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Power Two Podcast: The Big 12 Review Show
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On this week's episode, DJ and Jordan discuss the BIG 12. Who will rise to the top and make it to the playoffs? How will Colorado fare? Can TCU contend again? We tackle all this and more!
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Podcast Anniversary & College Football Excitement
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Jordan
What's good, everybody? Welcome in to another episode of Get Defensive Sports Network's Power 2 podcast. As always, um' your host, Jordan, and I'm here with my co-host, DJ. And we have not recorded live in weeks.
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I know. i know.
00:00:25
Jordan
How are you living?
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am fantastic. And you know why I'm fantastic? Because this, and I know you are going to be like, but I don't care. I'm saying it anyways. This is our one year anniversary of this show. Ish.
00:00:39
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On the day you're listening to it, it's the one year anniversary. So obviously this is the day before. And I just feel so overjoyed to be doing this again. I'm so excited. is my second full season of college football.
00:00:49
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I feel like a new person. I can't believe I've been living my life this entire time, not watching it every Saturday. So like, It's cute, I'm excited. I'm living good. have lashes on today. It's good day.
00:00:58
Jordan
So that's a good day. Well, I'm happy for you. happy for us a year.
College Football vs. NFL: Which is More Exciting?
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Jordan
um um ah Well, yeah, I'm happy for you that you finally listened to me and recognized the joy of college football.
00:01:13
Jordan
um I genuinely believe and and the thing is, it's always funny because like, I don't press like my friends about many things. So it's just like, if I'm pressing you, it's probably because it's, you know, like I'm not saying I'm always right, but if I'm pressing you, I'm probably right. And I've been trying to get more of my friends like watch college football, especially if you like football.
00:01:33
Jordan
Because just like the NFL, in my opinion, is just watered down compared to college sports.
00:01:39
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Yeah.
00:01:40
Jordan
And if you like college sports, I feel like if you like sports, Almost all of them, I think the college version is better. Like, and not on some like old, yeah, and not on like some old stuff.
00:01:49
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A lot of the times. Yeah. Yeah.
00:01:53
Jordan
Because there's a lot of people like it's better because they're not getting paid. That's dumb. It's just like less medicinal, like less like, like sometimes professional sports feels like when you go into a hospital.
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Well, professional sports are a lot more, um. They're less risky, right? Because these people like winning is, is what pays the bills. Winning is what gets them to not saying that that's not the same for college, but it is a little different when, you know, your, your job and your everything like it's hinging upon whether or not you win.
00:02:25
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So the the game itself just becomes more formulaic and it becomes more like we're going to run the triangle offense in basketball instances.
00:02:29
Jordan
yeah Yeah, it feels like when you
00:02:32
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Like we're going to do the more simple plays. We're not going to do flea flickers in the NFL because the the chances of failure is higher than just doing a regular, you know, handoff. So it's just like, it's, it's a matter of like the game just becomes less like exciting because the, I feel like the point is a little bit different.
00:02:53
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Whereas like in college, it's like,
00:02:57
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I was about to say. And college is like, you know, you're you're putting it all out there.
00:02:58
Jordan
um
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you're You're still auditioning when you're in college. You know what I mean?
00:03:02
Jordan
Yeah.
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Once she why did you made it, you made it. So
00:03:05
Jordan
Yeah, it just sort of feels like when you go to a hospital, it's just sterilized. It's very kind of white and gray,
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yeah. Yeah.
Patrick Mahomes' Evolution
00:03:12
Jordan
bright light.
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Jordan
I mean, the example that I'll give to this is like I've been listening to – I say this all the time.
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Yeah. Smells like alcohol.
00:03:19
Jordan
I listen to a lot of sports podcasts. That's what I do. And I listen to some NFL podcasts, and they've been talking about Patrick Mahomes and just like how he's still the best, if not one of the best quarterbacks of all time, but now he's like – like physically to watch he's boring like you could argue that he's more effective but like he's not as much doing the crazy throws he's not doing the running around even like like Josh Allen is doing it but he's doing it even less than he was right like you like to reach a certain level you sort of just have to like hone some of that stuff down
00:03:37
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yeah
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He's not exciting. Yeah.
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Yeah.
00:03:58
Jordan
And so, it again, it does not make you any less good of a quarterback, but it does make you mildly less exciting to watch. Like, Patrick Mahomes, three, four years ago, was much more exciting to watch than last year.
00:04:11
Jordan
And last year's also a little bit tough because of his wide receivers and things like that. But, like, just, like, if you take everyone off the field, if you were just watching him, how he performed, in the pocket, when he ran, the types of throws he made, like, that sort of stuff, if he slid like that, like, he just...
00:04:15
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Yeah.
00:04:26
Jordan
He's more sterile. It's just like a more, you know, he's...
00:04:29
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It's formulaic. It's like, we do this, we do this, we do this, we do this, or we do this, or we do this because, and then again, I think it's also interesting using Pat Mahomes as an example because of like the immense success that Kansas city has had.
00:04:30
Jordan
Yeah.
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So you can imagine, it's going to start to become a little formulaic at a point because it's been working for them, you know?
00:04:47
Jordan
Yeah.
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So it's like, there's also that, because I feel like you can say the same thing about Tom Brady during that Superbowl run where it's like, he was not all, he was never the most exciting quarterback to watch, but what they accomplished was what was exciting about the Patriots.
00:04:53
Jordan
Well, Tom Brady was never fun to watch.
00:04:58
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But he got the job done.
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So I think that's the other thing too, is like, Because Pat Mahomes still has it in him like a little bit, like eat it but it's not ever going to be at that level also because the hunger isn't there.
00:05:06
Jordan
Yes.
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How many Super Bowls has he won now? Three? Two? I don't know. and Sorry, I'm not a brain counter.
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Jordan
So, yeah.
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I don't know. But he's been the Super Bowl a lot is
Unpredictability of College Football
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the point.
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Jordan
Yes.
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He's won multiple times is the point. So he's not as hungry in the same way that he would have been in his first couple years in the league where he's playing with one of the worst teams. Now he's playing with one of the best teams and they're just going to keep doing what they need to do to stay in the best team.
00:05:32
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So it's like, i don't know. But either way, the college version of football is immensely better. I have been converted. But I also feel like it's important to note that like I just didn't grow up in an environment where we watched college football.
00:05:40
Jordan
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:05:45
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I grew up in an environment where we watched NFL. My family is not those fans.
00:05:47
Jordan
yeah
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So like we're watching NFL, we're watching the Cowboys. Like we're not watching college football ever. And if we were watching it, we were going watch like the bigger brands like Texas and, you know, stuff like that. So.
00:06:00
Jordan
yeah Yeah, and and I think the last thing on this, because like, you know, we've made our point, I talk about this all the time. I also just think because of the age, there's just more excitement. Like, just like, and I don't even just talk about like celebrations.
00:06:12
Jordan
Like NFL celebrations are fun. Like, they're all a bunch of grown-ass man-child, and I say that positively.
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Oh yeah.
00:06:17
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doing high school musical and choreography.
00:06:18
Jordan
Like, yeah, you know what I mean? Like, that's not, it's just like, I just kind of like the joy in the past. I feel like it's little bit different. than you know You get like the turnover chains and the theatrics
00:06:30
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Yeah, we had club turnover at SMU, yeah.
00:06:32
Jordan
yeah and like some of that sort of stuff.
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Yeah.
00:06:34
Jordan
And then the last thing is just to your point of sort of being formulaic. The NFL is also formulaic because there's nothing new under the sun.
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yeah
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Jordan
So i at this point, at least a third of the NFL runs the same offense because it came from the...
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Yeah.
00:06:50
Jordan
The Kyle Shanahan tree, like everyone wants a Shanahan guy, like defense is a little bit more different, but like there's that still, you know, maybe it's not a third, but maybe it's a fifth, right, of them that are running the same defense or or there's like two main sort of defensive styles.
00:07:04
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Yeah.
00:07:07
Jordan
And so it's really just like who does the same thing the best. And then as soon as it works, you hire that guy's offensive coordinator and he does the same thing.
00:07:11
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yeah
00:07:15
Jordan
And then when that works, like, you know, when he leaves, they put up the wide receivers coach and he does the same thing and then he's good.
00:07:21
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Yep.
00:07:22
Jordan
So someone else hires him and it just, now you're at 2025 where, know,
00:07:24
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It's the same tree. Yeah.
00:07:26
Jordan
where
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Yeah.
00:07:27
Jordan
10, 12, 15 of the teams are running some version of Kyle Shanahan's offense. like So it's I also think it's just more variety and in various things.
00:07:37
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I didn't think about that either. Yeah, that's true. And I think that's what made the Detroit Lions as entertaining as they were last year because they probably had one of the most unique offenses that anybody had really seen in a long time because why is that man's a name leaving my head?
00:07:51
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Dan? What's their coach's name?
00:07:52
Jordan
Dan Campbell.
00:07:54
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Dan Campbell. He's running a lot of the shit that he ran when he was a player, obviously, when he played on the Cowboys. And, right? Did I just make that up?
00:08:02
Jordan
Are you playing the Cowboys?
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He did.
00:08:05
Jordan
Yeah. Well, he's, he's doing that.
00:08:07
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Not for the majority it's committed, but.
00:08:08
Jordan
Yeah. He's doing that. and his offensive coordinator is also a Sean Payton guy. So they're running a lot of like early 2010s, New York, saint New Orleans Saints stuff.
00:08:16
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Exactly. Exactly.
00:08:18
Jordan
But then to that, to that point, that offensive coordinator now the head coach of the bears.
00:08:23
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Yeah.
00:08:23
Jordan
So the bears are about to be running that. And then they kept, they promoted someone.
00:08:25
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Yeah.
00:08:27
Jordan
So it's again, it's only two teams, but like, if they're successful, now you get another one next year, maybe it's three teams, right? Like,
00:08:34
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Yeah, but it's at least more entertaining.
00:08:35
Jordan
We don't know until it's... Yes.
00:08:36
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It's at least more entertaining. And that's one thing I can give them is that the Detroit Lions for me was the most fun team to watch besides watching Washington. But I was watching Washington because I was watching Jaden because Jaden was interesting.
00:08:45
Jordan
Yeah.
00:08:46
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But that's one thing that's fun. Or even the whole like Philly tush push, the the brotherly shove thing that only Philly was running. They tried to get a band.
00:08:55
Jordan
Yeah.
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They didn't get a band. But it's fun because it's their thing, you know?
00:08:56
Jordan
Because...
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The
00:08:58
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Yeah, because they're trying to, then they like, no fun league. Like, let me talk about the NFL's no fun league.
00:09:02
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thing,
00:09:03
Jordan
They literally tried to ban it. So it's just, whatever.
00:09:05
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They tried to ban it.
00:09:06
Jordan
You all,
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And I love that they stood on business and said, no, we're not, because there's nothing wrong with the play.
00:09:07
Jordan
Okay,
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Y'all just mad because you don't have a defense for it. Figure it out.
00:09:13
Jordan
you know I'm saying?
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Watch some film. I don't know. Get some bigger niggas. I don't know, but figure it out.
00:09:17
Jordan
Something.
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Like it's, it's fun to watch.
00:09:18
Jordan
Something, listen. But...
00:09:20
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Please. We like to watch it. We love to know that when they're on a fourth and one, no matter where they are on the field, they're going to give us a brotherly shove. It's fine. Shit.
00:09:27
Jordan
You know, um with I'm with it. with it.
00:09:30
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Anyway.
00:09:30
Jordan
So, yeah, but I mean, if you're listening to the show, you like college football.
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anyway
00:09:34
Jordan
We got DJ on our side. on And, the and the yeah, I mean, I still watch the NFL. I watch it every week. But college football is definitely my sort of go-to for sure.
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That's the highlight.
00:09:44
Jordan
So to hop into the podcast, we have one – first of all, it's preview season.
00:09:53
Jordan
So football is here. I've been seeing a bunch of things. I think that says that we're six weeks away. So this is my time. This is my reminder that if you are listening to this podcast, we get better during the football season because that's, I mean like this podcast more than others, we do talk about other sports, but like football is my main thing. So like there's a, there's a lot to talk about in football season.
00:10:14
Jordan
Also.
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Tell your fans, tell tell your family, tell your friends, tell your coworkers, like, You know, help us help you. Share the podcast.
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one
00:10:29
Jordan
Don't be greedy. Like, what you...
00:10:31
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You love us, our personalities are great, share it with the world.
00:10:35
Jordan
And I understand that there's a lot of people, right? There's a lot of people. Everyone's number goes up in the season. If you care about football, you may not be listening to a podcast that talks about football in May. you may not be talking You may not be listening to a podcast that's talking about the WNBA in May because you you only watch football. You have a coworker that only watch football, whatever.
00:10:55
Jordan
Well, it's football season. Share the podcast.
Promoting the Podcast
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Send the link. You know where to find this. On YouTube, the Defensive Sports podcastca Network. On Instagram, Big Defensive Sports Network.
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Jordan
On TikTok, GD Sports.
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DD Sports Network.
00:11:09
Jordan
Like, stop playing.
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Period. Join us.
00:11:11
Jordan
It's preview season. And we are previewing today the Big 12. The Big 12. The arguably the most fun conference.
00:11:23
Jordan
um The most... And inarguably the most chaotic.
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Oh my gosh. Mess. Just mess.
00:11:29
Jordan
Like...
00:11:31
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Are we not doing the news then?
00:11:33
Jordan
yeah we don't
00:11:34
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Oh, that is continued. Mess. Just mess.
00:11:36
Jordan
Just mess. But before that, of course, we do have news. We have things that we want to talk about. Really, only one
Unrivaled: New Women's Basketball League
00:11:42
Jordan
thing. Unrivaled signed 14 women's basketball players to NIL deals.
00:11:48
Jordan
If you do not remember what Unrivaled is or you do not know what Unrivaled is, Unrivaled is a new three-on-three basketball league that was founded by two current WNBA players, Nafisha Collier and Stewie.
00:12:02
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Yes.
00:12:03
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and Brianna Stewart of the Minnesota Lynx and the New York Liberty. um And it is a off season iteration basketball options so that people don't have to go overseas.
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Option. Yeah.
00:12:16
Jordan
um They don't have to deal with sort of the politics and the travel and being away from the family and things like that, but they also get paid more money. um And it was very fun. it is was very successful and and the brand is growing and They signed 14 players, DJ.
00:12:34
Jordan
Do you want to talk about the 14 players?
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Yes.
00:12:35
Jordan
Do you want to talk about Enron?
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Of course. I'm going to double them off, obviously.
00:12:36
Jordan
How are we living? What are we doing?
00:12:38
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So this is obviously not the first time that Unrivaled has signed college players to NIL deals. Last year, they have Flage and Johnson and Paige Beckers as the college players that they had signed. And they just did simple things, promotion, videos, those sorts of things. So we can imagine that these deals are going to turn out a similar way.
00:12:55
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But what's really cool is that Nafisa Collier has been very clear about what it is that they're really wanting to do, and that is partnering with highlighting and continuing to elevate and platform the best players in women's basketball and they want to start as early as possible um and help build these women's platforms before they even get to the WNBA. the 14 are as follows.
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the fourteen players are as follows too Juju Watkins, duh, Lauren Betts, Hannah Hidalgo, AZ Fudd, Sarah Strong, Olivia Miles, Madison Booker, Kiki Rice, Malaysia Full Wiley, Audi Crooks, Tania Latson, Silas Swartz, and Sienna Betts, which is Lauren Betts' little sister.
00:13:20
Jordan
Of course.
