
00:59:15
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Uh-huh.
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I have Lincoln Riley at six simply because his highs are so high. And you I'm also including his ability to recruit and things like that.
00:59:27
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but It's just like I just couldn't put him under current parent Lincoln Riley.
00:59:30
Dante
I can give you ah the only reason why I'll let you have that.
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But hold on. I'm going to tell you lot.
00:59:35
Dante
Okay.
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I'm going to tell you a lot because we're going to talk negatively about him. But.
00:59:39
Dante
Okay.
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You could argue that he should be second or third, but he's a fucking loser who is soft and doesn't want to coach in the Big Ten. So it's like Lincoln, like like, let's be honest. Lincoln Riley has has multiple playoff appearances at IU. He has multiple Heisman winners. He has multiple number one picks.
00:59:56
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He should technically be higher in this list. He's six for me, and that's the highest I can put him, and he's lower for you, which now I want you to go through, and it's because he's scared to compete. And like you said, like,
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How do you win seven, eight games with the Heisman winning the number one pick?
01:00:14
Dante
So the reason why i can't i can't fully give you the said he's a good recruiter, it's not that hard to recruit in California.
01:00:24
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But he was a better recruiter in Oklahoma, where it is harder.
01:00:26
Dante
And that's the only thing I said halfway, because he could recruit he was able to recruit in Oklahoma.
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Yes.
01:00:31
Dante
But now it's much easier. because it's California and it's still USC. The second thing is, is that while yes, he's a good coach and he has like high multiple Heisman winners.
01:00:48
Dante
He's always consistently in my eyes seem to have kind of like mid to terrible defenses, which plagued him. Even if when he was in the, making the playoff for appearances and things like that, it, Defense has always plagued him, and i that's why I also i have to hold that against him.
01:01:06
Dante
Especially now where defense, because you went up and in talent technically, and you're in the Big Ten now. Defense is extremely important. It's one of the biggest things about the Big Ten.
01:01:18
Dante
If you ain't got a defense, you're going to be terrible in this conference. And he still is stubborn enough. ah You're talking about Kurt.
01:01:28
Dante
Lincoln Riley is the same way.
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yeah so Yes, but USC's defense was better than Iowa's offense, though.
01:01:35
Dante
And I would say, and my thing is, yeah, that's fair, but I will also say, but and and yeah end the reason why, and that's true, and and I think it's still extremely even more impressive that Kirk is able to win 9, 10, 11 games, mostly defense, in the Big Ten.
01:01:38
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Like, if we're doing that comparison, USC's defense was much better than Iowa's offense.
01:01:54
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That is also fair. That's fair.
01:01:57
Dante
Mm-hmm.
01:01:58
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That's fair. i Ultimately, I just i couldn't put Kirk or...
01:02:04
Dante
And my thing is, it's like, it's super, my thing is, it's like, Kurt still in the Big Ten with still around nine, 10, 11 wins. Lincoln Riley comes into the Big Ten, hasn't even seen nine wins.
01:02:16
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Yeah, but you also have to you also have to consider that Kirk was doing it in the Big Ten West, which upped a couple of them wins. Yeah. Because when Kirk got to play Ohio State and Michigan and Penn State, he got smacked up.
01:02:33
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Ultimately, my thoughts on this is Lincoln Riley, this is your fault that this is even a conversation. Do you hear this? You're being compared to Kirk Ferentz.
01:02:43
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That's where you are.
01:02:44
Dante
no
01:02:44
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like who It doesn't matter who's right or wrong.
01:02:44
Dante
perfect
01:02:47
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You're being compared to Kirk Ferentz. like If you would have told Lincoln Riley or anyone five years ago that in five years we'd be comparing Lincoln Riley to Kirk Ferentz,
01:02:57
Dante
My thing is, like again, again like you had the Heisman winner and you lost to UCLA.
01:03:02
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Like, come on, dog. Like, yeah.
01:03:04
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So I couldn't put Luke. and And ultimately, like, I like Luke Fickle. But i that the nosedive that he's taken in the Big Ten is just really hard for me.
01:03:04
Dante
know.
01:03:18
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Especially because it comes off the back of just, like, almost just, like, stupidity. Right? Where, like...