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All of those names, if you are a women's basketball college fan, should be recognizable to you. Most of them at least, especially if you know with the Sarah Straum, my late football volley, Judy Watkins, they have really high profiles. Judy Watkins, what a flex. She is an investor in this league, and now she's basically getting paid to promote it, which is like lit as fuck.
00:13:55
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um But a lot of people are thinking that this is kind of the unrivaled way of showing that they are really trying to position themselves as a developmental league for the WNBA. If the WNBA is not going to invest in a sort of G League sort of structure like the NBA has or a summer league or things like that, where there's a place for these this young talent to be fostered and developed, I think Arrivaled is basically raising their hand and saying we're going to be that place for them. So I don't know it's going to turn into actual play from them. I don't think so. I don't think they can.
00:14:25
Jordan
No, because it happens during college basketball season.
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um by Yeah. So it's not going to be like, don't expect them to be playing or anything like that, but they're definitely going to be involved. They're going to be representing the brand. They're probably going to be out there for some, for during a point where they're not actually playing.
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So, um, yeah.
00:14:41
Jordan
and ah And I think it's also a sign of like, hey, when you graduate, we do want you to play.
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and
00:14:47
Jordan
You know what I mean?
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we want you hear. Yeah.
00:14:49
Jordan
Like, unless, like, Paige is going to be in the rivalry next year. You know saying?
00:14:52
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Yeah.
00:14:52
Jordan
Like, obviously, Flasier didn't come out, so she got signed a second time as as a sponsor, as an ILO athlete, but like,
00:14:52
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Yeah.
00:14:59
Jordan
if she would have come out, Flaje would have been in run ride next year. Like, like that's sort of also sort of like getting them, um getting into them early, all the things that you're talking about, their career and stuff like that, but also using their platform because we understand the platform of college basketball, but also just like building that relationship and being like, Hey, when you come into the league and currently, unless they change it,
00:15:03
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yeah
00:15:24
Jordan
you're making $75,000 a year. As soon as that season's over, we'll pay you $150,000, whatever it's to be, $200,000.
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We'll pay $220.
00:15:33
Jordan
And that's another that's some extra money in your pocket. You don't have to worry about being 21, 22, figuring out Russia, figuring out um Europe, Spain,
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Croatia, whatever.
00:15:45
Jordan
croatia Japan, like all of these other places that a lot of them had to figure out. You don't have to be away from your family and doing all these things. We are going to pay you to play basketball and and still continue to use your following and and and build.
00:16:01
Jordan
and Because that's the other thing that I saw someone say. think it's very important. is it's like It's hard to get brand deals when you spend half of the year in another country. you know what saying?
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Yep.
00:16:11
Jordan
Like Angel Reese is Angel Reese, of course. But like how many more brand deals did she get by being here and being in Unrivaled and being able to go to these events and and show up at these places and be on TV versus if she had to spend those couple of months in Spain, right?
00:16:30
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And so like that stuff does matter. And even for me who... like I learned new names from Unrivaled. We were talking, I'm like, who is this?
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I loved it. He wass like number 32 on red.
00:16:41
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It's just more like
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Who is that?
00:16:43
Jordan
Yeah, like it's just another way for fans to sort of get involved with players and and stuff like that. So, you know, we we don't need to sing in Rivals praises.
00:16:53
Jordan
We do that all the time. We did that as soon as it started. But yeah, and and I think, I mean, the two from 2 to 14 shows their expected growth as well. And the fact that these players who are at the top of their sport,
00:17:02
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Oh yeah.
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respected enough and want to put their names on. Like, Flauze is huge at this point. She's not just putting her name on nothing.
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Huge.
00:17:12
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You know what I'm saying?
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Yeah.
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like like Like, yeah.
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Juju is ginormous.
00:17:15
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Like, Juju is juju is literally they're about to give her a shoe.
00:17:16
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Like...
00:17:20
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Like, she's not just putting her name on something. You know what mean?
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Yeah.
00:17:22
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Like, so, don't know.
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I'll say this as well.
00:17:24
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This is dope.
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i think Unrivaled is just... And this, want to be very clear, this is my opinion, me, Danasia, and this is my own speculation because I know that there's a lot of conversation that we'll get into a little bit later about potential unrivaled, basically like yeah There's a lot of um speculation about Unrivaled and the WNBA and and how they go together basically.
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But, and so this is my opinion, but I do think Unrivaled is low key trying to show at the WNBA that like you should be investing in the athletes while they're still in college. Because that is something that the WNBA has historically like not really been known to do is continue, is create continuity between the college brand and the WNBA brand of their newer athletes. I would argue that's why they blew up in the way that they did last year and not in years before that, because they're, they have some of the college greats in the WNBA, but they never create that continuity.
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um And who's to say, who knows why i have I have always said, I believe that the league is being led by people who want it to fail, but that's a whole nother thing I can't get into. So I think Unrivaled is also showing like, Hey, There's a way to create continuity with these athletes, these young athletes, and go ahead and get hot on their brands early, get ah associated with them early.
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So that way we can continue to grow the actual league itself. And that's a very, very big gap that the WNBA has. So there's also that. And then it's not to say that they have to do too much, but the fact that like just this last year or two years,
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is when they started doing like games back at the colleges um to promote, you know, obviously like they had Asia play back at South Carolina as for the preseason last year. And then they have four games that were back at colleges for preseason. Like, it's like, hello, y'all probably should have been doing that.
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So I don't know. I just think sometimes I'm rivaled to just be like, hey, we're better than you at this. Good job.
00:19:16
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Oh, yeah, for sure.
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But I thought,
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And I don't even think it's just talking about like the college thing. I think it's just talking about white supporting your players and their brand in general.
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supporting who's coming up exactly.
00:19:30
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like They're like, you could do a better job with Stewie. You could do a better job with with Asia. You could do a better job with Paige. It's all of them. like
00:19:41
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00:19:41
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You know, we'll get into it again next year when the rival is coming around because i'm sure that there will be new changes. But, like, just the the access they've provided, the the way that they use social media, the some of the very intentional things that they did. Like, they did it because they're like, you could if you take full advantage of this, this is going it's not just about play. It is going to help your brand.
00:20:04
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And the WNBA is not the only league that is really bad at branding their players.
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Cough, cough the NBA. But, but, but, yeah, so, cool, cool, cool, cool.
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Their dad. Yeah.
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Yeah. It's good times. ah The one last thing I want to share, I just thought this was really interesting, is between that group of 14 individuals, they combined for 32 NCAA tournament appearances, 25 Sweet 16 appearances, 14 Elite 8 appearances, 10 Final Four appearances, and four national championships.
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Them ladies at some hoopers.
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That's a group. That is a group. The
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Like they didn't go get just random women's players.
00:20:44
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Big 12.
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They went and got the literal best of the best. That's iconic. I love it. So can't wait see how that turns out. um I am anticipating the unrivaled season so much just because it was so much lighter, so much more fun, so much more wholesome than the current WNBA season. But we'll talk about that later. Now to the Big Ten.
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Big 12.
00:21:04
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ah big to it's it's It is.
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I have Big Ten in front of me.
00:21:08
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It is.
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That's what's wrong with me. Big 12.
00:21:12
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You know, the Big Ten's the best. But that's not what we're going to talk about today. Today, we're talking about the 12.
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All right.
00:21:18
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So as a quick refresher,
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In case you were wondering, who is
Big 12 Conference Overview
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in the Big 12? Because this is a question that it feels like we have to ask all the time. This is only the second year of the newest, like of the most recent format.
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and yeah
00:21:32
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And the big conferences, the Power 4 conferences haven't had changes, but there are still changes. Like, 2026 is going to be totally different. for I mean, the Pac-12 is coming back, and which means that's changing all of the...
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I can't do this.
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the G5 conferences and all of that sort of stuff. So at the power four level, there were no changes, but it's still a good reminder to, to know like what teams are in the conferences.
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oh
00:21:56
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So the big 12 has Arizona state, Arizona, Cincinnati, Colorado, Houston, Kansas, Oklahoma state, Utah.
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I miss Baylor, Baylor, Utah, TCU, Kansas state, Iowa state, BYU, Utah,
00:22:15
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WVU, and UCF.
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Yes. 16 teams in total.
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I think that's how you won. 16 teams.
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Yes.
00:22:23
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16 teams. So, as we did last year, we are going to focus these previews on sort of a couple of things, right? We're going to talk about some emerging storylines. We're going to look at top transfers. We're going to look at at contenders, dark horse contenders, critical matchups, and...
00:22:39
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Newly, because it's it is important and and it's so much that's going on. Everyone wants to talk about how many teams are going to get into the playoff and then all of these sort of things as it's 12 and going potentially 16 and all all the things that are happening with the playoff.
00:22:54
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How many playoff participants we think each conference is going to get. So, To start, as you should with the emerging storylines, we have a couple up here, but the first one I want to talk about is Arizona State without Cam Scadaboo.
00:23:09
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Arizona State is and ah in a really interesting position where they're bringing back a lot of their production, but they're not bringing back the most important player.
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Yeah.
00:23:24
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And so called it becomes this thing where it's like when you watched the Arizona State last year, they were good, but in almost all of their key moments, it was Cam.
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ah You know, like the the fact that they almost beat Texas was Cam, literally single-handed.
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Yeah. It was, he willed them.
00:23:43
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He was doing everything. he was throwing the ball.
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threw the ball.
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He was catching the ball.
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He ran the ball.
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He was rushing.
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he but I think he played on defense at one point.
00:23:47
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Like, he
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was.
00:23:48
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Yeah, I mean, it honestly honestly, if he would have played on defense on that fourth and nine, Texas probably wouldn't scored a touchdown.
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00:23:55
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So, like, so it's it's like, yes, right, they are bringing back so many of their pieces.
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yeah
00:24:03
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But what do they do without the sort of engine and the person who could –
00:24:13
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who like answered the ball, answered the call when they needed it. They're bringing back 35 of the 44 players on their 2D that was eligible to return in 2025.
00:24:24
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thirty five 35. In case you were wondering, you only play 11 players at a time. That means they're bringing back starters and backups who had key roles, including their quarterback and a lot of other places.
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00:24:37
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So you would think in a conference that we all sort of say is unpredictable and we're going to stick with that because i do agree with that. you're you're You're saying, okay, this conference is unpredictable, but you have Arizona State who won it last year, and you say they're bringing back 35 players.
00:24:56
Jordan
They're bringing back their quarterback. um They're bringing back their wide receivers. They're bringing back their offensive line. They're bringing back almost their whole defense, and and what they're losing, and are you could say maybe one player,
00:25:12
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um They brought in a transfer. They brought in a running back from Army who rushed for 1,100 yards, 6.2 yards per carry. So the question is sort of, are they just going to do it again, right? like Or is Cam a bigger loss than can sort of qualify? Yeah.
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I'll tell you this, I think Arizona State went as Cam Skadaboo went. So therefore, yes, they are returning a lot of production, but also to your point, like Cam's worst games were the games that they lost.
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um So, I mean, he had some bad games that they still ended up winning, but it's against Texas State and and and Wyoming. So um I'm going to say... i don't know I don't know about Arizona State.
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I really, really don't. I know we spoke about um before kind of giving like a more overarching like idea of who we thought was gonna make it from like less of a studying standpoint and more like opera vibes and and all of that.
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I think Arizona State has fight in them. I don't think they are going to completely suck, but ah this is the, who do we, who even is Arizona State without Cam?
00:26:23
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that That is a good question. The other thing that they're losing...
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Like who even are they? Like who's the next guy? Like who's, I don't know. So that's the biggest thing. It's kind of the same the same sentiment that I have towards Boise. And I know that's a different conference, but like who gives
00:26:35
Jordan
And Boise, of course, isn't bringing back as many people, but it is a very like salient point. like We don't expect Boise to be good this year because they don't have Aston Genty.
00:26:45
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Should we be expecting Arizona State to be good without Cam Scalib?
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I think that they're not, they're not going to make like a drastic fall, but I don't think they're like, oh my gosh, like they're the ones they're going to do it again. Because also let's be clear. Nobody was even thinking about Arizona state last year.
00:27:01
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Nobody was even thinking about Arizona state.
00:27:01
Jordan
ah
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We, I don't even think we talked about Arizona state for our last year's big 10 break ten Big 10, Big 12, Jesus. Preview. So that's also an indicator of like, okay, y'all had that one star that's really cool. Love that for y'all. But like, who are y'all really? I think this is the year that we're actually going figure that out because nobody was checking for y'all last year.
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And the only reason why we're checking for y'all this year is because of how well y'all did last year, but you did it off the back with somebody who's not there anymore. So.
00:27:28
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And, well, I will say slightly, that is definitely true on offense, but they did have a good defense. Like, on defense, they were 20th overall, fifteenth in rushing, 25th in passing, a top one-third defense, and they're bringing back a lot of those players.
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Yeah.
00:27:46
Jordan
So their defense did keep them in a lot of the games, although it also did didn't lose in the Texas game. But I think, you know, their hope is going to have to be that And the thing is also, we're not really you know we're not necessarily talking about where they fit nationally, but it's can they do it again in the Big 12?
00:28:03
Jordan
And I think that their hope has to be that they can't replace Cam, but maybe the quarterback, Sam Levitt, takes another jump, and then he becomes that, right?
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There can be some good production. Yeah.
00:28:15
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Like, when you have a young quarterback, you need a star running back or a star wide receiver.
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Yeah.
00:28:21
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When your quarterback is the star, then he's the one that's the engine. And so I guess the hope for them would be that in his second year as a starter, after coming onto the scene having really good year, that Sam Levitt is sort of ready to to fill that gap in, of course, a different way.
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To be that guy.
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I'll say schedule-wise, don't see them like having a crazy dip. like I still see ah a situation for them, maybe a 10-2 in some of the closer games. like i don't like I want to be clear, I think they have enough talent to to win games, but also their schedule it is favorable.
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so I think as far as like top teams in the Big Ten, they're only playing, what, two of them, it looks like? Maybe three? Yeah.
00:29:08
Jordan
Yeah, they're set to play Baylor and Texas Tech.
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Baylor, Texas Tech, TCU is the top team, depending on who you ask. um Utah, depending on who you ask. So, you know, but I don't think, based on the schedule, I don't think they're going to have a hard time getting wins.
00:29:25
Jordan
Yeah, for sure. um
00:29:32
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Next question. Next
Colorado's Prospects Without Key Players
00:29:33
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emerging storyline is Colorado.
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The next emerging storyline, my favorite one.
00:29:35
Jordan
um Colorado What do they look like without Shador and Travis? ah This is one thing that I do want to say. i think that, and credit's the wrong word, but I do think that we need to acknowledge that the as a general consensus, people were wrong about Deion in that he didn't want to coach college football and that he was going to leave as soon as his sons were there.
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Yeah,
00:29:58
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like in And in his sons, I'm also including Travis Hunter. That was basically one of his sons. He said that, Travis said that. They won big happy family vacation together, all that sort of stuff.
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his babies, his kids. Yeah, yeah.
00:30:09
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um
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He's at the wedding, whatever, yeah.
00:30:11
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So, yeah. So it's just like, what... does he want to do when when Shador is not there, when Travis is not there, when Shiloh is not there. And he's stayed. He signed a five year contract.
00:30:24
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And he he is all set on being the coach. Of course, he hit the transfer portal. He stole a borderline five-star quarterback from USC. He went and got one of the better quarterbacks in the transfer portal.
00:30:36
Jordan
He's doing these things where it's very much like year three now.
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Liberty. Yeah.