01:03:27
Dante
Thanks a lot.
01:03:29
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Like, I'm not going to make this argument. You could argue that Lincoln's problems came from loyalty. I won't make that argument. I think that's stupid. Luke Fickle's problem, just like, i don't even like he just came in and he he thought he could do something that didn't make sense.
01:03:46
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He thought he could take a team. and just destroy their identity, change it on offense, change it on defense. He brought in a dog shit coordinator. Like even again with Lincoln Riley, Lincoln Riley's coordinator was at least good somewhere else before he was bad.
01:04:03
Dante
For for
01:04:04
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Like he brought in a coordinator on offense who nobody thought was good, who didn't make any sense. He had a, he had a star running back. He did. He wouldn't run the ball. It's just like, The decision, like, i don't know. I think the decisions for me with Luke were just slightly more egregious when you're also comparing the high of the highs.
01:04:25
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And so you're looking at two things and and and realistically, you're looking at two coaches who are like mildly disappointing me, although I just don't care about Lincoln Riley really to be disappointed, but Luke is disappointing me.
01:04:36
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And I'm comparisoning them. And I just gave, like, we're talking about four years. Four years ago, Lincoln Riley, three years ago, actually, Lincoln Riley did have a Heisman contender. He did have the number one pick. Like, I don't know.
01:04:48
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It's hard. But, again, if you would have told Lincoln Riley or any of us five years ago, this is where he'd be being compared, that that says everything. Lincoln, you you you screwed it up.
01:04:59
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Like, you screwed it up, and and pretty soon you're not going to get him.
01:05:02
Dante
you You ruined in it.
01:05:04
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You're ruining it. Look at my mind. You're ruining it. And i I will contend if you put James Franklin in California, they're in the national championship.
01:05:17
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That's all I'm saying.
01:05:21
Dante
James Franklin not hiring in those guys as coordinators.
01:05:23
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No, they, and USC, there was rumors that USC was going to hire Lincoln, that James Franklin wanted the USC job before they went to Lincoln Riley, and I think they should have hired him away from Penn State, but I digress.
01:05:36
Dante
Yeah.
01:05:37
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um Okay.
01:05:37
Dante
Yeah, should have definitely done that.
01:05:39
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who ah Who have when we talked about? So we did Kirk, we did Lincoln. oh Dan Lanning. Dan Lanning's my five. Why is Dan Lanning my five? I would just say this briefly because you have him hired so we can talk about him more there.
01:05:49
Dante
Mm-hmm.
01:05:52
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He just has less time on job than the coaches in front of him. And so for me, if I was looking at who I wanted to hire tomorrow, I would maybe hire him before some of the coaches that I have ahead of him.
01:06:06
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But I think he has less time on task. And I'm also... I'm mildly on fraud watch for Dan Lanning. I think he's a good coach, but like I don't like how he's built his team, for one. I don't really think that it's sustainable. He's a great recruiter, but he's also like really gimmicky, right? and And I don't really care for him sort of as a personality um thing and that like all of this.
01:06:30
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Once you get to like the top five, like these sort of things also sort of matter to me. And I just think that like, and this is something that you can attest to. I've said this since day one.
01:06:41
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I don't think how he's doing it is sustainable. So this is the, like, yet it worked out. He got a transfer quarterback and then he got another transfer quarterback and it worked. But then at the same time, it's like,
01:06:52
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I don't know. So this is I think that this is going to be a ah big year for Dan Lanning, and how this year goes could put him back up closer to where you have him.
01:06:58
Dante
yeah
01:07:03
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But at the same time, it also does matter that you go out and you win all these games in the regular season, and then you get smacked up by Ohio State, and then you make excuses about it. But a couple of weeks ago, you were bragging about how smart you were and how – You did this rule thing and you manipulated all these things you do in practice and like all this stuff.
01:07:21
Dante
Everybody does that.
01:07:24
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And then and then you you you get smacked up. You almost lose to Penn State. You get smacked up by Ohio State. And so it's it's... These are not negatives. I think that he still has a a really high future. He's only been coaching for three years. He's going to get better. It took Ryan Day seven years to win a national championship. This is not an indictment on his career at all.