00:30:41
Jordan
We don't know what year three looks like, but as far as the Dion angle, we can we no longer have to question if he is committed to the job.
00:30:53
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So then the question becomes, which is our storyline, because it is Dion, and there's still going to be Oz, and there's still going to be maybe less hype, of course, but...
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Yeah, of course.
00:31:02
Jordan
there's still will be eyes and and and things like that and they put themselves in a position that a lot of teams put themselves in where it's like okay you did something like so what happens next what do they look like without Shadour and without Travis and we ah we keep saying Shadour and Travis but they did lose so much more than that like they lost um uh they lost what is that wide receiver's name um there was another really good wide receiver that they had uh
00:31:19
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Yeah.
00:31:26
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Yeah.
00:31:32
Jordan
I can't think of it right now. But there's like like they had a wide receiver who would have been their wife best wide receiver if Travis Hunter also didn't play.
00:31:35
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yeah
00:31:42
Jordan
Like, he was legitimately – LeJonte Western or something like that, he was legitimately good wide receiver. So they lost other people on defense and and various things like that. But, of course, Chador and Travis are the big names.
00:31:55
Jordan
So it just is what it is.
00:31:58
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I think that the thing about Colorado, I think this is going to be like the first, and I said this already, you know, this first year that you're really going to see like Deion's coaching chops, like what he's really going to be able to do.
00:31:59
Jordan
What it look like
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Cause they also, I mean, there was also the attitude that he wasn't to be all that successful last year as well. And he still managed to pull out a successful um season, you know, given, given given,
00:32:20
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Nine wins.
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given where they were at prior right I mean in 2023 the only one four games last year they won one two three four five was at seven eight nine but at the end of the day three and nine against powerful opponents so the real question is how is Colorado going to be able to stack up against
00:32:31
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They won nine.
00:32:40
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player against the power four. I think that's the bigger question, but he hit the transfer portal. Like you said they have some really, really great recruits. They've got a couple of coaching changes.
00:32:50
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I think the biggest thing also is that the offense will inevitably change um because you had a once in a lifetime wide receiver. And so the offense was very much air raid. It was very much put the ball in the air and get it to the playmakers.
00:33:03
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That is not obviously going to be their offense this year. So that's going be really interesting is to see how they, ah je And obviously the offensive line was such a liability last year. um Hopefully that gets cleaned up a little bit because they have a different quarterback and they obviously will have a different, I think they'll have a different runner this year as well.
00:33:21
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um So their offense is inevitably going to change. And I think that'll be interesting to watch them workshop through their first couple of weeks. oh Again, a favorable schedule, in my opinion, ish.
00:33:34
Jordan
Well, honestly, I think the hard thing with the favorable schedule thing is i don't think anyone in the Big 12 has a favorable schedule because they can all just beat each other, which is what happened last year.
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Georgia Tech.
00:33:43
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They can all beat each other. Yes, that is very true. But by favorable schedule, I mean more so like the amount of quote unquote projected top teams they have to play is more so what I'm getting at.
00:33:54
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But yes, every every game is going to be competitive because the Big 12. I mean, we were waiting until the last hour of the last day to figure out who was going to be in the Big 12 championship.
00:33:58
Jordan
As far as...
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Like...
00:34:04
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Yeah, and and as far as the way, like, if we're looking at the teams that, even just the teams that we're considering contenders, they play two of them.
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Debra Ruhl- Two of them
00:34:13
Jordan
And one of the teams that we're considering contender is not, at least that I'm considering contender, is not a consensus contender for other people. So if we're looking at just, like, what people think are going to be the top three teams, they only play one. They play Arizona State.
00:34:27
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yeah. Debra Ruhl- yeah. Ruhl- starting the season playing Georgia tech is paid after them. Debra Ruhl- But.
00:34:35
Jordan
Which is a funny thing to say where it's just like, like, to speak of how college football changes and the good of Deion and just the good of everything, the fact that, like, we are interested in a Colorado-Georgia Tech game, like, five years ago, nobody would care about that.
00:34:49
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Nobody's gonna care. Like nobody gave call.
00:34:50
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Like, but, like, this year, that like, that is a good game. Like, these are two teams that are sort of, like, fighting to find...
00:34:57
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Their identities.
00:34:57
Jordan
an identity and and making back-to-back bowl games.
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Yeah.
00:35:00
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Like, that's the goal. I think Georgia Tech maybe did it. ah Colorado, the hope is to make back-to-back bowl games this year because obviously did last year and so on and so forth.
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Yeah.
00:35:08
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um But to your point, yeah, the offense is going to very different, largely because they have a quarterback now who can run the ball. um ah Like, I mean, Shadour couldn't run to save his life.
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I hate you. It's the way you say things. It's just the way you say things.
00:35:24
Jordan
like
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Hopefully, he's going to have to learn how to do it in the NFL. So, well,
00:35:27
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Nah, he's not. he If you can't run in college, you're not going to start running in the NFL.
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well, well i was about to say the the way that they protect quarterbacks is such an intensely ridiculous level in the NFL. It's also like he probably will never even have to add that to his game.
00:35:42
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That's why I was like, actually, hold on.
00:35:44
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he He can't add it to his game. He just doesn't have it. Um, they, they're, they're, they're, well, I mean, it's not even about development.
00:35:47
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Yeah, he there is no development.
00:35:53
Jordan
he just doesn't have, like, he's not that kind of athlete. Like, he has a lot of skills in a lot of areas.
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Yeah.
00:36:00
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Rushing is not one of them. And you are not going to do that when everybody on the defensive line is 300 pounds and runs a Like,
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I'm...
00:36:07
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If you couldn't do it in college where some of them people run a 5'2 and are never going to play in the league, you're not doing it in the league where, you know, Ndamukong Su 320 pounds and runs a Like, you're not – he's not doing that.
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Oh, God.
00:36:21
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So – but their current –
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I am just, I'm holding out hope. Anybody can develop. That's all i' say I'm saying.
00:36:26
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but you can't develop running skills.
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I'm holding out hope. No, obviously not.
00:36:29
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Like, you can't develop speed.
00:36:29
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But I'm saying, no, you can't develop speed, but you might be able to develop, you know, more elusiveness.
00:36:31
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I'm not like – but that I'm – yeah.
00:36:35
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That doesn't necessari necessarily mean he's going run for 20 yards, but like, he might be able to develop a little bit more of that. But anyways, it doesn't matter.
00:36:42
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He better hope so. um there
00:36:44
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We'll get into that when it happens.
00:36:45
Jordan
Their quarterback, their new expected quarterback, Caden Salters, he had a great year Not as good last year, but in he put passing yards,
00:36:58
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ah thousand russian yards and forty four total touchdown
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Oh.
00:37:01
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Oh, period.
00:37:01
Jordan
So, like, that is ah another sort of beast, and he needs it because one of Shador's best qualities is that he was tough, and we found out how tough he was because he got beat up playing behind that offensive line.
00:37:16
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Yeah.
00:37:16
Jordan
Caden Saltz is going to run a little bit more, and he's probably going have to because, again, we don't know what offensive line looks like. So um that is a question.
00:37:23
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Yeah. And they have no receivers. I mean, not that they have no receivers, but nobody is coming back. So they lost the whole one.
00:37:29
Jordan
Yeah, literally, they did lose all of their receivers.
00:37:33
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that'll be that'll be um interesting pretty much.
00:37:36
Jordan
Their receivers are transfers.
00:37:39
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Yeah, that'll be interesting all around. But I think the big i think the coolest thing about this and ah think the coolest thing about this is the way that Colorado's brand has been able to be elevated.
00:37:49
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I think they said their applications are up 20% just because of Dion being there and coaching and elevating their profile and their brand and all of that. And of course, like with the whole like concept of him coming from, um, whatever school he was at for, why can I think Jackson, Jackson state?
00:38:07
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um and bringing a lot of those guys with him. And and of course, a lot of people are going want to play for Colorado because they want to play for Dion. um I just love it because Colorado just wasn't the type of it wasn't a school that you associated really with football in that same like way.
00:38:23
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So I love it. I think it's cool.
00:38:28
Jordan
Yeah, for sure. um Next and last question.
Texas Tech's Transfer Strategy
00:38:36
Jordan
All transfer Texas Tech.
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Yes.
00:38:39
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This is crazy.
00:38:39
Jordan
Texas Tech,
00:38:40
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crazy
00:38:43
Jordan
this is a really interesting thing and for just all of college football in general. But this is really sort of interesting for me for one thing. And and my one of my various brands that I sort of stick behind is I am far from anti-transfer portal.
00:39:01
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But I do not think you can build a real winner in the transfer portal. So I think the question with Texas, who?
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But USF did it.
00:39:13
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USF, University of South Florida, did just make that FSU, Florida State, FSU, sorry.
00:39:18
Jordan
Yeah, and then look what happened the next year.
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I know, but I'm just saying they did do it.
00:39:22
Jordan
So, and they had less transfers, to be clear.
00:39:26
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They did.
00:39:26
Jordan
Like Florida State, their best players were transfers, but they had a team around them.
00:39:31
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Oh yes.
00:39:31
Jordan
Like Texas Tech, and just about everybody who's playing, like just about everyone who's playing is a transfer.
00:39:34
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They're building a team on transfers.
00:39:38
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And then on top of that, they're having two new coordinators. So like everybody's new, everything is new.
00:39:43
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yeah yeah
00:39:45
Jordan
And I just have this sort of thing where it's just like – I know like if you're not really in the sports, you really don't pay attention to things like that, it can be easy to like to like shoo away things like culture and leadership and like that sort of stuff.
00:40:01
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continuity yeah
00:40:01
Jordan
But that stuff really does matter, even in the pros, but especially in college with with younger kids, right?
00:40:06
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yeah
00:40:08
Jordan
um And you need that sort of accountability. You need that leadership. You need the person who is getting the extra reps and stopping them from blacking out and drinking. and like oh like Coaches can only do so much, right?
00:40:18
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Yeah.
00:40:19
Jordan
And when you have transfers, everyone coming in it's really hard. The other thing with the transfer thing for me is everyone, when you're bringing in these transfers, you're promising them two things. You're promising them money and you're promising them that they're going to start.
00:40:36
Jordan
There are obviously some players who have a team first mentality. And so if things go different for them, maybe they're okay with that. But a lot of times, and like you started to hear like little like rumblings with Oregon last year about some of their transfer players being unhappy because they weren't getting exactly what they promised, this, that, and the third.
00:40:56
Jordan
And so um I think that I just, it's going to be an interesting case. of just What does a team look like when almost everyone is a transfer, right?
00:41:08
Jordan
um And I think there's two ways to look at this, right?
00:41:09
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yeah
00:41:13
Jordan
One, the first way to look at it is Does it work for them in that sort of like the Colorado but thing? Do they go from three wins to eight wins or three wins to nine wins?
00:41:25
Jordan
And it's like, okay, that was very successful for you. You had a good dc a year. You should be happy. Versus what I think Texas Tech's thing is, we want to build a team that can compete for national championship.
00:41:35
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For a championship. Oh yeah.
00:41:37
Jordan
um
00:41:38
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Yeah, because they want to be back in their Patrick Mahomes era.
00:41:38
Jordan
Texas...
00:41:41
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Like, you know, they want to be back in that space where they were successful and overwhelmingly successful football program. And they've invested a lot in it.
00:41:51
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I mean, first of all, Texas Tech in general is just a visit investing a lot.
00:41:53
Jordan
They were only so successful with Patrick Mahomes, by the way.
00:41:57
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Yes, but you know and you know i getting at.
00:41:57
Jordan
But...
00:41:59
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Patrick Mahomes is their is that what I'm getting at. But... Texas Tech is very interesting because clearly Texas Tech has a priority. Their boosters have a priority and that is to invest in their sports.
00:42:11
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You just saw that on the women's softball side things. Forgive me that her name has left my spirit. I don't know. I'm bad with names. But the first $1 million dollars deal in softball and so you're over here on this side of things and they're doing the $200 million dollars
00:42:24
Jordan
niger niger niger
00:42:26
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There we go. They're doing a $200 million dollars renovation to their stadium. They're clearly investing in these transfers because they wouldn't have this many coming if they weren't paying them. um So that's going to be very, very interesting. It's the same thing that we talked about kind of. It's similar to what we talked about with the Brooklyn Nets and why thought the Brooklyn Nets were not going successful. It's because sometimes too much of a good thing is not a good thing.
00:42:48
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So many of these transfers, I want to look, they have 13 four-star transfers at for one school. The entire conference has gotten 12 combined and they have brought 13 four stars.
00:43:03
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And i have always been somebody who's paid attention to the concept of like having too many stars, right? If you have 13 four-stars, you only play 11 people at once, okay? You have 13 four-stars, which means you have 13 guys who all were the best players wherever they were at.
00:43:20
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They are going to be expecting to be starters. They're going to be expecting to be built around. They're going to be expecting all those things. Somebody is not about to get that. Somebody is not about to get that. Plus, they also have to contend with the guys who have been there, the guys who have tenure, because a lot of times, obviously, the guys who have tenure are going to get a little bit of a preference in playing time, depending on where you know what position they play and things like that.
00:43:35
Jordan
Thank you.
00:43:40
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So they're also contending with the guys who are already there. I hate this. And I want to be clear, I don't hate it because of the transfer portal element of things. It's the same reason you know you're saying. I think that using the transfer portal to help build a team is ah is a great method of building.
00:43:57
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I just don't think... That you need that many. I don't think you need that many because yes on paper you're going to have all of these four star transfers you're going to have all of these great guys going to have all of this, you know talent in the room.
00:44:10
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But that doesn't mean that they're all going to mention this mean that they're all going to be able to play together and to your point. Where's the culture and who's the culture drivers? Because yeah, you can have a bunch of guys who are really, really great or they're four stars, but they may, they may be lazy. There are some guys who are four star recruits and they don't do nothing.
00:44:26
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They're just four stars. You know what i mean? Because they're just good, but they eat like shit. They don't take care of themselves. They don't have discipline. They don't have all these things. That's not to shade anybody, but I'm just saying that there are some four stars. five-star recruits that are just that because they're naturally athletic. It has nothing to do with their work ethic or their discipline level.
00:44:42
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Who's going to hold them responsible if the whole room is transfers? Like who's going to hold them responsible if the whole team, not the whole team, but theoretically the whole team, you know, like who's the culture of drivers, who's the culture setters, who's going to be the leaders, who's going to be, because as transfers too, you're not going to want to some of them, but I know for me, I'm not coming into a team and immediately thinking I'm running shit.
00:44:47
Jordan
And and
00:44:50
Jordan
I mean, effectively the whole team is transfers, yes.
00:45:05
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right you You look and you see what the system is and who's and who's the thought leader and who's the culture leader on the team. Who is that? Who's that going to be? Because it's going be a transfer just coming in and saying, okay, this is what we're going to do.
00:45:16
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They don't know the culture. They haven't been there. So yeah, I i feel like tech is going have a big issue with figuring out how all of these people are going to mesh. And you can only hope that they figure it out like soon enough to have a successful season.
00:45:30
Jordan
Yeah, and the ah the other thing with this, and this is, I think, is the hardest one to do, and Colorado is a big example of this. They essentially portaled their whole offensive line.
00:45:39
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Yeah.
00:45:40
Jordan
From my knowledge, there has not been one portaled offensive line that's been successful.
00:45:46
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Yeah.
00:45:46
Jordan
Because offensive line is so much about... continuity and mess meshing and um ah trust and and and and playing on the string and things like that.
00:45:54
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You have to be on one chord.
00:45:57
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Yeah.
00:45:58
Jordan
And it typically takes two years. Like, I hate to give credit to cheaters, but the the school that did the off offensive line transfer thing the best was Michigan.
00:46:00
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Yeah.
00:46:07
Jordan
But it was always because they would bring in one or two guys because they had so much depth.
00:46:10
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One. Yeah. yeah
00:46:13
Jordan
They had guys that played. It was like, we got four starters. We need a center. You go out and get the best center in the country. You can make that work. we We have three guys. We need a guard and a tackle. You go out and get some of the best, you can make that work. But you have the coach. You have the room. You have guys who got a bunch of snaps and all of this sort of thing.
00:46:32
Jordan
So you're supplementing. I wonder, like, there's, you know, people are very high on their on their quarterback. He had a pretty good year last year. But it's going to be an entirely different um offensive line.
00:46:40
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Yeah.
00:46:45
Jordan
Like, I mean, everything.
00:46:45
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Team, line, everything. Yeah.
00:46:47
Jordan
So
00:46:48
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So yeah. so
00:46:50
Jordan
I just, I don't fully buy the hype of Texas Tech because I understand that the talent may be there, but i feel like in more cases than not, the transfer thing, the especially the all transfer thing, doesn't work.
00:46:50
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yeah
00:47:07
Jordan
And all of the teams that sort of start that way in general, they end up moving sort of away from it. And so it's tough.
00:47:14
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Yes. The only team that has been successful with a bunch of transfers is TCU women's basketball. That is the only place I've seen it where the entire team, except for the girl who will be beating people, was transfers.
00:47:29
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that's the only place That's the only place that I have seen it where they have managed to quite literally turn the program around off the backs of everybody getting transferred.
00:47:29
Jordan
yeah It's 105. Yeah.
00:47:37
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But that's also a team that has a roster of 15. This is a roster of, i don't know how many in college men's basketball anymore because of all this stuff in NIL. hundred What it, 85 now? 115?
00:47:48
Jordan
it's hundred and five
00:47:49
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What is it? 105. So obviously, small case study.
00:47:51
Jordan
yeah
00:47:52
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But I mean, here's the thing. I'll put it like this, though, too, because you know I'm always real good at seeing both sides. If Texas Tech actually has success off of this, I can't wait to watch the documentary about it.
00:48:05
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Because this is historic.
00:48:05
Jordan
Yeah.
00:48:06
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What they're doing is historic. Bringing in this many transfers at one time, if that immediately translates to success, they have completely changed the landscape of how you can build football team.
00:48:16
Jordan
Yeah, so the other thing with that, though, is you have to talk about what is success.
00:48:21
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Yeah.
00:48:21
Jordan
And so Texas Tech, while maybe not like a media darling sort of situation, they've been to four straight bowl games.
00:48:28
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Yeah.
00:48:31
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Yeah.
00:48:31
Jordan
In 2021, they won seven games. 2022, they won eight games. 23, they won seven. 24, they won eight. So this isn't even like the Colorado thing where, like, you go from three to nine, everyone loves you.
00:48:41
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They're coming from trash. Yeah. Yeah.
00:48:43
Jordan
You're already at seven, eight.
00:48:45
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yeah
00:48:45
Jordan
You need to win 10. Like, like this isn't like you can't bring in all these transfers and win one extra game.
00:48:47
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Yeah.
00:48:51
Jordan
Like nobody's going to be happy about nine and three, especially if that nine and three doesn't include a spot in the big 12 championship game.
00:48:51
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yeah
00:49:00
Jordan
And so that's the other thing.
00:49:00
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that's what i was getting at.
00:49:02
Jordan
Like, it's different for a same conference. It's different for Colorado, right? It's different for, say, Nebraska, who hasn't made a bowl game in million years.
00:49:13
Jordan
You bring in transfers.
00:49:13
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years or whatever yeah
00:49:14
Jordan
You bring in a new coach. Everyone's happy with 6-6 because you haven't won six games in 10 years, right?
00:49:17
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yeah in 10 10 years literally 10 years yeah yeah oh no this is championship or bust it's championship or bust then that's what i'm saying if they actually make it if they actually make it to the big 12 championship
00:49:21
Jordan
so So, like, but you're eight. You won eight. You've been to four straight bowl games. This is to get you over the top.
00:49:33
Jordan
It's
00:49:36
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They actually put up a good performance in it because a lot of people are saying that the trial championship could potentially be ASU and Texas Tech. If they make it there and they get that playoff spot, and honestly, even if they can bounce out of the first round, if they get that playoff spot, they win the championship.
00:49:50
Jordan
it's go to be a
00:49:54
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I would not be shocked the absolute chaos that would ensue in the transfer portal after that because you just proved you prove that it's possible. Now, Granted, the next year is always what matters too, right?
00:50:06
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But still, if you come in and you come in hot, you get this many transfers and y'all have immediate success, that changes the landscape for a lot of people as far as how the transfer portal can be utilized.
00:50:19
Jordan
Yeah, i I disagree with that, but only because i just don't think...
00:50:23
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you always get to do your thing.
00:50:25
Jordan
No, I disagree with it because we've seen it... Like, this isn't the first team that's... Like, you mentioned, like...
00:50:30
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Let's try it. oh Oh yeah, of course, yeah.
00:50:31
Jordan
Yeah, and we've seen that it just doesn't maintain. So, like, I do agree that people are going to try it, but I think it's like...
00:50:34
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yeah would be interesting yeah they're gluttonous and greedy yeah
00:50:41
Jordan
I mean, a lot of teams are already trying it. Texas Tech is just has become the poster of it because their individual billionaire is very like public about it. so And, ah ah you know again, you could argue that they're being the most successful because, again, the 13 four-star transfers, like they are bringing in a really you know a really good number.
00:51:02
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yeah
00:51:02
Jordan
but But the other thing yeah the other thing that you sort of have to say with this, too, is just they're bringing in that number because they have to.
00:51:10
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Yeah.
00:51:10
Jordan
And yes, they're four-star transfers, but as soon as you take this conversation out of the Big 12, how do they compare it to Alabama, to Ohio State, to Oregon, to Penn State, to Texas?
00:51:18
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What are we talking about? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:51:21
Jordan
to you know like You are still doing this to compete in your conference.
00:51:23
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No.
00:51:27
Jordan
like
00:51:28
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yeah
00:51:28
Jordan
Let's be clear, this is not making them a national championship contender.
00:51:32
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no
00:51:32
Jordan
Now, if it works, maybe they have more buy-in. Maybe they keep doing it. Maybe eventually it goes somewhere. But i until proven otherwise, and the first team that's going to prove this, the first team that's going to prove this is Oregon.
00:51:41
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This is not a way to build a team.
00:51:46
Jordan
Until proven otherwise, an all-transfer team, a team that is not building through high school recruiting, is not going to win a national championship, in my opinion. And even Oregon is like shifting a little bit.
00:51:57
Jordan
They are still doing transfers, but like when you look at Oregon's roster, a lot of the players are going to be like people that they did in high school.
00:52:00
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Not at the same level.
00:52:06
Jordan
And I've had this conversation with Oregon where I'm like, hey, this transfer quarterback thing, like, oh, I don't know, because all it takes is you not to hit and then you have no depth. Like, you know, so we'll see.
00:52:17
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I agree.
00:52:18
Jordan
um
00:52:19
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They are the biggest wild card in the big 12 though, at this point.
00:52:19
Jordan
But yeah, so the
00:52:22
Jordan
and The biggest wild card in the biggest wild card conference. like it's just It's crazy.
00:52:26
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Isn't that and that something?
00:52:26
Jordan
It's going to entertaining.
00:52:27
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This is going to be so much fun to watch.
00:52:28
Jordan
um so
00:52:31
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The big 12, I'm telling you, man, just tap in. Because when you're talking about like competitiveness level, I really do think that these, because of all of the team's different situations, whether they're in rebuilds versus You know, coming off of having stars versus coaching changes, coordinator changes, all this.
00:52:50
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There's so much mercurialness in this in this particular league that, honestly, it really is any given Saturday with the Big 12. Like, any given Saturday.
00:52:59
Jordan
Yes.
00:53:00
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And I love it. I love it. I'm not the biggest fan of most of these brands, but except for Colorado, obviously. But I love it.
00:53:08
Jordan
Yeah. um Top transfers, just a couple of names.
00:53:14
Jordan
We'll see. For me, i think the I think the two most, and I really hate doing this because I'm very much not like a super heavy quarterback person.
00:53:16
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um thank you
00:53:25
Jordan
And I hate when everyone's like, the most impactful player is a quarterback. Like, i get it. Yes, it's true.
00:53:30
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Like, okay
00:53:31
Jordan
But like, there are other things to talk about. So I hate that the first two names of mine are going to be quarterbacks, but it is true for a very specific reason. The first one is Caden Salters, Colorado.
00:53:41
Jordan
I know we don't like to say this, but Caden Salter may be a better quarterback than Shador Sanders. So like, and Shador wasn't bad.
00:53:46
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okay. Probably, honestly.
00:53:49
Jordan
Like, don't get me wrong. Like, I never thought he was a first round talent. I also didn't think he was a fourth round talent, right? There are rounds in between there. um But Caden, especially, especially like, and I do think that Shador probably has more NFL potential.
00:53:58
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Second round,
00:54:03
Jordan
But when we're talking about college, having a guy who can throw for 2,800 yards and run for 1,000 and give you 44 touchdowns alone, right? And you could argue that he may have better players at Colorado than he had at Liberty, right?
00:54:20
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Yeah.
00:54:20
Jordan
That is interesting, right? And, like, that's, like, like you know?
00:54:22
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That's something to say. Yeah, no, you're right. But also it's a brilliant move. You lose Shador, you go and you get a fucking stud. Like that's what you do.
00:54:30
Jordan
Yeah.
00:54:31
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You don't, yeah, and you don't hope that this backup is going to, no, you go get you a fucking stud.
00:54:32
Jordan
Two plus two is four.
00:54:37
Jordan
Yeah. and And then the other guy is Devin Dampierre from New Mexico, who is similar. He's now at Utah. Utah, in my opinion, when this conference happened, I said the Big 12 is not going to one team that, like, dominates.
00:54:50
Jordan
But if they do, it is going to be Utah.
00:54:52
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It's gonna be Utah.
00:54:53
Jordan
And then Utah never got that chance because of injuries. They just got injured and injured and injured and injured.
00:54:56
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Yeah.
00:54:58
Jordan
Just so, like, like...
00:54:59
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Somebody was always in a in a hoodie on the sidelines.
00:55:00
Jordan
The level, yes, the level of injury that they dealt with is crazy. And so this year, they finally have a new quarterback. They're bringing a new offensive coordinator. They still have that good defense.
00:55:12
Jordan
And so it's like, we're not really talking about Utah, but if Devin Dampere is that guy, and you pair it with the fact that like Utah has, we're talking about offensive line,
00:55:24
Jordan
um I'm reading these things and listening to these podcasts. Utah, I believe, has two first-round picks on their offensive line.
00:55:30
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Oh, very.
00:55:30
Jordan
So they're going to have a great – they always have a great offensive line. So you're going to give this good quarterback a fucking brick wall to stand behind and then a good defense.
00:55:36
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A good?
00:55:41
Jordan
And it's like, hey, now.
00:55:43
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Utah might be back.
00:55:44
Jordan
you You know, like like but like, I'm talking about the Utah that was beating up on USC that was winning the Pac-12.
00:55:45
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Utah might just be back. ah
00:55:51
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No, yeah. Vintage Utah, yeah.
00:55:53
Jordan
Like, you know I'm saying? Like, you're bringing that team into the Big 12. When they came into the Big 12, I was like, damn, the Big 12 better watch out. And then the injuries happened.
00:55:59
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Don't sleep.
00:56:00
Jordan
This is the watch out year. Like, this might be the watch out year. This might be UC to Utah that was giving Caleb Williams hell.
00:56:05
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don sleep
00:56:08
Jordan
Like, UC to Utah that that was that was smacking up Oregon. like Like, you might see that Utah. And if you see that one, The Big 12 just better hope and pray.
00:56:16
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Everybody needs be scared. I'll say this, Devin Dampierre is like the perfect name for somebody who like should be playing for this.
00:56:21
Jordan
Yeah.
00:56:23
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Like it's just a perfect name. Like it's, I love it. Anyways, continue with our number, or I'm sorry, top transfers. i don't know why I can't talk.
00:56:30
Jordan
yeah So those two. And then the last one that I have, I have two more.
00:56:33
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Oh, okay.
00:56:36
Jordan
um the The next one I have is Chase Soho, wide receiver, Iowa State. Iowa State is not super being talked about in some of these conversations, and it's because they lost their two best wide receivers and some other things.
00:56:47
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Yeah.
00:56:48
Jordan
but like They won 10 games last year. They technically should be in this conversation. For them to get back into this conversation, they need someone for their quarterback to throw to. So if Chase can, like, I mean, Iowa had the set, like, it was Ohio State and Iowa State.
00:57:03
Jordan
Like, I know that sounds crazy, but, like, Ohio State had two wide receivers with over 1,000 yards.
00:57:03
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Yeah.
00:57:09
Jordan
Only one other program did that. It was Iowa State.
00:57:12
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I will say.
00:57:12
Jordan
It wasn't Oregon. It wasn't Bama. It wasn't Texas. It wasn't Georgia. It wasn't USC.
00:57:17
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Which is crazy that What's This Base didn't get a thousand yards.
00:57:19
Jordan
It wasn't, it was, who?
00:57:21
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What's his name? Ryan Williams? Is that the Bama guy?
00:57:24
Jordan
no, no. It's two wide receivers with 1,000 yards.
00:57:27
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Oh, oh, oh, oh, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
00:57:28
Jordan
Yeah, Ryan, actually, Ryan Williams, i don't think he got, i don't think he got 1,000 yards either.
00:57:30
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I'm caught
00:57:32
Jordan
He was really close. He was like nine something. He got, he, yeah, he like fell off a little bit.
00:57:34
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up. Damn, that's crazy. yeah
00:57:36
Jordan
He hit a rookie's fault. um So, yeah. And the last one, because just near and dear to my heart, have to pick a linebacker. have to pick a defensive guy. um Trey Latham, West Virginia linebacker. He's going to Kansas.
00:57:51
Jordan
um
00:57:53
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Kansas is on my watch list, let me tell you.
00:57:54
Jordan
Yeah. Yeah.
00:57:55
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Kansas is on my watch list.
00:57:55
Jordan
Yeah.
00:57:57
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I know we didn't talk about them because we were just talking about storylines. Kansas, dude, because their record really doesn't show how many games they were really just in. They were in so many of those games.
00:58:07
Jordan
Yes.
00:58:09
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Their biggest issue was finishing. Their biggest issue was being ah understanding what it takes to win under pressure. The group, for the most part, from what I understand, is pretty consistent. I know they lost... um
00:58:20
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What is his name? They were chanting his name in the last game. Is it Devin Miles? Am I making a name?
00:58:24
Jordan
I don't know. It's Devin Neal.
00:58:30
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Devin Neal.
00:58:31
Jordan
Who is that stud?
00:58:31
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Devin Neal.
00:58:33
Jordan
Boy.
00:58:33
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Oh, my God.
00:58:34
Jordan
Talk about running back.
00:58:35
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Literally, what the heck?
00:58:36
Jordan
Talk about, talk about, hey, boy.
00:58:37
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Like, we did not talk about Devin Neal enough last season. We really, really didn't.
00:58:39
Jordan
Yeah.