01:07:46
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But... I just didn't feel comfortable putting him at higher than that. And then the last thing I'll say, because this is going to transition into the next guy once I get to him, is I don't think he could do at Illinois what Brett Bielema is doing in Illinois.
01:08:02
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And so when I'm comparing him, would I hire Dan Lenning over Brett Bielema? Probably because he's going to get the better recruits and and various things like that. But at the same time, time on task, what he's done, where he's done it, I do think that Brett Bielema is a better coach at this point.
01:08:17
Dante
I mean, since you are talking about him, I can say that I have Dan Lanning at number two. The reason why I have him that high is that even though coaching for three years, successful three years.
01:08:27
Dante
Yes. His first year in the Big Ten, he went to Big Ten championship. I understand where you're coming from with the the way he's built his team, but it I mean, it worked.
01:08:40
Dante
it's worked like it technically I get it. Be it. Anybody can smacked up any day, honestly and truthfully in the, in special, in, in, in, they weren't the only team that got smacked up in the playoffs, uh, during the playoffs.
01:08:46
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yeah
01:08:53
Dante
So I, that's why can have a higher weight where you have James Franklin, who I have at three, it's been in the big 10, what, 10 years now, at least a decade, uh, no big 10 championship.
01:09:07
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He does have a big championship.
01:09:07
Dante
oh Oh, he does have one? Okay.
01:09:10
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Yeah.
01:09:10
Dante
um But I don't remember the last time he beat Ohio State. ah Dan Lanning beat Ohio State.
01:09:16
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This is true.
01:09:18
Dante
Twice. Oh, no, not twice. Not twice.
01:09:19
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No, yeah, just...
01:09:20
Dante
That was years ago. That's right. But he's beat Ohio State. He won the big team championship. He won the big game that James Franklin should have won, which was the big team ten championship against James Franklin himself.
01:09:32
Dante
That's why I have them a bit higher, ah but ah him bit higher than other two, which are, ah i have Kurt at four, Kurt Sinetti, right?
01:09:43
Dante
Kurt Sinetti and then James Franklin at three.
01:09:43
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Yeah.
01:09:46
Dante
Just because it's not much time, which is fair, but in that short amount of time, it's a great amount of success.
01:09:53
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Yes. So my four.
01:09:55
Dante
So much so that when they came into the Big Ten, they were instantly considered a contender for the Big Ten Championship with Ohio State.
01:10:03
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Yes. So my four is Brett Bielema, my three is Kirk Signetti, and my two is James Franklin. I will just simply say this, because you're you're sort of getting to a point where you're where you're um you have to like pick hairs and things.
01:10:09
Dante
Mm-hmm.
01:10:16
Dante
Mm-hmm.
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i when i When you get to these sort of coaches, one thing that I try to consider... And it's, I mean, it's made up, right? I'm saying it. There's no way to prove it. Could Dan Lanning do at Illinois what Brett Bielema's doing? I'm not sure.
01:10:30
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Could Dan Lanning do at James Madison in Indiana what Kirk Cignetti is doing? I'm not sure. Could he do at Penn State what James Franklin's doing? I'm going to say absolutely not.
01:10:42
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Like, you also have to...
01:10:42
Dante
My thing is just that we don't you know if Kirk Signetti can do this consistently at Indiana.
01:10:47
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but it's But for me, it's not about consistent, right? ah Because you're you're right, you don't know. But for Kurt, it's also that he's won legitimately everywhere he's won.
01:10:58
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and they've all And they've all been programs that didn't have – like, i you you do – just like with Ryan Day, right?
01:10:58
Dante
Mm-hmm.
01:11:06
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You have to consider that he was given Ohio State. Right.
01:11:10
Dante
Mm-hmm.
01:11:10
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So like you don't know if Ryan Day can build a program. Dan Lanning was given Oregon like Oregon was ready to go. Like the only like Oregon was at this level already.
01:11:21
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He has raised it slightly. But the only reason Oregon hired Dan Lanning is because Mario Cristobal went home. Like, he didn't get fired. They weren't letting him go. He's from Miami.
01:11:32
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His his mother was sick and ended up dying ah yeah within the year, and he played football at the University of Miami.
01:11:38
Dante
Mm-hmm.