00:58:41
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But the thing I'm getting at with Kansas is Kansas, they're just a couple pieces away.
00:58:41
Jordan
oh
00:58:46
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They really, really are.
00:58:46
Jordan
yeah
00:58:47
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So, yeah. Shout out to them. They also got that. Didn't they get another linebacker? um He has an interesting name.
00:58:54
Jordan
Yeah, they did. They did. I do not know him though, so he could not be on the list because I didn't just want to say things. i had to talk about someone that I knew.
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Screaming. Well, he came from South Carolina, so but we'll see.
00:59:01
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Yeah, I had to talk about someone that I knew. And yeah.
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We'll see. His name is Bengali Kamara, which I love that last name.
00:59:11
Jordan
Yeah.
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Anyways, Chow, moving swiftly along from the transfers. So the contenders for the Big Ten. I'm going to keep saying big 10 and then when we have the big 10 episode, I'm going to keep saying big 12.
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Yep, you are.
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They should be named different.
00:59:24
Jordan
Don't disrespect me.
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Why they both got to be big. I don't understand.
00:59:28
Jordan
And only one is the biggest, the largest.
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The largest, correct. So
00:59:31
Jordan
Listen, which is hilarious because the Big 12 has all the Texas schools, and that's definitely a reference from a Texas rapper, but I'm absolutely talking about the Big 10.
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that should be, no, we ah we know.
00:59:41
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Look, look, look, know what I'm saying?
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We knew, but we were aware. Okay.
00:59:46
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That wasn't a, it wasn't under, like you weren't confused at all? Like you...
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No, I was not confused. You're an Ohio State fan. Anyway, Chow. So the contenders for the Big 12. Who do we think is going to win the Big 12? We have selected, and by simply I mean Jordan, has selected four schools.
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Because I agreed. Like when I saw who you put, I was like, yes, absolutely.
01:00:05
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Yeah.
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So the four schools that we think are going to be in the conversation for contending for the Big 12 are as follows. Arizona State, obviously. Baylor, Texas Tech, and Utah.
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Baylor, we didn't get a chance to really talk too much about. I'm not going to say nothing about Baylor because I have people Baylor, but if you feel like talking about Baylor, please go ahead.
01:00:28
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Yeah, i guess I guess we should because we did talk yeah like i guess we should because we we talked about everyone else, right?
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I think Baylor is similar to my people in Michigan.
01:00:35
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um baylor Basically, Baylor started the year looking like trash, and then in the middle of the year, they became really good.
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They play football. Yep. They should have stayed trashed.
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Crazy.
01:00:46
Jordan
They have... And it's funny how this works. Like, the arguably the three best quarterbacks in the conference are on the three tenders. It's Arizona State, Baylor, and Texas Tech.
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well they Well, there you go.
01:00:57
Jordan
Who knew? um
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There you go.
01:01:01
Jordan
So, first of all, like, they they ended the year winning six straight.
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Six games in a row. Yep.
01:01:08
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they were one of the teams They were one of the teams also, like, Kansas or Kansas State, one of the Kansas teams that like changed the sort of picture in the Big 12 last year because of who they were beating and sort of win and stuff like that.
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Kansas. It was Kansas.
01:01:26
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um And they are bringing everyone back, right? they they Their offense last year, led by Jake Spavadol, basically added two touchdowns.
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yeah
01:01:40
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went from 23 points per game to 35. um They returned nine starters, including the quarterback, Sawyer Robinson. Robinson did not start all year, right?
01:01:52
Jordan
And he ended up throwing for 3,000 yards and 28 touchdowns. And our last episode we talked about, and I want to be clear, and do not think he's winning the Heisman, but we talked about, is there going to be any quarterback that's going to throw for 4,000 yards?
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Yeah. Yeah.
01:02:07
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he's someone that's going to be close. Like Heisman or not, although if Baylor wins the championship, he's probably going to be in contention.
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Yeah.
01:02:15
Jordan
He's like, again, he didn't start the whole year. He threw for 3,000 yards and 28 touchdowns. If you give him a couple extra games, where does that end up?
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The whole year.
01:02:24
Jordan
You know what Like 3,500, right?
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Yeah. Yeah.
01:02:27
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33 touchdowns. So um they just they're going to have an offense that's hard to stop. Dave Aranda is a defensive coach. They're bringing back just about everyone, literally.
01:02:38
Jordan
They had a backfield duo who featured a 1,000-yard rusher and a 600-yard rusher. Both of them come back. One of them being Bryson Washington, who was freshman All-American. He rushed for 1,000 yards and had six 100-yard games.
01:02:56
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So it's not just the quarterback.
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Well, period.
01:02:58
Jordan
They did. well and They were just good on offense.
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They got squad. They got little squad.
01:03:02
Jordan
They were just good offense. They were just good on offense.
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Yeah, yeah.
01:03:04
Jordan
End of the day. They were good on offense. They did lose a couple of people on defense, but you know they brought in some transfers.
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Do they have a defensive coordinator?
01:03:13
Jordan
Huh?
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Do they have a defensive coordinator? Because wasn't the head coach?
01:03:16
Jordan
Yeah. He was. Who did they hire? Who did they hire?
01:03:22
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I'm sorry. I can read it myself, but I'm just like...
Baylor's Defensive Changes
01:03:25
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I don't remember who they hired.
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I know I read it that he was doing play calling.
01:03:27
Jordan
You are correct in that. See, he was paying attention last year. you College football four got you blocked in. Dave Miranda basically took over defensive play calling last year because his coordinator was asked. I don't remember who they hired, but he should not be doing that this year.
01:03:40
Jordan
Yeah.
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His coordinator was asses sending me.
01:03:43
Jordan
yeah
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um I'll say this.
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We played them this year. By we, I mean SMU. um It's been a minute since we played Baylor. I actually can't tell you. like I think I was in undergrad the last time we played Baylor at Baylor.
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I think we played Baylor at Baylor. That was the last time that I recall.
01:04:03
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Okay.
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And that had to at least be my freshman year because I wasn't working for the team yet. oh
01:04:07
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Yeah.
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But yeah that's all I care about.
01:04:09
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Yeah, so...
01:04:13
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yeah and so
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And we played them early. They're the second game of the year for us.
01:04:16
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Yep. And so, yeah, so it's just like when you have that offense, offense scores points, right? Offense, it helps.
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Yes, it is. Yeah.
01:04:23
Jordan
They last year, they ended 19th in scoring offense, 21st in points per play, 20th in total offense, 24th in yards per play. They were a top 25 offense in almost everything. Yeah.
01:04:35
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and And as long as their defense gets better, because they weren't very good, again, but of course, which is why the the head coach was calling defensive plays, this is a team that's going to contend. So I think that Arizona State, Baylor, Texas Tech, and Utah are the named.
01:04:51
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And again, Utah not a consensus. Excuse me, but I'm putting that in there because I believe in them.
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and I agree.
01:04:56
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So those are the sort of four that I think we should be looking at.
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I think Baylor and Texas Tech are very interesting case study because I don't think it's going to be both of them. It's going to be one of them. And the the difference maker is going to be continuity versus transfer portal building.
01:05:14
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That's podcasting.
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That's going to be the main
01:05:16
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You see that? that That's podcasting right there. We talking continuity versus Texas transfers. Transfer tech.
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We're going to call it Texas Tech, Transfer Tech all year.
01:05:28
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There we go. Transfer tech.
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But Baylor and Texas Tech, who gets the spot? It is going to be, the determining factor will be whether it was the continuity versus how long it takes for those transfers to actually match.
01:05:37
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Yeah.
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And then when it comes to ASU and Utah, it's going to be, who's going to bounce back? up Who's going bounce back the best, right? ASU is going have to bounce back from not having Cam. Utah is going to have to bounce back from the fact that their quarterback will actually hopefully be able to play the entire season.
01:05:52
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Yeah, was he is because because they're their lives, yeah, you know, knock on wood.
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oh And the rest of the team. And the rest of the team. If everybody could just play, that would be fabulous for Utah.
01:06:01
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Because that hasn't happened in two years.
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No, literally. So if everybody at Utah just not be on crutches or have anything taped up or be on the sideline in hoodies, I think we're going to get somewhere.
01:06:06
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Like, it's
01:06:13
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You know what? I'm banning hoodies for Utah. No more hoodies.
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more hoodies.
01:06:17
Jordan
No more hoodies.
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no morehood
01:06:19
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I don't want to sniff a hoodie. They were so injured. Hold on. where Let me find this.
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Oh my god, it was bad. was so bad.
01:06:25
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Let me find this.
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was so- they were like their third string. It was bad.
01:06:28
Jordan
Yeah, they they were so injured that they snapped a 10-year streak.
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years, bro.
01:06:36
Jordan
10 years. they've always They've had a winning season every season for 10 years, and they were so injured that Kyle Whittingham, who was one of the best coaches of all time, couldn't do it.
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Said it was the difficult year.
01:06:46
Jordan
Couldn't do it.
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It was most difficult year in his career.
01:06:48
Jordan
They started out 4-0, by the way.
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Yeah.
01:06:52
Jordan
And then the injuries happened, and they lost seven straight, like,
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And then they lost their quarterback. Yeah. Yeah.
01:06:55
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ah Like, literally, like, they were they were good, and then they fell apart and lost basically every game, every remaining game.
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So Utah is,
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yeah.
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Yeah, it's goingnna be the battle of the it's going to be the battle of the bounce back and then the battle of continuity.
01:07:03
Jordan
So...
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And those either, neither Baylor nor Texas Tech are in it and it's ASU and Utah.
01:07:08
Jordan
Yeah.
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I'm just going to give my opinions for real for real. Or it's one of the two Texas schools and probably ASU. Because like Utah, I don't know. Because again, like that's just something you can't predict because if they have the same, I would hope they don't have the same situation.
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Yes.
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But we're just going to have to, but like at end of the day, like
01:07:27
Jordan
Yeah.
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We're just have to see, like we're just gonna have to see how it turns out. I think the next topic we have are the dark horses of the conference.
01:07:37
Jordan
Yeah.
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all Oh, go ahead.
01:07:38
Jordan
Well, before we do that, though, i one I want to add one quick emerging storyline that I'm doing after as we're as there're as we're sort of looking through this.
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Now we're going all the way back to the top of the agenda.
01:07:47
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I don't know how many of these quarterbacks are going to be NFL talent. So that does matter and the end goal, winning a national championship.
01:07:58
Jordan
But they they have so many like good college quarterbacks. like devin like We talked about Caden Stultzers, and so I want to read Devin Dampier's stats. Devin Dampierre. quarterback at Utah now.
01:08:10
Jordan
He racked up 3,900 yards, including 1,184 rushing and 31 total touchdowns. So, like, we got some guys.
01:08:21
Jordan
Like, these defenses, like, again, who's going to go pro?
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Oh yeah.
01:08:26
Jordan
That doesn't matter. It's a college podcast. Baylor got a quarterback. ASU has a quarterback. Texas Tech has a quarterback. Utah has a quarterback. colorado Colorado has a quarterback.
01:08:37
Jordan
And so it's like, you know, we may get old Big 12. Like, but do we talk about Patrick Mahomes? We may get that Big 12.
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We may get the big 12 back for real, for real.
01:08:47
Jordan
We may get Texas Tech versus Oklahoma 55-51. like that Like, listen, yeah first of all, that was some of the best football before I've ever seen in my life.
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What a time to be alive.
01:08:59
Jordan
Like, it was so disgusting because nobody had played any
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level of defense. But just watching, like, watching, like, Patrick Mahomes and Baker Mayfield and, like, all these dudes put up, like, eight touchdowns.
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And they're just going back and forth.
01:09:10
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Like, yes, it was –
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I'm just screaming. During the WNBA All-Star game last night, Elle Duncan said, just like a girl's trip in Cabo, there was no D. And I said, this is when it's time to turn it off, wrap it up.
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It's time to wrap it up. Because Elle is the most unhinged person on television. I want to beat her. I want to be the most unhinged person on television. She is an inspiration. um
01:09:31
Jordan
Dark horses, as you were saying.
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Dark Horse schools, we've beaten, we've belabored at this point, but Colorado obviously is a dark horse for us. um But you have also put Houston on here. And I am very interested to hear how Houston is a dark horse because, you know, I also have to be with Houston. and it's only because they tried to block SMU for joining the Big 12. But anyways.
01:09:50
Jordan
Yeah. So I think that for, okay, so I'm just going be honest. A lot of Houston being on here is the coach. Like, Willie Fritz is an amazing coach. He was 23-5 at Tulane in his final and his final two seasons.
01:10:08
Jordan
um If he was at Tulane last year, he took this job because of bigger, more money, et cetera. If he was at Tulane last year, I'm sorry, Aston Gentry, you would have been out of the playoffs.
01:10:19
Jordan
Tulane would have been in the playoffs. That's how good he would have had them. um
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right.
01:10:23
Jordan
she And so it's just one of those things where it's like,
01:10:29
Jordan
Listen, sometimes like Indiana last year, you can just say, i don't know everything about the team, but I know that coach and I know all of his teams are good
Houston as a Dark Horse in the Big 12
01:10:42
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and they're going to be good again.
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And that's And that's enough.
01:10:43
Jordan
And they were bad last year because Houston was in one of the worst places you could possibly be. But i they also added some good transfers. They have this coach. They were sort of showing some, like, fight at the end. And so it's just like, if we're talking Dark Horse, I'm going to pick the team that has one of, if not the best coach in the conference and has won other places and is going into his second year where he's able to sort of make the program more himself.
01:11:14
Jordan
Now, am I a year early on then?
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Yeah. Third best transfer all.
01:11:17
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maybe I could be a year early on then, but that's why it's Dark Horse. You know what I'm saying?
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Yeah.
01:11:20
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Like, but who knows?
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Don't count them out.
01:11:22
Jordan
Like, yeah.
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Don't count them out.
01:11:23
Jordan
So um they, like, they they, and they sort of just sort of hired, like, they sort of struggled everywhere last year, but he's sort of bringing, like, he's bringing back his old offensive coordinator who was there when they won 11 wins.
01:11:41
Jordan
um They, and then the the other piece of this, and I want to be clear,
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Hmm.
01:11:46
Jordan
I'm not the biggest fan of this person, but if he stays healthy, he could easily, he could day one be the best quarterback in the Big 12. And that's Connor Wegman from Texas A&M.
01:11:57
Jordan
Like, Connor Wegman sort of had an issue where like he was just always injured, and then Texas A&M was also coached really poorly, so they didn't do well with, like, do we bring him back when he's injured? Does he play? Especially, like, and to be fair, on his end, he didn't,
01:12:13
Jordan
fully secure the job, right? So there is some of that, but the level of talent that he has and what he's able to do, that if he can stay healthy, he could day one be the best quarterback in the conference.
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You can make some things happen. Yeah.
01:12:26
Jordan
Like this is a quarterback that when he came in, people were saying first round draft pick.
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Yeah.
01:12:31
Jordan
He has not lived up to that. He may never live up to that because certain people don't, but if he gets, even if he gets close to it in this conference, right?
01:12:42
Jordan
You know what mean? Like that could do it.
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yeah
01:12:43
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So you add the coach, you add Connor Wegman. um And so he started 13 games, right? That's a season. Essentially, in those 13 games, he amassed 2,700 yards and touchdowns.
01:12:59
Jordan
Right. They're going to be playing lesser defenses. just the truth because he's not in the SEC anymore. They do have some talent. And so, again, don't know.
01:13:11
Jordan
It's hard to say, of course. But.