01:11:40
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Oregon wasn't looking for a coach. They were doing well. And so for me, that ah when you're looking at three years and you're you're kind of like nitpicking because that's what you're doing,
01:11:51
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I'm also considering that he was half the majority of this year is going to be the first year that his roster is his, just like for Ohio state, the first three years that was urban Myers roster.
01:12:05
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And that weighed in. Like I'm not trying to do revisionist history. I'm not trying to do no fake stuff. Like Ryan, Ryan day had to create his own rod. Everyone has to do that. So I think he's still a great coach.
01:12:17
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But when we're looking at the, especially when it comes to James Franklin, because I could, you could convince me to move him to three.
01:12:24
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over Kurt and Brett Bielema, I can't put him over James Franklin.
01:12:24
Dante
Uh-huh.
01:12:24
Dante
Uh-huh.
01:12:28
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James Franklin has won at Vanderbilt. James Franklin has won at Penn State. Yes, he hasn't beat Ohio State. He hasn't beat Michigan to the level that you could say that he should. But then at the same time, everyone has said that Penn State is going to be the biggest beneficiary of the 12-team playoff, and he he immediately makes it to the semifinal game and is one play away from beating Notre Dame.
01:12:51
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and and there's and And the way that they played Ohio State, I was terrified that we were going to get Penn State in the national championship because I thought we were going to lose that game. And so yeah you can you can convince me to put him at three over Kurt and Brett.
01:13:00
Dante
That's fair. That's fair.
01:13:05
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I explained why I didn't, but i I can't justify him over James Franklin when James Franklin has coached so long and at harder places because you do have to consider the Oregon of it all.
01:13:17
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Just like with Ryan Day, you got to consider the Ohio State of it. If if if ah the one guy is good at Alabama, you got to consider the Alabama of it. Like this doesn't make them not good coaches, but it does weigh in when you're considering a coach that won at James Madison and at Indiana and a coach that won at Wisconsin and at Illinois.
01:13:37
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So that's how Dan Lennon gets to five. But I don't think that he's a bad coach.
01:13:44
Dante
Best for.
01:13:45
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And if he does it again, he jumps. like I'm going to be honest with you. If he does it again, he jumps. like It's three years. This is his fourth year. This is going to be the year where the team is fully his. This is the year that he's not going to have a fifth-year starter at quarterback. right like He lost some of his depth.
01:14:01
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This team is his. This is his guys. But I do have some mild – I wouldn't – Oregon, to me, could go eight and four They could go 11-1.
01:14:14
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I don't know. And so that also sort of factored. like Would you be surprised if Oregon went eight and four Not that you're predicting it, but do you see that as a possibility or or you don't see it at all?
01:14:25
Dante
I'd be a little surprised. I'd be a little surprised if they went even for it.
01:14:27
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Yeah. Okay. So I just said a lot. Is there anyone in your top... In your two, three, or four that you haven't talked about?
01:14:38
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you talk about Kirk, James Franklin? You talked about Dan Lanning. Did you get to through the other two?
01:14:42
Dante
i thought Well, James Franklin, and I've talked about a lot, but James Franklin is, a st they he's probably, he's a legit second or third best coach in the, in the big 10. He, he's, he's probably the, he's the most tenured, I believe here in the big 10, maybe on Kurt Fuentes.
01:14:56
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Yes. um No, I mean... i am It's Kirk, because he's been there 26 years. But...
01:15:02
Dante
Yeah, but second most tenured, second most success technically in the big 10 out of everybody. Um, Real quick, guy prior in the playoffs, has won a Big Ten championship. It's been a while because I don't remember it.
01:15:18
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I think it was 2016.
01:15:19
Dante
Okay.
01:15:19
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It has been a while, but he does have one.
01:15:22
Dante
He has won. And he's been he's been consistently – he's had Penn State consistently in in the talking sphere of those those, like, big three teams of the Big Ten with Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State.
01:15:38
Dante
So it' James Franklin's resume speaks for itself. And then Kirkson Eddy, you said he's won everywhere he's been. I'll have to see if he can continue that here in the Big Ten because, again, um this it could be like a Luke Fickle thing or or even a Lincoln Riley thing.
01:16:00
Dante
but i hope not, but there's still time.
01:16:01
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Yeah.
01:16:03
Dante
There's still much time. And even I probably should have thought about that for Dan Lanning as well. but The fact that um he was able to win the Big Ten and they they made the playoffs too. um worse it so Those three, at least those two, we'll have to see. But, yeah great um I can understand why you would put Dan Lennon behind James Franklin, and I get why you said he couldn't be ahead of him.
01:16:27
Dante
I get that.
01:16:29
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Yeah. So um and the thing that sort of put Kurt there, because like you said, you do have to, you have to see it continue is I did give him credit for winning at James Madison for coming in at IU first year after IU had been bad, like legitimately bad for multiple years winning there.
01:16:45
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he has, he's, he's, he won at lower levels, but also,
01:16:46
Dante
Yeah.
01:16:50
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i sort of gave him I sort of gave him a sort of vote of confidence for the fact that, like, I'm going to keep saying it because it may end up being true. He may have the best quarterback in the Big Ten this year.
01:16:50
Dante
That turnaround is crazy.
01:17:03
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like Like, you do have to see it, of course, but, like, the way he reloaded in the transfer portal, it's –
01:17:09
Dante
Mm-hmm.
01:17:10
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a It may fall off, but I think he's building in a way that feels sustainable. um But again, how long is sustainable, especially in this era of college football? I don't know. like
01:17:24
Dante
Right.
01:17:25
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I really just don't know. um So for, and and truly Kurt and Brett over Dan is is also sort of legacy picks because they've just been doing it for so much longer.
01:17:36
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Like Dan just made the list.
01:17:37
Dante
That's fair.
01:17:38
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We said he had to coach for at least three years. He's legitimately only been coaching for three years. They've been three very successful years, but Yeah, I mean, it's i have an affinity for Brett Bielema in Illinois.
01:17:52
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I respect what Kurt has done, and I am giving credit to the turnaround at how hard Indiana was.
01:17:59
Dante
um
01:18:00
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But like you said, one year, and he could be number two, right? I do think it's going to be hard for him to unseat James Franklin. I do have a lot of respect, as much as I like to make fun of James Franklin, because come on, brother, you do need to finally win a big game. like You do.
01:18:16
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But it is also commendable to win 10 or 11 games for five years straight. like Yes, you're beating your head against the same thing, but how many other coaches can win 10 or 11 games for five years straight at Penn State?
01:18:31
Dante
It's still impressive, yeah.
01:18:33
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Yeah, so. And I leave the last one, Ryan Day. I don't think there's any argument about Ryan Day.
01:18:38
Dante
Randy.
01:18:40
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He's one of the best coaches in the sport. His only flaw, and it is a big flaw. Do not do not hear me wrong.
01:18:50
Dante
His...
01:18:50
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It is a big flaw as he he just refuses to beat Michigan.
01:18:50
Dante
It's his ego.
01:18:54
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God damn, he refuses to beat Michigan.
01:18:55
Dante
It's his ego. He gets in his own way, but
01:18:57
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But...
01:19:00
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out Outside of outside of his just straight-up refusal to beat Michigan, he is almost the perfect coach modern-day football and that he's a good recruiter.
01:19:00
Dante
They've been
01:19:13
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He's personable.
01:19:13
Dante
the playoffs just about.
01:19:14
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he He cares about his players and his mental and mental health. He seems to...
01:19:17
Dante
they've been in the playoffs.
01:19:19
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Yeah, he seems to be human.
01:19:20
Dante
yeah there
01:19:21
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He gets to the playoffs. He he wins. His his record is 70 and 10. He made the 14 playoff. made i He but he showed resiliency bouncing back from losing to Michigan to win the national championship in what is, I think, inarguable, the hardest championship because of who they had to play.
01:19:41
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Like, I mean, up until the last game, they were picked to lose all of them. Like, we can say that they weren't, but they were picked to lose to Tennessee. They were definitely picked to lose to Oregon, and they were picked to lose to Texas.
01:19:53
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The only time that they were, like, people really thought they were going to win is when they got to Notre Dame.
01:19:57
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And so all of that matters. um Ryan Day could fall. I don't think his spot is so secure that he's going to be here forever. Right.