01:13:16
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you have the coach? You have a quarterback who has at least the ceiling to go pretty far. You have a schedule. were you only were you where you only play Texas Tech and Baylor, but you play Baylor at the end of the season.
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So, like, you have the chance to sort of work into your schedule and and sort of be good.
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Yeah.
01:13:37
Jordan
you You had some some solid transfers. I think that in a conference where literally anything can happen, i think that they're at least a dark horse.
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Houston could rise to the top. Okay, period. Love that for Houston. um Well, obviously our critical matchups are pretty in tune to with where this conversation has been going this entire time. So, of course, we're going to be looking at Utah versus ASU. I mean, duh.
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weve We've got weve gotta to tune into that one. I don't know exactly what week that game is. um I can look it up real quick because I don't know which week that game is. um
01:14:20
Jordan
Yeah, so, hold on.
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Which week is that? Jesus. Where is Utah? Sorry.
01:14:25
Jordan
They're, okay, I have it.
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I'm trying.
01:14:26
Jordan
So, Utah, as a team that I sort of put in here as ah as a sort of contender, I think there's two things that's going to happen.
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Oh, there we go.
01:14:34
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Either Utah going to be real contender, or they're going to ruin someone's season because they play the other contenders.
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Week eight.
01:14:41
Jordan
They play Arizona State, they play Baylor, they play Texas Tech. They are going to win one of those games. They play texas tech on two they play Texas Tech week four. When you have a bunch of transfers, that's easily a game that they could win, which could then put Texas Tech in a place where they almost have to be perfect moving forward.
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Mm-hmm.
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I can lose. Yeah.
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yeah
01:15:02
Jordan
um They play Baylor week nine or whatever, like one of the last games of the season, week 10. um That could be a thing that happened last year where like,
01:15:15
Jordan
Baylor is supposed to be winning the conference. They're doing well. And then they lose two weeks before the season's over. So um Utah versus Arizona State, Texas Tech, and Baylor are just games that I have eyes on.
01:15:27
Jordan
I think those are some of the most critical matchups um because of, obviously, what we're talking about here as who's going to win and who's going make it to the conference.
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The results. Yeah.
01:15:38
Jordan
um And then another game that I have that I don't think has as much weight, but it's just going to be fun as hell, is Iowa State versus Kansas State and Ireland.
01:15:49
Jordan
That is week zero.
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cute
01:15:51
Jordan
That game is going to be very fun. That is a rivalry game. um And they decided, why not put it in Ireland? Like, if you can go to Ireland for free, why not? You know what saying?
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why the hell i and i am here for globalizing the game i am here for it like
01:16:02
Jordan
And Ireland is Yeah. And like like, I think it was last year there, it was either last or the year before, had been going on to Ireland for a couple of years. maybe The last year, the year before the team, the stadiums like internet went down so they couldn't charge.
01:16:17
Jordan
And so they just gave out free beer. That is never happening in the United States.
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Oh, yes.
01:16:20
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That is never happening in the United States. They're they're like,
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Well, one thing and I will say is in the United States, they are doing a lot more of the $1, $2, $3, like, things at the stadiums, which I think is really cool. Because, first of all, these tickets are high. The travel is high. Like, the least you can do is let me buy a hot dog for a buck and ah beer for $3. Like, please.
01:16:38
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um So, good times. um Basically, we say all this to say that the Big 12 is going to be a really, really fun
Big 12 Playoff Chances
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conference. But here's one thing that I think both of us are standing 10 toes down on. And that is the number of playoff participants that the Big 12 will inevitably have.
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We had this conversation, obviously, when we were talking about if they were to expand to 16 teams, you know, they guarantee the Big 12 two spots, whatever. Should they guarantee them two spots? Well, on average, you only have this many teams, whatever, blah, blah, blah.
01:17:04
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Even with all of this conversation, I personally, and I think and we both believe that there's still only one of these mofos coming out here and going to the playoffs.
01:17:14
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Yeah.
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It's just one. Sorry. Sorry. It's just one. don't know who. I can't tell you all of that. I think our pick was Arizona State, though, if I'm not mistaken, when we talked about it a couple weeks ago.
01:17:20
Jordan
No.
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But.
01:17:25
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Well, if you remember, ah you have to pick one because this is all culminating into our playoff show at the end. And whoever we pick to win the conference is who we have to pick in that playoff show.
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and
01:17:37
Jordan
So we are going to pick.
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Yeah. Mm-hmm.
01:17:39
Jordan
But to your point of why it's only going to be one, right? The Big Ten had ah four teams get in last year, right? To do that, all of those teams had two or less loss, two...
01:17:54
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losses or less.
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Or less. Yeah. Yeah. You're
01:17:57
Jordan
Meaning when they went to the Big Ten championship game, there was a team that had no losses. There was a team that only had one loss. like And so for the big for any conference to get two or more, you have to have multiple teams that have less than two losses because you cannot go to the conference championship game with two teams that have two losses and one of them gets a third.
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Yeah.
01:18:19
Jordan
Like that is step number one. Like the Big Ten and the SEC is always going to have two because they're always going to have two teams that don't have two losses.
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That they'll have to.
01:18:28
Jordan
it just works out that way.
01:18:29
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Yeah.
01:18:29
Jordan
Like the math, it's hard to get in at nine and three.
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Yeah.
01:18:32
Jordan
If you're nine and three, you have to win the conference. Like, so the thing is, if the Big 12 lives up to what we're saying it's going to be, which is and literally any given Saturday, it is then also hard to believe that there's any team who gets through this unscathed.
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Yeah.
01:18:47
Jordan
And if that is the case, they're going to beat each other up.
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yeah
01:18:49
Jordan
That's what they do every single year. It's going to be amazing to watch. We're going to love every second of it. But then at the end, like any good... Any good old time movie, you're going to be like someone's going to be walking across the battlefield checking the dead it's going to be everybody.
01:19:04
Jordan
in this like It's like, yeah, like everyone's going to be limping away.
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It's going to be the survivor's remorse is going to be at all time. No, that's yeah. It'll be, it'll be cannibalism. They with the big 12, unfortunately they're in the position that a lot of other leagues are not in. And that is they quite literally have to cannibalize one another to to get to where they need to get to because there's just not as much leeway for them as there are for the other conferences, like you mentioned.
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I will be genuinely surprised, though, if they manage to get two in. I will say. I will be surprised. um But, yeah.
01:19:36
Jordan
And it's not going every year. um But, yeah I think that, I think it's only one. So we have to put it on the table. We got to do it. We have to say it.
01:19:49
Jordan
We are a podcast that believes in speaking with our full chest.
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Are we?
01:19:54
Jordan
My title game.
01:20:01
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I'm going to go
01:20:07
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I'm going to get freaky with this one. I'm going to go Utah Baylor.
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Gross. That is freaky. You are correct. I am freaked out, actually. I'm disgusted, actually, we at that.
01:20:16
Jordan
I'm going to go. oh I believe that one? This is hard.
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I okay.
01:20:25
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Utah for sure. But do i believe do i really believe that one?
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okay
01:20:31
Jordan
But Arizona State, we just did this whole thing and I talked myself out of all of this.
01:20:35
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Yeah, no. Okay. So why am I sitting here feeling the same way? I'm like, okay, we just sat here. We didn't talk about all these teams. Okay, here we go. Y'all got your preview. Oh my gosh. And you're getting fed today an hour and 20 minutes, please.
01:20:46
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And I'm like, now that we're here, I'm like, wait, no, I don't want to pick.
01:20:47
Jordan
I talked myself out of everybody. Right.
01:20:51
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Cause here's the thing. Here's the thing that's, that's hanging me up, right? Is this is the big 12.
01:20:54
Jordan
Right.
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So we can very well, cause this happened last year. The six or five or whatever teams that we discussed heavily for the Big 12 last year, I don't think any of them ended up even as contenders by the end of it.
01:21:07
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So it's like we could really be having this conversation just off the stats, vibes, and all this other stuff. And then it's Houston that ends up winning into the Big 12. And it's like, well, shit. like Because they're just so mercurial. So I'm like, damn, I feel like no matter what I pick, I'm going to be wrong because it's going to be a dark horse.
01:21:22
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It's going to be a team that, fuck, it could be Colorado ends up in the Big 12. Like, I don't know. Or TCU might have a bounce back moment and they end up like teams that we haven't even talked about.
01:21:31
Jordan
Yeah, actually, you just, you just, yeah, you just sort of stole mine.
01:21:33
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That's what I'm just like, fuck.
01:21:36
Jordan
Because I'm like going through it and I was thinking the same thing and you literally like spoke what I was thinking into existence. I'm picking TCU. It's going to be, it's going to Utah TCU.
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See, that's what i'm saying. Like low key, um low key.
01:21:48
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I'm, yeah, I'm picking Utah TCU.
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01:21:52
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Okay.
01:21:52
Jordan
TCU also – we didn't talk about TCU at all, so this is crazy, but they also have a good quarterback.
01:21:54
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We didn't. Yeah.
01:21:57
Jordan
Their quarterback is returning. Last season he threw for 3,900 yards. He had multiple 300-plus yard games.
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oh
01:22:04
Jordan
um they are they're losing that They are losing their top two wide receivers. um But – hold on.
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But they had a great, they had a great time in the transfer portal too. They did.
01:22:15
Jordan
Yeah, but they they're losing their they're losing their top two wide receivers, but they had four different receivers with over 600 yards.
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I mean, they,
01:22:22
Jordan
So they do still have good players coming back, including ah guy who, yes, he was their third or fourth receiver, but he led the he was 10th in FBS with 19.5 yards per catch, and 90% of his catches went for first downs.
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Good ones. Yeah.
01:22:39
Jordan
This is Eric McAllister. um They brought in wide receivers, one of which is 6-3.
01:22:44
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Damn it.
01:22:50
Jordan
You know what I mean? Like, they they have tight ends, and their defense was really good last year. I'm doing
01:22:58
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Yeah.
01:23:00
Jordan
I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm i'm doing TCU.
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Oh, see, that sounds like, and I know we didn't talk about, oh, and we didn't talk about TCU and we didn't talk too, too much about Iowa State.
01:23:02
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i'm doing utah tcu
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And if I'm not mistaken, I think Iowa State, I picked them for the 12 team. Didn't I? I mentioned Iowa would at some point, maybe not Iowa State.
01:23:19
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I can't remember. Yeah, and Iowa State's another good one. i just think that they don't replace the offensive production. I like their quarterback, Rocco Becht.
01:23:28
Jordan
um and
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Good, good guy.
01:23:30
Jordan
But I, yeah.
01:23:32
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Okay. So, so you're going to go Utah TCU. think that's,
01:23:35
Jordan
Yes.
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I think that's fair. I think, and this is just because the Big 12 is ridiculous. This is like, I'm going off I'm going to tell y'all, I'm going off of who I want to see. Okay.
01:23:47
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Not necessarily who may potentially actually end up there, but I don't think I'm going to be correct no matter who I pick. So I'm going to go off of who I want to see. Okay. Y'all ready? Cause this is on, but also if you've been listening to the show for a long time, the first team I say should not be a shock. And that is obviously Colorado.
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So I'm going to go say,
01:24:03
Jordan
I wouldn't put that on tape, but i and ah you explained your reasoning, so i understand why.
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I'm going to do it because it's the big 12, bro. It's the big 12.
01:24:08
Jordan
Yeah.
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Like we're both going to be wrong. Like it's the big 12.
01:24:11
Jordan
I'm not gonna be- I'm gonna get at least one of mine right.
01:24:13
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You're going to get at least one. That's why I said, okay, so my vibes, my who I want to see pick is going Colorado. But I think I'm also going to drink the Kool-Aid with you and say that Utah is in it regardless.
01:24:26
Jordan
Okay.
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So I'm going to say Colorado, Utah, because at least I can be half right.
01:24:30
Jordan
Yep.
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At least I'm not ready.
01:24:32
Jordan
Yeah.
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But also, I don't completely think that Colorado is like unable to make it to the conference championship. like I don't think they're unable.
01:24:38
Jordan
Yeah.
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I probably would say like I would maybe believe a little bit more like in Utah as far as what we have on paper. But I don't care um count any of these teams out, really.
01:24:47
Jordan
Yeah, and and we didn't, Yeah, and we didn't spend a lot of time talking about all these teams cause it's just hard with them. But Kansas State is another team who has a chance.
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yeah
01:24:58
Jordan
They're bringing back Avery Johnson, who's an electric freshman, but he he has to cut down some mistakes, but he's a freshman, right?
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Oh, a stud.
01:25:06
Jordan
um And so you will should sort of expect to do that. Also, Kansas State was in a weird position because they outgained 12 of their 13 opponents but lost. a lot of those games, like they they just weren't sort of closing.
01:25:19
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they were They were there, but they didn't they couldn't finish.
01:25:20
Jordan
um and And so like Kansas State is a team that is in this, Iowa State is a team that is in this like, I mean, yeah.
01:25:22
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Yeah.
01:25:30
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Everybody's in it really, except for like your your bottom feeders, your Cincinnati, your UCF, your whatever, like everybody's in it.
01:25:31
Jordan
yeah
01:25:36
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That's like, ah you could really make a case for like the top like seven, top seven or eight.
01:25:40
Jordan
Yeah, I struggle with BYU. BYU would be a team that's in it, but their quarterback likes to, you know, rape people, so he's no longer on the program.
01:25:48
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Yeah, which is crazy because BYU, don't y'all have an honor code? Y'all have an honor code.
01:25:52
Jordan
Yes. Yes.
01:25:53
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So y'all not supposed to be acting a certain kind of way.
01:25:53
Jordan
Remember, we talked... Yeah.
01:25:55
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I learned that on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.
01:25:55
Jordan
which so Yeah, like, they're not allowed to have sex.
01:25:59
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They're not allowed to have sex.
01:26:00
Jordan
At all.
01:26:00
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They're allowed to drink. and not allowed to smoke.
01:26:02
Jordan
Yeah.
01:26:02
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They're not allowed to be out past certain hours. Like, that is military boot camp up there.
01:26:06
Jordan
Yeah, and...
01:26:06
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And you over here, not only doing what you're not supposed to do, but doing it against people's will. Fuck you.
01:26:11
Jordan
Right. Yes.
01:26:13
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Like, ew.
01:26:14
Jordan
So I have, I started with BYU because they're losing their quarterback and fuck him.
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That's gross.
01:26:20
Jordan
Yeah.
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Hmm.
01:26:20
Jordan
So like, I think, so, and honestly what I should have done is I should have expanded the dark horse segment because there's a lot of them. Like I should have included Iowa state and Kansas state and that segment as well, but we sort of got to them a little bit in the end.
01:26:33
Jordan
We had the TCU as well. um
01:26:36
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You guys are fed. Okay, this is this is what we think about the Big 12.
01:26:38
Jordan
It's yeah. Yeah.
01:26:39
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So, and we'll be talking about it all season because there's so many matchups just within the Big 12 that I am genuinely interested in. actually have a content idea for you when we get offline.
01:26:50
Jordan
Got you.
01:26:51
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But yeah
01:26:53
Jordan
Yeah, so anything can happen. um But I am predicting Utah TCU with Utah winning.
01:27:03
Jordan
We are marking this because, like I said, we are building up to our final show, which is where we predict the playoffs. And as any good brand, because no one else does this, we stick to our picks.
01:27:16
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So when that playoff show comes, I'm
01:27:19
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I'd be riding and I'd be dying for my pics.
01:27:20
Jordan
um um um I'm picking Utah.
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I do.
01:27:22
Jordan
So um that's our preview.
01:27:23
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Yeah.
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Good times.
01:27:25
Jordan
ay Yeah, so let's let's less's let's talk about the stud guns. In our two-minute drill, the WNBA All-Star Weekend happened. First of all, first of all, first of all, the WNBA All-Star Weekend, like personally for me, is like walking embodiment of why almost all of my friends are women.
01:27:45
Jordan
And a lot of them are gay, but that's side note. That's that's not necessarily the point, but I do have a lot of...
01:27:50
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He's like, I have a type, but I didn't mean to have a type.
01:27:52
Jordan
Yeah, but like, it just looked so fun. And I'm sorry, none of the men's all-star games ever looked that fun. and NBA, baseball, basketball, like they were they were having a time,
01:28:03
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baseball just have All-Star? They just had it, right?
01:28:05
Jordan
Yes, they were having a time. The jokes, the, the, the, like, I mean, literally, Angel Reese was joking with Alyssa Thomas about Alyssa Thomas chokeslamming her last year.
01:28:17
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No, literally they were running down the court and she was like,
01:28:19
Jordan
Like, like, it's just, it's just, like but i mean i mean i mean like the and a So to provide a little bit more structure to what we're trying to say, the stud buds, if you don't know who they are, clearly you're not on tick.
01:28:23
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unserious nonsense.
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Oh, I wanted to talk about the step buds.
01:28:34
Jordan
Okay, well, okay, go ahead.
01:28:35
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Go ahead.
01:28:37
Jordan
Tell them who the stud buds are.
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Sorry. No, go ahead. You can go.
01:28:39
Jordan
No, you got Too late. already gave it to you.
01:28:41
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But you already started.
01:28:42
Jordan
Tell him tell them who the stud buds are.
01:28:44
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Oh, but I wasn't going to start there. Whatever. Okay. So basically, basic basically,
01:28:47
Jordan
Well, you don't know. Just tell them who they are, and then we can...
01:28:51
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the Stubbuds are Natesha Heidemann and Courtney Williams. They both play for the Minnesota leagues. They also were both in Unrivaled together as well. They started a Twitch account and they called it Stubbuds and they just sit and chat.
01:29:03
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And they've been doing this for the entirety of the season.
01:29:03
Jordan
Yes.
01:29:05
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Like they started like two or three weeks into the season. Um, But basically they announced that they will be streaming the entire all-star weekend. And so they did a 72 hour straight stream where they went, they took, they, they basically took us everywhere.
01:29:22
Jordan
And the the funny thing about this is only one of them was an all-star. it Which was Courtney Williams.
01:29:26
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Only one was all-star. So Courtney Williams actually got an all-star bid.
01:29:28
Jordan
And the teacher Heideman is good, but like she's, she was an all-star and she basically told and she was like, act like you were supposed to be there. Cause you're going with me everywhere.
01:29:37
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Act like you belong here, bitch.
01:29:38
Jordan
Like, like, like you got the invite too.
01:29:39
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No, literally.
01:29:41
Jordan
Cause if I'm there, you there. So like, I know you're supposed to be there.
01:29:43
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Period. Period. I mean, well, and that's the cool thing. So Courtney courtney Williams got the the all-star nod, as she should. She is leading in mid-range shots. Actually, i don't think that's true. I think Paige is actually leading now. But the point is, Courtney Williams has been extremely productive. This is her ninth year in the WNBA, maybe her 10th. But this is her second time as all-star.
01:30:06
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Natisha Heidemann is essentially a bench player for the Minnesota Lynx, okay? So she was not going to get a all-star bid. It's just not how the Minnesota Lynx are structured. But she's not trash. She just didn't get an all-star bid. um The min Minnesota Lynx already had three people.
01:30:18
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They had Nafisa Collier, Courtney, and then they also got Kayla McBride in the last minute.
01:30:18
Jordan
Yeah.
01:30:22
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So Natisha was not going to get all-star But that doesn't matter because Courtney was like, listen, we're going. And if I'm there, you there, we there, we going together. I don't give fuck. Like, you going to be over here right next to me.
01:30:31
Jordan
True friendship. Yeah.
01:30:33
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She did every red carpet, orange carpet, whatever color the carpet. did photos with Natesha and then also did them alone because she has to as All-Star. Took Natesha with her on stage for the All-Star, for her All-Star introduction.
01:30:44
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I mean, truly, like, they were like this the entire time.
01:30:47
Jordan
yeah
01:30:48
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The entire time. There was a very beautiful moment on the stream where Natesha was telling Kourtney that this was the best weekend of her life and that she was so happy that she was able to do this with her as, because they are genuinely best friends, like, in real life.
01:31:01
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So there were a lot of, like, soft moments as well of, like, just seeing, like, you know, how much this really means to Natesha because she's she she was not
01:31:11
Jordan
Hey, and the teacher may be a bench player, but at All-Star Weekend, she was hooping. She was putting up shots, boy.
01:31:20
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She was super shy.
01:31:20
Jordan
um telling you. see
01:31:22
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That's exactly what she was doing. but to so
01:31:23
Jordan
She was trying to leave. She said, I'm from around the way. I'm leaving here with something.
01:31:27
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No, literally. Well, let's walk it back for a second, right? So, WNBA All-Star just happened this past weekend. The WNBA All-Star is very similarly structured to NBA All-Star except they have a few less events, right? So, they don't have a done contest, obviously, but the NBA needs to do away with too, because niggas don't even be doing it for real.
01:31:42
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Not the point. They don't have a Rising Stars game or anything like that. They just have the skills competition, the three-point competition, and then they have the game. Also, the skills competition is done singularly. They're not done as groups, like they do it for...
01:31:55
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the NBA, I think they do like groups of three or something like that for the skills competition for the WNBA is straight one person passing shooting in and shooting a layup anyways. So all of those festivities started this past Friday.
01:32:08
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And typically when you have a WNBA All-Star, I mean, obviously there's lots of content that's being created by the WNBA themselves, by each of the separate teams that have All-Stars there. And obviously the All-Stars themselves are creating content and whatever, but that's pretty much all you get. Like, unless you're there at All-Star, like you really don't fully kind of like,
01:32:26
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get a feel for how things are and so it was just such a big deal what the stud buds were doing as far as the stream because they were showing you parts of all-star that you literally don't get to see the first night they got there this was the night before everything started so thursday night they got there they all were already there they're going out they're in the streets they're having fun they're partying courtney williams is throwing her ass on everybody
01:32:49
Jordan
Listen.
01:32:50
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on everybody who was willing to catch it, and that includes Angel Reese. We would have never in our lives gotten a video of Courtney Williams twerking on Angel Reese if it was not for Stud Buds.
01:32:56
Jordan
no
01:33:00
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We got video evidence of Alyssa Thomas.
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01:33:02
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She does actually drink. We didn't know it, but we know now because she was taking shots on the stream. And it was funny because it was becoming a running joke that Stud Buds was outing.
01:33:09
Jordan
You see Kelsey Plum taking chaser, taking crown to the head, no chaser.
01:33:13
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drank the crowd. Everybody said that was the last time we saw her on the stream, too.
01:33:19
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So, and then what was also funny was people's like relationships were being confirmed on StudBuds.
01:33:19
Jordan
Paige was drunk.
01:33:25
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Like a lot of people has been confirmed that Marina Mabry and Saniya Rivers are in a romantic relationship with one another. Paige and Azee got confirmed, but they were confirming it anyways, but it also got confirmed on the stream.
01:33:35
Jordan
Yeah. That was also confirmed because they they got paid to do the celebrity girlfriend thing that they've been doing.
01:33:40
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Exactly. Yeah.
01:33:42
Jordan
like How well do you know your NBA boyfriend? How well do you know?
01:33:45
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Yeah.
01:33:45
Jordan
like They got paid to do that with it for AZ.
01:33:47
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yeah
01:33:48
Jordan
They was just confirm and they was confirming in every which way. If they feel if they could confirm it, they did that weekend.
01:33:52
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And the thing is, and then the thing is like AZ, it went viral like three, four weeks ago that AZ has a phone case that says Paige Beckett's girlfriend. Like they weren't trying to hide.
01:34:01
Jordan
Yeah.
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They just didn't, they just didn't say, I mean, I knew that that was, I knew that that was Paige's girlfriend when she showed up in the girlfriend outfit sitting at the table for the for the draft.
01:34:03
Jordan
No.
01:34:11
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Yeah, like stop playing.
01:34:11
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I said, well, that's your bitch.
01:34:12
Jordan
Yeah, like that's the girlfriend.
01:34:13
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I was like, that's your bitch. That's not best, that is your woman.
01:34:15
Jordan
What are you talking about? She got the first hug and everything.
01:34:16
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I was like, that is your girlfriend.
01:34:18
Jordan
And the thing is, like, it's it's literally just like a thing where it's just like a respect thing, right? Where like, because like what the the difference is they just didn't answer questions where where
01:34:23
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Yeah.
01:34:32
Jordan
Dallas, not not there no more. The Dallas couple that would lying us. Yeah.
01:34:36
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Oh, the Dallas couple. They don't be lying. Are you talking about Dijanae Dijanae Melissa?
01:34:38
Jordan
Yes, they do. Yes. D.J. and Yes. D.J.
01:34:43
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What are they lying about?
01:34:43
Jordan
and A. They said they wasn't dating in college.
01:34:47
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Oh.
01:34:47
Jordan
you a damn wife You a damn lie.
01:34:49
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Because they weren't allowed to.
01:34:49
Jordan
You lie. You... I understand. Right. There's a reason that Pais and AZ was hiding it, too. It's sort of just like a respect thing that you do when you're teammates like you just don't you try not to bring drama.
01:35:00
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You all do too much. Yeah, of course.
01:35:01
Jordan
A lot of a lot of especially some older coaches are homophobic.
01:35:02
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Yeah.
01:35:05
Jordan
I don't know if Gino is or not, but it wouldn't surprise me because he's older.
01:35:05
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Yeah, of course. Yeah. Kim Mulkey was, yeah.
01:35:08
Jordan
Ten is ah very open about that. But also you just don't want the distraction. So a lot of them, they don't do girlfriend things, relationship things in public until you're no longer playing together.
01:35:20
Jordan
it's just like a thing that happens in a lot of sports, right? Like it's it's just a, well, when I mean a lot of sports, there are various women's sports.
01:35:23
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Well, no, it's just women's sports.
01:35:29
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I know, I'm just saying.
01:35:30
Jordan
It happens in soccer. It happens in softball.
01:35:31
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Just in women's sports in general, because, you know, these niggas not dating each other.
01:35:32
Jordan
Like, yeah Right.
01:35:35
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But yes.
01:35:35
Jordan
So, like, but, like, in the various women's sports, this happens, right? Like, you know, there are women's soccer players, like, on the U.S. s women's national team who were dating each other, and they weren't, like, holding hands and kissing at camp, at at the Olympics.
01:35:48
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Oh, yeah, yeah,
01:35:49
Jordan
Like, it's sort of like an athlete we sort of respect thing. But, like, the singular second they weren't playing together, it was out there.
01:35:56
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yeah. They having babies.
01:35:56
Jordan
But on the Stut Buds stream, boy, if they could, if, yeah.
01:35:57
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They're the building homes. They're doing all the things.
01:36:01
Jordan
Yeah. yeah
01:36:02
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the The fun thing about it and the end of the day was you really, it did really feel like you got a backstage pass to the WBA All-Star. I'm a firm believer that this will not be happening next year. Don't ask me why. I just feel like it's not going to happen next year for probably a few different reasons.
01:36:15
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But the other thing that came out also weekend,
01:36:16
Jordan
Yeah, I mean...
01:36:18
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well it's not going to be as authentic i'll say it like that they'll probably end up having it having it but the authenticity is kind of what caused it to blow up in a way i don't know how many subscribers they had when they came into this but they ended up with 67 000 by the end and when i was in the streams and i did not watch streams that is something that i find deeply boring the only streams i would watch are like people playing sims that's the old and even still i pop in and pop out like i'm not sitting and watching it all day
01:36:32
Jordan
yeah
01:36:43
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that was I watched the stream for two days straight. I started it on Saturday morning and I did not turn it off until this morning. I watched the stream, or excuse me, Friday morning, and I watched the stream for two days straight. and i I mean, they get they they announced breaking news about Unrivaled on the stream.
01:36:58
Jordan
Yeah, I mean, they had Megan Rapinoe asking about straps.
01:36:58
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Like,
01:37:01
Jordan
like Yeah.
01:37:02
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And I saw that moment in real time. was like, Megan, what? And then even Sue Berg was like, I heard y'all don't hear out of people. I said, like, it's, and even like in the interviews, a lot of the players in interviews were talking about stud bugs.
01:37:15
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And they were talking about whether or not they were avoiding them or looking for the opportunity to to to be on the show.
01:37:15
Jordan
Yeah.
01:37:21
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And I mean, everybody was on it. Kaitlin Clark was on it for a little bit. Asia Wilson was on it for a little bit.
01:37:24
Jordan
Man, you know, yeah.
01:37:25
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Lisa Leslie and the piece collier in the club. Like, ew.
01:37:28
Jordan
I hate, ah first of all, Nafisa Collier is hilarious.
01:37:29
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Who's going to see that?
01:37:32
Jordan
Like, i don't know, I don't remember how old she is, but like, she calls them her boys.
01:37:33
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so unintentionally hilarious. She's 27.
01:37:36
Jordan
She calls them her boys. Like, they're like, mommy's like my du my boys, which is hilarious. But then also, what was I going to say? I don't remember what going to say.
01:37:47
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Kathy Engelberg was on the stream at one point. She was dancing with them to Nuck If You Look.
01:37:51
Jordan
Yeah.
01:37:51
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um That's insane. um but
01:37:54
Jordan
Oh, i hate what i was going to say is I hate that Caitlyn Clark and her whole thing is racist because Caitlyn Clark is, and I say this with all due respect, Caitlyn Clark is a little bit on the spectrum in a way where she's hilarious.
01:37:55
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but
01:38:07
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oh
01:38:07
Jordan
And if she wasn't so racist, like her content would be so
WNBA CBA Meeting Insights
01:38:12
Jordan
funny. When she was on there talking about, I watched it for three hours straight, like she's just like...
01:38:18
Jordan
just naturally in a way like the way she communicates it's funny and i just wish that i could enjoy it but fuck her but like anytime she's on camera it's
01:38:25
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I'm sorry. So, Caitlin Clark gives me like, gives me like the the annoying kid in class who always has to say something energy.
01:38:32
Jordan
because she's on the spectrum a little bit yeah she's she's she's she's yeah she's out
01:38:32
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Like, that's what she gives me. Well, but I'm saying like in a way where I'm not entertained. Like she was being annoying for me. She was being kind of annoying like they did the WNBA countdown prior to the game and obviously she's the captain.
01:38:48
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of her team and she was talking about how like she wanted to get a tag and she wanted to get ejected and she's going to talk shit to the refs and she hopes that they just take it because it's fine and i was just kind of like okay girl and then like they were asking their questions and she kept interrupting the fisa whatever it was just even fee was looking like girl okay like she has the type of personality where like
01:38:57
Jordan
Yeah, and if she wasn't the other things, it would be more...
01:39:13
Jordan
Some of it's because she's on the spectrum.
01:39:14
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She has no aura. That's just what it is for me. Like she just, said she does not have any aura like at all.
01:39:16
Jordan
Yeah. Yeah.
01:39:18
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She's funny, kinda, but...
01:39:21
Jordan
and ah In a way where when she's not trying to be, it's funny.
01:39:24
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Unintentionally.