01:19:57
Dante
Yeah.
01:20:06
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he You do still have to do it. You do have to beat Michigan. Right. Eventually. But the national championship helps, especially when we're looking at the last four years. He's a consistent winner. Yeah.
01:20:06
Dante
Yeah.
01:20:19
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yeah I mean. I think it'll be interesting how we how we how we do this next year if James Franklin gets a national championship because then you look at James Franklin's full resume, which is longer than Ryan Day's, and Andy has the 90.
01:20:30
Dante
Yeah.
01:20:33
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I think that'll be interesting. Or if Dan Lanning gets a national championship or something like that. But for right now, we both have Ryan Day. Do you have anything to add about the Buckeyes head coach?
01:20:45
Dante
No, no, you said just about there is to it for Ryan Day. ah Like I said, he gets in his own way, but um he didn't he was able to to stop that to finish the season out and win a national championship last year.
01:21:02
Dante
ah But I will say you're right. He has a very good chance of falling. If he loses to Michigan again and James Franklin wins a national championship, I will be moving James Franklin up to number one.
01:21:14
Dante
they he would He would go to number one for me because then it's just the Ryan Day. That's just you. That's your Achilles heel.
01:21:20
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Yeah. Yeah. yeah
01:21:22
Dante
That's just it. That is that's just it for you. That's what it is. So, yeah.
01:21:27
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Yeah, so um that is our coaches' ranking. We'll be back next June to do it again. You can laugh at us and call us stupid.
01:21:37
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ah We don't care. um who But, yeah, that's the coaches' ranking. So the show is running little long. Let's wrap it up by going to our pit stop.
01:21:46
Dante
Okay.
01:21:47
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As you all know, our pit stop is the time where we get to take a break, as you do you're on a road trip. Stop and get gas. Get a snack. Use a bathroom. Stretch. Do whatever you have to do.
01:21:58
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This is our chance to sort of stretch it out and end the show before and talk about something that's not Big Ten related.
Pit Stop: Music Industry Commentary
01:22:05
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Sometimes it's not even sports related. Mine is not sports related this this week.
01:22:09
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And mine is relevant to, like, nobody that listens to this podcast, I imagine, but I could care less.
01:22:15
Dante
Mm-mm-mm.
01:22:16
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ah Um...
01:22:19
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One of my my favorite rappers, Sada Baby, dropped a new album. It's fire. Sada Baby is is a rapper who who like ah like for like three years straight was in my Spotify unwrapped.
01:22:36
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I want to be clear here. He is one of my favorite rappers. I did not say he is one of the best rappers. Do not go listen to Sada Baby on my recommendation and be like, he's trash.
01:22:49
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You may think he's trash, especially if you like conscious rap. If you're if your list of best rappers starts with Kendrick and J. Cole, I'm not telling you to listen to Sada Baby.
01:23:01
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I'm saying that I like Sada Baby.
01:23:04
Dante
No, I think Saw the Baby's Look at Rapper, and those are like two of my favorite records too.
01:23:05
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Like,
01:23:07
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Yeah, like, I'm a fan. And and his um his last album, i didn't love as much. So I was just very excited to hear this one. And I was like, oh, he's back in that bag.
01:23:16
Dante
go
01:23:17
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anyway Like, e he's back in that bag. It was a one album fall off. It's hard for all your albums to be great. but like yeah he's ease's back in that bag I was just excited to have it especially because I didn't listen to Lil Wayne's album but I heard how bad it was and so it was just funny like I saw people talking about yeah I cut off that Lil Wayne album and put on Sada Baby for a palate cleanse and that's the funniest thing ever heard like turning off turning off Lil Wayne to play Sada Baby's crazy laughing
01:23:37
Dante
I did not listen.
01:23:47
Dante
Pallyclays is pretty crazy.
01:23:52
Dante
i ah I have not listened to Lil Wayne's album either, but I did hear a snippet of the one Crash Bandicoot beat.
01:23:59
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The elephant thing?
01:24:01
Dante
yeah Yeah. The Crash Bandicoot beat.
01:24:04
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like Yeah.
01:24:07
Dante
The thing is is that like the beat was so bad, it made listen to the words, which was worse.