01:39:24
Jordan
um
01:39:25
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She's very unintentionally funny.
01:39:26
Jordan
Yeah, but the rest of her is gross.
01:39:26
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Um, yeah.
01:39:28
Jordan
um Anyways, yeah, so...
01:39:30
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There's also, it's also going viral that she does not like her boyfriend, which I think is hilarious.
01:39:33
Jordan
Well...
01:39:34
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Which I think is hilarious.
01:39:36
Jordan
Last thing on this, because we're running super long...
01:39:37
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But the other thing, yes, the other thing to come out of this, uh,
01:39:43
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I'm going to do my best to keep this short. So they had a CBA meeting before, prior to all the festivities, one of the first things they did was have a CBA meeting. It was one of the highest attended CBA meetings by active players in the history of the WNBA. I think they had, they said they had to bring in more chairs for everybody to have somewhere to sit.
01:39:59
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um A lot of the attitudes that came out of that meeting was that it was a waste of time, that it didn't really get anything, a lot of things accomplished. Stuart was very honest to say, like most of the time was spent during doing introductions, like they didn't even really like fully get deep into actual conversations. Nneka had made some comments about it. Angel basically said that she fully plans on getting even more involved with the player so ah Players Association because of the meeting, because of how much is really going on and how much the players really need. Because this is not just about salaries. Salaries is a very, very big part of it, but there are a lot of elements of the CBA that just need to be reworked.
01:40:36
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um And so the the overarching attitude was that the league doesn't want to work with the players. They don't want to work with them. They're offering them things that are in the space of disrespectful. and And there is even a conversation about unrivaled and basically pushing unrivaled out. And um trying to be basically the only ah and and athletes unlimited. They are talking about both AU and unrivaled. And basically the WNBA kind of has this interview, like they feel like they should be the only league in America.
01:41:05
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Um, and so with all that being said, the players decided that prior to the game, um, on Saturday night, they were going to wear shirts that say, pay us what you owe us. Um, shirts made by the WNBA, uh, Players Association, basically sending a message saying like, listen, we're not playing with y'all. And then after the game, during the postgame interviews, Brittany Sykes was walking around in the background with a sign that said, paid pay the players. And so, um, that has started some very ridiculous and stupid discourse about, um,
01:41:34
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people want you to get paid, which I don't have a thought on that. But anyways, I just highly suggest researching what it is that these women are looking for, because one of the main things too is revenue sharing.
01:41:48
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The NBA players get 50% of the revenue that the NBA gets. The WNBA players get 9.3%. And everybody wants to keep about, well, they're not, they're not, they're not profitable. They're not this, they're not that.
01:42:00
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Look at the difference between profit and revenue.
01:42:05
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Okay, and then also, they're making more money now.
01:42:09
Jordan
Yeah.
01:42:09
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Like, they're making more money now. they won't be They won't be in the league that loses money for too much longer.
01:42:14
Jordan
Yeah. I mean, and yeah.
01:42:15
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They're gonna the league making a lot of money. So.
01:42:17
Jordan
i don't I don't exactly know exactly exactly how it's paid out, but just in twenty in the last year, cause I don't remember when exactly was announced, a billion-dollar media rights deal was announced, and then roughly a billion dollars in expansion fees was just announced last month because it was $300,000 each team, and there was three teams.
01:42:32
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and they're about to be a league
01:42:36
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yeah
01:42:37
Jordan
So I don't know if that's a one-time payment or how exactly it works, but that's to Bill right there that they just...
01:42:41
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That's $2 billion. dollars And the league itself is projected to be worth billions within the next couple of years, the league itself, because now we have two, not just one, two teams that are worth half a million dollars.
01:42:47
Jordan
yeah Thank you.
01:42:52
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And then we're about to add all the rest of these teams. They are already building their brands. They're already building the fandom. They're already, the ticket sales are through the roof. This Jersey sales are through the roof. These women are not getting dime for their Jersey sales, their Jersey sales.
01:43:04
Jordan
de And yeah and i don't want to comment on this because we're going be talking about this later. like To be honest, there's no new information that came out from this. And so like I know we are eventually going to get information.
01:43:14
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no
01:43:16
Jordan
i want to talk about it. And we're running long.
01:43:18
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Correct.
01:43:18
Jordan
So I don't have a lot of things to say about this.
01:43:18
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Mm-hmm.
01:43:20
Jordan
But the one thing that I will say is it's easier now to like, it's not going to be easier to get revenue share when they are profitable because they're going to want that money. They're going to see that money and then they're really going to be losing it.
01:43:30
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right
01:43:31
Jordan
You work on these things now. And the last thing I want to say is i unless I'm wrong and I don't think i am, they're not asking for 50%. Like there's, there's so much of this, like,
01:43:42
Jordan
misunderstanding when we compare them to the NBA.
01:43:45
Jordan
And it's like, they're asking for, they're seeing this and they're saying, we want a similar structure, not we want their money.
01:43:46
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They want to be paid as much as the NBA players.
01:43:47
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No, they don't.
01:43:55
Jordan
They're not asking for a $300 million dollars contract. Maybe that happens in 10, 20, 30 years, but like, they're not asking for that. They're just asking to be closer to that because that is a model that exists in a professional sport that is the same as theirs. The only difference is one is men and one is women.
01:44:11
Jordan
So That's all I'm going to say about this because otherwise going to be here forever. Pay them what you owe them. If you don't want them to be paid, something's very, yeah.
01:44:21
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you're misogynistic and weird and you can turn your TV off because we don't fucking need you or your viewership if you don't believe these people need to be paid. This is ridiculous because this is conversation. Somebody has tweeted this and I'm going to stick with it.
01:44:31
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They said you There should not really be too much discourse being had with people who don't believe women should be playing sports in the first place. And there's a lot of people who are trying to enter into this discourse and their wannabe economists who just genuinely believe that women shouldn't even be playing sports, let alone getting paid to do so.
01:44:44
Jordan
Yeah.
01:44:48
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So I'm not having fucking conversations with you idiots.
01:44:48
Jordan
Yeah. Also, yeah.
01:44:50
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At the end of the day, they arere making more they stand to make more money. If the league itself stands to make more money, then the players stand to make more money as well. That is how that goes.
01:44:57
Jordan
also
01:44:58
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Because who the fuck is watching? Nobody's watching Kathy Engelberg.
01:44:59
Jordan
yeah
01:45:01
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We're watching the players play the game.
01:45:01
Jordan
are
01:45:02
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So if they're not, they're the product. They're what's important.
01:45:05
Jordan
yeah
01:45:05
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They're what's drawing people to the league. They deserve to be paid as such. And they've been deserving of it this entire time. But you damn sure think that they're not going to ask for it now when they've quite literally quadrupled quadrupled their values in the last year, in the last two years.
01:45:17
Jordan
In the last couple of years, yeah.
01:45:20
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You must be out your fucking mind if you think they're not going to ask for their fair share.
01:45:22
Jordan
a Especially because they've, yeah. And the last thing that I got to say about it is, do you know how lame you sound counting the WNBA's pockets?
01:45:25
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And yeah.
01:45:31
Jordan
Like, you know how lame sound? Well, they're not technically, they're not profitable.
01:45:32
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Do you know how much energy is required to do that?
01:45:35
Jordan
Like, I mean, why if you look at their their most recent tax statements, their return on investment, like, shut up. Nobody cares about that.
01:45:42
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Like, shut up. And also, again, none of y'all are economists.
01:45:45
Jordan
and
01:45:46
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None of y'all are.
01:45:47
Jordan
And also, you only bring that up most of the time when you when you get into detail like that, you bring that up to conceal hate. You know what I'm saying?
01:45:54
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You bring it up as a reason to not pay these people, and that's crazy.
01:45:54
Jordan
like You bring that up, like... Yeah. like you like you no you're not but You're not worried about that at any other time. You're not looking at that.
01:46:02
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Like Apple wasn't profitable initially either.
01:46:02
Jordan
Yeah.
01:46:04
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They still had to pay the people who was putting the microchips in the cell phones. Shut up. Shut up because you sound stupid.
01:46:08
Jordan
What?
01:46:10
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How many businesses were profitable and had all these crazy revenue streams so within their first while they were building? They didn't. But guess the fuck what?
01:46:18
Jordan
are
01:46:18
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Nobody was showing up at the places working for free. Nobody was showing up with this place is working for less than what they deserve. So what are you talking about? You're not talking about nothing for real. You're just talking. So shut up.
01:46:30
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Thank you so much. Somebody was like, yeah, I don't see why the players are doing all of this. This is really up to the Players Association. What do you think WNBA PA stands for?
01:46:39
Jordan
Well, to our last two minute report, because this is about to get real disrespectful. arm
01:46:44
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but Shut up, please.
01:46:45
Jordan
speaking of Speaking of players associations, I was going to do something fun, and then I saw something else that I had to talk about.
NFLPA Leadership Controversies
01:46:52
Jordan
um the the two the So the president of the NFLPA stepped down, and then the current NFLPA so chief strategy officer, who was a previous previous president, stepped down.
01:46:58
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Oh, yes, I saw this.
01:47:05
Jordan
And it's basically the core of it is that they were hiding things. They were agreeing with the NFL. to like hide things. So one of them, let's see, let's see, the Lloyd Howe resigned as executive director on Thursday after weeks of negative headlines surrounding his leadership, including reports um that the findings including reports by ESPN.
01:47:29
Jordan
The findings included the NFLPA reportedly agreeing to a confidentiality agreement with the NFL to hide information about its arbitration decisions. which is not good, as well as concerns about potential conflict of interest because someone that Howe worked with outside of this was trying to become an NFL owner.
01:47:48
Jordan
You're on the side of the players, want to become an NFL owner. um And then there's also other things. Like on July 17th, a second arbitration ruling came to light.
01:47:59
Jordan
This one involving a grievance won by the NFL against NFLPA over fake injuries, the original grievance into the 2023 stemmed from a comment made by Treader, a former union president who suggested players could fake injuries as a contract negotiation tactic.
01:48:15
Jordan
um
01:48:16
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um Um, what?
01:48:17
Jordan
So basically they were bad at their jobs. They were hiding things from the players and they were and in sort of a way doing the NFL bidding. I don't care about none of that.
01:48:28
Jordan
All of that is bad. I'm sorry. I know that I'd be doing stupid things. Lloyd Howe, one of the things that got him fired, he was making $4 million. dollars One of the things that got him fired is he went and took two people to Magic City, a strip club in Atlanta, and he charged his expenses on the on the account of the NFLPA.
01:48:54
Jordan
Okay? Here's my issue with this. He charged $2,700. $2,700.
01:49:03
Jordan
He made $4 million. He charged $2,700 for three people at Magic City. All you gave them was $2,700? You using someone else's money? I know this is the wrong lesson, but you're using someone else's money and you stocked at $2,700 for three people?
01:49:21
Jordan
You wasn't even in there making it rain. like You were just in there being stingy. And you make $4 million. dollars You could have paid $2,700 by himself. If you're going to be fired...
01:49:32
Jordan
For using the company money at a strip club, you should be spending bands. you got You lost a $4 million dollars job because you wanted to be stingy in a strip club.
01:49:43
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Yes.
01:49:44
Jordan
That's insane me. I'm sorry.
01:49:45
Jordan
i if if If it wasn't my money, I'm not, and it's three people. I'm not, and I understand some people are like $2,700. That's a lot of money. understand that this is ah a dumb rant, but you make $4 million.
01:49:45
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and On the serious as ill.
01:49:57
Jordan
dollars You're using a company card at a strip club and you spent $2,700.
01:50:03
Jordan
I went to magic for my, for my bachelor's party. I spent more than 2,700. It cost more than $2,700 to get the section. And then I took spending money. You make $4 million. You lost your job by being stingy.
01:50:19
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yes
01:50:23
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i'm screaming at this um i hate that i have to end the show on this note but i also feel like it is very important that i put this on my platform um because there's some weird shit going on but i found out this morning that somebody has been taking my content from my
01:50:38
Jordan
All right.
Content Theft on TikTok
01:50:42
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TikTok page and using it for engagement farming. And their follower count is growing by the minute actually. um They are going viral with my content.
01:50:54
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um It's unfortunate because it's content that I made years ago, but basically to give you guys some context, I worked at Crumble Cookie for like, I don't even know, maybe like six months of my life, not a very, very long time.
01:51:06
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And I started making vlogs and posting them on TikTok because I noticed that there is a, there was a gap in content about working at Crumble. I found out later it's because Crumble employees are not allowed to make content.
01:51:18
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Um, and so I was one of the only people who actually posted about it because it's, it's, it was a code of conduct thing that I was not aware of at the time. Once I found out it was not, not, you couldn't do it, then I, then I stopped doing it.
01:51:29
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But, um, this person went deep into my archives on my TikTok page and downloaded my vlogs from working at crumble and have been posting small like four to six second clips from the vlogs and claiming that they worked at crumble for four years and that they are being deported by ice and they have this long ass cockamamie story about how they are being deported and that this is this is happening to them. They're getting sent back to Mexico. It's all sc Crumble's fault and that they have this tea on Crumble that they're going to drop online.
01:52:00
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A lot of people have been in their comments asking them to do a story time. I can't wait to see how they do that because they're using my videos in my face.
01:52:10
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So I would just love... if this account could be reported because TikTok has also claimed that that account is not doing anything wrong, even though it's very obvious that they are using my content.
01:52:23
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And so now I have to go to battle with TikTok about this. but They have a video that has reached a million views and if you guys know anything about what monetizing on TikTok means, that means that they're at a point where they will probably be able to cut a check using my name, image, and likeness. Oh my gosh, wow. Not my name, but my image and my likeness.
01:52:40
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um So yeah, I'm just a little pissed off because if somebody gets cut a check using my content, that's go be a problem.
01:52:51
Jordan
Yep, I hate that that's happening for you.
01:52:52
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So.
01:52:54
Jordan
um i have, I spam on all the videos. I reported all the videos. So hopefully TikTok does its job.
Episode Reflections & Closing Remarks
01:53:03
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And I had somebody just now while we were on the show DM me on Instagram, someone who I have not spoken to, and I don't know how long saying, Hey, there's an account that's pretending to be you. Like they're going so viral. They're hitting the for you pages of people who I haven't spoken to in years.
01:53:18
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They are going that viral because they posted it yesterday or two days ago. And like I said, it already has a million views and it's a lie about being sent back to Mexico. And I'm so sorry. I'm not even trying to be funny.
01:53:36
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i look like I could be an immigrant, but a Mexican one? Like, that don't even seem believable. Like, you could have at least picked like a country that would be believable that I would be from.
01:53:46
Jordan
Yeah, that's insane.
01:53:48
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Anyways. Anyways.
01:53:50
Jordan
Well,
01:53:51
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It's just very, very upsetting, and i really, i and need to talk to to nip this in the bud immediately. This person, I looked at this person's account this morning. They had 1,200 followers. They already have 1,500.
01:54:03
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It's only been three hours. Like, this person is building a following off of my comment.
01:54:05
Jordan
Yeah.
01:54:08
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I don't even have that many followers on TikTok.
01:54:10
Jordan
Yeah, they're probably fake numbers as well. But the moral of the story is don't steal people's content.
01:54:20
Jordan
Don't be cheap at Magic City. And the stud buds are the greatest thing that's happened to the WNBA.
01:54:22
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Oh, wow.
01:54:25
Jordan
We will catch you next week with another preview. I think we're doing the ACC next week. But as always, thanks for listening.
01:54:31
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Something like that guys.
01:54:33
Jordan
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