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Everybody's like, what happened to Lil Wayne? Drugs. What are you talking about? We've seen it. Drugs. Like, like when saw it with the eyes, everyone's like, why did you get this?
01:24:19
Dante
We watched it happen. We watched it happen. Each dread that fell out was a little bit of his talent. So I.
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Nachu said he was dude the Bible. His hair got cut out and he lost his strength. Oh, gosh. he got his hair got cut out right
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oh
01:24:41
Dante
yeah Only here first is where we can make a a ah Bible joke about a little one. Only here.
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oh gosh
01:24:48
Dante
Only here. And they wanted him to perform at the Super Bowl. hey a ah I'm glad they didn't. I'm glad they didn't pick him.
01:24:59
Dante
oh It would have been completely stupid to have picked
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Yeah. anyway it is it is so It is so clear that he hasn't been a good rapper in years.
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And that's
01:25:13
Dante
him. And i think my thing is just that if it's if that's accepted, probably it's...
01:25:18
Dante
his music could probably be more palatable for me. But it's like, people keep making me feel like that i gotta listen that I'm listening to Lil Wayne, Lil Wayne.
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And it's no.
01:25:27
Dante
And then every time where he comes out with a song and I'm not listening to Lil Wayne, Lil Wayne, it's like, yeah yeah it makes it flop even worse.
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Yeah. I also just feel like I know it's hard.
01:25:36
Dante
Yeah. That elephant...
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because Yeah. I know it's hard because you have to like yeah if you didn't save you didn't save money, you have to get money back. But.
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Rapping is truly a young man's game, right?
01:25:53
Dante
It is.
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Even Ludacris, he dropped an album and was like, it wasn't this bad, but it i was like, Ludacris, don't know. Especially because so much, like, truthfully, so much of rapping comes with being in the culture. Sometimes it comes with the struggle. It it comes with being around.
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ah Like, you get life by being with young artists and and and and and staying around and just being relevant. And if you're not relevant and or rapping in your tax bracket, it's bad.
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Eminem is not good anymore.
01:26:20
Dante
hu
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Eminem, you can't struggle rap no more. what are you talking about? You're a grandfather. like like I'm sorry. You can't keep talking about how much you hate your mom. like like You can't, right? Lil Wayne is not working. like like Like, Jay-Z almost never drops albums anymore, but when he does, he's rapping in his tax bracket.
01:26:33
Dante
Yeah.
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Like, Jay-Z's not ah he's not constantly rapping about in the streets. He's talking about his million-dollar fucking paintings and his and his daughter. like Like, that works sometimes. Like, like if Jay-Z was still trying to rap like it was the 90s, it wouldn't work.
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right the only rap like There are very few rappers who can still do the same thing.
01:26:52
Dante
Yeah. Yeah.
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like It still works for Gucci, but depending on who you ask, they don't like Gucci. And I think the best Gucci is when he's rapping with the 19-year-olds who get arrested as soon as they leave the studio because the youth helps. like If you want to be older and rap, you need to kind of stay around the youth and the culture, or you need to rap to your tax bracket.
01:27:09
Dante
but
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You can't try to catch the magic of what made, like, this is not Hot Boy's Lil Wayne. This is not the Carter III Lil Wayne. like
01:27:23
Dante
At all.
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And and on it it's fine to not age gracefully, but, like you know like, you know who ages gracefully? um Oh, man i just forgot Paul Wall is gracefully.
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But you know what Paul Wall hasn't done? he hasn't dropped the album.
01:27:39
Dante
Right.
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Paul Wall, he gets on songs here and there from young Houston artists who want to pay respect. He drops a verse and then that's it.
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Lil Wayne could probably give you a good verse. Maybe. An album? ah the whole The album sounds like A.I. It's like, come on. Stop it.
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what okay i'm done don't want to talk about this no more oh
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oh linwell man and lin lin manuel or something you're about to say something stupid like that about that man's name that's crazy yeah that's crazy all right well
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I'm done. I don't want to talk about that no more. All right. As always, thank you all for listening. You can catch the show on YouTube and on ah Instagram at Get Defensive Sports Network. You can find it on TikTok at GDSportsNetwork, and we will catch you next week.